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Feb 06 2013

New York Times Explains Chicago’s Stratospheric Gun Violence

It is the duty of the media to condition the gullible to accept what liberalism is doing to our country. Here’s how the flagship publication of the left-wing ruling class (the NY Slimes) explains why Chicago is a national leader in both repressive gun laws and gun violence:

Not a single gun shop can be found in this city because they are outlawed. Handguns were banned in Chicago for decades, too, until 2010, when the United States Supreme Court ruled that was going too far, leading city leaders to settle for restrictions some describe as the closest they could get legally to a ban without a ban. Despite a continuing legal fight, Illinois remains the only state in the nation with no provision to let private citizens carry guns in public.

And yet Chicago, a city with no civilian gun ranges and bans on both assault weapons and high-capacity magazines, finds itself laboring to stem a flood of gun violence that contributed to more than 500 homicides last year and at least 40 killings already in 2013, including a fatal shooting of a 15-year-old girl [last] Tuesday.

Is it because law-abiding citizens aren’t allowed to defend themselves? Nah.

Chicago’s experience reveals the complications inherent in carrying out local gun laws around the nation. Less restrictive laws in neighboring communities and states not only make guns easy to obtain nearby, but layers of differing laws — local and state — make it difficult to police violations. And though many describe the local and state gun laws here as relatively stringent, penalties for violating them — from jail time to fines — have not proven as severe as they are in some other places, reducing the incentive to comply. …

“Chicago is not an island,” said David Spielfogel, senior adviser to [Mayor Rahm "Dead Fish"] Emanuel. “We’re only as strong as the weakest gun law in surrounding states.”

That is, it’s the rest of the country’s fault, for still honoring the Constitution. If we turn the whole country into Chicago, the rotting pustule of a city that produced Jesse Jackson, Louis Farrakhan, and Barack Obama won’t resemble the innermost circle of hell anymore.

Any liberal who can regurgitate this nonsense with a straight face gets extra brownie points for political obedience.

gun-free zone
Chicago city limits.

On a tip from Ghost of FA Hayek.

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  • Ummah Gummah

    .

    Any of you former or still NYers on MB know about the one remain ing gun shop in NYC:

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-OZwFWs-qkbE/TZexFglA1GI/AAAAAAAAAyE/siPpZuaXQbo/s1600/100_8249.JPG

    I wonder how much longer the oldest gun store in the United States will still be around.

    .

  • http://facebook Daniel Williams

    Again they blame legally purchased guns for gun violence when most of the guns used in crimes are stolen.

  • Eco

    Defenseless citizens coming soon … Brace yourselves, New Yorkers.

  • Mickey Shea

    LOL…it’s society’s fault, feral blacks have nothing to do with it !

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  • IslandLifer

    They’ve lost their damn minds.

  • IslandLifer

    Correction, They’ve gone STARK RAVING MAD!

  • DJ

    Vermont is the Valhalla of liberalism but it doesn’t have a gun violence problem. Which begs the question: could it possibly be there is another explanation other than liberalism that’s causing Chicago’s gun violence?

    One can’t help but notice wherever there’s large numbers of ‘urban youth’ there is a high rate of gun violence. Sans ‘urban youth’ there is a low to non-existent rate of gun violence, liberalism notwithstanding.

    Personally I blame Bush. “He doesn’t care about black people.” :-)

  • Scotty G.

    Does Chicago have a problem with cocaine? Is that because cocaine is legal in in surrounding communities? Am I to assume Chi-town has so many murders because murder is allowed in other areas of the country, and murderers are being imported into the city from the outside? C’mon man.

  • Ghost of FA Hayek

    “We’re only as strong as the weakest gun law in surrounding states.”

    For this theory to hold true, wouldn’t the rest of America be experiencing higher levels of anarchy than Chitcago ?

  • Ghost of FA Hayek

    Vermont is the Valhalla of liberalism but it doesn’t have a gun violence problem. Which begs the question: could it possibly be there is another explanation other than liberalism that’s causing Chicago’s gun violence?
    DJ
    Not according to this chart
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/interactive/2013/jan/15/gun-laws-united-states

  • Ummah Gummah

    That is, it’s the rest of the country’s fault, for still honoring the Constitution. If we turn the whole country into Chicago, the rotting pustule of a city that produced Jesse Jackson, Louis Farrakhan, and Barack Obama won’t resemble the innermost circle of hell anymore.

    You forgot Bill Ayers and his lovely wife, Rev. Wrong and Pastor Pfleger.

    I know, there are legions more. Hard to keep track of them all..

    .

  • Clingtomyguns

    “The critical importance of honest journalism and a free flowing, respectful national conversation needs to be had in our country. But it is being buried as collateral damage in a war whose battles include political correctness and ideological orthodoxy.”
    Juan Williams

    Their delusional and maniacal political correctness to never offend blacks and always cover, grovel and lie at all costs to not do so is directly proportional to the NY Slimes collapse as a serious paper and in their circulation. Even another recent article, authored by the very liberal editor of the Atlantic, begrudingly acknowledges that young black males are a huge factor contributing to gun-related homicides:

    “Race, unfortunately and tragically, factors into gun death at the metro level. The share of the population that is black is positively related to both the overall rate of gun death (.56) and even more so with gun-related homicides (.72). The pattern is similar for the share of the population that is comprised of young black males which is also positively related to the overall rate of gun death (.55) and murder by gun (.70).

    http://www.theatlanticcities.com/neighborhoods/2012/12/geography-us-gun-violence/4171/

    And what are the top 10 cities with the highest rate of gun-related homicides?: Of course, those indisputable cities with the large populations of young black males: New Orleans, Detriot, Baltimore, Oakland, Newark, St. Louis, Miami, Richmond, Philadelphia, Washington DC.

    http://www.theatlanticcities.com/neighborhoods/2012/12/geography-us-gun-violence/4171/

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._cities_with_large_African_American_populations

  • Ummah Gummah

    .

    Blaming gun violence in Chitcago is utter BS. Blame your turnstile justice system instead. That AND the fact that criminals know that any potential vic is guaranteed to be unarmed due to your restrictive anti-gun laws.

    The suburbs pay to keep Chitcago afloat and now they’re getting the blame for illegal guns used by criminals in that festering hole of a shitty?

    ANYTHING to avoid blaming the criminals themselves and ANYTHING to avoid blaming LIEberalism which has had a stranglehold on the other Mistake by the Lake since the Dawn of Man.

    Liberals need to look in the mirror longer than it takes to do a line of coke off of one.

    .

  • DJ

    Ghost, are you blaming Chicago’s very restrictive gun control laws for the high rate of gun violence in Chicago? Is that your claim?

  • Comrade J

    It’s always someone else’s fault socialists are a Failure.

    As for the “explanation”, it can not possibly get any dumber. If the surrounding laws are “causing” the Chicago violence because they are too “lax”, then the surrounding areas should have the same high level of violence, due to the that very “lax law problem”. Is that the case? New York Times? hello? hello…?

  • Jodie

    Obama tried to use the same argument about gun violence in Mexico. He and Calderone blamed the US for selling the guns to the Mexicans. Even Bloomberg tried to illegally buy guns in Arizona.

    When they couldn’t provide any proof for their phony allegations, Obama and Holder started the Fast and Furious gun running program to make it so.

  • DJ

    Indeed the enforcement of guns laws are too lax in the black communities. But what would happen if law enforcement started to enforce the gun laws already on the books? Does the term “disparate impact” come to mind? IOWs if law enforcement henceforth arrested all those that broke the gun laws then prosecuted them to the full extent of the law, the civil rights crowd would be screaming RACISM!!! Of course in the ensuing riots, vast swaths of Chicago would go up in flames. Everyone knows this;few are willing to publicly admit it.

    So what is the libs’ solution? Take away everyones right to own a firearm – even people that live in Vermont, a state that DOES NOT have a gun violence problem.

    Let’s be honest, the U.S.A. does not have a gun problem, it has a demographic problem; a problem that our current egalitarian social structure is incapable of grappling with.

    If the government was serious about solving the crime problem in the black ghettos, they would use similar tactics as the Brazilian government did in the favelas: send in the Federal troops to regain control …

  • TuTu Twinkletoes

    Comrades Chicago is a golden utopia on lake Cesspool err I mean Michigan. There are no gun deaths here because a law was passed. As soon as the best government money can buy passes a law the problem is fixed forever! Hmmm…what laws can we stealthily pass while making sure this crisis doesn’t go to waste.

  • Bo-Jangles

    Rahm Emanuel is simply doing what leftists always do. Blame it on someon else and move on. Chicago doesn’t have too many guns. Chicago has too many blacks.

  • Spider

    Ummah Gummah says:
    “Any of you former or still NYers on MB know about the one remain ing gun shop in NYC:”

    Ummah, i bought my first gun from old man Jovino in 1965. (Colt Det. Spl. gen. II) And yes, the place is still there, although they moved around the corner and of course, old man John is gone. It’s now owned by Charlie Wue. Charlie’s been there “many” years, and was John Jovino’s gunsmith. It’s still the only real gun shop left in NYC.

  • Rich

    Orrin Hatch: Gun Background checks could destroy Liberty,
    cause persecution..
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/31/orrin-hatch-gun-background-checks_n_2593761.html

  • Pointyhead

    Hack, this is simple. Just pass a law in Chicago so that criminals aren’t allowed to go to neighboring states and buy guns illegally. There, fixed it!

  • dan

    …maybe if Rahm erects a fence around Chicago to keep the evil guns out….maybe a concrete one and have guard towers and checkpoints manned by union goons er TSA

  • Mr Evilwrench

    Yeah, he’d like to interfere with IN, where we have sane laws and not so much violence. Tell ya what, twinkletoes, I won’t come to chitcago, don’t bring chitcago to me.

  • Rob Banks

    Oddly enough, Aurora, Illinois second largest city, has no ordinances prohibiting guns, and had exactly zero gun homicides last year. How do you suppose that works?

  • Jester

    ALWAYS somebody else’s fault. Gee, I wonder where he got that from?

  • Ghost of FA Hayek

    DJ says:

    Ghost, are you blaming Chicago’s very restrictive gun control laws for the high rate of gun violence in Chicago? Is that your claim?
    _____
    YES I am, DJ
    Since when do criminals and gang bangers heed gun laws ?
    By making it impossible for a law abiding citizen to defend himself against these well armed zombies, Chitcago is actually making crime quite easy and lucrative. Word is out. It’s easy pickings in the windy city.
    Who is it that the criminal fears, DJ ?
    The cops ?
    Or a well armed citizen protecting themselves and their property ?
    Sending in the Federal troops is akin to tyranny.
    All those Federal troops will do is impose martial law (or some such nonsense) and make freedom to those who are now victimized by this violence a thing of the past.
    Would you like to be forced to walk to work because your route has been designated a “no carjacking” zone ?
    No, DJ
    It’s high time we turn Chitcago over to the world’s largest standing army
    http://daily.bhaskar.com/article/WOR-TOP-gun-owners-in-us-could-outsmart-the-entire-chinese-army-4170681-NOR.html

  • DJ

    Ghost: “Since when do criminals and gang bangers heed gun laws ?”

    DJ: I never said they did.

    Ghost: “By making it impossible for a law abiding citizen to defend himself against these well armed zombies, Chitcago is actually making crime quite easy and lucrative. Word is out. It’s easy pickings in the windy city.”

    DJ: The how do you explain the high crime rate in Detroit? Michigan is a “shall issue” state thus most of the law abiding citizens in Detroit legally own guns (or are licence to carry) yet Detroit’s gun crime rate is higher than Chicago’s.

    Ghost: “Who is it that the criminal fears, DJ ?”

    DJ: No one, really.

    Ghost: “The cops ?”

    DJ: like I said, no one. Just last spring the Detroit’s ex police chief was robbed in broad daylight while he was out in front of his own house mowing his lawn. Cases of cops being victims of crime in Detroit are too numerous to list.

    Ghost: “Or a well armed citizen protecting themselves and their property ?”

    DJ: Again, the new breed of urban criminals are not afraid of armed citizenry, especially in the high crime zones they inhabit..

    Ghost: “Sending in the Federal troops is akin to tyranny.All those Federal troops will do is impose martial law (or some such nonsense) and make freedom to those who are now victimized by this violence a thing of the past.”

    DJ: “Which, of course, in the high crime zones is a vast improvement over the staus quo.

    Ghost: “Would you like to be forced to walk to work because your route has been designated a “no carjacking” zone ?”

    DJ: HUH? I’m not quite sure If that would be the case.

    Anyway, I don’t live in a high crime zone nor would I. Moreover, I avoid those areas just as I avoid the plague.

    Ghost: “It’s high time we turn Chitcago over to the world’s largest standing army
    http://daily.bhaskar.com/article/WOR-TOP-gun-owners-in-us-could-outsmart-the-entire-chinese-army-4170681-NOR.html

    DJ: That’s all well and nice, I’m sure. But lest we forget, we live in Black Run America (BRA): a place where defending yourself against “urban youths” with a firearm will put you in the unfortunate position of George Zimmerman.

  • Alphamail

    IslandLifer

    Correction: They’re f**cking crazy!

  • Alphamail

    Every festering pus politician and un-American public program seems to emanate from Shitcago.

    Obama’s University of Colorado speech where he said he wanted a civilian security force as large or larger than the American military would probably never see the light of day if it were not begun in the windy toilet bowl of America.

    So where is the festering pus politician to unveil the heinous program?

    Step forward faux-reverend Jackson – classless Chicago bullshi**er.

    http://lonelyconservative.com/2013/02/jesse-jackson-wants-dhs-to-patrol-the-streets-of-chicago/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+lonelyconservative%2FbdZb+%28The+Lonely+Conservative%29

  • Flu-Bird

    The NEW YORK SLIMES blames the NRA,GUN OWNERS,TEA PARTY,the 2nd AMENDMENT for all the shooting while the grey lady is on her last legs

  • h.

    I wonder what the gun violence #’s would look like if you removed gun violence perpetrated by blacks.

  • Ghost of FA Hayek

    DJ: The how do you explain the high crime rate in Detroit? Michigan is a “shall issue” state thus most of the law abiding citizens in Detroit legally own guns (or are licence to carry) yet Detroit’s gun crime rate is higher than Chicago’s.
    DJ
    This is how I explain it
    http://www.policymic.com/articles/22835/gun-control-facts-detroit-crime-rate-is-the-result-of-gun-control
    I believe Evel Knievel would have gotten better odds while over the Grand Canyon.
    Now, Republicans have recently tweaked these laws a bit,http://www.michiganradio.org/post/some-changes-michigans-gun-laws-quietly-going-effect
    but this is likely too little and too late for Detroilet, as pretty much all law abiding producers have already fled.
    But don’t worry, soon enough the zombies there will have eaten each other, with the motor city reverting back to corn field
    DJ
    I think your agenda is beginning to race ahead of your facts.
    You say we live in a BRA
    I say we are hamstrung by a LRA

  • DJ

    Ghost says: This is how I explain it
    http://www.policymic.com/articles/22835/gun-control-facts-detroit-crime-rate-is-the-result-of-gun-control

    DJ: The problem with that article you linked to is VERY misleading — actually it’s bullshit. The fact is it’s VERY easy to LEGALLY purchase a handgun in Detroit. All one has to do is go down to thier local precinct and apply for a permit to purchase a handgun. The applicant fills out a form (takes 5 minutes) then is given a test (takes 5 minutes[the answers are on the test!]) then if the applicant passes the test (which is ridiculously easy) the applicant will undergo a criminal background check (takes another 5 minutes). If the applicant meets all requirements he or she is issued a permit to purchase. The whole process takes less than twenty minutes.

    If you want, you can still beleive the high crime rate in Detroit (or Chicago) is due to gun control laws then go ahead on!

    BTW, BRA is only a stepchild of LRA. :-)

  • Clingtomyguns

    Rob Banks says:
    February 6, 2013 at 10:39 am Oddly enough, Aurora, Illinois second largest city, has no ordinances prohibiting guns, and had exactly zero gun homicides last year. How do you suppose that works?

    It works mathematically:

    Blacks make up 11% of population of Aurora:
    http://aurorail.areaconnect.com/statistics.htm
    And both blacks and whites cn carry and shoot back.

    But Chitcago is 33% black:
    http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/17/1714000.html
    And for the most part the only civillians that carry are criminals. Honest blacks and whites are scared.

  • Flu-Bird

    Chicago the WINDBAG CITY of demacratic WINDBAGS their mayor is a total jerk we all need to boycott both CHICAGO and NEW YORK this summer and let their stupid stuffed shirt mayors know why

  • DJ

    Both blacks and whites can legally own guns in Detroit but gun violence is triple that of Chicago.

    Cichaco isn’t even in the top ten of gun violence!

    http://www.theatlanticcities.com/neighborhoods/2012/12/geography-us-gun-violence/4171/

    No matter which way you slice and dice it, the adverse gun related crime rate is directly proportional to the percentage of the black population. Gun violence has NOTHING to do with gun control laws.

  • Veritas

    Why is it that surrounding areas that have different policies than Chicago and aren’t blessed with an African and Hispanic population aren’t warzones while Chicago and cities with the same population mix and policies are more dangerous than Afghanistan?

  • Ghost of FA Hayek

    LRA is responsible for the policies which foster the real problem of inner cities such as Chitcago and Detoilet
    Gangs
    _________

    Gun violence has NOTHING to do with gun control laws.
    DJ
    One can certainly argue a deterrent effect
    http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/493636.html
    However, absent any real reforms on the revolving doors of justice, and wasting jail space on petty dope heads instead of providing permanent accommodations (or better yet the chair) for the bangers the cops are lucky enough to nab, I say it is a gross injustice to deny second amendment rights to those law abiding citizens caught up in these war zones.
    And it would be equally wrong to surrender sovereign American soil to these scum unless they are converted to fertilizer.

  • DJ

    Ghost writes: “However, absent any real reforms on the revolving doors of justice, and wasting jail space on petty dope heads instead of providing permanent accommodations (or better yet the chair) for the bangers the cops are lucky enough to nab, I say it is a gross injustice to deny second amendment rights to those law abiding citizens caught up in these war zones.”

    DJ says: Well said and I agree (except I’m against the death penalty; the criminal justice system is too corrupt to trust them with such grave matters).

    PS,

    If you (et Al) have some spar time here is a great exploratory piece about the crime culture in Detroit.

    >>>Living with murder: The agony of Detroit’s neighborhoods — and their cry for help<<<

    http://www.freep.com/article/20111113/NEWS01/111130533

  • creeper

    Oh, for chrissake. I’m licensed to carry in Iowa and according to this reasoning Chicago’s murders are my fault. Un-fracking-believable.

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  • Ghost of FA Hayek

    DJ
    From your link
    “We need to make it clear: These horrible incidents, the abnormal has now become the normal, and we cannot, we will not accept that,” Minister Malik Shabazz, a Detroit activist, said at the funeral. Brooks nodded in agreement.
    Shabazz is the problem, not the solution
    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/03/28/minister-malik-shabazz-threatens-to-burn-down-detroit-over-white-supremacy/

  • DJ

    Shabazz is the problem, not the solution
    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/03/28/minister-malik-shabazz-threatens-to-burn-down-detroit-over-white-supremacy/

    What is the difference between Shabazz and Obama’s worldview? … if any?

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