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Nov 20 2012

Blame the Christians

The mainstream media has so much fun blaming Christians for the ills of the world, why don’t we join in? This time Christians might really be at fault:

The Rev. Franklin Graham has a message for Christians who are unhappy with the results of the 2012 presidential election: You only have yourself to blame. In a recent interview with CBN News Chief Political Correspondent David Brody, Graham said that the majority of Christians simply don’t vote — inaction that has dire consequences in local and national elections, alike.

“What is your message to folks who are wondering what just happened, and it looks like they feel a semi hit them?,” Brody asked the faith leader, clearly referring to the aftermath of the 2012 presidential election.

Graham responded by noting that, based on statistics he’s seen, the majority of Christians do not vote in America. With a dearth of evangelicals heading to the polls, the son of the famed Rev. Billy Graham said that the responsibility for an Obama re-election win is on Christians’ shoulders.

Graham doesn’t need to tell us how to vote. By now it is abundantly clear that Barack Obama — with his emphasis on promoting degeneracy, abortion, authoritarianism, and mass theft — is the political personification of evil. It is the duty of the morally sane to do all in their power to stop the Democrat Party; the starting point is voting and making sure others do too.

But voting will have to wait for 2014. In the meantime, our job is not to succumb to apathy and despair.

On a tip from Sam Adams.

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  • Spider

    Here’s some info that will show you exactly where, and with whom, your president really stands, and where they intend to take you and this country.

    http://freedomoutpost.com/2012/11/obama-held-first-meeting-after-election-with-socialists-and-communists/

  • A. Levy

    Here’s the question i would have asked Rev. Graham given the opportunity. (BTW, i do love his crackers)

    Suppose every single person in the country voted for Romney, Rev, who would be president today?

    Voting is nothing more than an anesthetic, designed to keep the sheep calm and quiet.

  • Beef

    “In the meantime, our job is not to succumb to apathy and despair.”

    Just to pay for it.

  • Highway Hospital Student

    A levy,

    Question for you: Which do you like best? Sports talk radio or stacking beer cans?

  • Mlane

    Mr.Levy, when new supreme court justices are named who will rule against the morals and wishes of half the legal voters in this country, when Jan 1 comes up and your flex spending account is capped at half what it once was making it harder to pay expenses for your handicapped child, when you are unable to deduct charitable contributions or keep your small business afloat, when you need Medicare benefits and find a long wait behind younger citizens and illegal aliens, when you finally “find out” along with Nancy Pelosi what actually is in the healthcare bill, among a thousand other changes you have yet to even imagine, it will become quite clear to you that elections have consequences for the “sheep.” And the two major political parties of this country could not be more ideologically different.

  • IslandLifer

    I had a roommate who was JW. I will never criticize any Christian sect so long as they are practicing Christ like virtues. However, I could never understand or get him to tell me exactly why it was they would not vote or have anything to do with patriotism. Even after pointing out the fact that without liberty he would not be able to practice his religion. A very nice guy but JW will never participate in voting. Sad, but true.

  • Skyfall

    First of all, Mr. Graham wasn’t telling you HOW to vote. He was pointing out that Christians DIDN’T vote. (I’m not sure if that’s statistically true or not, but that’s what he’s saying.)

    No one bothers to ask why. Apathy? Really? I don’t know too many Christians who are apathetic about what is happening.

    No, there is more afoot here than just some stupid political “ground game” or a “get out the vote” effort.

    America is no longer a majority center-right nation. God put Barack Obama back in office for His reasons. Maybe it’s to bring America to it’s knees (literally) and show them to trust in Him, not politicians. Maybe it’s to stop America from being able to impede the coming of the evil one. Who knows?

    America has turned it’s back on it’s founding Christian principles. We are now embracing, teaching and institutionalizing perverse behavior. We are setting up Israel for a fall while constantly apologizing for Islam.

    With two generations of people now indocrinated in leftist, secular thinking, voting no longer matters. We must put our faith in God alone.

  • Skyfall

    Two points to Island:

    First, practicing Christ-like virtues is fine and would make one a good person, but that’s got nothing to do with what Christianity is about.

    Second, anyone that doesn’t vote BECAUSE they’re a Christian and feels they don’t need to participate is a numbskull.

    That said, I still say the voting no longer matters. I personally WILL still vote, but without a fundamental shift in thinking, the leftists now have it in the bag for many many decades to come.

    …unless God steps in, of course.

  • Bad Barry
  • TED

    Did he say anything about the 45 million that cast 60 million votes??

  • TED

    Skyfall says: November 20, 2012 at 2:21 pm

    We can all hope the Mayans are right. Way better than living as a slave to liberalism.

  • Skyfall

    LOL, well TED, the Mayans are wrong, but I take your point. This new political climate will not last, but the question is “how long before it collapses?”

    The Dark Ages are now looked at as a blip, but they went on for 500 years, so…

    (I don’t think it’ll take that long this time!)

  • TED
  • Highway Hospital Student

    With two generations of people now indocrinated in leftist, secular thinking, voting no longer matters —SkyFall

    That may be true. Now.

    The single, last bit of political power Americans had was just squandered by idiots;— By letting even dumber idiots vote in their places.

    I don’t know what’s worse; the entitlement trash that voted for BO in order to keep their beer money, or the idiots wallowing in defeatism who didn’t vote against BO.

    But overall, I believe BO was right–in the final analysis, Americans cling to their guns and religion.

    To the point that they will find any excuse not to get up off their knees or off their great red, speckled, pious, sanctimonious asses to go out and vote.

    I don’t know exactly why a lot of Christians didn’t vote, but there appears to be a self-fulfilling prophecy at work.

    So by not voting, they just wrecked the country.

    The election was in the margin of fraud and 350,000,001 more votes could have kept the Kenyan out of office.

    I think there is a lot of brain-dead, self-righteous idiots that think they have nothing to lose, are not financially-vested in the country, listen to sports radio while the liberals are listening to NPR, and are hoping for a riot in the streets (initiated by someone else of course) that will purge the country.

    That’s probably why a lot of people, including Christians didn’t vote at the most critical watershed moment in the country’s history since Valley Forge– –they just hoped to see the country go down the toilet.
    .
    OR (and/or) they didn’t want to vote for a Mormon.
    .

    For whatever reason you Christians (or otherwise) had for not voting (not you, Skyfall) you just pissed your beer out on the graves of better men who made this country what it was.

    .
    Smooth move Ex-Lax.

  • Not so fast

    The social justice “Christians” – mostly blacks – voted for Obama. Then, there were the “Nuns for Obama” and MANY liberal Catholic women – who use birth control – and supported Obama. Many people who might mark “Christian” on their voter registration are actually liberal – NOT conservative.

    Most Evangelical Christians supported Romney.

  • Python

    Two quotes for John Philpot Curran seem to sum things up: -
    “It is the common fate of the indolent to see their rights become a prey to the active. The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance; which condition if he break, servitude is at once the consequence of his crime and the punishment of his guilt.” — John Philpot Curran
    And one attributed to him but could be Edmund Burke
    : – “Evil prospers when good men do nothing.”

  • Ghost of FA Hayek

    Mlane
    This link from JDavid suggests you may as well check with Jeb Bush or Crispie Creme on those issues.
    http://washingtonexaminer.com/jeb-christie-on-top-for-2016/article/2513852#.UKwaJIZXI3w
    Apparently the RINO gods already have 2016 all staked out.

  • Highway Hospital Student

    Most Evangelical Christians supported Romney.

    Not enough. That’s the point and nothing but the point.

    .

    : – “Evil prospers when good men do nothing.”

    Assuredly. But I would modify this to:

    : – “Evil prospers when brain-dead, self-righteous idiots that think they have nothing to lose, are not financially-vested in the country, listen to sports radio while the liberals are listening to NPR, and are hoping for a riot in the streets (initiated by someone else of course) that will purge the country men do nothing.

  • Highway Hospital Student

    Ghost,

    I’m so out of here by 2016, I don’t care if Joe Biden uses Nancy Pelosi as a hand puppet to run the country.

  • St. Gilbert

    @Skyfall–
    “America has turned its back on its founding Christian principles.”

    I’ve been wondering lately about those Christian principles and have started in on a theory. An honest question (not a set-up) — what are the Christian principles that you think America was founded upon? So you know where I’m going with this, I think the deism of many of our founders and the ruling elite of the 18th century is the cause of the atheism that informs the intellectual and ruling elite of today. Yesterday’s deists are today’s atheists. In other words, today’s secularism, relativism and growing atheism is an inevitable evolution of our founding genetics. (In fact, it goes back long before deism, but that’s another question). Anyway, your thoughts on those Christian (note: Christian) principles. Thanks.

  • Nicki Thomas

    But here’s the problem; the GOP now wants to become DemLights. They are quickly shifting to the left, which will FURTHER anger the decent white minority. I guess it might be more appropriate to call the new GOP DimLights, or maybe DimBulbs.

  • Skyfall

    Well, here is a quote:

    “The general principles, on which the Fathers achieved independence, were the only Principles in which that beautiful Assembly of young Gentlemen could Unite, and these Principles only could be intended by them in their address, or by me in my answer. And what were these general Principles? I answer, the general Principles of Christianity, in which all these Sects were United: And the general Principles of English and American Liberty, in which all those young Men United, and which had United all Parties in America, in Majorities sufficient to assert and maintain her Independence.

    “Now I will avow, that I then believe, and now believe, that those general Principles of Christianity, are as eternal and immutable, as the Existence and Attributes of God; and that those Principles of Liberty, are as unalterable as human Nature and our terrestrial, mundane System.”
    –Adams wrote this on June 28, 1813, excerpt from a letter to Thomas Jefferson.

    From Sam Adams:

    “And as it is our duty to extend our wishes to the happiness of the great family of man, I conceive that we cannot better express ourselves than by humbly supplicating the Supreme Ruler of the world that the rod of tyrants may be broken to pieces, and the oppressed made free again; that wars may cease in all the earth, and that the confusions that are and have been among nations may be overruled by promoting and speedily bringing on that holy and happy period when the kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ may be everywhere established, and all people everywhere willingly bow to the sceptre of Him who is Prince of Peace.”
    –As Governor of Massachusetts, Proclamation of a Day of Fast, March 20, 1797.

    …or…

    “The hope of a Christian is inseparable from his faith. Whoever believes in the divine inspiration of the Holy Scriptures must hope that the religion of Jesus shall prevail throughout the earth. Never since the foundation of the world have the prospects of mankind been more encouraging to that hope than they appear to be at the present time. And may the associated distribution of the Bible proceed and prosper till the Lord shall have made ‘bare His holy arm in the eyes of all the nations, and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God’ (Isaiah 52:10).”
    –Life of John Quincy Adams, p. 248.

    …or from William Penn:

    “I do declare to the whole world that we believe the Scriptures to contain a declaration of the mind and will of God in and to those ages in which they were written; being given forth by the Holy Ghost moving in the hearts of holy men of God; that they ought also to be read, believed, and fulfilled in our day; being used for reproof and instruction, that the man of God may be perfect. They are a declaration and testimony of heavenly things themselves, and, as such, we carry a high respect for them. We accept them as the words of God Himself.”

    I think that gives an indication of what the founders had in mind.

  • St. Gilbert

    Thanks. I know there were great Christian founders, but their deep Christian beliefs seem to have been intentionally left out of the founding documents, leaving open the abuse of “Liberty” that they so cherished. To what do you attribute America’s present-day, growing rejection of Christian principles at the political/governing level? (Leaving now, back in a few hours).

  • Beef

    From Reuters’ poll of 40,000+ voters, Romney’s share of the two party vote among white people by different religious self-identifications:

    Mormon 89%
    Baptist 79%
    Other Protestant 75%
    Methodist 66%
    Presybterian 65%
    Lutheran 60%
    All Whites 58%
    Catholic 57%
    Episcopal 55%
    Other Religion 51%
    Jewish 34%
    None 32%

  • Skyfall

    That’s a deep question, Gilbert. I can give you several opinions from secular indoctrination in public schools (which I consider different than simply not pushing religion in the classroom) to a general decay in society, which we see repeated over and over in history.

    Once that ball gets rolling for whatever reason, then the anti-Christian forces come out and mock, deride, slander, humiliate etc. etc. anyone that professes to be a Christian, Christian thought in general and Biblical Christianity most of all.

    There is also this: rejection of Christian principles (and more specifically, Christianity in general) in politics/government is a reaction (and rejection) of an authority higher than theirs. Secular progressivism IS a religion, and it tolerates no rivals. It’s denominations are environmentalism, feminism, social justice and racialism.

    As to Christianity being “left out”, I feel than anyone not trying real hard…REAL hard…to NOT see the thumbprint of Christian thought and ideals can’t miss them. They seem self-evident. To me, anyhow.

  • A. Levy

    Highway Hospital Student;

    A: Neither.

    Now here’s a question for you. And guess what? It has nothing to do with religion, just as religion has nothing to do with votes.

    Q: Suppose every single person in the country voted for Romney, who would be president today?

    “The electoral college is an inkblot on the Constitution…” — John Adams

  • Skyfall

    I should have specifically said “…Christian thought ‘left out’ of our founding documents”.

  • Sam Adams

    IslandLifer says:
    November 20, 2012 at 2:10 pm

    I had a roommate who was JW. I will never criticize any Christian sect so long as they are practicing Christ like virtues. However, I could never understand or get him to tell me exactly why it was they would not vote or have anything to do with patriotism.
    ___________

    Jehovah Witnesses don’t consider themselves “Christian.” While they believe in Christ, their emphasis isn’t on him being the Savior.

    They further believe that governments are pretty much tools of Satan, and that they only wish to have something to do with Jehovah’s government when he returns.

  • Sam Adams

    St. Gilbert says:
    November 20, 2012 at 6:16 pm

    Thanks. I know there were great Christian founders, but their deep Christian beliefs seem to have been intentionally left out of the founding documents, leaving open the abuse of “Liberty” that they so cherished. To what do you attribute America’s present-day, growing rejection of Christian principles at the political/governing level? (Leaving now, back in a few hours).
    ___________

    Europe of the founders time, embraced state religions. The Church of England was a good example, and the King of England was its head. Therefore, if you didn’t join/subscribe to the Church of England, you could also be considered disloyal to the Crown.

    Throughout the Scandinavian countries, the Lutheran Church was generally the state church. A percent of your income tax goes to support the church and a year of compulsory religious education was typical.

    By American standards, the churches in Europe are empty.

    So the founders didn’t want to emphasize one church over another, even though at the time that the US was founded, 9 of 13 colonies had “state” churches.

    John Adams stated that our form of government was only suitable for a religious, moral people; it is inadequate for governing those who aren’t religious and moral. “Church” is where you go every week to learn moral principles. It is where people are taught how to live their lives ethically. Good Christians don’t need the government to provide a law that states “thou shalt not commit adultery.” They have heard both the law and the reasons behind it since they were young. They are taught to be kind to others, even your enemies. For that reason, the US is by far and away the most generous country in the world when it comes to private donations.

    Of course liberals reject all that. They don’t believe that people will act morally unless they are forced to do so. They don’t trust people to be generous, thus they compel people to give up their private property, so that the government can be generous…with our money.

  • Sam Adams

    St. Gilbert says:
    November 20, 2012 at 5:35 pm

    @Skyfall–
    “America has turned its back on its founding Christian principles.”

    I’ve been wondering lately about those Christian principles and have started in on a theory. An honest question (not a set-up) — what are the Christian principles that you think America was founded upon? So you know where I’m going with this, I think the deism of many of our founders and the ruling elite of the 18th century is the cause of the atheism that informs the intellectual and ruling elite of today. Yesterday’s deists are today’s atheists. In other words, today’s secularism, relativism and growing atheism is an inevitable evolution of our founding genetics.
    ____________

    Our kids have been propagandized by public schools (or government schools). They have been methodically taught to believe that there is no God, that science has all the answers, and that belief in God is both quaint and unscientific.

    The left has consciously pursued this agenda for over 100 years. One of the main reasons is because they don’t like the US Constitution and the limits it places on the Federal Government.

    As to Christian principles, one need only read “The Sermon on the Mount” to hear the majority of Christian principles. Matthew 5 through 7. You can read it in maybe 20 minutes. It takes a lifetime to actually incorporate those principles in your life.

    Why, you might ask, should someone embrace living like a “Christian?” Very simply, because it is the path to happiness and joy in this life. Christ taught us how to resolve conflicts with others. He taught us about how we should treat members of the opposite sex. He taught us about being good to others and the rewards you receive when you treat others well.

  • St. Gilbert

    Thanks for the good discussion. I completely agree with all the reasons presented by Skyfall and Sam Adams on why atheism is on the rise. However, my question is directed at how, if America were truly founded on Christian principles, those principles are failing today. My theory says that America was not founded on actual Christian principles. It was founded on principles from the Enlightenment, and deism, the 18th century stage of the Enlightenment, was the basis of our founding documents. Along the road from deism to atheism we’ve passed through the stages of naturalism, scientism, secularism, and relativism. Prior to deism were the Enlightenment stages of rationalism and individualism. Anyway, I think the founders, the ruling elite of the time, built the country during a stage in post-Reformation Christianity that did not allow for true Christian principles to be expressed in the founding documents. That was the flaw. That flaw has left open the door for each successive stage that has led to where the country is today. As I said earlier, yesterday’s ruling class deists have evolved into today’s ruling class atheists. It was inevitable. It was written in our DNA.

    Secondly, I think that the god of the deists was not truly Christian at all. I think their god was “Liberty.” But their notion of liberty, while very close to being complete (natural law, unalienable rights and all that), was missing the element that would have made it nearly eternal. Missing that element left open the door for liberty to become license. It left open the door for liberty to ignore and reject the limits that real liberty must have. Their liberty left out the absolutely necessary connection to the fullness of truth. Truth demands limits. The truth is what makes us free. By not combining liberty with real Christian principles which are based fully in truth (and in Truth itself), the founders opened the door for atheism to eventually kill the Constitution from within.

    I know that every man-made system has within it the seeds of its own potential destruction. I don’t know how the founders could have avoided the seeming self-destruction of the Constitution (or seen the loss of moral virtue coming) without building a benevolent monarchy or something, but there’s little doubt that modern Liberals are exploiting some flaw in the Founding, and using the Constitution as the weapon for America’s suicide. This is as far as the founders’ liberty could take us. Liberty, it seems, is the god that failed. And isn’t it interesting that modern, largely Godless Liberals, who lay claim to Constitutional “liberty,” are smashing liberty (including religious liberty) everywhere they can? That’s because atheism has successive stages as well — despotism and totalitarianism.

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  • No so fast

    St. Gilbert,

    Can you please explain what you mean by “deism” and how that relates to the history of this country?

    It’s clear to me that the evil ones have kicked God out of the justice system and used the courts to take God and prayer out of the schools and replace them with scientific lies and communist teaching. This is exactly what the founding fathers tried to avoid. The Christians have tried to fight this all along, but the power of Satan is prevailing in the justice system.

  • St. Gilbert

    @Not so fast,

    Wikipedia has a good explanation in the intro. Scroll down to ‘Deism in the United States’ for its connections to Enlightenment ideas and to the Founders.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism

    I think the Founders’ error was in thinking that God could remain in America without an explicit and expressed mention of Christianity — to actual Christian principles. Their inclusion in the Declaration of “Creator” and “Supreme Judge of the world” and “unalienable rights” and “Laws of Nature” were absolutely necessary. These inclusions aligned with their deism. But their deism could not ultimately keep God in the country. Nowhere in the Constitution is reference made to God, let alone to any explicit Christian principles. The “thumbprint” of Christianity is there. But that was not enough. We needed a Constitution built on Christ Himself (see the new Hungarian constitution). Without that ultimate truth, there is left open the crack for secularism and atheism to creep in and to eventually open the Constitution to the most fundamental of all transformations — removing God altogether from government. Would a Constitution built on Christ keep the secularists/atheists at bay? Maybe not. But at least we would be fighting the enemy from without rather than from within.

  • Sam Adams

    St. Gilbert says:
    November 21, 2012 at 12:20 am
    _____________

    Gilbert, Christianity, indeed, religion in general is going against “human nature.” People by nature are greedy, covetous, lustful,….and just generally wicked. Our goal here on earth is to work to overcome that nature; to become more like God.

    In the Old Testament, we read about how God would enlighten his people through his prophets, and how they, over time, tended to move away from the commandments and information he provided them. Most of the latter part of the Old Testament is a listing of what will happen to the house of Israel if and when they reject God. And they rejected him, and those bad things came to pass.

    In the New Testament, Jesus Christ again provides commandments and teachings to those who will listen. His advice was to “come follow me.” But following him is hard. His apostles carried on his work, but they, too, knew that people had a tendency to leave those teachings, both personally and as a church.

    So there is the ongoing struggle against our natures. When Ben Franklin was asked what kind of government did he give us….a monarchy or a republic, he responded “a republic, if you can keep it.”

    Our government is based upon people voluntarily choosing to do good; to do the right thing. It is based upon us helping each other, rather than being legally required to help each other (which doesn’t work).

    Evil people have been subverting the government for many years, and we haven’t defended the government as outlined by the founders very well. How do you write a document that will actually drive an immoral president from office if the senate refuses to remove him after he is impeached? How do you write a document that will preserve the government if the chief executive passes laws by fiat, and the congress does nothing to protect their “turf” (think the “Dream Act”). The founding document provides for removing people by impeachment, but if they fear being called racists, then it isn’t the fault of the founding documents.

  • Not so fast

    St. Gilbert says:
    November 21, 2012 at 9:16 am

    Now where does the deism come in? Evangelical Christians believe that the Bible is the word of God and it is completely accurate. We believe in miracles and healing. We don’t study books that add or take away from the Bible. Obviously, you believe that the Catholic Church is the one true church and that only Catholics will get into Heaven, but THAT in itself is deism. The truth is that the ONLY ones who will get into Heaven are the followers of Jesus.

  • St. Gilbert

    –Sam Adams,
    I agree with much of what you wrote. If we tie our fallen human nature to the Natural and Moral Law, it is clear that human beings have a final cause and purpose that is linked to God. The Founders certainly understood that. They all knew that morality and religion are indispensable supports for political prosperity.

    My question of how our government has devolved from something God-based into this growing full-blown secularism is meant only to ask if it could have turned out differently, or if some key thing was missing from the get-go. I know it’s a lot of unfair Monday-morning-quarterbacking, but if there be an America Part II, can such a takeover be avoided by actually installing true Christian principles in the new founding documents? I don’t know for sure, but since our Founders intentionally left out references to the God of Christianity, and we see the gradual elimination of God over 200+ years, maybe it can be improved upon. If not, if our Constitution is the best that Christians can devise, then it seems that secularism and atheism will ultimately always prevail — at least in human governance.

    –Not so fast,
    The deism comes in because, while there is mention of “Creator” etc, no link is made to Christianity itself. Deists largely reject Christian doctrine, and thus our Founders, products of the Enlightenment, excluded explicit Christian principles. I don’t believe that only Catholics are going to heaven, and Catholicism is certainly not deism. But those are leaps that are not relevant in the discussion of forming a lasting government tied to God.

  • Not so fast

    St. Gilbert,

    I am so confused by your logic. The Catholic Church teaches that people cannot understand their own Bibles and that they need a man to interpret. Catholics also believe that you need a man to intercede in forgiveness and that one shouldn’t go straight to Jesus. That is a man-made doctrine and in direct contrast to what the Bible says. How is that not deism?

  • St. Gilbert

    –Not so fast,
    We are miles off course here. You brought Catholicism and Catholic dogma into the discussion for some reason. I’d rather not go into Catholic apologetics, but deism and Catholicism have nothing in common. Read the Wikipedia page I linked earlier. Deism comes out of the Enlightenment, fully 1600 years after the founding of the Church. The Church considers deism a heresy (deism holds: God as an impersonal divine watchmaker, a rejection of the Trinity, a rejection of Jesus’ divinity, the absurdity of Christianity…). It’s no wonder that deism begets atheism. Here’s more if you’re interested.

    http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=289122

    As for your other thoughts, Catholic doctrine is thoroughly Biblical and reason-based, believe it or not. For your own intellectual integrity, please do some honest investigation into Christian history. Maybe, prayerfully, you’ll come to the same conclusion that many intelligent Protestants have come to. In the words of a great convert to Catholicism, John Henry Newman, “To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant.” Good luck.

  • Sam Adams

    Gilbert….

    The founders were not deists. They were largely Christians. They did not largely reject Christian doctrines.
    ________

    My question of how our government has devolved from something God-based into this growing full-blown secularism is meant only to ask if it could have turned out differently,…

    Our government was never “God based” but freedom based. The founding fathers were very concerned about whether we were a righteous enough people to be able to govern ourselves. The constitution gave us as much freedom as possible, however, the question is how have we used that freedom?

    The constitution, for example, is silent on the issue of marriage. No doubt that the founders would think it silly to even consider the concept that a child raised by two men, or two women could possibly receive the same benefits as a child raised by a man and woman in a loving relationship.

    The founders would be horrified by the thought of 50 million unborn children murdered because their mothers didn’t want them. Of course, protecting unborn children was naturally thought to be one of the issues for the states to protect, just as they protect their citizens from all other criminal activities. It was the corrupt court system that invented the right to privacy, nullifying all state laws with regards to abortion.

    The founders were hopeful that the federal government would be kept in check by the states. Unfortunately the concept of states’ rights were seriously damaged by the civil war, and further damaged when Senators were no longer representatives of the states but instead were elected by the people of the state.

    Obviously we would have been well served to have never had the 16th, 17th, and 18th amendments to the Constitution ratified. Unfortunately we have only had the good sense to repeal one of them.

    Although America is severely damaged, it is not over yet. We do, however, have a mighty struggle ahead. First thing to do is to rap everyone on the head that calls our country a Democracy. It isn’t; it never was intended to be so, and it is the communists that are pushing us in that direction.

  • http://blog.cutthemalarkey.com Vic Kelley

    Mr. Graham has been misled. Romney and the rest of us were cheated. obama won because colored vote counters lied and cheated. That’s it. Blame the corrupt coloreds in Milwaukee, Philadelphia, Cleveland, etc. Voters didn’t decide this thing; vote counters decided it.

  • Antisocialist

    The Grahams has never been Christians.

    You should get the book: Billy Graham and his friends
    by Cathy Burns, great book exposing that wolf in sheeps clothing.

    Here’s a sermon about Billy too:
    http://wood.goodpreachin.com/

    scroll down to the last sermon named:
    Why I Believe Billy Graham Is Lost

    it’s a tight case against the Grahams.

  • St. Gilbert

    –Sam Adams,

    I agree that our Founding was freedom based and not necessarily God-based. I mentioned earlier that the God of the Founders was “Liberty” separated from God. That, I think, is largely what deism does. Liberty separated from God was the problem, since there is no real freedom separated from truth, from God. It just seems that if the Founders were such strong Christians, they’d have seen that simple truth and installed some actual Christian principles into the founding documents. My theory, weak as it is, is that the Enlightenment weakened their Christian principles, and those Enlightenment ideas trumped their Christianity when it came to founding the country. They thought they could secure a lasting Liberty without mention of the Christian God and true Christian principles. That weakened Christianity, which intentionally left out Christian principles from the founding documents, has evolved into the secular and atheistic governance now being accepted as fully Constitutional, and there is little chance to change that.

    I just found out that I’m not the only one with these wild notions. Here is a link to a book that I think covers some of the same ground. I’ll be ordering it soon.

    http://angelicopress.wordpress.com/liberty-the-god-that-failed/

    Thanks for the cordial discussion.

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