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Oct 16 2011

The End Game Unfolds

You’ll never get a clue what’s being done to this country from the complicit “mainstream” media. But a KGB expert who defected to the good guys was explaining it for us back in the 80s. Yuri Bezmenov tried to warn us:

Obama’s Cloward-Piven spending and the Occupy Wall Street movement make it obvious that America’s enemies have now reached the final stage before the establishment of totalitarian collectivism: destabilization.

On a tip from Obama Nation.

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  • Oiao

    I’m glad this was posted again. It needs to be posted every week as a reminder.

    Thanks.

  • Jimbo

    Oiao! How’s it buddy?

    The only thing that can stop these communist bastards is exercising our 2nd Amendment rights. Buy more ammo. The time is coming.

  • Oiao

    Shout out at you Jimbo. Things are good. Got all that other stuff covered!

    Best to you and your project.

  • Bob Roberts

    Careful, Jimbo – lao will mistake your wise call to be prepared when the violent leftists show up at your door intent on murdering you as a call to start shooting them first.

  • Bob Roberts

    At the end he talks of “forcing the government to stop aiding communism”.

    Note that we do this by REMOVING THOSE FROM POWER WHO DO SO BY NOT VOTING FOR THEM, BY VOTING FOR OTHERS.

    All we need is for lao or some other moonbat to say he’s suggesting an armed, violent revolution. That’s what THEY do, not us.

  • beforethestorm

    I posted this to another site. It works here too:
    The irony here is militant socialist movements eat their own. The people that start out leading these things will very likely end up dead if the movement somehow supplants the current government. All the folks I see in these videos are very poor students of history. They are useful idiots. Roseanne Barr and Michael Moore will end up against the wall beside me right after the most vociferous opponents of the new regime. Then people who have been with the movement from the start who aren’t “revolutionary” (read bloodthirsty) enough will be shot. Such a system is based on violence and distrust. People will be dragged from their beds in the night and never seen again, regardless of their professed loyalty to the movement. They will die with befuddled looks on their faces. There will be endless purges. Talk to anybody from the former Soviet Union or its satellite countries.

    I’m a Christian conservative with libertarian leanings and a Masters degree. Look into takeovers by Communists in the last century. They killed everybody who had an education. Heck, Chairman Mao killed everybody who wore glasses.

  • Obama Nation

    Thanks for posting this video. One important point that Yuri makes on this video, (which I have found to be very disturbingly but true) is that once a person has been brainwashed or indoctrinated past a certain point, any attempts to reason with them about the dangers of communism will not be enough to get them to wake up and smell the death camps.

    Unfortunately many of the folks that we sometimes refer to as Moonbats have already reached that point of no return.

    http://www.commieblaster.com/

  • lao

    Yeah Jimbo, go ahead and explain to bobby how you are simply purchasing thousands of rounds of ammo for being able to respond when the violent leftists show up at your door intent on murdering you

    Jimbo says:
    October 14, 2011 at 10:28 am
    I hate communists; totally and absolutely hate the bastards. Communists are why I am constantly buying more ammo.

  • http://reaganiterepublicanresistance.blogspot.com Reaganite Republican

    The man is obviously brilliant, and what he has to say more than a little bit enlightening

    He knows what’s going on in this country today FAR better than most of us know ourselves

  • born in 76

    “””lao says:
    October 16, 2011 at 1:00 pm

    Yeah Jimbo, go ahead and explain to bobby how you are simply purchasing thousands of rounds of ammo for being able to respond when the violent leftists show up at your door intent on murdering you”””

    Hey jackass, talk to someone who actually lived in a communist environment. They’ll tell you that knocking in your door in the middle of the night is exactly what happens.

    This would be happening in the US already if it wasn’t for the 2nd amendment. You’re damn right resistance will be met at every turn.

  • lao

    Bezmenov was interviewed by G. Edward Griffin in 1984.

    Bezmenov defected to the west, disguised as a hippie, in 1970.

    G. Edward Griffin was a speechwriter for Curtis LeMay, vice-presidential running mate of George Wallace in the 1968 presidential election. A long time member of the John Birch Society, he focused for years on communist and capitalist conspiracies.

    1984 would be during the first Reagan administration when the former Soviet Union was fighting in Afghanistan and east-west cold war tensions were at a peak.

    1984 was be a year before Gorbachev and three years before the liberalization his regime introduced.

    1984 was 7 years before the dissolving of the Soviet Union.

    I DO enjoy watching Blount feed your paranoia with information 27 years old.

  • Tim from TK

    “lao says: October 16, 2011 at 1:00 pm

    Yeah Jimbo, go ahead and explain to bobby how you are simply purchasing thousands of rounds of ammo for being able to respond when the violent leftists show up at your door intent on murdering you”

    Lao, always ignoring the calls from violent lefists, glosses over this:

    “How hard is it for us to stake out one of the obvious access roads to some tech company, tail an employee home and toss a liquor bottle full of flaming gasoline through their nice picture window into their cute house,” wrote the author of the email.”

    http://www.westernfreepress.com/2011/10/10/ows-types-threaten-to-kill-wealthy-people/

    However, lao thinking Beria was a conservative, would attempt to paint this as a right wing threat.

  • lao

    If anyone sends threatening e-mails, arrest them, I have no problem with that.

    I’m sure you are aware that politicians on all sides regularly get threats.

  • Tim from TK

    “lao says:
    October 16, 2011 at 2:12 pm
    If anyone sends threatening e-mails, arrest them, I have no problem with that.

    I’m sure you are aware that politicians on all sides regularly get threats.”

    Sorry, ace, it is Joe Sixpack who is being threatened – I know you avoid reading anything not given to you by MoveOn, but do try it some time.

  • Belfast

    Screwtape, the senior devil in C.S. Lewis’ “Screwtape Letters” advises to never say a message is wrong -say it is out of date, or old fashioned.
    Resorting to this ploy, Lao, betrays your malevolence.

  • Ezra Klein

    Yeah, the Constitution’s like 100 years old and stuff.

  • Dung Beetle Lao

    Molon Labe, OWS, molon labe!

  • lao

    timmy you really should take your own advice and read the links and sources you post.

    Several influential New York state lawmakers have received threatening mails saying it is “time to kill the wealthy” if they don’t renew the state’s tax surcharge on millionaires, according to reports.

    State Police told the New York Daily News that they are aware of the email and are investigating the incident.

  • Obama Nation

    Freshman Repubican Says ‘Evicting’ Illegals Opens Up Millions of Jobs for Americans

    http://www.christianpost.com/news/freshman-repubican-says-evicting-illegals-opens-up-millions-of-jobs-for-americans-56216/

  • Jimbo

    lao says:
    October 16, 2011 at 1:00 pm

    Yeah Jimbo, go ahead and explain to bobby how you are simply purchasing thousands of rounds of ammo for being able to respond when the violent leftists show up at your door intent on murdering you

    Jimbo says:
    October 14, 2011 at 10:28 am
    I hate communists; totally and absolutely hate the bastards. Communists are why I am constantly buying more ammo.
    ~

    I stand by every word of every post I make, you obama-damned communist pussy. You don’t believe me, pussy? Knock on my door and demand I give you what I earned, pussy. I’m waiting, you communist pussy, I’m waiting. You want my address, pussy?

  • Jimbo

    And Loa – yes you are RIGHT! I buy bullets to kill communists and other thieves who want to take what is mine. You got a problem with that, pussy?

  • lao

    bwahahahaha!!

    More unadulterated hatred from Jimbo, who rarely posts anything else.

    I sincerely hope some poor uniformed courier, trying to deliver an unexpected package, doesn’t knock, with authority, on your door when you are in one of your…er…common moods.

  • Bob Roberts

    lao says: October 16, 2011 at 1:59 pm
    —————-
    So basically, in pointing out that those who are trying to do to America what was done to the Soviet Union failed some time ago, is that those who are trying to “fundamentally transform” America are doomed to failure.

    We agree and, as a result, would rather not go through with the experiment, thank you.

    Now I see that Obama Nation just posted pretty much exactly what I came on at this moment to post… looks like I’m about an hour late. I was just sitting here, enjoying the beach, and I though, “What if we got the OWS moonbats together with the moonbats who say that illegal aliens are necessary because they do jobs Americans won’t?” These moonbats say there are no jobs, but there are – there are many that illegals are doing that I’d be glad to see THEM doing instead. But they don’t really want jobs, they want handouts.

    lao says: October 16, 2011 at 1:00 pm
    ————–
    Again, Jimbo didn’t say he’s going to go out and start shooting communists for no other reason than they deserve it or some such. He’s just letting you moonbats know that when you come for him he’s going to be ready. I encourage EVERYONE to be ready, which is part of why I’m solidly behind the 2nd Amendment and against ANYONE who wants to use ANY method to get around it, particularly illegal methods used by Holder and Obama (FAST & FURIOUS).

  • AC

    lao, with regard to the emails and signs, you do understand that violence in class conflict is considered central and essential in Marxist-Leninist philosophy, right?

    These leftist loons are doing exactly as their professors and brainwashers have instructed.

    The works of Marx and Lenin are inherently violent. Do you denounce them?

  • Bob Roberts

    lao says: October 16, 2011 at 4:04 pm
    ————

    lao reveals his reading comprehension issues/routine lying in obvious ways:

    NOTE WHAT JIMBO SAID:

    “Knock on my door and demand I give you what I earned

    He didn’t say just “knock on my door bringing me a package” or just “knock on my door”. He said what he said and it was appropriate. You come to my door trying to take what’s mine you’re going to get a surprise as well, lao. If you come as a friend you will be welcomed. If you come bearing gifts, you will be welcomed all the more. If you come to take that which is not yours, which you don’t deserve, you’re going to get something all right, but it won’t be what you wanted or expected.

    That’s not a threat, it’s a promise!

  • lao’s bleeding anus

    You’ll have to pardon me…

    Sundays for me are usually spent bent over the couch being serviced by the local Black Panther chapter.

  • Dr. Phil

    The voices in lao’s head are Larry, Curly and Moe.

  • lao’s bleeding anus

    <blockquote cite?The voices in lao’s head are Larry, Curly and Moe.

    Actually, they’re Malik, Jerome and Leon.

  • gordo

    People who cannot argue with facts dismiss them as silly, unlikely, or impossible. Bezmenov worked for the KGB. He defected. You lefties think he’s just lying?
    If so, what reason would he have?

    I guess he is right when he says you can bury these people with facts and they won’t believe it until a gun muzzle is pushed to the back of their heads.

    “There must be some mistake! I’m a socialist like you! I worked for you!” BAM, end of argument.

  • AC

    Here’s a huge Occupy Chicago crowd giving overwhelming applause to a CPUSA spokesperson following a speech.

    The growing Marxist mobs are aligning themselves with a violent ideology.

    lao, this is why people rightfully buy ammo for self-defense.

    These are not milquetoast European social democrats demanding the tax slaves be bled by a few more percent.

    This movement is sympathetic to the inherent violence of communism.

    People should be worried that a mob might turn on them in the name of “social justice” just as mobs have been doing along racial lines.

    Concerns about where we might be five or ten years from now are well-founded.

    Imagine for a moment that Romney gets elected, the spending continues, the dollar continues its decline, the economy goes to hell, and all of a sudden, the Arabs throw out another oil embargo or Europe goes into full meltdown – the dollar would hyperinflate and there would be mobs in the streets.

    California moonbats marginalized people who thought they needed guns, especially immigrants from non-gun-owning South Korea, but as soon as civil society broke down in Los Angeles in 1992, the people, especially Asian minorities, wished they had some way to fend off the social justice wealth redistributors roaming the streets.

  • Son of Taz

    If this video was made a few weeks ago, its credibility would be suspect. But, where it was made 25 years ago and we’re seeing what Yuri said then coming true today, well, gentlemen, just keep exercising your 2nd Amedment rights – while we still have them.

  • lao

    AC, I sincerely doubt you could find very many people participating in the O.W.S. demonstrations who could give any kind of clear overview of Marxist-Leninist philosophy.

    Since you say that philosophy “is inherently violent”, it’s obviously not one I adhere to.

    I understand there actually used to be a Marxist-Leninist Party in the U.S. but they faded away decades ago. No surprise.

  • Bob Roberts

    AC says: October 16, 2011 at 4:06 pm

    ———–
    The point lao is missing is that the left is so livid that, after they worked so hard to elect moonbats, those moonbats they elected aren’t listening to them, that the left is threatening them in many cases! How soon he forgot that Loughner was not a right wing monster but rather a left wing lunatic. As I’ve often pointed out, he thinks in exclusively two dimensional ways. To him it is unthinkable that a left wing person might go after another left wing person. Yet he’s OK with American Africans savaging “their own” for the sole reason that they disagree. It’s OK to criticize Cain if you disagree with him. I think his 9 9 9 plan is unrealistic, will not ever be enacted and further I think he knows it, too. But at least he has a plan.

  • Bob Roberts

    lao says: October 16, 2011 at 4:48 pm
    I sincerely doubt you could find very many people participating in the O.W.S. demonstrations who could give any kind of clear overview of Marxist-Leninist philosophy.
    ——
    Yes, I totally agree that they’re totally ignorant about the truth of what they’re advocating – once again you do occasionally come up with nuggets of truth, lao, and your admission these OWS people HAVE NO IDEA what they’re fighting for is one of your best yet!

    lao continues:

    Since you say that philosophy “is inherently violent”, it’s obviously not one I adhere to.

    ———–

    And yet EVERYTHING you post here is right out of their playbook. Accident? Coincidence?

    I THINK NOT!

  • lao

    More paranoid straw men from bobby. Ho-hum.

  • Bob Roberts

    DEFINITION OF IRONY:

    A ways back a valued contributor here posted a link to this article:

    http://www.westernfreepress.com/2011/10/10/ows-types-threaten-to-kill-wealthy-people/

    lao chastised him for not reading down far enough, pointing out the article talked about “New York lawmakers” getting threats.

    Here is the title line to his post:

    lao says: October 16, 2011 at 3:04 pm
    timmy you really should take your own advice and read the links and sources you post.

    ————
    I guess lao was objecting to Tim saying that “Joe Sixpack” is being threatened. This is another case of lao not being able to think beyond two dimensions, or perhaps even one – maybe I’ve been giving him twice the credit I should have all this time, so from here on out I’m going to accuse him of “one dimensional thinking”, since it appears that is more accurate than what I was saying, when I gave him some extra credit, before.

    This is a threat to Joe Sixpack and here is how: If the government caves to the demands of the OWS crowd, that openly calls for violence, yet lao still supports them, even though he insists he is against violence and those who advocate it, then ALL of us will suffer as we have suffered thanks to them electing Obama, only the suffering will be orders of magnitude worse. The government will be able to tell you what you can and cannot buy. Where you can and cannot live. Where you can and cannot go. Not only will they tell you what you can and cannot buy, they will gain the power to FORCE YOU TO BUY WHAT THEY SAY WHEN THEY SAY SO.

    Imagine the government demanding that everyone buy 8 track tape players or betamax units. Or that we all go back to VHS instead of DVD, old style LP records instead of mp3 downloads and such. Turn in our ipods for replicas of Thomas Edison’s first phonograph.

    Of course I’m engaging in hyperbole here to make a point, which I’m sure would go right past lao, given his one dimensional thinking!

    “It’s time to tax the millionaires!” reads the email, according to WTEN in Albany. “If you don’t, I’m going to pay a visit with my carbine to one of those tech companies you are so proud of and shoot every spoiled Ivy League [expletive] I can find.”

    [ . . . ]

    The email, with the threatening subject line of, “time to kill the wealthy,” was detailed and disturbing.

  • Bob Roberts

    OK here’s the short version. What lao missed:

    “It’s time to tax the millionaires!” reads the email, according to WTEN in Albany. “If you don’t, I’m going to pay a visit with my carbine to one of those tech companies you are so proud of and shoot every spoiled Ivy League [expletive] I can find.”

    [ . . . ]

    The email, with the threatening subject line of, “time to kill the wealthy,” was detailed and disturbing.

    ———
    If they start taking out the leadership of tech companies, who’s going to build the tech goodies the OWS protesters (and Joe Sixpack, too, mind you) are so addicted to?

  • Bob Roberts

    Plus, who is it that is threatening to kill the CEOs? The right?

    I don’t think so…

    It’s someone in or sympathetic to OWS, in other words, SOMEONE LIKE lao!

  • Bob Roberts

    lao says: October 16, 2011 at 5:01 pm

    More paranoid straw men from bobby. Ho-hum.

    Oh, so you are NOT posting in support of OWS? So you’re NOT admitting they’ve threatened to get violent? You’re NOT admitting that they were behind the threatening letters to the New York legislatures, in which you say they did NOT threaten to kill the rich, i.e. the upper management of tech companies?

    lao, we’ve been telling you that when the dirt you’re trying to throw out of that hole you’ve dug for yourself keeps hitting you on the head it’s a clear sign it’s time to STOP DIGGING, but you don’t listen.

    What is a straw man, lao?

    And where, anywhere, did I construct one?

    I quoted you!

    Where is it you claim I misquoted or misrepresented your position?

    I guess I was wrong – I guess, or at least now you’re suggesting, that you, too, disagree with the OWS movment and all it stands for. I guess you agree with us and you’re just taking a position opposite ours because you love to argue, there in your deep, dark hole that is your life.

  • lao

    You want a misrepresentation? Here you go.

    your admission these OWS people HAVE NO IDEA what they’re fighting for is one of your best yet!

  • Bob Roberts

    PARANOIA:

    Exhibiting or characterized by extreme and irrational fear or distrust of others, exhibiting undue suspicion, fear of persecution.

    I’m not afraid of leftists, I’m ready for them if they follow through with their openly repeated threats.

    I don’t distrust them. In fact I trust that they’re crazy enough that they will push the more mentally unstable among them to do exactly what they’ve been threatening to do all along. I’m not “suspicious” of them, as I said, I only expect that, like me, they aren’t just making meaningless statements but in fact they really do mean to carry out their threats. And again, I have no fear they will persecute me – but I know they’ve already caused us all damage and openly admit it is their intent to cause us much more.

  • AC

    AC, I sincerely doubt you could find very many people participating in the O.W.S. demonstrations who could give any kind of clear overview of Marxist-Leninist philosophy.

    That’s what leaders are for. Most peasants carrying rifles for the Bolsheviks could neither read nor write.

    These people were cheering the communist party. They may not be educated on the finer points of Marxist-Leninist class struggle, but they know communism isn’t about hugs and kittens.

    The mob is ready for a fight. What it doesn’t understand is the finer points of the Marxist-Leninist rhetoric supposedly justifying that fight.

    Every time we have a race riot in this country it isn’t the educated professors and ministers out doing the looting because of their deep knowledge of the history of racism in America. It’s the thuggish youth which gets whipped up into a frenzy they want to take out on the “enemies.” It’s the people who barely knew of the sacrifices made by MLK and other civil rights crusaders who are out smashing windows and stealing stereos or beating up people for being the wrong color.

    When it’s sufficiently agitated youth doing the violence (which would start with rioting), brains and history lessons are not necessary, regardless of whether it starts as an issue of race, class, or allegiance to a particular sports team.

    Shall I bring up that rather embarrassing hockey riot you guys just had in Vancouver? The youth got that one going pretty good.

    Since you say that philosophy “is inherently violent”, it’s obviously not one I adhere to.

    Excellent. Now you can denounce CPUSA’s brainwashing drive.

    I understand there actually used to be a Marxist-Leninist Party in the U.S. but they faded away decades ago. No surprise.

    There still are several revolutionary socialist/communist/Marxist/Leninist/Maoist/Stalinist/whatever parties in the US, and some lesser “movements”, such as the one organized by communist czar Van Jones.

    CPUSA’s position does not completely renounce violence or condemn the violence inherent to communism. CPUSA’s position is that working within the system is the proper way to do things, for now. This is why they split with the Revolutionary Communist Party.

  • Bob Roberts

    lao says: October 16, 2011 at 5:14 pm
    ———
    No, I did not misrepresent your words. OWS people are openly and repeatedly calling for the implementation of Marxist-Leninist ideas and concepts.

    Yet you said, here:

    lao says: October 16, 2011 at 4:48 pm
    AC, I sincerely doubt you could find very many people participating in the O.W.S. demonstrations who could give any kind of clear overview of Marxist-Leninist philosophy.

    QED

    I did not misrepresent you. The OWS people clearly don’t know what they’re fighting for AND YOU ADMITTED IT!

  • Bob Roberts

    After all, they “twinkle” whenever someone mentions any element of Marxist-Leninist philosophy, signalling their approval, yet you, yourself, admitted they aren’t able to give a clear overview of that very philosophy. Ergo they have no idea what they’re fighting for, AS YOU ADMIT!

  • Bob Roberts

    As I have demonstrated, lao slipped up and admitted that the OWS people, and I guess he was talking about the masses but we’ll let him clarify if he wishes, have such little knowledge of actual Marxist-Leninist philosophy that they cannot give an overview of it to save their lives. Yet every word they say is straight out of the Marxist-Leninist playbook. Now lao has backtracked (as usual, big surprise) and claimed he did NOT say that? But he did, for all to see, above. HE ADMITTED these nimrods don’t have a clue what they’re fighting for, JUST AS I SAID, just as I’ve always said, just as, now, he’s admitted!

    Oh, he’s not happy about his mistake. Remember when I made a few mistakes a ways back? I admitted it and got past it. But he won’t admit it. Narcissists don’t make mistakes, after all. Or, at least, they can never admit it!

  • Bob Roberts

    AC says: October 16, 2011 at 4:06 pm
    [to lao]

    The works of Marx and Lenin are inherently violent. Do you denounce them?

    ————–

    lao, I never saw you answer this – did I miss it or are you “running away”?

  • lao

    bobby, I love how you are unconscious of your own contradictions.

    Are OWS people “repeatedly calling for the implementation of Marxist-Leninist ideas and concepts”?

    OR

    Do the OWS people clearly not know what they are fighting for?

  • Secret Squirrel

    it is possible that a good majority do not know what they are fighting for in OWS simply because that is a function of GROUPTHINK. Mindlessly following what everyone else is doing without giving it much thought. Some big mouth says it’s good, a few drones nod there heads in agreement everyone else joins in on the nodding.

    Or haven’t you ever heard of groupthink in your perfect world?

  • lao

    squirrel, I see it on display here daily.

  • Stephan the Original

    A few of lao’s mistakes so far:

    1. Unable to see that Jimbo will only defend his own property, not put anybody’s else’s life or property at risk. So all lao has is a baseless smear.
    2. Thinks that a criticism of ’27 years’ makes the video invalid, when actually it’s obvious accuracy makes it prophetic.
    3. Is unable to comprehend that the video speaks of ‘useful idiots’ who destabilise a country but do so after being inflamed to believe they are being ‘done over’ by the rich but really have no coherent message. He doesn’t realise that in claiming this a ‘straw man’, he is exhibiting the very thing Yuri speaks about – ambivalence to the truth and is therefore a useful idiot himself, all the while as he basks in his own pseudo-intellectual smugness. But the boot to his backside is coming.

    My hope is that you might wake up, lao. You’re depressingly thick.

  • Tim from TK

    “lao says: October 16, 2011 at 3:04 pm
    timmy you really should take your own advice and read the links and sources you post.”

    The “lawmakers” received the emails that threatened Joe Sixpack. Again, I know this wasn’t handed to you you predigested by HuffPo, so it is hard for you to understand, but here is the text:

    “How hard is it for us to stake out one of the obvious access roads to some tech company, tail an employee home and toss a liquor bottle full of flaming gasoline through their nice picture window into their cute house,” wrote the author of the email.”

    Please note it doesn’t say “tail the lawmakers”.

  • Bob Roberts

    The OWS actually adores the 1% even as they hate them!

    It’s true.

    They idolize Marx.

    Marx was born into a wealthy family.

    Typical flea-bagger, even after getting a first class education (perhaps because he studied all the wrong things?), he wound up driving himself to poverty then began his career of producing angry screeds against those who didn’t make the same mistakes he did.

    Instead of directing your efforts at improving your situation by improving and applying yourself, he advocated taking what others had rightly earned through their own hard work and dedication for yourself, and in fact doing so violently. He was not a producer – he was a destroyer and he advocates destruction as a means of going forward?

    He is one of the early if not on of the original class warriors.

    Lenin was an early advocate of Marxism. Just as the left is calling for “civil” war, Lenin participated in one in Russia. Funny how they claim to be anti-war but war is what they’re determined to bring to America – a war that will literally tear our nation apart.

    Lenin, too, was hardly a child of poverty. He was born into a comfortable family. Lenin’s father became a Russian nobleman. So maybe we can guess Lenin’s feelings about killing “upper class”, successful people may have had their roots in some sort of Oedipus complex perhaps?

    If you take a look at him you find typical signs of narcissism. He considered himself an intellectual, a member of the “bourgeois” and no doubt hated himself even as he was trapped in an unending love for himself because of his narcissism. This guilt and conflict drove him mercilessly, no doubt.

    But what REALLY drove his radicalization? Could it be related to his brother trying to engage in an act of political assassination, for which he was caught, tried and executed? And his apparent co-conspirator sister was sentenced to being banished to a farm in Tartarstan? I’d be upset if the government killed my brother, I guess. Maybe enough to forget that HE DESERVED IT FOR TRYING TO ASSASSINATE SOMEONE! No, actually, I think I might just understand and consider myself lucky I didn’t get myself mixed up in that nonsense. So what does Lenin do?

    He gets himself mixed up in that nonsense!

    D’OH!

  • Bob Roberts

    lao says: October 16, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    There’s no contradiction there, lao. Only in your warped and twisted mind. You’re taking my statements out of context, but they still make sense.

    Here, since you can only think in ONE dimension, it turns out, let me explain:

    A) Are OWS people “repeatedly calling for the implementation of Marxist-Leninist ideas and concepts”?

    THE ANSWER IS YES. As YOU admit, they don’t ALWAYS realize that’s what they’re doing. But they do want to create a classless society, take from those who’ve earned things and redistribute those things to those who have not, grow government until it’s all-controlling and all the other nonsense that Marx and Lenin advocated or that is a logical and natural extension of their ideas. Only SOME of them are actually invoking the names Marx and Lenin, but for the most part all of them are demanding, in true Marx/Lenin fashion, for the destruction of capitalism and the imposition of inferior ideas and mechanisms.

    B) Do the OWS people clearly not know what they are fighting for?

    Yes, they do not know what they are fighting for, AS YOU ADMITTED. They carry around images of Che and Marx and Lenin, they invoke their names, but as YOU said and I AGREE they cannot really give a cogent overview of what it is they’re demanding. Like you, they’re programmed, indoctrinated, wound up then sent out to march.

    I don’t get why you’re digging in deeper here lao. You’re the one who ADMITTED the OWS people don’t have a clue about the Marxist-Leninist ideas they are demanding we implement.

    I think YOUR misunderstanding is in your one dimensional insistence that these idiots don’t know what they’re fighting for, hence they can’t be fighting for it.

    That’s basically your position, though watch, you’ll deny it.

  • Secret Squirrel

    Bob Roberts says:
    October 16, 2011 at 5:59 pm

    Typical flea-bagger, even after getting a first class education (perhaps because he studied all the wrong things?), he wound up driving himself to poverty then began his career of producing angry screeds against those who didn’t make the same mistakes he did.

    ————

    I am recently divorced, basically broke (both parents are dead so I am on my own) but have only one thing going for me, a good head on my shoulders, so I am going to pay my way through college taking night courses. I’ll for the foreseeable future be eating mac and cheese as well as tuna fish sandwiches. I won’t bitch because the other person has it better than I. What he or she has better is not my concern. Good for them to have made it, I’ll make better for myself and be thankful once I have a comfortable life.

  • lao

    timmy, was the subject line of the e-mail “time to kill the wealthy”?

  • Bob Roberts

    Tim from TK says: October 16, 2011 at 5:58 pm

    Tim, I think lao’s problem there, due to his once again obvious one-dimensional thinking, is he doesn’t understand that a corporate CEO can be “Joe Sixpack” too. There are all sorts of corporations. Not all of them are run by rich idiots who donate millions and billions to Obama and other democrats. Some of them are average “Joe Sixpack” type people.

    And then some of them are the guy in this thread:

    http://moonbattery.com/?p=3342

    Edward T. Hall III, class warrior calling for the death of corporate CEOs by day, wannabe corporate CEO by night.

    I wonder if his fellow OWS protesters know about his “secret identity”? What will they do to him when they find out?

    Eat him?

    Or just demand “their share” of his “TRUST FUND”!

    Hey, speaking of which, I want MY SHARE of it. I’m entitled!

  • Tim from TK

    “lao says: October 16, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    bobby, I love how you are unconscious of your own contradictions.”

    Unless you are the second coming of von Ribbentrop, given that you support OWS, which in turn is supported by both the Commies and Nazis, that was another great demonstration of your utter lack of introspection.

  • TrickleUpPolitics

    I am happy to see that the police in the other cities where this Occupy nonsense is starting are enforcing the law by impounding the tents and arresting the hippie scum as soon as their permit expires or park closes. I would say these cities learned by watching Boomberg give up the pretense of law enforcement that the “protesters” will turn into a mob and that violence is imminent. There have been small outbreaks in NY already, and the group is only waiting for the match. Go ahead, Obama, embrace them. Dems, embrace them. When heartland Americans watch the Occupy Portland scum singing F**K America, we will remember come Nov 2012 who loves America and wishes her well.

  • Bob Roberts

    Secret Squirrel says: October 16, 2011 at 6:07 pm

    Good for you that you accept that where you are is not due to the rich keeping you down and that the solution is not for you to take what isn’t yours, but to double down and get yourself where you want to be.

    Make a plan, because those who fail to plan actually plan to fail.

    It seems like you’re doing that.

    The answer to poverty is not to make everyone equally poor.

    People like lao don’t understand that.

    The answer to problems in other countries is not to import the problems here by opening the borders.

    People like lao don’t understand that.

  • Bob Roberts

    SS, when I said, “It seems you’re doing that”, I meant that you are making a plan, not planning to fail.

    I know YOU will get that but lao probably won’t.

  • Bob Roberts

    lao says: October 16, 2011 at 6:08 pm
    timmy, was the subject line of the e-mail “time to kill the wealthy”?
    ———–
    Yes, and it is a perfect match for the “eat the rich” signs you see at EVERY OWS GATHERING.

    SO, once again, you CLAIM that you renounce groups that have violent messages.

    So do you renounce OWS?

    Or not?

    Or are you just going to run away from this and the other question you were asked here:

    The works of Marx and Lenin are inherently violent. Do you denounce them?

    ———–

    Well lao, DO YOU?

  • Bob Roberts

    http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/14/opposite-sides-of-the-protest-come-together-briefly/

    lao, meet JOE SIXPACK:

    Perhaps his main message to Mr. Hall was that many Wall Street finance workers were not “fat cats,” but rather hard-working people who had simply “done well for themselves” without becoming exorbitantly rich.

    “They’re guys like me, who work hard every day,” he said. “Every nickel I make, I work hard for.”

    When Mr. Hall questioned why top executives made such big bonuses, Mr. Vivona countered with a sports analogy: of course Wayne Gretzky is going to earn much more than a much lesser hockey player.

    When Mr. Hall mentioned capping high salaries, Mr. Vivona responded, “But isn’t that a brand of socialism in a way?”
    —–
    OK well his first name isn’t Joe, but you get the point.

    He is one of the people OWS are protesting against and, if this turns ugly, will be one that they kill and eat, if they really mean what they say.

    Of course that’s the other big lie about this movement. They crave attention. They crave free stuff. They crave being pampered without having to pay for it.

    But when push comes to shove and it’s time to get to work, they run away.

    Kind of like lao is running from the questions we asked him:

    1) You CLAIM that you renounce groups that have violent messages. So do you renounce OWS?

    2) The works of Marx and Lenin are inherently violent. Do you denounce them?

  • lao

    bobby seems to believe that OWS advocates cannibalism.

    bobby seems to believe a lot of nonsense.

  • Bob Roberts

    A MOVEMENT FULL OF NARCISSISTS!

    At some point, I asked security, “What will happen if I just go past you.” Their response: “You will reap the consequences.”

    Here’s the key line:

    Really, I wasn’t thinking about other people.

    Keep in mind, not only was he doing this in NEW YORK very close to GROUND ZERO, he KNEW IT AND HE KNEW HOW MUCH MORE SIGNIFICANT IT WAS TO DO THAT THERE, yet he still did it!

    I realize that especially in New York, I was trespassing on social norms, but I was just thinking about spending more time with this girl. Eventually, I decided to return to the United ticket kiosk to see what they could do for me. In my eyes, I was a customer and they should be able to help me.

    Now tell me if this isn’t compelling evidence of his narcissism:

    United. UniTED. There’s so much Ted in my life!
    ———-

    He even sees himself in the names of the corporations he hates and interprets that as some sort of requirement they treat him different than everyone else.

    Here’s a guy who is so in love with himself he really can’t see reality any more.

    http://www.theawl.com/2011/02/an-qa-with-ted-hall-the-jfk-baggage-carousel-jumper

  • Bob Roberts

    lao says: October 16, 2011 at 6:30 pm
    bobby seems to believe that OWS advocates cannibalism.

    bobby seems to believe a lot of nonsense.

    ——————-

    lao is in denial of reality yet again, or maybe he confused this with a Tea Party rally? (even though it’s source is “ENDOF CAPITALISM”):

    Source

    He must want to be rich himself. After all, you are what you eat!

    Then there’s this

    Brad Blanton of Luray, Va. advocated cannibalism and wore an expletive-laden T-shirt. Madeleine Morgenstern/The Blaze
    “They‘re devouring us and now it’s time we start devouring them back,” Blanton said. “I’m advocating cannibalism.”

    But actual cannibalism? Apparently so.

    “We ought to cut ‘em up and have a little ritual where we call it communion,” Blanton said. “We’re all cannibals, all human beings are cannibals. What we need to do is start eating from the top instead of the bottom.”

    And again, just so there was no mistake:

    “First we ought to kill them and eat them. I think cannibalism is the answer. Second to that, just regulate the hell out of them, that’d be okay,” Blanton said.

  • Bob Roberts

    A point that Brad Blanton, OWS sympathizer from Luray, VA made, needs to be underlined.

    He stated:

    “Second to that, just regulate the hell out of them, that’d be okay,” Blanton said.

    So he admits that regulation WOULD do the trick, but nevertheless, he says:

    “First we ought to kill them and eat them. I think cannibalism is the answer.”

    He knows (or so he says) that regulation is a viable option yet he STILL says that the rich should be killed and eaten ritualistically and he tries to equate it to religion and specifically to Catholics and others who recognize “communion”.

    And lao will still argue his lost points.

    But we all know he’s really just running from these questions:

    1) You CLAIM that you renounce groups that have violent messages. So do you renounce OWS?

    2) The works of Marx and Lenin are inherently violent. Do you denounce them?

  • lao

    Well bobby, when Blanton puts his knife and fork to work, be sure to let me know.

  • Bob Roberts

    I notice you’re still running from these questions, lao:

    1) You CLAIM that you renounce groups that have violent messages. So do you renounce OWS?

    2) The works of Marx and Lenin are inherently violent. Do you denounce them?

    AT LAST SOME SENSE – OCCUPY PRISON – the appropriate end to the movement.

    It’s time to start looking at arranging for their leader to join them.

  • Bob Roberts

    I also notice you finally realized you were wrong to admit that the OWS movement doesn’t even know what they’re advocating. Even though it’s true…

  • Bob Roberts

    And the issue was “DOES OWS ADVOCATE CANNIBALISM” not “IS BLANTON ACTUALLY ENGAGING IN IT.

    You advocate abortion, I suspect, but have you had one yet?

    See what I mean?

  • Bob Roberts

    This IS what Democracy looks like.

    Speak out all you want, as long as your speech is reasonable and appropriate as to time and place (i.e. no false calls of “fire” in a crowded building). But…
    Break the law, go to jail. Moonbats can’t really verbalize what it is they’re really fighting for, as lao admitted previously, and they also cannot tell the difference between Democracy and anarchy! Where they ARE NOT being arrested, that’s not Democracy, THAT IS ANARCHY!

  • Bob Roberts

    I’m likely done with this thread, lao. You can either catch me on another or make a pathetic attempt to post again then claim victory when I don’t respond.

    I’m expecting the latter.

    Or you can just admit you lost and give up and slink away.

    But, if you do post again, remember, you still haven’t answered these questions:

    1) You CLAIM that you renounce groups that have violent messages. So do you renounce OWS?

    2) The works of Marx and Lenin are inherently violent. Do you denounce them?

  • lao

    bobby, you seem to believe that whatever one person says is firm policy for the entire O.W.S. movement. The stupidity of that belief should not require being spelled out for you bobby, but apparently, it’s necessary.

    Similarly, some anonymous threatening e-mails do not equal a campaign of violence from the O.W.S. movement.

    It appears Blanton was aware of a satirical essay written in the mid 1700’s that advocated that the Irish could escape from poverty by selling their children to the rich to be eaten. Apparently understanding that the far right will take absolutely seriously, everything someone on the left says, Blanton made his own modest proposal.

    bobby you not only take his proposal seriously, you actually actually take it to the paranoid far right extreme:

    the issue was “DOES OWS ADVOCATE CANNIBALISM”?

    That’s real easy to answer bobby.

    No.

  • AC

    Tim, I think lao’s problem there, due to his once again obvious one-dimensional thinking, is he doesn’t understand that a corporate CEO can be “Joe Sixpack” too. There are all sorts of corporations. Not all of them are run by rich idiots who donate millions and billions to Obama and other democrats. Some of them are average “Joe Sixpack” type people.

    No, they’re not forgetting about the Joe Sixpack CEO.

    According to the ideology of the Marxist instigators, he’s not a bourgeois capitalist exploiter, he’s a kulak capitalist exploiter.

    According to the ideology of the Marxist instigators, if such a person produces income, then he’s guilty of profiteering, and if he loses money, then he’s guilty of squandering socialist property.

    This rotten ideology once saw the eating of meat as evidence of “crimes” against workers.

  • Bob Roberts

    lao says: October 16, 2011 at 7:53 pm
    ——————
    I knew it.

    No, lao. That is not “what I think” but thanks for telling everyone “what I think”, proving yourself obviously and disastrously wrong, and proving what an idiot you are, all in one fell swoop!

    I think that in several OWS locations I’ve seen several signs, t-shirts and other nonverbal messages that said “EAT THE RICH”. I’ve seen several interviews of people who’ve said “EAT THE RICH”.

    Now I never said that it was an official position of the OWS movement – who’s misrepresenting and making straw men now, lao?

    But the fact is it keeps popping up.

    You and I both know that OWS is a front using a bunch of gullible, easily led idiots to try to ferment a situation which will lead to a power grab. Deny it all you want, call it paranoia, it’s exactly what you and the other moonbats on the left have been calling for and/or dreaming of for some time. Calls to suspend elections. Calls for America to get a dictator like Chavez or Castro. Worship of Che Guevara. Remarks praising Mao. Seriously, if you can’t see what the left is driving us towards, deliberately, you’re blind. Are you blind?

    The fact, lao, is that there is the Soros funded, Obama approved, union backed small group of OWS leaders and a large number of sheeple and lemmings that are cast in the role of cannon fodder. I totally agree with you AND NEVER SAID that the OWS “leadership”, such as it is, advocates cannibalism or violence. However, I note that each time someone at any of their locations openly calls for both THEY DON’T SPEAK UP AND DENOUNCE IT.

    That is at the very least tacit approval. Even you can see that. Remaining silent, not coming out against, when these things are openly advocated at their many locations is a form of silent assent.

    “Similarly, some anonymous threatening e-mails do not equal a campaign of violence from the O.W.S. movement.”

    I never said it did, but YOU DID! My point in mentioning the e-mails was to point out that it was yet another person who was expressing the same views commonly expressed by the OWS rank and file. I didn’t claim the leadership was involved, though neither of us can rule it out, either.

    I also note that there are more OWS “foot soldiers” who DO openly advocate violence and eating the rich than there are leaders who denounce such tactics – ergo the movement, which claims to be democratic, so surely a majority rules, has by majority vote advocated both positions – eating the rich and turning violent to achieve their means.

    Oh and now you excuse what Blanton said as being a parody, so that makes it OK to openly and repeatedly, strongly recommend the killing and eating of humans.

    You can shrug it off as if he’s kidding. I’ve walked among these lunatics, talked to them. They aren’t joking. They are serious. They really do intend, if they don’t get what they want, to turn to violence to achieve their ends. One guy was telling me how to get a police officer’s gun from him if I could only get close enough. He was openly advocating grabbing the guns from police officers. Now you know that anyone who tries that will be shot and likely killed for their trouble, right?

    So you didn’t answer EITHER of the questions – no surprise there.

    The OWS does advocate cannibalism. They’ve done it over and over. Not the leadership, no. The rank and file. They’re dedicated to the proposition, in fact – several of them. Mentally ill? Yes. Drug addled? Probably. A danger to themselves and others. Unquestionably.

    And you still back them.

    Not surprising.

  • Bob Roberts

    AC says: October 16, 2011 at 8:00 pm

    Agreed.

  • Ghost of FA Hayak

    Bob,
    Not to mention an arrest tally in the thousands.
    Lao
    So if one politician calls for the suspension of elections, followed by the support of two more causes you to take note, how many OWS protesters calling for violence would it take to get that same reaction ?

  • Belfast

    i really couldn’t give a shit what Lao says. He just throws up stuff to tie up talk. nitpick divert nitpick divert i said no i didnt you said no you didnt my exact words were.
    You can always tell the post must be good when he shows up to try to draw its teeth.

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  • Hail The Amberlamps!

    General Curtis LeMay planned and executed the fire-bombing of Japan, shortening the war. When Kennedy asked for his response to the Cuban Missile Crisis, it was to “burn it.” It came microscopically close to that solution.

    I voted for Reagan in 1984. It was the last conservative any of us have had to vote for since. His “we win, they lose” policy against the Soviet Union and the resulting Star Wars and nuclear brinksmanship lead to the Evil Empire’s collapse, the stealth superiority our military enjoys today and even medical advances in the use of lasers and photo-activated dyes. He was a great leader as was LeMay.

    Where would we be today if a LeMay had been able to handle Iran in 1979? A Reagan in 2008?

    Any dipshit mayonnaise-licking Canadian opining on the inapplicability of those two giants of American history, would do well to kneel and give thanks to God Almighty for the blessings to his beautiful, yet moonbat-infested limpdick-military country enjoyed as a result of his southern neighbor and its two great leaders.

  • lao

    bobby, “debate” with you is an exercise in the surreal.

    @9:55 you say: I also note that there are more OWS “foot soldiers” who DO openly advocate violence and eating the rich than there are leaders who denounce such tactics – ergo the movement, which claims to be democratic, so surely a majority rules, has by majority vote advocated both positions – eating the rich and turning violent to achieve their means.

    No O.W.S “majority vote” advocating violence and cannibalism has been taken, but you deem it has to justify your claims. Very amusing.

    So to recap, the opinions expressed on signs and in interviews, unless immediately denounced, represent “tacit approval” and a “majority vote” by the entire O.W.S. movement.

    Leading to your conclusion: The OWS does advocate cannibalism.

    I look forward to some video proof, documenting when the knives and forks of the O.W.S. rank and file are put to actual cannibalistic use.

  • Bob Roberts

    lao says: October 17, 2011 at 8:30 am

    If you were capable of having an honest, logical debate, lao, I’d consider it.

    You aren’t.

    As I’ve told you, you don’t have to get an abortion to prove you advocate it.

    You don’t have to be in a gay union to prove you advocate gay unions.

    And you don’t have to smoke marijuana to advocate the availability of medical marijuana for those who need it.

    Your insistence that I present video of someone actually murdering and eating someone as your standard of proof is ridiculous.

    Who’s going to videotape that and make it publicly available?

    They repeatedly, openly and sincerely call for eating the rich. When asked if that is what they support they say YES, THAT IS WHAT I MEAN, KILLING AND EATING THE RICH.

    Now YOU are the one who is saying that this represents a “majority vote”. I didn’t say that, YOU DID. It does, however, represent “tacit approval” when the leadership of the group sees a position taken by a number of it’s members and doesn’t come out against it.

  • Bob Roberts

    So you are STILL running away from the two questions with this nonsense about EAT THE RICH. The questions you STILL have not answered are:

    1) You CLAIM that you renounce groups that have violent messages. The OWS routinely includes calls for violence in their messages (even if their leadership doesn’t openly advocate such calls, but also DOES NOT COME OUT FIRMLY AGAINST THEM EITHER). So do you renounce OWS?

    2) The works of Marx and Lenin are inherently violent. Do you denounce them?

  • bruce

    wow, you guys are real nervous about changing the country and promoting equality and a government not run by corporations. based on what i read here, i doubt any of you make more than $25,000.00 so why defend Wall Street when it would never defend you? come join us, you’ll like it.

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