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Jan 29 2015

Owner of Muslim-Free Gun Range Jan Morgan Holds Firm Against CAIR, ACLU

A little follow-up on Jan Morgan, the heroic countermoonbat who for exceedingly sensible reasons (see here and here) has banned Muslims from her business The Gun Cave:

In the five months since Hot Springs, Arkansas, gun range owner Jan Morgan banned Muslims from her facilities, she has seen business quadruple. She has also faced threats and the prospect of lawsuits, which so far, have not materialized.

Both the ACLU and the Hamas front group that serves as its Islamic equivalent, CAIR, have attempted to sic Eric Holder’s Injustice Department on Jan Morgan, but she is standing firm.

There is no doubt which side the federal government will take. But there is also no doubt that in anything even vaguely resembling a free country, you cannot be compelled on your own property to put guns into the hands of people you don’t trust.

It’s surprising the Feds haven’t come down on her yet. Maybe they know they will be picking up a live wire.

Stay tuned for updates, and in the meantime, if you live anywhere near Hot Springs, give Jan your business.

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On tips from Varla, Val, and Rob E.



  • JeffersonSpinningInGrave

    Private business. Her roof, her rules. Or at least that’s how it should be in anything approaching a free society. That’s where the ACLU has always crossed the line. They are authoritarians disguised as champions of freedom. They don’t fight for freedom, they fight for special privileges for favored groups to be enforced through rule of law.

  • Son_of_Taz

    Jan is the best. I want to have her baby.

    Uh, that didn’t come out right…..

  • JeffersonSpinningInGrave

    Private business. Her roof, her rules. Or at least that’s how it should be in anything approaching a free society. That’s where the ACLU has always crossed the line. Often, they fight for special privileges for favored groups to be enforced through rule of law.

    Now, to be fair, they also tend to oppose government overreach against amendments 1 and 3-10 pretty consistently.

    As to CAIR, the American taqiyya arm of the Muslim Brotherhood, f@#k them.

    As to this, “There is no doubt which side the federal government will take.” That must be a tough one for them. On the one hand, they don’t want anyone going into a gun shop or range. But at the same time, they don’t want anyone exercising freedom of association. I bet they just sit this out.

  • Eddie_Valiant

    Jan is the best. I want to have her baby.

    Uh, that didn’t come out right…..

  • SNuss

    I wish that I lived close enough to patronize her facility.
    If CAIR, and others of their ilk, would spend as much (or more) time publically denouncing the Islamofascists, as they do trying to harass the rest of us who recognize the threat posed by radical Muslims, we might be able to have a reasoned dialog about issues.

  • SNuss

    I wish that I lived close enough to patronize her facility.
    If CAIR, and others of their ilk, would spend as much (or more) time publically denouncing the Islamofascists, as they do trying to harass the rest of us who recognize the threat posed by radical Muslims, we might be able to have a reasoned dialog about issues.

  • Gene

    While there are restrictions on bans like this, I don’t think Muslims will welcome a lawsuit. The defense will consist of telling the truth about Islam showing that a banning Muslims at a gun range is the only sensible thing to do.

  • Gene

    While there are restrictions on bans like this, I don’t think Muslims will welcome a lawsuit. The defense will consist of telling the truth about Islam showing that a banning Muslims at a gun range is the only sensible thing to do.

  • Pegon Zellschmidt

    I don’t know if I’d want to go through a costly lawsuit with the government behind it. It’s just as easy to have a little portable grill and start frying up some aromatic strips of bacon. A little bacon grease on the fingers is good when giving change, too.

  • Pegon Zellschmidt

    I don’t know if I’d want to go through a costly lawsuit with the government behind it. It’s just as easy to have a little portable grill and start frying up some aromatic strips of bacon. A little bacon grease on the fingers is good when giving change, too.

  • JeffersonSpinningInGrave

    ” A little bacon grease on the fingers is good when giving change, too.”

    Oh, that’s good. Very good.

  • JeffersonSpinningInGrave

    ” A little bacon grease on the fingers is good when giving change, too.”

    Oh, that’s good. Very good.

  • slibbins

    In an effort to be fair, Morgan is starting a range for the testing of explosive vests, which will welcome Muslims. Of course, they’ll only wind up attending once.

  • Speed Gibson

    In an effort to be fair, Morgan is starting a range for the testing of explosive vests, which will welcome Muslims. Of course, they’ll only wind up attending once.

  • TED

    GO JAN!! The left is giving them our country WE don’t need to give them our guns.

  • TED

    GO JAN!! The left is giving them our country WE don’t need to give them our guns.

  • TED

    PORK treats EVERYWHERE!

  • TED

    PORK treats EVERYWHERE!

  • TED

    WONDER IF SHE HAS A WEB SITE, I’ll try to find it if she does, there’s more than one way to aid her business.

  • TED

    WONDER IF SHE HAS A WEB SITE, I’ll try to find it if she does, there’s more than one way to aid her business.

  • TED
  • TED
  • irandom419

    I actually disagree with her on such a blanket ban. Unlike Christianity where you know a church is nuts, both nutters and moderates can attend the same mosque. That is why there is a lot of talk of radicalization, at least in the UK, and what to do about it. Islam really needs to speak out against perverting their religion for violence instead of excommunicating them.

  • irandom419

    I actually disagree with her on such a blanket ban. Unlike Christianity where you know a church is nuts, both nutters and moderates can attend the same mosque. That is why there is a lot of talk of radicalization, at least in the UK, and what to do about it. Islam really needs to speak out against perverting their religion for violence instead of excommunicating them.

  • irandom419

    What would be more interesting, is requiring everyone to sign a pledge to not harm the innocent and see who refuses.

  • irandom419

    What would be more interesting, is requiring everyone to sign a pledge to not harm the innocent and see who refuses.

  • KHarn

    Yeah, and when someone is arrested for a crime, they can just sign a paper stating that they are INNOCENT!

    “YAAFM”. (Look it up)

  • KHarn

    Yeah, and when someone is arrested for a crime, they can just sign a paper stating that they are INNOCENT!

    “YAAFM”. (Look it up)

  • Jester

    Brains, beauty, firearms…..The only thing Jan’s missing is…. bacon!! 🙂

  • Jester

    Brains, beauty, firearms…..The only thing Jan’s missing is…. bacon!! 🙂

  • Jester

    Did you not read her actual reasons why? They’re *very* specific — the furthest thing from a “blanket”. Uncle Jester is here to help:

    The primary reasons I do not want muslims shooting at my range are listed:

    1) The Koran (which I have read and studied thoroughly) and (which all muslims align themselves with), contains 109 verses commanding hate, murder and terror against all human beings who refuse to submit or convert to Islam. Read those verses of violence here.

    2) My life has been threatened repeatedly by muslims in response to my publication of those verses from their Koran. Why would I want to rent or sell a gun and hand ammunition to someone who aligns himself with a religion that commands him to kill me?

    3) * The barbaric act of beheading an innocent American in Oklahoma by a muslim
    * the Boston bombings (by muslims)
    * the Foot Hood mass shooting (by a muslim) that killed 13 people and injured over 30 people
    * and the murder of 3000 innocent people (by muslims) on 9/11
    This is more than enough loss of life on my home soil at the hands of muslims to substantiate my position that muslims can and may follow the directives in their Koran and kill here at home.

    4) Two muslims walked in to my range last week with allah akbar ring tone and message alert tones on their smart phones. They spoke very little english, one did not have proof of U.S. citizenship, yet they wanted to rent and shoot guns.
    Their behavior was so strange, it was unnerving to my patrons. No one would enter the range to shoot while they were there. Some of my customers left.
    (can you blame them?)

    5) * Muslims, who belong to and, or, support ISIS, are threatening to kill innocent Americans.
    * Muslims, who belong to or support AL Qaeda, are threatening to kill innocent Americans.
    * Muslims who belong to or support HAMAS are threatening to kill innocent Americans.
    See a common thread here?

    6) I have a federal firearms license… The ATF informed us when we received the license that if we feel any reason for concern about selling someone a firearm, even sense that something is not right about an individual, or if we are concerned about that persons mental state, even if they pass a background check, we do not have to sell that person a gun.
    In other words, a federal agency has given us this kind of discretion for service based on the nature of the business. I can and have turned people away if I sense an issue with their mental state.

    7) I understand that not all muslims are terrorists. […] Since I have no way of discerning which muslims will or will not kill in the name of their religion and the commands in their koran…I choose to err on the side of caution for the safety of my patrons. […]

    In summary, people who shoot at my range come from all religious backgrounds… some are atheists… I do not care about their religious beliefs until or unless those beliefs command them to commit violent crimes against innocent people and I witness those crimes increasing, as we all have lately.

    If you had received death threats by muslims, would you want the government telling you that you had to allow them in to your home or business and hand them a loaded gun?

    I will do whatever is necessary to provide a safe environment for my customers, even at the cost of the increased threats and legal problems this decision will likely provoke.

    Jan Morgan- owner / The Gun Cave Indoor Shooting Range

  • Jester

    Did you not read her actual reasons why? They’re *very* specific — the furthest thing from a “blanket”. Uncle Jester is here to help:

    The primary reasons I do not want muslims shooting at my range are listed:

    1) The Koran (which I have read and studied thoroughly) and (which all muslims align themselves with), contains 109 verses commanding hate, murder and terror against all human beings who refuse to submit or convert to Islam. Read those verses of violence here.

    2) My life has been threatened repeatedly by muslims in response to my publication of those verses from their Koran. Why would I want to rent or sell a gun and hand ammunition to someone who aligns himself with a religion that commands him to kill me?

    3) * The barbaric act of beheading an innocent American in Oklahoma by a muslim
    * the Boston bombings (by muslims)
    * the Foot Hood mass shooting (by a muslim) that killed 13 people and injured over 30 people
    * and the murder of 3000 innocent people (by muslims) on 9/11
    This is more than enough loss of life on my home soil at the hands of muslims to substantiate my position that muslims can and may follow the directives in their Koran and kill here at home.

    4) Two muslims walked in to my range last week with allah akbar ring tone and message alert tones on their smart phones. They spoke very little english, one did not have proof of U.S. citizenship, yet they wanted to rent and shoot guns.
    Their behavior was so strange, it was unnerving to my patrons. No one would enter the range to shoot while they were there. Some of my customers left.
    (can you blame them?)

    5) * Muslims, who belong to and, or, support ISIS, are threatening to kill innocent Americans.
    * Muslims, who belong to or support AL Qaeda, are threatening to kill innocent Americans.
    * Muslims who belong to or support HAMAS are threatening to kill innocent Americans.
    See a common thread here?

    6) I have a federal firearms license… The ATF informed us when we received the license that if we feel any reason for concern about selling someone a firearm, even sense that something is not right about an individual, or if we are concerned about that persons mental state, even if they pass a background check, we do not have to sell that person a gun.
    In other words, a federal agency has given us this kind of discretion for service based on the nature of the business. I can and have turned people away if I sense an issue with their mental state.

    7) I understand that not all muslims are terrorists. […] Since I have no way of discerning which muslims will or will not kill in the name of their religion and the commands in their koran…I choose to err on the side of caution for the safety of my patrons. […]

    In summary, people who shoot at my range come from all religious backgrounds… some are atheists… I do not care about their religious beliefs until or unless those beliefs command them to commit violent crimes against innocent people and I witness those crimes increasing, as we all have lately.

    If you had received death threats by muslims, would you want the government telling you that you had to allow them in to your home or business and hand them a loaded gun?

    I will do whatever is necessary to provide a safe environment for my customers, even at the cost of the increased threats and legal problems this decision will likely provoke.

    Jan Morgan- owner / The Gun Cave Indoor Shooting Range

  • slibbins

    To be fair, Jan should set up another range exclusively for practicing using suicide vests. Islamists would be given lifetime memberships which would only be used once and couldn’t be left to the Islamist’s estate.

  • Speed Gibson

    To be fair, Jan should set up another range exclusively for practicing using suicide vests. Islamists would be given lifetime memberships which would only be used once and couldn’t be left to the Islamist’s estate.

  • Smith and Wesson and Me

    They’d have to hire Mike Rowe for cleanup.

  • Smith and Wesson and Me

    They’d have to hire Mike Rowe for cleanup.

  • Smith and Wesson and Me

    ^^More comments than votes. TROLL.

  • Smith and Wesson and Me

    ^^More comments than votes. TROLL.

  • Smith and Wesson and Me

    LOL!

  • Smith and Wesson and Me

    LOL!

  • Feather Blade

    Now why would you want to inflict that job on a stand-up guy like Rowe?

  • Feather Blade

    Now why would you want to inflict that job on a stand-up guy like Rowe?

  • Mr. Freemarket

    In this case, once will be enough.

  • Mr. Freemarket

    In this case, once will be enough.

  • Mr. Freemarket

    Muslims have been rather unhelpful in distinguishing the radicals from the peaceful followers of Islam. There are (apparently) radical mosques and not so radical mosques. Why no effort by the Muslim community at large to identify who is who?

    BTW, those who are beheading folks in Syria and Iraq think that those who are not beheading others are the ones perverting their religion.

  • Mr. Freemarket

    Muslims have been rather unhelpful in distinguishing the radicals from the peaceful followers of Islam. There are (apparently) radical mosques and not so radical mosques. Why no effort by the Muslim community at large to identify who is who?

    BTW, those who are beheading folks in Syria and Iraq think that those who are not beheading others are the ones perverting their religion.

  • Mr. Freemarket

    Why hasn’t anyone argued that the shooting range is a “public accommodation” and thus must be open to all, regardless of religion?

    That the usual tack.

  • Mr. Freemarket

    Why hasn’t anyone argued that the shooting range is a “public accommodation” and thus must be open to all, regardless of religion?

    That the usual tack.

  • grayjohn

    Dream on.

  • grayjohn

    Dream on.

  • grayjohn

    I’d give each shooting station it’s own pig mascot.

  • grayjohn

    I’d give each shooting station it’s own pig mascot.

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