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Aug 29 2011

Fed Crackdown on Gibson Guitar Explained

Now we know why the Obama Regime put its “boot on the neck” of Gibson Guitar. It isn’t about building guitars from oppressed wood; it’s about politics:

One of Gibson’s leading competitors is C.F. Martin & Company. The C.E.O., Chris Martin IV, is a long-time Democratic supporter, with $35,400 in contributions to Democratic candidates and the DNC over the past couple of election cycles. According to C.F. Martin’s catalog, several of their guitars contain “East Indian Rosewood.” In case you were wondering, that is the exact same wood in at least ten of Gibson’s guitars.

As for Gibson’s political support,

Henry E. Juszkiewicz, Gibson’s Chief Executive Officer, is a donor to a couple of Republican politicians. According to the Open Secrets database, Juszkiewicz donated $2000 to Rep. Marsha Blackburn (R-TN07) last year, as well as $1500 each to Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-TN). Juszkiewicz also has donated $10,000 to the Consumer Electronics Association, a PAC that contributed $92.5k to Republican candidates last year, as opposed to $72k to Democrats.

The raid served no legitimate purpose. Gibson was not even accused of violating any American law, but was shut down by armed storm troopers for allegedly violating picayune procedures India wants people to follow regarding the nationality of those who work with certain wood. Indian officials have better things to do that prosecute such cases, but not our Injustice Department, which is heeding Comrade Obama’s call to “punish our enemies.”

The bigger government gets, the more inevitable this sort of tyranny becomes.

broken-les-paul
The price of donating to the wrong party.

Hat tip: Big Hollywood. On tips from Austin, Chris, Bill T, Katya Kakhov, and StanInTexas.

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  • Zim

    Stalin worked the same way.

  • anon

    MY God! You’ve uncovered quite a conspiracy!

    I believe you guys, becasue moonbattery and landmark report are familiar enough with Martin vs. Gibson’s wood precurement procedures and the domestic and treaty-enforced international environmental statutes that apply here.

    Or, this is a baseless conspiracy theory by political hacks for one-party rule or compensated Republican party operatives.

    Hmmmm, I wonder which one it is….

  • Mickey Shea

    Douchebaggery

  • anon

    And just for good measure, someone has to show complete and utter misunderstanding of history AND the political times we live in by comparing modern political parties to Stalin or Hitler, who combined killed 20 million people.

    I’m so happy that I’m not as stupid and/or (but probably and) uneducated as Zim. AT least I can thank God for that.

  • StanInTexas

    Anon, once your knee stops jerking and you are able to calm down, you may want to read the associated articles. The salient points are…

    1) Gibson broke no US laws
    2) Martin uses the EXACT SAME WOOD that is the basis of the raid

    Is it a coincidence that they raided a GOP doner and not a Democrat donor? Perhaps. But with the history of selective law-enforcement by this justice department, that HAS to be a consideration.

  • wait

    Someday Anon, you will realize that you have lost your freedom. It will be too late then.

  • Geeknerd

    One of the reasons why Clinton sic’ed Janet Reno on Microsoft was that they didn’t donate enough money to the Democratic Party.

    This is why rich corporations pay big bucks to the Democrats; it’s a protection racket. If you don’t pay, they come after you by fair means or foul. Just ask Boeing.

    And employers are just being mean and greedy by not hiring new people (Sarcasm)

    Oh, and anon? get a job. Oh, that’s right, you can’t.

  • anon

    Ahhh – the most trite of internet horeshit. “YOu need to calm down!”. Because some can ascertain mood from email. Anyway….

    “1) Gibson broke no US laws”

    ACcording to 2 right wing sites. Why bother looking elsewhere?

    http://soundandfair.org/gibson-guitars-fails-to-overturn-illegal-madagascan-rosewood-and-ebony-charge

    “2) Martin uses the EXACT SAME WOOD that is the basis of the raid”

    And how did they get it? Most of these laws work the same way: you can have that wood or that fish, but you can only have so much, and that needs to be verified.

    That’s like having you haveing 2 walleye and me having 22, then telling Fish and Game “but we had the EXACT SAME FISH!!!!!”.

    Now, I’m not sure who’s right. But I’m damn sure that Blount or Landmark could give 2 shits about the truth. They have a job to do, truth be damned.

  • StanInTexas

    Anon,

    So simply by stating that Blount and Landmark are lying, you somehow think you are making a point? VERY typical of you.

    I notice how you DELIBERATELY did not address the selective law enforcement of this administration.

    Come back when your medication kicks in.

  • anon

    “Someday Anon, you will realize that you have lost your freedom. It will be too late then.”

    And this is the crux of the horseshit.

    People like Blount et al. have a purpose. It’s to make these times seem very dangerous and dire so that you vote Republican.

    Then, when the Republicans win, the Democrats and their Blount-equivalents will demonize that POTUS, and tell us the time is nigh, and he’s going to make himself president for life and…oh wait – they already did that with W.

    Meanwhile, the 2 parties chug on and keep their cozy position with business and other interests. All becasue people like you buy into these doomsday scenarios that are nothing but cynical strategies by political parties.

    ….or, be a little skeptical and stop behaving like a schill.

  • StanInTexas

    The interesting thing, Anon, is your reaction to the senario you noted…

    …the Democrats and their Blount-equivalents will demonize that POTUS, and tell us the time is nigh, and he’s going to make himself president for life and…oh wait – they already did that with W.

    None of that came to fruition, and yet you still view those Democrats and Liberals as having some level of credibility. We on the right treat out nutcases like NUTCASES, whereas you and your ilk continue to re-elected uour nutcases and sit in awe, listening and believing their every word.

  • anon

    Anon,

    “So simply by stating that Blount and Landmark are lying, you somehow think you are making a point? VERY typical of you.”

    I have a “typical”? How can that be?

    And yes, I’m making the point that they’re lying to push political outrage (propaganda). If either Blount or Landmark had any respect for you at all, they’d tell the whole story and let you decide. Guess what?

    “I notice how you DELIBERATELY did not address the selective law enforcement of this administration.”

    Or of the Bush admin. Or Clinton. Why not? Becasue we’re talking about the Gibson case, which you now desperately don’t want to talk about. I don’t blame you. So now that I’ve shown that Blount is lying to you, the discussion has to turn to an exhaustive discussion of Obama’s DOJ and all of the allegations of selective enforcement? That’s a whole blog, Stan.

    And you’re changing the subject.

    “Come back when your medication kicks in.”

    Finding the other side of that story is now defined as insanity. Nice

    Listen – if you’re OK with Blount treating you like this, that’s fine. It’s up to you.

    PErsonally, I like the truth. And I like someone who’s dealing with me straight, not giving me bits and pieces to get me to do what they want.

  • TheDarkEricDraven

    I’m sure there is another side to it…or you know, maybe not. I don’t like Obama, as I’ve said, but I don’t like most politicians. Maybe there is a conspiracy. I don’t know.

  • dmgore

    @anon
    “And just for good measure, someone has to show complete and utter misunderstanding of history AND the political times we live in by comparing modern political parties to Stalin or Hitler, who combined killed 20 million people.”
    Thank goodness no one on the left did that circa 2000-2008.
    DM

  • StanInTexas

    Anon, you have yet to prove that either Blount or Landmark are lying. The case you sited is from JANUARY and is not related to this case. Just because they had imprt issue in the past does not mean this case has merit. Unless you think it woudl be OK to arrest you from murder becasue you had a speeding ticket in January.

    The point of this post IS selective enforcement of the law, Anon. Two companies use the same wood in their manufacturing process. The DOJ has an issue with the wood and goes after ONLY ONE of the companies.

    The only reason you have no issue with this, in your conspiracy laden fog is that it is Obama doing it and someone on the Right is getting the short-end.

    And as far as respect goes, I got this story from numerous other sites. I am not as shallow as you to expect respect from others. The truth is the truth, no matter how many ways YOU try to spin it.

  • JamesJ

    All Hail Obama!
    All Hail the State!
    Am I doing it right, Anon?

  • GoY

    “Conspiracy” isn’t really the mot juste. This is a political shakedown, clean and simple.

    Iowahawk’s take: Iowahawk
    New Scandal at DoJ as Illegal Guitars End Up In Hands of Mexican Drug Lords
    .

  • SPURWING PLOVER

    Hitler and stalin would be so proud of obama and his imperial storm troopers

  • anon

    “Just because they had imprt issue in the past does not mean this case has merit. Unless you think it woudl be OK to arrest you from murder becasue you had a speeding ticket in January.”

    No, it would be like arresting you for murder now becasue you murdered someone in January. And wouldn’t a truthful blog give you the whole story – including that fact that the company broke the same law 6 months ago>

    You’re the worst kind of politico Stan. You believe anything one side says with no proof whatsoever, and you will schill for them no matter how wrong they are shown to be.

    Why would either party strive to be honest when people like you are perfectly happy to be given a bunch of BS.

  • anon

    All Hail Obama!
    All Hail the State!
    Am I doing it right, Anon?

    And here’s my other favorite type of propaganda slave, repeating the vague nonsense he was told to repeat. Everyone who’ not a dyed in the wool conservative is a slavish communist worshipping Obama.

    Vague, vague, vague and substance free. Another propaganda slave does as he’s told and buys into the false binary that is American 2 party propaganda.

    Obama may be a failure, but face it: W was a failure too. And they’ll keep stealing our money and failing until people like you and STan wake up and stop doing their bidding.

  • angryK9

    anon….you are one special kind of idiot.

  • anon

    “Hitler and stalin would be so proud of obama and his imperial storm troopers”

    SPURWING PLOVER is a propaganda slave.

  • anon

    angryK9 is a propaganda slave.

  • anon

    TheDarkEricDraven is not a propaganda slave:

    “I’m sure there is another side to it…or you know, maybe not. I don’t like Obama, as I’ve said, but I don’t like most politicians. Maybe there is a conspiracy. I don’t know.”

    Well said.

  • ant

    anon@ using a wood for musical instruments that is ‘illegal’ simply because of an executive/un-elected department,and therefore, un-Constitutional mandate (and what appears to be a shakedown/revenge scenario) is akin to murder? not to mention the comment, “Why should either party strive to be honest…” People like you make it so much easier for corruption to thrive.

  • anon

    “anon@ using a wood for musical instruments that is ‘illegal’ simply because of an executive/un-elected department,and therefore, un-Constitutional mandate (and what appears to be a shakedown/revenge scenario) is akin to murder?”

    No, read the post by Stan that I was responding to more carefully, as well as the link I provided for Stan and you’ll understand why I said that.

    “People like you make it so much easier for corruption to thrive.”

    Exactly the opposite is true. I believe neither party, and base my opinions on verifiable facts. Or have the audacity to say “I don’t know” is in fact I don’t know.

    People who take one side no matter what are the problem. I’m guessing that’s you, since you know nothing about this case yet are prattling on as though you do becasue “your” side told you that they were right.

    So you do no fact checking and blindly follow one side, but “People like [me] make it so much easier for corruption to thrive.”? Maybe you need to look in a mirror.

    And then get some skepticism and fact check EVERYONE, even Republicans and Tea Partiers.

  • Carmen

    America has murdered over 50million US citizens via enlightening genocide. Does that compare to Stalin’s numbers??

  • ent

    From what I’ve read, this seems to be more a matter of payback for Gibson being a non-union company which relocated some years ago to a right-to-work state. That would be perfectly in keeping with the Obama administration’s special treatment of union thugs and persecution of those who won’t roll over.

  • Grunt

    Cup gently and squeeze the cheeks…mind the teeth don’t scrape.

    Y’know, it’s interesting that folks haveta go through so much trouble to give another so much grief. Good little Alinskyite…

    Must mean Mr. Blount is doing something the Leftists don’t like: pointing out an “inconvenient truth”.

    So, Anon–do you happen to know for certain sure exactly how much wood Gibson had, in relation to how much wood Martin had? Do point us to the information. I notice you don’t really have that…interesting.

    And didn’t those first confiscations at Gibson have something to do with some antique pianos as well (don’t remember, really).

    Either way, it is an odd coincidence that one “side” seems to get a greast deal of negative press versus the other. For example a couple days ago, a poster called “lao” made it a point to highlight the sexual misconduct of cetrtain senators on the Republican side and asked “why hasn’t this been reported here?”

    The answer: because it was reported ad nauseum everywhere else. Every gaffe and flub made by a conservative is given marquis-attention in the media, while equally disgusting idiots that Obama throws under the bus fade into anonymity.

    Rarely does it happen to remain in the news for long.
    It’s also not the fault of the folks here on the conservative side that most of the deviants are on the LEFT, politically.

    After all, it seems traditional values that preserve the people and the support a more morally decent lifestyle have a tendency to keep out of much of what goes on on the left.

    For the record, I’m not a republican; I’m an independent with conservative values. I’m aware of multiple parties outside of the D and R…but my values will lead my vote.

  • TheDarkEricDraven

    Really Grunt? Thats why David didn’t report the gay Republicans? If I recall, thats also why he TOTALLY FORGOT ABOUT THE NORWAY BOMBER after he turned out to be Christian. Because it was already covered everywere else. As totally for real plausible that is, its rather funny David himself doesn’t say anything to his defense. He probably doesn’t even know though. His brain must block out stuff he doesn’t want to hear.

  • Fiberal

    TheDumEricDrivel,

    Look at the name of the site.

    Its about liberal stupidity.

    And there’s a heckofa lot to cover.

    Got it now, Drivel?

  • Garpin

    Dave, is anon Gunther?

    While I would like to believe there is no conspiracy here when it comes to liberal contributions driving an outcome, this administration DOES have a history in that regard.

    Reference:http://sweetness-light.com/archive/statement-from-screwed-gm-bondholders

  • carl

    Wasn’t there a bit of a ruckus raised over equal treatment a few years back?

  • TheDarkEricDraven

    Ah, suppose so Fib, but he only talked about Norway because of he thought, with no evidence, it was connected to Islam. Of course, by saying that, are you admiting David stopped caring about the deaths as soon as they stopped serving the purpose of being an excuse to demonize a religion he hates?

  • Adam

    Garpin,
    I don’t think Obama is Goonturd.
    He doesn’t really display the similar trolling techniques/ writing styles that Goonturd uses (An easy way to find Goonturd’s sock puppets, as there is very little variance in his trolling styles), doesn’t rely as heavily on name- calling and strawmen, and is critical of both Dems and Repubs. Of course, it’ll be up to Blount to determine by scanning IP addresses, but right now I have my doubts.
    “I don’t like Obama, as I’ve said,”
    I don’t remember you saying that. I do, however, remember you in the past saying that you think Obama is good, and that we’re the only people you’ve ever seen display any unhappiness with him. Why the sudden inconsistency?

  • richard40

    So basically Gibson, and prominent us manufacturer and employer, may be run out of business with a totally BS raid. That is bad enough, but now it looks like the raid was based on cronyism, favoritism, and corruption, typical Obama. When will america wake up and realize this contemptable crook must go.

  • https://twitter.com/TheWrightWingv2 TheWrightWing

    Reward your friends, and punish your enemies. Welcome to Hope & Change.

  • Cameraman

    Hey! Anon, the stories from Dave are the Truth,Why do I know: Rush said all you need to know about Liberals is THEY LIE! There fixed it for Ya!

  • http://moonbattery.com/ Dave Blount

    @Garpin,
    No, anon doesn’t seem to be Gunther.

  • h.

    Fuck Martin, I’m going to go home and do a Belushi on my D-28.

    Just kidding.

  • Fiberal

    Two things Drivel,

    “he only talked about Norway because of he thought, with no evidence, it was connected to Islam.”

    What else would a rational person think today? Muslims have comitted thousands of acts of Jihad around the world since 9-11 (9-11….remember that?). Where are all the Christian counterparts that would lead one to think in terms of balance?

    You libs try to pass yourselves off as rationalists, cooly reserving judgement due to your elevated sense of educated skepticism, when in fact your judgement and trained skepticism flies out the window at the first sight of a black man. You liberals fell all over yourselves for BO, a con man, racist, muslim and affirmative action moron.

    So liberals have no credibility in trying to pass themselves off as non-judgmental and no business running around looking for other people’s mistakes.

    “are you admiting David stopped caring about the deaths as soon as they stopped serving the purpose of being an excuse to demonize a religion he hates?”

    No. I’m admitting that you are an idiot and a waste of time.

    Now answer my question: how are you getting through the security questions?

  • TheDarkEricDraven

    “No. I’m admitting that you are an idiot and a waste of time.”

    Nice avoidence of the question there. Thats exactly what Davey did. See, you have your head so far up your ass you reach out through your mouth.

  • son of a preacher man

    “…I’m going to go home and do a Belushi on my D-28.

    Just kidding. ”

    That is not funny. I had a mini anxiety attack before I got to the “just kidding” part. There are somethings in life you just don’t joke about. (unlike this post)

  • Grunt

    TheDarkEricDraven says:
    August 29, 2011 at 11:22 am

    “Really Grunt?”

    Aww…defendin’ your very first E-Bj. It’d be cute if it wasn’t so sad.

    Oh, an’ “Phsaw! Yeah, RLY.”

    As others have said, this site is the place to find stuff you WON’T find in the mainstream because it points out the hypocrisy, arrogance, and stupidity that’s become known as the liberal left, lovingly referred often as “Dhimmocrats”.

    If the media stuck to being neutral, it would report the truth on both sides. It does not. The media sold us Obama…you get lied to hard enough, you’ll lose trust.

    “Thats why David didn’t report the gay Republicans? Yadda-yadda….”

    What difference does any of this make to you anyway…? You have said yourself you don’t care about politics, just LGBT issues, right? The EXCLUSIVE reason those stories make it into the news–interestingly, always with a negative twist, no? Like it’s bad enough to be GAY, but to be REPUBLICAN and gay is an anathema. Funny how that works, ain’t it?

    Once again, the hypocrisy of the left is glaring: it’s only okay to be gay if there’s a “D” on your voter card, otherwise, it’s a slur against you.

    “TOTALLY FORGOT ABOUT THE NORWAY BOMBER after he turned out to be Christian.”

    Apparently, you’ve left out details regarding the NB’s “religious allegiance”. But I don’t expect a li’l commie in training (read: sense of entitlement, spoiled little perverted drone who spouts leftist ideology) like you to know…especially if you don’t really care. Which you have said.

    Repeatedly.

    “Because it was already covered everywere else. As totally for real plausible that is…”

    So, really, you argue strictly to argue; your conviction is as weak as your premises.

    Why don’t you go play hacky-sack on the interstate?

    “His brain must block out stuff he doesn’t want to hear.”

    This said by one who has his own tongue so far up his ass he can taste breakfast. You should get along better if this is the case; he’s doing the exact same thing you do. {“Whatever.”}

    But really, I think it’s because Mr. Blount–unlike you–has more life to live than time to sit at his computer; most likely because he–unlike you–isn’t just some taker.

    I hadda laugh here:
    “See, you have your head so far up your ass you reach out through your mouth.”

    No-no….that’s an “F”, not an “L” at the start of his handle.

    Besides, aren’t queers like you interested in tossing the salad? No, wait…you’re only claiming to be homo/gender-shifted/”LGBT”…

    …you’re really a wishy-washy little punk who’ll just take what he can get, vacillating from one thrill to the next. ‘Coz if you’s boy and you like little girls and are currently “dating” a girl (is her name “Palmela”, perchance?), you interests are established….and like it or not, you ain’t gay or bi, you’re just pathetic and desperate. Much so, that you have to prey on little kids because others your own age don’t take you seriously.

    So show us where we’re supposed to see the excesses and the difference between Gibson or Martin; I’d bet you can’t find any. It’s simply a way to reduce monies to a competitor and hurt opposition, just like over blowing one senator seeking out a quickie with a gay prostitute on craigslist, and trying to reduce the public’s awareness that Senator Weenie was soliciting high-school girls with his photos as well as other women. One chick was even bragging she was going to take him to PROM. (Means the horny pol KNEW she was underage, no matter how he tries to deny it!)

    “Do as I say, not as I do.” Libtard hypocrisy reigns. But according to the Rules, the Lefto-Commies don;t have to play by the rules over and above stooping to any level to win.

    Union teachers know that private schooling is superior, so they rail against their competition–it’s not about the “Children”, it’s about a bunch of selfish adults keeping cushy jobs.

    “Gibson’s using protected woods in it’s products?” OH NOES! (Never mind they are the exact same as Martin’s! Gibson contributes to the Other Side! We can’t have that!” It’s not about the materials…they have broken no laws…but the Dhimmis in charge like their jobs and hey, if they can bleed the enemy dry, so be it!

    It’ll always surprise the enemy when the underdog continues to remain on top. They just don’t get it.

  • Zeke

    Notice; The Lib always start with the #@%$&!-ing whenever they’re losing the argument. It’s a defense mechanism. I challenge you to read any blog discussion between them and a knowledgeable conservative. Libs swear first every time. It’s all they have, really.

  • ant

    anon@, “I don’t believe either party.” Whoopty-friggin’-do for you! Tell me, when did a guitar builder become a political party? Tool!

  • TheDarkEricDraven

    Fine, Grunt. Then I fully expect David to never report a popular story. Ever. I would point out that the Norway bombings were big and posted everywere, but you would just say it was only because the guy was Christian, which is a lie, but you’ll say it anyway. See, ultimitly, it doesn’t matter to you. Whatever offers a convient defense. David’s only intrest was a reason to yell about Muslims. As soon as he had no excuse, he ran away and forgot it ever happend.

  • TheDarkEricDraven

    And about the gay republicans: The fact of the matter is, David WOULD report about them if they were Democrats. Its only negative to you or him if its Democratic. Thats what I’m pointing out.

  • Grunt

    No, Logan.

    Gay is bad because it’s UNNATURAL and WRONG and there is no NATURAL, cellular state that “makes” us gay.

    It has nothing to do with anything. outside of that.
    You wanna be gay, fine…I don’t want my taxes supporting your high-risk choice, and I DON’T think you or any other queer deserves to be a minority or a “class” (mainly because the ‘in your face about their sex life” types HAVE NO CLASS.).

    You want health care, do like the rest of us: BUY IT.

    You wanna be gay, keep it in your bedroom! That’s what the queers whined for in the sixties and seventies! “Leave us to ourselves and our bedrooms! Keep outta our bedrooms! Wahh! All we want is to be left alone!”

    Look at how treating their wishes with respect has rewarded us. In the dark, this cancer has metastasized into something that creates minds like yours.

    Once again, since you’re apparently too stupid to see that it’s been said: There is no point in echoing what the mainstream news outlets feed the sheep each day, we come to sites like this one for news on the stupidity of the left. Lord knows there is plenty.

  • TheDarkEricDraven

    Sure. If you want that to be your defense. Doesn’t explain why David didn’t report about them, but sure. Still doesn’t explain Norway too.

  • Grunt

    First of all, as my memory serves correctly, since Mr. Blount runs this site, he can report as he sees fit.

    That means he doesn’t have to pander to your kind of person, which is fine by me.

    When you grow up and stop being a taker, and can have your very own moneys, you can make a site of your own that caters to your interests; if this site falls short of that, feel free to use that dandy little “X” in the corner.

    Outsidea that, I could care less what you ‘anticipate”, “expect” or “approve” of for this site. As far as a lack of explanations go, it’ll be a cold day in hell before anyone owes you anything ove a swift kick in the pants.

    You wanna see coverage on this or that, this site has archives, search for yourself. You’re only riding this point because someone came in, trolled and left, not because you care.

    So there’s your answer; if you really, really wanna know, look in the archives.

    MoonBattery is ONE news source on the interwebs; expecting Mr. Blount to be responsible for reporting every single thing to the satisfaction of every single person who visits this site would be an exercise in lunacy.

    But hey, if you can do better, you go right on ahead.

    Otherwise, why don’t you just do the world a favour and dry up.

    Why don’t you make a site that proved being a queer is healthy and natural? What is that mechanism, by the way…you never got around to giving me a real answer.

    I don’t have to define a soul for anyone to know they have something remotely akin…but you said that somehow being a homo is “in the soul”….well, what’s the mechanism that put it there?

  • TheDarkEricDraven

    *Sigh* And once again you feel the need to jump headfirst off topic. Tell me, Grunt: What is a soul? Please. Educate me and all the other enlightend masses. It seems you know everything. Well, not really, but realitys never stopped you before.

  • Noelegy

    Well, I for one am glad that the DOJ has solved all the serious problems pressing us today and therefore has time to go after Gibson!

  • Grunt

    First of all, DorkLogan, educating you is like trying to nail jello to a tree. (That’s the nicest version of how I’ll put it.)

    Second, no explanation I offer you will be suitable, as thus far, nothing anyone has tried to clarify to you is adequate in your eyes. Whatta GOOD li’l liberal sheep!

    “Always attack, never defend.” See how it works? See, I clarified my position on a few occasions for you, and it wouldn’t be acceptable to you.

    Speaking of off topic (like you have ANY room to balk when someone else does it!), I believe you’re missing the whole point behind my question in your futile attempts to dodge. You see, you have yet to provide an adequate explanation for your “mechanism” (a reality), where your sudden ‘demand’ (provided by a nice anon, because you lack the intelligence to actually come up with it yourself) has indeed been met by no less that two other posters here, and meself. Just because you fail to see it, doesn’t mean it isn’t there.

    But hey, it seems to have gotten you distracted from providing any proof that Martin is more on the level than Gibson! Let’s toss the gauntlet to you! You can’t tell me you know for sure that Gibson is 100 percent guilty beyond any shadow of a doubt…and you can’t prove that Martin is absolutely blameless…but the polarity between the two companies is rather interesting; what an incredible coincidence!

    During a time when when we have the most crooked, back-handed elitists in the highest positions in the nation, and all of a sudden–just before an election cycle–there’s some mysterious force trying to choke out the competition. What a strange, odd, COMPLETELY INCIDENTAL peculiarity!

    Like any other time before, since the ‘mechanism’ question had originally been posed to you, I anticipated that you’d dodge answering it and try and hit me with what you think is your best shot.

    What difference would my interpretation of the human soul make to you? In multiple threads, you have insisted that the Christian religion is nothing more than bull and “oogedy boogedy” (once again, something provided by yet another spineless anon because you lack originality to come up with it on your own), so the explanation I would offer would be based on a Christian ideology.

    Thus, no point I could make would meet with your approval–and it’s not that you care or wish to understand others, it’s all about the fun of getting a response. Any response. You don’t want to be enlightened, you just wanna troll because you’re a helpless little dupe that has absolutely no control over his own life, over himself, or over anything.

    YAWN and FAIL, DorkLogan…you’re a discredit to your family, yourself, and may even be responsible for affirming the typical ignorant hypocrite lazy dumb ass that the “more enlightened’ see in your portion of ‘flyover country’.

    No wonder Bill Clinton thought the way he did…must be something in the water there.

  • Spock

    anon – you need to go back to school first Hitler kill 12 million, Stalin made Hitler pale in comparison, he killed over 50 million, and you think thats bad Mau of China (which by the way CZAR Obama like to be leader of) makes them both pale with over 100 million.

    But hers the kicker the Liberl/Socialist policies of America and Europe is responsible since the 60′s of over 20 Billion Deaths. Between Africa, Europe and the US.

    Now Obama is acting just like Hitler and Stalin combined – attacking his political enemies, why do you think the Lib talking point now is attack the Tea Party they are trying to marginalize them even though they are a majority of beliefs for the American People.

    You Drones do not learn from true History, see Hitler used the Jews as an enemy to take power, Stalin used us, the libs are using Global Warming, Racism, fear fear, and more fear!!

    If you know history then you know the Libs are the most racist group around. they want to control your liberities!!

    I have learned how people joined cults from this, all these drones are like an Obama Cult!!

  • Sluggo

    I guess Anon realized it’s hopeless but he/she (from my “educated skeptic” POV) was right on. There really is no point in engaging the far right. They say the same things over and over…and I don’t really care what any of you think so don’t bother to respond. Waste of your time. I saw this story come up on FOX (muted with Neil Cavuto) and immediately assumed it would be an anti-Obama story as my Dad and I were watching it come up. What a surprise. There is no reason to question what you see on FOX – it’s SO fair and balanced). Gosh – just like the ACORN story, the Black Panther story, and the $800 million Obama trip to India story – just take in the anti-Obama soundbite and move on. So I am sure that this story is EXACTLY as portrayed on FOX> It is nothing but the over-reach of Obama’s DOJ storm troopers, as retribution against Gibson’s CEO for being a Republican donor, and these “Stalinist” techniques are just a preview of what’s to come as the Obama SS are going to come door to door for your guns and your money and your young white daughters…If you people had the ability to stand back and take a look at yourselves…a slight reality check might show you how irrational these fears are. You might even begin to watch the FOX infotainment, “opinion journalism” with a little more critical analysis. It sucks when Grandpa gets sucked into the fake outrage and fear-mongering but we have half the country tuned into the “hate-stream media”.

    Don’t bother responding, especially if your English grammar and spelling is worse than that of most illegal immigrants.

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