Is Liberty Outdated?
The establishment media would have you believe that bitter clingers to the Constitution are tired old dinosaurs who won’t admit that the world has moved on without them. Brandon Smith isn’t buying it:
This argument is based on a series of lies, the first one being that American culture needs to “progress with the times” and shake off the dead skin of old and “unpopular” principles. Let’s set the record straight…
Some principles, like the liberties embodied in natural law and outlined in the U.S. Constitution, NEVER become outdated. They exist in the heart of mankind, and will remain as long as humanity remains. They cannot be erased, and they cannot be undone. They are inherent and eternal.
They can, however, be oppressed by those who seek to dominate the lives of others. This is what the establishment today calls “progress”. Their version of social order is not new, nor is it even clever. It is archaic, and has taken many forms, including oligarchy, aristocracy, mercantilism, monarchy, totalitarianism, despotism, fascism, socialism, communism, globalism, etc., etc. The goal is always the same; centralize as much power as possible into as few hands as possible while making the enslaved population as collectivized and dependent as possible.
The Liberty Movement is not some dying vestige of America’s past clinging to an antiquated philosophy. We are the new wave; the messengers of an ideal of freedom that in the grand scheme of history has been around for only a blink of an eye. Constitutional liberty IS the progress that humanity has been waiting for. We have only been led astray by those who would sell us on our own bondage.
Reading the whole piece may make you a prepper; it will certainly clarify why the governmedia is so keen on disarming us even as the DHS builds up massive stockpiles of ammunition. Catch it at either Alt-Market or Zero Hedge.
On a tip from Ghost of FA Hayek.
Hahahaha cute. That guy in insane.
What do you see as the ideal implementation of that fictional little utopia you imagine? Every man for himself, no government, no social programs of any sort… as we slowly devolve back into wild animals?
We The People do not agree with you. Your oddly hopeful pining for some ‘revolution’ makes you seem crazy. We like social security, we like medicare, we like the idea that people should not starve in the streets in history’s wealthiest country. We quite rightly point out that the math works fine if we just make the very wealthiest people pay the rate the rest of us pay. Nothing more.
You disagree, and want some Randian society where everyone is basically on their own at all times. Fine. We disagree.
Then comes the interesting bit – that equates, in your minds, with some imagined moment when the government will be forced to shoot you down like dogs as you take up arms to defend your ‘freedom’ from the rest of us. Or something. Yeah… seems reasonable to me.
…And Black Helicopers! Drones! Geroge Soros! The Bilderburg Group! The UN!
Tell you what. I’ll make sure I keep dropping by this nest-o-crazy. I’ll remind you over time of how stupid you look at this moment, predicting the end of the world with the same apparent belief that greeted “Mitt will win in a landslide” or “Friends of Hamas” or any of the rest of the dumb shit you people believe.
Notice how often you seem to be… wrong?
“as always”…..just another lackey of George Soros and his fellow Utopian elites.
Notice how often your plans always end up with dead people number in the……hundreds of millions?
What difference does it make?
Wow the delusional troll really pounced fast on this one. I’d say a nerve or two got struck lol! Your nonsense doesn’t fly well here, in fact I’d agree and say more people are catching on to your bullshit and you’re nervous and frightened? You should be.
Dear Mr Soros, taking a look at today’s markets, would you please pay me in Nigerian naira? “As always,” forever, your servant.
as always…thanks for proving the author’s point.
as always says:
March 20, 2013 at 10:42 am
Hahahaha cute. That guy in insane.
What do you see as the ideal implementation of that fictional little utopia you imagine? Every man for himself, no government, no social programs of any sort… as we slowly devolve back into wild animals?
We The People do not agree with you. Your oddly hopeful pining for some ‘revolution’ makes you seem crazy. We like social security, we like medicare, we like the idea that people should not starve in the streets in history’s wealthiest country. We quite rightly point out that the math works fine if we just make the very wealthiest people pay the rate the rest of us pay. Nothing more.
Dear Moron:
Let me make a couple of points:
1. The progressive income tax where everyone pays a different rate than everyone else is your baby. Own it. If the rich pay more or less, that is because your representatives have decided over time to pick winners and losers.
Sometimes they want to favor investment. Therefore investors pay a lower rate. Sometimes they want to favor home owners. Therefore homeowners pay a lower rate. Sometimes they want to favor married couples over single couples. Therefore married couples pay a lower rate.
That is the utopia that the democrats have been promoting for the past 90 years (like when income tax was first proposed…only the wealthy would pay).
That is your moronic utopia.
If you want to be fair, how about everyone pays the same tax. Period. See how that plays out with your liberal buddies.
2. You and your progressive buddies were all worried about George Bush, the Patriot Act, the Department of Homeland Security, and the growth of the Police State. You were all outraged about that. Now your buddy is in power. Where’s the outrage over the reauthorization of the Patriot Act (with no sunset provision). Where’s your concern over the DHS buying 1.6 billion 40 cal hollow point rounds. Ya think that those will be used just against conservatives?
3. Barack Obama stated he wouldn’t try and take away anyone’s guns. Now he wants to take away assault rifles. Which time was he lying; then or now?
One of Satan’s most effective tactics is to con people into thinking that everyone agrees with him, and that if you don’t, you’re all alone in your beliefs. In case you haven’t noticed, it’s the very same tactic used by the Left.
If you create the illusion that your numbers are much greater than they actually are, the weak, gullible, and mindless sheep will follow you.
A thought on what the troll wrote:
Either we live in a socialist society or we are on our own is a false choice and has nothing to do with reality. The actual choice is, do we each have full possession of our own lives or are our lives to be bound by collectivism and the whims of politics and those people that gain political power?
Calvin Coolidge spoke on the same topic as Brandon Smith. Speaking of the progressives of his time, from his 4th of July 1927 speech:
“It is often asserted that the world has made a great deal of progress since 1776, that we have had new thoughts and new experiences which have given us a great advance over the people of that day, and that we may therefore very well discard their conclusions for something more modern. But that reasoning can not be applied to this great charter. If all men are created equal, that is final. If they are endowed with inalienable rights, that is final. If governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed, that is final. No advance, no progress can be made beyond these propositions. If anyone wishes to deny their truth or their soundness, the only direction in which he can proceed historically is not forward, but backward toward the time when there was no equality, no rights of the individual, no rule of the people. Those who wish to proceed in that direction can not lay claim to progress. They are reactionary. Their ideas are not more modern, but more ancient, than those of the Revolutionary fathers.”
If you want to be fair, how about everyone pays the same tax. Period. See how that plays out with your liberal buddies.
That isn’t remotely fair… and you know it. If you take 10% from someone who makes $15k a year, that is the difference between food and shelter, and destitution. If you make $1Billion… a 99% tax rate will still have you literally driving Ferraris between mansions.
You don’t get it. I know. Which is why you would even state something so utterly infantile.
Warren Harding and Calvin Coolidge both made the same mistake. They should have fired the progressive Herbert Hoover.
Both men, however, were the last to really embrace the concept of a smaller, less intrusive, less expensive federal government. They cut government spending by 1/3 and paid down half the national debt (mostly from WWI…another progressive war).
Herbert Hoover embraced the idea of government intervention in the economy, promoting deficit spending to get out of a recession. FDR ran against more government spending and creating more government debt, and then proceeded to embrace both concepts with a vengeance.
What was it that the tool up top was saying about conservatives want no government? All we want is a constitutionally limited federal government. Let Massachusetts and New York abuse their citizens as much as they can get away with. I wouldn’t live in either place for love or money.
TODAY’S QUESTION
Isn’t it time to put petty tyrants like NYC’s Bloomberg out of our misery? When will some old school New Yorker bitch-slap the limp-wristed runt and demand, ‘who the fuck do you think you are, asshole’?
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“ass always” must be part of some low-budget drone program. Frankly, I am insulted they sent us such an intellectually deficient model.
Whom can I sue for the pain and suffering this slight has caused me?
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Hey, “ass always”: why don’t u find out why GE under Obama BFF J. Immelt HASN’T PAID A DIME IN TAXES FOR YEARS.
Get back to US when u know.
Till then..
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You know you are directly over the target when a lurking troll is first up to vomit his bile.
So what is it that these tyranny admiring poverty pimps from the past are promising humanity in exchange for their individual liberty ?
A right to housing, food, healthcare insurance, cell phones, ect . In other words, a comfortable existence even as a non producer.
Another commonality is that these are all things which require brute force to administer.
Somebody’s freedom must be sacrificed on the alter of liberalism so that these “positive rights” can be delivered.
We currently refer to this as slavery.
It’s no coincidence that the history of the world is fraught with examples of this brute force in action.
Thanks for posting it, Dave.
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Wow, libs REALLY never let a crisis go to waste, do they:
Harry Reid Implies Sequester Caused Explosion That Killed 7 Marines In Nevada
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/03/19/harry_reid_implies_sequester_caused_explosion_that_killed_7_marines_in_nevada.html
It was hairy Reid who blocked the bill to block ILLEGAL ALIENS from collecting BILLIONS in phony child tax credits from the IRS.
The $7.4 BILLION in phony child tax credits sent to Mexico in 2012 alone would surely pay many times over for all the military training the TRAITOR Reid is crying his crocodile tears about.
Give the man an Oscar but get him OUT of the Senate!
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“as always says:March 20, 2013 at 11:35 am”
Who MAKES a billion dollars a year?
Do you know the diffrences between MAKING a billion dollars a year, HAVING a billion dollars and BEING WORTH a billion dollars?
How do “the rich” make money?
Who hires “the poor” and PAYS them?
Is BASIC ECCONOMICS beyond your capasity to think?
Hmm. Still here. No ‘revolution’ yet. Nobody has been eaten by the gov’mit. there aren’t UN soldiers on your lawn taking away your guns.
Guess I’ll try again tomorrow. Because you can’t just be totally insane… right? Right.
KH –
Hyperbole. As you well know. Illustrative of a point. A fairly common happenstance in what we call the “English language”.
Stop playing dumb. (You aren’t playing, are you?)
That all you’ve got? I am (as always) correct in my assessment of both our fiscal policy, and your looming collective insanity.
“teehee says:March 20, 2013 at 1:28 pm”
Avoids the topic, refuses to tackle the questions posted and runs away while spouting crap.
This is the sort of stuff I learned from the communists I had the displeasure of knowing.
KNOW THIS, IDIOT REGRESSIVES:
For DECADES, Americans have been talked into “trying a LITTLE socialism”. Each and every time, it FAILED and we were told that MORE socialism would fix the problems IT HAD CREATED. It is now the 21st century and America has BECOME socialist; AND THINGS SUCK WORSE THAN EVER BEFORE.
Where’s that “perfection” you were promased? Is it because there are people who still believe in FREEDOM and INDIVIUALITY? Your “hearos of the revolution” have ALWAYS had an answer for that: MASS MURDER.
Are YOU prepared for that? I should warn you that YOU may be dragged off to die in a “work camp” or just hung from a street lamp for being a “useless eater”.
“as always says: March 20, 2013 at 1:31 pm”
No answer? Afraid of answering, stupid, or following the communists’ guidelines?
Try a little socialism. Like… social security? Which has successfully prevented massive poverty among the elderly. Delivered (and continues to deliver) exactly what it promised. And a good thing for society.
“Democratic socialism” is our current system of government. Some minimum standard that we uphold and adhere to. And it actually seems to be working pretty well.
I have to once again point out… there are no UN soldiers on your lawn. There are no plans to death panel your grandmother. There are no black helicopters. All of that shit is completely made up to drive stupid people into a frenzy (and of course buy lots of guns, survival crap and the rest). Appears to be working pretty well.
“as always says:March 20, 2013 at 1:31 pm
“I am (as always) correct in my assessment of both our fiscal policy…”
Tell us this:
How are you regressives going to PAY OFF THE NATIONAL DEBT? It is currently LARGER than the GDP.
Here’s another poser:
How are you going to stop the MUSLIMS from beating the shit out of you and taking over your commie “paradise” when you fools have made it a HATE CRIME to say a word against their religion and they will CUT YOUR HEAD OFF if you do?
KHarn, you are wasting your time trying to reason with this idiot.
Just know that if a Republican had done just half of these things, it would be ‘as always’ screaming to high heavens about shredding the Constitution, and black helicopters spying on us.
I get paid by the word, so keep it coming.
The national debt is an issue, of course, but it is not going to be fixed with raw austerity (how is that going for the EU these days? can you not even see reality when it unfolds in front of you every day?)
So – the fix. Quite simple, really. Get the economy going again. Use stimulus spending. Raise tax rates on cap gains and carried interest to the same rates as regular income. Grow the middle class. And …like magic… the budget looks better. Every year. This is not f-ing rocket science. It works. Has in the past, and will again in the future. This is what us ‘normal people’ call reason.
Nope. No black helicopters. W was a moron, but not inherently evil. Obama is educated, and not inherently evil. You people are stupid, and occasionally inherently evil. Meh.
Wait a tick… nope. Still no UN troops on your lawn. Keep looking!
“as always says:March 20, 2013 at 1:45 pm”
SOCIAL SECURITY:
Bankrupt. In debt for billions. Orignaly, it was NOT TO BE TAXED and the funds collected were NOT TO BE USED FOR ANYTHING ELSE. It has been for decades. It has been used to fund all those “social programs”.
My last SS statement said that I had over $90,000 in it. I wish that I had that money to INVEST into something more substantal that government IOUs.
“Democratic socialism”
Never worked, never will.
I am 55 years old, so I remember when America was FREE. There was a time when the government was NOT in everybody’s business (Personal or ecconomic) and we could use OUR OWN JUDGEMENT.
Do you think that you can “make it work this time” because you have “the right people” and “the best and the brightest” this time? That is exactly what has been said EVERY TIME. Every time, “the best and the brightest” and “the right people” were the ones who PROPOSED socialism and every time, THEY were also the ones who said that people had to DIE.
Yes, there are no “black helecopters” or “UN troops” in sight, but there are also no HAMMER AND SICKLES or RED STARS. Those are only symbols for the people to hate or adore.
By the way, AMERICA has alsways provided the UN with the most solders since the UN HAS NO troops. Some of OUR OWN congressmen have proposed that the UN be given control of our military. Then there are the demand for “international law” over-riding the Constiutution.
What do you have against the Constitution anyway?
Social Security:
Still here. Checks go out every day. There is sufficient money to pay out unadjusted benefits until the mid 2030s. And … here’s the part where your dumb ass (and all of the other imbecilic posteriors hereabouts) falls off the truck: IT WORKS. Elderly people are not destitute in America. It is an effective social contract that delivered exactly what it set out to do.
Fool.
And, as long as I am calling you stupid (because you are stupid)…
that means I am right. democratic socialism. working.
You ever get sick of being wrong?
“StanInTexas says:March 20, 2013 at 1:49 pm
“KHarn, you are wasting your time trying to reason with this idiot.”
I know, but I like to see them run in fear from reality.
“as always says:March 20, 2013 at 1:58 pm”
The EU has been crushed by SOCIALISM. It has FAILED!!
“Stimulous spending”.
Where will the money come from? PRINT more? Hyper-inflation = worthless paper. Borrow from Red China? MORE DEBT. Tax “the rich”? HOw will they hire people or build/expand their businesses?
“Like magic”
OHHH! NOW I get it!
“as always says:March 20, 2013 at 2:06 pm
“And, as long as I am calling you stupid (because you are stupid)…
“that means I am right.”
Ah, GRADE SCHOOL tactics.
“Like magic”. HA! HA!
“as always says: March 20, 2013 at 2:04 pm
“Social Security:
Still here. Checks go out every day.”
IOUs. Paper backed by NOTHING. When Roosevelt initiated Social Security, our money was backed by GOLD AND SILVER (Specie).
You are a dull child with a mind full of mush.
“Like magic”.
The part where you are wrong, and I am right, carefully glossed over. The part where soc sec is in fact a successful program delivering exactyl what it promises… glossed over.
Better get back to guarding Montana from the dangerous UN troops! Because you clearly aren’t capable of anything else.
IOUs. Paper backed by NOTHING. When Roosevelt initiated Social Security, our money was backed by GOLD AND SILVER (Specie).
And yet… you can still cash them. And spend them. And it continues to successfully deliver exactly what it promises. Or, as you call it, ‘failure’.
Dolt.
Freedom is always frightening to those who have
known only slavery….
Liberty is the exercise of the responsibilities
attending freedom
Another glittering jewel of the liberal lazy-ass mindset that someone else will do everything for me. People like this don’t deserve freedom at all.
Just once I would like to hear a politician explain odumbocare in terms of how much freedom it will obliterate.
As always, when Roosevelt was elected president, you could exchange a $20 bill for a one ounce gold coin. When FDR left office, your $20 bill could only buy about 1/2 ounce of gold, except for the fact that US citizens couldn’t own gold.
Today, it will take about $32.00 to buy one ounce of silver.
Social security is working as designed. It was a program set up to rob from the younger generation to pay for the older generation. It is a ponzi scheme. Like all ponzi schemes, it works very well until it suddenly stops working.
Your argument is like the guy who has fallen off of a cliff. Half way to the bottom, he says “so far; so good.”
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/03/18/real-news-un-arms-treaty-talks-heat-up/
BTW, progressive nit wit….I suppose you also support the UN Small Arms Treaty, too.
“Every man for himself, no government, no social programs of any sort… as we slowly devolve back into wild animals?”
Still flunking your remedial debating classes, I see. This is what’s called the false dichotomy fallacy. And the idea that humanity has the choice between having their lives governed by an all powerful centralised state bureaucracy and anarchic savagery is an especially retarded example.
“We The People do not agree with you.”
I see what you’ve done there. You’re so clever, anonyweenie.
“We quite rightly point out that the math works fine if we just make the very wealthiest people pay the rate the rest of us pay. Nothing more.”
If the wealthiest pay substantially less tax than everyone else, they’ll be enough tax revenue to fund massive government spending forever? I see…
“Then comes the interesting bit – that equates, in your minds, with some imagined moment when the government will be forced to shoot you down like dogs as you take up arms to defend your ‘freedom’ from the rest of us. Or something. Yeah… seems reasonable to me.”
It seemed reasonable to the Founding Fathers as well. Hence the Second Amendment.
“…And Black Helicopers! Drones! Geroge Soros! The Bilderburg Group! The UN!”
Your attempts at wit are just as outstanding as your ability to process logic.
“I’ll remind you over time of how stupid you look at this moment,”
Anonyweenie just said this. It’s like Madonna just accused you of being an untalented publicity whoring skank.
“Notice how often you seem to be… wrong?”
Would this be the same troll who thought the Fukushima incident would leave America’s East Coast uninhabitable and the BP spill would devastate oceanic life for decades to come?
The rattlesnake needs to bite the demacratic donkey
Ever notice how trolls always, regardless of the topic, trot out the same variation of the “this makes you look/sound [fill-in-the-blank]” meme?
Huh. Curious, that.
Social Security was a fraud from the start. The only way it “worked” initially, is it was set to kick in at 65 at a time when the average life expectancy was 58.
That’s right. It was intentionally designed so that the majority of people would die before they saw a penny of the money they put in, and the government could keep the difference. It was the world’s biggest con, a revenue scheme disguised as free money.
Between 1940 and 1950 the average life expectancy rose from 62 to 68, and Social Security first began to unravel. The average life expectancy now is 78, and the system is coming apart at the seams. If you want Social Security to “work as intended”, you would have to move the collection age to 85 or higher. As it stands now, it will require exponentially more money every year as the population grows. Social Security currently consumes nearly 30% of the Federal budget, and medicare consumes just as much again. Over $900 billion each, if you’re wondering. The taxes that pay for both make up 35% of federal revenue, just over $800 billion, which works out to 17.5%/$400 billion per program. In other words, they cost twice as much as the taxes that supposedly pay for them.
If you’re wondering how much each program contributes to the debt, if we cut them both down to $400 billion each, the budget would be balanced. In other words, the amount that SS and Medicare exceed their tax base by accounts for the entire deficit single-handedly. Think about it.
Wilberforce
It appears the troll has all these fill in the blank shiny nickels (bankrupt government programs) to offer in place of your liberty.
Meanwhile the ground zero of “democratic socialism” Greece, Cyprus, Spain, heck the entire EU is going up in flames
Then there is the Coup de Grace of socialism security, the reality it faces with faces an $8.6 trillion shortfall over the next 75-years
“So – the fix. Quite simple, really. Get the economy going again. Use stimulus spending. Raise tax rates on cap gains and carried interest to the same rates as regular income. Grow the middle class. And …like magic… the budget looks better. Every year. This is not f-ing rocket science. It works. Has in the past, and will again in the future. This is what us ‘normal people’ call reason.”
That is some weapons grade idiocy. You may have not noticed, Nom du Jour, but the so called stimulus spending hasn’t worked, nor has it ever, nor will it ever.
Every dollar of “stimulus”, if borrowed, must be paid back with interest, or defaulted upon, which makes further borrowing rather difficult. See: Greek Islands being sold to Qatar Emir to raise cash.
Every dollar of “stimulus” that is not borrowed but merely printed decreases value of everything. See: Hyperinflation.
Every dollar of “stimulus” neither borrowed nor printed is taken from a tax payer, individual or corporate. Every dollar taken from an individual is a dollar less the individual cannot spend on goods and services – the real stimulus. Every dollar taken from a corporation is a dollar less the corporation cannot spend on improvements, wages, expansion, R&D, or other necessities. Every dollar taken from and individual or corporation and simply given to another, your so called “stimulus”, is a net gain of zero or less. See: Soylndra.
Sorry, you don’t get your participation ribbon or fruit cup; now go get your shinebox.
Hey I’m a simple guy. A semi-literate construction worker; hence, I must rely on visual aides to help me understand complicated abstract concepts. But the fiscal and monetary debacle we find ourselves is really isn’t very hard to wrap our minds around. First all you need to know that money is a fungible proxy and ALL money is fiat – even gold. Secondly, wealth creation is dependent upon the degree of man’s ability to reason, labor and produce. Thirdly, the economy is about to implode. How do I know that? Back to visual aides. On the following pie charts, juxtaposed government spending with government revenues then ask yourself if a dumbed down multicult American populace can ever reconcile the two?
http://www.concordcoalition.org/learn/budget/federal-budget-pie-charts
I’m back. Anyone have UN troops in your yard this morning? Anyone’s grandmother eaten by government wolves?
No?
Huh. I’ll keep waiting. You certainly wouldn’t want to look… stupid.
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I always like to comment on dead threads.
It gives me chills up my leg.
Waiting.
Yeah.
See reasonable mathematical analysis of how social spending’s structure is flawed, with suggestions to correct the observed flaws: respond with nonsense about grandmothers being eaten by wolves.
The pinnacle of left-wing “debate”, clearly.