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May 08 2012

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  • http://moonbattery.com/ Dave Blount

    Has Lao worn out his welcome yet? I asked earlier and the response was mixed so he escaped the ban hammer. But he has become so relentlessly irritating that unless there is a loud outcry on his behalf, this time he will be shown the door, with a shoeprint firmly imprinted on his Canadian behind.

  • http://screwypuppy.blogspot.com Screwy Puppy

    Cake declared illegal in Boston

    Also looking to get rid of whole milk, white bread, banquetes, and door-to-door candy sales.

  • SR

    First the war on oil, then coal and now this………”Sierra Club Declares War on Natural Gas”

    http://www.freeenterprise.com/energy-environment/sierra-club-declares-war-natural-gas

  • SR

    “Turns out that Warren’s great-great-great grandfather was a member of a militia unit which participated in the round-up of the Cherokees in the prelude to the Trail of Tears”

    http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/05/cruel-irony-in-elizabeth-warrens-cherokee-saga/

  • AC

    We’ve already examined socialist parasite Angel Adams once and then twice.

    Let’s check up with another update.

    Now on her sixteenth pregnancy, her and her daughter have been arrested for battering a law enforcement officer after police came to question her son for chucking rocks. Police had to Taser her into compliance. Naturally, she’s claiming excessive force, likely in preparation for some jackpot justice.

  • http://www.liveshot.cc HANOI JOHN KERRY

    BREAKING…
    WASHINGTON TIMES:”New Obama Admin. Rule Allows For Destruction of Selective Service Microfilm.”
    http://www.BirtherReport.com

  • AC
  • http://www.liveshot.cc HANOI JOHN KERRY

    Sheriff Joe Arpaio:”10 Times Worse Than Watergate; Biggest Media Blackout In History.”

    Exhibit#142: The FORGED Selective Service Registration -
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHAM3hRI8_Y

  • lao

    Dave, as I have said many times, it’s your blog and you can do whatever you like.

    I post the truth as I see it and I back it up with links. If people here can’t handle the truth and they respond with lies, profanity and homophobic slurs, that’s their problem, not mine.

    As you well know, I have never reciprocated in the slime fest, nor have I used sock puppets, nor have I name-jacked anyone. The same can’t be said for the regulars now, can it?

    I must confess, there are very few people who post here whose opinions I respect, but there are some. Those people are the ones willing to engage in actual dialogue who are able to prove their points with facts.

    If your political views are worth having there should be no need to use lies to support your side. Needless to say, lies are what I catch, over and over again.

    You might notice that I tend to stick to one or two threads. I absolutely can’t be bothered with most of them so, in theory, the regulars are free of my “irritation” in most of the submissions you offer here.

    Now, if you wanted to suggest guidelines for what’s appropriate and what isn’t, I’d likely abide by those. If I couldn’t, I’d explain why and leave, as opposed to flaunting the guidelines to get the boot. I noted your earlier commentary regarding the inappropriate use of the N….. word. Sounded reasonable to me.

    Is “relentlessly irritating” a recognition that I’ve caught you in partisan hackery far too many times? Maybe, or maybe it’s a style issue. It is rude to laugh in people’s faces I must admit. Unfortunately, I don’t suffer fools gladly and I’m sure even you recognize there are a significant number of very large fools who post here often.

    When bobby was whining earlier about banning me because I’m “annoying” I asked the following, regarding his own behavior of course:

    Is repeatedly falsely accusing someone of “homosexual pedophelia” (sic) a banning offense?

    Apparently not.

    Is that kind of deliberate slime “relentlessly irritating”?

    If I’m banned, I’ll have a good laugh. I’ll be gone and I won’t bother pulling a Gunther. The web is full of far right blogs I can post on and I promise you, I will post there as lao.

    If banned, maybe I’ll write up an extensive blog posting, detailing the fun I’ve had here. I’ve said all along that I come here for the laughs, and believe me, I get lots of those.

    I’d regard getting banned from moonbattery as an affirmation, not a defeat.

    Enjoy the vote.

  • AC

    Why do we arm ourselves?

    The world is overrun with violent felons.

    No area is safe. These millionaires were raped and stabbed to death in front of their children in a luxury beachfront home

    They’re reckless. A gang of three felons opened fire in a bowling alley during a robbery

    They’re stupid. This teenage felon (who, if he had a brother, might look like Trayvon) walked into a police station, pretended to have a gun, and announced a holdup to the dispatcher

  • AC

    I don’t have a problem with lao’s presence. Our conservative positions are strong enough to overcome liberal objections.

    We don’t have to hide from controversy because we’re right.

    The teenage morons and disruptive sloganeers are a different matter. They lower the SnR.

  • SR
  • lao

    When the news about the thwarting of the latest underwear bomber came out I was going to link to it, then hesitated. Something was amiss and I couldn’t put my finger on it. The media apparently had the story but they abided by a White House request to hold off on publishing. Now we see why.

    Bomber in Plot on U.S. Airliner Is Said to Be a Double Agent

    The suicide bomber dispatched by the Yemen branch of Al Qaeda last month to blow up a United States-bound airliner was actually an intelligence agent for Saudi Arabia who infiltrated the terrorist group and volunteered for the mission, American and foreign officials said Tuesday.

    In an extraordinary intelligence coup, the double agent left Yemen last month, traveling by way of the United Arab Emirates, and delivered both the innovative bomb designed for his aviation attack and inside information on the group’s leaders, locations, methods and plans to the Central Intelligence Agency, Saudi intelligence and allied foreign intelligence agencies.

    After spending weeks at the center of Al Qaeda’s most dangerous affiliate, the intelligence agent provided critical information that permitted the C.I.A. to direct the drone strike on Sunday that killed Fahd Mohammed Ahmed al-Quso, the group’s external operations director and a suspect in the bombing of the U.S.S. Cole, an American destroyer, in Yemen in 2000.

    Outstanding work!

  • Bath House Barry

    lao says: May 8, 2012 at 9:44 pm- “…Is repeatedly falsely accusing someone of “homosexual pedophelia” (sic) a banning offense? Apparently not. Is that kind of deliberate slime “relentlessly irritating”?…”

    Word. It is to me. I know fo’ a fact dat Lao ain’t into kiddies. He only gets his freak on wif well toned, incredibly sexy, ebony love preznidents in their early 50′s. There ain’t no chirrens around when we do the rump rumba, dog. Woof.

  • RKae

    Dave:

    Please send lao into outer darkness. He’s not just irritating, he’s predictable; utterly no surprises left in him.

  • SR

    Inmate gets over 40 percent of primary vote. Barack Obama was not the only Democrat on the ballot in West Virginia……Ouch!

    http://news.yahoo.com/federal-inmate-keith-judd-receiving-sizable-percent-vote-031637339–abc-news-politics.html

  • Festivus

    Tough call, Dave.

    I, for one, respect your patience with his relentless insults, misplaced indignation and downright nauseating sanctimony. He is one of the most obnoxious self-absorbed narcissists I’ve ever come across.

    Now he’s squirming and deflecting in an attempt to provide some cover for his misdeeds.

    Lao is either an operative or an operative wannabe. He’s not your garden-variety liberal seeking an honest exchange of ideas. Far from it.

    He’s here to propagandize for the most part, a la Gunther, but with more imagination. Just notice how he often directs his posts to a third person. Then there’s also that creepy cataloguing of threads and posts (no doubt key-worded and cross-referenced).

    As I’ve pointed out before, he also tries to co-opt Open Threads for his own purposes, linking opinion pieces that have little if anything to do with conservatism, are not on point with prevailing discussions, and are unsolicited in any way. Out of “left” field you might say.

    On the other hand, it’s amusing to see him squirm and get smacked down repeatedly. But even that goes to show he’s something of a relentless parroting crusader. If he’s not an operative, there’s simply something wrong with him.

    If you, or anyone else here, thought Gunther was worthy of banning, then I’d say that there is very little reason to regard lao, the Crosshairs Boy, any differently.

  • Festivus

    On a different note, how did liberal expectations fare in today’s elections?

    Luger lost big to a Tea Party-backed candidate.

    Gay marriage went down in flames in North Carolina (almost 2 to 1).

    Walker, in a relatively uncontested primary, had a surprising strong show of support in Wisconsin nearly getting as many votes as the two Democrats combined.

  • http://screwypuppy.blogspot.com Screwy Puppy

    LA to ban plastic bags.

    This means a factory that makes these bags will have to layoff workers.

    Bureaucrats say that those against the ban are standing in the way of progress. Claims those against the ban would want to ban cars 100 years ago because they don’t want progress.

    WTF?

  • TonyD95B

    I pretty much agree with Festivus at May 8, 2012 at 10:26pm…..and he’s right about everything, icluding that this is a tough call.

    lao is irritating and utterly predictable, and he seeks to contort everything to force-fit it into his Leftist agenda. The cataloging thing is downright creepy, too.

    Not sure that banning him is the thing to do, though. Unlike Goonter, DorkEric, etc., Loud Angry Obfuscator is at least marginally sane….or as sane as a brain-addled Loopy Loony Lemming-Like Leftist can actually be.

    I vote to let him stay. “Our Side” doesn’t ban dissent, and our side is strong enough to overcome the sort of nonsense.

    I say lao speaks for himself. If he wants to keep coming out here and making a fool of himself day after day, let him.

    After all, he may be an a##hole, but he’s OUR a##hole, D#mn it!

    All kidding aside, if we ban lao, who will be next? Go down that path and before you know it, “we” will turn into “them”.

  • Sam Adams

    lao says:
    May 8, 2012 at 9:44 pm

    Dave, as I have said many times, it’s your blog and you can do whatever you like.

    I post the truth as I see it and I back it up with links. If people here can’t handle the truth and they respond with lies, profanity and homophobic slurs, that’s their problem, not mine.

    As you well know, I have never reciprocated in the slime fest, nor have I used sock puppets, nor have I name-jacked anyone. The same can’t be said for the regulars now, can it?
    ________

    The problem is, Lao, that you don’t engage in an honest debate (not surprising; few on the left do. I’ve asked you many questions which you simply ignore, yet expect others to read/respond to your postings.
    _______________

    Those people are the ones willing to engage in actual dialogue who are able to prove their points with facts.

    ______________

    That is what I wish we could expect from you.

    ______________

    If your political views are worth having there should be no need to use lies to support your side. Needless to say, lies are what I catch, over and over again.
    +++++++If your political views are worth having there should be no need to use lies to support your side. Needless to say, lies are what I catch, over and over again.If your political views are worth having there should be no need to use lies to support your side. Needless to say, lies are what I catch, over and over again.If your political views are worth having there should be no need to use lies to support your side. Needless to say, lies are what I catch, over and over again.

    ____________

    Back at you, buddy. It is like when you took issue with the Cleveland Terrorists being tied to Occupy Cleveland; you posted all sorts of ridiculous statements to try and prove that there was no relationship between the terrorists and the Occupy folks. When the link was undeniably established, where was your retraction of your ridiculous statements earlier.

    You post articles that supposedly put conservatives or folks you might assume are associated with conservatives in a bad light…..like the survivalist who killed his family, or the neo-NAZI running for office. Yet when the facts come out, and they aren’t as you have implied, where’s all the truthful dialogue?
    _________

    Is “relentlessly irritating” a recognition that I’ve caught you in partisan hackery far too many times?
    _______________

    Partisa hackery? Lao be thy name. You probably think of Moonbattery as being a far right site. In fact, Moonbattery is less of a far right site, and more of a site that simply points out the idiocy of the left, particularly with regards to the President and his administration.

    Obama isn’t like democrats of the past. The guy is a dedicated Marxist. If you continue to carry water for him, the only reason that you do so is because you must be a Marxist, too. JFK, for example, would have locked up a guy like Obama. So would Harry Truman.

    The current administration is in no way “liberal.” They are folks bent upon imposing their will upon the American public, turning us away from being the world’s remaining superpower, and into another England or France.

  • Sam Adams

    After all, he may be an a##hole, but he’s OUR a##hole, D#mn it!
    ________

    Another Marxist will come along to fill whatever void is left. I’m waiting to see if Lao can try to be a bit reasonable. An honest poster is willing to engage in actual give and take with others.

  • http://screwypuppy.blogspot.com Screwy Puppy

    In case you missed it, the White House was promoting the hash tag #CongressToDoList, but as usual there was some hijacking of it.

    There was also a counter to this with #ObamaToDoList where I redid the sticky note theme with these sticky notes.

    And I couldn’t let Biden feel left out so he got a to do list from Obama.

  • AlphaMail

    Re: lao

    I grew up in Portland, Oregon and the heading on the editorial page of the newspaper for decades was a quote from Voltaire stating, “I may disagree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”

    I was Army Airborne, L.A.P.D., and worked on three top secret Air Force bases, in my service to preserve the basic rights of individual Americans. I did that for a lot of dumb-ass people, but that’s part of the program.

    Americans – even Canadians like lao – have the right to express their points of view without retribution.

    However, there are exceptions – in public demonstrations there should be no violence, no destruction of property, and no anarchy. On a blog, there should no hypocrisy, no lies, and no arrogance in the furtherance of opinions. A little personal slander is OK because it’s generally taken as non-personal and it gratifies our inner Mike Tyson.

    I have no argument with lao and hypocrisy – he actually believes the crap he believes. Nor do I have an argument with his honesty – three different people at the scene of a crime can give you three different accounts. As we all know lao doesn’t see things correctly, he’s just giving a noxious liberal point of view.

    That aside, what bothers me about lao is his arrogance. His constant Bwah-ha-ha-ha’s degrade the site as well as the bloggers and it appears he’s laughing down at others – a vile attribute. Also, he refers to this site’s generous webmaster as “blunt” – a nasty habit likened to “biting the hand that feeds you.” If that’s not arrogance what is? And, he continuously degrades the intellectual bandwidth of the bloggers and seldom if ever apologizes – a truly unhealthy and obscenely grating anathema.

    For instance, at 9:44 pm he stated, “there are few people who post here whose opinions I respect…,” and, “if people here can’t handle the truth…..that’s their problem…,” and, “there are a significant number of very large fools who post here often…”

    When people come to this site to voice their opinion, you sense they are mirroring their approach to people in their own personal world. Does anyone do this in their personal lives – constantly degrade those around them in whose sphere they communicate? Who would want a person like this around?

    Having said that, lao himself knows he’s getting away with overstepping his bounds or he wouldn’t have mentioned guidelines.

    I’m for keeping lao on this site…but, only if he gives Dave the basic respect he deserves – lao is a pain in the ass and Dave asked everyone for their opinion on lao, how fair is that?

    I’m a conservative – I’m not hot for more regulations or guidelines, so I’d ask lao to tone it down on his own, he’s certainly bright enough to make all his points without all the haughtiness and unnecessary condescension – it’s unseemly and is beneath the dignity of an intelligent person, let alone a Canuck.

    Now…he should go home, change his diapers, and get ready for tomorrow’s Open Thread.

  • Bob Roberts

    While I have switched from “don’t ban” to “ban”, I would expect that there may be those who would say “keep him around”.

    I don’t know what they might have smoked or how much they might have been drinking before saying that, but the good thing about a ban is it can always be rescinded if, upon further consideration, it is determined it was put in place in haste. Perhaps, at the very least, we need a break?

    I’m not softening – his latest nonsense convinces me there is absolutely NO value in allowing his ilk to post here. Ever.

    However, in direct contradiction of his claims, I know my opinion is just that – my opinion, perhaps not shared by others. Despite his claims I am NOT so egotistical to think that decisions should be made based on what I say or think alone.

    But that’s my point exactly – I’ve perhaps been one of the few who have argued we might want to keep him around.

    He fixed that.

  • Bob Roberts

    TonyD95B says: May 8, 2012 at 10:59 pm
    “Our Side” doesn’t ban dissent, and our side is strong enough to overcome the sort of nonsense.
    ————–
    It’s not a matter of strength. It’s a matter of noise. Of distraction.

    It’s clear to me, and has been for some time, even before some suggested it, that the troll’s purpose here, besides spreading filth and lies, is to distract, obstruct, derail, deny.

    For the longest time I was rather amused by his antics, then I became actively involved in slapping him around, then people started to complain, FOR GOOD REASON, about how that only encouraged him while in fact helping him achieve his apparent goals.

    I agree our side doesn’t muzzle people generally, but I guess the question is have his efforts now crossed a line where he’s really interfering with important discussions?

    My feeling is that answer is now firmly YES.

    I’m not suggesting we ban dissent. I’m suggesting we ban a shrill, lying troll who’s perhaps only gotten one thing right that I can think of at the moment – that the references to his homosexual pedophelia were perhaps a bit over the top.

    There are more than enough places on the web where people like him are given free reign to vomit their vile opinions and, in most of those places, anyone like us who shows up is quickly shown the door. I finally fully agree that we have better things to do than clean up after him here – if he can’t learn to be more honest, to actually give us HIS OPINION, rather than the talking points of the day, to actually have an adult discussion, it’s time he went away, at least for a few months.

    Maybe, after that, he can come back & demonstrate he’s actually learned something & willing to be rational, reasonable and above all, honest?

    Personally, I expect he will never change, never meet even the minimum reasonable requirements to sit at the adult table.

    But it’s not my site, so I leave it to you, Mr. Blount.

  • Bob Roberts

    WOW, is he trying at last to actually fall into line? To be a productive contributor here?

    lao says: May 8, 2012 at 9:53 pm
    ——————————–
    Too little, too late?

    I would have picked a different source. But I suppose the story is the thing, not the source.

  • Bob Roberts

    Reading the troll’s post on May 8, 2012 at 9:44 pm, it appears even the troll votes that he be banned.

  • Bob Roberts

    SR says: May 8, 2012 at 10:24 pm
    —————
    Great story, but your link died.

    Here are some alternates:

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-could-lose-delegate-federal-inmate-west-virginia_644227.html

    Obama Might Lose West Virginia Delegate to Federal Inmate

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2881262/posts

    Obama may lose some WV counties to federal prisoner (West Virginia Democratic Primary May 8)

    http://www.redracinghorses.com/diary/2077/president-obama-to-lose-west-virginia-counties-to-federal-prisoner

    I believe there is a very good chance that the resident of the White House, President Obama, will lose several West Virginia counties to a resident of a prison cell in Texas.

  • Stephan the Original

    lao,

    You have a boring and predictable m.o. and it really is this:

    -avoid issues that form the core of conservatism (one can only assume it is because you know they are correct.)
    -when discussing issues typically ignore the core of the argument to divert to peripheral matters (ie. count number of threads, engage in moral equivocation, etc.)
    -go silent when you’ve been thoroughly defeated, only to reappear smug and self-assured on another thread as if you, and only you, hold the keys to intelligent debate.

    I, for one, love debate where people have a modicum of respect for truth. You have almost without fail shown yourself to be an operative in flagrant disregard to it. You even use meaningless words like ‘homophobic’ as if they actually describe something real.

    Having said all that, stay here for all I care – but unlike some here I do not engage with fools on an ongoing basis, and you, sir, are the very definition of it.

    I mean, that recent attempt to pass off that ludicrous and despicable KKK/child holding candy picture as having nothing to do with Trayvon was beyond parody. Any resemblance you have to sanity is purely coincidental as far as I’m concerned.

    Most of the time I just lurk and read your stuff and guffaw at the naked display of your lonely corrupted brain cell.

  • http://scottthong.wordpress.com/ Scott Thong
  • Kek

    My horn can pierce the sky.

  • Bloodless Coup
  • Doug

    Posted on Drudge:

    Elizabeth Warren’s ancestor actually rounded up Cherokees for the Trail of Tears!

    Enjoy reading and then, when posting here, ask the question, where is Lao now?

  • http://reaganiterepublicanresistance.blogspot.ca Reaganite Republican

    Adios Lao- we’ll long for you like the odd feeling when one’s had a wart burned-off

    Mandatory California Handgun Safe?

  • Momster

    When I first started comeing to Moonbattery I found Lao amusing—wrong—but amusing. Actually the funniest part of reading his postings was that he doesn’t know how funny he is! But over time he has just become boring–like seeing Henny Youngman for the 10th time–you just automatically know what he is going to say next. No surprises, no change of thought—just the same old same old. He has become a waste of space and a waste of wear and tear on the eyeballs.

  • Winston Smith

    Lao, the problem with the administraation “Spiking The Ball” on the successful infiltration of Al-Queda and capture of an unexploded underwear bomb is that now they will be extra careful in checking and testing the people they send into the field. Probably requiring they cut the head off an infidel or something to prove themselves. As well as revealing CIA methods. Now they cannot do that again. It should have been kept quiet and the infiltrators cover maintained even with a mock trial and sentencing so they would believe the guy was just captured and wouldnt be looking for any other infiltrators in the midst so the CIA could try this again. Yes, it was an excellent job by the CIA – but they cant do it again without extreme risk.

  • lao

    Winston, I was not aware the administration “spiked the ball” re the undercover infiltration. I have no more details than that story I linked and I’m not about to condemn the C.I.A. for revealing what they did. Perhaps the agent was already compromised. Perhaps revealing his role solidifies the position of another mole. Perhaps the revelation was deliberate so as to sow paranoia and mistrust within Al Qaeda. When it comes to double agent operations, obviously, what we don’t know is a big part of the story.

  • Bloodless Coup

    The Russians Really Are Coming!

    This is NOT a joke.

    30,000 – 100,000 Russian Troops to Arrive in America Within Next 7 Months

    http://beforeitsnews.com/story/2112/509/CIA_HQ_Insider:_30,000_-_100,000_Russian_Troops_Scheduled_To_Arrive_In_America_Within_The_Next_7_Months.html

  • Winston Smith

    Mao Lao, if you were unaware then you are either lying or stupid or uninformed – possibly all three. The administration released the information.

    The information was revealed by the LA Times – extremely left wing and mouthpiece of the Obama Administration Offcials (unnamed of course). Where else would they have gotten the information from? Of course their mouthpiece press secretary isnt going to say it first. It must first be leaked. The CIA cant stand Obama and would never leak such information.

    Once the information was out they relesed even more details. How nice of them. They care about the PR value of the operation first and foremost.

  • Mickey Shea

    Those nice places to live, you know, the ones you worked
    real hard so you could afford to get away from the black
    undertow and the ghetto rot? Well, the administration is
    working real hard to bring the ghetto to you !
    No place is safe, equal misery and degradation must be shared by all.
    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/editorials/curbing_the_dogs_JIwvFpbGqV3Y4QpsJfVK2H

  • SR
  • StanInTexas

    I for one would vote to NOT ban Lao.

    That being said, the screed he posted at 9:44pm is all the ammunition anyone would need to ban him. It is chocked full of outright lies, quissling half-truths, and the arrogance that is Lao.

    Dave, just be aware that if you were to ban Lao, however you accomplish that feat, HE WILL RETURN. He will have a new name and a slightly different posting style, and he will not reveal himself until weeks or months later. But he will reveal himself, as he is unable to change.

    Again, Lao is useful here. On the rare occasions that he will answers a question put to him, he does more to destory the Liberal position than any of us ever could. Those that cannot tolerate his circular and backwards reasoning, and his “Rules for Thee, but not for ME!” habits should steer clear of him.

  • Sam Adams

    lao says:
    May 9, 2012 at 5:10 am

    Winston, I was not aware the administration “spiked the ball” re the undercover infiltration. I have no more details than that story I linked and I’m not about to condemn the C.I.A. for revealing what they did. Perhaps the agent was already compromised. Perhaps revealing his role solidifies the position of another mole. Perhaps the revelation was deliberate so as to sow paranoia and mistrust within Al Qaeda. When it comes to double agent operations, obviously, what we don’t know is a big part of the story.
    ____________

    Frankly I don’t believe you are being intellectually honest here. Revealing what you know is almost never a good idea. Revealing how you know it is virtually never a good idea.

    Let’s consider a couple of examples. The British Intelligence service in WWII allowed cities to be bombed and innocent people killed rather than reveal (by warning these cities) that they had broken the German code.

    A previous administration that “spiked the ball” by admitting that they could listen in on Osama’s cell phone calls caused Osama to throw away his cell phones and prolong the process of finding Osama by years.

    Look how the left was outraged when the identity of a CIA desk jockey (not an undercover operative) was outed in the process of revealing how her husband came to be sent on a fact finding mission with regards to yellow cake. Outing a CIA operative is a federal crime, and for good reason.

    But today there is no outrage at unnamed sources making all sorts of damaging revelations. What was the advantage of revealing the name of Seal Team 6? And now we have a new double agent revealed. His career in secret intelligence is clearly over. Those who “vetted” him for Al Quida likely are in mortal danger; were there another agent in place associated with this new agent….to suggest that his position would be strengthened by this revelation seems mindless.

  • lao

    It’s certainly interesting to be the topic of conversation. Thanks to those who have offered various critiques. Naturally, I’m going to respond at length…while I still can. LOL!!

    AlphaMail wrote: what bothers me about lao is his arrogance. His constant Bwah-ha-ha-ha’s degrade the site as well as the bloggers and it appears he’s laughing down at others – a vile attribute. Also, he refers to this site’s generous webmaster as “blunt” – a nasty habit likened to “biting the hand that feeds you.” If that’s not arrogance what is?

    I referenced laughing at people myself and acknowledged it was rude. Firstly, you should have no problem observing I am the regular recipient of a vast array of abuse. A sock puppet helpfully showed up as one example. Then there are the utterly profane attacks from flakes like JT or Joek. Profane abuse was heaped on me almost from the beginning of my starting to post here.

    Now I expect that some will respond to that paragraph with a “suck it up you whiner” remark, but, since that’s what I do daily, that complaint is impotent.

    Personal and profane attacks are a common line of defense against any liberal who dares to post here. Most don’t last long and it’s easy to understand why. It’s telling that some have posted that I must be a masochist to stay here in the face of such abuse. Thanks for admitting the purpose of the abuse. For myself, it’s all water off a duck’s back, because I see it as an impotent acknowledgement that the abuser has no facts to back up their opinions. Profanity is the fall back when truth and logic are lacking.

    AlphaM goes on: I’m a conservative – I’m not hot for more regulations or guidelines, so I’d ask lao to tone it down on his own, he’s certainly bright enough to make all his points without all the haughtiness and unnecessary condescension – it’s unseemly and is beneath the dignity of an intelligent person, let alone a Canuck.

    As someone with many Canuck friends, you are correct that their unrelenting politeness is a nice quality. As the joke goes, how do you get 100 Canadians out of a swimming pool? You say: “Could everybody please get out of the pool?”

    As for my own responses, I tend to reciprocate. If someone gives me abuse, they get it back, in my own fashion. If someone appears to be engaging in open debate, they get that in return.

    I should mention that prior to starting posting here, I was a regular on the old FOX forums. I found debate there particularly interesting as there were some very intelligent and well spoken conservatives as regulars. Many, many times I had to stop and engage in some serious research and thinking before I could counter their points. Unfortunately, that quality of discourse is mostly lacking around here. That’s no surprise when you see “sources” like Breitbart, Weasel Zippers and Gateway Pundit being taken seriously and quoted as though they are gospel.

    sammy sez: The problem is, Lao, that you don’t engage in an honest debate

    Y’don’t say!

    sammy goes on: It is like when you took issue with the Cleveland Terrorists being tied to Occupy Cleveland; you posted all sorts of ridiculous statements to try and prove that there was no relationship between the terrorists and the Occupy folks. When the link was undeniably established, where was your retraction of your ridiculous statements earlier.

    We discussed this topic just yesterday in the previous open thread.

    Here’s the original thread: Occupy Wall Street Turns To Terrorism

    Here are my ONLY comments on that topic:

    lao says: May 1, 2012 at 11:54 am
    Good work by the FBi in busting these “anarchists”. I see blunt is trying to imply there are direct connections between these idiots and Democrats, unions, O.W.S. and even Obama. Standard far right procedure as usual.

    lao says: May 1, 2012 at 12:51 pm
    Statement Released: “Occupy Cleveland is shocked by these allegations. We continue to be committed to creating social change through non-violence.”

    Those two statements are the basis for your claim: you posted all sorts of ridiculous statements to try and prove that there was no relationship between the terrorists and the Occupy folks.

    That statement is obviously completely false. So sammy, who is failing to engage in an honest debate?

    Festivus has a problem with: that creepy cataloguing of threads and posts (no doubt key-worded and cross-referenced).

    Here’s what I do. In an e-mail document I make a list. In any thread I contribute to, I put down the thread title, the URL and a cut and paste of my own post including date and time. As I go, I add brief topic titles in the subject line. That’s it.

    Why do this? Because over and over and over, people here jump in their time machines to claim I said things that I didn’t. See the above example from sammy, and notice that he couldn’t recount what I clearly posted yesterday morning!

    Festivus called me “crosshairs boy”.

    I suspect pretty much everyone here believes that I blame Sarah Palin for the Loughner shootings because of her crosshairs map.

    My little archive allows me to go back and post this:

    J. your silly arrogance fails to note that the spin came from Free Republic and Van Helsing who coined the headline “Surveyor Symbols Versus Targets”.
    I have not “blamed” anyone, simply pointed out the the right and Moonbattery, is engaging in spin about that map that Sarah Palin’s own tweet proves is absurd.
    I’m quite sure lots more information will be forthcoming about the killer and, unlike your side, which has been frantically trying to concoct excuses, deflect attention, or pin blame, I will wait for that information to be revealed.
    Posted by: lao at January 9, 2011 1:33 PM

    I’ll close by noting that my position, in waiting for evidence to be revealed in the Loughner case was exactly the same as the stance I took re the Trayvon Martin case.

  • whotothewhat

    News from Uzbritanastan

    Rochdale grooming trial: Police accused of failing to investigate paedophile gang for fear of appearing racist.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9253250/Rochdale-grooming-trial-Police-accused-of-failing-to-investigate-paedophile-gang-for-fear-of-appearing-racist.html

  • FrankW

    IMHO (and admittedly near-worthless), lao is an irritant, sure, but he does stay within the rules. And he is sort of entertaining. If he were banned I would have admit it was a waste of money to have invested in screen cleaner (due to rapidly expelled beverages) and a trash can next to the desk.
    And besides if lao is banned that would make him a martyr (at least in his mind). Besides we would have to train a new whipping post.

  • dan

    Dave …I love this Blog and come to learn , commiserate
    and have a chuckle. I find myself flinching at LAO and beginning to avoid … he trolls away from the topic at hand as did Erik and Gunther, distracting and provoking … I could live without the aggravation of another moonbat-narcissist …too bad you can’t just govern him to a line or two.

  • lao

    Sorry Winston, I see no instance that the administration “spiked the football” on the double agent story. Perhaps you could link something to back that up.

    Before the double agent story broke FOX reported: The AP said it learned about the thwarted plot last week but agreed to White House and CIA requests not to publish it immediately because the sensitive intelligence operation was still under way. Once officials said those concerns were allayed, the AP decided to disclose the plot Monday despite requests from the Obama administration to wait for an official announcement Tuesday.

    Again, prior to the double agent story, the Chicago Sun Times said: White House spokeswoman Caitlin Hayden said President Barack Obama learned about the plot in April and was assured the device posed no threat to the public.

    “The president thanks all intelligence and counterterrorism professionals involved for their outstanding work and for serving with the extraordinary skill and commitment that their enormous responsibilities demand,” Hayden said.

    Is that “spiking the football”??

  • Festivus

    lao says: May 9, 2012 at 6:26 am

    That is a good example of your fundamental dishonesty right there. You know damn well that you spent fully one month sprinkling just about any thread you could with references to crosshairs, Palin and right wing incitement to violence (a ridiculously stupid recurring theme of yours), right out of the DNC playbook. It was pathetic.

    Your little impotent disclaimers doesn’t absolve you of your actions (i.e., posts). You went far beyond objecting to the term, “surveyor’s symbols,” and you know it (and, no, I’m not going to rehash that whole thing).

    Exculpatory clauses and disclaimers don’t prevent people from going to jail, nor from being found liable for damages. The prisons are full of people who say they didn’t do it.

    It’s like citing a 2008 Obama campaign speech to prove he doesn’t share views with Derrick Bell or quoting someone from Occupy Cleveland as condemning the five bombers after the fact. It’s self-serving bullshit in an effort to cover one’s ass in light of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

    It’s a small thing, I know, but the recent example of the OSU speech and the venue’s capacity is another good example of your fundamental dishonesty. I will give you a pass on the first post because maybe you weren’t aware of the facts, but after being called out on this incorrect information, you continued to post it repeatedly afterward. What does that say for the self-proclaimed truth-teller? And you talk about hackery.

    Seriously, if you can’t come clean on something as simple as that, what business do you have asserting anything exculpatory in your defense? It falls on deaf ears as far as I’m concerned.

  • StanInTexas

    Festivus, just the other day, Lao was screeching about Blount and Sam cherry-picking quotes. He then started talking about Obama’s reaction to the killing of bin Laden and cherry-picked two paragraphs out of a 20+ paragraph speech and implied that it was Obama’s entire statement. When it was pointed out to him that he had done himself what he rtoutinely accuses others of doing, he lashed out at me and everyone else for cherry-picking. Proving once again that Lao is all about “Rules for Thee, but not for Me!”

    But I still feel that the kind of exhanges we have with Lao are educational to the casual readers and show the type of duplicity and hypocricy they can expect when entering a political debate with ANY Liberal!

    So Lao does have his uses!

  • Ghost of FA Hayek

    The most peculiar thing I notice about Lao is that he seems to be loyal to the White house narrative.
    And even by his own admission, has a narrow range of topics
    Small wonder
    Here is Media Matters, outraged that Dana Loesch said Progressive Women Suffer From “Fake Leg Syndrome.” They Can’t Get Up And Buy Birth Control
    http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201205080007
    The Daily Kooks have a post up still trying to reignite the failed war on women strategy by arguing they still have the single women vote ( but ignoring loosing married women by the trainload)
    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/put-ring-obama-wins-women-married-types/story?id=16057761#.T6pVbdVXKM8

    The Puffington host has a barn burner at the top of the page crying crocodile tears for Dick Lugar

    Lao tries to post that stuff here, and he gets eaten alive
    He posts on the economy, and is steamrolled with numbers, charts, and graphs
    Lao has merely become the bankrupt, hollowed out, dis proven and disgraced reflection of his chosen ideology (which he would deny as he is playacting the wind)
    Lao
    My archive includes little gems like this
    lao says:
    February 9, 2012 at 9:24 am
    Jowls quivering, and spittle flying, stanwee sez: And if you want “kids to enjoy sex”, then your (sic) are a pathetic pedophile.
    Whatever age someone is when they become sexually active, they have the human right to enjoy it.

    http://moonbattery.com/?p=7855#comments
    Unfortunately, that quality of discourse is mostly lacking around here. That’s no surprise when you see “sources” like Breitbart, Weasel Zippers and Gateway Pundit being taken seriously and quoted as though they are gospel.
    Lao
    Yes, we understand it isn’t news until it’s been through the deep fryers of Media Matters, seasoned lightly for taste by the alphabet soup networks
    BTW the source for that last post I linked was the UK Telegraph

  • wingmann

    I’m for keeping lao…he Is not NEAR as bad as eric or goonter.
    There is no need for an echo chamber here.

    For some strange reason I feel there is a twinkle of hope in lao,for the simple fact that if he stays around here long enough that maybe constitutional conservative values will one day compute with him.
    What does irritate me is that I have some canadian coming here bashing my country…that kinda pisses me off but still,he is no eric or goonter.
    So I vote yea to keep.If people can’t handle the”lao”stop engaging him in conversation.Even the lao would get tired of talking to the wall sooner or later.

  • lao

    Re festus @7:22: You know damn well that you spent fully one month sprinkling just about any thread you could with references to crosshairs, Palin and right wing incitement to violence (a ridiculously stupid recurring theme of yours), right out of the DNC playbook. It was pathetic.

    I know damn well I did nothing of the sort.

    The post I quoted, which was my second on the topic of the Loughner killings, referenced the moonbattery spin of the time, that the symbols were not crosshairs but were “surveyor symbols”. Van Helsing devoted two separate threads to that fantasy.

    That claim was a hilariously inept effort at distraction and dealing with that spin, among many others, was the focus of my comments.

    Scroll back to January 2011 and see how many threads were devoted to the topic. I simply responded and faced continued strawman attacks for doing so, similar to your claims quoted above.

    Again, from the archives:

    I have not said the map had anything to do with motivating the shootings. I have focused on the Palin camp’s RESPONSE to the shootings re that map.

    Palin and her camp made a choice. Their choice was, after the shootings, disappear the map from Palin’s website and, despite much condemnation, including from Giffords herself, when the map was released, NOW claim that the crosshairs were actually “surveyor’s symbols”.

    That response says a great deal about Palin.
    Posted by: lao at January 11, 2011 4:05 PM

    Moonbattery’s absurd “surveyor symbol” spin went on and on even in the face of this reality:

    Poor Van Helsing, STILL whining about “surveyor symbols”. He has failed to realize that both Sean Hannity and Sarah Palin have spun their bus tires over him.

    HANNITY: A lot of these initial stories, Governor, had to do with this map that your PAC had put up during the last campaign, and the fact that Congresswoman Giffords was one of the people on, quote, “the target list,” in the crosshairs that were there. What could you tell us about this map? And I’ll get into more questions after that?

    PALIN: …the graphic that we used was crosshairs targeting the different districts.
    Posted by: lao at January 18, 2011 10:00 AM

    festus sez: …the recent example of the OSU speech and the venue’s capacity is another good example of your fundamental dishonesty.

    As for the Obama rally in Ohio, the thread opened with this comment: The Moonbat Messiah officially launched his reelection campaign at a largely empty arena in Columbus yesterday.

    “largely empty” was a link to Breitbart where the headline was: “Obama Launches Campaign in Empty Arena”. As I pointed out in discussion, the photo on the Breitbart page was the same one that was used in a multitude of right wing blogs to parrot the exact same line.

    Dictionary definition of “largely” = “to a great extent, on the whole, mostly, mainly”.

    Please don’t try to claim you are on the side of honesty when the photos and videos I linked demonstrated quite clearly that “largely empty” was total hyperbole.

  • TrickleUpPolitics
  • TrickleUpPolitics

    I vote to ban lao. He is BORING!!!! He hijacks the conversation and he does not engage in honest debate, and the fact that he makes himself the center of the discussion ensures that it is BORING. The worst sin of a blog: to be BORING. So what if we get another troll? Maybe he’ll be boring in a totally different way.

    I used to come to this site quite often and enjoy debating with other posters. But since lao has monopolized the site, as soon as I see his name and the others feeding the troll, I’m outta here. It makes me sad, because I so enjoyed this site.

  • AC
  • SR

    I’m with TUP (Well said). Time to drop the hammer.

  • hiram

    Chalk another one up to the good guys…

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/police-korean-war-vet-84-shoots-wounds-intruder-with-his-old-service-weapon-in-pa/2012/05/09/gIQAZxKbCU_story.html

    Oh, and lao is an overly-annoying, condescending twit who has become predictable and boring. Still, he’s a prime example of what leftism does to one’s mind. Kinda like France. Every moral compass needs a butt-end pointing the other way.

    I’m on the fence. He distracts from any real conversation, smirks like a toddler on the pot when he thinks he has a “gotcha”, then clams up once it’s shown he’s wrong… Mostly, it’s his arrogance that ticks me off; that and his scuttling of some threads with digressions into tu-coque arguments about things said in other threads about… sigh. Irritating in the extreme.

    At the same time, he hasn’t been a total caricature like Gunther or an outright douchebag like Draven or Fez.

    Tough call.

  • SR
  • http://screwypuppy.blogspot.com Screwy Puppy
  • SR
  • http://14 Cameraman

    Time to send the Canuck to the Showers! I enjoy his mixup with Stan In Texas, and his Liberal Pretzel Logic, but I get tired of Scrolling through, 80% of the Open thread. to get the News, time to go Back to the Cabin in the woods Hoser!

  • Festivus

    lao says: May 9, 2012 at 8:21 am

    And you just dodged the point I made about OSU (diversion) and you continue to perpetuate the deception relative to the map (which had nothing whatsoever to do with the Loughner/Giffords incident).

    The symbols threads were in direct response to the leftist MSM full court press attempts to make a link where none existed (a lie, if you will). It simply doesn’t matter what the symbols were but going on about them ad nauseum for a month is what I called a psy-ops effort to subliminally suggest falsely to the casual reader that there was indeed a cause-and-effect.

    But that is all part and parcel of what I’ve come to call the leftist “Deformation.” Which is to say, if one believes or perceives something is true, then it must be so regardless of all facts to the contrary. She felt targeted beforehand (which, of course, she was figuratively targeted in a political sense – a ubiquitous age-old metaphor used by both sides), then she was shot. Throw in a dash of Palin’s guilt as evidenced by the site removing the map (when common decency easily explains this, although another site did not remove it) and the association is a fait accompli. Repeat it as often as possible (including today, no less) and the inference is quite clear despite your protestations to the contrary.

    It is hackery worthy of the most partisan operative blogs. That’s why you own the moniker, Crosshairs Boy.

  • JM

    I am also with TUP. I’ve been lurking here for a long time. Lao is just a condescending pain in the a$$ who takes up too much time and space with his inane drivel. Threads where he posts are boring. It’s past time for Lao to go.

  • Bob Roberts

    wingmann says: May 9, 2012 at 8:05 am
    ———————–
    In truth, in the beginning I had hoped that if the troll hung around long enough he would at least start admitting, occasionally, that the moonbats were wrong.

    Now that he has decisively proved that to be a fool’s hope, even in cases where his own evidence showed it, I’ve changed my vote.

  • StanInTexas

    Hey Lao, since I know you are doing the counting and cross-referencing, what is the vote total so far? It would seem to a casual observer that there are more votes to ban you than to save you?

    As your (possibly) last act on this board, could you give us the total?

  • Bob Roberts

    wingmann says: May 9, 2012 at 8:05 am
    ———–
    And one more thing:

    We have no danger of this becoming an “echo chamber”. That is one of the trolls lies. Among those who are near center or right of it, there is plenty of diversity of views. Just look, for instance, at those who supported Ron Paul, who had a bunch of great ideas, versus those who felt he had fatal flaws as well. We are capable, generally, of having adult discussion about important issues and I’ve found that the troll’s presence does indeed detract significantly from this.

    Plus, consider this – if the troll IS banned, I might post less often myself. I don’t remember if you’re one of those who said I post too much/too verbose, but those who did would likely be happier with me posting less, once he’s gone. Indeed even when I just sat on the sidelines I knew, from watching the trool’s back and forth with others, exactly how they felt when I would start doing it. The troll is such tempting low hanging fruit, but at the same time wading through all those posts with him getting slammed repeatedly then coming back for more did get tedious.

  • Jodie

    Dave,

    I would have voted for banning lao a year ago when he called me a “stupid f*cking fat retarded bitch” (Hey!I am not fat!).

    His only intent is to disrupt this otherwise wonderful site. I say good riddance and the sooner, the better.

  • lao

    festus, I quite clearly quoted: I have not said the map had anything to do with motivating the shootings. I have focused on the Palin camp’s RESPONSE to the shootings re that map.

    You say It simply doesn’t matter what the symbols were… but it was the right that concocted the “surveyor symbol” spin. Was that absurd spin supposed to be ignored?

  • lao

    Jodie, your claim that I made that statement is an absolute lie.

    I have NEVER used profanity on this site.

    If that statement was actually made, then it was a name-jacker.

  • Bob Roberts

    StanInTexas says: May 9, 2012 at 9:31 am
    ————-
    More than that, Blount specifically did say it wasn’t going to be a simple majority that decides it, I believe.

    His words were:

    unless there is a loud outcry on his behalf, this time he will be shown the door, with a shoeprint firmly imprinted on his Canadian behind.

    So do we have anyone willing to present “a loud outrcy on his behalf”?

    There will be a very tiny part of me (until my next bowel movement) that will perhaps miss him once he’s gone due to that inevitable feeling of kinship one gets even with the worst of the worst, because we all do share some bit of similarity in the end.

    But I am now firmly in the camp that the best thing that can be done to improve this website at this moment is clear out the weeds and our troll is the most pernicious of weeds I’ve seen in a long time.

    By that I mean malicious: wicked or meaning to cause harm not causing serious harm: causing great harm, destruction, or death because, despite his constant cacophony of cackling and crowing, his efforts here have been inept and impotent.

    Irritating most of the time, annoying too, but really rather amateur and more of a distraction than anything else.

  • Bob Roberts

    Oh, and before he’s gone, I should probably take back all the times I called him a homosexual pedophile.

    You know I was just needling you, lao. Though your stance on related issues did make me wonder now and again, you are correct that I had no definitive evidence for that conclusion, so I take them all back.

  • lao

    bobby @2:43 am …the troll’s purpose here, besides spreading filth and lies, is to distract, obstruct, derail, deny.

    I challenged you before bobby. QUOTE some of my “spreading filth and lies”.

    Nothing I have ever said matches your repetitive and slimy accusations about “homosexual pedophelia” (sic)

  • Bob Roberts

    Another triumph of Russian technology!


    The Sukhoi Superjet-100 took off from Jakarta’s Halim Perdanakusuma Airport at 2:21 p.m. (0721 GMT).
    It dropped off the radar 21 minutes later near the Salak mountain range, after the crew asked air traffic control for permission to descend from 10,000 feet to 6,000 feet (3,000 meters to 1,800 meters).
    No explanation was given for the sudden change of course. Though drizzling at the time, it was not stormy.
    “I saw a big plane passing just over my house,” Juanda, a villager who lives near the 7,200-foot- (2,200-meter)- mountain, told the local station TVOne.

    In truth, this looks like pilot error – descending to 6,000 feet among peaks around 7,200 feet.

    However, the irony is rather delicious, much the same as a troll who insists a stadium was near-full then posts three videos proving the opposite.

    It’s just sad 50+ people had to die to get to this point.

  • Bob Roberts

    Time for a new poll:

    Obama against the generic innmate!

    Even a man serving time in the pen gets two out of five votes when running against OBAMA!

    Whoever thought this one up really scored big time!


    ‘I voted against Obama,’ said Ronnie Brown, a 43-year-old electrician from Cross Lanes who called himself a conservative Democrat.
    ‘I don’t like him. He didn’t carry the state before and I’m not going to let him carry it again.’
    When asked which presidential candidate he voted for, Brown said: ‘That guy out of Texas.’

    No doubt now we’ll hear about the inbred, nose-pickin’ knuckle draggin’, holler livin’ West Virginians who would vote for a rock if it had a name.

    So what. I’d rather see a rock win the election than Obama.

    Seriously.

  • Bob Roberts

    TOO LITTLE, TOO LATE, AS I SAID

    A potentially serious threat resolved – for now!

    I’m actually with the troll on this one. Hey, even a broken timepiece is right once or twice a day.

    Credit where due, lao got this one right.

    Good job to all involved.

  • lao

    LOL!! Perfect timing bobby.

    Feeling a little nervous that my supposed transgressions don’t come anywhere close to yours?

    Let’s have a recap shall we?

    Check out these threads for a look at bobby’s ongoing slime redundancy:

    moonbattery 1

    moonbattery 2

    moonbattery 3

    moonbattery 4

    moonbattery 5

    Then of course there was this delightful thread which has already been quoted.

    moonbattery 6

  • Bob Roberts

    Have you ever studied the Great Depression?

    U.S. Millionaires Told Go Away as Tax Evasion Rule Looms


    “I don’t open U.S. accounts, period,” said Su Shan Tan, head of private banking at Singapore-based DBS, Southeast Asia’s largest lender, who described regulatory attitudes toward U.S. clients as “Draconian.”

    That’s what some of the world’s largest wealth-management firms are saying ahead of Washington’s implementation of the Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act, known as Fatca, which seeks to prevent tax evasion by Americans with offshore accounts. HSBC Holdings Plc (HSBA), Deutsche Bank AG, Bank of Singapore Ltd. and DBS Group Holdings Ltd. (DBS) all say they have turned away business.

    We really need to get the obamunists, and Democrats in general, OUT OF POWER. The world economy depends on it.

  • Bob Roberts

    lao says: May 9, 2012 at 9:54 am
    ————
    A perfect example of why it’s time to boot the idiot.

    I hand him a going away present and he starts up with his usual nonsense.

    His obsession with my jibes (which I actually picked up from someone else who posted here) suggests that maybe there was something to them after all?

  • wingmann

    Dave,
    I have a size 11 1/2 danner Desert Acadia boot you can use if needed.

  • StanInTexas

    Lao, your post at 9:37 is a good example why people here are tired of your idiocy.

    “I never said that, and if you have a post that shows I did, I’m going to blame it on a threadjacker. So THERE!!!”

    You refuse to accept responsibility for ANYTHING you have said, no matter how often it is pointed out to you as incorrect or a pure lie.

    But this is SOP for you, crthns. You couldn’t admit your mistakes on RWN, and you can’t do it here!

  • Bob Roberts

    Upon this notice I expected the troll to come back with the usual moonbat line that same sex marriage was actually gaining ground and the tide was towards making it universal.

    NC doubles down on same sex marriage ban, adding a Constitutional bar as well.

    Generally when this happens the left comes back with a list of the states, all but one of which had it imposed by rouge courts or legislatures, not properly enacted by the expression of the will of the people as in CA and NC and many more, which now recognize and allow same sex couples to “marry”.

    I suppose the troll is too busy fighting for his existence here to take the time to comment on this issue and even if he were to do so it would be the usual liberal moonbat bull$hit.

    But, just in case he’s capable of engaging in an adult, honest discussion:

    The claims that there is some sort of marriage equality are based on lies. Any person, be they male, female, gay, straight or any other flavor of LGBTQ, provided they meet all the non sex or gender related rules everyone has to follow, may choose a marriage partner of the opposite sex, be they LGBTQ or whatever, as long as their partner also meets all the non sex or gender related rules WE ALL HAVE TO FOLLOW.

    There is not and never has been any inequality on the marriage issue regarding the LGBTQ crowd – they’ve been able to marry following THE SAME RULES WE ALL HAVE TO FOLLOW from the start.

    Discuss, troll.

  • Bob Roberts

    DOH! Of course I meant MARRIAGE INEQUALITY. Now watch the troll go to town with my typo.

  • lao

    bobby, if you had made just ONE slimy remark, I’d be more charitable re your inclination to step back from your remarks. You’ve promoted your swill for half a year.

    I also can’t help but notice that your sudden impulse to apologize follows on my query:

    Is repeatedly falsely accusing someone of “homosexual pedophelia” (sic) a banning offense?

  • hiram

    Ok, I’m off the fence. Keep poking a stick at even the most well-tempered dog, and eventually, he’ll bite.

    Even when half the thread explicitly describes what’s going to get lao banned, he just. can’t. help. it. If I find myself missing his smarmy crap, I can always tune in NPR, eh? Boot him back to Canuckistan.

  • lao

    bobby sez: His obsession with my jibes (which I actually picked up from someone else who posted here) suggests that maybe there was something to them after all?

    Too funny. Now you want to take your apology back. A look through those links will show who had the obsession.

    moonbattery #1 answers who you picked your swill up from.

    Guess who? stanwee.

    moonbattery #6 shows both of you playing tag team swill.

  • Bob Roberts

    Then there’s this:

    Civil unions bill killed along with 30 other bills in late-night game of political chicken

    Read more: Civil unions bill killed along with 30 other bills in late-night game of political chicken – The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_20578893/colorado-civil-unions-bill-passes-last-committee-supporters?source=rss_igoogle#ixzz1uORJz5k0
    Read The Denver Post’s Terms of Use of its content: http://www.denverpost.com/termsofuse

    As repulsive as I personally believe homosexuality is, I still support a person’s right to choose how they want to live and, as long as it’s two consenting adults who are in full control of their faculties, if they want to engage in gender or other confusion, more power to them.

    When CA responded to claims of lack of equality for two consenting adults of the same sex I readily supported the concept of civil unions to resolve the issue.

    But the bigger story here is that moonbat liberals, as u usual, showed their true feelings once again:


    Those in the gallery upset at the bill’s death continued to voice their displeasure. Everyone was kicked out of the gallery after someone yelled, “I hope you (expletive) die!”

    I know it can be frustrating when you don’t get what you want. But, once again, we see it’s the lunatic liberal moonbats who take it to the next level and start talking about murder when they don’t get their way.

  • Bob Roberts

    hiram says: May 9, 2012 at 10:11 am
    —————
    On the nose. I’m doing my best to tell him that he’s right about me going too far and look how he just continues to go too far himself.

    I gave him a chance to redeem himself and he squandered it.

    See my last post about what happened in Colorado… he is a textbook example of that sort of person.

  • lao

    Hiram, who is the dog getting poked here?

    I’m responding.

    But I am curious about one remark of yours.

    What “explicitly describes what’s going to get lao banned” have I missed already addressing?

  • Ghost of FA Hayek

    Lao
    Funny how you should continue to pick that open sore.
    That you can somehow extrapolate guilt from Palin’s interview, even when we know what we do about Loughner
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/us-election/8999318/A-year-since-Gabrielle-Giffords-shooting-Jared-Loughners-fate-is-still-unclear.html
    Meanwhile the New Black Panthers issue a REAL THREAT against a specific individual, with a CASH reward, DEAD OR ALIVE.
    Lao’s response as to Holders inaction on this REAL CRIME ?
    The authorities saw the NBP bounty for what it was. A pathetic desire for cheap publicity from a bunch of marginal extremists.
    If some idiot attacks Zimmermann, they will have acted on their own free will and they, not the NBP, are guilty.
    http://moonbattery.com/?p=10423#comments

  • FrankW
  • StanInTexas

    Lao, in the thread you sited, you claimed that 13-year-old girls were sexual beings, and then repeated that same claim several times. Over the thread, you tried to moderate your tone and explain away what you had said, but you were unable to edit or delete your previous posts, so your meaning was clear to all.

    Your overt approval and demands in favor of homosexuality are based (imNho) on your desire to ALWAYS be for anything a Conservative is against. But your pedophilia has been confirmed by you.

    You think you can both stand up for what you said and at the same time try to tell us you never said it, but the posters on this board are not as stupid as you are to think that works!

    Goodbye, crthns. See you on Disqus.

  • lao

    Ghost – WHAT?

    Where do I “extrapolate guilt”?

    Palin isn’t guilty of anything to do with Loughner’s crimes. I said so from the start.

    The point of citing that Palin interview with Hannity was to demonstrate that both of them referred to “crosshairs” NOT the absurd “surveyor symbols” spin that Van Helsing was still promoting.

    If you want to conflate the Palin map with the NBP bounty then, in the same way “some idiot”, in this case Loughner, acted on his own free will and he, NOT Palin, is guilty. (Presuming that will be the finding when he is tried of course.)

  • Ghost of FA Hayek

    As repulsive as I personally believe homosexuality is, I still support a person’s right to choose how they want to live and, as long as it’s two consenting adults who are in full control of their faculties, if they want to engage in gender or other confusion, more power to them.
    Bob,
    This did not even have to happen.
    I believe the left, and especially the militant gay rights movement are getting their comeuppance here for their efforts in jambing their agenda down peoples throats.

  • lao

    stanwee, that thread has been linked as moonbattery #6. Anyone interested can compare your current lying claims to what was ACTUALLY said, both on my part and on yours.

  • Bob Roberts

    And from the WTF???? file:

    Man Stabbed Friend During Argument Over Who Has The Most Sex, Police Report

    Well, I venture to submit that the man who did the stabbing may wind up having more sex, prison sex, than the other guy, so what, he wins?

    The driver told police that Hill threw a knife away after the incident and stated, “I can’t go down for this.” When questioned by a cop, Hill denied stabbing the victim, claiming “that man stabbed his self.”

    As an aside, note the race of the perp.

    If only MEXICO would enforce THEIR OWN DRACONIAN IMMIGRATION LAWS we would have less call to enforce ours.

    Mexico is getting lax on their own enforcement of their own laws, which are much “worse” than ours with respect to clamping down on illegals. Funny, with laws that are that draconian, that they complain about ours. Pot, meet kettle.


    South Texas is seeing a rise in children from Central America who have slipped across the border unaccompanied into the US from Mexico after that country began deporting fewer kids who arrived without visas, some experts say.
    The influx across the US border is causing a political outcry in the state, where the federal government has set up five temporary shelters to deal with the growing numbers of young immigrants.
    From October to the end of April, the US government has detained more than 6,500 unaccompanied minors who had crossed the border, nearly double the number detained in the comparable period the previous year, according to US officials.
    Most of them come from Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador, countries that are close to Mexico’s southern border, and generally range in age from 14 to 17, though some are younger.

    You know some if not many of those wind up being young girls who are forced into the sex trades. And some young boys headed up to Canada – nomesayin?

    Seriously, I’m tryin’ here, but the trolls intransigence makes it difficult.

    EXTRA!!! EXTRA!!! EXTRA!!! EXTRA!!!

    LABOR UNION WITH OBAMA TIES BANKROLLS OCCUPY!


    A labor union with strong ties to President Obama is helping make the Occupy Wall Street movement a more permanent fixture.

    The Service Employees International Union, one of Obama’s most vocal supporters among labor groups, is paying $4,000 a month for three offices the Occupy protesters will use for at least the next six months to plan future demonstrations, organize and host workshops.

    The offices are at the Institute for Policy Studies, a nonprofit progressive group headquartered at 16th and L streets NW, amid the major law firms, trade groups and lobbying shops that Occupiers have spent the past seven months denouncing.

    Democrats come to their senses.

    Maybe they read my previous post on the matter here?

    UNSAFE IN OBAMA LAND. Former Detroit police chief robbed – while mowing lawn!

    My suggestion for these protesters – GO OCCUPY MEXICO!


    Mexican immigrant groups in the United States threatened Tuesday to boycott telephone companies owned by Mexican mogul Carlos Slim to protest what they say are abusive charges.

    On the contrary, Mr. Slim has provided much needed jobs and capital to Mexico and is a uber-positive force for good in that country.

  • Bob Roberts

    Ghost of FA Hayek says: May 9, 2012 at 10:26 am
    ————-
    Agreed.

  • StanInTexas

    I’ll be happy to quote it here, Lao, and not just cherry-pick as you often do.

    You clearly stated that 13-year-old girls were sexual beings. If you view 13-year-old girls for sex, then you condemn yourself!

  • lao

    The link to that thread is there stanwee. We don’t need your “interpretations”.

  • hiram

    Dear Everybody not lao:

    Ever get the feeling you’re trying to discuss Chaucer with a cabbage?

  • http://twitter.com/TheWrightWingv2 TheWrightWing

    ‘The Life of Julia,’ Corrected:

    We find some bogus assumptions in the Obama campaign’s fable about a fictional woman.

    http://factcheck.org/2012/05/the-life-of-julia-corrected/

  • StanInTexas

    I have no need to “interpret” anything, crthns. Your own words condemn you.

  • StanInTexas

    Hiram, based upon the posts here, this is most likely Lao’s last attempt at posting here (until he changes his name AGAIN and comes back).

    Please allow us to humor the cabbage one last time!

  • hiram

    Stan… like, before we make cole slaw?

  • StanInTexas

    Hiram…

    DURING!

  • lao

    Conservative author Jonah Goldberg drops claim of two Pulitzer nominations

    On the dust jacket of his new book, “The Tyranny of Clichés: How Liberals Cheat in the War of Ideas,” best-selling conservative author and commentator Jonah Goldberg is described as having “twice been nominated for a Pulitzer Prize.”

    In fact, as Goldberg acknowledged on Tuesday, he has never been a Pulitzer nominee, but is merely one of thousands of entrants.

  • hiram

    ah. Extra vinegar in the dressing for me, please.

  • lao

    Florida nabs white supremacists planning “race war”

    Ten alleged members of a white supremacist group training near Orlando and Disney World for a “race war” have been rounded up in a series of arrests in central Florida, authorities said on Tuesday.

    The arrests were based on evidence from a confidential informant who infiltrated the neo-Nazi organization known as the American Front 17 months ago, according to an arrest affidavit.

    “The American Front (AF) is a military-styled, anti-Semitic, white supremacist, skinhead organization and is known as a domestic terrorist organization,” the affidavit said.

    It said the group’s alleged local ringleader, Marcus Faella, 39, had been “planning and preparing the AF for what he believes to be an inevitable race war” and had stated “his intent … to kill Jews, immigrants and other minorities.”

  • StanInTexas

    So Lao, are you interesting in discussing any of the topics you have brought up here, or are you just posting other people’s words and thoughts that you neither support nor defend?

  • Bloodless Coup

    Army Admits Re-Education Camp Manual “Not Intended For Public Release”

    http://www.infowars.com/army-admits-re-education-camp-manual-not-intended-for-public-release/

  • lao

    bobby sez: You know some if not many of those wind up being young girls who are forced into the sex trades. And some young boys headed up to Canada – nomesayin? Seriously, I’m tryin’ here, but the trolls intransigence makes it difficult.

    You just can’t keep a slime merchant down, and look how he makes that my fault. Hilarious.

  • hiram

    Good that they caught the scumbags in Florida… but so what? What relevance does that have to us here?

  • StanInTexas

    Hiram, these are items that Lao occasionally posts that he will not discuss or defend. In fact, if you even try to associate him with the links he posts, he will get very mad at you and make up a juvenile and utterly classless nickname for you.

  • hiram

    Oh, I know. I was just hoping to bait him into admitting that the only reason for posting that was to imply that they were somehow conservatives (when most of these types worship National Socialist leaders). Not that he’d actually admit it.

    If that wasn’t his motivation, what could it be?

  • StanInTexas

    Hiram, never ascribe to malice that which can just as easily be explained by STUPIDITY!

  • Sinister66

    I say dont ban. He is entertaining just as many of the other posters on here are. If I find him and another post battling and it starts to become boring I just scroll past. Same as when Bob Roberts have as whole slew of posts in a row.

    Listening to how others respond to Lao’s posts is also quite entertaining. There is no attempt at anything other than hostility and name calling. What lao has to understand is no matter what point he tries to make He will always be considered wrong and a liar by some of the posters here.

    Then again this is the opinion of a non-idealog

    StanInTexas says:
    “Lao, your post at 9:37 is a good example why people here are tired of your idiocy.

    “I never said that, and if you have a post that shows I did, I’m going to blame it on a threadjacker. So THERE!!!”

    You refuse to accept responsibility for ANYTHING you have said, no matter how often it is pointed out to you as incorrect or a pure lie.”

    There is nothing wrong with asking someone to prove what they are accusing.

  • Reiuxcat

    Dave,

    I was on the fence. Lao is predictable and tedious. He does not add to the this web site at all. I have tried to engage him in honest discussion before on a couple of occasions but was ignored.

    Reading his postings here on this thread just prove the point of his deserved loss of Moonbattery priveledges.

    As a former moderator on another message board, his pattern of behavior would merit banning and your patience is to be commended.

    I vote for the ban hammer.

  • lao

    Unless that person is stanwee…then it’s a complete waste of time.

  • StanInTexas

    Sinister, that was not the point of my post AND YOU KNOW IT.

    Lao has been caught in countless lies, yet he equivocates and explains it away, occasionally with YOUR HELP. He will not admit he is wrong about anything, regardless of the proof given. He even makes excuses BEFORE he is shown to be lying, as in the case you sited!

  • FrankW

    I hereby nominate goldberg for the pulitzer prize. Anybody second? One more and the dust jacket is correct.

  • hiram

    Well, thanks for the story about the kooks in Florida, even if you won’t bother to tell us all what it has to do with us here, lao.

    On a related note:

    http://www.americannaziparty.com/platform/index.php

    Interesting. Turns out they want to nationalize the banks and utilities, seize a lot of corporate assets & land, “go green” by phasing out coal, oil, and nuclear, give out free medical care and generous pensions (and guarantee jobs for all), etc., etc., etc.

    Really sounds like it came straight from one of those evil Tea Party rallies, doesn’t it?

  • StanInTexas

    Lao, I am obviously not a complete waste of time, as you will occasionally respond to me. But never when I ask you a question, only to demand I answer YOUR question.

  • AC

    Imagine that, National Socialists are promoting socialism.

    Let’s take a historical look at the 25-point platform of the National Socialist German Worker’s Party:

    1. We demand the union of all Germany in a Greater Germany on the basis of the right of national self-determination.

    2. We demand equality of rights for the German people in its dealings with other nations, and the revocation of the peace treaties of Versailles and Saint-Germain.

    3. We demand land and territory (colonies) to feed our people and to settle our surplus population.

    4. Only members of the nation may be citizens of the State. Only those of German blood, whatever be their creed, may be members of the nation. Accordingly, no Jew may be a member of the nation.

    5. Non-citizens may live in Germany only as guests and must be subject to laws for aliens.

    6. The right to vote on the State’s government and legislation shall be enjoyed by the citizens of the State alone. We demand therefore that all official appointments, of whatever kind, whether in the Reich, in the states or in the smaller localities, shall be held by none but citizens.

    We oppose the corrupting parliamentary custom of filling posts merely in accordance with party considerations, and without reference to character or abilities.

    7. We demand that the State shall make it its primary duty to provide a livelihood for its citizens. If it should prove impossible to feed the entire population, foreign nationals (non-citizens) must be deported from the Reich.

    8. All non-German immigration must be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans who entered Germany after 2 August 1914 shall be required to leave the Reich forthwith.

    9. All citizens shall have equal rights and duties.

    10. It must be the first duty of every citizen to perform physical or mental work. The activities of the individual must not clash with the general interest, but must proceed within the framework of the community and be for the general good.

    We demand therefore:

    11. The abolition of incomes unearned by work.

    The breaking of the slavery of interest

    12. In view of the enormous sacrifices of life and property demanded of a nation by any war, personal enrichment from war must be regarded as a crime against the nation. We demand therefore the ruthless confiscation of all war profits.

    13. We demand the nationalization of all businesses which have been formed into corporations (trusts).

    14. We demand profit-sharing in large industrial enterprises.

    15. We demand the extensive development of insurance for old age.

    16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a healthy middle class, the immediate communalizing of big department stores, and their lease at a cheap rate to small traders, and that the utmost consideration shall be shown to all small traders in the placing of State and municiple orders.

    17. We demand a land reform suitable to our national requirements, the passing of a law for the expropriation of land for communal purposes without compensation; the abolition of ground rent, and the prohibition of all speculation in land. *

    18. We demand the ruthless prosecution of those whose activities are injurious to the common interest. Common criminals, usurers, profiteers, etc., must be punished with death, whatever their creed or race.

    19. We demand that Roman Law, which serves a materialistic world order, be replaced by a German common law.

    20. The State must consider a thorough reconstruction of our national system of education (with the aim of opening up to every able and hard-working German the possibility of higher education and of thus obtaining advancement). The curricula of all educational establishments must be brought into line with the requirements of practical life. The aim of the school must be to give the pupil, beginning with the first sign of intelligence, a grasp of the nation of the State (through the study of civic affairs). We demand the education of gifted children of poor parents, whatever their class or occupation, at the expense of the State.

    21. The State must ensure that the nation’s health standards are raised by protecting mothers and infants, by prohibiting child labor, by promoting physical strength through legislation providing for compulsory gymnastics and sports, and by the extensive support of clubs engaged in the physical training of youth.

    22. We demand the abolition of the mercenary army and the foundation of a people’s army.

    23. We demand legal warfare on deliberate political mendacity and its dissemination in the press. To facilitate the creation of a German national press we demand:

    (a) that all editors of, and contributors to newspapers appearing in the German language must be members of the nation;
    (b) that no non-German newspapers may appear without the express permission of the State. They must not be printed in the German language;
    (c) that non-Germans shall be prohibited by law from participating financially in or influencing German newspapers, and that the penalty for contravening such a law shall be the suppression of any such newspaper, and the immediate deportation of the non-Germans involved.

    The publishing of papers which are not conducive to the national welfare must be forbidden. We demand the legal prosecution of all those tendencies in art and literature which corrupt our national life, and the suppression of cultural events which violate this demand.

    24. We demand freedom for all religious denominations in the State, provided they do not threaten its existence not offend the moral feelings of the German race.

    The Party, as such, stands for positive Christianity, but does not commit itself to any particular denomination. It combats the Jewish-materialistic spirit within and without us, and is convinced that our nation can achieve permanent health only from within on the basis of the principle: The common interest before self-interest.

    25. To put the whole of this programme into effect, we demand the creation of a strong central state power for the Reich; the unconditional authority of the political central Parliament over the entire Reich and its organizations; and the formation of Corporations based on estate and occupation for the purpose of carrying out the general legislation passed by the Reich in the various German states.

    The leaders of the Party promise to work ruthlessly — if need be to sacrifice their very lives — to translate this programme into action.

    This is completely repugnant to the ideals of conservatism and its belief in individuals, not collectivist coercion or the dehumanizing treatment of pigeonholing people according to ethnicity.

  • wingmann

    Since we can’t run our city correctly,can we please have some donations.
    Check into scaling back some of the waste and fraud and maybe,just maybe,you can find the funds for these things.
    http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/New-Rochelle-Fireworks-Canceled-Budget-Memorial-Day-Thanksgiving-150768045.html

  • AC
  • J
  • hiram

    AC, I once boiled the 25-point platform of the NSDAP down to 21 (omitting the obviously German and/or Anti-semitic ones), changed the wording slightly (not the meaning, just the wording, so to be less obviously German), and wrote it up as a “do you agree” type quiz.

    Most hippies agreed with about 17 of the 21. The look on their faces when I told them who they were just agreeing with was absolutely priceless.

  • J
  • J
  • J
  • SR
  • SR

    J says: May 9, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    Ooops, didn’t see that.

  • Sinister66

    StanInTexas says:

    “You clearly stated that 13-year-old girls were sexual beings. If you view 13-year-old girls for sex, then you condemn yourself!”

    Stating someone is a sexual being doesnt mean you want to have sex with them. It means 13 year olds are having sex.

  • J

    Another Electric Car From Obama-Funded Company Catches Fire…

    http://weaselzippers.us/2012/05/09/another-electric-car-from-obama-funded-company-catches-fire/

  • J

    Cleveland Leftist In Bridge Bomb Plot Caught On Camera In Occupy Documentary Talking About Using Violence To Achieve Their Goals…

    http://weaselzippers.us/2012/05/09/cleveland-leftist-in-bridge-bomb-plot-caught-on-camera-in-occupy-documentary-talking-about-using-violence-to-achieve-their-goals/

  • J

    Indiana Dem Running For Senate Touts Record Of Not Voting For Pelosi As House Speaker Even As Pelosi Travels To State To Help Him Raise Funds…

    http://weaselzippers.us/2012/05/09/ouch-indiana-dem-running-for-senate-touts-record-of-not-voting-for-pelosi-as-house-speaker-even-as-pelosi-travels-to-state-to-help-him-raise-funds/

  • StanInTexas

    Sinister, PLEASE keep defending Lao and his idiotic statements. Just remember this when YOUR credibility is called into question.

    Lao was very clear on what he meant, despite either his OR YOUR spin on the matter!

  • J
  • Bob Roberts

    Potentially a good sign:

    TEXT

    Even on the right some of us here have acknowledged it’s time to clear out the dead wood, time to bring in fresh faces and fresh ideas.

    I cannot say that Lugar is someone I’m familiar with at this point. I haven’t tracked him, though I’ve heard of him.

    Six terms in the Senate, however, is more than enough. We do need term limits. Say no more than 12-14 years combined in House & Senate. That would limit one to no more than three terms in the House, two in the Senate, or one in the Senate plus two in the House (if you go with the 14 option, otherwise the final combination would not be possible if you went with the 12 limit).

    In any case, I do hope Mourdock turns out to be an improvement over Lugar.

    You can bet his opponents will go for a full court press over Mourdock’s oil and banking connections. Here’s hoping he takes it in November.

    Mourdock is endorsed by the Tea Party and is generally seen as a “more authentic” conservative than was Lugar.

    Mourdock rejects calls for “bipartisanship”, and rightfully so as, for about a decade now, they’ve been code for Republicans giving in and giving Democrats everything they request and more. Here’s to a future where Democrats finally move to the center in order to give us true “bipartisanship”, or get left out as they’ve done to Republicans for so long.

    So much for repeated Democrat claims there’s no proof of voter fraud.

    In a new crackdown, Florida officials are investigating the citizenship of thousands of registered voters. CBS4 News has learned 2,000 of those potential non-citizen voters are registered in Miami-Dade County. At least one person on the list has had the opportunity to vote for the past 40 years.

    “These are the people that we have to notify by mail that we have a reason to believe that they’re a non-citizen,” said Christina White, Deputy Supervisor of Elections.

    MOONBAT TRIES TO KILL HUSBAND OVER ELECTION DISPUTE

    Actually, there’s blame that goes both ways here – hard to say exactly what happened and why, but here’s what the brother said:

    “These crazy liberal nuts are always pulling this crap,” said Radle’s brother, Mike Radle, describing himself and his brother as firm supporters of Walker, the subject of the recall.

    Mike Radle said his brother was in stable condition but had suffered serious injuries and was still unconscious Tuesday afternoon.

    “He’ll be in the hospital at least overnight,” he said.

    Reading what was published, assuming these are the true facts, I’m thinking perhaps either no or only minor charges will be filed. There’s blame to go both ways. Certainly the husband should not have done what he did.

    Though the fact she left the scene, even though it was “to report the incident”, is potentially a pretty serious crime. What, she couldn’t call the cops from the scene?

    Some “astroturf”!

    So much for claims they were a flash in the pan.

    I like them. They may just be this country’s salvation.

  • J

    MASSIVE VOTE FRAUD EXPOSÉ SET TO ROCK WASHINGTON

    http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/05/08/AIM-Vote-Fraud-Report

  • Sinister66

    I hope I am as lucky as this dude when Im 51.

    http://www.robarnieanddawn.com/index.php?q=node/5403

  • StanInTexas

    Cleveland Leftist In Bridge Bomb Plot Caught On Camera In Occupy Documentary Talking About Using Violence To Achieve Their Goals.

    Perhaps Lao can rush back on to tell us that these people had no connection to the OWS movement and that the Occupy Cleveland people would N-E-V-E-R condone violence.

  • Bob Roberts
  • Sinister66

    StanInTexas says:

    “Just remember this when YOUR credibility is called into question.”

    With you, Big deal.
    You lost yours a long time ago.

  • StanInTexas

    Sinister, would you like to take a quick poll on here comparing my credibility to yours?

    Yeah, I didn’t thing so!

  • lao

    A guy who has been busted for a terrorist plot, was recorded prior to his arrest advocating violence.

    Are you surprised? I’m not.

    The day they were busted Occupy Cleveland released this statement:

    “Occupy Cleveland is shocked by these allegations. We continue to be committed to creating social change through non-violence.”

  • Bob Roberts

    Sinister66 says: May 9, 2012 at 12:08 pm
    ——————-
    Anyone who thinks a 13 year old is a “sexual being” is a pedophile.

  • J

    NEW BLACK PANTHER LEADER SHABBAZ: WHITES WILL BE ‘VERY, VERY, VERY ANGRY’ IN NOVEMBER…WILL CLING TO ‘THEIR GOD AND THEIR GUNS’ — ‘WE MIGHT HAVE TO, TOO’

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/black-panther-leader-shabbaz-whites-will-be-very-very-very-angry-in-november-will-cling-to-their-god-and-their-guns-we-might-have-to-too/

  • StanInTexas

    Lao, so why weren’t they shocked when he made the violent comments on the video, as a member of the Occupy movement?

    Because it was only AFTER their arrest that people started looking at the Occupy Cleveland people and they HAD to be thrown under the bus.

    So Occupy Cleveland has no problem with their people going around and advocating violence, but if they actually do anything, only THEN will they get in trouble and thrown out of the club.

  • J

    WHY DID WIKIPEDIA SCRUB A YEAR & A HALF OLD ARTICLE TITLED ‘FORWARD (GENERIC NAME OF SOCIALIST PUBLICATIONS)’?

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/great-leap-backwards-why-did-wikipedia-scrub-a-year-a-half-old-article-titled-forward-generic-name-of-socialist-publications/

  • Bob Roberts

    lao says: May 9, 2012 at 10:57 am
    —————
    This from the guy who refers to 13 year old girls as “sexual beings” then claims he doesn’t have pedophile tendencies.

  • J

    WHITE HOUSE ADVISER DEFENDS CLASS WARFARE BY CITING KARL MARX

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/white-house-adviser-defends-class-warfare-by-citing-karl-marx/

  • lao

    bobby, stanwee, sinister and lao debated the claim made by bobby @12:29 at great length here: British Schools Surgically Implant Contraceptives in 13-Year-Olds

    Carefully following the comments at that link will reveal the mendacity of both bobby and stanwee and the veracity of comments they have made regarding that discussion, in this thread.

  • Bob Roberts

    By the way, troll, I already stated that directly accusing you of being a homosexual pedophile was over the top and basically apologized for doing that, even though you and I both know I was more needling you than actually accusing you.

    Another reason it’s time for you to go is you can’t take a joke. I stand by my earlier remarks. I freely admit that while I don’t have any DIRECT and COMPELLING evidence to support the notion, brought to my attention by others who post here and only picked up by me to needle you now and again, that you’re actually a homosexual pedophile, many of your posts actually suggest you do have both homosexual and pedophile leanings, particularly, in the latter case, your belief that 13 year old girls are ‘sexual beings’.

    Pedophiles can have sex with infants, and, when they do, the infants technically “have sex” – the mere act of having sex does not make one a ‘sexual being’.

  • StanInTexas

    And in the thread, Lao CLEARLY stated that 13-year-old girls are sexual beings.

    The rest of the people here (those NOT deviants like Lao and Sinister) have another name for 13-year-old-girls. We call them CHILDREN!

  • Bob Roberts

    lao says: May 9, 2012 at 12:35 pm
    ————–
    Indeed it was your comments in that discussion, among others, that finally began to tip the scales and lead me to suggest it was time to ban you.

    As I said SEVERAL TIMES NOW, I know it was perhaps inappropriate to hassle you when the only evidence of any homosexual or pedophile leanings you may have came from your own posts and not actual knowledge of your personal thoughts and acts (other than how they clearly influence what you post perhaps), but again, as with the OSU discussion, the more you deny and blame, the more you seem to be proving the possibility that such references to your traits may in fact have not been so far off after all.

    Keep it up.

  • Bob Roberts

    StanInTexas says: May 9, 2012 at 12:37 pm
    ————-
    Yes, perhaps, or maybe “adolescents” might be a better term since they are, at that point, often approaching or beginning the transition from child to young adult.

    Still, anyone who thinks of them as “sexual beings” should turn themselves in for either serious psychological adjustment or incarceration, depending only on if they’ve acted on such thoughts yet or are about to.

  • AC

    Common-sense people have a term to describe a 13 year old having sex, and it isn’t “sexual being.”

    Try “victim.”

  • lao

    bobby, how many of the complaints against me here are from people on your side who don’t like me mocking them or laughing at them, and calling that arrogant? AlphaMail called it “laughing down at others”.

    Now you say I “can’t take a joke” when your “joke” was repeatedly falsely branding me as a homosexual pedophile. What kind of arrogance does it take to deliberately lie about someone with a smear like that?

    Anyone who hasn’t liked me laughing at them, should contemplate my response to bobby’s slimy claims. Walk a mile in my shoes. Imagine yourself repeatedly being the target of that kind of lying smear and tell me how you would feel.

  • StanInTexas

    Ooooo, what a post. We all feel so sorry for Lao because he had to endure from Bob Roberts a few insults.

    How sad, how tragic, how…

    Ok, I’m over it now. Lao, stop whining. You give insult for insult and you NEVER apologize.

  • hiram

    I for one would feel like leaving.

    Yet “Future Coleslaw” keeps coming back. Homosexual Pedophile? Naaah. My bet is on “masochist”.

  • Bob Roberts

    Florida nabs white supremacists planning “race war” And this is a GOOD thing, but it also highlights the difference between going after people who ferment racism and not doing so because their skin color is black or brown, or their names happen to be Obama or Holder.

    Twitter Inc filed a motion in a New York criminal court on Tuesday seeking to quash a subpoena for Tweets and account records associated with Malcolm Harris, a Twitter user who was arrested last fall on the Brooklyn Bridge during an Occupy protest. He engaged in deliberate and repeated acts of inviting/provoking lawbreaking despite repeated warnings not to do so.

    Police accused of failing to investigate paedophile gang for fear of appearing racist

    Thank God this story isn’t about Canadians or the troll would be whining, as usual, that I only posted it to bash him.

    He really doesn’t need me to bash him, at this point – he’s too busy bashing himself!

    Obama’s position on same sex unions has officially evolved! Listen at 1:40 where Obama talks about all the troops that are “fighting on his behalf”.

    It’s always about him! They weren’t “fighting on his behalf”, they were fighting on OUR behalf – for all of us, for our families, for our country. Every time this sick POS opens his mouth he reveals how he believes everything is about him, all the time.

    And, of course, the troll didn’t rise to the opportunity and explain to us how rules that are applied exactly the same to everyone without consideration of gender, gender confusion, sex, sexual confusion or just “curiosity” are an example of “inequality” and a “violation of civil rights”.

    Because he can’t.

    Obama’s correctly held & stated position, before he pandered to the LGBTQ crowd for votes out of desperation!

    Q: “Mr. Obama, you’ve said that your religious faiths, your religious faith, dictates that marriage should be between a man and a woman. Would you elaborate on that?”

    OBAMA: “Well, what I believe is that marriage is between a man and a woman, but what I also believe is that we have an obligation to make sure that gays and lesbians have the rights of citizenship that afford them visitations to hospitals, that allow them to be, to transfer property between partners, to make certain that they’re not discriminated on the job. I think that bundle of rights are absolutely critical.”

    Clearly he was in the camp that we needed civil unions to resolve the admitted issues that were appropriate to discuss and remedy, not thinking of diluting and cheapening marriage by redefining it.

    Wave of violence following Newark concert

    Authorities says a pack of roving teens waged a two-minute crime spree that left five people robbed and beaten following a concert in New Jersey’s largest city.

    It turns out the incident is the second time at this venue, though not any proven connection yet.

  • lao

    Hiram, @6:26 am I wrote: Personal and profane attacks are a common line of defense against any liberal who dares to post here. Most don’t last long and it’s easy to understand why. It’s telling that some have posted that I must be a masochist to stay here in the face of such abuse. Thanks for admitting the purpose of the abuse. For myself, it’s all water off a duck’s back, because I see it as an impotent acknowledgement that the abuser has no facts to back up their opinions. Profanity is the fall back when truth and logic are lacking.

  • Bob Roberts

    lao says: May 9, 2012 at 12:50 pm

    First, most of the people who are rude to you have only REACTED to your repeated jibes and slurs directed towards them.

    Second, if it’s not true, LET IT GO! You can call me a faggot and, besides me pointing out that my position is there’s nothing wrong with being a faggot if that’s the lifestyle you choose (other than that, if the fundamentalists are correct, it buys you an express ticket to hell, or if the psychologists and doctors are correct it leads to a life of misery, depression and disease), I’m going to just let it slide right by BECAUSE I KNOW IT’S NOT TRUE.

    One of the reasons I started doing that, and mind you I’m not trying to justify or excuse it, because I still stand on my position that, other than the fact I was just kidding you a bit, I really agree with you that it was over the top, unnecessary, and probably should NOT have been done in hindsight, is that IT WAS A WAY TO DEMONSTRATE HOW EASY IT WAS TO MANIPULATE YOU.

    You’ve called us a few things and we rarely responded the way you did. Now I can see that it did really scar you, apparently, which is why I took this opportunity, in this thread, to more or less apologize and take it back.

    Your response was to bring up the basis for suspecting that you may in fact have such tendencies after all.

    Talk about irony.

    Look, let it go. I’ve tried to take it back, I’ve tried to apologize even though you’ve provided more evidence to support those who would say maybe the joking jibes were not so wide of the mark after all.

    If this is what it takes, try this:

    Print out the worst of the jibes that really upset you, not just from me, but from all of us.

    Assemble the papers in a little pyre, spray a little gas or lighter fluid on them, then burn them.

    Then let them go.

    I guarantee if you do that your life from here on out will be better.

    Or you can just hold on to them, let them rot you from the inside out and wind up getting ulcers, cancer or some other painfully life ending disease because you JUST WON’T LET IT GO!

    Look, it should be obvious by now that you’ve managed to create a situation where I don’t like you.

    But I still have compassion for you, sick and twisted as you are. I still wish, even though I know it’s in vain, that some day you might see the light, wise up, and stop being such a miserable, lying tool.

    I submit the power to do so is yours to choose or reject.

  • StanInTexas

    Nice job of cherry-picking your quote, Lao. Here is one paragraph you left out…

    As for my own responses, I tend to reciprocate. If someone gives me abuse, they get it back, in my own fashion. If someone appears to be engaging in open debate, they get that in return.

    Yet in your very first screed in this thread, you made THIS statement…
    As you well know, I have never reciprocated in the slime fest, nor have I used sock puppets, nor have I name-jacked anyone. The same can’t be said for the regulars now, can it?

    So to recap, Lao NEVER reciprocates, except when he does, and then it’s OK becasue he is better than all of us and whoever he is abusing deserves it.

    Did I get that right, Lao?

  • Bob Roberts

    lao says: May 9, 2012 at 12:59 pm
    —————-
    Troll finally admits why his primary tool here has been ad hominem attacks.

    Which is really the conclusive vote on why he needs to be banned.

  • Bob Roberts

    StanInTexas says: May 9, 2012 at 1:08 pm
    ————-
    I challenge the troll to provide any examples of where he engaged in open debate – with the qualifier that the debate needed to be honest such that when it was clear he lost, he needed to admit & accept it.

  • hiram

    I “admit” nothing, lao. Don’t claim to speak for me; it openly displays the arrogance that we detest in you.

    And where in this thread is the profanity directed at you?

  • hiram

    1) Deliberately provoke a response.

    2) Whine about that response.

    Have I got that about right, Coldslaw?

  • lao

    Unlike you I DON’T engage in profanity or slimy, lying accusations.

    I reciprocate by calling you what you clearly demonstrate you are. A LIAR.

    Once again, I strongly recommend others visit this thread to see both bobby and stanwee in action.

    THEN decide how much truth each of them are speaking.

  • Bob Roberts

    For the record, I have never “name jacked” or used sock puppets.

    And, point of order, “the regulars”, well, someone, maybe Blount himself, in general have used obvious parodies rather than “sock puppets” or “name jacks”.

    Making a vague accusation or even to imply, without ANY evidence to support it, that “the regulars” have either name jacked him or used sock puppets (exactly WHO are you claiming did that, and when, and HOW CAN YOU PROVE IT WAS THEM THAT DID IT?) is really very similar to me calling the troll a homosexual pedophile.

    Of course, I have HIS OWN POSTS to back up the belief, first stated by someone else and only picked up by me to rib the troll now and then, that indeed he does seem to strongly support both homosexuality and pedophelia if in fact he does not at least contemplate engaging in one or both.

    Note I’m not going back on what I said before – I’m not saying I know he is either a homosexual or a pedophile, because I do not. However, examining his own oft-repeated words does tend to lead one towards that belief.

  • StanInTexas

    Lao, why do you keep sending people to that thread, when it CLEARLY shows you describing 13-year-old girls as “sexual beings”. Are you so arrogant and stupid that you think your idiotic explaination of what you meant will trump your clearly stated position?

    You are a clown.

  • Sinister66

    Bob Roberts says:
    StanInTexas says:

    I thought you two knew what the term “sexual being” actually meant. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

  • Bob Roberts

    hiram says: May 9, 2012 at 1:11 pm
    ————
    Yes, he’s real good at putting words into the mouths of others that they never said.

    We’ve all noted that.

    But it comes back to haunt him.

    He claimed we were in agreement on the OSU issue when my points were his own evidence supported the following conclusions:

    The obamunists lied about the expected turnout
    The obamunists lied about the actual turnout
    Blount’s statement about the empty arena may not have been much of an exaggeration and may even in fact have been correct.
    The obamunists deliberately engaged in a campaign to hide the truth about the actual turnout and all the empty seats.
    The trolls own evidence pretty much clinched the case about all of the above.

    and

    There was in fact a significant loss of enthusiasm for Obama during his first, and hopefully only, term, including among his base and even some of his formerly hardcore supporters.

    The troll says we agree, so I submit that since those were my positions, which I clearly, consistently and repeatedly articulated, he is admitting all of them are correct and that he agrees with them.

  • StanInTexas

    Sinister, and I thought I had already warned you about trying to defend Lao and his lies.

    I see you are not bright enough to understand your own stupidity.

  • Bob Roberts

    So, having discussed the matter to the point of exhaustion, can we declare May 10 as “LAO FREE MOONBATTERY DAY”?

    Show of virtual hands?

    Both of mine will be raised once I finish this post!

  • hiram

    Cabbage, Bob. Remember what you’re trying to have a discussion with.

    Can we make coleslao yet?

  • StanInTexas

    Hiram,

    ColesLao? Now THAT’S clever!

  • Bob Roberts

    StanInTexas says: May 9, 2012 at 1:20 pm
    ————
    Lowering my hands long enough to say that it looks like sinister (what a name to choose) is vying for the position of “next to be banned”.

    Still, I hope our trolls don’t make a habit of getting banned. We do need an HONEST, REASONABLE contrary voice – but then again as I’ve pointed out several of us actually already provide it. We have some pretty diverse opinions even without lao, sinister & their ilk.

  • Bob Roberts

    hiram says: May 9, 2012 at 1:22 pm
    StanInTexas says: May 9, 2012 at 1:23 pm
    ————
    Agreed.

    Raise your hands.

  • Sinister66

    Bob Roberts says:

    “Lowering my hands long enough to say that it looks like sinister (what a name to choose) is vying for the position of “next to be banned”.”

    Hows that?

  • Bob Roberts
  • Bob Roberts

    Sinister66 says: May 9, 2012 at 1:26 pm
    —————
    I don’t know, maybe I’m being hasty in your case. But you need to lay off the others on this one. Be a voice of reason, not a voice of contention.

  • FrankW

    I realize tensions run high sometimes when lao is involved, but I prefer to stick to my “libs outlaw, conservatives change the channel” approach. I am speaking for me and only me on this however.

  • StanInTexas

    Bob, Sinister is an annoying worm and a self-described Internet Tough-Guy, but he has a LOT of work to do to reach the depavity of Lao.

  • Bob Roberts

    Seriously, I really wish we didn’t get to the point where lao needed to be banned – but he brought it on himself.

    I’m not seriously suggesting that we start looking about for anyone else to ban – I’m sure some idiot troll will show up sooner or later and help that come about without me saying or doing anything.

    I’m just saying that we all need to go ahead and reflect on how the troll has affected us and maybe this would be a good time, if we find after a self-evaluation, that perhaps we can clean up our own acts too – well, let’s get it done!

  • Bob Roberts

    FrankW says: May 9, 2012 at 1:31 pm
    ————-
    Wise words and generally exactly what we should do.

    I know it’s in part with my help and the help of others, but it was getting to the point that you couldn’t change the channel – the troll was messing up the reception all over the dial here.

    I guess for me the question was whether the troll was achieving his goal of driving people away, thus reducing the diversity & effectiveness of this site.

    If you look at comments over the past few months, and even perhaps review what you just said, the answer seems to be yes.

    THAT is yet another factor which tipped my vote from “keep him around” to “ban him”.

    No doubt he’ll reprise his “victory dance” over getting banned, as if it’s any sort of victory to disrupt a space with lies and distortions, childish, petty posts and nonsense.

  • Adam

    I personally am not in favor of banning lao. He’s usually no more than a mild irritation, like what EricDraven/ Logan used to be up until a week or so before his own banning.
    The only time lao even comes close to angeringme is when he tries to parrot his “Only conservaitves pose a violent terrorist threat to America, never liberals” argument.
    As long as he doesn’t push it any farther than he has already, let him stay.

  • wingmann

    Sinister66 says:
    May 9, 2012 at 12:18 pm
    ____________________

    I would hope by the time you’re 51,you would be wiser than that.

  • hiram

    Frank, I see your point… but remember that we’ve had to put up with him for how long now? A year? Two? Of the same tired crap every day? I’m tired. Getting people to “change the channel” is ColesLao’s goal, and I’d rather ban the little snot that see this blog dragged down like he wants. I’m tolerant of other opinions, but I can only listen to a 4-year-old for so long before I have to resist the urge to smack him upside the head.

    Eventually, you have to make the toddler take a bath and go to bed so that the grownups can sit down and have a conversation. In peace.

  • Bob Roberts

    I’m also actually disappointed that, at best, only tepid, unconvincing testimonials on behalf of the troll have appeared. Can anyone take the role of devil’s advocate and give a rousing, convincing argument why we need him around? Why we should suffer one more day of his nonsense, mischief and lies?

    Surely he can tell us where he intends to go next and those who need him in their lives that badly can split their precious time between whatever sites (including this one) they now surf and wherever the troll lands if he is in fact banned!

  • StanInTexas

    Bob, do not automatically assume that Lao is going anywhere. He ‘claims’ that he will leave happily and never come back, but Lao has a poor track record with the truth. At best, we have get a week or two of peace until he reappears. It would not surprise me if he is already casually posting under another name in anticipation of his eventual departure.

  • lao

    Adam, I have NEVER advocated that “Only conservatives pose a violent terrorist threat to America, never liberals”.

    I have previously acknowledged that leftist terrorists have launched attacks in America. Groups perpetrating environmental or animal rights sabotage are the most obvious examples.

  • wingmann

    Everybody that wants lao to stay…stand and raise your hand in the upper decks!!
    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=32a_1336388598

  • Bob Roberts

    StanInTexas says: May 9, 2012 at 1:49 pm
    ———–
    Agreed, absolutely. I would hope Mr. Blount has a way of detecting/preventing that.

    I’m not sure of the capabilities of his site’s software and it’s probably better if he doesn’t reveal them because, in doing so, he might also reveal ways to get around whatever actions he might take.

  • Bob Roberts

    wingmann says: May 9, 2012 at 1:52 pm
    ————-
    BAZINGA!

  • hiram

    ColesLao NEVER EVER says anything like that, Adam. You should know that by now.

    But he IMPLIES the ever-lovin’ hell out of it. That’s his out… witness the non-sequitor Florida Nazi post above. No commentary, no explanation. Call him on it, and he can deny, deny, deny, and deny some more.

    Time to go to bed, sonny. No, you can’t have another damn glass of water… GO TO BED!

  • Bob Roberts

    lao says: May 9, 2012 at 1:50 pm
    ————–
    Wow, another unexpected statement of truth from lao:


    I have previously acknowledged that leftist terrorists have launched attacks in America. Groups perpetrating environmental or animal rights sabotage are the most obvious examples.

    You know, while I don’t expect him to become someone who only presents one side of current & world events, I cannot remember a time when he ever brought, on his own, before someone else did & asked him to speak up on it, an example of left wing inappropriate behavior.

    I’m much more familiar with him trying to claim that obvious left wingers have no connection with the left wing and that the obamunists didn’t try to hide the facts about the clearly waning enthusiasm for Obama among those who were so giddy at the FALSE prospect of voting for the first “black” President, who then elected an inexperienced, inept, mulatto who was born with a silver spoon in his mouth which he wound up using for coke in his adolescence and young adult phases.

  • Arty

    Send Lao packing. He is the turd in the ointment and is only here to disrupt, not invoke other ideas or change minds. He’s an operative who gets paid to turd around conservative blogs and be a pain in everyone’s ass. Why else would a prog be on blogs all day and everyday, especially a conservative blog.

  • StanInTexas

    Lao, your posts on this thread today have done NOTHING to give anyone a reason why you should be allowed to stay. All we have from you are a few “Poor, Poor ME” whines and your usual litany of lies. Even Sinister’s usual vocal defense of you has been tepid and impotent.

    If you had the slightest bit of class, you would take what has been said about you here today and LEAVE ON YOUR OWN. But as you have shown before, you are incapable of class.

    I wonder what your new posting name will be. Perhaps you can recycle one of your old ones from RWN.

  • lao

    Re the Florida neo-Nazis, all I know at this point is the information contained in that link.

    Has the concept of “race war” been raised here before now?

    Be honest.

  • Bob Roberts

    hiram says: May 9, 2012 at 1:55 pm
    ———–
    Your post made me realize my glass was empty and so I told my girlfriend to bring me another, and some grapes. I’m going to be busy for a while – time for my mid afternoon “feeding”.

    nomesayin?

  • wingmann

    OK lao…are you an AMERICAN?
    And what gender are you?

    Please don’t tell me these questions are too personal for you.I think 99%of the people here would answer that if asked.

    It’s important and relevant to me to know simple things about the person I’m in a debate with.

  • hiram

    The concept of “race war” comes up here all the time, usually in one of two forms:

    1) a liberal “moby” who we rarely or never hear from again, and generally gets called out for such douchebaggery.

    2) posts about such darling leftists as Shalik Whatshisname of the NBPP who are *openly calling for it*.

  • StanInTexas

    Wingmann, you have asked Lao this question before, and you received derision in response.

    Remember, Lao only asks questions and demands we answer them. He rarely answers direct questions put to him, even simple ones like yours.

  • lao

    From the archives:

    I DIRECTLY condemn violence. No quibbles. I don’t care if someone is on the left or right or center. I don’t care what denomination of religion they adhere to or if they are atheists. I DIRECTLY condemn ALL violence.
    Posted by: lao at September 13, 2010 2:54 PM

    You claim I have said “Only conservatives are psychos” and have argued same. Where?
    When I acknowledged the unibomber is left wing, doesn’t that wipe out your complaint?
    When I acknowledged Lee’s population concerns as being left wing, doesn’t that wipe out your complaint?
    When I acknowledged the Austin gang as being left wing, doesn’t that wipe out your complaint?
    I have acknowledged that ELF or ALF are leftist. Speaking of them, please provide a credible link for “three documented deaths due to tree spiking”.
    Feel free to acknowledge in your turn, that the people I named are right wing.
    Posted by: lao at October 4, 2010 3:14 PM

  • StanInTexas

    Hiram, also the discussion is always the same:

    1) Some Liberal crazy screeches for an armed insurrection or a violent race war.
    2) Silence ensues from Loa and his ilk.
    3) Some Conservative (Me?) will say “So, when are you going to stop talking and do something?”
    4) Liberals lose their mind, gnashing their teeth, and claiming that Conservatives are trying to start a race war!

    Rinse and repeat!

  • hiram

    oh, sorry, left one out..

    3) Non-sequitor posts by lao attempting to imply a connection between racist fringe groups and conservatism.

  • StanInTexas

    Lao, interesting that you had to go back to 2010 to find some impotent statement from you about violence.

  • Sinister66

    StanInTexas says:
    “Bob, Sinister is an annoying worm and a self-described Internet Tough-Guy, but he has a LOT of work to do to reach the depavity of Lao.”

    Your wack-a-do crazy posts are one of the main reasons I come here.

  • lao

    hiram can you provide a link to a white supremacist, liberal, skinhead group?

  • StanInTexas

    That’s fine Sinister, stay and play.

    How’s that credibility comparison poll going?

  • StanInTexas

    Lao, do your own homework.

  • Sinister66

    wingmann says:
    May 9, 2012 at 1:36 pm

    That broad is a turbo hotty. I would crawl through a mile of broken glass just to smell the truck tire that ran over her panties.

  • StanInTexas

    Sinister @2:26

    Ooooo, Tough-Guy!!!

  • Sinister66

    StanInTexas says:

    “How’s that credibility comparison poll going?”

    WTF are you babbling about?

  • lao
  • StanInTexas

    Sinister,

    hahahahahahahahahaha

    StanInTexas says:May 9, 2012 at 12:24 pm
    Sinister, would you like to take a quick poll on here comparing my credibility to yours?
    Yeah, I didn’t thing so!

  • StanInTexas

    Lao, Obama also says that energy prices need to rise and that coal companies need to be put out of business. And not too long ago, he said Marriage was between 1 man and 1 woman.

    SO WHAT?

  • lao

    Sinister, when stanwee uses the word “credibility” in relation to himself, it’s meant as a joke.

    You should laugh loud and long.

  • StanInTexas

    Says the troll with so little credibility that he is the topic of a BAN-DISCUSSION!

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

  • lao

    Says stanwee who has ALREADY been banned – and from a right wing site at that.

  • StanInTexas

    And how many times were YOU banned from RWN crthns?

    And please do not confuse RightWingNews for a RIGHT-WING site.

  • lao

    Republicans: Our Position Is Clear, Marriage Is Between One Man And One Woman

    Excellent. The lines are drawn between the mammals and the dinosaurs.

  • StanInTexas

    Yes, and the Republicans (the mammals) are correct on this issue.

  • lao

    Previously I said: The web is full of far right blogs I can post on and I promise you, I will post there as lao.

    I think I’ll change my mind on that and adopt a different name. That way stanwee will go crazy scouring the web trying to find me and he’ll accuse every liberal who posts of being lao.

  • StanInTexas

    crthns, you are a prick, and always have been.

    As I said earlier, I am confident that you are already posting here with a different name and address so that WHEN you are banned, you can seamlessly drop right back in.

    I know how badly you want me to follow you around and validate your pathetic little self-esteem. Please run to another board and wait for me. I’ll be along soon, really, and I mean that!

  • Sinister66

    StanInTexas says:
    May 9, 2012 at 2:09 pm
    “Hiram, also the discussion is always the same:

    1) Some Liberal crazy screeches for an armed insurrection or a violent race war.
    2) Silence ensues from Loa and his ilk.
    3) Some Conservative (Me?) will say “So, when are you going to stop talking and do something?”
    4) Liberals lose their mind, gnashing their teeth, and claiming that Conservatives are trying to start a race war!

    Rinse and repeat!”

    Boy are you full of crap. Generally its someone like: 7.62-
    “The alternative is we stop them, NOW, by ballots or bullets.”
    http://moonbattery.com/?p=5636#comment-82855

    “Wake the hell up people, you are getting out of this without a war. Man up and face it, the sooner we show force against these leftist en-slavers, the fewer people will die in the process.”
    http://moonbattery.com/?p=7909

    Spider-
    “Then, when all the little niggletts show up, the law-abiding citizens can just lean out their windows and use the opportunity (and targets) to get their rifles sighted in for hunting season.”
    http://moonbattery.com/?p=11459#comments

    Only to name a few

    And it was me who said to quit complaing and do something.

    “You people have been saying this”I cant wait to shoot these (insert current derogitory name)” since the ows garbage started.

    Quit complaining and get to shooting.”
    http://moonbattery.com/?p=8312

    “Well what are you waiting for. Go get ‘em.”
    http://moonbattery.com/?p=7909

  • StanInTexas

    WOW, Sinister, you are starting to sound JUST LIKE LAO. Amazing.

    And for your dumbass information, I am not talking about random posters on an anonymous message board, but actual people in power like the Occupy Movement or the New Black Panthers that are OPENLY calling for armed insurrection and race wars.

  • lao
  • J
  • J
  • J

    “Occupy Cleveland is shocked by these allegations. We continue to be committed to creating social change through non-violence.”

    http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/news/local_news/cleveland_metro/bridge-bomb-suspects-plead-not-guilty-occupy-cleveland-members-show-up-to-support-suspects

  • J

    “Occupy Cleveland is shocked by these allegations. We continue to be committed to creating social change through non-violence.”

    http://www.jammiewf.com/2012/occupy-cleveland-bomber-caught-on-camera-talking-non-violence/

  • TrickleUpPolitics

    Jodie, you’re not fat! LOL

  • Jodie

    TUP,

    Thanks for “getting” the joke part of my post! :)

  • wingmann

    Here is lao gleefully bringing to the party what is to be used for his own game of whack-a-lao.
    http://www.balloonacy.net/images/jpeg/BigHammer22B.jpg
    ___________________________

    OK everybody,chose your weapon….it’s clobbering time!
    http://image.ec21.com/image/anngong/pre_GC01514340/Hammers.jpg

    Don’t trample over each other.There are plenty more where these came from!

  • Bob Roberts

    lao says: May 9, 2012 at 1:59 pm

    Has the concept of “race war” been raised here before now?

    Be honest.
    ——————–
    Look, I’m going to first say maybe you just missed the whole Zimmerman/Martin discussion… nah, we know better!

    You know that “the usual suspects” from Obama and Holder on down have been attempting to ferment a race war over that incident in order to distract the general public from the abject and dismal failure that is the Obama administration and Obama himself.

    Seriously, you weren’t suggesting that the concept of a “race war” had NOT been raised here before, repeatedly, over the Zimmerman case, were you?

    Be honest!

    ———-
    And I expressed myself poorly earlier (one tends to do that when a scantily clad, buxom female begins to interfere with your vision of what you’re typing with what few articles of clothing she’s still wearing) at 1:57.

    Lao already expresses only one side. Nobody is suggesting he needs to do a complete paradigm shift and only express the other side is what I meant to say. We’d be happy if he would just be more reasonable and share things that show that both sides have issues that need to be resolved.

    Like most of us who say that, once we clean up the Democrats, the Republicans are going to get their comeuppance too, hopefully.

    Ask Indiana’s Dick Lugar. While he was in fact correct on many issues, his stance on 2nd Amendment and immigration issues, among others, doomed him. He also helped the Democrats villify Bush II.

    Again, this is not to say that he wasn’t on the right side of several issues – he was. But I think it is time to clear out the people who are making a career out of what the founding fathers intended to be a short period of essentially volunteer service.

  • Doug

    I propose that every time Lao logs in his name appears as “Gunther” otherwise, ban the retard!

  • J

    In answer to Mr. Blount’s original question, unless lao has done something egregious I have to side with the spirit of free speech, and support his presence here.

  • TonyD95B

    Jeez…..this “lao” thing is STILL going on?

    Incredible.

  • Festivus

    Personally, I have refrained from advocating one way or another on the the original question as I do respect the principle of not silencing opinion no matter how obnoxious. That’s the left’s tactic – silencing dissenting opinion. I honor and respect Dave for that even though some of the invectives have been directed at the very person who’s given him free reign to run amok on this blog.

    That said, I think he’s worn out his welcome. He’s abused the good grace extended to him. For all of his whining about the abuse slung in his direction, if he wasn’t such a collasal douche bag maybe he’d have a more friendly and accepting repartee with the posters here.

    Make no mistake, he’s every bit the relentless ideologue as Gunther, just more imaginative.

  • SR

    CHICAGOLAND DEM ARRESTED FOR BEATING DAUGHTER

    http://freebeacon.com/chicagoland-dem-arrested-for-beating-daughter/

  • http://www.henrypbabcock.com Henry

    Ahh, the violent progs with the cop killing unicorn banner…

    “We continue to be committed to creating social change through non-violence.”

    Maybe Lao can use his telesthesia and tell us the “truth”, – as he sees it, of course – about what these violent progs really mean… eh, Canuck?

  • SR

    These guys are morons with their phony outrage…..Mass. Dems file ethics complaint against Brown

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/05/mass-dems-file-ethics-complaint-against-brown-122935.html

  • SR

    Taliban-Allied Groups Kill 500 US Soldiers – Obama Rewards Them With Peace Talks & Qatar Office

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/05/taliban-allied-groups-kill-500-us-soldiers-obama-rewards-them-with-peace-talks-qatar-office/

  • http://controversy.freeforums.org/ FuzzyRider

    Don’t ban lao, y’all need him. Without him, the comments section woud be an echo chamber. A body doesn’t learn anything by banning contrary opinions!

    Of course, saying this will cause me to be subject to diverse accusations of being lao, or his first cousin, or a paid troll, etc. (ad hominem attacks apparently being very popuar here…), but under no circumstances will I respond in kind.

    John Stuart Mills, I think, stated it best:

    “If all of mankind, minus one, were of one opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing the one than the one would be, if it were in his power, in silencing mankind”

  • Festivus

    Fuzzy, your argument is well taken, don’t get me wrong.

    lao has had free reign for what, two or more years? He’s had an unfettered opportunity to make his voice heard and he’s frankly abused it by pushing the envelope at every turn in recent months. I’m sure that has something to do with desperation that is settling in with leftists as their November prospects begin to materialize.

    But let’s not be overly dramatic here. This is not a public forum where any poster has the right to say whatever they wish without consequence. It’s a privately owned blog where Dave Blount is the dictator. He has shown tremendous restraint if you ask me. True enough, Dave relishes in tweaking the left and lao takes the bait every time. But that’s Dave’s prerogative.

    I agree with you that the Comments will likely drop off (although I’m not convinced it will become an echo chamber – it wasn’t that before lao) and be somewhat less akin to watching a train wreck day after day. I have no doubt that will be the case and I’m sure that weighs on Dave’s mind as he contemplates his options.

    Let’s face it, the average leftist right now isn’t very excited about their prospects in November. It takes an exceptionally zealous “by-stander” partisan to relentlessly talk leftist smack right now.

    The abuse may roll like water off this duck’s back, but this is either an operative, an operative wannabe, or there is something terribly wrong with this person to spend all of this time and energy flailing like a feather-fan against a windstorm.

    As lao freely admits, he knows of many “right wing” blogs (no doubt cataloguing their threads, posts, and posters with key-words and cross-references) and will just move on if he’s banned here. He’s hardly oppressed from expressing his views.

  • J
  • J

    Don’t get me wrong, I don’t mean to be overly dramatic. There is no question that this is Mr. Blount’s house and he is perfectly within his rights to allow or disallow any one from speaking here. There is no 1st Amendment issues at play here. This is why I used the phrase spirit of free speech.

    I do think it’s important for those of us who champion liberty to practice what we preach whenever possible.

    I don’t see lao’s expression of his wacko thoughts to be an offense worthy of banning.

    On a liberal blog, were lao a conservative, he would have been banned long ago. This is where we display our superior sensibilities, by recognizing that nothing he has to say thusfar, or in the future, has any merit and doesn’t warrant any fear over.

    I would also add, that his views ultimately help the cause of liberty, by allowing him to expose the psychopathology of those who think like him.

    Plus he provides endless comic relief.

  • Festivus

    At the risk of being presumptuous, I will suggest a couple of options for Dave (who is entirely capable of handling this situation without my help – lol).

    1) A time out. Rather than a permanent ban, maybe lao gets a time out with an invitation back at some point in the future. I’m thinking November 7th, 2012 would be a good time. I think Bob Roberts suggested this first, actually.

    2) lao privately genuflect and offer mea culpas to Dave via private email assuring him that he will be respectful to the host and not persist in co-opting this blog as his own propagandist platform.

    3) Recognizing that he has worn out his welcome with many posters, lao voluntarily takes a sabbatical from Moonbattery.com. Not hours, nor days or weeks – MONTHS.

    4) lao converts to conservatism and denounces his allegiance to leftism. He can demonstrate his loyalty by severing the heads of Fez and Andy.

  • Bob Roberts

    J says: May 9, 2012 at 7:37 pm
    ————–
    Your position is in fact about where I used to be before lao’s latest transgressions. You make some good points, the same ones I did a while back.

    I’m not happy it’s come to this. I’d rather keep the troll here but for the fact he’s become intolerable – and people tell me I’m the most tolerant person they know, so that’s no small feat.

    Festivus says: May 9, 2012 at 7:49 pm
    ————
    Not sure I deserve credit for those ideas, but some of them do sound pretty reasonable. I particularly like #1. I actually would like to hear from him between say November 7 and 14, 2012 then, assuming he’s not going to be much different than he is today, make the ban permanent UNLESS he surprises us and actually earns a place at the adult table.

  • Bob Roberts

    FuzzyRider says: May 9, 2012 at 6:39 pm
    —————–
    This forum is not capable of becoming an echo chamber.

    I don’t know, maybe I need to go back and read what you said the other times you’ve spoken up on this issue, but it seems to me you’re not being consistent. If it means enough to me I’ll attempt to review the things you’ve said and get back to you about it, but I wouldn’t hold your breath if I were you because I have more important fish to fry.

    Your quote is out of order – we have very diverse opinions here, as I’ve pointed out, without lao being one of them. I do think that this space deserves a minimum level of honesty and fairness and lao has consistently demonstrated an inability to meet even the most lax standards imaginable.

    And, of course, his defense will be:

    But Bob Roberts…

    But Festivus…

    But Stan…

    All to no avail because, for once, this isn’t about any of us, IT IS ALL ABOUT LAO.

    Congratulations, lao, you got what you wanted. Now you may just get what you deserve, depending on what Mr. Blount decides.

    I’m reviewing the comments on this question and I have yet to see “a loud outcry on [lao's] behalf”.

    Anyone care to point out what I may be missing?

    Fuzzy may have actually made the best misguided arguments, particularly considering his past comments, for whatever reason, but they still fall way short of Mr. Blount’s stated requirement, IMHO.

  • Bob Roberts

    HERE IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE:

    lao says: May 9, 2012 at 2:47 pm
    Republicans: Our Position Is Clear, Marriage Is Between One Man And One Woman

    Excellent. The lines are drawn between the mammals and the dinosaurs.

    —————————–

    Ad hominem is the best the troll can bring.

    Well before he made this post I already invited him to explain to us all exactly how laws that treat EVERY PERSON EQUALLY REGARDLESS OF GENDER, STATE OF GENDER CONFUSION, SEX, SEXUAL IDENTITY CONFUSION, OR STATE OF BI-CURIOSITY are somehow skewed against ANYONE.

    I repeat and ask for him to state his case without merely running to ad hominem:

    There are basic requirements for marriage which lay out restrictions based on age, mental capacity or state and the genetic “closeness” of those wishing to marry. If it is your argument that these requirements/restrictions somehow discriminate against any group, please explain now.

    But with respect to the basic requirement, that is applied equally to all, that marriage is a union of two persons each being a member of the opposite sex than the other, please explain how this requirement in any way treats a straight person any different than a “gay”, “queer”, “lesbian” or otherwise gender/sex challenged person BECAUSE IT DOES NOT.

    Male or female, gay or straight, you can still choose any otherwise eligible person of the opposite sex and marry them. This universal law is applied equally to all.

    So please explain how this equal application generates the claimed unequal treatment.

    If you don’t at least attempt to do so we will take that as confirmation you have no valid arguments to present.

  • Bob Roberts

    And besides, if we look at the animal kingdom and we take the liberty to assume dinosaurs probably acted similarly to today’s animals, homosexual behavior is generally used to subjugate, intimidate or abuse those the instigator considers to be “inferior”.

    So basically the troll may have got it right – those who favor homosexuality and it’s political causes are in fact more like dinosaurs than mammals, though outside of the human race (as homosexuals are quick to point out as if it supports their case), mammals do in fact practice the use of homosexual rape to assert control and authority over others or just to abuse them when they feel like doing so.

    I always though we humans knew better than to act like animals. Apparently the troll and I disagree on this point, too.

  • Bob Roberts

    “thought”… missed a “t”!

  • http://controversy.freeforums.org/ FuzzyRider

    The only thing I see that lao is guilty of here is ‘heresy’.

    As far as I can tell, he doesn’t do anything that is not done by other posters. He posts links to articles and offerd arguments supporting his point of view, as does everyone, and his level of invective is generally far less than what is being directed toward him by some.
    In the political/cultural arena, ‘truth’ is seldom absolute, and often depends as much on worldview as anything.

    People who are enamored by ‘political correctness’ are seldom able to acknowledge this, and seek to expel the heretics on the grounds that their political incorrectness renders their opinions invalid, thus they can claim to support free speech while simultaneously strangling it. Without vigilance, it is an easy trap for anyone, left or right or libertarian, to fall into.

  • http://controversy.freeforums.org/ FuzzyRider

    Many libertarians would argue that marriage, being a religious institution, should not be regulated by the government outside of normal contract law. A different point of view, certainly, but it renders the whole controversy moot.

  • Sam Adams

    lao says:
    May 9, 2012 at 1:59 pm

    Re the Florida neo-Nazis, all I know at this point is the information contained in that link.

    Has the concept of “race war” been raised here before now?

    Be honest.

    lao says:
    May 9, 2012 at 2:21 pm

    hiram can you provide a link to a white supremacist, liberal, skinhead group?
    ______________

    You have a couple of issues going on here, Lao. First, white supremacists would generally be considered similar to the KKK, which was the “action” wing of the southern democrats. In our lifetime, we have had a democrat who was a higher up in the KKK serve in congress, but no republicans serve who were kkk members.

    Second, NAZIs were national socialists; they were opposed to free market capitalism every bit as much as the international socialists. Now I’d like to tell you that the democrats aren’t associated with the international socialists…or socialists in general, but just this past week, a member of Obama’s administration quoted Karl Marx as justification for the left’s war on the rich.

    One third ideam; many on the left would consider the tea party folks as being very right wing, yet the tea party folks don’t advocate violence. On the other hand, Marxists, the KKK, the Occupy Movement, the Black Panthers all use violent rhetoric, with sometimes that violence being put into action.

    Therefore calling a neo-NAZI skinhead, white supremist group is simply a continuation of the left’s disinformation attempt to paint the NAZIs as being ultra-conservative. They had to do that because the left supported the NAZIs up until they started killing Jews.

  • Sam Adams

    FuzzyRider says:
    May 9, 2012 at 10:23 pm

    Many libertarians would argue that marriage, being a religious institution, should not be regulated by the government outside of normal contract law. A different point of view, certainly, but it renders the whole controversy moot.
    ______________

    Of course the Federal Government has (or should have) no role in defining marriage, one way or the other. It is simply a state issue. That, of course, was not the Federal Government’s position when it decided that it needed to outlaw polygamy back in the 19th century, sending many men to prison for the act of marrying more than one woman (yet the government has never made an effort to outlaw a man living and having children with more than one woman, so long as he never uses the “marriage” word.)

    Personally I have one reason why I oppose “gay marriage.” I believe that children are best raised in a loving home with parents consisting of a man and a woman. When a child comes up for adoption, that child should be given the pest chance possible to have a happy and successful life, and that, in my opinion, would be to have that child adopted by a traditional married couple.

    So, state agencies, when determining who will get the rather limited supply of babies that are available, should give preference to married couples. If two people of the same sex are married, adoption agencies can no longer give that preference to traditionally married couples.

  • Stephan the Original

    Bob Roberts says:
    May 9, 2012 at 9:48 pm

    Entirely correct. The claim to ‘inequality’ is complete rubbish. Everybody gets the same chance to marry because everybody qualifies for one side of the equation, male or female.

  • Stephan the Original

    Sam Adams says:
    May 9, 2012 at 11:21 pm

    Sam, I don’t think any government can legitimately redefine marriage so fundamentally because marriage predates any government that exists in the world. The foundation of that government literally rests on the definition of the institution, since is the central social component of our lives, irrespective of any government.

    So, all they can do is regulate it, and maybe make somewhat arbitrary decisions regarding what is considered age maturity (but still generally within a certain range). But ignore the fundamental meaning of the male/female complementary? Madness.

  • Jester

    Nuking lao’s far-left progressive Democrat talking points & far-left progressive Democrat sources = shooting fish in a barrel.

    What’s not to love?

  • http://www.brycchancarey.com/abolition/wilberforce.htm WIlberforce

    Wow….talk about late to the party. My opinion on the matter would be, shall we say…’controversial’. :)

    Lao stays, we need him.

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