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Nov 14 2012

Secession Mania

Remember when glassy-eyed Kool-Aid–guzzling fools told us back in 2008 that Barack Hussein Obama would unite us? It didn’t happen.

Barely a week after Obama’s highly questionable reelection, people in each of the 50 states have petitioned to secede from the USA.

Obamunists have responded with threats to deport Americans who do not appreciate the Manchurian Moonbat’s rule (leaving the option of sneaking back in as an illegal alien to receive all manner of special benefits).

Obama’s nakedly racist appeal to blacks, Hispanics, and self-hating whites has evoked an equally racist response that makes as much sense as anything being said on TV.

Hope & Change is moonbattery taken to its most poisonous extreme. Its imposition on America by arrogant liberal elitists and the welfare hordes they breed to do their bidding is tearing the country apart. Hang on tight; there are rough waters ahead.

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On tips from Artfldgr, Bob Roberts, Muddypaw, Sad Hill News, whotothewhat, Wiggins, Highway Hospital Student, Gary A, The Only Other Conservative in Seattle, facebkwallflower, Spider, and Mickey Shea.

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  • Tiger

    Wow, okay. You do realize that both the secession attempts and the “threats” to deport those who sign them are just a few thousand people signing petitions on the internet, right? Way to make a mountain out of a molehill.

  • Louisiana Steve

    Last time states tried secession, President Lincoln declared war on us and killed over 250,000 of our people in the name of ‘preserving the Union’.

  • TigerKiller

    SEIU is no longer paying for unauthorized Internet trolling.

    Report back to Van Jones-Anita Dunn headquarters immediately or it’s off to reeducation camp with you.

    Your IP address has been duly noted.

  • Sam Adams

    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/poll-24-percent-americans-believe-states-have-right-secede

    In June, 2012, 24% of those polled by Rasmussen said that states have the right to suceed. That is up 10% points from just two years earlier.

  • A. Levy

    Molehills are where mountains start. Hopefully.

    I’ve been around a while, and not since the wild 60′s and early 70′s have i seen this country so racially divided. And the sad part is, it was done by the Marxist-in-Chief and his America-hating Demoncrats purely for political gain. They don’t really care if the country is torn apart so long as it’s “their” people who are left standing.

    The one thing they’re not thinking of is, as is usually the case when socialism and Marxism take hold, who will be left to pay for “their” people? It is that one point which has always caused socialism and Marxism to fail. Always.

  • Jimbo

    Zero WILL unite “us” – as long as everyone uniformly converts to the communist party. The trolls here have even said so.

    I hate communists. Communists stink. I have some ‘things’ I’d like to share with them.

  • Tiger

    Steve, as I recall, the North was defending itself from Southern aggression. Ever heard of Fort Sumter?

    TigerKiller, that’s cute. It’s nice that the anonymity of the internet makes you feel comfortable pretending to be a tough guy. I’m quaking in my boots, what ever am I going to do now that some moron on the internet knows my IP address?

  • metalgarth

    Sadly, I am 100% sure that if there is a second civil war in the US it will not be state vs. state but rather the US gov’t vs. its citizens.

  • OEFvet

    Louisiana Steve your number is a little low… That was just those lost in the south. We are a very different Amerika… In the 1800s it truly was a war between brothers… Today America is full of non Americans and Marxists who are enemies of the constitution. Driving the country into a third world replica of their homelands… America is no longer the land of the prosperous, but of the freeloaders. Succession is really the only option for survival if you are white or a nonwhite who supports the constitutions and capitalism… So about 2-3% blacks and 20% Hispanic.

  • Conan

    A commentary on liberals getting what they deserve after 50 years of dividing us.

    http://www.theantiliberalzone.com/2012/11/14/liberals-reap-the-whirlwind/

  • Tiger

    Conan, by “getting what they deserve” did you mean “receiving more votes than Republicans for all three branches of the federal government”?

  • Tiger

    Sorry, my bad. The house and the senate are houses, not branches.

  • Gunny G

    Tiger,

    Your grasp of US history in pathetic.

    The North meddled in Southern affairs for years prior to the attack on Ft Sumter. Slavery was dying thanks to the cotton gin and harvester machines but the abolitionists kept the pot boiling. Also, the North and the Feds used economic sanctions on the South coming up to 1861. Kinda like the Feds do NOW when Obama takes 1.6 MILLION acres of “federal land” off of the drilling table.

    How can the Federal government usurp the 10th Amendment, seize the lands of a State, and then prevent the State from developing the resources to the benefit of its citizens.

    THAT is just one reason why I support secession.

  • Gunny G

    Tiger,

    In case you haven’t heard, the GOP still holds the House and Land Deal Reid has a tenuous grasp of the Senate.

  • Conan

    Tiger, your puny god-king won by 2% of the popular vote, hardly a mandate. And since he just admitted that he ordered Rice to lie to the American people about Libya, I smell an impeachment coming! :)

    BTW, Senator Grahamnesty found his balls and charged ODumbo with owning Libya.

    When the welfare stops coming, you libtards will suffer and if you come begging for food from me, I’ll spit in your face and turn my Rotty loose on you.

  • Jimbo

    Once again communist trolls prove with out a doubt they are complete morons.

  • Tiger

    Yes they do, Gunny, but since YOU obviously haven’t heard, the the democrats running for the house received 500,000 more votes than the republicans. (http://www.politicsplus.org/blog/2012/11/11/how-the-minority-won-the-house/) The Republicans only control the house because the districts are set up in a way that groups small amounts of democrats in with a republican majority, meaning that those 500,000 votes didn’t count for squat. Maybe you guys should stop inventing voter fraud conspiracies and crack down on your own party’s blatant Gerrymandering.

    I’m going to ignore your hilarious attempt to defend slavery. (Yes, it’s all the abolitionists’ fault! If only they had shut up and ignored the fact that the south was holding thousands of people prisoner and forcing them to work in horrible conditions for no pay.)

  • Tiger

    I’m an atheist, Conan, I don’t have a god. And I’ll bet you any amount you want that nothing you guys make up to try and get him kicked out will stick once people who aren’t delusional get a chance to look at it.

  • Geeknerd

    The Democrat Party was…
    the Party of the South,
    the Party of Slavery,
    the Party of Secession,
    the Party of the Confederacy,
    the Party that opposed Reconstruction,
    the Party of segregation, and
    the Party of Jim Crow.

    That most blacks vote for the party that used Jim Crow to prevent their great-grand parents from voting is the ultimate irony.

    (Perhaps God let the North stomp on the South because for 500 years Christian blacks had prayed to be delivered from the house of Egypt, the house of Bondage? God HAS used heathen nations to do His will; look at how he used the Soviet Union to punish Germany for the Holocaust.)

  • Winston Smith

    Its good as a symbolic act of defiance but anyone who thinks it will happen is a tad dilusional since if it happened it would be 10 times more destructive than the Civil War. Not to mention everyone over 50 would be in a snit as their social security and medicare check would stop coming. Not that it would matter much since nearly all of the elderly would die within a few months of the outbreak of civil war.

    Now if a movement to kick Kalifornia out of the union were realistic I would support it. LOL

  • GayShintoCommunist

    Tiger -

    What we need to do is reach out to the Hispanics and grab us some state legislatures come 2014 and 2016.

    Demographics are on our side. The dagnabits will be dead or spinning out their dentures by 2020.

  • Tiger

    Since you’ve clearly been living under a rock since the 1920′s, Geeknerd, you may not have noticed that the Democrats are no longer the party of the South, and that they’ve pretty much swapped ideologies with the Republicans. Oh how the party of Lincoln has fallen.

  • Tiger

    Good plan, GayShinto. I have just one question: does this reaching out actually involve changing any of your policies, or is it just a rebranding effort? Because I think we proved on the 6th that America is smart enough to see through your bullshit.

  • Alphamail

    There are still ways to fight back without blowing ourselves up in the process and states’ rights is one.

    As much as attorneys aren’t my favorite animal it’s sure great to have one – especially an honest and moral one – when your back is against the wall, and definitely when pressured by corrupt bureauweenies.

    This is particularly useful because – unlike voting – there will always be a discernible paper trail.

    There are other things we can do also before all of America becomes a Philly homo house and Baal worshipping skinheads turn to IAD’s.

    Having said that, if the shit actually does hit the fan someday (which many on both sides seem to be anxiously hoping for – thank you Alinsky and Obama), ANY effort by any force – especially the government – to disregard the Constitution, our God-given rights, and our liberty, is my enemy.

    o continue, if you mention Darrell Issa in the course of conservative efforts to battle the administration, you’ll get lots of character assassination from elements of the loon fringe. But what have they actually done, but sit home and massage and masturbate their ideas amongst themselves?

    Issa may not have prevailed yet, but he’s the main reason these issues are even on the stove. His efforts can’t be blamed for them not being on the front burner. If the revolutionist Bible re-writers had their way, the stove would have been blown up by now.

    Anyway, it’s important to double down on support for Issa and our Congress and anyone else who supports liberty.

    Another election is within 24 months and the voter mess needs to be cleaned up yesterday.

    If the recent degree of voter fraud is allowed to reoccur, I may be forced to add Apache helicopter to my list of flight credentials, when I’d just as soon puddle-jump the back hills of the west in peace.

    If the voter issue is not cleaned up in the next 18 months – hopefully before O-recount hands out combination EBT/visa cards, then we may all have to fire up the generators.

    Time is of the essence and dawdling is deadly. Every honorable patriotic citizen should want this mess cleaned up for good, and should certainly prefer it over blood in the streets.

    Paper w/copy Made and processed in America Voter ID Verifiable Independent monitors.

    If we can’t clean up voting, we shouldn’t be called innovative Americans, and Benghazi to creeping Sharia to loss of freedom will be moot.

    All efforts need to be on states’ rights and voter reform. If not, nothing else will matter.

    Every Congressman needs to receive a letter, a phone call, and an eMail announcing your outrage and your desire for total dedication to voter integrity and reform.

    Every newspaper editor in America needs to hear from us.

    Jay Sekulow of the ACLJ, our stalwart religious liberty and individual rights advocate, should be contacted by letter or eMail and the need for legal argument and representation should be stressed, and his organization, as well as many other groups such as the Heritage Foundation, should be asked to make voter fraud their top priority in terms of time, money, and effort in 2013.

    Every conservative, independent, and libertarian website needs to be notified of this goal.

    Conservatives lose because they are all over the map on issues.

    Here’s an opportunity to stand together.

    Believe it or not, the fight needs to be taken directly to the heart of the liberal’s argument – FAIRNESS.

    Fair and free elections!

    If conservatives could coalesce around the issue of fairness – at the ballot box! – and a landscape of grass-roots patriots worked together on the one common goal of honesty during voting, then we might just survive this mess. I’m sure Alan West would be inclined to follow this course.

    Last, The Tea Party, with all its resources, needs to morph into “The Free Party”, a movement first committed to protecting the ballot box.

    A free people, requiring free and fair elections, to insure our basic freedom.

    I believe we won the election. This could be a do-over to prove it.

  • Sam Adams

    Tiger says:
    November 14, 2012 at 1:08 pm

    Since you’ve clearly been living under a rock since the 1920′s, Geeknerd, you may not have noticed that the Democrats are no longer the party of the South, and that they’ve pretty much swapped ideologies with the Republicans.
    ________

    That is why Robert Byrd (D) was a Grand Cyclops of the KKK, no republican member of either the house or the senate were members of the KKK, and why the democrats were so opposed to the civil rights movement in the 1950s and 60s.

    The democrats are still the party of slavery. However, they no longer enslave people based upon race, but instead based upon economic station in life. Obama never misses an opportunity to state that the rich need to pay more taxes. When you are working to pay taxes, you are working without compensation (as noted by “Tax Freedom Day”). The democrats wish to have many US citizens be able to enjoy the fruits of the labor of others, the very definition of slavery.

  • Tiger

    Sam, if you think that requiring people who live in mansions to hand over less than 30% of their income so that people with absolutely nothing can afford to feed themselves is anything like what people held in bondage go through, you need a reality check.

    Also, the majority of taxes go to projects that benefit all citizens. I rather like having firefighters and paved roads, thank you.

  • Grunt

    Ah, the old “switched parties” shtick.

    Doesn’t change a thing, Tiglet.
    The Democratic party simply shifted paradigms from using blacks to harvest cotton, to using blacks and other minorities to harvest votes and foment seditious behaviour.

    Oh the note of “slavery” what do YOU call it when the folks that produce are forced to surrender their effort (work, money, earnings) to give it to people who didn’t work for it?

    If you said “slaves”, ding-ding-ding you dingbat, that would be correct.

    Also, I don’t see anyone from the Right supporting slavery here, as you accuse. But I know it’s your party that institutionalizes it.

    You want ObamaKKKare? Fine! YOU pay for it. If it’s so great, why are the people forcing it on the public (and the unions and businesses that support it (provided they gave enough to the DNC and Obammy) EXEMPT or wanting exemption for it.

    Because it’s a farce and we know it!

    If you want to live this way, in a Country that disparages religious freedoms and the right to life, and so on, and so on, crawl into your little corner of shit-topis and leave the normal adults alone.

    When you run out of food and can’t get the electricity you need because your utopia ran out of other folks’ money, I’ll give you a solar candle and some no-salt bagels with some Bloomberg’s Nanny-Safe no-flavour soda water.

    Your kind can’t seem to get that no SANE person wants to live like you expect others (just not, you know, yourselves) to live.

  • Grunt

    Oh…and Tiglet, for the record?

    I’ve been friends for many years with folks who were lifelong Democrats, and I live in the South. They’ve said to me that it’s terribly odd that the “Democratic” title is being overtaken more and more by these marxist lunatics every year.

    When O’bummer ran, they “switched parties” too…they wanted to vote for the adults who had some clue as to what was actually going on.

    Funny thing, hunh?

  • Sinister66

    What did David duke run as in 1992?

  • GayShintoCommunist

    I agree with Alphamail.

    Wipe the access lines to the ballot box so clean you could use them to launch the Space Shuttle.

    Vote fraud was negligible in 2012, just as it was in 2000 and 2004 (remember when theat shoe was on your foot, Alpha?)

    Neither side has anything to fear from free and fair elections. Then, in 2014, when the GOP share of the demographic pie has shrunk even smaller, and they’re beaten fair and square, maybe they’ll shut up.

  • Tiger

    Grut wrote:

    Your kind can’t seem to get that no SANE person wants to live like you expect others (just not, you know, yourselves) to live.

    ——————

    Aw, is someone still in denial about the nation rejecting his ridiculous farce of an ideology?

    In actual fact, I live very well, and I want others to be able to live the same way. That’s why I reject the Republicans’ rich-get-richer-poor-get-poorer model of capitalism.

    Also, I’m not exactly sure what you mean by “exempt” from Obamacare. Do you mean exempt from the mandate? Please explain further.

  • Hooray for Captain Spaulding

    He does not “appeal to blacks, Hispanics, and self-hating whites”

    He appeals to self-hating Blacks, self-hating Hispanics AND self-hating Whites.

  • GayShintoCommunist

    “Oh the note of “slavery” what do YOU call it when the folks that produce are forced to surrender their effort (work, money, earnings) to give it to people who didn’t work for it?”

    You mean like when the black guys and the Kosovars who clean up my office building pay their taxes to pay for Riceland Foods’ half billion dollar USDA subsidy?

  • Sam Adams

    Tiger says:
    November 14, 2012 at 1:32 pm

    Sam, if you think that requiring people who live in mansions to hand over less than 30% of their income so that people with absolutely nothing can afford to feed themselves is anything like what people held in bondage go through, you need a reality check.

    Also, the majority of taxes go to projects that benefit all citizens. I rather like having firefighters and paved roads, thank you.
    _____________

    Firefighters are paid by local taxes, as are most roads. Federal roads are paid for by gasoline, not income taxes.

    Here’s the question….how did people survive in the US without all the government subsidies? There must have been mass starvation in the 19th century when the federal government consumed less than 3% of GDP.

    Here’s another question….”sin taxes” such as tax on tobacco are embraced by the left as a way to modify people’s behavior. They figure (and they might be right) that if a pack of smokes costs more, fewer people will smoke.

    Why doesn’t the same thing apply to working people? Those who work more and are more productive have to pay taxes at a higher rate. Those who don’t work, don’t have to pay taxes. Why won’t that affect people’s behavior in exactly the same way that sin taxes affect people’s behavior?

  • Tiger

    You’d think so, Sam, but apparently not.

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/tax-cuts-rich-dont-spur-151649273.html

    I guess forcing smokers who may be barely making ends meet is completely different from forcing a billionaire to pay a few extra million.

  • Sam Adams

    GayShintoCommunist says:
    November 14, 2012 at 1:43 pm

    “Oh the note of “slavery” what do YOU call it when the folks that produce are forced to surrender their effort (work, money, earnings) to give it to people who didn’t work for it?”

    You mean like when the black guys and the Kosovars who clean up my office building pay their taxes to pay for Riceland Foods’ half billion dollar USDA subsidy?
    __________

    Actually when the people provide subsidies to corporations, that a part of Fascism, another form of Marxism. Obama, you might note, has been pretty active in handing out money to campaign donors, such as Solyndra.

    Do you see anyone here arguing that ethanol manufacturers need more subsidies?

  • Geeknerd

    From each according to his ability,
    to each according to his need.

    Even if you confiscated all the wealth of the top 1%, it would only run the government for a couple of weeks. After that, there are no more rich to tax!

    That’s why communist countries put up walls, to keep the produces of wealth (the “rich”) from escaping.

    Marx said that everyone who is paid a wage is a “wage slave,” since the employers take a cut of the wealthe they produce. Now, if you pay taxes, you are a TAX SLAVE. Get back to work.

  • Tiger

    Sam, since you apparently failed high school level civics and don’t understand that Fascism and Communism are at completely opposite ends of the political spectrum, I’m going to be ignoring you from now on.

  • Sam Adams

    Isn’t it interesting that every other country was able to eliminate slavery without a civil war?

    _____

    One other point. My ancestors already left the US when their religious liberties were infringed. They moved to the most desolate spot of earth they could find. Some even moved down to Mexico (like Mitt Romney’s grandparents).

    But there is no where left to move to.

    Leftist can point to all sorts of countries that they wished the US could be more like…France, Sweden, Denmark, Germany, etc. They can move there if they wish and presumably enjoy the system of government they prefer.

    Where can those who wish to live their lives essentially unmolested by the Federal Government move to? What country embraces the constitutional federal government that the founders envisioned?

  • Tiger

    And that, Geeknerd, is why no one here is advocating that we do that. Congrats on knocking down a strawman, though.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawman

  • Tiger

    Maybe I’ll respond to you just this once, Sam: I hear that Somalia is pretty nice if you’re into that sort of thing.

    There is one other country. A country with no universal healthcare and very little welfare, low taxes, and a theocratic government. Homosexuality is illegal, and they’re not shy about using the death penalty. Their school system is mostly private with a religious focus. They’ve got widespread oil drilling, a growing nuclear program, and no pesky environmentalists to protest either of these things. Their culture promotes family and traditional gender roles, they enforce a modest dress code, and ban piercings and tattoos.

    So where is this conservative paradise?

    It’s a little country called Iran.

  • Sam Adams

    Tiger says:
    November 14, 2012 at 1:54 pm

    Sam, since you apparently failed high school level civics and don’t understand that Fascism and Communism are at completely opposite ends of the political spectrum, I’m going to be ignoring you from now on.
    ______________

    Tiger, since you apparently don’t understand Fascism, you have bought into the lie that they fall at opposite ends of the political spectrum. One is the International Socialists; the other is the National Socialists. Both hate capitalism. Both embrace a totalitarian government. Communists believe that the state should own everything. Fascists believe that the state should control everything, keeping the veneer of private ownership. Although the Fascists fought with the Communists during WWII doesn’t mean that they are on opposite sides of the political spectrum. We fought on the same side as those who believed in Monarchy, as well as the same side as the Communists. That doesn’t mean that we have similar political philosophies.

    You really should get some more education.

  • Grunt

    My point, Gay Shinto, is that slavery is wrong, no matter how much the Democratic Party and its communist/socialist/marxist tendrils try to romanticize it.

    My “ideology”, let’s try this; I’ll type slow because it seems clearly that thinking is a time-consuming process for you, Tiglet:

    It’s not some “ideology”. Al Gore, James Cameron, Michael Moore-on, ad infinitum want Americans to cut back on the things they enjoy in life–never mind that these folks have earned it–but because it represents what those on your side view as unnecessary (just not for yourselves, I noticed).

    So I’m expected to drive some sh*tty electric Poof-mobile, keep my thermostat on 65, and recycle everything because these “elites” (who live in multimillion dollar homes, drive hummers, and eat enough food for a small African village) can just carry on and live to grotesque degrees of excess.

    Let’s take these out into the middle of nowhere, give them the basic survival kit, and see how they fare without their Android phones and luxuries. When they can live the way they expect us to, they might get some acknowledgment from me and those that agree with me.

    Of course, they have to respect the fact that I still may chose to live differently.

    Until then f*ck’m and the limo they rode in on.
    Feel free to apply that to yourself as well. You say you’re doing well? How do you suppose that happened, Niger? Dumb luck? Did others provide that for you, or did you work to achieve it? I love how these trolls come on here and brag how “well off” they are, and then sing their tune of “fairness”…okay, PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS.

    Hop off the Internet, come outta Mom’s basement and liquidate “your estate”, then turn this over in its entirety to the United States Government.

    If you aren’t willing to stand by your own “credo” then don’t expect others to!

    Tell me….when has Obama “made enough money”? I don’t see him moving into a nice, sensible 3/2 on any cul-de-sac in Anytown, USA…I see him living large in a multimillion dollar Hawaiian estate.

    Remember the beg-letter he sent to his “constituents”? “I worry for America. I don’t worry for myself, because even after the election, Michelle and I will be fine.”

    Sounds like he really cares for “The Masses”, hunh?

  • TED
  • Sam Adams

    Tiger says:
    November 14, 2012 at 1:59 pm

    Maybe I’ll respond to you just this once, Sam: I hear that Somalia is pretty nice if you’re into that sort of thing.
    ____________

    Liberals always think that conservatives/libertarians who advocate for less government are promoting no government. No; I don’t want to live in Somalia; I want a federal government that provides protection from outside threats, and promotes the rule of law. I like having police and firemen. I like having a court system.

    On the other hand…the people of Somalia actually are living better now than they did under their Marxist government.
    ____________
    There is one other country. A country with no universal healthcare and very little welfare, low taxes, and a theocratic government. Homosexuality is illegal, and they’re not shy about using the death penalty. Their school system is mostly private with a religious focus. They’ve got widespread oil drilling, a growing nuclear program, and no pesky environmentalists to protest either of these things. Their culture promotes family and traditional gender roles, they enforce a modest dress code, and ban piercings and tattoos.

    So where is this conservative paradise?

    It’s a little country called Iran.
    _____________

    You might note that Iran is just another totalitarian government. I really hate totalitarian governments, whatever the flavor.

    You might also recall that Iran means “land of the Aryans.” They allied themselves with the National Socialists in Germany in WWII. Things haven’t improved there much since that time…

  • Tiger

    Grunt, congratulations on joining Geeknerd in knocking down a strawman, since no one here is saying we should completely turn our lives over to the U.S. government.

  • KHarn

    “Tiger says:November 14, 2012 at 12:36 pm”

    why yes, I HAVE heard of Fort Sumpter and also Fort Pickenes; they were and are in South Carolina and Florida respectivly. The question is “what
    were federal solders doing occupying CONFEDERATE LAND?”

    They had been told repetedly to leave the forts which were paid for by SOUTHERN TAXES (70% average of the total) and in the case of Pickens, SHOTS WERE FIRED on protestors.

    President Davis sent three representatives to Washington DC to negotiate a settlement suggesting the the CSA could PAY FOR THE FORTS. Lincoln would not let ANYONE meet with them and was arranging an INVASION of Florida and South Carolina.

    A Supreme Court judge carried messages to and from the diplomats to Seretary Of War Stanton, who made false promasses –including an evacuation time– to stall while the invasion fleet was readied.

    History claims that the NINE WARSHIPS were carrying food, but in truth, they had over two thousand solders, Marines and Sailors.

    PS: “Burning Kansas” was a rebelion against the United States by New England and the REPUBLICAN PARTY.

    PSS: Please quote the law that says seccession is illeagal.

  • Grunt

    Nice artwork, Ted…one critique, the ring on Obam’s finger is too plain…perhaps if we dress it up with the Shahda…

    (Seriously…really nice art.)

  • KHarn

    “Tiger says:November 14, 2012 at 2:09 pm
    “…no one here is saying we should completely turn our lives over to the U.S. government.”

    What do you think SOCIALISM is? Apparently you are IGNORANT of several DECADES of increesed federal power.

  • Grunt

    Tiglet, speaking of strawmen, do you get yours in bulk?

    I told YOU to put your money where your mouth is if you believe the dreck pushed by the liberals.

    I suggested the same for anyone on “your side” who feels this way.

    I also pointed out that coercive or penalizing the productive to work for the shiftless and unproductive is slavery.

    These are ideals espoused by the party you seem to be in favour of. No strawman there, Simple. Just the truth.

  • Grunt

    Whoops “coercive or penalizing TAXES”

  • KHarn

    “Geeknerd says:November 14, 2012 at 1:03 pm
    ” the Party that opposed Reconstruction,”

    “Reconstruction” was nothing but MILITARY OCCUPATION and the overthrow of the state governments. It took us eighty years to recover financialy and we have not yet recovered socially or politicly.

  • TTommy

    As a native Texan, I’d love to see it happen. We have a balanced budget year after year. We step on unions like the cock roaches they are when they try to set up shop. We actually are the only state in the union that can legally secede. America needs us more than we need it.

  • GayShintoCommunist

    “Where can those who wish to live their lives essentially unmolested by the Federal Government move to?”

    You can be free of Government interference if you donate enough money to the political party that’s in power. Your butthurt buttmasters who shelled out a gigabuck trying to convince us to vote for Mitt Romney want you all pissed off at Obama Phone Woman when she’s an absolute piker.

    I’ve always said that a Libertarian is someone who wants all Americans to have the same freedom from government interference currently enjoyed by large developers in Florida.

  • KHarn

    “GayShintoCommunist says:November 14, 2012 at 2:26 pm
    “You can be free of Government interference if you donate enough money to the political party that’s in power.”

    Ladies and gentlemen, we have the MOST RETARDED POST of the year!

  • Kevin R.

    I don’t want secession, I’d rather instead that Obama and his cronies be tarred, feathered, and ridden on rails out of the country never to be allowed on United States soil again.

  • Jimbo

    Communists should be shot.

  • Grunt

    Hey! Doesn’t Californica have a “light rail” system just laying around?

    Perfect!

  • Ghost of FA Hayek

    Tiger says:
    November 14, 2012 at 1:51 pm

    You’d think so, Sam, but apparently not.

    Obviously not

    http://blog.heritage.org/2012/09/17/congressional-research-service-wrongly-implies-lower-tax-rates-dont-strengthen-economy/

    The CRS report presents a slew of periods between 1945 and 2010 comparing the top marginal income tax rates and capital gains rates with economic growth rates. From these correlations the author concludes that lower rates do not correlate with stronger economic growth.

    Comparing 1950 to 2010 just on tax rates is ludicrous. The world and tax policy are entirely different in those timeframes. If CRS tried to account for all the differences, and then determine how tax rates influenced growth, it would find a different and more accurate answer: that lower rates encourage growth.

    Tell the Obama donor who wrote that trash it,s back to the drawing board

  • Alphamail

    GayShintoCommunist @ 1:41 pm

    1st paragraph – so glad you finally had that epiphany.

    2nd paragraph – you’re on a roll!

    3rd paragraph – Shoot, just when you were doing so well.

    It’s disappointing when someone so bright forgets how important it is to listen – “Every honorable patriotic citizen should want this mess cleaned up for good.”

    Anywhere, anytime, anyhow.

    And, the plethora of ACORN accusations and indictments (the tip of some other very wide voter icebergs) in 2008 (wait, you forgot to mention 2008), should dispel your claim. It may not have been enough to change an election, but it was absolutley there, it was rampant, and it was documented. You know that.

    And it was there this time. Maybe not enough to swing the election, who knows, but it was there bigtime.

    Nearly 20,000 votes to zero is not the place to go for your argument.

    Paragraph 4 – Back on track,baby!……Oops…wait.

    GOP share of the demographic pie? You can have 10,000 eligible voters (usually dead people) but if only one person votes, and the other side has two eligible voters and they both vote, who wins?

    My point is, as long as I’ve lived (longer than I expected), the cream of truth has eventually risen to the top of every frothy mess, and I fully expect it to rise again soon.

    When the hammer of reality finally lays a wakeup call on the thin skulls of the nanny leeches and reminds them they actually do have a pain threshold, they’ll all rush back to school for a GED so they can learn to spell SUSTAINABLE.

    When ships get overloaded, or are in tumultuous seas, or when they actually begin crashing on the rocks, the rats are the first to jump ship.

    I see rocks ahead, and I see a ship full of glutful, thankless, seemingly happy rats who apparently don’t notice the danger.

    Its times like this I’m thrilled to be aligned with cannoneers and shipwrights.

  • Ghost of FA Hayek

    You can be free of Government interference if you donate enough money to the political party that’s in power.

    GayShintoCommunist says:

    A round of applause for the HONEST Commie, please
    clap clap clap clap clap clap

  • Alphamail

    Grunt

    Hitting center target today, with nice tight shot groups.

    Kudos

  • Joe

    Tiger – sorry to hear you died. (not really)
    Nice tats though. Didn’t that hurt having your lip split like that? Oh, one more thing. You need a bro, bro.

  • Dash

    Crazy talk. I came here for guidance on how to survive as a white guy these here days. White guys can’t catch a break, you know.

    Instead I get some bullshit about secession? Jesus!

  • Sweep the leg

    The entire point of having Obama and Holder where they are is to Eff with whites/america. Period.

    There is nothing to be gained by approaching this as though they are just a couple of hard Lefties who don’t know what they are doing and just wait until the investigation and snooooore.

    There is also nothing to be gained by seeking a solution in the good old Constitution. The Left ignores/laughs at that stupid old thing. The Right? Pretty much the same, but they put their hands over their hearts while doing so.

    Secession is the only way at this point. Start over, fresh, with like minded people who will never allow this again. Take the Constitution and make it better. No more birth right citizens. No illegal immigration. Blacks? Since you vote lock step with the Left, you are their problem now, not ours. Homosexual “marriage”? That’s a “blue” thing.

    And on and on down the line. It can happen. And since the old country is over, why the hell not?

  • Bob Roberts

    While I completely understand, support and encourage those who choose to express themselves this way (indeed shortly after the results of the obviously fraudulent election were known I sort of did so myself – go look back on MOONBATTERY and see), secession is simply not an option, nor is it wise. I think venting in this way, instead of in the way the moonbats promised they would if they lost (violence) is healthy. I think it’s a wake up call. But secession, really?

    Not going to happen.

    Even if it should.

  • Bob Roberts

    Dash says: November 14, 2012 at 3:32 pm
    —————
    Hunker down & keep your powder dry.

  • Bob Roberts

    Tiger says: November 14, 2012 at 12:23 pm
    —————
    You missed the point of this entirely.

    Obama promised to bring us together yet, thanks to him and the Democrats, the divides between us, in all ways (not just race, not just sex, not just any single thing, but in every way possible) are deeper and wider than ever.

    It is important to highlight that while Democrats talk about being all inclusive, they are anything but.

    That is why we are where we are.

    Yes, secession will never happen, we all know that.

    But you come off like a typical moonbat, unable to see the forest for the single tree that’s right in your face at the moment.

    Step back and contemplate the larger view, then get back to us.

  • Bob Roberts

    Sam Adams says: November 14, 2012 at 2:09 pm
    ————
    Nice post. You did miss one point.

    You forgot to mention what the acronym “NAZI” stands for.

    It’s essentially “National Socialism” – yet left wingnuts keep saying it was right-wing.

    Shows you how ignorant they are when they say that.

  • Bob Roberts

    Tiger says: November 14, 2012 at 1:54 pm

    Sam, since you apparently failed high school level civics and don’t understand that Fascism and Communism are at completely opposite ends of the political spectrum, I’m going to be ignoring you from now on.
    ——————-
    And, of course, he breaks that promise shortly after making it.

    In any case, he’s wrong about the political spectrum.

    Because he’s defining the political spectrum incorrectly.

    In fact fascism and communism are on the exact same side of the political spectrum.

    Perhaps YOU need to go back and take basic civics, Tiger.

  • Bob Roberts

    Tiger says: November 14, 2012 at 12:36 pm
    Steve, as I recall, the North was defending itself from Southern aggression. Ever heard of Fort Sumter?

    ——————-
    That’s the problem. I think Reagan said it best when he said, “It’s not that liberals are ignorant, it’s just that they know so much that isn’t so.”

    Anyone who’s bothered to actually learn what happened knows that the American Civil War started, well, hostilities began on April 12, 1861, when Confederate forces fired on Fort Sumter in South Carolina.

    Whatever excuses Tiger wants to give, the facts overrule. The war wasn’t started by a plan or by a troop movement, it started when the south undertook open, naked, unprovoked aggression.

  • Bob Roberts

    OOPS, rewrite that as necessary… lol!

  • Alphamail

    Since it hasn’t been thought of as an topic for ages, the spelling of it is all over the map.

    For those of you who don’t know, this is how you spell it!

    Liberals…………………SUCK-SEED

    Conservatives…………….SUCCEED

    Well intentioned patriots….SECEDE

  • Bob Roberts

    Tiger says: November 14, 2012 at 1:32 pm
    ——————————
    Tiger, it’s a simple math problem.

    If it were as simple as asking the rich to pay a bit more (and note all those rich people who claim it is are NOT willing to actually step up and pay ANY more), I would actually have to consider getting behind it.

    But even if you go all the way with that notion and simply confiscate all the riches of all the top 10%, you would not solve the problem Obama and the Demcorats (with SOME Republican help, admittedly, and we need to address that, too) have created.

    The only real way to fix this is to go where the bulk of the money moves – to the middle class and even the lower class, those who pay no taxes, get money back due to refundable “tax credits” and still whine about how the money the rich earn legally is somehow “stolen” from them.

    Once you establish the government has the right to tax as much as it wants however it wants, and we’re basically there already, unfortunately, the government will inevitably go to the only source capable of rectifying their spending binge mentality – the vast majority of the population, the middle and lower class.

    Weren’t you paying attention when Alvin Lee warned, “Tax the rich, feed the poor, til there are no rich no more”?

    Who you going to advocate we go to for more taxes once we’ve taxed the rich to death?

    And no, you’re either sadly, dangerously mistaken when you claim, “the majority of taxes go to projects that benefit all citizens.”

    In fact the majority of taxes go to entitlements. Entitlements do not benefit all citizens, they only benefit those who receive them and, more and more, entitlements are going to those who did nothing to earn or deserve them.

    I’d ask “Haven’t you been paying attention” but your own posts prove you haven’t.

    GayShintoCommunist says: November 14, 2012 at 1:43 pm
    ————————
    Wow, so you’re against government subsidies. We’ll get you to admit you’re a conservative yet!

    Clearly you haven’t noticed we’re pretty much against government subsidies, too. They’re a great example of how government is doing things they have no business doing, thanks to the intervention of liberal activist judges legislating from the bench and socialist Democrats using subsidies to reward their political cronies.

    Check out where all the “green business” money went under Obama and the Democrats – to companies run by those who donated big to Obama and Democrats, which promptly went out of business, leaving the taxpayers to pick up the tab!

    Tiger says: November 14, 2012 at 1:42 pm

    That’s why I reject the Republicans’ rich-get-richer-poor-get-poorer model of capitalism.

    ——————–
    First, since when did we let lao back in here under false names?

    Second, STRAW MAN. That’s not the Republicans model. That’s the faux Demcorat model. The Republican model is give everyone a level playing field and let each person actually be equal in the eyes of the law and government so they can all achieve according to their effort and skills.

    It’s the Democrats who like to pick winners and losers. Ask Government Motors, still bleeding cash and not building cars anyone (but the government, apparently) wants to buy.

    Ask Solyndra… oh, wait, they’ve gone bankrupt! Never mind!

    GayShintoCommunist says: November 14, 2012 at 1:41 pm
    ——————
    On the contrary – statistics suggest beyond a reasonable certainty that voter fraud was rampant in key states that went for Obama. Just like Democrat-favoring vote fraud was statistically proven in Florida in 2000.

    How long after the election were they finding boxes of ballots in trunks of cars and closets that happened to favor Al Franken and Democrats in 2008? Did you know that a key state that went for Obama in 2008 allowed a person to register while giving only a park bench as their residence? Do you remember how ACORN was caught and convicted for voter fraud?

    Tiger says: November 14, 2012 at 1:32 pm

    Sam, if you think that requiring people who live in mansions to hand over less than 30% of their income so that people with absolutely nothing can afford to feed themselves is anything like what people held in bondage go through, you need a reality check.

    ———————-

    First, here are the top 2 definitions of slavery:

    system based on enslaved labor
    condition of being enslaved laborer

    When you force people to give what they have lawfully earned to government, for any purpose, you are enslaving them, making enslaved laborers out of them.

    Second, your contention that anyone in the United States has “absolutely nothing” or cannot afford to feed themselves is demonstrably false.

    In fact many of the “poor” in the United States typically have enough money to buy all manner of drugs and alcohol, many of them own guns (more than likely stolen but some of them purchased) that they use to supplement their EBT and other government handouts and their mug shots tend to run heavy with “bling”.

    It’s not that they have nothing, it’s that they continually make bad choices with what they do have, forcing us to continually pay for their bad choices.

    I know, I’ve walked and worked among them in several U.S. cities.

    Plus wasn’t it CLINTON who took credit for reforming welfare (when it was actually a Republican Congress that did so) and OBAMA that took credit for rolling back “Clinton’s” reforms (when it was actually a Democrat Congress that did so) even though BOTH SIDES agreed the welfare reforms really helped the poor and those on welfare most of all?

    Tiger says: November 14, 2012 at 1:08 pm
    —————–
    Actually there was no switch in ideologies – you even got that wrong.

    What switched was party affiliation, not ideology. Former Democrats became Republicans as the south’s electorate realized that racism and all that went with it was wrong and turned Conservative.

    Remember what a big deal Democrats made out of Strom Thurmond’s past when they viciously attacked him at age 100? The one detail they neglected to mention was Strom Thurmond was a Democrat back then.

    And when, on his 100th birthday, Lott complimented Thurmond, the left attacked him – and forgot to mention he, too, was a former Demcorat!

    Obviously this is yet another case of your failure to take or pay attention during basic civics classes. Who was it that attempted to filibuster and defeat Civil Rights legislation every time it came up?

    Democrats.

    That’s who.

  • big-pete

    Tiger says: November 14, 2012 at 1:32 pm – Sam, if you think that requiring people who live in mansions to hand over less than 30% of their income so that people with absolutely nothing can afford to feed themselves is anything like what people held in bondage go through, you need a reality check.

    Being an atheist I’m sure the question will confuse you but anyway…

    By what moral authority do you claim the right to forcibly take other man’s property to “benefit the poor” or any other pet cause you might have? Seems to me it’s nothing more then they have it to take and that you can take it.

    Why then can’t this be done to you? I’m sure you’re much better off then many folks say in Somalia (since you brought it up). Do they have a moral claim on your “excess” property? If not, why not?

  • Bob Roberts

    Geeknerd says: November 14, 2012 at 1:03 pm
    —————–
    Geeknerd, I cannot disprove your notion of an intervetionist God that uses heathen nations to punish other heathen nations.

    I do want to suggest that any such action is not the action of God, who by the doctrine of free will does not intervene, generally in such earthly matters but rather such actions are just evil attacking evil to create more evil.

    Think about it and get back to me if you like.

    I’m not saying God NEVER intervenes, just that the typical, “If God is so good, why did he make (being omnipotent, therefore incorrectly stated to have been ultimately behind this) Hitler kill 6 million Jews” moonbat nonsense is similar to what you posted.

    God didn’t “let” or “use” anyone. Those were the works of evil men who were driven by evil, not good, not God.

    It is difficult to imagine why such evils are allowed, but in general we can’t have someone else cleaning up our mess, which also happened to be my explanation for why Roberts voted the way he did. At some point we have to learn to stop electing Democrats and the best way to do that is to suffer 4 years of Obamacare and learn our lesson. Well, best way for Democrat voters, that is. I know we don’t deserve it, but for them to learn we have to grin and bear it, too. There simply is no other way.

    I thought 4 years of Obama would be enough to teach the lunatic liberal leftist moonbats.

    I’ve been wrong before and I was apparently wrong again.

    At least, I thought I was wrong.

    Once.

    Turned out I was mistaken!

  • Bob Roberts

    Obama to Democrats, who voted for him in 2008 and voted for him again in 2012. At least we note less people made that mistake in 2012!

    In case you don’t quite get it, Kevin Bacon is the Democrats who voted for Obama. Obama is the guy on the other end of the… well now do you get it?

  • Bob Roberts

    big-pete says: November 14, 2012 at 7:40 pm
    ————–
    Great post. Succinct.

    I’m sure he talks the talk but DOES NOT walk the walk, like all the other lunatic lyin’ lefty loser moonbats.

  • Bob Roberts

    Winston Smith says: November 14, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    ————–
    Be careful what you wish for.

    While KKKalifornia is rapidly and unfortunately becoming both a socialist paradise overrun by cheap illegal labor (which is why they are so for encouraging illegals – they need maids and gardeners but refuse to pay them “living wages”) and a huge potential liability, it has always been a great economic engine for the U.S. as a whole in the past, plus it is a source of a lot of the foods many eat as well.

    Allowing even KKKalifornia to secede would be a mistake.

    You are 100% correct – secession is silly and won’t happen.

    Just ask the Czech Republic and Slovakia.

    Or Macedonia, Serbia, Montenegro, Slovenia, Croatia, Kosovo, Bosnia and Herzegovina.

    Or that great experiment in socialism now known as THE FORMER Soviet Union and all of the various subjugated areas that once made it up and, if Putin gets his way, will unite once again under his iron fist!

    Um… never mind!

  • Grunt

    Thanks, Alphamail. :)

  • TonyD95B

    Loopy Loony Lemming-Like Lying Lobotomized Liberal Losers always miss the point with this “fair share” nonsense.

    Under the current system, the top percentage of earners pay most of the Federal income taxes, and the bottom half pay nothing. Both groups pay all the indirect taxes, such as Sales Tax, Motor Fuel tax, etc.

    Regardless, the point that everybody on the Left misses is this: The government does not have a “right” to tax citizens. We as citizens tell OUR government what it is we WANT it to do, and ALLOW it to levy and administer taxes only for the purpose of doing the things we have instructed it to do, such as state and national defense, infastructure, education, etc.

    This does NOT mean that those in power can just arbitrarily decide they want to do this or that and then stick us with the bill.

    It has been very fashionable the last few years to talk about a “Flat Tax” where everyone pays the same percentage, and deductions are minimized / simplified.

    This isn’t really fair, either. After all, what does INCOME have to do with CITIZENSHIP? We’re all supposed to be “equal”, right?

    Let’s say we have a 10% Flat Tax. Why should someone who makes $250,000.00 a year have to pay $25,000.00, when another citizen that makes $50,000.00 a year only has to pay $5,000.00? Aren’t they equal in citizenship and in the eyes of the law? Can’t we each only drive one car at a time on the roads? Don’t we all consume the same amount of oxygen, require the same amount of police coverage, etc.?

    Want to play Devil’s Advocate and get the point across? Propose this: Instead of a “Flat Tax”, how about a “Flat Rate Tax”?

    In other words, let’s figure out what we want the government to do next year, tally up the total amount of taxes needed to do it, and then divide by the number of citizens. That way every citizen is equal and pays exactly the same.

    Their “fair share”, as it were.

    Hahahahahahahah…………howyalikemenow, liberal motherf#ckers?

  • Sam Adams

    TonyD95B says:
    November 14, 2012 at 10:08 pm

    Loopy Loony Lemming-Like Lying Lobotomized Liberal Losers always miss the point with this “fair share” nonsense.

    Under the current system, the top percentage of earners pay most of the Federal income taxes, and the bottom half pay nothing. Both groups pay all the indirect taxes, such as Sales Tax, Motor Fuel tax, etc.

    Regardless, the point that everybody on the Left misses is this: The government does not have a “right” to tax citizens. We as citizens tell OUR government what it is we WANT it to do, and ALLOW it to levy and administer taxes only for the purpose of doing the things we have instructed it to do, such as state and national defense, infastructure, education, etc.
    ________________

    Of course under the powers delegated by the states to the federal government, the federal government has no business in building infrastructure, education, or a host of other activities. Not only aren’t they constitutional, but they are a bad idea.

    For example, why should the folks be involved in building a high speed train in California? The good folks of California would be the ones to benefit from this train, plus they are the ones who know if it is needed and whether the cost can be justified sufficient to justify them taxing themselves to build the train.

    Plus….when the federal government gets out of the train building business, all those lobbyists on behalf of the train builders and environmentalists go away.

  • Sam Adams

    BTW, Tony, your point is excellent;it costs no more to defend a rich man than a poor man. The courts provide each with a location to air their grievances. Of course, “the poor” really can’t afford to pay their fair share of the benefits they receive from the government.

  • Alphamail

    big-pete @ 7:40 pm

    As a devout right-wing evangelical conservative Christian I believe I speak for the real Christian “base.”

    Believe what you want bro and God bless you – oops sorry – happy trails (or something).

    It’s a Christian’s responsibiltiy to lead a life you would want to emulate. If you don’t see Christians that way it’s generally not your burden.

    Again, happy trails.

    Having said all that, I’m surprised you can actually quote Scripture:

    “By what moral authority do you claim the right to forcibly take other man’s property to ‘benefit the poor’ or any other pet cause you might have? Seems to me it’s nothing more then they have it to take and that you can take it. Why then can’t this be done to you?”

    The Book of Big Peter Chapter 11, Verse 14, Revised, unadulterated version, 2012

  • Alphamail

    TonyD95B

    If you read my post on an earlier Thread (no biggy if you didn’t), I’m all for striking back at the very heart of liberals with that “fair” thing – they wouldn’t survive the smackdown. As per your 10:08 pm “head plant” on the libs – Ibelikinyanow.

  • Sam Adams

    Alphamail says:
    November 14, 2012 at 10:36 pm

    big-pete @ 7:40 pm

    As a devout right-wing evangelical conservative Christian I believe I speak for the real Christian “base.”

    Believe what you want bro and God bless you – oops sorry – happy trails (or something).

    It’s a Christian’s responsibility to lead a life you would want to emulate. If you don’t see Christians that way it’s generally not your burden.
    ____________

    I’ve got a question for you Alphamail…and for anyone else who wants to chime in.

    It appears than many republicans stayed home rather than voting for Mitt Romney. How much of that was influenced by good evangelicals not being able bring themselves to vote for a Mormon?

    Was that a significant factor in voter turnout?

  • whotothewhat

    I realize this petition will go no where, and yes I did sign it. But the bigger picture is can this be become a actual political movement? Why not have some push back against those that want to tear down this country. I have said this before, it will start in our own homes first. then to our neighborhoods then to our town, next our counties then the state. Think about it States rights movement can be started locally then moved to the State house we will not need to run a national candidate.

  • http://billllsidlemind.blogspot.com/ Billll

    Instead of 50 states petitioning separately to secede, perhaps they should petition jointly to have D.C. thrown out of the union.

  • 762×51

    Secession is the only way to preserve the founders ideals such as liberty and real American values like hard work leading to prosperity. Let the Marxist swine wallow in their own filth while we build a new America based on the Constitution in the southern states. This means fighting the civil war I have so long predicted but we must now either fight or live as slaves to a totalitarian Marxist government.

    We need to do this immediately for two reasons. 1) Waiting for the enemy to complete their plans before we strike will lead to failure and slavery. 2) I want to kill these Marxist scum like Tiger so bad I can hardly contain myself. I have said for a long time here ballots or bullets. Ballots can no longer succeed as long as the commie dirt bags give away free stuff to their freeloader constituents so it must be bullets.

    Tiger, I can only hope I get to draw down on you one day soon you vile, cretinous vomit sack. Your death will make the world a better place. Dialogue is no longer possible, one of us must die, odds are it will be you.

    Clean up America, kill a liberal.

  • 762×51

    whotothewhat says:
    November 15, 2012 at 7:06 am

    I realize this petition will go no where, and yes I did sign it. But the bigger picture is can this be become a actual political movement? Why not have some push back against those that want to tear down this country.

    Who – The petitions will never be approved, it is not in the nature of an oppressor to voluntarily allow those they are oppressing go free. The value of the petitions are that they obey the forms and traditions we have followed historically. The lefts desire for control of your daily life is pure evil, that is undeniable, except for the liars and sychophants of that regime. We have done everything we can to divest ourselves of evil in a peacable manner. We spoke out against it, we voted against it, we petitioned it to leave us alone but evil must never allow freedom it must always control and enslave. So now comes the part that has always been the way that evil has been defeated, force of arms.

    Evil will not simply go away or stop on its own or stop because it has been asked nicely. It must be destroyed by force, in all of human history this has been the case, today is no exception. You must either submit and accept evil or fight it and possibly perish in that fight. Just as the men at Lexington and Concord or Gettysburg or Normandy faced evil and fought it many giving up their lives so that you and I may live free, so must we now take up that obligation to generations unborn so that they may know freedom as we did. Fear is not an excuse, and you cannot rationalize acceptance of evil, the choice is clear except for those who are fearful or themselves servants of evil.

    I die free. How will each of you decide?

  • Cameraman

    762X51 I agree and if you Miss the SOB, I”am sure you”ll have a Backup, Oh By the Way its Ironic that the American Commie Scum will face Russian Surplus Arms, Damn you have to love the Poetic Justice!

    Semper Fi

  • TonyD95B

    RE: Sam Adams at November 14, 2012 at 10:30 pm:

    Your point about the Federal government is correct, and all the dumba## “Light Rail” projects are an excellent example.

    Keep in mind that I’m talking about ALL government – Federal, State, County, etc. The government at ALL levels belongs to, “We The People” and is supposed tp only be doing what we empowe it to do.

    RE: Sam Adams at November 15, 2012 at 4:07 am:

    Sam asks, “It appears than many Republicans stayed home rather than voting for Mitt Romney. How much of that was influenced by good evangelicals not being able bring themselves to vote for a Mormon?”

    Can’t say that I heard anybody on the Conservative side say they wouldn’t vote for a Mormon.

    I was actually using his Mormonism as a talking point with some of my more “liberal” acquaintances who said he had, “Too extreme of a social agenda”. This is actually a euphemistic code phrase for being “Anti-Abortion”, which is also euphamistically (and dishonestly) called, “Limiting women’s access to health care”.

    I used to point out that, in addition to being anti-abortion, Mitt Romney is a devout Mormon who does not drink, either.

    In spite of his “extreme” anti-alcohol stance, I seriously doubt Mitt would do anything to keep me from buying a case of beer this weekend, even though he has strong personal beliefs against it.

    Same is true of abortion – none of the Republican presidents since Roe vs Wade have issued any executive orders or otherwise tried to outlaw abortions or make mammographies illegal*, and besides, the LEGISLATIVE branch introduces laws, not the EXECUTIVE.

    *Ironic that the Left’s “third favorite” religion (after Climate Change and Neocommunism) actually IS trying to limit women’s access to abortions, mammographies, health care, car keys, education, Victoria’s Secret undergarments, etc. I am, of course, referring to those Koranimals affectionately known as Islamofascists……

  • big-pete

    Alphamail says: November 14, 2012 at 10:36 pm

    I’m missing your point and apparently your source of anger. If you care to be a bit clearer I will try to respond.

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