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Jun 24 2012

Christian?

Pundits identify themselves as card-carrying members of the establishment when they dutifully aver that Obama is a Christian. But black liberation theology — race hatred blended with Marxism under a thin veneer of mysticism — is hardly Christianity. Does this guy sound like a Christian?

On a tip from G. Fox.

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  • JoNeS

    Wow…. Wow …Only an “intellectual” could think this or misunderstand scripture like this…(and not bother to ask someone to explain what was meant)……

  • Sgt Stadenko

    When people claim “Obama is a Muslim”, they are (unintentionally or otherwise) distracting the listener from the genuinely ugly truth.

  • Martin

    “ask someone to explain what was meant”???

    The thing about words in books is that they explain themselves. There are all kinds of passages in the bible that advocate behaviours and beliefs that most decent people in the modern world find abhorrent. I would like to see JoNeS explain what was meant. Please explain what the writers living in the Middle East thousands of years ago meant or explain what the English translators meant for that matter.

  • Jodie

    “Folks haven’t been reading their Bibles,”

    Folks like Obama, Pelosi, Martin, Sharpton, Jackson, etc.

  • http://www.brycchancarey.com/abolition/wilberforce.htm Wilberforce

    And the serpent hissed, “Has God really said?”…

  • wingmann

    He is a liar,thief and a FRAUD !!
    Oh…AND HE HATES AMERICA!

    I would like to see someone ask him to lead us with the Lord’s prayer…I bet money he can’t recite it by himself impromptu.GUARANTEED!

  • Bo Jangles

    C’mon guys. None of this matters at all because “they” know they’re dealing with a nation of weak, gullible, and mindless sheep that will tolerate and absorb anything they’re fed. Need proof? Who else but sheep would tolerate the facts shown below?

    QUOTABLE QUOTES
    “What have we seen happen recently, in the last 10 years? A food stamp program that has gone from about $20.6 billion to over $75 billion in allocation of funds. A 267 percent increase. That’s not how you empower the American people. That’s how you enslave the American people. That’s how you drive toward economic dependence instead of economic freedom…”
    Allen West

  • Alan

    Sorry, but he does have a point here. I have read the Bible cover to cover, several times in my life, and there is some WEIRD stuff in there, especially the Old Testament.

    The biggest single knock against Jesus was that he never criticized slavery. I once saw a (black) woman on a TV talk show who said that violent criminals should be shipped off to labor camps and put to work until restitution has been made to the victims. Not a bad idea really. In Jesus’ time people unable to pay debts were tossed in jail (Matt 18 and Luke 16). Good luck getting laws like that passed today.

    Not flaming, just saying.

  • http://redstate.com Donchahatelibs

    he never converted, otherwise the muslim world would be up in arms over an apostate and you know what that means, a fatwa for his head if he did…
    no, the fantasy that he’s a christian was the MSM play to get an unelectable muslim elected POTUS.

  • Jodie

    Alan @ 9:54 am,

    Just pray for the Holy Spirit to help you understand the scriptures. And remember the following:

    “Prophecy of Scripture

    12 So I will always remind you of these things, even though you know them and are firmly established in the truth you now have. 13 I think it is right to refresh your memory as long as I live in the tent of this body, 14 because I know that I will soon put it aside, as our Lord Jesus Christ has made clear to me. 15 And I will make every effort to see that after my departure you will always be able to remember these things.

    16 For we did not follow cleverly devised stories when we told you about the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ in power, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty. 17 He received honor and glory from God the Father when the voice came to him from the Majestic Glory, saying, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”[b] 18 We ourselves heard this voice that came from heaven when we were with him on the sacred mountain.

    19 We also have the prophetic message as something completely reliable, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts. 20 Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things. 21 For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.”

    2 Peter 1
    New International Version (NIV)

  • TrickleUpPolitics

    Alan, you may have read the Bible but you didn’t understand the Bible. Matthew 18:23-35 is a parable about forgiveness. Jesus is explaining what he meant in Matthew 18:22 when Peter asked if he should forgive his brother 7 times if he should sin against him(Peter). The Lord said “I do not say to you up to seven times but up to seventy times seven”. Then Jesus talks about “a certain king”. The king forgive the debt, but the one he forgive then refused to forgive someone who owed him money but threw the debtor into prison (Matthew 18:30), so the king delivered the original debtor to “the torturers” (Matthew 18:34). The parable is a warning that God will punish us if we do not live by God’s word, that is, “forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us”. I hope I don’t have to explain to you what a parable is and how many times Jesus used them in his sermons.

    Luke 16 is the parable of the young ruler. The young ruler was told that to get to heaven he should share his worldly goods with the poor, but the young ruler would not because he was rich. And Jesus said “How hard is it for those who have riches to enter the kingdom of God! For it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God”. This was a warning to his disciples to fix their eyes on the kingdom above and eschew making “mammon”, the things below, the focus of their lives. I’m not sure what you think Luke says if you think it is about throwing people into prison for debt.

    Also, the Old Testament was not for gentiles but was the covenant between God and the Jews. When Jesus came we entered the New Covenant which is for all people, Jews and Gentiles. The dietary proscriptions in the Old Testament no longer apply, but he did repeat the Ten Commandments except for honoring the Sabbath (which is the last day of the week, Saturday). We are now commanded to observe the first day of the week, Sunday, by taking the Lord’s Supper in remembrance of Him. The Jews did not have slaves. Obama certainly does not know what the Bible says because he is not a Christian. He will be sorry that he mocked God’s law when he meets God. His smirk after he said “Don’t tell me I haven’t been reading the Bible” is especially his problem. Reading is not understanding, and mocking is not obeying.

  • Jodie

    See, that’s why I luv ya TUP! :)

  • wingmann

    “Is the Bible the inspired word of God?”
    Ask the question yourself.

    “Think about these realities: 66 books, written by 40 different authors, over 1500 years, in 3 different languages, on 3 different continents. What’s more, this collection of books shares a common storyline- the creation, fall, and redemption of God’s people; a common theme- God’s universal love for all of humanity; and a common message- salvation is available to all who repent of their sins and commit to following God with all of their heart, soul, mind and strength. In addition to sharing these commonalities, these 66 books contain no historical errors or contradictions. God’s word truly is an amazing collection of writings”

    http://worldviewweekend.com/worldview-times/article.php?articleid=7214

  • Jodie

    And you too wingmann! :)

  • Alphamail

    I agree with Jodie.

  • Jodie

    Thanks Alphamail. You are also one of my favorites! :)

  • Jodie

    Oh my goodness, I sound like Dorothy on the Wizard of Oz. Which by the way is a movie that I HATE. I don’t usually use the word HATE, but I do HATE evil and that movie insinuates that God is a fraud.

    On the other hand, that just reminded me of a funny parody of the Wizard of Oz at the end of my all time favorite movie – Joe Dirt – starring David Spade, Kid Rock, and Dennis Miller. A conservative woman’s dream…in my opinion…mmmmmm

  • RKae

    Obama (and it appears most of the people posting here) need to learn the difference between slaves and indentured servants, which is often translated as “slaves.”

    People sold themselves into servitude when they were in debt. It was basically ancient Rome’s version of going on welfare.

  • Stephan the Original

    OK, as someone who is 6 years into a 9 year bible course, I find the ‘The bible supports slavery’ idea is a criticism that says more about the person making the criticism than what the Bible actually endorses.

    I understand, Alan, that you may just be repeating what you’ve heard and that a cursory level of reading some parts of the Bible appears to support, but there are several reasons why the ‘Slavery is OK by the Bible’ idea is just plain FALSE.

    Here are but a few reasons why:

    - Name the second book of the Bible and explain why it is called that.
    - What sort of things did God do to enact the reason for the name of that book?
    - What does doing those things say about what God thinks of slavery?
    - Does the fact that God referenced His actions here for centuries that followed tell you something? (see Deut 26:8, 29:25, Jos 2:10, 24:6, 24:17, Judges 2:1, 1 Sam 10:18, 1 Kings 8:16, Neh 9:17, Ps 81:10, Isa 10:26, Jer 7:25, 34:13, Eze 20:6, Dan 9:15, Hos 12:13, Amos 3:1, Mic 7:12, Acts 13:17, Heb 8:9… take note especially that this list is not REMOTELY exhaustive.)
    - Are you aware that most slavery in the time of Jesus was not as we understand it, but a solution for people who were destitute or fallen on hard times simply to SURVIVE?
    - What is worse – slavery of the soul to sin – or physical slavery? What did Jesus give us the opportunity to be freed from?

    That last one is especially pertinent an answer to that homosexual extremist Dan Savage’s infantile bullying anti-Christian rant ‘against bullying’ earlier this year. There is a great irony in claiming that you hold the moral high ground on slavery as you endorse a lifestyle which is precisely the worst kind of spiritual enslavement someone could undertake. Suck it up, Savage, you are FOR slavery of the very worst kind. You only condemn yourself.

    “So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.” (John 8:16)
    “Live as people who are free, not using your freedom as a cover-up for evil, but living as servants of God. (1 Pet 2:16)

    None of this mentions the ongoing historical achievement of the Christian Church in freeing men and women over the centuries – including that one of the greatest historical names in the abolitionist movement – Wilberforce – was a committed Christian, not some loopy latte-sipping leftie who thinks that the authority of the government makes stealing any less criminal.

    The ‘Bible supports slavery’ concept is shallow, obtuse and 100% wrong.

  • wingmann

    Right back atcha Jodie!

  • wingmann

    @Stephan the Original
    _______________________

    Nicely done!

  • TrickleUpPolitics

    Look at the Rassmussen poll: only 34% of Americans say Obama is a Christian.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/155315/Many-Americans-Cant-Name-Obamas-Religion.aspx

  • RKae

    Stephan the Original:

    Save that because you’ll have to post it again… and again… and again… and again…

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  • son of a preacher man

    Here’s from that 2nd book Stephan was talking about:

    And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death.

    Exodus 21:16

  • Bath House Barry

    Yo, who cares? The bible was written by a bunch of old white guys and it’s like 100 years old or something. gnomesayin?

  • Stephan the Original

    RKae, I’m happy for people to cut and paste whatever they need to silence any other moonbattery they come across…

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  • scgator2001

    This is what a MUSLIM does, he mocks Christianity. Muslims are haters, they are destroyers.

    Hussein is a radical Muslim destroying America $1 Trillion at a step.

    If you doubt that, why did he illegally attack Libya? Why does he support the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt? The MB is a terrorist organization with a representative in the White House.

    Americans are the biggest fools in history.

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