Beware the Unfriendly Skies
Janet “Uncle Mort” Napolitano’s Department of Homeland Security stands ready to use any means available to keep Americans safe, as we see in North Dakota:
A judge denied a request to dismiss charges Wednesday against Rodney Brossart, a man arrested last year after a 16-hour standoff with police at his Lakota, N.D., ranch. Brossart’s lawyer argued that law enforcement’s “warrantless use of [an] unmanned military-like surveillance aircraft” and “outrageous governmental conduct” warranted dismissal of the case, according to court documents obtained by U.S. News. …
Court records state that last June, six cows wandered onto Brossart’s 3,000 acre farm, about 60 miles west of Grand Forks. Brossart allegedly refused to return the cows, which led to a long, armed standoff with the Grand Forks police department. At some point during the standoff, Homeland Security, through an agreement with local police, offered up the use of an unmanned predator drone, which “was used for surveillance,” according to the court documents.
While our 2,000-mile-long border with collapsing Mexico remains undefended, the DHS is using military drones to settle a dispute over a handful of cows. Will these drones have to start shooting missiles at people whose cups of soda are too large before we figure out that something is wrong here?
Tip and graphic compliments of Zappatrust.
The ever-expanding police state situation is seemingly independent of politics, and concerns us all. Drone strikes *will* be coming to home soil.
Will these drones be there to help you when your town has suffered a major natural disaster and is descending into anarchy? Not likely.
Like most other tools of the police state, these drones are designed to do things to the people, not for the people.
It’s not a coincidence Nappy Head decided to first release the drones over a remote rural aria over a couple cows, especially since the cows in question wandered onto his property, meaning this should be simply a civil dispute.
When someones cows wander onto this property, one cannot simply hand over the keys.
They can become a safety issue (cattle are very powerful and unpredictable) plus the large amount of property damage that can result.
Also, I would like to hear Nangleator explain how reinstalling team Lightworker wouldn’t just escalate the use of these drones
Ghost of FA Hayek: “Also, I would like to hear Nangleator explain how reinstalling team Lightworker wouldn’t just escalate the use of these drones”
I’d love to answer, but I don’t understand the question at all.
My answer to the police state problem is slashing the budgets of all police departments, without letting them slash headcounts. Also, the management of police departments needs a serious overhaul.
My grandfather single-handedly stopped a bank robbery without firing a shot. The recent Sikh temple slaughter was stopped by a pair of cops that just walked in and ended it, rather than calling for a SWAT team. Those are the kind of cops we need.
Not the kind that call backup to help them taser a 7-month pregnant woman who refused to sign a ticket. Not the 50 cops that encircled the house of a flight attendant who popped an emergency chute and flounced off the job in world-class style. And not cops like this:
http://www.businessinsider.com/9-horrifying-botched-police-raids-2012-2?op=1
Nangleator says:
Want to slash police budgets? Stop coddling criminals and breeding crime using taxpayer dollars.
Law-abiding citizens can stop bank robberies, too. We need stand your ground in every state as well as a national concealed carry reciprocity compact.
Bring back the electric chair and make it the default for murderers and three-strike violent felons.
Legalize reefer and focus on the real crimes.
You and other leftists have been coddling criminals, breeding crime, and impeding law-abiding citizens for decades. Your way doesn’t work.
I’ve felt for a long time that cops should be forbidden to wear ninja costumes. SWAT teams are called in and primed for violence before they even get out of their $200,000 trucks, and they are called in for ever more trivial reasons every day. There are often simpler, less provocative ways of making an arrest, or executing a search warrant, or intimidating a child.
I don’t hate cops. If weapons are already in play, and a situation is already out of control, fine. Send in SWAT and take no prisoners. Do what you gotta do.
But if you call in a bunch of anonymous cops in military costumes, automatic weapons and face masks who have spent years training for violent confrontation, that’s what you’re very likely going to get. There is a culture of violence that gets built up over a period of time when people train for armed confrontation, and no matter how careful they think they are, an armed assault is going to be more likely to result in gunfire than a simple arrest. Not because cops are bad people, but because they are conditioned for violence. It seems that today, police are so convinced that overwhelming force is the safest way to address a problem, that’s the first card they play.
How many SWAT confrontations for relatively minor incidents could have been solved by simply doing a traffic stop as the suspect leaves work? How many search warrants require 20 heavily armed Ninjas with battering rams at the front door? Do we really want to turn into a police state?
so federal jurisdiction covers runaway bovines now?
good to know.
have we had enough TYRANNY YET?????
Great post, bobdog. I’m with you 100% on that.
AC: “Legalize reefer and focus on the real crimes.”
I’m with you there. Did you know the U.S. now has more prisoners than the Soviet Union ever had in the gulags? Both in terms of numbers and in percent of population. Crazy.
Ask yourself…
Which is the most likely scenario?
Either Obama’s prayers for a ‘white racist terrorist attack’ have suddenly and miraculously been answered, or the Sikh Temple Shootings were staged to create a narrative that will favor Obama’s efforts to implement gun control.
That Is Why People Are Starting To Wonder If The Sikh Temple Shootings Were Staged By Janet Incompetano’s DHS To Ban Guns.
Learn More Here… http://www.infowars.com/
While the American sheeple are busy watching “reality” TV, the Marxist-in-Chief, via the fat ugly dyke he put in charge of the Dept. of Homeland Stupidity, are doing everything they can to completely do away with democracy, freedom, and liberty. The last time this was done, the American people picked up arms and sent boatloads of red-coated dead bodies back to King George.
Sadly, that kind of strength, will, and love of country no longer exists. Now, all that’s left is to pay the price for our weakness.
This comparison is extremely offensive and ignorant. The population of the Gulag system was lower because life expectancy was not good. Prisoners were deliberately worked to death or shot for minor offenses. Disease took many more. Overcrowding was resolved through the liquidation of human beings.
For many groups, the ones who made it into Gulag were the lucky ones. Many more “class enemies” and “enemies of the people” were starved or shot before they made it into the system.
If you want to note that we have more people sitting in cells than China, that’s fine. Compare apples to apples. You’re comparing being locked up for pot, and getting three squares and cable, with being politically repressed and sent away (likely to die) in a communist concentration camp.
TODAY’S QUESTION
Have the liberty-despising, neo-Marxist Demoncrats doomed America to an endless series of third world-class ‘elections’ whose predetermined outcomes keep the ruling regime in power with 99% of the vote?
Bloodless Coup: “Which is the most likely scenario? Either Obama’s prayers for a ‘white racist terrorist attack’ have suddenly and miraculously been answered, or the Sikh Temple Shootings were staged to create a narrative that will favor Obama’s efforts to implement gun control.”
Bloodless, do you think, if Obama really wanted to do something about gun control… he’d actually do it? He’s the President of the United States. If he gets re-elected, he’ll only be the President of the United States. Why do you think he’s biding his time and fomenting slaughters? (I really like that theory… Obama gets a skinhead to sacrifice himself for Obama’s plans… yeah, that’ll work!)
I submit that if Obama wanted to do something about gun control, he would. Oh, wait! He actually HAS done something: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/federal-eye/2009/05/national_parks_gun_law_take_ef.html
He undid a Republican’s restriction on gun control. So, if you’re a one-issue kind of voter, vote Democrat from now on. To do otherwise is OPPRESSION!
“We seem to be moving steadily in the direction of a society where no one is responsible for what he himself did, but we are all responsible for what somebody else did, either in the present or in the past…”
–- Thomas Sowell
He’s biding his time for the same reason as most term-limited politicians: they know that incumbency has the advantage, as long as they don’t get too radical. Term limited politicians typically govern towards the center from their real views in their first terms.
Since they can’t do everything at once, they do the less controversial stuff in the first term so that they will be around for the second. For a ridiculously left-wing red diaper baby such as Obama, the passage of Porkulus, Obamacare, and Financial Deform, as well as the Fast and Furious gun trafficking scandal, are to be considered fairly moderate compared to his true views, which have yet to reveal themselves.
This was fact checked years ago and found to be a “pants on fire” claim.
Coburn staged a coup in the Senate and attached the carry provision as a rider to a bill Obama would not veto. Obama cannot line item veto an attachment. He chose credit card deform and gun carry instead of no credit card deform without gun carry.
Obama did not want that provision in there but was compelled to sign it anyway.
The expansion of carry to parks isn’t even that radical. What the amendment did was to help remove some of the arbitrary distinctions between state and Federal parks.
The carrying of weapons while engaged in nature/wilderness activities consistently polls very high with extremely strong bipartisan support. The only people opposed are usually the 15-20% of the kool-aid guzzling left who opposes anything gun related.
I’d bet you could get 15% of the public to support background checks, fingerprinting, and law enforcement interviews for the purchase of a different weight of recoil spring, just because it would be an inconvenience to law-abiding citizens.
Be very careful when you vote on Nov. 6 – the OBOZO regime will likely provide armed drones as air support for the New Black Panthers at all polling places.
AC: “This was fact checked years ago and found to be a “pants on fire” claim.”
Well, he actually DID sign it. He could have vetoed it, except he wanted the credit card customer protections. Doesn’t sound very fanatical to me. Helping most of the country at the expense of his ego maniacal goals?
Your definition of pants-on-fire isn’t the same as mine.
And you give evidence of Obama’s leftishness by listing Obamacare… a fundamentally Republican plan. Created by Republicans. Instituted in Massachusetts by a Republican governor. But Republicans couldn’t pull it off nationally… it required a brilliant politician to make it work.
Wait till the sky is full of drones. And the drones new enemy the drone killing drone. Then they counter with the anti- drone killing drone.
It will never end.
Nangleator says:
August 7, 2012 at 10:24 am
If he gets re-elected, he’ll ONLY be the President of the United States
You’re drowning me in your tears. But fortunately, it’s not too late to relocate to North Korea or Cuba and enjoy the left-wing dictatorship you so badly crave.
Whotothewhat: Welcome to the Military, Industrial, Congressional Complex.
My answer to the police state problem is slashing the budgets of all police departments, without letting them slash headcounts. Also, the management of police departments needs a serious overhaul.
Nangleator
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This statement is a little “out there”, (but if you hang on, I will get to the part we agree on) Most of these police dept’s are under local control. It’s a “here” thing. I say the counties and cities should judge just how much policing they need.
Besides, the vast majority of police blunders are checked by the free wheeling doors of the court system
So you want to slash the “police state”
How about we start with the Dept of Homeland security ?
Terrorism will be stopped by a vigilant public anyway. I have never even seen a DHS cop before.
Any jurisdictional issues could be handled by an FBI with the bureaucratic tape removed from their ankles and wrists.
Next, we can move to the TSA I still have faith in private security for. airports. Don’t you think airlines have a vested interest in keeping their planes from being blown to smithereens ? Bet they could do it without the Proctology training, don’t you ?
Then let’s try the army of IRS agents now in charge of making sure you take your (socialized) medicine And how many agents would actually be required to enforce a flat tax ?
How about the EPA ?
Why can’t the states regulate their own enviroments ?
Wait, they do. The EPA is just another pile on.
Railroad Retirement Board ?????
Did you know Amtrak has it’s own police paid for by you ?
Engraving and Printing police to protect those presses, and the US Mint, for those empty vaults that once were filled with gold
And even a police force for TARP, just to be sure all that money is WASTED properly
Big Bro gets green light…
Domestic drone justice: US court green-lights police UAV use
http://rt.com/usa/news/domestic-drone-court-ruling-743/
Ghost of FA Hayek: “So you want to slash the “police state” How about we start with the Dept of Homeland security ?”
Oh, yes, please! We didn’t and don’t need a police/intelligence force above the FBI and CIA.
And TSA is wasteful security theater.
“How about the EPA ? Why can’t the states regulate their own enviroments ?”
Because environmental poisons don’t obey state lines. It’s easy to imagine a state that’s all about giving industry everything they want, and bordering states actually wanting to raise healthy children.
The army of armed IRS agents forcing people to do who-knows-what is a myth. Yes, the IRS needed some budget help. The reason, from DailyKos:
“The Affordable Care Act provided a tax credit for small businesses who wanted to start offering their employees health insurance as one of the provisions that took effect immediately. Small business started claiming that credit at a good clip. The IRS is in charge of overseeing those tax credits. They’ll also be in charge of administering the subsidies to help low-income people buy insurance when that provision goes into effect in a couple of years, and have to prepare for that implementation.”
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