Oct
04
2012
The Debate: Before and After
Before last night’s debate:
After:
Have fun spinning this, media moonbats.
Compliments of Merchant of Venom. Tip from Shawn.
Before last night’s debate:
After:
Have fun spinning this, media moonbats.
Compliments of Merchant of Venom. Tip from Shawn.
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Themocracy
His Majesty King Putt is still in shock. As a Quota Queen he’s never been challenged in public like that. In point of fact the LSM are who caused this. They’ve NEVER challenged him and so he just can’t handle it because he’s never dealt with it. ha ha ha ha ha
It’s so nice when those chickens come home to roost.
Smirk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKMUHcgsbag&feature=player_embedded
After OBOZO’s devastating, humiliating loss in the first debate with Romney over IDEAS (which is ALWAYS a major weakness of d-cRAT socialist extremists), the OBOZO campaign has come up with a way for them to do better in the next debate. Instead of the sending in their tiny, little man to spout his old tired baseless leftist cliches, they will simply place AN EMPTY CHAIR behind his podium. The chair certainly couldn’t do worse than OBOZO – and might even do better.
But the bottom line is: Romney showed up to do the job, while OBOZO simply expected his socialist media stooge to, as always, cover his A.
Don’t underestimate the power of fraud and deceit that this group is capable of inflicting upon us!
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I just realized what mr.hypoxia’s strategy was….Now he is trying to get the
“I feel sorry for this guy vote”.WELL TS!
Btw..Am having free steak night at my place for the premier of the Ryan/biden shellacking show.
The debate proves that Mitt is a mean old racist. If he wasn’t a mean old racist, he would have just conceded to the liberals’ idiot.
Romney didn’t exceed expectations, he redefined them. He was the grown-up in the room. He was so in command I was actually embarrassed for Obama…and enjoying every second of it.
Now, to the guys like Island who will say “It doesn’t matter, we’re dying as a nation, we’re doomed, it’s over” I say “America will never fail as long as we have our spirit and God’s grace”. After seeing that chickenshit punk put in his place last night (and watching a Frank Luntz focus group of independent voters…half of which USED to support Obama, but now are solid for Romney), I can only say “WE AIN’T DONE YET!”
By the way, AARP just said they no longer want Obama’s name associated with any of their advertising. Got that? A fricking ARP!! Barack is finding out how it feels under the bus. Not very comfy, is it punk?
Gonna be a good day today.
Sounds good wingman. I’ll bring the beer. Dead Guy Ale might be an appropriate brew…
What’s going on in that “before” pix, is he getting a Lewinsky?
MaryHunter – maybe Reggie is bowing before him?
The MaryHunter says:
October 4, 2012 at 10:43 am
What’s going on in that “before” pix, is he getting a Lewinsky?
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There’s a reason he picked Joe Biden for vp..
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AARP is trying to distance themselves from Obama now, but it is likely too little, too late. Since they helped him pass ObamaCare, one of the most devastating government scams ever:
“While we respect the rights of each campaign to make its case to voters, AARP has never consented to the use of its name by any candidate or political campaign,” the group posted in a statement. “AARP is a nonpartisan organization and we do not endorse political candidates nor coordinate with any candidate or political party.”
Obama can perhaps be forgiven for thinking he could mention AARP given how they coordinated with him to pass Obamacare, which is a golden goose for the organization.
“Thanks to its cuts to Medicare Advantage, Obamacare is expected to expand the number of seniors buying “medigap” supplemental insurance plans,” The Washington Examiner explained in an editorial. “AARP controls 34 percent of the market for such plans. According to a 2011 House Ways and Means Committee report, AARP stands to make between $55 million and $166 million from Obamacare in 2014 alone.”
http://washingtonexaminer.com/aarp-to-obama-dont-mention-us-again/article/2509844#.UG3MN67udac
Poor Barry. Maybe he should have just said “Hey, I’m just here to be eye candy.” I can’t wait to watch Ryan use Biteme for a toilet brush.
I laughed out loud when I saw algore’s excuse for obama’s pathetic attempt to debate. He said he only went to Denver that afternoon, so he didn’t have time to adjust to the high altitude. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! HAHA! HA.
So expect algore’s new crusade to be leveling the earth’s surface so everybody is at the same altitude. Yup, cut down the mountains and fill in the valleys. It’s not fair his boy has to adjust.
And BTW….happy anniversary…
was that mean..should I have not said that…NAH!
I just heard obama has”unfriended”Romney on facebook…bwahahahaha.
Second pic must have been taken after 3 minutes alone with Big Mooch.
Owl Gore actually blamed the altitude? Actually this might catch on in the left wing media. A recall that one of the Pittsburgh Steelers can no longer play games in Denver after his sickle cell blew out a couple of internal organs – including his spleen. Does Obama have sickle cell?
Can the next debate he in Denver again? LOL!
Granny Jan (or anyone else up to the challenge)…
“If you vote for me, I will work just as hard for you in my second term as I did during my first” B H Obama
Visuals:
Obama on the golf course
Obama shooting hoops
Obama on his bicycle
Obama on vacation
Obama on the golf course
Obama on the view
Obama on late night TV
Obama yucking it up with David Letterman.
I think such a YouTube could go viral.
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Love Romney flipping liberals the Big Bird last night..
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The after debate pic is awesome, imagine what it would look like if the LSM were actually doing their job. To extend the picture metaphor, somewhere there must be a picture similar to the portrait of Dorian Grey of Obama that reflects the true Obama. It must be horrifying.
That said, I can’t wait watch Paul Ryan duck walk every bodies favorite drunken uncle around the stage next week. That old fool has no chance against Ryan. There should be a pool on how many gaffes he will spew once the pressure is on.
Mouse if you want to use quotations in reference to something I said I would suggest you get the words right rather than using your over the top notch method of self interperatation of what I actually said. I said the country is in moral decline and its going to take a hell of a lot more than debate to fix what these politicians have done. I criticized Romney, and include every opposing party politician, who have not stood up and called out this administration when they commit one criminal act after another. I watched the debate when it showed up on YouTube and I enjoyed it very much! Romney threw Solyndra and others like it right on the communists face. Bravo!!!! The best thing he did was let the incompetent ass speak. My position still stands and these politicians need to prove to me and every other concerned citizen that they are changing this country back to what it once was. Actions speak louder than words. Know this. So ya, great debate and hope to see more like it but more than anything I want to see Obama thrown out and him and his current administration investigated. Then I want to see these words put into play and be a beacon for every American citizen to see as the right thing to do. Work hard and enjoy the fruits of your labor. Is that too much to ask? Is it doom and gloom for wanting results rather than promises? So stop dragging my name around and stick with your cheerleader routine.
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Last night all of America finally saw the man behind the curtain:
http://lesfemmes-thetruth.blogspot.fr/2012/02/man-behind-curtain-pulls-another-lever.html
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“Marxist” could not be reached for any comment…
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I wonder if Mitt is in the middle of pulling off a brilliant plan. Playin’ possum to the endless joy and comfort of liberals, and to endless frustration of Patriots and Conservatives.
Last night was an Ambush with a Smile.
Gentleman-like and deadly.
Keep it going, Mitt!
I’ll give ya the benefit of the doubt and won’t call you Kittens anymore.
Unless you screw up, of course..
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Anyone notice how fast the wonderchild and Moose fled the stage while the Romney Clan basked in the after-Glory..?
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And if all the numbers he computed on the fly were correct, the guy’s a genius.. I know “fact checkers” will be dissecting every bite in hopes of finding errors..
Here’s hoping they won’t..
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I criticized Romney, and include every opposing party politician, who have not stood up and called out this administration when they commit one criminal act after another….My position still stands and these politicians need to prove to me and every other concerned citizen that they are changing this country back to what it once was.
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Two points; you have to choose your battles. Romney calling out Obama for his criminal acts won’t help him win the election, since the independents clearly would be turned off by such an act, and they don’t know and/or understand Obama’s criminal acts.
Romney is a private citizen, same as you or me. (Yeah, he has a bigger soapbox). How many times have you contacted the FBI to complain about one or more of Obama’s criminal acts. You live in Hawaii; what have you done about that bogus birth certificate?
FWIW, I did have a discussion with my secretary of state about what was required to qualify or disqualify someone from being on the ballot. I made some inroads, but Obama’s name is still there on my state’s ballot.
Second point; Romney isn’t Ron Paul. Over 100 years has been required to transport us to this socialist utopia. Generations of kids have been indoctrinated in government schools. It will take more than your lifetime to return this country into a semblance of what the founders envisioned (if then). Romney or anyone else can’t get any of that done if the sheep get scared and won’t vote for him. (Consider, for example, how many southern Evangelicals wonder if they can bring themselves to vote for Romney because he is a Mormon!!!)
Mitt IS it.</a
Cheerleading, Mr. Island?
My bad. I should be saying “it’s all over, doom, Bilderberg, one-world, no chance, blood in the streets, give up, bunker”.
C’mon man. Good things DO happen once in a while. Is Romney the savior? Hell no. But he showed some real leadership qualities. It won’t kill you to believe “It’s morning in America again.” WE CAN TURN THIS AROUND.
We almost forgot what it’s like to have a guy in there who will unleash American ingenuity and optimism. After the Bush years and now Obama, it’s easy to see why morose, “it’s all over” attitudes have ruled the day for so long.
Cheer up or you’ll wind up being the Dos XX “Most Depressed Man in the World”
“Stay gloomy my friends…”
Ummah Gummah says:
October 4, 2012 at 11:58 am
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And if all the numbers he computed on the fly were correct, the guy’s a genius.. I know “fact checkers” will be dissecting every bite in hopes of finding errors..
Here’s hoping they won’t..
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You don’t amass a fortune for yourself of over $200 million, make thousands of investors wealthy, create tens of thousands of jobs and create a bunch of companies that are household names by fudging the numbers.
FactCheckers will also rely upon bogus numbers such as “the US Unemployment rate is 8.1%.” FactCheckers cannot undo the damage done to the Fallen Messiah.
The only known photograph of Winston Churchill and Barack Obama.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-SicwoOw_Gtw/UGtu6GmCTZI/AAAAAAAAFGo/_mulItDnjOU/s1600/churchill.jpg
Most of the damning things we wanted to tell the nation were brought up and presented by Romney. He was polite, yet direct and there will be more coming in the next debate. I thnk America just got her second wind!
The regressives wanted a fighter for their revolution, but they put their money on a punching bag.
(Consider, for example, how many southern Evangelicals wonder if they can bring themselves to vote for Romney because he is a Mormon!!!)
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So they’d rather vote for a moslem than a Mormon?
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You don’t amass a fortune for yourself of over $200 million, make thousands of investors wealthy, create tens of thousands of jobs and create a bunch of companies that are household names by fudging the numbers.
FactCheckers will also rely upon bogus numbers such as “the US Unemployment rate is 8.1%.” FactCheckers cannot undo the damage done to the Fallen Messiah.
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What I was thinking.. Mitt schooled that boy-child.
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…and I didn’t even look at the newest thread before I wrote that
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I like these words of wisdom from Dr. David R. Reagan (who is a Christian) for those who might be wondering if it is okay to vote for a Mormon:
“A Clear Choice
…we are confronted with a real choice. It is not a matter of Tweedledee and Tweedledum.
On one hand, we have a candidate who is a non-Christian Mormon. He believes in traditional family and moral values, he respects the heritage of America, he supports Israel, he recognizes Islam as our nation’s enemy, and he believes in Capitalism.
On the other hand, we have a candidate who is a non-Christian Humanist. He rejects traditional family and moral values, he despises our nation’s heritage, he holds Israel in contempt, he loves Islam, and he believes in Socialism.
The choice is not an ideal one. But there is a clear choice.
May God have mercy on our nation.”
http://www.lamblion.com/enewsletter1/new_enewsletter_template_120905.html
The second photo is clearly a PhotoShop fraud. If you look closely, Obama is wearing an American Flag pin on his lapel.
Dave, did you REALLY think you could sneak such an obvious fake past us??
So they’d rather vote for a moslem than a Mormon?
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Yeah; note Jodie’s post:
we have a candidate who is a non-Christian Mormon
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I get sick to death of “Christians” judging others on who is and is not a “Christian.” There was a time that a Christian was a person who believed in Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, that he died on the cross for our sins, and was raised from the dead the third day. There was a time that people were judged as to whether they were Christian or not based upon whether they attempted to follow the teachings of Christ in their own lives or not.
But apparently that isn’t the case now.
Jodie, you disappoint me. Looking at the life that Mitt Romney has led and you would suggest that he isn’t a Christian is sadly disappointing. Yes, I know; your preacher or some website will provide all sorts of arguments about how Mormons (technically members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) don’t believe in the same Jesus Christ, that they don’t believe the bible the same way you do, etc., ad nauseum.
Have you ever attended a meeting of members of the LDS Church? Did you listen to any of the song that they sing? Did you listen to any of the prayers that were uttered? Did you listen to any of the talks that were given?
I’ve got to go right now, but I will be looking for your response.
Obama’s had NO experience having to defend anything he’s done or not done…. this is likely the first time in awhile he’s even had to talk to someone who disagrees with him, least publicly (and for 90 mins- that’s got to be tough on a narcissist).
Sam, you’re confusing “good person” with “Christian”.
I have nothing personally against Mormons (and in fact, they are very nice, trust-worthy people) but if you read and believe the bible, they aren’t Christians. Heck, even if you DON’T believe the bible, if you just read what it says, it’s very clear that if you go outside a certain set of parameters, you aren’t a Christian.
Now I believe those folks are honest and sincere but deluded in their acceptance of the LDS teaching.
All that, however, is a religious argument. Romney isn’t being elected Pope, and as long as he governs from a moral, small gov’t, America first point of view, he’s fine with me. He will also, I am positive, not be the anti-Christian bigot that Obama and his crew are.
So while I might disagree with Mr. Romney on what a Christian is, he’ll still make a good President. Maybe even a great one…and it won’t affect my relationship with God one iota.
Sam Adams,
Please re-read my post. Dr. Reagan was addressing those who were asking that specific question. I posted it because others brought up the subject and I was addressing those Christians who would let Romney’s Mormonism keep them from voting for him.
I’ve been a supporter of Romney since he became the candidate!
Romney mopped the floor with him! I am glad to see Mitt has finally taken off the gloves. Hopefully we get a few more one liners next time…. You pick the losers LMAO
Oh, they’re already spinning it! Haven’t you heard how it’s anyone but Obama’s fault that he lost?
Carville: Obama’s loss was Romney’s fault! He didn’t come for an honest debate – he came with a chainsaw!
Well he’s right about one thing – Obama’s loss was Romney’s fault because Romney beat his sad sorry A$$ mecilessly!
Now It’s Jim Lehrer’s Fault President Obama Lost the Debate Last Night
One of the most common after the fact reactions in boxing is for the fighter, the promoter, and the fighter’s team to blame the ref for how the fight went down.
And, of course, Al Gore blames manbearpig!
The single biggest threat to our planet. something out there which threatens our very existence and may be the end to the human race as we know it. I’m talking of course, about… “manbearpig.” It is a creature which roams the earth alone. It is half man, half bear, and half pig! Some people say that manbearpig isn’t real. Well, i’m here to tell you now, manbearpig is very real, and he most certainly exists! I’m cereal… manbearpig doesn’t care who you are or what you’ve done… manbearpig simply wants to get you! I’m super cereal..
[Actually Gore is blaming... get this... the altitude! Well I lived in Denver and the altitude, even when I went an extra mile up in the nearby Rocky Montains and engaged in strenuous exercise, climbing under load, never made me goofy!]
I have to back Sam up on this one. The more you so called Christians keep calling Mormons non-Christians the further you sink in the sand. Keep your holy mud slinging to yourself because you have no clue what you’re talking about. Like Sam said have you been to their church? I have. And they are the most caring and giving people I’ve ever met. The more to try and down play their faith the more anti-Christian YOU become. Stop shaming yourselves.
Anon-Y-Mouse says: October 4, 2012 at 1:56 pm
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I see your points and don’t dispute them based on your personal point of view.
However, understand that others do believe that “Christian” is a label properly applied to all who believe that Jesus Christ was more than just a man, etc.
I am not challenging your own beliefs or Bible interpretations. In fact I probably agree with you for the most part, particularly about how Mormons are certainly deluded yet in their delusion they tend to be some of the nicest people, certainly nicer than some other so-called “Christians”, I have met in the past. So my take on that is that they may be a bit strayed off the best path but the one they are on is likely taking them to the same endpoint, hopefully.
And let’s not get in a big debate about that, either, because I know some people are pretty strict about what one has to do to be “saved” – indeed the “sinners in the hands of an angry God” school of thought (predesitnation) suggests that some of us are saved and others are damned and there’s not a thing any of us can do to change that.
IslandLifer says: October 4, 2012 at 2:15 pm
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Indeed one reason there are so many different “flavors” of Christianity is that [insert your own preferred name for the forces of evil here] encourages people to bicker about inconsequential matters and forget that isn’t at all Christian to do that.
StanInTexas says:
The second photo is clearly a PhotoShop fraud. If you look closely, Obama is wearing an American Flag pin on his lapel
BWAHAHAHHA!! Thread winner.
Heard this on the local radio station today RE: The debate, this is not necessarily verbatim but the best I can recollect:
Three points:
1) Romney pounded Obama soundly and even the lame-stream media, with the exception of those few who are playing the “blame anyone but who is responsible: Obama”, are admitting it.
2) We saw the true Obama in the debate. The narcissistic megalomaniac who can’t believe anyone would have the audacity to challenge him. The petulant little child who throws a tantrum when he doesn’t get what he wants (but in this case just barely managed to hold that in check for the most part, still you could see it lurking under the surface). The spoiled brat who has never had to do anything productive in his whole life, always had everything handed to him on a silver platter.
Until last night.
3) The caller said he didn’t believe this, and I didn’t believe it either, but it is indeed possible Obama deliberately sandbagged. What if he threw this one on purpose. There is a psychological trick involved here. It is proven to work. You don’t worry so much about a somewhat ambivalent or even negative first impression as long as you can come back later and make a much better one. The thing that has effect is the CHANGE in perception. The way it works here is that Obama knows he has nothing, certainly not his record. So he lets Romney rip him to shreds then he can play the victim in the second debate while maybe doing a little better. Then in the third he lets Romney have it with everything he’s got.
Which I admit isn’t much, outside his ignorant moonbat base, but still, that base is substantial.
Jester says: October 4, 2012 at 2:20 pm
StanInTexas says:
The second photo is clearly a PhotoShop fraud. If you look closely, Obama is wearing an American Flag pin on his lapel
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Yeah that was a pretty brilliant observation, wasn’t it?
I tell you, there are some sharp cookies who come here!
Jodie says: October 4, 2012 at 2:03 pm
I’ve been a supporter of Romney since he became the candidate!
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Romney was not my first choice, but it appears I was wrong – he may in fact be best qualified to lead.
My only remaining concern is WHERE he may lead on some important issues, but at this point I know we MUST beat Obama and he is the only hope to do that.
IslandLifer,
You took my comment totally out of context – almost like you were looking for an excuse to attack my Christian faith.
By the way, I think you have something on your shoulder. It looks like a chip.
Island, you haven’t a clue. If stating a fact is mud-slinging, then what you do is akin to what monkeys at the zoo tend to fling.
Truth is tough. What, “Christian” now must meet the same test as “conservative”? “Don’t say what is real, don’t rock the boat, don’t say anything that anyone finds offensive, don’t take a stand on anything…” Hell, I can be a PROGRESSIVE with that philosophy. That’s pure Obama.
READ THE BIBLE. It is pretty offensive and pulls no punches. Now…you can believe anything you want, and if you want to say a Christian is a guy who eats Mallomars, be my guest. BUT IT ISN’T TRUE and I’m not going to lie to make someone feel better.
“You shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall you take away from it, that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.” Deut 4:2 That sort of leaves ol’ Joe Smith with a conundrum, doesn’t it?
I’m not offensive, not judgmental, not ANYTHING, simply telling the truth. I like LDS people, they are very nice and good folks, but LDS is not biblical Christianity.
Look, I’m not going to offend people on purpose. I am polite. I would never challenge Mr. Romney on his faith in public or denounce him for it. I don’t go around saying “YOU DON”T BELIEVE LIKE ME, YOU’RE A BLASPHEMER…” But I won’t lie either, tolerance police be damned.
Look up the definition of Christian moron. I don’t need to rant anymore than I have. It’s that simple. I am nowhere near being perfect, in fact I’m very far from it but I work on it everyday. One thing I can’t stand is how one Christian faith can attack another and consider them self a Christian. Hah!!! Now political views I could go on and on but faith is where I draw the line. So go to your Christian church and study as you will but don’t ever tell someone their faith in Christ is incorrect. And Jody I was born with a chip on my shoulder. That’s my biggest downfall is trying to bite my lip when somebody pisses me off. Right now Mouse if you ran your mouth like that in front of me I guarantee I’d snap you over my leg and stretch you like taffy. But you aren’t here and I find that more frustrating than your pompous personality. Jody don’t post stuff like that and then wash your hands clean. I always thought of you as Christian with your frequent postings of scriptures but when you agitate don’t expect the backlash. That is coming down to my level but at least I’m not afraid to admit who I am.
IslandLifer,
Again, you totally missed the point. My post was saying that Romney is a good man and Obama is an evil man and that people should vote for Romney and NOT hold his Mormonism against him.
For Heaven’s sake, you are hard-headed!
And out of respect to Dave I will refrain from posting anymore because I don’t want to be one of those who stirs things up on the threads. Sometimes my anger gets the better part of me.
Jodie I know I am. I know you’re a good person at heart and I guess I did misunderstand your intention and sorry
IslandLifer,
Thanks for saying that! If I could reword my original post, I would – since you and Sam Adams both got the wrong impression.
I loved the debate last night and cheered for Romney -out loud – practically the whole time. I want everyone to vote for him!
PS: Don’t stop posting!
Island, you haven’t a clue. You’re an angry bully and a thug, and I’m sorry your not here. I might give you a lesson in civility. I agree with Jodie, don’t stop posting. You do more for making my point than I ever could.
“Christian” to you is someone who likes the moniker but hasn’t ever really read the bible. We can get mad for sure, but we generally don’t make a religious point with our fists. That says a lot about you.
I am voting Romney, I think he’s a great guy, I would always offer him help and comfort and share the good news of Jesus with him…but LDS ain’t Christianity. I’m sorry that makes you turn to violence and hatred.
I didn’t write the book, but I can read english. I’ll go with what God says to do. You do what you like. If that includes punching me out, I’m here for ya’.
IslandLifer, this should piss you off:
Today there are more than 600 different denominational churches, each teaching different man-made doctrines, each with different forms of worship, each with different human devised plans of salvation, and each wearing different religious names. There is no scriptural justification for this confusion, “For God is not the author of confusion” (1 Corinthians 14:33). What do you think the Lord thinks about all of this? Such cannot be pleasing to the Lord. The word “denomination” comes from the same root word as denominator in fractions, which means to divide. Religious division is sinful. God’s word says, “Now I plead with you, brethern, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment” (1 Corinthians 1:10). This is not happening in denominationalism. Denominations are of human origin and have no scriptural authority to exist. Every denomination is in conflict with the one church which Jesus built.
Jesus says in Matthew 16:18, “I will build My church”. The word “church” is singular, meaning one and only one and the word “My” is possessive, meaning it belongs to the Lord. The Lord only built His one church. Jesus never promised to build even one denomination. The church of Christ , which Christ built, began nearly 2000 years ago.
Human authority has never been acceptable to God in spiritual matters.
Isaiah 55:8,9 – Our ways are not God’s ways. His ways are higher than ours as Heaven is higher than earth. Men by our own wisdom are not able to know what pleases God. We cannot invent doctrine and expect Him to be pleased.
Jeremiah 10:23 – It is not in man that walks to direct His path.
Matthew 15:9,13 – For this reason, Jesus forbids our following man-made teachings. It makes our service to God vain. Such doctrines will be rooted up, and those who follow teachers of these doctrines will fall into the ditch (v13,14).
[Galatians 1:8,9; 2 John 9-11; Colossians 3:17; Proverbs 14:12; 3:5,6; Revelation 22:18,19; 1 Timothy 1:3; 2 Timothy 1:13; 1 Corinthians 1:18-25; 1 Peter 4:11]
“Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage–with great patience and careful instruction. For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. But you, keep you head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry” (2 Tim. 4:2-5).
There are no denominations in the Bible. There is nothing outside of the Bible that is approved for Christian teaching. There are no man made doctrines that are approved by God. The Bible specifically condemns man made dogma and denominations. Therefore, it is correct to say Mormons are not Christians. The Book of Mormon is man made.
Having said that, I’m still voting for Romney. Obama is godless.
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“You shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall you take away from it, that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.” Deut 4:2 That sort of leaves ol’ Joe Smith with a conundrum, doesn’t it?
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Actually it leaves every gospel writer past Moses with a conundrum. You do know that Deuteronomy was written several thousand years before Christ, don’t you? If you want to interpret that scripture the way you suggest, then everything past the five books of Moses must be rejected.
Now, there is a similar warning in the Book of Revelation, which is what a lot of folks like to latch on. But of course, we can’t accept the Book of Revelation because it came after Deuteronomy…..or can we?
The correct interpretation of both of those scriptures is that the Bible isn’t one book. It is a compilation of 60+ books. So the warnings in Deuteronomy and the Book of Revelation refer to those specific books.
The other thing to remember is that there are over twenty books and letters referred to in the Bible that we don’t find in today’s bible. For example in 1 Cor. 5:9, Paul references advice he gave to the Corinthians in some earlier epistle. In Col. 4:16, Paul references an epistle he wrote to the saints in Laodicea. If those epistles were to be found and authenticated, would you claim that they shouldn’t be included in the canon of holy scripture? (After all….they were written by the same guy who wrote a good part of the New Testament.)
Anon-Y-Mouse says:
October 4, 2012 at 6:44 pm
“Christian” to you is someone who likes the moniker but hasn’t ever really read the bible. We can get mad for sure, but we generally don’t make a religious point with our fists. That says a lot about you.
I am voting Romney, I think he’s a great guy, I would always offer him help and comfort and share the good news of Jesus with him…but LDS ain’t Christianity.
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Anon….I just got through reading the King James Bible from cover to cover a month ago. Every word of it, including Numbers and Deuteronomy. There are some issues that could be clearer, but nothing that conflicts with my beliefs in Jesus Christ as my Savior.
Here’s the deal. Jesus Christ is the firstborn of our Heavenly Father. He was with him in the beginning. He volunteered to come to earth, do the will of his Father, live a perfect life, and willingly give up his life for our sins. Because of his divine nature, he also was able to overcome death, and he rose from the dead on the third day.
John, his apostle wrote: “And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written.” Here John is stating that we don’t have a complete record of everything that Christ did or taught while on earth.
The Bible states that those who followed Christ were called Christians. That’s it; follow Christ and you are a Christian. Read his words; live by his words; try to become as perfect at he was.
But, you say, LDS folks believe differently than us regular “Christians.” LDS believe that in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. In other words…In the beginning Christ existed; he existed with our Heavenly Father, he was Divine i.e. God, and through him were all things created.
Seems like the understanding that the members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints conforms pretty closely to what the Bible says.
“Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage–with great patience and careful instruction. For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. But you, keep you head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry” (2 Tim. 4:2-5).
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Galations 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
Paul saw in his lifetime how quickly corrupt and erroneous teachings came into the Church. The problem with people not enduring sound doctrine isn’t just a problem of the latter days.
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There are no denominations in the Bible. There is nothing outside of the Bible that is approved for Christian teaching.
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Who made that determination? Where does it say that in the Bible?
BTW, if God decided that he had an additional message that he wanted to convey to Mankind, how would he do that?
David, I apologize if this diversion into religious discussion is unwarranted/unwanted. There are a lot of misconceptions about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and their beliefs. I believe open and frank discussion is the best way to improve our understanding of each other, as well as enlighten us on the religious views of hopefully our next president.
Fellow posters:
I don’t expect to “convert” you to my way of thinking by the things I have posted. I would simply like you to consider that the way which you have interpreted scriptures isn’t necessarily the only way those scriptures can be understood.
Just keep in mind that the same judgement which you apply to others will be applied to you. You want to say “for x, y, and z” reasons, Mormons aren’t Christians. It breaks my heart that you would take that position, especially when Christ taught us to judge others by their fruits, not by the way they understood scripture. But if you wish to make that judgement, fine with me-it doesn’t change how I believe and worship; you will have to live with that judgement.
No denominations in the bible? John the Baptist. Yes I am being facetious.
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:8
Sam Adams,
Whether you choose to see it or not, there are significant differences in the teachings of the following churches: Christian, Catholic, Mormon, Jehovah’s Witness, Scientology, etc. In this context, it’s not being judgmental to describe them as having Christian versus non-Christian teaching.
Sam, how is saying “The bible says this” judgemental?
I am in no way being critical of you because you’re a Mormon. I just believe that LDS is not biblical, therefore not Christian. I base that belief on the bible itself.
As to your reference to Deuteronomy, yes…I know it was written many thousands of years before the Gospels. Saying that it conflicts with Moses simply means you didn’t read it carefully.
This isn’t the forum to argue this kind of stuff, but if you ever want to find out why LDS is not Christian, there is a lot of information (not the “attack” kind, but solidly scriptural) that could help you.
No offense to you, and I’m sorry you think ‘truth’ equals ‘judgement’. We are concerned with the FINAL judgement, and fear for our friends who are lost.
son of a preacher man says:
October 5, 2012 at 5:36 am No denominations in the bible? John the Baptist. Yes I am being facetious.
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:8
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See, that’s an interesting scripture. The Galatians were already falling away from Christ’s gospel. Paul warns them to hold fast to what he preached to them.
Problem is that that was over 1900 years ago and Paul didn’t preach to anyone here. Yes we have his words (some of them) but Paul isn’t hear to explain them. So that begs the question of how do you know what you have been taught is the correct interpretation?
Jodie says:
October 5, 2012 at 5:37 am Sam Adams,
Whether you choose to see it or not, there are significant differences in the teachings of the following churches: Christian
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Jodie, you do know that their is no “Christian” church, don’t you? There are hundreds of brands of “Christian” churches….with the Catholics claiming to be the original Christian Church (and the rest of you are all heretics). The Greek Orthodox Church claims to be the original Christian Church. Then you have the Baptists, the Methodists, the Prespeterians, the Pentacostals, the Mennonites, the Amish, the Lutherins, the Anglicans, any number of Independent Bible Churches, and on and on. Now, the Jehovah Witnesses believe that their interpretion of the bible is the only accurate, valid point of view…furthermore, Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior doesn’t seem to be the major topic that they focus on. I think the Jehovah Witnesses are OK with you saying that they aren’t Christians.
Scientology isn’t a Christian church because they don’t actually believe in Christ.
Islam doesn’t believe in Jesus Christ as the savior of the world, although they accept him as a prophet. I’m quite sure that Muslims don’t want to be classified as Christians. The scary part is that they believe that Christ will return to bow to their Supreme Being. They have a boatload of scary beliefs.
Here’s the bottom line; we are at war. The non-believers (aka pretty much the liberals), have joined up with the Muslims. They are in the process of restricting our rights and, in time, will eat us alive.
They came after the Jews in 1938, and they are coming after them again. This past year they came after the Catholics. Right now they are proposing to restrict your freedom of speech. Freedom of religion isn’t far behind.
They see “us” as a bunch of cults that believe in some mythical being that argue among ourselves, and, divided, they can pick us off one by one. Mormons want to be united with those called Christians, even though, of course, we have some doctrinal differences. The Mormons already know we can’t stand by ourselves. We were already driven from state to state because of our religious differences (which, at the time had nothing to do with polygamy). Finally we were literally driven out of the United States into land that we thought nobody would want. So much for religious tolerance and the First Amendment.
So now we are at a point when we need to put our doctrinal differences aside and unite as one. Romney wasn’t my first choice as President, but knowning what I know about him now, he’s probably the best choice we have this election cycle. But there are some knuckleheads who hesitate about voting for him because he “isn’t a real Christian.” Fair enough; when we stand before the judgement bar, you will have the opportunitiy to explain to my creator how I’m not really a Christian and, as such, shouldn’t be admitted. Till then, I think its time to reappraise whether it is wise to be trying to exclude one group or another from the family of believers.
Problem is that that was over 100 years ago and Joseph Smith didn’t preach to anyone here. Yes we have his words (some of them) but Joe isn’t hear to explain them. So that begs the question of how do you know what you have been taught is the correct interpretation?
I can play that game too.