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Feb 19 2013

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Via American Freedom Gear, on a tip from G. Fox.

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  • http://baneoftheleft.blogspot.com/ Andre Maunsell

    This man is an absolute super hero and rock star of economics. I envy him but will eventually be his equal in education in a few short years.

  • Alphamail

    URGENT: WHITE FLASH MOB VANDALIZES BLACK NEIGHBORHOOD

    A group of twelve all-white members of “Save Our City” descended upon a south side neighborhood of Chicago today, armed with hammers, screwdriver-shaped daggers, and apparent lynching ropes, in what Police Superintendent Gerry McCarthy called an aggravated attempt to trespass and disrupt the daytime quietude and ambiance of one of McCarthy’s busier nighttime communities.

    All twelve of the daylight terrorists were apprehended.

    “Damn these white people,” McCarthy bellowed, “their special interest groups, gun fanatics, and racist oppression are ruining Chicago’s South Side and we’re not going to tolerate it.” He then pointed out that one of the captured violators was wearing a Sarah Palin T-shirt, while another wore one with an Ice T graphic, which McCarthy explained, was proof they were part of the Tea Party.

    When interviewed, the self-admitted leader of the attackers, Bubba Kowalski, said they were invited by the owner of the small home where they were captured, Ms. Moeisha Tadeesha Jackson, and her son Cleophus Ziggy RUreal, to repair their picket fence which they purchased with EBT cards at the nearby recently looted and burned down Home Depot.

    “We brought our tools and donated building materials,” Kowalski stated, as he held up an extension cord and pointed to a pile of lumber, “and were going to help this lady rebuild her fence after some black gang members – who killed three people and were running from the police – ran it over last night.”

    “We can’t tolerate these crackers and white supremacists coming into our jurisdiction and fomenting chaos,” the Superintendent cried, “we’ve got a job to do, and all they’re interested in is clinging to weapons and stirring up trouble.”

    One of the reporters reminded the head of the Chicago Police Department that the weapons were skill saws and drills and sawzalls.

    “Book every one of these honky bastards,” the chief ordered, as he looked over the confiscated evidence, “I can tell from here, they all have triggers.”

  • IslandLifer
  • dan

    Seeing as the democrats in office think its okay to “inconvenience” the 87 million gun owners in this country… then they must certainly be willing to actually address the problem:

    …nations population 320 million people
    …there are 87 million gun owners
    …blacks are only 12% of the population (40 million people)
    …blacks are responsible for 90% of ALL MURDERS
    …make laws that restrict murderous blacks from getting and having guns… more economical bang for buck don’t you think… no reason inconveniencing the majority because of a few bad apples (go after the bad apples… black males between the ages of 14-30 as they are actually committing the overwhelming majority of the murders with (and without) guns

    …stop punishing 300 million Americans because of a bunch of murderous black males, you know exactly who the problem is, now do something about it and leave me alone until you do.

    *** feel free to check DOJ and FBI crime statistics.

  • Dr. 9

    You can bet this man won’t get invited to any of the Marxist-in-Chief’s fancy dinner parties. You know, the ones we pay for.

  • A. Levy

    QUOTABLE QUOTES

    “It doesn’t matter which part of this once great nation you call home, sooner or later, the realization will hit you right between the eyes. The timing and strength of that painful reality check depends, in large part, on how closely you follow the news of the day. Depending on your ability to filter out unpleasant elements of objective reality, you might avoid that painful moment of clarity for a long time. Eventually, even if you’re willfully myopic, you’ll feel the blinders fall away and that’s when it will hit you. This isn’t My America…” — Author Unknown

  • Bo-Jangles

    In the event someone might be offended by what dan posted above, remember, a fact cannot be racist.

  • Big YT The Cracka

    Bwahaha @ Alphamail. This Bubba won’t be going anywhere near the glorious people’s republik of shitcago.

  • Alphamail

    Big YT The Cracka says:

    I do hope you realize that is sarcasm wrapped in fiction, spiced with humor.

  • Alphamail

    Things seemed to be cruising along at a fairly decent pace in the year 2000.

    The generator I bought for Y2K still runs like a dream, and the computer that was supposed to crash is the one I’m typing on as we speak.

    Then came 9-1-1 and the Sleeping Giant awakened. America found there was evil in the world and we coalesced to fight the enemy.

    Onward Christian soldiers, we’re off to kill the bad guys.

    Am I having a bad dream or what?

    WTF has happened that a country so powerful, so committed, so vital to the experiment in freedom, could have fallen so far so fast?

    If it wasn’t before, it was certainly 2006 or 2007 when I began to unknowingly cut my political teeth – I surely had a gnashing set after 2008.

    Van Helsing, bless his heart, was chewing up liberals long before that.

    But IMHO it all started when Saul Alinsky wasn’t aborted on a cold hard hospital table.

    Since the late 1950’s, when I was a teenager sitting in the smoky espresso rooms listening to the curious proletariat-bourgeoisie speak, old Saul was full steam ahead.

    He wrote his book Rules for Radicals in the early 70’s, admonishing all those young anti-establishment kids to stop being violent and quietly move their cause into government, schools, and the media.

    From Hillary, who wrote her college thesis on Alinsky, to other politicians, media-types, and teachers, the radicals who did their homework and applied their lessons have graduated and are now in charge.

    While we wonder how things went downhill so fast, and while we try to draw our inspiration and wisdom from the Bible, we only have to understand where our political adversaries got theirs – from Marxist Alinsky.

    And we need only remember he dedicated their instruction manual to Lucifer.

    And so the battle rages…

  • Bob Roberts

    Secret U.S. military flights carried officials, equipment to N. Korea

    Just what did Obama give to North Korea, and why?

    Although the visits had potential implications for Japan, Washington did not inform its security partner at the time and only informally confirmed one of them when the Japanese side pressed, government and other sources in Japan, South Korea and the United States said.

    The U.S. State Department even warned the Foreign Ministry against making further inquiries, saying they would harm bilateral relations, the sources said.

    The Japanese government only learned about the flights after receiving reports from hobbyists monitoring activity at military bases and also analyzing air traffic flight plans.

    When the Japanese side submitted an official inquiry, U.S. officials expressed frustration that the request had been made, citing the subject’s confidential nature. The State Department warned Japan against inquiring further, saying Washington-Tokyo ties could be damaged.

    The inevitable results of socialism:

    Anti-austerity strike to bring Greece to a standstill

    Greek workers walk off the job on Wednesday in a nationwide anti-austerity strike that will disrupt transport, shut public schools and tax offices and leave hospitals working with emergency staff.

    Just how well will obamacare meet your emergency medical needs when hospitals and clinics are closed by strikers, moonbats?

    2013 gasoline prices could hit record highs

    I thought they were in the process of doing that now. Or so initial reports I’d heard were saying.

    Gasoline prices typically rise heading into peak spring and summer driving seasons. But 2013’s runup is earlier and faster than in previous years.

    NJ’s newest casino, Revel, to file for bankruptcy

    Revel, the casino many people had hoped would turn around Atlantic City’s sagging fortunes, said Tuesday that it will file for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection in March, less than a year after it opened.
    The voluntary, prepackaged bankruptcy envisioned for late March will wipe away about two-thirds of its $1.5 billion in debt by converting more than $1 billion of it into equity for lenders.
    Kevin DeSanctis, Revel’s CEO, said the restructuring will give the casino resort more flexibility to operate.
    They learned from the government – just kick the can down the road.

  • Bob Roberts

    Best not upset Obama or any Democrats.

    The U.S. Air Force is developing tiny unmanned drones that will fly in swarms, hover like bees, crawl like spiders and even sneak up on unsuspecting targets and execute them with lethal precision.

    Remember, this is the President who made a big deal about waterboarding, but has no problem ordering the death of American citizens without trial or conviction.

    Postal service can’t afford Saturday deliveries but they CAN afford to launch a new apparel line.

    The United States Postal Service on Tuesday announced plans to launch a new product line of apparel and accessories.

    The USPS product line will be sold under the brand name “Rain Heat & Snow,” a homage to the service’s unofficial motto, “Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stay these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed rounds.”

    TEXT

    Firedoglake blogger Daniel Wright publishes once-classified FBI documents that show extent of agency’s investigation into Aaron Swartz

    Firedoglake is one of those moonbat propaganda sites that doesn’t tolerate facts, truth or logic.

  • http://screwypuppy.blogspot.com Screwy Puppy

    How many agencies are in the Federal Triangle Partnership?

    Hint: It is not three.

  • Sam Adams

    Andre Maunsell says:
    February 19, 2013 at 8:43 pm

    This man is an absolute super hero and rock star of economics. I envy him but will eventually be his equal in education in a few short years.
    ______________

    It isn’t the education that makes the man. It isn’t the degree that makes the man. It is his understanding and how he applies that understanding that matters.

    Thomas Edison’s education didn’t make him a great inventor.
    Albert Einstein’s education didn’t make him a great mathematician.
    Paul Krugman’s education hasn’t made him much of an economist, either.

  • Sam Adams

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/02/19/company-with-ties-to-the-federal-govt-designs-unsettling-targets-for-law-enforcement-community/

    Here we have a company putting out targets of non-traditional foes of law enforcement, so that cops can get over their tendency to hesitate when exposed to an armed pregnant woman or 7 year old kid.

    The available targets include:
    There are seven targets in the series: Pregnant Woman, Older Man 1, Older Man 2, Older Woman, Young Mother, Young Girl, and Little Brother.

    This company has received over 5 million in federal government contracts.

    Here’s the real surprise………none of those targets show people of color….just white folks.

    Now…maybe I don’t really understand what is going on or don’t get around enough, but how many cases of a pregnant white woman shooting at a cop have happened in your city this year? Six year old white kids popping a cap at a cop?

  • http://httpgenelalor.com berlet98

    “SNL” Spoofs Jesus Christ

    In case the reader hasn’t noticed, America is changing. Rapidly.
    Led by Hollywood and the mainstream news and entertainment media, the America we once knew, a nation of humanly-flawed yet fundamentally good, God-fearing people, is being transformed into a nation of blind sheep heading down a slippery slope into a putrescent pit.

    Nowhere are those changes more transparent than in the denigration of religion, particularly–exclusively–the debasement of Christianity.

    NBC’s “Saturday Night Live” is a regular in the Christian-bashing world. One of its vile sketches showed devout Christian Tim Tebow being lectured by Jesus Christ to “take it down a notch,” a bit even Bob Beckel thought was “despicable” and Pat Robertson noted exemplified “an anti-Christian bigotry that is just disgusting.”

    “Saturday Night Live” hit a whole new low even for “SNL” last week when it featured a two minute video clip, ostensibly a satirical take on Quentin Tarantino’s ultra-violent “Django Unchained,” “Inglourious Basterds,” and “Pulp Fiction.” The “trailer” for “Djesus Uncrossed” depicted Jesus Christ as a maniacal, murderous avenger on Easter Sunday and His Apostles as “basterds” wreaking bloody vengeance on the “Ro-mans.”

    The left wing HuffingtonPost.com almost gleefully observed, “The ‘SNL’ parody is sure to offend many Christians, who may be put off by . . . (Read more at http://www.genelalor.com/blog1/?p=30196.)

  • Alphamail

    Unlike so many white supremacists, I take no pride in being white.

    The reason quite frankly is, I didn’t choose to be white – that was God’s decision – I’ll let Him decide on pride.

    I’m very happy being white however, just like anyone should be happy with whatever color they were born.

    In my opinion, liberal affirmative action tells blacks they weren’t born quite good enough.

    I disagree with the liberals…but I digress.

    Being white, I look around and see the marvelous and seemingly overwhelming contributions to humanity by my white race, and it is awe inspiring.

    If I were to be proud, per se, of my white race, it would be because I honestly believe we are the least racist and most tolerant of all the races.

    Our white forebears were very young men – not old white men like the progressive media and black activists vilely announce them.

    Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence and Madison wrote the Constitution – both young men were in their 30’s.

    The sheer intelligence in those two documents by anyone of any race is phenomenal.

    And regardless of their personal circumstance, these two young white men were brilliantly perceptive and morally clear enough to write safeguards for every race into their writings, so anyone of any background could eventually succeed.

    That makes me very proud.

    Now we come to a period in our history where races are unnecessarily being pitted against one another.

    As a white man I am sick that white politicians and black idealists have engendered a culture of black helplessness. I am sad that blacks have fallen for the ruse and whites defend it. And I am sorry the endgame appears to be accelerated racial division and strife.

    While the battle is ideology not race, the racists and the political opportunists nevertheless take the path of least resistance which is pride and hate and we are all drawn in, if not for the defense of morality.

    It is the result of ideology that blacks are now creating most of the crimes, and it is liberal thought that has produced violent black wastelands in our inner cities, and it is corrupt political expediency and insistence on total power that has created black ignorance and false sense of entitlement.

    Obama the Great Divider is winning – he has us pitted against ourselves – that has been his devilish plan from the beginning.

    And nothing short of prayer will save us.

  • Sam Adams

    berlet98 says:
    February 20, 2013 at 12:02 am

    Is SNL still on TV? I hadn’t noticed.
    BTW, everyone thinks that mocking Christianity is “safe” because Christians don’t chop off the heads of those who mock them.

    Well, at least not yet….
    ________________
    Alphamail says:
    February 20, 2013 at 12:08 am

    Liberals are the ultimate racists. They tell black Americans that they aren’t good or smart enough to make it on their own. They always need extra credit points in order to successfully compete.

    The result is that everyone (including blacks) look at blacks and wonder “is this man where he is because of color, or because he possesses the proper qualifications for his job?” How are you going to feel, laying on your back, and a black surgeon comes in, and you wonder…..can I trust this man with my life or my health?

    Bill Clinton was exactly right…..if Obama wasn’t black, he would have never gotten as far as he had with so few qualifications.

    BTW….Hispanics, you are next. You apparently aren’t bright enough to learn English, unlike any other group that has ever immigrated into the US. Does the phone say “press 3 for German? Press 4 for Japanese?”

    The dems are lining you up as the new underclass.

  • Alphamail

    Obama – the wolf in sheep’s clothing – is crying “wolf” again.

    “The end of the world is coming – clocks will stop, vaginas will dry up, and oxygen as we know it, will cease to be paid for.”………..huh?

    “Forget that oxygen thing…our firefighters will die on the way to the fire if the evil republicans insist on keeping their guns and don’t give in and stop holding me to my promises.”

    That liberal logic is the best we will get from the 44th President of the United States.

  • Dick Richard

    Yo Alphamail, you’re racist as hell.

  • Louie

    He’s a realist, not a racist. Big difference. Huge.

  • Doug

    Richard, on the other hand, is a dick.

  • DJ

    Sam Adams says: “Liberals are the ultimate racists. They tell black Americans that they aren’t good or smart enough to make it on their own. They always need extra credit points in order to successfully compete.”

    ——-

    No that’s NOT what liberals tell blacks! Liberals tell blacks the reason why they are unsuccesful is directly tracable to a “white-supremacist system” that has stacked the deck against them (which of course is pure BS). The truth about black failure is clearly spelled out in Charles Murray and Richard Herrnstein’s ‘The Bell Curve’.

    I suppose a person’s perspective on the issue of human achievement all boils down to the old nature vs nurture dichotomy. Liberals tenaciously cling to the nurture theory whilst objective thinkers rely on science thus correctly beleive nature is the main determinant of achievement/outcomes Alas the truth is viciously suppressed and censored WRT blacks’ true nature and intellectual abilities. Anyone who speaks out and tells the truth — or even hints at the truth — can kiss their career goodbye.

    So yes, liberals are racist in the sence they mendaciously and maliciously blame black failure on whites. Liberal-racism is targeted at whites and whites only. Liberal-racism is anti-white right down to its very core.

  • Huh.

    Look at this little thread. Go ahead. Look at it.

    Ask yourself, if you are a secular, educated, normal person… would you remotely associate yourself with the party of people like these???

    You really are racist, Bible-bashing goons. It isn’t hyperbole, it isn’t a plot to make you look bad… you just straight-out do look bad.

    Imagine, for just one moment, what you look like to the rest of us. Then ask yourself if you ever see people reducing themselves to your level on a national scale ever again.

  • KHarn

    “Alphamail says:February 19, 2013 at 8:43 pm”

    You’re a keeper.

  • Sam Adams

    DJ says:
    February 20, 2013 at 7:12 am

    No that’s NOT what liberals tell blacks! Liberals tell blacks the reason why they are unsuccesful is directly tracable to a “white-supremacist system” that has stacked the deck against them (which of course is pure BS).
    ___________

    Of course liberals don’t “tell” blacks that they aren’t smart enough, or that they need extra credit points in order to compete. But actions speek louder than words. Liberal politicians promise that they will make the lives of those who live in the innercities better, even while continuing to make them unlivable hell-holes.

    Now as to the inherent abilities of blacks, Walter Williams is clear evidence that black folks can be intellectually every bit as good as any white person. Problem is that any kid who grows up without a father around is going to suffer educationally, and many blacks haven’t had fathers around since the 1960’s. Culturally, blacks look down on other blacks when they appear too smart, speak correct english, or otherwise “act white.” So I’m not willing to buy the argument that blacks are intellectually inferior to whites (or that asians are intellectually superior to whites).

  • KHarn

    “Huh. says:February 20, 2013 at 8:01 am”

    Answer Mr. Williams’ question, or at least stick to the topic.

    I know it’s hard for you; when I hung out with communists in my mis-spent youth, I learned that they NEVER defend their own beliefs, but always demand that OTHER PEOPLE defend theirs.

  • Sam Adams

    Huh. says:
    February 20, 2013 at 8:01 am

    Look at this little thread. Go ahead. Look at it.

    Ask yourself, if you are a secular, educated, normal person… would you remotely associate yourself with the party of people like these???

    You really are racist, Bible-bashing goons. It isn’t hyperbole, it isn’t a plot to make you look bad… you just straight-out do look bad.

    Imagine, for just one moment, what you look like to the rest of us. Then ask yourself if you ever see people reducing themselves to your level on a national scale ever again.
    _______________

    You seem like a smart guy. So let’s ask a couple of questions. Democrat politicians have been elected in large cities for generations. Can you point to any success stories where those inner-cities have been turned into great places to live? Detroit the kind of place you want to live? DC?

    How about affirmative action? How long do we have to keep that up in order to give blacks an equal chance?

    How about all the aid to poor families, which has resulted in 70+% of black kids being born to single parents? That is the direct result of the war on poverty? Do you think that has turned out well for black kids?

    Maybe you can do some math, too. About 50% of the US population pays no federal income tax. Is that good for society? Or paying people for 99 weeks because they don’t have a job; is that a good policy that will benefit both the nation and those unemployed individuals?

  • dan

    well said, DJ….
    Huh :I don’t bash the Bible when I read the parts about servants and slaves because it isn’t about race so much as circumstance. The God of my universe is of orer,not chaos…reality and accomplishment ,
    not wishful thinking and hopey-changey dreams and empty rhetoric

  • dan

    damn…their was a ‘D’ in order when I wrote it…

  • YT He a Cracka

    Don’t be too hard on Dick. Sarcasm and absurdity is not for everyone.

  • Hmmm

    “The danger to America is not Barack Obama, but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, ‘merely a fool’. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools, such as those who made him their President.”

    Prague newspaper Prager Zeitungon on 04.28.2010

  • Yup

    @Huh

    It might not ever occur to you nobody gives a flying fig what you think? In fact it’s abundantly clear the truth hit a sore spot with you. So much the better, IMO.

  • Czar of Icepicks

    Might the summertime gas prices in late February be a result of the regulatory monster Bath house Barry is constructing? You never hear about this regulatory behemoth, I wish a blogger or commentator would cover it. Hint, hint, nudge.

  • Rainbow Stew and Moonbeam Caviar

    “An able, disinterested, public-spirited press, with trained intelligence to know the right and courage to do it, can preserve that public virtue without which popular government is a sham and a mockery. A cynical, mercenary, demagogic press will produce in time a people as base as itself.” Joseph Pulitzer

  • Sam Adams

    Columbine survivor pens letter to President Obama..
    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/02/20/columbine-survivor-pens-bold-open-letter-to-obama-rejecting-gun-control-whose-side-are-you-on/

    One of my favorite quotes:
    “Why would you prefer criminals to have the ability to out-gun law-abiding citizens?,” he asks the president in the text. “Whose side are you on?”

  • DJ

    Sam Adams says:”Now as to the inherent abilities of blacks, Walter Williams is clear evidence that black folks can be intellectually every bit as good as any white person.”

    ———–

    Of course there are smart blacks around; however on average the IQ of blacks is one SD(15 points) below that of whites. That objective truth is what explains the achievement gap between blacks vs whites. Remember we are talking about averages here, not individual or anecdoctal examples such as Dr. Williams or Dr. Ben Carson etc.

    The ambiguity of Michael Gerson’s quote “The soft bigotry of low expectations” should be disposed of and replaced with DJ’s objectivity: “Realistic expectations based on the true abilities of those being assessed.”

    See here:

    http://www.vdare.com/articles/iq-why-africa-is-africa-and-haiti-haiti

    and here:

    http://library.flawlesslogic.com/jensen.htm

  • Ghost of FA Hayek

    Huh seems a bit concerned.
    It’s actually all the broken liberal promises to blacks that huh wishes to distract the conversation from

    Liberals promised blacks welfare was really a safety net, and a pathway to prosperity.

    Liberals promised blacks the system of public education would not only solve their illiteracy problem, but provide them the tools to earn professional degrees.

    Liberals promised blacks home ownership through forcing banks to lend them money they could not hope to pay back.

    And last but not least, liberals promised blacks if they were to disarm, their streets would be safer.

    So you see, what huh worries about is that blacks may someday wander off the Democrapt plantation and realize how they are paying the highest price for liberalism

  • Tchhht!!!

    Muslim Murders Christians on American Soil

    http://www.wnd.com/2013/02/muslim-accused-of-beheading-2-christians-in-u-s/

    Workplace violence???

  • http://huh? 70Stage1

    Sam Adams: Thanks for the link, but we know Big O will never read it, never acknowledge, and have his underlings instruct the main stream Liberal media to never let this letter see the light of day.

    Huh: A true Conservative will ALWAYS give ANYONE a fair chance…including people “of color”. All we ask is they try their very best in all things, have a moral & ethical compass, have a strong work ethic, have some common sense, learn from their mistakes (after all we’re all human)…as well as learn from their accomplishments. We are a forgiving group, we just get tired of repeated and excused bad choices and behaviors based on ethnicity, “their culture”, and “wrongs” against their long dead ancestors.

    This is still America (for now). You work hard, use your noggin, keep striving for the better, and quit pulling the big Blamethrower out for any poor choices you’ve made, then you can have a great life like no other group of people on the planet…….provided the Government doesn’t get too involved.

    Walter E Williams gets it.

  • Bob Roberts

    From the “Tell us something we hadn’t already figured out for ourselves” department”:

    In a lecture to conservatives at the Las Vegas Country Club, Frank Fahrenkopf, co-chair of the Commission on Presidential Debates, admitted that the selection of CNN’s Candy Crowley to moderate the second presidential debate between President Barack Obama and Governor Mitt Romney in October 2012 had been a “mistake.”

    As you will recall, she did everything she could to help Obama and hurt Romney – her efforts showed how the media was complicit in allowing Obama to steal the election.

  • Sam Adams

    DJ says:
    February 20, 2013 at 9:07 am

    Of course there are smart blacks around; however on average the IQ of blacks is one SD(15 points) below that of whites. That objective truth is what explains the achievement gap between blacks vs whites. Remember we are talking about averages here, not individual or anecdoctal examples such as Dr. Williams or Dr. Ben Carson etc.
    _______________

    So…is the productivity of North Korea so much less than South Korea because the folks in NK have lower IQs than those in the south?

    I don’t believe that races differ on IQ because of inherent ability and intelligence. Correlation does not equal causation. I believe in the axiom that “all men are created equal.” Babies that don’t have their minds engaged in learning when they are young are going to suffer intellectually. That is what happens when more than half of black kids are born to a young mother who doesn’t have a father around to help with all the work associated with keeping house and home together while raising kids. Kids who are single children will receive much more attention, and would be expected to score better on IQ tests.

  • Huh.

    OK, lets talk.

    About 50% of the US population pays no federal income tax. Is that good for society? Or paying people for 99 weeks because they don’t have a job; is that a good policy that will benefit both the nation and those unemployed individuals?

    People who pay no income tax are too poor to pay. If you make minimum wage, you are living on $14,500 per year. Anytime people like me point out that in the immediate postwar era, when the minimum wage guaranteed a standard of living that wasn’t below the poverty line, we saw rising prosperity everywhere… we are ignored. Obama proposes an (incredibly modest) rise in the minimum wage, and is derided. And yet, you then whine that people don’t pay taxes…

    The minimum wage would have to be nearly $17/hour today to have the same purchasing power. Now, if that were the case, those people could pay taxes. As it stands, only the incredibly poor and the insanely rich pay no taxes. People like me pay all of the taxes, more or less.

    I am totally in favor of unemployment reform. All about it. I have friends who got laid off and took a nice 40 week vacation, then got a job the day they decided to go do it. That is not what the system is for, and it sucks when it is exploited. I do however think that as a concept unemployment insurance is important. Poverty as a construct costs us (the taxpayers) a flipping fortune. Healthcare costs more when people wait until it is an emergency – and the we the taxpayers foot the bill anyway. Housing prices are depressed when foreclosures skeletonize neighborhoods. And on and on.

    So, if I were to choose between having the likes of His Mittness pay my tax rate, or asking people who are already below the poverty line to pay and choose between things like food and shelter… that is not a question, in my book.

    So – and here’s the crux of the issue – there is clearly some common ground, some places where people agree. The intransigence of the modern GOP is more to blame than anything else for failure to find a common ground. They do not govern, they simply balk like mules and refuse to think through things, while yelling angrily about things they understand poorly at best.

  • DJ

    Sam Adams writes “I believe in the axiom that “all men are created equal.”

    —–

    The truth is you grossly missunderstand that ‘axiom’.

    It’s eveident you misinterpret that ‘axiom’ exactly the same way as radical-egalitarians misinterpret it. Context is important too.

  • Bob Roberts

    Moonbat entertainment

    And also guess the race/ethnicity of those, apparently including some adults, urging two 10 year old girls to fight.

    Moonbats drive Detroit to the brink.

    After spending weeks looking at the city’s books, the independent review team released a report Tuesday saying Detroit’s deficit could have reached $900 million last fiscal year had it not borrowed enormous amounts of money. The city’s long-term liabilities, including underfunded pensions, are more than $14 billion.

    This is where Obama and the Democrats are taking the entire country.

    Tell us something we didn’t already know:

    Crowley was a mistake

    Her blatant attempts to help Obama in the Debate were a significant factor in allowing Obama to steal the election.

    And you thought our unions were idiots.

    The CEO of a U.S. tire maker has delivered a crushing summary of how some outsiders view France’s work ethic in a letter saying he would have to be stupid to take over a factory whose staff only put in three hours work a day.

    “You can keep the so-called workers.”

    Moonbat, desperate for a nic fix, calls 911

    Apparently she was drunk and felt calling 911 for cigarettes was a funny joke. Authorities were not amused.

    So how’s that expensive effort to clean up after Sandy going?

    Apparently not so well…

    Four months later, a wasteland. Except the Jersey Shore house and a carefully placed photo-op doll.

    This is where Obama and the Democrats are taking the nation.

    Detroit $14 billion down & counting.

    Moonbat entertainment

    Teens and some adults urge two 10 year old girls to fight.

    You will never guess the race/ethnicity of those urging them on.

    Or will you?

  • Bob Roberts

    Huh. says: February 20, 2013 at 8:01 am
    ———————–
    Your comment reminds me of some ‘secular educated’ COMPLETE IDIOTS I encountered over at YOUTUBE.

    You wouldn’t be one of them, would you?

    By the way, rather than “secular educated’, why don’t you be honest and just call it INDOCTRINATED?

  • Sam Adams

    Huh. says:
    February 20, 2013 at 9:42 am

    People who pay no income tax are too poor to pay. If you make minimum wage, you are living on $14,500 per year. Anytime people like me point out that in the immediate postwar era, when the minimum wage guaranteed a standard of living that wasn’t below the poverty line, we saw rising prosperity everywhere… we are ignored. Obama proposes an (incredibly modest) rise in the minimum wage, and is derided. And yet, you then whine that people don’t pay taxes…

    You are confused. A minimum wage doesn’t improve the standard of living. Being productive improves the standard of living. Very few people are paid at the minimum wage level. Those that are aren’t productive enough to earn more.

    A kid sweeping the floors at McDonalds gets paid minimum wage. He gets paid that amount because that is all that sweeping the floors and taking out the garbage is worth. If you raise the minimum wage to $17.00 per hour, a guy isn’t going to be paid $17.00 to sweep the floors; the owner will either let the floors go dirty, or will invest in a machine that will clean the floors for less. Either way, the minimum wage earner is out of a job.

    During the 50s and 60s, you pulled into a gas station, and one kid would check your oil, another would clean your windshield, another would check your tires. They did that because minimum wages were so low or non-existent. A guy working for minimum wage learns to get to work on time, do his job, get along with others. When he can do that, usually he can qualify for his next job that pays better.

    I am totally in favor of unemployment reform. All about it. I have friends who got laid off and took a nice 40 week vacation, then got a job the day they decided to go do it. That is not what the system is for, and it sucks when it is exploited.

    But you vote for politicians who want the opposite. They want more people to be able to survive without working. They want to make it easier to qualify for disability.

    Poverty as a construct costs us (the taxpayers) a flipping fortune. Healthcare costs more when people wait until it is an emergency – and the we the taxpayers foot the bill anyway. Housing prices are depressed when foreclosures skeletonize neighborhoods. And on and on.

    The more the government participates in health care, the more it costs. The more the government participates in housing, the more it costs. The more the government “fights” poverty, the more it costs.

    So, if I were to choose between having the likes of His Mittness pay my tax rate, or asking people who are already below the poverty line to pay and choose between things like food and shelter… that is not a question, in my book.

    Mitt pays a low tax rate because the government picks and chooses on who to reward and who to punish with taxes. The government hates smokers, so it raises taxes on smokers. (And the stated intention of government is to decrease the number of smokers). Today the government hates rich people, and raises taxes on rich people. Thus…the not too subtle message is that the government wants to create fewer rich people.

    Then the government taxes working folks like you and me. The message there is clear…they want fewer people working and more people dependent upon the government. People who are dependent upon the government vote for those who promise the most goodies.

    So – and here’s the crux of the issue – there is clearly some common ground, some places where people agree. The intransigence of the modern GOP is more to blame than anything else for failure to find a common ground. They do not govern, they simply balk like mules and refuse to think through things, while yelling angrily about things they understand poorly at best.

    I agree with you; I blame the republicans. The constitution was written to keep the federal government within certain bounds. The republicans have failed to do that. The federal government, for example, has no business in education. The Department of Education should be abolished. (Each state has its own department of education.) The Department of Energy was founded to decrease our dependence on foreign oil. It has failed in that purpose (plus it is unconstitutional). We should get rid of that.

    Same thing with the EPA, an agency that is doing its best to raise the cost of energy for everyone. (Again, each state has its own “Department of Environmental Quality).

    So yes; I fully blame the GOP.

  • Bob Roberts

    Sam Adams says: February 20, 2013 at 8:28 am
    —————
    A good start. I have a few more questions for him:

    How is it that ensuring armed criminals confronting law abiding citizens who’s Second Amendment right to self defense has been taken from them is a good thing?

    How is it that ANYONE with even rudimentary intelligence can claim a union of either 2 men or of 2 women is in any way “equal” to a union of 1 man and 1 woman?

    How is it that convicted murderers deserve to live and innocent unborn babies deserve to die?

    Explain why requiring everyone to have proper ID to vote is a bad thing while ensuring that people can vote multiple times and that the dead can vote will lead to fair elections.

    How can increasing spending help reduce exploding debt again?

    When all the wealth of those who earned it is stolen and wasted on those who didn’t, who is the government going to steal from next?

    You can work on those and if you do well I’ll give you some more.

  • Sam Adams

    DJ says:
    February 20, 2013 at 9:56 am

    The truth is you grossly missunderstand that ‘axiom’.

    It’s eveident you misinterpret that ‘axiom’ exactly the same way as radical-egalitarians misinterpret it. Context is important too.
    ____________

    OK, let me state my beliefs more clearly. I believe that all men are created by God. I believe that we are all created in his image. I believe that we are all spiritual children of that God. I believe that we all have the potential to become like our Father.

    Some children have been more successful in achieving that goal than others.

    How’s that?

  • Sam Adams

    Bob Roberts says:
    February 20, 2013 at 10:13 am

    Bob…excellent questions, that I would hope get answered.

    How is it that convicted murderers deserve to live and innocent unborn babies deserve to die?

    How can you support a political party that approves of killing the innocent unborn?

    Explain why requiring everyone to have proper ID to vote is a bad thing while ensuring that people can vote multiple times and that the dead can vote will lead to fair elections.

    You have to have photo ID to cash a check or open a bank account. You have to have photo ID to get a job. You have to have photo ID to get on an airplane. How is knowing who is participating in any of those activities any more important than knowing who is voting?

  • gibsmedat

    Mr. Williams owes me and he better cough up at least 20% of his income because I’m entitled.

  • dan

    great food for thought…but for something to boggle the mind:
    http://www.local10.com/thats-life/health/Breast-milk-collection-center-opens/-/1717022/18987286/-/tcku9o/-/index.html
    I’ll have mine shaken,not stirred :)

  • bobhuh

    OK Bob, this is perfect, because you are exactly the type that I am voting against when I settle for Obama.

    On gun control: there is some sane limit to the number and power of weapons we should all be able to agree on. The 2nd amendment says nothing about preventing convicted felons or the criminally insane form having guns, but we all agreed that we should go ahead and take care of that. You further do not think that you should be allowed have a nuke, or mutated weaponized anthrax, or whatever, for ‘personal defense’. We all agree that those are out of bounds. Which means – see if you can follow me here – we all agree there need to be bounds. We can debate those bounds, but we all agree on some limit to the reading of the 2nd amendment. Pretending otherwise makes you look… crazy.

    I am in favor of gay rights. Full stop. If two people want to be married, go for it. Doesn’t affect me, and a stable two-parent family is a good thing. Standing by your hatred of gay rights makes people my age (and younger) think you are… crazy.

    On abortion rights: Roe is the law of the land. A single cluster of cells is not a human. I am (obviously) not religious, and I think your unscientific ‘every sperm is sacred’ nonsense is… nonsense. As do all people in my cohort. If the GOP ever wants to get votes from my generation, you’ve gotta stop that crap.

    Voter fraud is not a real thing at the in-person level. ID laws are designed – very specifically – to disenfranchise people who are poor. Want ID laws? Fine. But we want ID laws for guns. Compromise. Can he do it? (Methinks… not).

    On “increasing spending” – spending on infrastructure and applied research is how you grow an economy. Private companies don’t do the hard stuff, because it is not immediately profitable. the ‘pioneer principle’, if you follow. There would be no Apollo program, no Eisenhower Interstate, none of it, without government deciding it needed to be done. Further, cutting education and benefits for those most in need makes society as a whole less stable and less equitable, and pretending that somehow an all-cuts approach to our economic woes isn’t a terrible idea makes you look… crazy.

    You are the one I am voting against. Your ideas are poorly thought out, and would make American worse for basically everyone.

    You want more?

  • TED

    Everyone seems to be wondering why Muslim
    Terrorists are so quick to commit suicide.
    Lets have a look at the evidence:
    – No Christmas
    – No television
    – No nude women
    – No football
    – No pork chops
    – No hot dogs
    – No burgers
    – No beer
    – No bacon
    – Rags for clothes
    – Towels for hats
    – Constant wailing from some

    idiot in a tower
    – More than one wife
    More than one mother in law
    – You can’t shave
    – Your wife can’t shave
    – You can’t wash off the smell of donkey
    – You cook over burning camel dung
    – Your wife is picked by someone else for you
    – and your wife smells worse than your donkey
    Then they tell you that “when you die, it all gets better”??
    Well no kidding, Sherlock!….
    It’s not like it could get much worse
    THE MUSLIMS ARE NOT HAPPY!

    They’re not happy in Gaza ..
    They’re not happy in Egypt ..
    They’re not happy in Libya ..
    They’re not happy in Morocco ..
    They’re not happy in Iran ..
    They’re not happy in Iraq ..
    They’re not happy in Yemen ..
    They’re not happy in Afghanistan ..
    They’re not happy in Pakistan ..
    They’re not happy in Syria ..
    They’re not happy in Lebanon ..

    SO, WHERE ARE THEY HAPPY?

    They’re happy in Australia .
    They’re happy in Canada .
    They’re happy in England ..
    They’re happy in France ..
    They’re happy in Italy ..
    They’re happy in Germany ..
    They’re happy in Sweden ..
    They’re happy in the USA ..
    They’re happy in Norway ..
    They’re happy in Holland .
    They’re happy in Denmark .

    Basically, they’re happy in every country that is not Muslim
    And unhappy in every country that is!

    AND WHO DO THEY BLAME?

    Not Islam.
    Not their leadership.
    Not themselves.

    THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN!

    AND THEN; They want to change those countries to be like….
    THE COUNTRY THEY CAME FROM WHERE THEY WERE UNHAPPY!

    Excuse me, but I can’t help wondering…
    How dumb can you get?

  • Bob Roberts

    bobhuh says: February 20, 2013 at 10:56 am
    —————
    Oh where to begin.

    SECOND AMENDMENT: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

    I don’t see anything in there about “weaponized anthrax”, which is not an “arm”. Leave it to a lunatic to go straight to hyperbole. As for your “we all agree there need to be bounds” you know that’s not the issue. You use that as a wedge to suggest that we should get rid of “assault weapons”, then you define “assault weapons” as anything that shoots bullets.

    And saying things like “Pretending otherwise makes you look… crazy” proves you’re just up to your usual ad hominem – the only one “pretending” IS YOU. I’m serious, you need to grow up.

    And then you go and start bringing hate into this. And talking about the farce of “gay rights”. Gays have the same rights to marry as anyone. There’s nothing about the rules of marriage that stops any person, male, female, gay or straight from choosing a member of the opposite sex and, assuming they’ll have them and they meet the other rules THAT ARE APPLIED EQUALLY TO ALL, yes, they can get married. Just ask MrBenji44. He claims to be a gay man who has been married for around 30 years. He had the EQUAL RIGHT to get married and he exercised it and now, like you, he’s sniveling about “gay rights” which is a lie because gays always HAD equality, THEY JUST CHOSE SOMETHING DIFFERENT. It’s not equality they want, it’s special “victim” status. They see how well that worked for minorities and they want in to that racket.

    So stop talking about hate – by bringing up hate you reveal who’s full of it – YOU!

    Roe was based on a lie from the start and also on typical liberal “eminations and penumbras”, not anything actually in the Constitution. Jane Roe, real name Norma Norma Leah McCorvey, was tricked into the court case and is vehemently AGAINST abortion. This is what liberals do – they lie, they mislead, they abuse, and then they accuse their opponents OF DOING WHAT THEY DO. Oh, and I suppose you know abortion is actually liberals working to keep minority populations small through infanticide. That’s right, while more abortions are done on white women, if you look at them PER CAPITA many more are abortions are done on blacks, followed by Hispanics. Talk about racist bigots! You and your ilk convince minorities they should murder their children!

    As for YOUR “unscientific ‘every sperm is sacred’ “, YOU SAID THAT, I DID NOT. Where did you get that from? Some Monty Python film? All you prove by bringing that up is how ridiculous liberals and their ideas are. You’re attributing a liberal idea, a liberal concept to me, then pointing out, CORRECTLY, how ridiculous it is! And you’re right, but you’re not ridiculing me, YOU ARE CORRECTLY RIDICULING YOUR OWN ILK. That is what I find so amusing!

    By the way, take any cluster of YOUR CELLS and check their DNA and you will find it human. Take that cluster of cells in the woman, check it’s DNA you will find it is human. Allow it to grow unmolested and it will indeed prove it is human. As is your habit, denying truth is the only way you can make an argument. If that cluster of cells is not human, WHAT SPECIES IS IT THEN?

    And as for ‘choice’ – a woman gets her choice when she engages in the behaviors that get her pregnant – with a narrow exception for cases of rape. When does the new life she CHOOSES to create get a choice?

    Your voter ID claims are REFUTED by current headlines:

    Did Ohio grandmom vote SIX times in presidential election? Obama supporter under new investigation admitting casting ballot twice
    Melowese Richardson, who has worked in polling for 25 years, said she voted twice in November’s election
    Hamilton County Board of Elections is running investigation
    Richardson is one of 19 in the county to undergo scrutiny from board

    You are GREAT at regurgitating moonbat Democrat talking points – but obviously you don’t have a clue. Voter ID laws are designed to ensure that people LIKE YOU do not vote unfairly multiple times.

    Democrats and their union goons have been caught engaging in voter registration fraud and voter fraud. Multiple instances from both 2008 and 2012 indicate we have a severe problem with voter fraud, some of it helping Republicans but most of it helping Democrats, in many states. It is no coincidence that Obama did not win a single state with proper voter ID requirements and only won the election because of lax voter ID laws in key states like California and Ohio.

    Again you can’t stick to the facts, have to attack me personally: “…a terrible idea makes you look… crazy.”

    Well I never said we need to use an “all cuts approach”, BUT YOU DID. I do, however, believe we need to stop the class warfare tactics since you could take every penny from every rich person and it would not dent the deficit significantly. The truth is Obama and the Democrats just raised taxes on the middle and lower classes and blamed Republicans for it. The truth is you cannot go on giving more and more people immunity from taxes and also from the requirement to work for a living without causing a total collapse. If you think the Depression was bad, wait until you see what Obama and the Democrats are sending us hurtling into. I never said the government should cut ALL spending or should not make some major investments, but investing in creating a permanent ‘dependency class’ is only designed to create chaos so that a ‘state of emergency’ can be declared and the Constitution suspended. But then again liberals said we needed a dictator like Chavez then made sure we got one!

    You say “there would be no”, but you’re not quite right about that. Eventually business WOULD do those things and would arguably do them cheaper and better. Now I’m glad we did Apollo and I think the interstate system is great, but claiming that is justification for the bloated spending is ridiculous. And it’s not capital improvement programs that are the problem – IT IS ENTITLEMENTS. Your ilk always tries to spew talking points to avoid actually discussing the real issues.

    And you end your screed with “You are the one I am voting against. Your ideas are poorly thought out, and would make American worse for basically everyone.”

    Another personal attack. Although the fact is those words are better said ABOUT YOU – you are the one who is dooming this country and all it stands for – you are a tool, a sock puppet, someone unable to think for yourself, unable to realize the inevitable consequences of your choices and actions.

    Which one are you? A gay man who’s been married to the woman he loves for 30 years? REALLY? A GAY man married to a WOMAN for 30 years? With kids? Can’t you see what caricatures you liberal lunatics are?

    Do I want more? No, I’ve had quite enough of your nonsense. But if you think you can actually make a valid argument, I’m still waiting to hear it.

    And yes, I do want you to tell me what species that little clump of cells is, since you’ve announced it’s not human. Let’s see if you can come up with an honest, scientific answer: WHAT SPECIES IS THAT CLUMP OF CELLS!

  • Bob Roberts

    And, “huh”, what is with the change of names?

    Huh. says: February 20, 2013 at 8:01 am

    bobhuh says: February 20, 2013 at 10:56 am
    —————-
    Unless TWO of you idiots followed me over here… which of the many sock puppet youtube accounts were you using and why, as there, do you feel the need to represent yourself as more than one person? Is it your belief that “consensus” has some outcome on whether something is true or not? That we get to “vote” on what is truth?

    Typical liberal lunatic moonbat nonsense.

    Note how these lunatic liberals always think we’re a bunch of 80 or 90 year olds or whatnot? Just how old do you think I am, and how old are you claiming to be?

  • Bob Roberts

    Hmmm must have included some word in my last that triggered the filters. Comment awaiting moderation. In any case, just want to know why huh changed his name to bobhuh, unless he’s doing the same thing as over at YOUTUBE, using multiple names to try and suggest that consensus somehow influences what is true.

  • Bob Roberts

    Yes, I want more. Address the comment in the graphic at the top of this thread. How is it you liberals think that what I’ve earned is fair game to steal and how much of what I earn do you think you and your ilk have a right to steal from me. And one more question – can I steal that much of what you earned from you? Or are you on welfare, food stamps, section 8 housing, etc?

  • Bob Roberts

    Oh, I came back because I wanted to mention – remember that huge pork stuffed Obama/Democrat congress stimulus bill that was passed when Democrats controlled both houses of Congress? Of course a lot of the money went to pay off Obama and Democrat backers – the list of “green energy” companies run by Obama and Democrat backers who got large sums then promptly went out of business is notable. A lot of the money went to other countries. Remember we can’t produce our own fossil fuels, but Obama sent a bunch of cash down to Brazil and to his buddy Soros who has interests there. He also is preventing construction of a pipeline that will take business away from another of his “the 1%” pals, the Wizard of Omaha, Warren Buffett, who’s rail lines will take large hits from lost business if the Keystone pipeline is built. We’re sending dangerous advanced arms to THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD, who despise us and want us & our allies dead. We’re financing other dangerous Muslims in several countries, all of whom have declared “holy war” against us and our allies.

    Why?

  • Bob Roberts

    Interrupted… wanted to ask exactly how many jobs that pork-stuffed bill CREATED and at what cost per job. And as for “jobs saved”, forget about it. Maybe for a few months, but no longer. How much federal debt is acceptable? How much deficit is acceptable. Please provide figures, not just nonsense. How many trillions of debt should the U.S. agree is appropriate? How about ZERO! How about we aim to have ZERO DEBT and NO DEFICITS – would you support a Constitutional Amendment demanding the government balance every budget every year and reduce government debt to under say 1 billion within 10 years? No more stealing from social security and other “entitlement programs” funded by taxes, which are quickly looted to pay for pork?

  • Bob Roberts

    DID YOU KNOW?

    1/10 of all the active volcanoes in the world are in Japan.

  • Sam Adams

    bobhuh says:
    February 20, 2013 at 10:56 am

    On gun control: there is some sane limit to the number and power of weapons we should all be able to agree on. The 2nd amendment says nothing about preventing convicted felons or the criminally insane form having guns, but we all agreed that we should go ahead and take care of that. You further do not think that you should be allowed have a nuke, or mutated weaponized anthrax, or whatever, for ‘personal defense’.

    Bob has given you some good answers. Anthrax and mustard gas have no practical military or self defense purpose. Outlawing them have nothing to do with the second amendment. Same thing with nukes.

    Some folks think that they should put limits on what I choose to use for my own defense. I’m not buying that. A rifle that you consider just right for personal defense may not meet my needs to protect myself from a polar bear, but, of course, federal laws are a one size fits all approach.

    If I’m a white guy confronted by a flash mob or a group of gangbangers, who are you to say that I should be more poorly armed than those folks?

    Plus the second amendment is only partially about personal defense. It is mainly aimed at stopping government tyrrany. If the government is better armed than I am, that is a clear indication that they have already gone way over the line in infringing my second amendment rights.

    On abortion rights: Roe is the law of the land. A single cluster of cells is not a human.

    Slavery was once the law of the land, as was discrimination.

    When does that cluster of cells become human. When does it deserve to have its life protected?

    When a heart beat develops?
    When there is an operating nervous system?
    (Those are some of the criterial we use in deciding who is and isn’t alive). When does that cluster of cells become a human being?

  • Bob Roberts

    Good questions/answers/points Sam. He may be back (assuming it is a “he”) or may just slink away, knowing we’ve once again asked questions which will require honest answers, no talking points or hyperbole.

  • Bob Roberts

    I personally would not think I need an F-16 or an M1A1 tank to defend myself, but given the Obama administration sees fit to give these things to a proven terrorist outfit, perhaps I should consider rethinking that argument.

  • DJ

    Sam Adams says:

    February 20, 2013 at 10:16 am

    DJ says:
    February 20, 2013 at 9:56 am

    The truth is you grossly missunderstand that ‘axiom’.

    It’s evident you misinterpret that ‘axiom’ exactly the same way as radical-egalitarians misinterpret it. Context is important too.
    ____________

    OK, let me state my beliefs more clearly. I believe that all men are created by God. I believe that we are all created in his image. I believe that we are all spiritual children of that God. I believe that we all have the potential to become like our Father.

    Some children have been more successful in achieving that goal than others.

    How’s that?

    ——

    That’s a little bit better except you’re changing the subject. Moreover, it still dosen’t negate the fact that you, by your own words, defined yourself as a typical radical-egalitarian/liberal — or a least you’ve been greatly affected by the PC propaganda WRT race and are unaware you’ve been brainwashed. But don’t worry, you’re certainly not alone, most soi disant”conservatives” willingly drink the PC kool aid too.

    More to the point: denying there is a significant difference in IQ between whites and blacks… and that that difference provides the explanation for the achievement gap is what modern-liberals do. Acknowledging the truth is not immoral; denying the truth is immoral. It’s immoral to lie about the reason for the achievement gap and assign blame where it dosen’t belong.

    Modern-liberals purposely deny reality; they invert the truth as a means to thier ends. Liberalism, modern/radical-liberalism, is built on lies thus it’s the very antithesis of traditional Christianity. I say that assuming you identify as a Christian. Are you a Christian?

  • Bob Roberts

    Sam Adams says: February 20, 2013 at 12:49 am
    ————
    But Obama isn’t black. He’s half white. Mulatto. As usual, moonbats are lying, again. They did not elect “the first black president” – they apparently couldn’t find a black man good enough to run in their whole party or constituency. They had to find a guy WHO IS HALF WHITE in order to get him elected.

    Says a lot about what THEY think of the black race, eh?

    Oh, and “Dick Richards”, I am relatively certain, is just another sock puppet of that person (or persons) who followed me here from YOUTUBE. Note not original enough to come up with a name that’s NOT a parody of my alias here.

  • Bob Roberts

    Huh. says: February 20, 2013 at 9:42 am
    ———–

    People who pay no income tax are too poor to pay.

    Bullshit.

    If you bothered to see what they buy, which often includes drugs, booze, cigarettes, if you bothered to walk along with them, for even a day, you might learn something.

    The problem with exempting people from taxes is you create a situation ripe for the sort of class warfare that divides people FOREVER – but Democrats are good at that! As soon as you exempt a large enough percentage of the population from bearing their share of the burden, you are on a path to destruction and, thanks to the Democrats (and with some help from Republicans too, but Democrats are primarily to blame) we are well down that road approaching a point of no return.

    Obama proposes an (incredibly modest) rise in the minimum wage, and is derided.

    If he wasn’t also whining about the jobs higher minimum wages and higher golden union contracts are forcing to leave the U.S. we might be able to discuss this rationally. However, I’m sure you’re just as upset as Obama about corporations who are forced, by unions and spiraling minimum wages, to seek labor elsewhere to stay competitive. Plus you forgot about how overspending by the government is making inflation inevitable, which is what is driving wages up in the first place. But don’t talk about spending responsibly, no, that’s off limits as you already established!

    The minimum wage would have to be nearly $17/hour today to have the same purchasing power.

    Only because of irresponsible government policies driving up the cost of living. Plus where are all the people who are not making it again? People find a way. Perhaps a low minimum wage serves as a necessary incentive for people to better themselves. Are you suggesting we should make it easy for people to remain in low wage jobs for life? Really? That’s your position?

    As far as I’m concerned, minimum wage jobs are for people who are planning to move on to something better as soon as possible. You may not agree, fine, so state. I would not want to encourage someone to stay in a minimum wage job – as a wage slave – therefore I would argue we don’t need to make minimum wage jobs too comfortable.

    LIBERAL LIE TALKING POINT ALERT:

    “… the insanely rich pay no tax”

    Bullshit.

    IRS statistics prove, year after year, the rich pay well above any reasonable share of taxes already, and have for your entire life.

    So far the one thing you seem to have a slight hint of a clue on is unemployment insurance. None of us is suggesting we do away with it. But this permanent dole situation is setting up another bubble, probably by design. Obama hoped the “occu-tards” would reach critical mass before the last major election – they let him down. By the way, curious – were you a part of that in any way? Any way at all?

    You mentioned foreclosures in passing – do you really think ANY bank or lender really intended for a customer to default so they could foreclose? Do you really think anyone found a way to profit from ensuring people foreclose? That they ever had mass foreclosures as a goal or strategy?

    When it comes to buying a house, you need to know what you’re getting into. If you’re not smart enough, you really have no business buying a house. Despite claims by the lunatic left to the contrary, home ownership is not a human right.

    And there you go calling Romney names – how old did you say you were? Because you’re acting about 7 or 8, if that.

    Another liberal lie – if we just steal more from ‘the rich’ everything will be alright, we don’t have to worry about spending more than we are taking in, we can just hold a gun to the heads of the rich to pay for it later.

    Tax the rich
    Feed the poor
    Til there are no
    Rich no more

    What then?

    You lunatic liberal moonbats remind me of animals. A big difference between humans and most animals is we have the capability to think about the future consequences of our present thoughts and actions. You moonbats more often than not display a significant lack of that capability.

    As for having to choose between food and shelter, well you know maybe you are living beyond your means. Maybe you need to stop buying booze, stop doing drugs, stop smoking. Maybe instead of buying expensive prepared foods you need to buy more basic foostuffs, which still are amazingly cheap. Maybe you need to find a cheaper place to stay and stop running the AC all day. Maybe you need to invest in some warmer clothes and blankets and stop running the heater at 85 during the winter and hey, you left that window open, you’re heating/air conditioning the world, why?

    You blame “the intransigence of the GOP” but you forget that one common complaint heard routinely here is the GOP capitulates to intransigent Democrats, who use as a primary negotiation tactic starting a bill in Congress that even their own members would never vote for then forcing the GOP to consider a bill that THEIR members cannot vote for without totally abandoning what is vital for this country’s long term viability.

    Yeah, that “intransigence of the GOP” is a nice talking point, but who was it who locked the GOP out of the room when obamacare was being written? And who was it that said “We will have to pass it to find out what’s in it”? You standing by that sort of logic? REALLY?

    Your comments here – and I have to ask why you keep using different names – prove that there is one person here who understands things poorly at best – and even that is being generous – TO YOU!

    The one single thing you hinted you might be sort of right about was unemployment insurance. On pretty much everything else you show a complete lack of understanding and a childlike ability to repeat what you’ve been taught to spew on command, no ability to think critically or understand the consequences of the policies you espouse.

    You don’t get it – even though this is, to me, ancient knowledge:

    Once the people realize they can vote themselves more and more entitlements, the government is on an accelerating and probably irreversible slide to ruin.

    It may well be true we’ve reached and passed that point, from all indications. I just hope those who came up with this are wrong about the “irreversible” part.

  • Bob Roberts

    Damn, another moderated comment. I guess I should have tried BS instead of the longer form perhaps?

  • Bob Roberts

    DJ says: February 20, 2013 at 1:17 pm
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    Liberals vehemently deny the findings published in “The Bell Curve” despite daily examples proving them.

    And from what various people have said, usually when they’re drunk, about areas American-Africans are clearly SUPERIOR to whites, and the reactions of liberals upon hearing them, they also are intolerant of anyone being honest about how blacks are SUPERIOR in some ways.

    We aren’t truly born “equal”, everyone knows that. The document says that in the sense that the law has to see us/treat us as equal. That makes sense and I support it.

    Anyone who has a child born with Downs Syndrome will tell you we most definitely are NOT all created equal.

    However, liberals are determined to make us NOT equal. They did it with blacks. They’re doing it with Hispanics. They’re doing it with LGBTQ persons. By creating these special needs constituencies, as we here know, they create and consolidate power bases for themselves, which is the end goal – not helping ANYONE, but actually playing us all against each other for their own personal and professional gain.

  • Bob Roberts

    Maybe my comment was just too long – I’ll try breaking it up and taking out the “BS” long forms:

    PART I:

    Huh. says: February 20, 2013 at 9:42 am
    ———–

    People who pay no income tax are too poor to pay.

    BS!

    If you bothered to see what they buy, which often includes drugs, booze, cigarettes, if you bothered to walk along with them, for even a day, you might learn something.

    The problem with exempting people from taxes is you create a situation ripe for the sort of class warfare that divides people FOREVER – but Democrats are good at that! As soon as you exempt a large enough percentage of the population from bearing their share of the burden, you are on a path to destruction and, thanks to the Democrats (and with some help from Republicans too, but Democrats are primarily to blame) we are well down that road approaching a point of no return.

    Obama proposes an (incredibly modest) rise in the minimum wage, and is derided.

    If he wasn’t also whining about the jobs higher minimum wages and higher golden union contracts are forcing to leave the U.S. we might be able to discuss this rationally. However, I’m sure you’re just as upset as Obama about corporations who are forced, by unions and spiraling minimum wages, to seek labor elsewhere to stay competitive. Plus you forgot about how overspending by the government is making inflation inevitable, which is what is driving wages up in the first place. But don’t talk about spending responsibly, no, that’s off limits as you already established!

    The minimum wage would have to be nearly $17/hour today to have the same purchasing power.

    Only because of irresponsible government policies driving up the cost of living. Plus where are all the people who are not making it again? People find a way. Perhaps a low minimum wage serves as a necessary incentive for people to better themselves. Are you suggesting we should make it easy for people to remain in low wage jobs for life? Really? That’s your position?

    As far as I’m concerned, minimum wage jobs are for people who are planning to move on to something better as soon as possible. You may not agree, fine, so state. I would not want to encourage someone to stay in a minimum wage job – as a wage slave – therefore I would argue we don’t need to make minimum wage jobs too comfortable.

  • Bob Roberts

    Alright, never mind. Maybe Mr. Blount will approve my first comment, maybe not. I’ll deal with it later, got things to do right now.

  • Bob Roberts

    BUT FIRST, one more parting comment:

    Kerry’s first FOREIGN POLICY speech is about CLIMATE CHANGE?

    Secretary of State John Kerry gave his first major foreign policy speech today. In his address, delivered at the University of Virginia, he discussed tackling climate change.

    “We as a nation must have the foresight and courage to make the investments necessary to safeguard the most sacred trust we keep for our children and grandchildren: an environment not ravaged by rising seas, deadly superstorms, devastating droughts, and the other hallmarks of a dramatically changing climate,” said Kerry.

    Got news for you. The seas aren’t rising drastically. Deadly superstorms are no more common, in fact they’ve been LESS common for some time, than before. Droughts are no worse than they have been – it’s just that with more people depending on more or less the same water, you notice it more.

    The climate is not changing “dramatically”.

    It has changed faster, and more significantly, before humans had any influence, before humans even existed! And another clue is that things get BETTER, not worse, when the world warms up. Global warming REDUCED the gradients that produce worse weather. The fact storms are in that part of the cycle where they get NORMALLY AND NATURALLY worse is because the brief warming and good weather that came with it IS COMING TO A TEMPORARY END. Hopefully anyway – hopefully the cycle will repeat. Look at history, geologically. The warm times are the good times, not the bad times. Misery and death come with the cool times. It’s a fact – you can look it up!

  • http://moonbattery.com/ Dave Blount

    Sorry Bob! Had to turn moderation on for awhile to ward off a troll attack.

  • Sam Adams

    DJ says:
    February 20, 2013 at 1:17 pm

    Thanks for those kind words. It has been several days since I was last accused of being brainwashed. I didn’t know that I was a radical-egalitarian/liberal either. That is refreshing to know.

    My circle of friends include two blacks. One is pretty smart; he drives his own truck and has done pretty well for himself. He isn’t an Obama supporter. The other guy doesn’t seem the brightest bulb on the tree; it wouldn’t surprise me if he owes his job to his skin pigmentation.

    If you want to state that blacks, on average, have higher IQs than white folks, I would accept that. The fundamental question is why is that so?

  • DJ

    Bob Roberts says:

    February 20, 2013 at 2:05 pm

    DJ says: February 20, 2013 at 1:17 pm
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    Liberals vehemently deny the findings published in “The Bell Curve” despite daily examples proving them.

    And from what various people have said, usually when they’re drunk, about areas American-Africans are clearly SUPERIOR to whites, and the reactions of liberals upon hearing them, they also are intolerant of anyone being honest about how blacks are SUPERIOR in some ways.

    ———————–

    Agree. If the libs admit blacks are superior in areas such as boxing, running, and jumping, then they open the door to other legitimate comparisons/differences such as creativity, innovation and IQ. That’s what they’re really afraid of so they deem it verboten. The Jimmy the Greek fiasco was very instrutive in that regard.

    The only acceptable explanations as to why there is an achievement gap is if those explanations can somehow someway, be they ever so convoluted, point to whites as being culpable. Some “conservatives” play right into the liberal race-baiters hands when they blame black failure on white social engineers. White social engineers may be naive, but their intentions aren’t at all racist. The results may appear racist but the crime is in the intent. That said, I don’t want to conflate naive white social engineers with the vicious malicious anti-white race-baiters — which of course come in all colors and racial categories. A

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    Sam says:”If you want to state that blacks, on average, have higher IQs than white folks, I would accept that. The fundamental question is why is that so?”

    Now you’re just being silly.

  • Bob Roberts

    Not a problem. I say way too much anyway, or so I’m told!

    I may in fact be responsible for the trolls. One of them started “stalking” me after I made a few comments he (or she, you never know) didn’t like elsewhere on YOUTUBE and now I’m pretty sure one or more of them are here. Should spice up the debate – sorry for making your job harder though!

    I’m curious about this:

    Sam Adams says: February 20, 2013 at 2:26 pm

    If you want to state that blacks, on average, have higher IQs than white folks, I would accept that.
    ——————-
    This in response to DJ mentioning an IQ disparity, not saying, but implying, that WHITES tend to outscore BLACKS, a theory that is somewhat supported by actual IQ testing, though naturally liberals deny it vociferously and claim, falsely (as usual) to have refuted any such evidence.

    The simple fact is, AS A GROUP, the bell curve of white IQs has it’s center slightly above the bell curve of black IQs. That does not mean all whites are smarter than all blacks – there is significant overlap. That also does not rule out the smartest black alive (at some points in time) being smarter than the smartest white.

    And as far as calling me some sort of racist bigot, white supremacist or other such nonsense, keep in mind the same research indicates both Jews and Orientals similarly outscore whites in exactly the same way, with the same disclaimers. So I’m not saying whites are the best. As a matter of fact, they apparently aren’t. This isn’t about me trying to put anyone down or say my race is best, it’s about me simply providing facts, at least as I understand them, also understanding I’m open to any valid conflicting evidence.

  • Sam Adams

    DJ says:
    Sam says:”If you want to state that blacks, on average, have higher IQs than white folks, I would accept that. The fundamental question is why is that so?”

    Now you’re just being silly.
    _______

    Or I simply got it the wrong way around. Serves me right for trying to maintain a thought when I’m distracted by other events.

    My bad.

    But it goes back to what I stated earlier. I think kids that get more parental attention and interaction when young score better on IQ tests. If blacks want to score better on IQ tests, I would suggest that they need to fix black families.

  • Alphamail

    Dick Richard says @ 2:29 am:

    Thanks. Been called a lot of things, but in 70 years I’ve never been called a racist.

    Sam Adams @ 10:16 am pretty much covers my viewpoint.

    At the same time I’m stark realist.

    I went to grade school and high school with a black friend who was bright, articulate, friendly, who dressed impeccably, and who eventually worked his way up to becoming a national sports announcer. I grew up beside a person who was normal in every sense, who was black, and who worked hard to succeed. He deserved his success and I’m happy for him.

    After that I went into the Army in 1961 in Georgia. Nearly half the restrooms in Columbus were labeled “colored only” and blacks – even members of the military – were not allowed in most restaurants, but instead had to order food from outside the back door. That was not the America I knew in my first eighteen years, nor the America I wanted to live in.

    I had to sit in the balcony in a downtown Columbus theater one night, because Ray Charles refused to perform if blacks weren’t allowed to sit in the main floor area, generally reserved for whites. The theater operators still refused to allow blacks and whites to sit together, but to avoid a riot and make their money, they instead reversed the regular seating arrangements, having whites sit in the balcony. I agreed with that.

    I later spent time working as a videographer for a major American railroad where I had an employee travel pass, which allowed me a private bedroom in sleeping cars during many long overnight or weekly trips.

    It was during this time I spent many a late night standing between the speeding railway cars, perched at the open Dutch doors with the wind in my face, while conversing as best we could, with black porters and black dining car workers.

    From the civil war on, most often the best and brightest blacks were chosen to be porters, with Thurgood Marshall being one. To construe that blacks are not normal, or have legitimate passions, or are not articulate and caring, or are not children of God is patently from the devil.

    While we can discuss the working conditions and many of the prejudices they withstood, suffice to say, the Pullman’s Union of black men and women became the core of what was to become the black middle class.

    Or what it was supposed to become…

    The dynamics of what has failed are too complex to be addressed by someone with my lack of historical erudition, but at least from my perspective – what I have lived, which is limited – I see it as fairly simple.

    Without attempting to explain the beginnings now, and certainly without invoking guilt, there was a mass exodus from the south after the civil war by an enormous group of uneducated poor blacks seeking to escape harsh conditions and searching for new opportunity.

    In the early 20th century they went north and west with little or no money or skills and went to the only convenient survivable places – the cities.

    Without jobs, without skills, without education, and sadly, without any important distinguishable leadership, they were predestined – as a group – to failure.

    The one hope for a foothold to the American dream was mid-century in the late 50’s and 60’s, but without powerful leadership the darker nihilistic forces (rejection of white laws and institutions) of the Black Panthers, the anti-Christian (social-justice) Black Liberation Theology, and the specious enabling enactments by Lyndon Johnson and now vote-making liberals, cut black forward progress off at the knees.

    I’m a worker-bee. If I don’t work I can’t stand it. Whether a cause or an effect (maybe neither), I believe the lack of skills and work, the availability of drugs and alcohol, and the waning influence of the traditional black Christian church, have resulted in an epidemic of fatherless black families, which has nailed the coffin shut for black youth. The gangs we see now are the result of so many factors, it’s hard to blame it all on race.

    I was an LAPD officer working Watts when Johnson was elected, and I was able to see the apex (if you can call it that) of the black effort. Not to be naïve, my view of the apex included the ghettos and what I’ve listed.

    Today, black society is in shambles. People like myself, who had hoped for the best outcome for blacks but who weren’t willing to enable them to the point they revert to breast feeders, take a rap for being nigger lovers and racists. Voting against liberal policies still doesn’t preclude us from being called white-guilters even by some of the black haters on this site.

    I’ve lived through a lot of the sh*t some of these posters have only read about (the Civil War was just over two of my lifetimes ago) and I see things a bit differently – that’s not to say I’m absolutely right.

    But having worked in law enforcement in the ghettos and to have seen the great black hope for normalcy become a pathetic cry for more handouts – and again with so few black leaders with noble intentions – no one should think I don’t see this issue in the most realistic of terms.

    One specific point in particular: I don’t believe white people are the cause of black ruin, just like I don’t believe anyone else’s actions have curtailed my ambition. And the success of any black person tacitly supports that thought. On the contrary, I believe whites have gone overboard in the opposite direction often to the detriment of blacks, i.e., affirmative action.

    Rampant black crime is abhorrent; inordinate black on white crime indicts our entire legal system and is caused and perpetuated by the likes of Eric Holder and his close associates, e.g. Van Jones; President Obama is the ultimate black violence power broker – essentially protecting blacks, vicariously condemning whites, taking from whites and giving to blacks, and dividing the races at every public forum and during every teleprompted speech.

    His specific immigration policies to enable mid-eastern Arabs (Muslims), and his immigration amnesty to legalize illegal Hispanics, is a selfish divisive dangerous political tactic and an insult to the very essence of our American way, not to mention the snub to legal immigrants.

    As fair as I want to be, there is no way to deny the incalculable and seditious harm and prejudice it is laying on the backs of white people.

    I didn’t like it in 1961 when I saw that blacks were facing overt oppression. I joined the military and the police department, in part to battle that kind of unfairness, and I would have died fighting whites to stop it.

    Now the tables are reversed and I see a growing effort to oppress and violate the freedom of not only whites, but of Christians. With me it’s not so much a black v. white issue as a good v. evil issue.

    If I have to now fight blacks – or the government – to insure the quality of life and freedom for whites (or in the long run, any race), then I’m already registered for the draft and won’t mind a firing position on the front lines. Or I could use my piloting skills to drop a super magnetic bomb cluster over the inner-city to “degauss” all the EBT cards. sarc/just in case

    As far as my sarcastic first column involving “White Flash Mobs,” it was done to point out the media silence regarding the trend in violent black flash mobs – and the absence of white flash mobs (except public displays of humor), the blame-game hypocrisy and ineptitude of the head of the Chicago Police, and the stupidity of the gun-control lobby who at this point are grasping at straws, and would probably make power tools illegal simply because they have triggers.

    If that makes me racist, fine.

  • Bob Roberts

    Understand, all, that I am not saying we should think about not allowing blacks (or for that matter, whites, since Asians and Jews score a bit higher) into jobs that require more brain power. Because the differences are not necessarily that great such that you could point to a person, because of their race/ethnicity, and say they’re not qualified. As I pointed out, we’re talking about ranges here, bell curves, and they overlap. Many blacks can and do have all the qualifications for top jobs and there are plenty of stupid, unqualified whites. The point is this issue makes it clear that some people, in the name of political correctness, appearances, are willing to deny and resist facts. That’s my only point. I’m not suggesting we start classifying job qualification by race/ethnicity. That would be a huge step backwards.

  • Bob Roberts

    Sam Adams says: February 20, 2013 at 4:51 pm
    ——————-
    I don’t know that anyone has proven the differences are genetic – they could be cultural, in fact I would expect that to a great extent they are just that. I didn’t read The Bell Curve cover to cover though I have talked to some of the nation’s top people in the field about it. I concur with your statement that a good place to start on this is:

    I think kids that get more parental attention and interaction when young score better on IQ tests. If blacks want to score better on IQ tests, I would suggest that they need to fix black families.

    I also agree that as long as blacks as a group (NOT individuals, mind you, but on average) tend more often to be involved in crimes, drugs, violence, etc., often blaming “the system” or “whitey”, things aren’t going to get any better.

    My concern is you look at the alleged birthplace of humans, the place on Earth where people have had the longest to do something with themselves and the world and what do you find?

  • DJ

    I think blacks’ progress got short circuited at the dawn of the 20th century. That’s when a group of black and white intelligentsia organised the NAACP and subsequently chose the antagonistic tactic of W.E.B. Du Bois rather than the hard work ethos of Booker T. Washington. One has to wonder if blacks chose the path of Booker T. how much further they would have advanced? The course the NAACP took give this illusion of progress but it not real, is it. My personal opinion is blacks would have made real progress if they followed the example Booker T. Washington. One thing for sure is blacks would have gained respect. Once they gain respect all doors will be open to them. Part of the genius of a capitalist system is competition trumps racial prejudice.

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    More on W.E.B. Du Bois. If you’re interested click on the link then click on the article titled “The Man Who Invented White Guilt”

    http://www.amren.com/ar/2006/07/index.html

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  • DJ

    Bob Roberts asks: “My concern is you look at the alleged birthplace of humans, the place on Earth where people have had the longest to do something with themselves and the world and what do you find?

    —————————————-

    Bob, here’s a good explaination:

    Ice People and Sun People
    By Ian Jobling

    “Black studies professor Leonard Jeffries once declared that whites were “ice people” and blacks were “sun people.” Prof. Jeffries is not a man whose opinions I normally endorse: he is notorious for his hateful rants against the white race. His hatred goes so far that he has even exhorted blacks not to consume foods that are white in color! But his names for the two races are quite apt: it is true that whites evolved in a colder climate than blacks, and this is the reason for the differences between the two races. As for what those differences are, here again I disagree with Prof. Jeffries. Whereas he thinks that whites’ Ice Age past made them violent and cruel, the truth is that it molded whites into people capable of creating civilizations that are the summit of human accomplishment.”

    Read more>>

    http://web.archive.org/web/20110823193546/http://whiteamerica.us/index.php/articles/articles/ice_people_and_sun_people

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