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Nov 10 2015

Open Thread

Morning Sickness

Compliments of Stormfax.



  • Agrippa

    Got that right, girl! But be careful where you display those earrings — could get you gang-raped in Sweden, or anywhere in the ME, despite the curlers! Not to mention some (rapidly expanding) locations in the USA. At a minimum, that’ll get you some Libtard asshole spitting on you and your professed beliefs (can’t have that Christian thing nowadays, don’cha know?).

  • Agrippa

    Got that right, girl! But be careful where you display those earrings — could get you gang-raped in Sweden, or anywhere in the ME, despite the curlers! Not to mention some (rapidly expanding) locations in the USA. At a minimum, that’ll get you some Libtard asshole spitting on you and your professed beliefs (can’t have that Christian thing nowadays, don’cha know?).

  • ScrewyPuppy

    Before anyone starts screaming about rich Republicans in the MSM and election debates, here’s the 2016 Prez fund raising so far. Talk about fund-raising inequality!

    http://screwypuppy.blogspot.com/2015/11/2016-election-money-so-far-fundraising.html

  • ScrewyPuppy

    Before anyone starts screaming about rich Republicans in the MSM and election debates, here’s the 2016 Prez fund raising so far. Talk about fund-raising inequality!

    http://screwypuppy.blogspot.com/2015/11/2016-election-money-so-far-fundraising.html

  • Mike_W20

    I’ve been feeling that way for seven years; and I’m not even an American.

  • Mike_W20

    I’ve been feeling that way for seven years; and I’m not even an American.

  • ScrewyPuppy

    Canada is erasing its heritage.

    https://youtu.be/EcLL8AZOcyw

  • ScrewyPuppy

    Canada is erasing its heritage.

    https://youtu.be/EcLL8AZOcyw

  • Mike_W20

    Let’s not mention the smoking: befouling the precious air the leftists breathe and adding to Globule Worming.

  • Mike_W20

    Let’s not mention the smoking: befouling the precious air the leftists breathe and adding to Globule Worming.

  • 762×51

    The little commie fucktard responsible for the Mizzou mess isn’t a our black victim add posted. He is the son of a railroad executive and a member of a family with a net worth of $20M.

    http://m.stltoday.com/lifestyles/columns/joe-holleman/mizzou-hunger-strike-figure-from-omaha-son-of-top-railroad/article_20630c03-2a68-5e63-9585-edde16fe05f3.html?mobile_touch=true

    Big shock.

  • 762×51

    The little commie fucktard responsible for the Mizzou mess isn’t a our black victim add posted. He is the son of a railroad executive and a member of a family with a net worth of $20M.

    http://m.stltoday.com/lifestyles/columns/joe-holleman/mizzou-hunger-strike-figure-from-omaha-son-of-top-railroad/article_20630c03-2a68-5e63-9585-edde16fe05f3.html?mobile_touch=true

    Big shock.

  • ScrewyPuppy

    The State of the Universities

    https://youtu.be/pZI2y8Ddi2U

  • ScrewyPuppy

    The State of the Universities

    https://youtu.be/pZI2y8Ddi2U

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  • Bad_Mr_Frosty

    The truth about the “refugee crisis”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44vzMNG2fZc

  • Bad_Mr_Frosty

    The truth about the “refugee crisis”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44vzMNG2fZc

  • Feet2Fire

    Hope moonbattery readers will take the time to watch the video linked below, by Bad Mr Frosty. It’s worth the 19 minutes it takes to view it, and it will really infuriate most to see the horrific MIGRANT debacle occurring in Europe–and very likely to arrive on our own shores before long.

    Please bookmark and share the link with as many as you can, before the video is removed! (Not politically correct, but so very TRUE and ALARMING.) Thanks.

  • Feet2Fire

    Hope moonbattery readers will take the time to watch the video linked below, by Bad Mr Frosty. It’s worth the 19 minutes it takes to view it, and it will really infuriate most to see the horrific MIGRANT debacle occurring in Europe–and very likely to arrive on our own shores before long.

    Please bookmark and share the link with as many as you can, before the video is removed! (Not politically correct, but so very TRUE and ALARMING.) Thanks.

  • Feet2Fire

    Thanks for posting the link. Was about to post it when I saw your post. 🙂
    We need Americans everywhere to see this video and wake up, before our own land/society/culture/heritage is also wiped out, by these so-called “refugees”!

  • Feet2Fire

    Thanks for posting the link. Was about to post it when I saw your post. 🙂
    We need Americans everywhere to see this video and wake up, before our own land/society/culture/heritage is also wiped out, by these so-called “refugees”!

  • Mike_W20

    I’ve heard that the gist of this particular compilation is that it is all the fault of the eeeeevil Joooooos.
    Ha.
    YouTube: a conspiracy theory for every taste.

  • Mike_W20

    I’ve heard that the gist of this particular compilation is that it is all the fault of the eeeeevil Joooooos.
    Ha.
    YouTube: a conspiracy theory for every taste.

  • Feet2Fire

    You know, at this point, we don’t care WHO is being “blamed”; what we care about is the horrendous DISASTER that is being unleashed on Europe and soon to arrive in USA. We all need to get educated, and if somebody wants to blame somebody in the process, there is probably a LOT OF BLAME to go around. It just means we have to educate ourselves and try to sort the wheat from the chaff.

  • Feet2Fire

    You know, at this point, we don’t care WHO is being “blamed”; what we care about is the horrendous DISASTER that is being unleashed on Europe and soon to arrive in USA. We all need to get educated, and if somebody wants to blame somebody in the process, there is probably a LOT OF BLAME to go around. It just means we have to educate ourselves and try to sort the wheat from the chaff.

  • Apostle53

    I need to always remind myself that Our Sovereign God is on His throne; not Obama and the Anti-Christs.

  • Apostle53

    I need to always remind myself that Our Sovereign God is on His throne; not Obama and the Anti-Christs.

  • DJ

    ‘The Great Replacement’ – more accurately termed ‘The Planned Genocide of the White Race’ is unfolding before our eyes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44vzMNG2fZc#t=86

  • DJ

    ‘The Great Replacement’ – more accurately termed ‘The Planned Genocide of the White Race’ is unfolding before our eyes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44vzMNG2fZc#t=86

  • DJ

    oops. I see Bad_Mr_Frosty already posted the vid.

  • DJ

    oops. I see Bad_Mr_Frosty already posted the vid.

  • DJ

    Conspiracy? Sure. Jews are completely blameless in all this … even though they boast about playing the leading role. Got it.
    .
    At any rate it is noteworthy that 99.999948576% of organized Jewish groups work to support and promote open-borders policies for ALL Western nations (read white nations) and ONLY Western nations. But then again, only Nazis and conspiracy kooks would notice facts such as that, right?
    .
    BTW, no serious person (at least I never would) claims Jews are the sole cause of White Genocide.
    .
    The following piece was written by a very conservative Jew.
    .
    Jews are the archetypal multiculturalists.
    .

  • DJ

    Conspiracy? Sure. Jews are completely blameless in all this … even though they boast about playing the leading role. Got it.
    .
    At any rate it is noteworthy that 99.999948576% of organized Jewish groups work to support and promote open-borders policies for ALL Western nations (read white nations) and ONLY Western nations. But then again, only Nazis and conspiracy kooks would notice facts such as that, right?
    .
    BTW, no serious person (at least I never would) claims Jews are the sole cause of White Genocide.
    .
    The following piece was written by a very conservative Jew.
    .
    Jews are the archetypal multiculturalists.
    .

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  • TED

    AMEN!!!!

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    AMEN!!!!

  • TED

    Ditto…

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    Ditto…

  • Mike_W20

    He’s giving the bastards all the time and rope they need to hang themselves.
    Free will and all that.

  • Mike_W20

    He’s giving the bastards all the time and rope they need to hang themselves.
    Free will and all that.

  • TED

    http://i.imgur.com/M0BCTfi.jpg
    THEY should have stuck to their “ICE AGE” BS!

  • TED

    http://i.imgur.com/M0BCTfi.jpg
    THEY should have stuck to their “ICE AGE” BS!

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    The REAL pollution! http://i.imgur.com/P1CGLLK.jpg

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    The REAL pollution! http://i.imgur.com/P1CGLLK.jpg

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    Have you heard this one…? http://i.imgur.com/2zzpgAQ.jpg

  • TED

    Have you heard this one…? http://i.imgur.com/2zzpgAQ.jpg

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  • TED

    The LEFT are up to changing the wording AGAIN…

    http://media.cagle.com/152/2015/11/03/171042_600.jpg

  • TED

    The LEFT are up to changing the wording AGAIN…

    http://media.cagle.com/152/2015/11/03/171042_600.jpg

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  • TED

    HERE IS SOME BLM THAT REALLY MATTER!

    http://i.imgur.com/XFWxqzZ.jpg

  • TED

    HERE IS SOME BLM THAT REALLY MATTER!

    http://i.imgur.com/XFWxqzZ.jpg

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  • ScrewyPuppy

    After ten years and spending one billion dollars the government was able to get one, yes one, immigration form online.

    The good news is there are only 94 forms to go! Supposedly it will only
    take about two billion dollars and four more years to get those done.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/a-decade-into-a-project-to-digitize-us-immigration-forms-just-1-is-online/2015/11/08/f63360fc-830e-11e5-a7ca-6ab6ec20f839_story.html

  • ScrewyPuppy

    After ten years and spending one billion dollars the government was able to get one, yes one, immigration form online.

    The good news is there are only 94 forms to go! Supposedly it will only
    take about two billion dollars and four more years to get those done.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/a-decade-into-a-project-to-digitize-us-immigration-forms-just-1-is-online/2015/11/08/f63360fc-830e-11e5-a7ca-6ab6ec20f839_story.html

  • ScrewyPuppy

    Senator tells men to shut up. It’s supposed to be a joke but it is really unfunny. I think I need to watch some 80’s Andrew Dice Clay after this.

    https://youtu.be/-yzGA_glnkM

  • ScrewyPuppy

    Senator tells men to shut up. It’s supposed to be a joke but it is really unfunny. I think I need to watch some 80’s Andrew Dice Clay after this.

    https://youtu.be/-yzGA_glnkM

  • Benji0804

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  • ScrewyPuppy

    What is the next step to indoctrinate people into sexual perversion? Produce a study saying ther is no such thing as “straight women!”

    I hope this is troll bait.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/11977121/Women-are-either-bisexual-or-gay-but-never-straight.html

  • ScrewyPuppy

    What is the next step to indoctrinate people into sexual perversion? Produce a study saying ther is no such thing as “straight women!”

    I hope this is troll bait.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/11977121/Women-are-either-bisexual-or-gay-but-never-straight.html

  • JeffersonSpinningInGrave

    I hope they don’t hang us all first.

  • JeffersonSpinningInGrave

    I hope they don’t hang us all first.

  • JeffersonSpinningInGrave

    That depends on the next election. I think Hilary and Bernie are perfectly capable of giving Obama a run for his money. God help us.

  • JeffersonSpinningInGrave

    That depends on the next election. I think Hilary and Bernie are perfectly capable of giving Obama a run for his money. God help us.

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  • TED

    Yah, really, the LEFT NEVER get better…

  • TED

    Yah, really, the LEFT NEVER get better…

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  • Torcer

    Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word, equality.
    But notice the difference: while democracy seeks equality in liberty,
    socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude. Alexis de
    Tocqueville

  • Torcer

    I believe that liberty is the only genuinely valuable thing that men
    have invented, at least in the field of government, in a thousand years.
    I believe that it is better to be free than to be not free, even when
    the former is dangerous and the latter safe. I believe that the finest
    qualities of man can flourish only in free air – that progress made
    under the shadow of the policeman’s club is false progress, and of no
    permanent value. I believe that any man who takes the liberty of another
    into his keeping is bound to become a tyrant, and that any man who
    yields up his liberty, in however slight the measure, is bound to become
    a slave. — H.L. Mencken

  • Torcer

    Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word, equality.
    But notice the difference: while democracy seeks equality in liberty,
    socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude. Alexis de
    Tocqueville

  • Torcer

    I believe that liberty is the only genuinely valuable thing that men
    have invented, at least in the field of government, in a thousand years.
    I believe that it is better to be free than to be not free, even when
    the former is dangerous and the latter safe. I believe that the finest
    qualities of man can flourish only in free air – that progress made
    under the shadow of the policeman’s club is false progress, and of no
    permanent value. I believe that any man who takes the liberty of another
    into his keeping is bound to become a tyrant, and that any man who
    yields up his liberty, in however slight the measure, is bound to become
    a slave. — H.L. Mencken

  • Torcer

    “Then you will see the rise of the men of the double standard–the men
    who live by force, yet count on those who live by trade to create the
    value of their looted money–the men who are the hitchhikers of virtue.
    In a moral society, these are the criminals, and the statutes are
    written to protect you against them. But when a society establishes
    criminals-by-right and looters-by-law–men who use force to seize the
    wealth of disarmed victims–then money becomes its creators’ avenger.
    Such looters believe it safe to rob defenseless men, once they’ve passed
    a law to disarm them. Excerpt from Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand

  • Torcer

    “Then you will see the rise of the men of the double standard–the men
    who live by force, yet count on those who live by trade to create the
    value of their looted money–the men who are the hitchhikers of virtue.
    In a moral society, these are the criminals, and the statutes are
    written to protect you against them. But when a society establishes
    criminals-by-right and looters-by-law–men who use force to seize the
    wealth of disarmed victims–then money becomes its creators’ avenger.
    Such looters believe it safe to rob defenseless men, once they’ve passed
    a law to disarm them. Excerpt from Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand

  • Torcer

    “A Statist system — whether of a communist, fascist, Nazi, socialist or
    ‘welfare’ type — is based on the … government’s unlimited power,
    which means: on the rule of brute force. … Under Statism, the
    government is not a policeman, but a legalized criminal that holds the
    power to use physical force in any manner and for any purpose it pleases
    against legally disarmed, defenseless victims.” Ayn Rand

  • Torcer

    “The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it.”
    George Orwell

  • Torcer

    “A Statist system — whether of a communist, fascist, Nazi, socialist or
    ‘welfare’ type — is based on the … government’s unlimited power,
    which means: on the rule of brute force. … Under Statism, the
    government is not a policeman, but a legalized criminal that holds the
    power to use physical force in any manner and for any purpose it pleases
    against legally disarmed, defenseless victims.” Ayn Rand

  • Torcer

    “The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it.”
    George Orwell

  • Torcer

    #BS #Biden
    #Colorado
    #Confiscation #CommonsenseCivilRightofArmedSelfDefense
    #Destruction of Liberty via the TWL scam
    #Flashback
    #GlobalCooling
    #Hillary #Hillary Scandals
    #illegal Invasion
    #insanity
    #Islamic Invasion
    #Loss of Liberty
    #Muslim – Taqiyya
    #national Socialist Left # National Socialist Media
    #Obama #Obamacare
    #ObamasAbuGhraib
    #Socialism=FAILURE
    #Reference
    #RefugeesWelcome
    #Surrender Acquiescing Party
    #Reference
    #Technology
    #Terrorism
    #Venezuela

  • Torcer

    SCRATCH PAD national Socialist agenda Left
    #AnsTheQuestionPlease #StillWaitingForAnAnswer
    #GunSense Boot #MomsDemand from #everytown
    #CommonsenseCivilRightofArmedSelfDefense
    #DemocraticNationalCommunistparty
    #IllegalInvasion #nationalSocialistLeft #NationalSocialistMedia #NoAmnesty
    #SisterPatriots #SOSVzla #teaparty #tcot
    #Venezuela those on the national socialist left
    #GlobalCooling #GunSense≠sense
    Boot #MomsDemand from #everytown ad hominem
    #IntergalacticBackgroundChecks
    Be sure to include plenty EXCERPTS and Links from authentic reference sites.
    Democratic national socialist party
    National Socialist American Workers Party

    National Socialist American Workers Party


    Find the image on the web you wish to post. Right click on the image, scroll down the list and click on “properties.” In the box that opens up, highlight the address next to “Address (URL)”, then press CTRL+c to copy the URL.

  • Torcer

    “When you have made evil the means of survival, do not expect men to remain good. Do not expect them to stay moral and lose their lives for the purpose of becoming the fodder of the immoral. Do not expect them to produce, when production is punished and looting rewarded.”

  • Torcer

    “Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.” George Santayana

  • Torcer

    #BS #Biden
    #Colorado
    #Confiscation #CommonsenseCivilRightofArmedSelfDefense
    #Destruction of Liberty via the TWL scam
    #Flashback
    #GlobalCooling
    #Hillary #Hillary Scandals
    #illegal Invasion
    #insanity
    #Islamic Invasion
    #Loss of Liberty
    #Muslim – Taqiyya
    #national Socialist Left # National Socialist Media
    #Obama #Obamacare
    #ObamasAbuGhraib
    #Socialism=FAILURE
    #Reference
    #RefugeesWelcome
    #Surrender Acquiescing Party
    #Reference
    #Technology
    #Terrorism
    #Venezuela

  • Torcer

    Principles of Communism – How do communists differ from socialists?
    [ Democratic Socialists: ]

    Finally, the third category consists of democratic socialists who favor some of the same measures the communists advocate, as described in Question 18, not as part of the transition to communism, however, but as measures which they believe will be sufficient to abolish the misery and evils of present-day society.

    These democratic socialists are either proletarians who are not yet sufficiently clear about the conditions of the liberation of their class, or they are representatives of the petty bourgeoisie, a class which, prior to the achievement of democracy and the socialist measures to which it gives rise, has many interests in common with the proletariat.

    It follows that, in moments of action, the communists will have to come to an understanding with these democratic socialists, and in general to follow as far as possible a common policy with them – provided that these socialists do not enter into the service of the ruling bourgeoisie and attack the communists.

    It is clear that this form of co-operation in action does not exclude the discussion of differences.
    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/11347493-the-principles-of-communism

  • Torcer

    “When you have made evil the means of survival, do not expect men to remain good. Do not expect them to stay moral and lose their lives for the purpose of becoming the fodder of the immoral. Do not expect them to produce, when production is punished and looting rewarded.”

  • Torcer

    “Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.” George Santayana

  • Torcer

    Never waste a good crisis Hillary Clinton

  • Torcer

    A lie told often enough becomes the truth. Lenin

  • Torcer

    Veritas odium paret. (Truth creates hatred.) – Terence
    ……………………….
    “Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our
    inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the
    state of facts and evidence.”
    John Adams
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    “Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty—power is ever stealing from the many to the few…. The hand entrusted with power becomes … the necessary enemy of the people. Only by continual oversight can the democrat in office be prevented from hardening into a despot: only by unintermitted Agitation can a people be kept sufficiently awake to principle not to let liberty be smothered in material prosperity. – Wendell Phillips, speech in Boston, Massachusetts, January 28, 1852.”
    ……………………………….
    A lie told often enough becomes the truth. Lenin

    A lie told often enough becomes the truth. Lenin
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    Society in every state is a blessing, but government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one; for when we suffer or are exposed to the same miseries by a government, which we might expect in a country without government, our calamity is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer.” – Thomas Paine, Common Sense 1776
    ……………………………….
    “When you have made evil the means of survival, do not expect men to remain good. Do not expect them to stay moral and lose their lives for the purpose of becoming the fodder of the immoral. Do not expect them to produce, when production is punished and looting rewarded.”

    Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand
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    Never waste a good crisis Hillary Clinton
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    “Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.” George Santayana

    “Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.” George Santayana

  • Torcer

    Fair warning

    You should have fair warning that you are going to lose the argument. You may be under the delusion that your childish antics of spewing little insults here and there and disingenuously trying to twist around what I’ve said win the day but it won’t.

    And you may be under the false impression that the longer your response and the more childish and insulting you become that you will somehow bluster me away. Trust me, you will do nothing of the sort.

    I’ve been in similar ‘discussions’ with your erstwhile comrades and with few exceptions I have won the debate in the end. It may take several weeks or even months but in the end I will be victorious and you will realize you have wasted you time and petty insults for naught. So I would recommend you to save your losses and ‘move on’.

    BTW, since you and your comrades on the #nationalSocialistLeft all manage to have very similar tactic and tricks, this and other responses will work for them as well, so I can store them away for safekeeping and unleash them in the future without very little effort on my part.

    Have you finally realized that you childish and petty insults have no effect on me? That are a wasted on effort on you part – if fact they are a good indicator of you intellectual acumen – or lack thereof.

    I always have to laugh when those on the #nationalSocialistLeft realize this and drop off knowing that the quiver is empty.

    The other disadvantage of you delving into the gutter as you and your Comrades have want to do is that once you down in the mud of childish diatribes, you cannot climb back up and assume the mantle of the intellectual. That is partially the reason for copying and storing your childish invective for future use.

  • Torcer
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    A lie told often enough becomes the truth. Lenin

  • Torcer

    Veritas odium paret. (Truth creates hatred.) – Terence
    ……………………….
    “Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our
    inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the
    state of facts and evidence.”
    John Adams
    ……………………..
    “Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty—power is ever stealing from the many to the few…. The hand entrusted with power becomes … the necessary enemy of the people. Only by continual oversight can the democrat in office be prevented from hardening into a despot: only by unintermitted Agitation can a people be kept sufficiently awake to principle not to let liberty be smothered in material prosperity. – Wendell Phillips, speech in Boston, Massachusetts, January 28, 1852.”
    ……………………………….
    A lie told often enough becomes the truth. Lenin

    A lie told often enough becomes the truth. Lenin
    ……………………………….
    Society in every state is a blessing, but government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one; for when we suffer or are exposed to the same miseries by a government, which we might expect in a country without government, our calamity is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer.” – Thomas Paine, Common Sense 1776
    ……………………………….
    “When you have made evil the means of survival, do not expect men to remain good. Do not expect them to stay moral and lose their lives for the purpose of becoming the fodder of the immoral. Do not expect them to produce, when production is punished and looting rewarded.”

    Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand
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    Never waste a good crisis Hillary Clinton
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    “Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.” George Santayana

    “Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.” George Santayana

  • Torcer

    Fair warning

    You should have fair warning that you are going to lose the argument. You may be under the delusion that your childish antics of spewing little insults here and there and disingenuously trying to twist around what I’ve said win the day but it won’t.

    And you may be under the false impression that the longer your response and the more childish and insulting you become that you will somehow bluster me away. Trust me, you will do nothing of the sort.

    I’ve been in similar ‘discussions’ with your erstwhile comrades and with few exceptions I have won the debate in the end. It may take several weeks or even months but in the end I will be victorious and you will realize you have wasted you time and petty insults for naught. So I would recommend you to save your losses and ‘move on’.

    BTW, since you and your comrades on the #nationalSocialistLeft all manage to have very similar tactic and tricks, this and other responses will work for them as well, so I can store them away for safekeeping and unleash them in the future without very little effort on my part.

    Have you finally realized that you childish and petty insults have no effect on me? That are a wasted on effort on you part – if fact they are a good indicator of you intellectual acumen – or lack thereof.

    I always have to laugh when those on the #nationalSocialistLeft realize this and drop off knowing that the quiver is empty.

    The other disadvantage of you delving into the gutter as you and your Comrades have want to do is that once you down in the mud of childish diatribes, you cannot climb back up and assume the mantle of the intellectual. That is partially the reason for copying and storing your childish invective for future use.

  • Torcer

    Why you are going to lose the argument:

    So let’s get down to brass tacks here – the reason why you are going to lose the argument:

    The short and sweet of it is that we are on the ‘Right’ side of history, those on the #nationalSocialistLeft on the WRONG side of history.

    But as a service I will detail the various reason why you are going to lose:

    1. The Facts are on our side.
    This is exemplified by the actuality that we can use excerpts and links for authentic reference sites to bolster our assertions.

    2. Truth is on our side.
    As epitomized by the foregoing and that we have no need of the use of childish tactics that are a feeble attempts by the #nationalSocialistLeft to make up for it’s lack of truth.

    3. Reality is on our side.
    Yes, that similar to the facts but we want to make sure we encompass all the relevant issues in making our case.

    4. Logic is on our side.
    We have no need of feeble strawman or circular logic

    5. We have no need to use childish insults as you and many of your Comrades on the #nationalSocialistLeft often do.

  • Torcer

    Why you are going to lose the argument:

    So let’s get down to brass tacks here – the reason why you are going to lose the argument:

    The short and sweet of it is that we are on the ‘Right’ side of history, those on the #nationalSocialistLeft on the WRONG side of history.

    But as a service I will detail the various reason why you are going to lose:

    1. The Facts are on our side.
    This is exemplified by the actuality that we can use excerpts and links for authentic reference sites to bolster our assertions.

    2. Truth is on our side.
    As epitomized by the foregoing and that we have no need of the use of childish tactics that are a feeble attempts by the #nationalSocialistLeft to make up for it’s lack of truth.

    3. Reality is on our side.
    Yes, that similar to the facts but we want to make sure we encompass all the relevant issues in making our case.

    4. Logic is on our side.
    We have no need of feeble strawman or circular logic

    5. We have no need to use childish insults as you and many of your Comrades on the #nationalSocialistLeft often do.

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    “If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull.” W. C. Fields

    “If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull. W. C. Fields”

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    “If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull.” W. C. Fields

    “If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull. W. C. Fields”

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    “Collectivism doesn’t work because it’s based on a faulty economic
    premise. There is no such thing as a person’s “fair share” of wealth.
    The gross national product is not a pizza that must be carefully divided
    because if I get too many slices, you have to eat the box. The economy
    is expandable and, in any practical sense, limitless.” – P.J. O’Rourke

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    24. Wir fordern die Freiheit aller religiösen Bekenntnisse im Staat, soweit sie nicht dessen Bestand gefährden oder gegen das Sittlichkeits- und Moralgefühl der germanischen Rasse verstoßen. Die Partei als solche vertritt den Standpunkt eines positiven Christentums, ohne sich konfessionell an ein bestimmtes Bekenntnis zu binden. Sie bekämpft den jüdisch-materialistischen Geist in und außer uns und ist überzeugt, daß eine dauernde Genesung unseres Volkes nur erfolgen kann von innen heraus auf der Grundlage: Gemeinnutz vor Eigennutz.

    https://volksberichtshof.wordpress.com/25-punkte-programm-der-nsdap/

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    Now, with regards to your objections to the use of the word ‘national’ next to the word ‘Socialist’ let’s begin with the FACT that it’s a FREE country and that I don’t care about your carping on the issue.

    The fact is a candidate or leader for national office can logically be said to be ‘national’ ________

    One merely has to read the definition of the word to realize this is the case:

    Definition of national
    adjective
    1 Relating to or characteristic of a nation; common to a whole nation:
    this policy may have been in the national interest
    a national newspaper
    Origin Late 16th century: from French, from Latin natio(n-) ‘birth, race of people’ (see nation).
    http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/english/national

    And if said candidate or leader for national office is a SOCIALIST as Bernie Sanders admits to being, then it follows that said leader or candidate is a national Socialist leader or candidate.

    so·cial·ism
    n.
    1. Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.
    2. The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and communism, in which the means of production are collectively owned but a completely classless society has not yet been achieved.
    https://ahdictionary.com/word/search.html?q=socialism

    Now, unless you can cite numerous differences between that leader or candidate’s agenda and Socialism then they are or will be synonymous with each other.

    As of late I’ve notice the tendency of the #nationalSocialistLeft to avoid answering questions or address them altogether – as you have done here in this forum.

    So, I will give you 3 chances spaced over a fair amount of time at addressing the question, failure to do so will prove my point. AND if you attempt to use the shopworn “I’ve already answered the question” without doing so, you will be required to cite and excerpt your alleged answer – IF you cannot you will be shown to be a Liar…

  • Torcer

    Now, with regards to your objections to the use of the word ‘national’ next to the word ‘Socialist’ let’s begin with the FACT that it’s a FREE country and that I don’t care about your carping on the issue.

    The fact is a candidate or leader for national office can logically be said to be ‘national’ ________

    One merely has to read the definition of the word to realize this is the case:

    Definition of national
    adjective
    1 Relating to or characteristic of a nation; common to a whole nation:
    this policy may have been in the national interest
    a national newspaper
    Origin Late 16th century: from French, from Latin natio(n-) ‘birth, race of people’ (see nation).
    http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/english/national

    And if said candidate or leader for national office is a SOCIALIST as Bernie Sanders admits to being, then it follows that said leader or candidate is a national Socialist leader or candidate.

    so·cial·ism
    n.
    1. Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.
    2. The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and communism, in which the means of production are collectively owned but a completely classless society has not yet been achieved.
    https://ahdictionary.com/word/search.html?q=socialism

    Now, unless you can cite numerous differences between that leader or candidate’s agenda and Socialism then they are or will be synonymous with each other.

    As of late I’ve notice the tendency of the #nationalSocialistLeft to avoid answering questions or address them altogether – as you have done here in this forum.

    So, I will give you 3 chances spaced over a fair amount of time at addressing the question, failure to do so will prove my point. AND if you attempt to use the shopworn “I’ve already answered the question” without doing so, you will be required to cite and excerpt your alleged answer – IF you cannot you will be shown to be a Liar…

  • Torcer

    Still talking I see… Go ahead… Knock yourself out. When you actually make any kind of a valid, logical point I’ll jump back in. Until then… Enjoy the sound of yourself talking to yourself.

  • Torcer

    Still talking I see… Go ahead… Knock yourself out. When you actually make any kind of a valid, logical point I’ll jump back in. Until then… Enjoy the sound of yourself talking to yourself.

  • Torcer

    It’s actually becoming quite amusing that your responses are becoming longer and longer replete with all manner of strawmen and childish diatribes

    It’s also supremely ironic that attacks against the use of certain words together is a vestige of fascism itself.

    I find it curious that those on the #nationalSocialistLeft have a tendency to follow the edicts of both Hitler and Lenin:

    You can’t even properly elucidate the etymology of certain words.

    Here’s a hint for you – in most cases a root word has a tendency to be shorter than it’s offshoots.

    Here’s a hint for you – in most cases a root word has a tendency to be shorter than it’s antecedents
    .

  • Torcer

    It’s actually becoming quite amusing that your responses are becoming longer and longer replete with all manner of strawmen and childish diatribes

    It’s also supremely ironic that attacks against the use of certain words together is a vestige of fascism itself.

    I find it curious that those on the #nationalSocialistLeft have a tendency to follow the edicts of both Hitler and Lenin:

    You can’t even properly elucidate the etymology of certain words.

    Here’s a hint for you – in most cases a root word has a tendency to be shorter than it’s offshoots.

    Here’s a hint for you – in most cases a root word has a tendency to be shorter than it’s antecedents
    .

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    Yes, They Do Want To Take Your Guns – http://thefederalist.com/2015/12/07/yes-they-do-want-to-take-your-guns/ via @FDRLST

    It should be plain from the increasing gun Confiscation talk from the #national Socialist Left that is exactly what they want:

    Mr. Cuomo, speaking on WGDJ-AM, said: “Confiscation could be an option.”
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/21/nyregion/cuomo-says-he-will-outline-gun-measures-next-month.html?_r=1&

    MSNBC’s Ed Schultz Talks Gun ‘Confiscation’
    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/dan-gainor/2012/12/16/msnbc-s-ed-schultz-talks-gun-confiscation

    OBAMA ENDORSES AUSTRALIAN-STYLE GUN CONFISCATION
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKSvxz5LHHw

    Clinton: Australian-Style Gun Control ‘Worth Considering’ for U.S
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JctBYrIaKvY

    Yes, They Want to Take Your Guns Away http://thebea.st/1HmJOfM

    A gun-free society http://wapo.st/1LrJxz3

    Clinton Announces Massive Gun Control Plan
    http://dailycaller.com/2015/10/16/clinton-announces-massive-gun-control-plan/

    Although it’s not very intelegent for them to talk Confiscation Before they get people to accept Intergalactic Background Checks [IBC] and registration to facilitate their ultimate goal CONFISCATION.

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    Yes, They Do Want To Take Your Guns – http://thefederalist.com/2015/12/07/yes-they-do-want-to-take-your-guns/ via @FDRLST

    It should be plain from the increasing gun Confiscation talk from the #national Socialist Left that is exactly what they want:

    Mr. Cuomo, speaking on WGDJ-AM, said: “Confiscation could be an option.”
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/21/nyregion/cuomo-says-he-will-outline-gun-measures-next-month.html?_r=1&

    MSNBC’s Ed Schultz Talks Gun ‘Confiscation’
    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/dan-gainor/2012/12/16/msnbc-s-ed-schultz-talks-gun-confiscation

    OBAMA ENDORSES AUSTRALIAN-STYLE GUN CONFISCATION
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKSvxz5LHHw

    Clinton: Australian-Style Gun Control ‘Worth Considering’ for U.S
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JctBYrIaKvY

    Yes, They Want to Take Your Guns Away http://thebea.st/1HmJOfM

    A gun-free society http://wapo.st/1LrJxz3

    Clinton Announces Massive Gun Control Plan
    http://dailycaller.com/2015/10/16/clinton-announces-massive-gun-control-plan/

    Although it’s not very intelegent for them to talk Confiscation Before they get people to accept Intergalactic Background Checks [IBC] and registration to facilitate their ultimate goal CONFISCATION.

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    A Game Of Fire And Ice – Bearing Arms – New York Times, Second Amendment http://bearingarms.com/game-fire-ice/

    A Game Of Fire And Ice
    The New York Times took an unusual step yesterday, in labeling one of their front page editorials as an editorial for only the second time in the newspaper’s history, and for the first time under foreign control.
    [..]
    Feel free to read the Times editorial for yourself, but don’t be expected to be blown away by their command of the facts, irrefutable logic, unassailable reason, solid constitutional arguments, or even a persuasive emotional argument.

    To lift a line from the Bard of Avon,

    “It is a tale
    Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
    Signifying nothing.”

    [..]
    Put bluntly, California Democrats hate unapproved liberty. Thought that is truly free, unguided, wide-ranging, and intellectually diverse terrifies them. They’ve done everything possible to restrict and regulate their citizens into a narrowly prescribed range of acceptable behavior. Part of this smiling totalitarianism is their attempt to make exercising the most natural and essential of all human rights, self-defense, as difficult as possible to legally exercise.

    It’s a game of constriction and control, disguised as benevolence.

    Californians do not have the liberty to decide what kind of firearm they would like to own for family or personal defense. They are limited to a constricted list of tools, arbitrarily determined by untrained politicians who routinely make fools of themselves as they strip away the liberty of their citizens. The editors of the New York Times would like to see this failed over-regulation—which is no impediment to either criminals nor terrorists—forced upon the rest of the nation.

    Like their brethren in California, the pseudo-erudite editorial board of the Times has been carefully and precisely trained how to think “properly,” in a narrow range of “right-thinking” private schools and universities. They are the very definition of an echo chamber, and unfortunately, one that has been told for their entire delicate lives that they are suited to rule, if only that pesky Constitution, written by that obnoxious band of Free Thinkers in the 1700s, could be shunted aside. They view that pesky piece of parchment as an irrelevant, outdated impediment to a new and improved world where government, run by the right people, would ensure uniform happiness for all… or else.
    […]
    The Bill of Rights was created by the Founders to protect individual liberties from the constant threat of Men in High Places designing governments to control people, which has always be the default condition of every government in world history.
    […]
    Let me take this opportunity to calmly and rationally offer my rebuttal to the editorial board of the New York Times.

    I will not give up my guns. You will have to try to take them.

    One of us will die.

    I will not give up combat-capable rifles, their standard-capacity, 30-round magazines, nor any kind of ammunition that I see fit to run through these guns. I will not give up my combat-capable shotgun, designed to kill a human being the first time, every time with one well-aimed blast of plated buckshot. I will not give up my high-capacity semi-automatic pistols that I can hide under almost any kind of clothing without a hint that I’m armed at all, nor will I give up the hollowpoint ammunition that fills them. You will not take my long-range precision rifle, with which I control anything within a half-mile of my position.

    I am one of 100 million armed American citizens, trained in the use of small arms by military and police trainers who want citizens to be armed against an increasingly tyrannical government.

    We are free, and we will not submit to you.
    http://bearingarms.com/game-fire-ice/

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    A Game Of Fire And Ice – Bearing Arms – New York Times, Second Amendment http://bearingarms.com/game-fire-ice/

    A Game Of Fire And Ice
    The New York Times took an unusual step yesterday, in labeling one of their front page editorials as an editorial for only the second time in the newspaper’s history, and for the first time under foreign control.
    [..]
    Feel free to read the Times editorial for yourself, but don’t be expected to be blown away by their command of the facts, irrefutable logic, unassailable reason, solid constitutional arguments, or even a persuasive emotional argument.

    To lift a line from the Bard of Avon,

    “It is a tale
    Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
    Signifying nothing.”

    [..]
    Put bluntly, California Democrats hate unapproved liberty. Thought that is truly free, unguided, wide-ranging, and intellectually diverse terrifies them. They’ve done everything possible to restrict and regulate their citizens into a narrowly prescribed range of acceptable behavior. Part of this smiling totalitarianism is their attempt to make exercising the most natural and essential of all human rights, self-defense, as difficult as possible to legally exercise.

    It’s a game of constriction and control, disguised as benevolence.

    Californians do not have the liberty to decide what kind of firearm they would like to own for family or personal defense. They are limited to a constricted list of tools, arbitrarily determined by untrained politicians who routinely make fools of themselves as they strip away the liberty of their citizens. The editors of the New York Times would like to see this failed over-regulation—which is no impediment to either criminals nor terrorists—forced upon the rest of the nation.

    Like their brethren in California, the pseudo-erudite editorial board of the Times has been carefully and precisely trained how to think “properly,” in a narrow range of “right-thinking” private schools and universities. They are the very definition of an echo chamber, and unfortunately, one that has been told for their entire delicate lives that they are suited to rule, if only that pesky Constitution, written by that obnoxious band of Free Thinkers in the 1700s, could be shunted aside. They view that pesky piece of parchment as an irrelevant, outdated impediment to a new and improved world where government, run by the right people, would ensure uniform happiness for all… or else.
    […]
    The Bill of Rights was created by the Founders to protect individual liberties from the constant threat of Men in High Places designing governments to control people, which has always be the default condition of every government in world history.
    […]
    Let me take this opportunity to calmly and rationally offer my rebuttal to the editorial board of the New York Times.

    I will not give up my guns. You will have to try to take them.

    One of us will die.

    I will not give up combat-capable rifles, their standard-capacity, 30-round magazines, nor any kind of ammunition that I see fit to run through these guns. I will not give up my combat-capable shotgun, designed to kill a human being the first time, every time with one well-aimed blast of plated buckshot. I will not give up my high-capacity semi-automatic pistols that I can hide under almost any kind of clothing without a hint that I’m armed at all, nor will I give up the hollowpoint ammunition that fills them. You will not take my long-range precision rifle, with which I control anything within a half-mile of my position.

    I am one of 100 million armed American citizens, trained in the use of small arms by military and police trainers who want citizens to be armed against an increasingly tyrannical government.

    We are free, and we will not submit to you.
    http://bearingarms.com/game-fire-ice/

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    #Destruction of Liberty via the TWL scam
    ‘Special kind of dumb’: Gun-grabbing ‘idiot’ Shannon Watts coins ‘new @NRA motto’ http://twitchy.com/2015/12/08/special-kind-of-dumb-gun-grabbing-idiot-shannon-watts-coins-new-nra-motto/

    http://twitter.com/Don78358/status/674344009297362945/photo/1

    If you believe in the right to life, you must believe in regulating guns « Hot Air Headlines http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2015/12/08/if-you-believe-in-the-right-to-life-you-must-believe-in-regulating-guns/ via @hotairblog

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    #Destruction of Liberty via the TWL scam
    ‘Special kind of dumb’: Gun-grabbing ‘idiot’ Shannon Watts coins ‘new @NRA motto’ http://twitchy.com/2015/12/08/special-kind-of-dumb-gun-grabbing-idiot-shannon-watts-coins-new-nra-motto/

    http://twitter.com/Don78358/status/674344009297362945/photo/1

    If you believe in the right to life, you must believe in regulating guns « Hot Air Headlines http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2015/12/08/if-you-believe-in-the-right-to-life-you-must-believe-in-regulating-guns/ via @hotairblog

  • Torcer

    NY Times’ Second Editorial Demand for Gun Control Proves They Have No Idea What They’re Talking About
    http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/12/foghorn/ny-times-second-editorial-demand-for-gun-control-proves-they-have-no-idea-what-theyre-talking-about/

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    Make no mistake – the national Socialist Left’s ultimate goal is Confiscation:

    “Yes conservatives, we want to take away your guns…”
    Saturday Mar 24, 2012 1:43 AM Dailykos
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/24/1077374/-Yes-conservatives-we-want-to-take-away-your-guns

    MSNBC’s Ed Schultz Talks Gun ‘Confiscation’
    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/dan-gainor/2012/12/16/msnbc-s-ed-schultz-talks-gun-confiscation

    Mr. Cuomo, speaking on WGDJ-AM, said: “Confiscation could be an option.”
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/21/nyregion/cuomo-says-he-will-outline-gun-measures-next-month.html?_r=1&

    “Ban, seize semi-auto weapons”State Rep. Dan Muhlbauer, D-Manilla December 19, 2012
    http://carrollspaper.com/Content/Local-News-Archive/Local-News/Article/Muhlbauer-Ban-seize-semi-auto-weapons/1/1/14934

    ‘Turn in your guns’ Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Texas) December 19, 2012,http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/273753-house-dem-calls-on-people-to-turn-in-your-guns

    “If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States, for an outright ban, picking up [every gun]… Mr. and Mrs. America, turn ‘em all in.”Diane Feinstein on Gun Control “Turn ‘Em All In!”
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-b45FdDN3s&feature=player_detailpage
    Published on Jan 18, 2013

    “A couple of decades ago, Australia had a mass shooting similar to Columbine or Newtown. And Australia just said, well, that’s it — we’re not seeing that again. And basically imposed very severe, tough gun laws.” Obama June 10, 2014

    You say gun control doesn’t work? Fine. Let’s ban guns altogether. http://fw.to/q3NgAlk LA Times May 28, 2014

    “We know that other countries, in response to one mass shooting, have been able to craft laws that almost eliminate mass shootings. Friends of ours, allies of ours — Great Britain, Australia, countries like ours. So we know there are ways to prevent it.” Obama October 01, 2015

    Effective Gun Control – A National Semi-Auto Ban
    Monday Oct 05, 2015 Dailykos http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/10/5/1427845/-Effective-Gun-Control-A-National-Semi-Auto-Ban

    “In the Australian example, as I recall, that was a buyback program.”…..“I think it would be worth considering doing it on the national level” Hillary Clinton October 16 2015
    http://www.c-span.org/video/?328774-1/hillary-clinton-town-hall-meeting-keene-new-hampshire&start=2831

    A gun-free societyThe Washington Post October 2015 http://wapo.st/1LrJxz3

    Yes, They Want to Take Your Guns Away The Daily Beast November 2015 http://thebea.st/1HmJOfM

    End the Gun Epidemic in AmericaThe New York Times December 5, 2015 [First Front Page Editorial In 95 Years] http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/end-the-gun-epidemic-in-america/ar-AAg2dhB?

    We don’t need gun control. We need domestic disarmament Huffingtonpost December 7,2015 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/amitai-etzioni/needed-domestic-disarmame_b_8739712.html

    It’s Time to Ban Guns. Yes, All of Them.
    https://newrepublic.com/article/125498/its-time-ban-guns-yes-them
    December 10, 2015

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    NY Times’ Second Editorial Demand for Gun Control Proves They Have No Idea What They’re Talking About
    http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/12/foghorn/ny-times-second-editorial-demand-for-gun-control-proves-they-have-no-idea-what-theyre-talking-about/

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    NY Times’ Second Editorial Demand for Gun Control Proves They Have No Idea What They’re Talking About
    http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/12/foghorn/ny-times-second-editorial-demand-for-gun-control-proves-they-have-no-idea-what-theyre-talking-about/

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    “Yes conservatives, we want to take away your guns…” March 24, 2012 Dailykos

    MSNBC’s Ed Schultz Talks Gun ‘Confiscation’ December 15 2012

    Mr. Cuomo, speaking on WGDJ-AM, said: “Confiscation could be an option.” December 20, 2012

    “Ban, seize semi-auto weapons” State Rep. Dan Muhlbauer, D-Manilla December 19, 2012

    “Turn in your guns” Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Texas) December 19, 2012,

    “If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States, for an outright ban, picking up [every gun]… Mr. and Mrs. America, turn ‘em all in.” Diane Feinstein on Gun Control “Turn ‘Em All In!” Published Jan 18, 2013

    “A couple of decades ago, Australia had a mass shooting similar to Columbine or Newtown. And Australia just said, well, that’s it — we’re not seeing that again. And basically imposed very severe, tough gun laws.” Obama June 10, 2014

    “You say gun control doesn’t work? Fine. Let’s ban guns altogether” LA Times May 28, 2014

    “We know that other countries, in response to one mass shooting, have been able to craft laws that almost eliminate mass shootings. Friends of ours, allies of ours — Great Britain, Australia, countries like ours. So we know there are ways to prevent it.” Obama October 01, 2015

    “Effective Gun Control – A National Semi-Auto Ban” Monday Oct 05, 2015 Dailykos

    “In the Australian example, as I recall, that was a buyback program.”…..“I think it would be worth considering doing it on the national level” Hillary Clinton October 16 2015

    “A gun-free society” The Washington Post October 2015

    “Yes, They Want to Take Your Guns Away” The Daily Beast November 2015

    “End the Gun Epidemic in America”The New York Times December 5, 2015 [First Front Page Editorial In 95 Years]

    “We don’t need gun control. We need domestic disarmament” Huffingtonpost December 7,2015

    “It’s Time to Ban Guns. Yes, All of Them” New Republic December 10, 2015

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    “Yes conservatives, we want to take away your guns…” March 24, 2012 Dailykos

    MSNBC’s Ed Schultz Talks Gun ‘Confiscation’ December 15 2012

    Mr. Cuomo, speaking on WGDJ-AM, said: “Confiscation could be an option.” December 20, 2012

    “Ban, seize semi-auto weapons” State Rep. Dan Muhlbauer, D-Manilla December 19, 2012

    “Turn in your guns” Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Texas) December 19, 2012,

    “If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States, for an outright ban, picking up [every gun]… Mr. and Mrs. America, turn ‘em all in.” Diane Feinstein on Gun Control “Turn ‘Em All In!” Published Jan 18, 2013

    “A couple of decades ago, Australia had a mass shooting similar to Columbine or Newtown. And Australia just said, well, that’s it — we’re not seeing that again. And basically imposed very severe, tough gun laws.” Obama June 10, 2014

    “You say gun control doesn’t work? Fine. Let’s ban guns altogether” LA Times May 28, 2014

    “We know that other countries, in response to one mass shooting, have been able to craft laws that almost eliminate mass shootings. Friends of ours, allies of ours — Great Britain, Australia, countries like ours. So we know there are ways to prevent it.” Obama October 01, 2015

    “Effective Gun Control – A National Semi-Auto Ban” Monday Oct 05, 2015 Dailykos

    “In the Australian example, as I recall, that was a buyback program.”…..“I think it would be worth considering doing it on the national level” Hillary Clinton October 16 2015

    “A gun-free society” The Washington Post October 2015

    “Yes, They Want to Take Your Guns Away” The Daily Beast November 2015

    “End the Gun Epidemic in America”The New York Times December 5, 2015 [First Front Page Editorial In 95 Years]

    “We don’t need gun control. We need domestic disarmament” Huffingtonpost December 7,2015

    “It’s Time to Ban Guns. Yes, All of Them” New Republic December 10, 2015

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    Presidential Wars: Restoring the Republic https://t.co/R437uR2nO2 via @sharethis pic.twitter.com/YIDzxyWuN9— Torcer (@TorcerT) December 17, 2015

  • Torcer

    Presidential Wars: Restoring the Republic https://t.co/R437uR2nO2 via @sharethis pic.twitter.com/YIDzxyWuN9— Torcer (@TorcerT) December 17, 2015

  • Torcer

    Presidential Wars: Restoring the Republic https://shar.es/1G4ajm via @sharethis
    http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples_resource/image/36921

  • Torcer

    Presidential Wars: Restoring the Republic https://shar.es/1G4ajm via @sharethis
    http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples_resource/image/36921

  • Torcer
  • Torcer
  • Torcer

    #BS #Biden
    #Colorado
    #Confiscation #CommonsenseCivilRightofArmedSelfDefense
    #Destruction of Liberty via the TWL scam
    #Flashback
    #GlobalCooling
    #Hillary #Hillary Scandals
    #illegal Invasion
    #insanity
    #Islamic Invasion
    #Loss of Liberty
    #Muslim – Taqiyya
    #national Socialist Left # National Socialist Media
    #Obama #Obamacare
    #ObamasAbuGhraib
    #Socialism=FAILURE
    #Reference
    #RefugeesWelcome
    #Surrender Acquiescing Party
    #Reference
    #Technology
    #Terrorism
    #Venezuela

  • Torcer

    #BS #Biden
    #Colorado
    #Confiscation #CommonsenseCivilRightofArmedSelfDefense
    #Destruction of Liberty via the TWL scam
    #Flashback
    #GlobalCooling
    #Hillary #Hillary Scandals
    #illegal Invasion
    #insanity
    #Islamic Invasion
    #Loss of Liberty
    #Muslim – Taqiyya
    #national Socialist Left # National Socialist Media
    #Obama #Obamacare
    #ObamasAbuGhraib
    #Socialism=FAILURE
    #Reference
    #RefugeesWelcome
    #Surrender Acquiescing Party
    #Reference
    #Technology
    #Terrorism
    #Venezuela

  • Torcer

    SCRATCH PAD national Socialist agenda Left
    #AnsTheQuestionPlease #StillWaitingForAnAnswer

    #Comrade Clinton
    #GunSense Boot #MomsDemand from #everytown
    #CommonsenseCivilRightofArmedSelfDefense
    #DemocraticNationalCommunistparty
    #IllegalInvasion #nationalSocialistLeft #NationalSocialistMedia #NoAmnesty
    #SisterPatriots #SOSVzla #teaparty #tcot
    #Venezuela those on the national socialist left
    #GlobalCooling #GunSense≠sense#2a #tcot #ccot #pjnet #NRA
    Boot #MomsDemand from #everytown ad hominem
    #IntergalacticBackgroundChecks
    Be sure to include plenty EXCERPTS and Links from authentic reference sites in your erstwhile answer.
    Democratic national socialist party
    National Socialist American Workers Party

    National Socialist American Workers Party


    Find the image on the web you wish to post. Right click on the image, scroll down the list and click on “properties.” In the box that opens up, highlight the address next to “Address (URL)”, then press CTRL+c to copy the URL.
    #You May Be A Communard If… https://shar.es/1cLr1w via @sharethis

  • Torcer

    Datos, ne quisquam seruiat, enses. (The sword was given for this, that none need live a slave.) – Marcus Annaeus Lucanus
    …………………………….
    “Inside Every Liberal Is A Totalitarian Screaming to Get Out.”
    ……………………..
    One man with a gun can control 100 without one. Vladimir Lenin
    …………………………….
    Character is destiny. – Heraclitus
    ………………………………..
    A lie told often enough becomes the truth. Lenin
    …………………………….
    “Democracy is the worst form of government except for all those others that have been tried.” Winston Churchill
    …………………………….
    Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
    Albert Einstein

    …………………………….
    “If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey, he is obligated to do so.” – Thomas Jefferson
    …………………………….
    “Leave no authority existing not responsible to the people,” -Thomas Jefferson.
    …………………………….
    Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. – Robert Heinlein
    …………………………….
    “Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God.” Thomas Jefferson
    …………………………….
    If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace. – Thomas Paine
    …………………………….
    Never waste a good crisis Hillary Clinton
    …………………………….
    “We want them registered” – Nancy Pelosi
    …………………………….
    Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt. — Mark Twain
    ……………………………..
    “You never want a serious crisis to go to waste,” Rahm Emanuel.
    “This crisis provides the opportunity for us to do things that you could not do before.”
    ……………………………..
    “Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.” George Santayana
    ……………………………..
    Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it. – Thomas Sowell
    ……………………………..
    The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. H.L. Menkin
    …………………………….
    I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery – Thomas Jefferson
    …………………………….
    “It takes considerable knowledge just to realize the extent of your own ignorance.” –Thomas Sowell
    …………………………….
    Distrust all men in whom the impulse to punish is powerful. – Friedrich Nietzsche
    …………………………….
    “If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull.” W. C. Fields
    ……………………………………
    There is no such dichotomy as “human rights” versus “property rights.”
    No human rights can exist without property rights. – Ayn Rand

    ………………………………………….
    “There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle.” – Albert Einstein
    ………………………………………….
    The possession of arms is the distinction between a freeman and a slave. – James Burgh, 1774
    ………………………………………….
    From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.
    Karl Marx

    ………………………………………….
    “You cannot have a proud and chivalrous spirit if your conduct is mean
    and paltry; for whatever a man’s actions are, such must be his spirit.”
    Demosthenes, Third Olynthiac

    …………………………………………….
    I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty, than those attending too small a degree of it. -Thomas Jefferson

  • Torcer

    SCRATCH PAD national Socialist agenda Left
    #AnsTheQuestionPlease #StillWaitingForAnAnswer

    #Comrade Clinton
    #GunSense Boot #MomsDemand from #everytown
    #CommonsenseCivilRightofArmedSelfDefense
    #DemocraticNationalCommunistparty
    #IllegalInvasion #nationalSocialistLeft #NationalSocialistMedia #NoAmnesty
    #SisterPatriots #SOSVzla #teaparty #tcot
    #Venezuela those on the national socialist left
    #GlobalCooling #GunSense≠sense#2a #tcot #ccot #pjnet #NRA
    Boot #MomsDemand from #everytown ad hominem
    #IntergalacticBackgroundChecks
    Be sure to include plenty EXCERPTS and Links from authentic reference sites in your erstwhile answer.
    Democratic national socialist party
    National Socialist American Workers Party

    National Socialist American Workers Party


    Find the image on the web you wish to post. Right click on the image, scroll down the list and click on “properties.” In the box that opens up, highlight the address next to “Address (URL)”, then press CTRL+c to copy the URL.
    #You May Be A Communard If… https://shar.es/1cLr1w via @sharethis

  • Torcer

    Datos, ne quisquam seruiat, enses. (The sword was given for this, that none need live a slave.) – Marcus Annaeus Lucanus
    …………………………….
    “Inside Every Liberal Is A Totalitarian Screaming to Get Out.”
    ……………………..
    One man with a gun can control 100 without one. Vladimir Lenin
    …………………………….
    Character is destiny. – Heraclitus
    ………………………………..
    A lie told often enough becomes the truth. Lenin
    …………………………….
    “Democracy is the worst form of government except for all those others that have been tried.” Winston Churchill
    …………………………….
    Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
    Albert Einstein

    …………………………….
    “If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey, he is obligated to do so.” – Thomas Jefferson
    …………………………….
    “Leave no authority existing not responsible to the people,” -Thomas Jefferson.
    …………………………….
    Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. – Robert Heinlein
    …………………………….
    “Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God.” Thomas Jefferson
    …………………………….
    If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace. – Thomas Paine
    …………………………….
    Never waste a good crisis Hillary Clinton
    …………………………….
    “We want them registered” – Nancy Pelosi
    …………………………….
    Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt. — Mark Twain
    ……………………………..
    “You never want a serious crisis to go to waste,” Rahm Emanuel.
    “This crisis provides the opportunity for us to do things that you could not do before.”
    ……………………………..
    “Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.” George Santayana
    ……………………………..
    Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it. – Thomas Sowell
    ……………………………..
    The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. H.L. Menkin
    …………………………….
    I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery – Thomas Jefferson
    …………………………….
    “It takes considerable knowledge just to realize the extent of your own ignorance.” –Thomas Sowell
    …………………………….
    Distrust all men in whom the impulse to punish is powerful. – Friedrich Nietzsche
    …………………………….
    “If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull.” W. C. Fields
    ……………………………………
    There is no such dichotomy as “human rights” versus “property rights.”
    No human rights can exist without property rights. – Ayn Rand

    ………………………………………….
    “There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle.” – Albert Einstein
    ………………………………………….
    The possession of arms is the distinction between a freeman and a slave. – James Burgh, 1774
    ………………………………………….
    From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.
    Karl Marx

    ………………………………………….
    “You cannot have a proud and chivalrous spirit if your conduct is mean
    and paltry; for whatever a man’s actions are, such must be his spirit.”
    Demosthenes, Third Olynthiac

    …………………………………………….
    I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty, than those attending too small a degree of it. -Thomas Jefferson

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    “Yes conservatives, we want to take away your guns…” March 24, 2012 Dailykos

    MSNBC’s Ed Schultz Talks Gun ‘Confiscation’ December 15 2012

    “Ban, seize semi-auto weapons” State Rep. Dan Muhlbauer, D-Manilla December 19, 2012

    “Turn in your guns” Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Texas) December 19, 2012,

    Mr. Cuomo, speaking on WGDJ-AM, said: “Confiscation could be an option.” December 20, 2012

    How to Ban Guns: A step by step, long term process December 21, 2012 Dailykos

    Pro-gun advocates angry over N.J. lawmakers’ hot-mic comments – Democrats Loretta Weinberg, Sandra Cunningham and Linda Greenstein “We needed a bill that was going to confiscate, confiscate, confiscate” May 10, 2013 The Star-Ledger

    “If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States, for an outright ban, picking up [every gun]… Mr. and Mrs. America, turn ‘em all in.” Diane Feinstein on Gun Control “Turn ‘Em All In!” Published Jan 18, 2013

    Time is overdue to repeal the Second Amendment December 28 2014 Wisconsin gazette

    “A couple of decades ago, Australia had a mass shooting similar to Columbine or Newtown. And Australia just said, well, that’s it — we’re not seeing that again. And basically imposed very severe, tough gun laws.” Obama June 10, 2014

    “You say gun control doesn’t work? Fine. Let’s ban guns altogether” LA Times May 28, 2014

    Stop the insanity: Ban guns January 7, 2015 Tallahassee Democrat

    “We know that other countries, in response to one mass shooting, have been able to craft laws that almost eliminate mass shootings. Friends of ours, allies of ours — Great Britain, Australia, countries like ours. So we know there are ways to prevent it.” Obama October 01, 2015

    “Effective Gun Control – A National Semi-Auto Ban” Monday Oct 05, 2015 Dailykos

    “In the Australian example, as I recall, that was a buyback program.”…..“I think it would be worth considering doing it on the national level” Hillary Clinton October 16 2015

    “A gun-free society” The Washington Post October 2015

    “Yes, They Want to Take Your Guns Away” The Daily Beast November 2015

    “End the Gun Epidemic in America”The New York Times December 5, 2015 [First Front Page Editorial In 95 Years]

    “We don’t need gun control. We need domestic disarmament” Huffingtonpost December 7,2015

    “declare these arms contraband and confiscate them” Rolling Stone December 9, 2015

    “It’s Time to Ban Guns. Yes, All of Them” New Republic December 10, 2015

  • Torcer

    At this point in our history, with the country and the world in such dire straits…

    Its’ ABCAnyone But Clinton!

  • Torcer

    “Yes conservatives, we want to take away your guns…” March 24, 2012 Dailykos

    MSNBC’s Ed Schultz Talks Gun ‘Confiscation’ December 15 2012

    “Ban, seize semi-auto weapons” State Rep. Dan Muhlbauer, D-Manilla December 19, 2012

    “Turn in your guns” Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Texas) December 19, 2012,

    Mr. Cuomo, speaking on WGDJ-AM, said: “Confiscation could be an option.” December 20, 2012

    How to Ban Guns: A step by step, long term process December 21, 2012 Dailykos

    Pro-gun advocates angry over N.J. lawmakers’ hot-mic comments – Democrats Loretta Weinberg, Sandra Cunningham and Linda Greenstein “We needed a bill that was going to confiscate, confiscate, confiscate” May 10, 2013 The Star-Ledger

    “If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States, for an outright ban, picking up [every gun]… Mr. and Mrs. America, turn ‘em all in.” Diane Feinstein on Gun Control “Turn ‘Em All In!” Published Jan 18, 2013

    Time is overdue to repeal the Second Amendment December 28 2014 Wisconsin gazette

    “A couple of decades ago, Australia had a mass shooting similar to Columbine or Newtown. And Australia just said, well, that’s it — we’re not seeing that again. And basically imposed very severe, tough gun laws.” Obama June 10, 2014

    “You say gun control doesn’t work? Fine. Let’s ban guns altogether” LA Times May 28, 2014

    Stop the insanity: Ban guns January 7, 2015 Tallahassee Democrat

    “We know that other countries, in response to one mass shooting, have been able to craft laws that almost eliminate mass shootings. Friends of ours, allies of ours — Great Britain, Australia, countries like ours. So we know there are ways to prevent it.” Obama October 01, 2015

    “Effective Gun Control – A National Semi-Auto Ban” Monday Oct 05, 2015 Dailykos

    “In the Australian example, as I recall, that was a buyback program.”…..“I think it would be worth considering doing it on the national level” Hillary Clinton October 16 2015

    “A gun-free society” The Washington Post October 2015

    “Yes, They Want to Take Your Guns Away” The Daily Beast November 2015

    “End the Gun Epidemic in America”The New York Times December 5, 2015 [First Front Page Editorial In 95 Years]

    “We don’t need gun control. We need domestic disarmament” Huffingtonpost December 7,2015

    “declare these arms contraband and confiscate them” Rolling Stone December 9, 2015

    “It’s Time to Ban Guns. Yes, All of Them” New Republic December 10, 2015

  • Torcer

    At this point in our history, with the country and the world in such dire straits…

    Its’ ABCAnyone But Clinton!

  • Torcer

    bklynguy Maybe Trump can’t stop people from endorsing him but he can denounce and distance himself from them which he has not done with the Nazis.
    You want to know why the Nazis endorsed Trump? Read their website . They can speak for themselves. Or maybe, if you’re right and the Nazis are socialists, then they’re supporting Trump because he is a socialist, too. Why else, right?

    And that proves NOTHING. A candidate cannot stop from someone from doing that, much less account for their support.
    Let’ see you detail his advocacy of Socialism.
    Be sure to include plenty EXCERPTS and Links from authentic reference sites in your answer.

    bklynguy What you falsely call the North Korean dodge does explain why Hitler used the word socialist. Pure propaganda. Hitler was as much a socialist as North Korea is a democratic republic.

    And once again you utterly FAILED to address the question. I’ve heard that argument time and time again and those on the national Socialist Left have nothing beyond it.

    If you supposedly”

    bklynguy “have forgotten more about Nazism than you will ever know.”

    You should be able some up with SOMETHING other than those two vacuous arguments. TRY AGAIN.

    bklynguy Remember that while socialism is a dirty word here, it was a term of honor and respect in Germany which had the SPD, the world’s largest and most powerful socialist party. It was a purely cynical move on Hitler ‘s part to use the good name of socialism to get blue collar support. More proof?

    Proof? You have FAILED to cite any ‘proof’. Proof would constitute FACTS and EXCERPTS and Links from authentic reference sites That is what you need to provide, something other than restating the tired old propaganda opinion.

    bklynguy 1. Gregor Strasser. You didn’t answer my question about him so you don’t have a clue who he was, so I will tell you. He was one of Hitler ‘s chief lieutenants in his rise to power. He did take the socialism part of Nazism seriously . What happened to him? Hitler murdered him and his followers during the Night of the Long Knives in 1934, destroying whatever slim chance there was of the Nazi Party practicing socialism.

    2. Krupp and Thyssen. Again people that you have never heard of. They were two of Germany ‘s biggest industrialists who supported Hitler on condition he completely and totally eliminate Germany ‘s large and powerful socialist and communist parties. Hitler agreed and he fulfilled his part of the bargain. Those parties were destroyed and Nazi socialists like Strasser were purged and murdered.

    So that is your best argument – randomly naming people as alleged proof?
    Again, that proves nothing.
    TRY AGAIN

    bklynguy You still think Hitler was socialist?

    Again, it was in the very NAME of his orgainzation, You need to furnish proof that he wasn’t in the form of EXCERPTS and Links from authentic reference sites

    Then YOU name anything he did that was socialist. Did he

    bklynguy A. Nationalize German industry?
    B. Destroy markets and introduce central planning?
    C. Expropriate the wealth of Krupp, Thyssen and others ?
    D. Strengthen trade unions?

    You’re making this too easy – try looking at the definition of the word Socialist.

    Definition of socialism
    a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole. policy or practice based on the political and economic theory of socialism.
    (in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of Communism.
    http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/socialism

    And you can dispense with the same, tired old arbitrary standards dodge.

    bklynguy He did none of this; just the opposite. So YOU name something socialist that he did. And you cite from history like I did and not repeat bromides from pseudo – historians like Jonah Goldberg and that fool who wrote a book about Leftists from De Sade to Hitler or some such nonsense. That’s where your getting this “national socialist left” drivel from.

    You do cite to a real historian Arthur Schlesinger whose point really is extremists act alike. Fascists and Communists, yes. Just like today’s Muslim extremists act like medieval Christian extremists. You do know that Schlesinger was a liberal Democrat. Does that make him part of the “national socialist left?
    https://disqus.com/home/discussion/thehill-v4/clinton_world_stunned_by_trump_remarks/#comment-2427383723

    The variations of Collectivism have common traits and actions, such as Implementing Gun Control, Suppression of dissent, Control over the media. Are you going to deny these traits?

  • Torcer

    bklynguy Maybe Trump can’t stop people from endorsing him but he can denounce and distance himself from them which he has not done with the Nazis.
    You want to know why the Nazis endorsed Trump? Read their website . They can speak for themselves. Or maybe, if you’re right and the Nazis are socialists, then they’re supporting Trump because he is a socialist, too. Why else, right?

    And that proves NOTHING. A candidate cannot stop from someone from doing that, much less account for their support.
    Let’ see you detail his advocacy of Socialism.
    Be sure to include plenty EXCERPTS and Links from authentic reference sites in your answer.

    bklynguy What you falsely call the North Korean dodge does explain why Hitler used the word socialist. Pure propaganda. Hitler was as much a socialist as North Korea is a democratic republic.

    And once again you utterly FAILED to address the question. I’ve heard that argument time and time again and those on the national Socialist Left have nothing beyond it.

    If you supposedly”

    bklynguy “have forgotten more about Nazism than you will ever know.”

    You should be able some up with SOMETHING other than those two vacuous arguments. TRY AGAIN.

    bklynguy Remember that while socialism is a dirty word here, it was a term of honor and respect in Germany which had the SPD, the world’s largest and most powerful socialist party. It was a purely cynical move on Hitler ‘s part to use the good name of socialism to get blue collar support. More proof?

    Proof? You have FAILED to cite any ‘proof’. Proof would constitute FACTS and EXCERPTS and Links from authentic reference sites That is what you need to provide, something other than restating the tired old propaganda opinion.

    bklynguy 1. Gregor Strasser. You didn’t answer my question about him so you don’t have a clue who he was, so I will tell you. He was one of Hitler ‘s chief lieutenants in his rise to power. He did take the socialism part of Nazism seriously . What happened to him? Hitler murdered him and his followers during the Night of the Long Knives in 1934, destroying whatever slim chance there was of the Nazi Party practicing socialism.

    2. Krupp and Thyssen. Again people that you have never heard of. They were two of Germany ‘s biggest industrialists who supported Hitler on condition he completely and totally eliminate Germany ‘s large and powerful socialist and communist parties. Hitler agreed and he fulfilled his part of the bargain. Those parties were destroyed and Nazi socialists like Strasser were purged and murdered.

    So that is your best argument – randomly naming people as alleged proof?
    Again, that proves nothing.
    TRY AGAIN

    bklynguy You still think Hitler was socialist?

    Again, it was in the very NAME of his orgainzation, You need to furnish proof that he wasn’t in the form of EXCERPTS and Links from authentic reference sites

    Then YOU name anything he did that was socialist. Did he

    bklynguy A. Nationalize German industry?
    B. Destroy markets and introduce central planning?
    C. Expropriate the wealth of Krupp, Thyssen and others ?
    D. Strengthen trade unions?

    You’re making this too easy – try looking at the definition of the word Socialist.

    Definition of socialism
    a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole. policy or practice based on the political and economic theory of socialism.
    (in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of Communism.
    http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/socialism

    And you can dispense with the same, tired old arbitrary standards dodge.

    bklynguy He did none of this; just the opposite. So YOU name something socialist that he did. And you cite from history like I did and not repeat bromides from pseudo – historians like Jonah Goldberg and that fool who wrote a book about Leftists from De Sade to Hitler or some such nonsense. That’s where your getting this “national socialist left” drivel from.

    You do cite to a real historian Arthur Schlesinger whose point really is extremists act alike. Fascists and Communists, yes. Just like today’s Muslim extremists act like medieval Christian extremists. You do know that Schlesinger was a liberal Democrat. Does that make him part of the “national socialist left?
    https://disqus.com/home/discussion/thehill-v4/clinton_world_stunned_by_trump_remarks/#comment-2427383723

    The variations of Collectivism have common traits and actions, such as Implementing Gun Control, Suppression of dissent, Control over the media. Are you going to deny these traits?

  • Torcer

    You need to actually address the FACT that they had the word Socialist in their very name.

    And something OTHER than the the ‘North Korea’ or ‘propaganda’ dodges – something actually based on FACTS.

    With those FACTS backed up with EXCERPTS and Links from authentic reference sites.

    I cannot discern why those on the national Socialist Left expect to get by with their baseless assertions.

  • Torcer

    You need to actually address the FACT that they had the word Socialist in their very name.

    And something OTHER than the the ‘North Korea’ or ‘propaganda’ dodges – something actually based on FACTS.

    With those FACTS backed up with EXCERPTS and Links from authentic reference sites.

    I cannot discern why those on the national Socialist Left expect to get by with their baseless assertions.

  • Torcer

    Full Definition of FASCISM
    1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
    2: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control early instances of army fascism and brutality — J. W. Aldridge
    Examples of FASCISM
    the rise of Fascism in Europe before World War II
    From the first hours of Hitler’s invasion of the Soviet Union, the propagandists on both sides of the conflict portrayed the struggle in stark, Manichaean language. The totalitarian nature of both regimes made this inevitable. On one side stood Hitler, fascism, the myth of German supremacy; on the other side stood Stalin, communism, and the international proletarian revolution. —Anne Applebaum, New York Review of Books, 25 Oct. 2007
    Origin of FASCISM
    Italian fascismo, from fascio bundle, fasces, group, from Latin fascis bundle & fasces fasces
    First Known Use: 1921
    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism

    …………………………….

    Fascism
    For these and other reasons, there is no universally accepted definition of fascism. Nevertheless, it is possible to identify a number of general characteristics that fascist movements between 1922 and 1945 tended to have in common.

    Despite the fascists’ violent opposition to Marxism, some observers have noted significant similarities between fascism and Soviet communism.
    Both were mass movements, both emerged in the years following World War I in circumstances of political turmoil and economic collapse, both sought to create totalitarian systems after they came to power (and often concealed their totalitarian ambitions beforehand), and both employed terror and violence without scruple when it was expedient to do so.
    http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/202210/fascism

    Full Definition of FASCISM
    1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
    2: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control ‘early instances of army fascism and brutality — J. W. Aldridge’
    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism

  • Torcer

    Full Definition of FASCISM
    1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
    2: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control early instances of army fascism and brutality — J. W. Aldridge
    Examples of FASCISM
    the rise of Fascism in Europe before World War II
    From the first hours of Hitler’s invasion of the Soviet Union, the propagandists on both sides of the conflict portrayed the struggle in stark, Manichaean language. The totalitarian nature of both regimes made this inevitable. On one side stood Hitler, fascism, the myth of German supremacy; on the other side stood Stalin, communism, and the international proletarian revolution. —Anne Applebaum, New York Review of Books, 25 Oct. 2007
    Origin of FASCISM
    Italian fascismo, from fascio bundle, fasces, group, from Latin fascis bundle & fasces fasces
    First Known Use: 1921
    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism

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    Fascism
    For these and other reasons, there is no universally accepted definition of fascism. Nevertheless, it is possible to identify a number of general characteristics that fascist movements between 1922 and 1945 tended to have in common.

    Despite the fascists’ violent opposition to Marxism, some observers have noted significant similarities between fascism and Soviet communism.
    Both were mass movements, both emerged in the years following World War I in circumstances of political turmoil and economic collapse, both sought to create totalitarian systems after they came to power (and often concealed their totalitarian ambitions beforehand), and both employed terror and violence without scruple when it was expedient to do so.
    http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/202210/fascism

    Full Definition of FASCISM
    1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
    2: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control ‘early instances of army fascism and brutality — J. W. Aldridge’
    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism

  • Torcer

    Let’s recap these events:

    1. You erroneous accused

  • Torcer

    Let’s recap these events:

    1. You erroneous accused:

    bklynguy
    And you are a real national socialist if you support Trump.
    http://www.dailystormer.com/
    https://disqus.com/home/discussion/thehill-v4/clinton_world_stunned_by_trump_remarks/#comment-2424734813

    And you utterly FAILED to back up that accusation with REAL FACTS.
    2. Then you tried using various red herring dodges to coverup your baseless accusations:

    bklynguy

    With all due respect, I have spent my adult life studying politics and have forgotten more about Nazism than you will ever know. Did you check out the website? Did you not see than actual Nazis, not fictional Leftist Nazis, have endorsed Trump? You think you know something about Nazism? Then tell me who Gregor Strasser was. Who were Baron Alfried von Krupp and Fritz Thyssen and what was their relationship to Hitler? And while we’re at it, why don’t you tell me where the terms Left and Right came from. Try to answer these questions without Googling them and then tell me how much you know.
    https://disqus.com/home/discussion/thehill-v4/clinton_world_stunned_by_trump_remarks/#comment-2425013910

    Why don’t you first check out the definition of the word Socialist and explain where I advocated that failed ideology:

    Definition of socialism
    a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole. policy or practice based on the political and economic theory of socialism.
    (in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of Communism.
    http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/socialism

    Be sure to include plenty EXCERPTS and Links from authentic reference sites in your answer.

    3. Then you once again FAILED to explain your Extraordinary claim that Socialist Worker’s party WASN’T a Socialist Worker’s party is an Extraordinary claim.
    Again, Where is your extraordinary evidence to back up this Extraordinary claim?

    You could write a term paper filled with BS about propaganda or the North Korea red herring but if that is the extent of your ‘evidence’ it falls way short of being ‘extraordinary’.

    Noting that once again you have FAILED to provide any sort of evidence in the form of EXCERPTS and Links from authentic reference sites to bolster your Extraordinary assertions aside from some irrelevant red herrings.

    So before we go on, you will be required to furnish proof of you assertions and I will refer back to this post each time you try to dodge the question.

    Since you claim superior knowledge on the subject matter “With all due respect, I have spent my adult life studying politics and have forgotten more about Nazism than you will ever know.”

    It should be quite easy for you to find this proof and post it here.
    Your utter FAILURE to do so only confirms my assertions.

  • Torcer

    One slightly off topic comment:
    When was the last time the national Socialist Left became all concerned with the persecution of gun owners and NRA members after a mass shooting?

  • Torcer

    One slightly off topic comment:

    When was the last time the national Socialist Left became all concerned with persecution and ‘hate speech’ against gun owners and NRA members after a mass shooting?

  • Torcer

    The objective observer can plainly see that I have based my argument on verifiable Factual information while your is merely a regurgitation of the same baseless and spurious assertions time and again.

  • Torcer

    The objective observer can plainly see that I have based my argument on verifiable Factual information while your is merely a regurgitation of the same baseless and spurious assertions time and again.

  • Torcer

    #BS #Biden
    #Colorado
    #Confiscation #CommonsenseCivilRightofArmedSelfDefense
    #Destruction of Liberty via the TWL scam
    #Flashback
    #GlobalCooling
    #Hillary #Hillary Scandals
    #illegal Invasion
    #insanity
    #Islamic Invasion
    #Loss of Liberty
    #Muslim – Taqiyya
    #national Socialist Left # National Socialist Media
    #Obama #Obamacare
    #ObamasAbuGhraib
    #Socialism=FAILURE
    #Reference
    #RefugeesWelcome
    #Surrender Acquiescing Party
    #Reference
    #Technology
    #Terrorism
    #Venezuela

  • Torcer

    SCRATCH PAD national Socialist agenda Left
    #AnsTheQuestionPlease #StillWaitingForAnAnswer

    #Comrade Clinton
    #GunSense Boot #MomsDemand from #everytown
    #CommonsenseCivilRightofArmedSelfDefense
    #DemocraticNationalCommunistparty
    #IllegalInvasion #nationalSocialistLeft #NationalSocialistMedia #NoAmnesty
    #SisterPatriots #SOSVzla #teaparty #tcot
    #Venezuela those on the national socialist left
    #GlobalCooling #GunSense≠sense#2a #tcot #ccot #pjnet #NRA
    Boot #MomsDemand from #everytown ad hominem
    #IntergalacticBackgroundChecks
    Be sure to include plenty EXCERPTS and Links from authentic reference sites in your erstwhile answer.
    Democratic national socialist party
    National Socialist American Workers Party

    National Socialist American Workers Party


    Find the image on the web you wish to post. Right click on the image, scroll down the list and click on “properties.” In the box that opens up, highlight the address next to “Address (URL)”, then press CTRL+c to copy the URL.
    #You May Be A Communard If… https://shar.es/1cLr1w via @sharethis

  • Torcer

    “When you have made evil the means of survival, do not expect men to remain good. Do not expect them to stay moral and lose their lives for the purpose of becoming the fodder of the immoral. Do not expect them to produce, when production is punished and looting rewarded.”

    Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand

    “When you have made evil the means of survival, do not expect men to remain good. Do not expect them to stay moral and lose their lives for the purpose of becoming the fodder of the immoral. Do not expect them to produce, when production is punished and looting rewarded.”

    Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand

  • Torcer

    #BS #Biden
    #Colorado
    #Confiscation #CommonsenseCivilRightofArmedSelfDefense
    #Destruction of Liberty via the TWL scam
    #Flashback
    #GlobalCooling
    #Hillary #Hillary Scandals
    #illegal Invasion
    #insanity
    #Islamic Invasion
    #Loss of Liberty
    #Muslim – Taqiyya
    #national Socialist Left # National Socialist Media
    #Obama #Obamacare
    #ObamasAbuGhraib
    #Socialism=FAILURE
    #Reference
    #RefugeesWelcome
    #Surrender Acquiescing Party
    #Reference
    #Technology
    #Terrorism
    #Venezuela

  • Torcer

    SCRATCH PAD national Socialist agenda Left
    #AnsTheQuestionPlease #StillWaitingForAnAnswer

    #Comrade Clinton
    #GunSense Boot #MomsDemand from #everytown
    #CommonsenseCivilRightofArmedSelfDefense
    #DemocraticNationalCommunistparty
    #IllegalInvasion #nationalSocialistLeft #NationalSocialistMedia #NoAmnesty
    #SisterPatriots #SOSVzla #teaparty #tcot
    #Venezuela those on the national socialist left
    #GlobalCooling #GunSense≠sense#2a #tcot #ccot #pjnet #NRA
    Boot #MomsDemand from #everytown ad hominem
    #IntergalacticBackgroundChecks
    Be sure to include plenty EXCERPTS and Links from authentic reference sites in your erstwhile answer.
    Democratic national socialist party
    National Socialist American Workers Party

    National Socialist American Workers Party


    Find the image on the web you wish to post. Right click on the image, scroll down the list and click on “properties.” In the box that opens up, highlight the address next to “Address (URL)”, then press CTRL+c to copy the URL.
    #You May Be A Communard If… https://shar.es/1cLr1w via @sharethis

  • Torcer

    “When you have made evil the means of survival, do not expect men to remain good. Do not expect them to stay moral and lose their lives for the purpose of becoming the fodder of the immoral. Do not expect them to produce, when production is punished and looting rewarded.”

    Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand

    “When you have made evil the means of survival, do not expect men to remain good. Do not expect them to stay moral and lose their lives for the purpose of becoming the fodder of the immoral. Do not expect them to produce, when production is punished and looting rewarded.”

    Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand

  • Torcer

    I find myself at a loss as to why people like yourself are reticent to actually learn. Here you have been given an opportunity to read, comprehend and learn the factual information if have presented and you apparently cannot make it past the first step in the process. On top of which you expect others to somehow prove YOUR points for YOU.

    As a teacher in the process, I deal in factual information, not the incessant regurgitation of various unsubstantiated assertions.

    As an aside it should really bother you that you have failed several ties to actually back up your assertions with factual information.

    bklynguy: You display ignorance of the basic history of Nazism

    It’s quite odd that you would assert this given your lack of presenting any factual information to bolster your claims.

    Too many times I have come across the same tactics by those on the national socialist left.

    1. First and foremost there is the extreme lack of factual data to back up their assertions.

    2. Then there is use of long diatribes regurgitating the same claims without any supporting documentation in the form of excerpts and links to authentic reference sites.

    3. Then of course is the exception that other prove your points for you.

    So, let’s go back to the beginning of the argument so that each of these baseless assertions can eviscerated in order.

    You along with others have made the extraordinary claim that a Socialist organization wasn’t actually a Socialist organization.
    [Parenthetically, others have made the same claim with regard to the USSR and other socialist organizations, so this is not endemic to German Socialists]
    But you failed to present factual data from authoritative references on the matter. And of course there is the usual tactic of attempting to gloss over this extraordinary claim based on unsubstantiated assertions.

    I had hoped that you would be different and finally produce the elusive and extraordinary evidence that makes those on the left believe this. But as others have failed to, you tried to fall back on unsubstantiated talking points that failed to prove anything.

    So, think of this as your first lesson – I have presented the reality of the situation that you need to learn and understand and perhaps you will refrain from making such baseless claims in the future.

    As the teacher, I presented the facts you need to learn. If you disagree with the reality of history, it is incumbent on YOU as the student to find the proper research materials, extract the relevant portions that bolster your claim and present them in the form of an excerpt.

    This is your first task and you first test on the material.

    Think of this as a Socratic exercise in somehow proving your baseless assertions. IF you cannot find the proper references that bolster your assertions YOU should take this as a sign that the rest of your belief system is also in error.

    You may be taking my tone as being a bit harsh – that is not the intent. The intent is to teach you the facts based on the Socratic method.
    Now, off you go – find the extraordinary materials that bolsters your as yet unproven assertions and when you fail to do so, think of this a life lesson.

    Then we can proceed on with the factual destruction of the other spurious assertions.

    Don’t bother wasting your time writing longer and longer factual vacant diatribes that in turn also fail to present factual information. Your time as the student would be much better served by researching the subject matter and presenting your findings – IF you can find anything that backs up what you are claiming.

    You can expect me to repeat this test for your until you past it, then we can proceed onward to factually eviscerate your other baseless assertions.

    I find the need to forewarn you that you will not get away with trying to gloss over one of the biggest extraordinary claims form history.

    Merely trying to pretend a baseless assertion is a fact will not fly in this case.

    Again, before we proceed with eviscerating your other claims, you will have to prove this one.

    IF you cannot accomplish this task, that should inform you the veracity of your beliefs.

    ………………………….

    If those items supposedly prove your point, WHY have you not researched them yourself and posted the relevant portions for all to see?

  • Torcer

    I find myself at a loss as to why people like yourself are reticent to actually learn. Here you have been given an opportunity to read, comprehend and learn the factual information I have presented and you apparently cannot make it past the first step in the process. On top of which you expect others to somehow prove YOUR points for YOU.

    As a teacher in the process, I deal in factual information, not the incessant regurgitation of various unsubstantiated assertions.

    As an aside it should really bother you that you have failed several ties to actually back up your assertions with factual information.

    bklynguy: You display ignorance of the basic history of Nazism

    It’s quite odd that you would assert this given your lack of presenting any factual information to bolster your claims.

    Too many times I have come across the same tactics by those on the national socialist left.

    1. First and foremost there is the extreme lack of factual data to back up their assertions.

    2. Then there is use of long diatribes regurgitating the same claims without any supporting documentation in the form of excerpts and links to authentic reference sites.

    3. Then of course is the exception that other prove your points for you.

    So, let’s go back to the beginning of the argument so that each of these baseless assertions can eviscerated in order.

    You along with others have made the extraordinary claim that a Socialist organization wasn’t actually a Socialist organization.
    [Parenthetically, others have made the same claim with regard to the USSR and other socialist organizations, so this is not endemic to German Socialists]
    But you failed to present factual data from authoritative references on the matter. And of course there is the usual tactic of attempting to gloss over this extraordinary claim based on unsubstantiated assertions.

    I had hoped that you would be different and finally produce the elusive and extraordinary evidence that makes those on the left believe this. But as others have failed to, you tried to fall back on unsubstantiated talking points that failed to prove anything.

    So, think of this as your first lesson – I have presented the reality of the situation that you need to learn and understand and perhaps you will refrain from making such baseless claims in the future.

    As the teacher, I presented the facts you need to learn. If you disagree with the reality of history, it is incumbent on YOU as the student to find the proper research materials, extract the relevant portions that bolster your claim and present them in the form of an excerpt.

    This is your first task and you first test on the material.

    Think of this as a Socratic exercise in somehow proving your baseless assertions. IF you cannot find the proper references that bolster your assertions YOU should take this as a sign that the rest of your belief system is also in error.

    You may be taking my tone as being a bit harsh – that is not the intent. The intent is to teach you the facts based on the Socratic method.
    Now, off you go – find the extraordinary materials that bolsters your as yet unproven assertions and when you fail to do so, think of this a life lesson.

    Then we can proceed on with the factual destruction of the other spurious assertions.

    Don’t bother wasting your time writing longer and longer factual vacant diatribes that in turn also fail to present factual information. Your time as the student would be much better served by researching the subject matter and presenting your findings – IF you can find anything that backs up what you are claiming.

    You can expect me to repeat this test for your until you past it, then we can proceed onward to factually eviscerate your other baseless assertions.

    I find the need to forewarn you that you will not get away with trying to gloss over one of the biggest extraordinary claims form history.

    Merely trying to pretend a baseless assertion is a fact will not fly in this case.

    Again, before we proceed with eviscerating your other claims, you will have to prove this one.

    IF you cannot accomplish this task, that should inform you the veracity of your beliefs.

    ………………………….

    If those items supposedly prove your point, WHY have you not researched them yourself and posted the relevant portions for all to see?

  • Torcer

    bklynguy You’ve proven my point, Torcer.

    Ah yes, the intellectually disingenuous method of pretending someone stated something that they haven’t. I would ask that you quote where specially stated that but since you won’t be able to accomplish that task you will simply ignore that as you have with other ‘inconvenient’ truths

    bklynguy The Nazis were posing as socialists because most blue collar Germans were socialist.

    Based on what FACTS?
    Be sure to include plenty EXCERPTS and Links from authentic reference sites in your answer.

    bklynguy I have noticed you never cite to an acknowledged expert like William Shirer or Alan Bullock. Do you even know who these people are or are you going to demand I cite some references to prove they actually exist?
    https://disqus.com/home/discussion/thehill-v4/clinton_world_stunned_by_trump_remarks/#comment-2429943094

    Again, YOU have to do your own research to prove YOUR points.

    It should speak volumes that you have yet to do so.

    But as the teacher, I am attempting to have you question your belief system since you have yet to back it up with REAL factual information.

  • Torcer

    bklynguy You’ve proven my point, Torcer.

    Ah yes, the intellectually disingenuous method of pretending someone stated something that they haven’t. I would ask that you quote where specially stated that but since you won’t be able to accomplish that task you will simply ignore that as you have with other ‘inconvenient’ truths

    bklynguy The Nazis were posing as socialists because most blue collar Germans were socialist.

    Based on what FACTS?
    Be sure to include plenty EXCERPTS and Links from authentic reference sites in your answer.

    bklynguy I have noticed you never cite to an acknowledged expert like William Shirer or Alan Bullock. Do you even know who these people are or are you going to demand I cite some references to prove they actually exist?
    https://disqus.com/home/discussion/thehill-v4/clinton_world_stunned_by_trump_remarks/#comment-2429943094

    Again, YOU have to do your own research to prove YOUR points.

    It should speak volumes that you have yet to do so.

    But as the teacher, I am attempting to have you question your belief system since you have yet to back it up with REAL factual information.

  • Torcer

    bklynguy Torcer, you are being obtuse, not to mention arrogant with your accusations that my argument isn’t factually based. You think I just made up Gregor Strasser, Baron von Krupp and Thyssen? Are these fictional characters? Would I have to produce certified copies of their birth certificates to prove they existed? The fact is I have backed up every one of my assertions with facts.
    https://disqus.com/home/discussion/thehill-v4/clinton_world_stunned_by_trump_remarks/#comment-2429896141

    And of course we see the all to common tactic of the national Socialist Left of sinking into the gutter issuing childish invective in a vain attempt at bolstering a flagging intellectual argument.

    You claim to have

    bklynguy: The fact is I have backed up every one of my assertions with facts. https://disqus.com/home/discussion/thehill-v4/clinton_world_stunned_by_trump_remarks/#comment-2429896141

    Where?

    Facts would include EXCERPTS and Links from authentic reference sites in your answers
    Where have you done this?
    Unless you can re-post said EXCERPTS and Links from authentic reference sites you will be shown to the rest of the class to be woefully incorrect.

    So let’s see those supposed facts you’ve presented..

  • Torcer

    bklynguy Torcer, you are being obtuse, not to mention arrogant with your accusations that my argument isn’t factually based. You think I just made up Gregor Strasser, Baron von Krupp and Thyssen? Are these fictional characters? Would I have to produce certified copies of their birth certificates to prove they existed? The fact is I have backed up every one of my assertions with facts.
    https://disqus.com/home/discussion/thehill-v4/clinton_world_stunned_by_trump_remarks/#comment-2429896141

    And of course we see the all to common tactic of the national Socialist Left of sinking into the gutter issuing childish invective in a vain attempt at bolstering a flagging intellectual argument.

    You claim to have

    bklynguy: The fact is I have backed up every one of my assertions with facts. https://disqus.com/home/discussion/thehill-v4/clinton_world_stunned_by_trump_remarks/#comment-2429896141

    Where?

    Facts would include EXCERPTS and Links from authentic reference sites in your answers
    Where have you done this?
    Unless you can re-post said EXCERPTS and Links from authentic reference sites you will be shown to the rest of the class to be woefully incorrect.

    So let’s see those supposed facts you’ve presented..

  • Torcer

    Socialism’s Prescient Critics
    https://fee.org/freeman/socialisms-prescient-critics/

    Socialism’s Prescient Critics
    There is a good case to be made that the birth and spread of totalitarian socialism defines the twentieth century more than anything else. That is not what most schoolchildren are taught or what most people in the West believe, but it is a justifiable conclusion. Not only was totalitarian socialism directly responsible for provoking the bloodiest war in history; it has also been the biggest single cause of internal repression and mass murder in modern times.

    According to The Black Book of Communism (1999), at least 94 million people were slaughtered by communist regimes during the twentieth century. This is a truly colossal figure, yet that’s the lowest estimate. Professor R. J. Rummel, in his landmark study, Death by Government (1996), puts the death toll from communism at over 105 million—and his detailed calculations do not include the human cost of communism in most of Eastern Europe or in Third World countries like Cuba and Mozambique. Even so, his figure is double the total number of casualties (military and civilian) killed on all sides during World War II.

    The full horror of this totalitarian socialist holocaust cannot, of course, be adequately conveyed by these grim statistics. Behind them lies a desolate landscape of economic collapse, mass poverty, physical and mental torture, and broken lives and communities. In fact nothing illustrates the destructive impact of totalitarian socialism more vividly than the tsunami of refugees it has generated in every continent on which it has taken root. Between 1945 and 1990 over 29 million men, women, and children voted against communism with their feet in Asia, Africa, Europe, and Latin America (For details and sources see my book Idealism Without Illusions: A Foreign Policy for Freedom, 1989). Had it not been for the land mines, border guards, and barbed wire lining their frontiers, the world’s communist states would have been emptied of their populations long before the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989.
    Totalitarian Logic
    What provoked this vast tide of human despair? What was it that made life intolerable for most of the inhabitants of these socialist countries? The greatest Russian writer of the last century has given us the answer. To quote Alexander Solzhenitsyn: “Socialism begins by making all men equal in material matters. . . . However the logical progression towards so-called ‘ideal’ equality inevitably implies the use of force. Furthermore it means that the basic element of personality—those elements which display too much variety in terms of education, ability, thought and feeling—must themselves be leveled out. . . . Let me remind you that ‘forced labour’ is part of the programme of all prophets of Socialism, including the Communist Manifesto [1848]. There is no need to think of the Gulag Archipelago as an Asiatic distortion of a noble ideal. It is an irrevocable law” (Warning to the Western World).
    https://fee.org/freeman/socialisms-prescient-critics/

  • Torcer

    “Democratic” Socialism of Bernie Sanders Is Still Socialism
    Central Planning Will Misallocate Resources, Whether Voted On or Not
    Bernie Sanders, the Vermont senator and Democratic presidential candidate, is a self-proclaimed socialist.

    But not a Soviet Union, Cuban, or Maoist socialist, the sort that piled up 100 million corpses throughout the 20th century. He does not mean that the state should directly own and control the factors of production. That kind of socialism has been shown to inevitably end in failure, collapse, and famine.

    Nor is he a national socialist, of the type exemplified by the Nazi Party, or Mussolini’s Italy, whereby the factors of production were nominally privately owned, but de facto orchestrated by the state — the system commonly known as fascism.

    Bernie Sanders is a “democratic” socialist. Naturally, the adjective democratic should be enough to salvage even the most destructive of political and economic ideologies, shouldn’t it? After all, people voted on it, right? What does Bernie Sanders mean by democratic socialism?

    A democratic socialist believes that the wealth earned by private industry is not created, but stolen off the backs of the hard-working laborers. He believes in crude nationalism and mercantilism, that corporations are more beholden to individuals in the same political and geographic region than to their shareholders, customers, and employees, wherever on the earth they may reside. He believes in economic democracy, the notion that the majority can vote to steal the property of a minority. Why seize the means of production, when you can leave other people to produce everything, and then just take it afterwards?

    But democracy is not a way to distribute resources, because the non-producing majority will always vote for access to other people’s wealth. Nor is it a way to produce wealth. The worker-owned and -operated co-ops that Marx and Sanders would like to see supplant the corporate structure are almost comically inefficient. Democracy may be the least bad system for distributing political power, but it is woefully inadequate for running an industrialized civilization.
    http://blog.panampost.com/rachel-rodriguez/2015/09/08/democratic-socialism-of-bernie-sanders-is-still-socialism/

  • Torcer

    Scholarly book presents ‘hidden history’ of Nazi ‘gun control’
    Would Nazi Germany’s systematic enslavement and extermination policies have gone unchallenged by victim populations if the Third Reich had not imposed and expanded on the “gun control” edicts of the Weimar Republic?

    “A skeptic could surmise that a better-armed populace might have made no difference,” the overview for “Gun Control in the Third Reich: Disarming the Jews and ‘Enemies of the State’” observes, “but the National Socialist regime certainly did not think so — it ruthlessly suppressed firearm ownership by disfavored groups.”

    Written by author and attorney Stephen P. Halbrook, “a Research Fellow with the Independent Institute who has argued and won three constitutional law cases before the U.S. Supreme Court,” the book, “based on newly-discovered, secret documents from German archives, diaries and newspapers of the time … presents the definitive, yet hidden history of how the Nazi regime made use of gun control to disarm and repress its enemies and consolidate power.” http://www.examiner.com/article/scholarly-book-presents-hidden-history-of-nazi-gun-control

  • Torcer

    Socialism’s Prescient Critics
    https://fee.org/freeman/socialisms-prescient-critics/

    Socialism’s Prescient Critics
    There is a good case to be made that the birth and spread of totalitarian socialism defines the twentieth century more than anything else. That is not what most schoolchildren are taught or what most people in the West believe, but it is a justifiable conclusion. Not only was totalitarian socialism directly responsible for provoking the bloodiest war in history; it has also been the biggest single cause of internal repression and mass murder in modern times.

    According to The Black Book of Communism (1999), at least 94 million people were slaughtered by communist regimes during the twentieth century. This is a truly colossal figure, yet that’s the lowest estimate. Professor R. J. Rummel, in his landmark study, Death by Government (1996), puts the death toll from communism at over 105 million—and his detailed calculations do not include the human cost of communism in most of Eastern Europe or in Third World countries like Cuba and Mozambique. Even so, his figure is double the total number of casualties (military and civilian) killed on all sides during World War II.

    The full horror of this totalitarian socialist holocaust cannot, of course, be adequately conveyed by these grim statistics. Behind them lies a desolate landscape of economic collapse, mass poverty, physical and mental torture, and broken lives and communities. In fact nothing illustrates the destructive impact of totalitarian socialism more vividly than the tsunami of refugees it has generated in every continent on which it has taken root. Between 1945 and 1990 over 29 million men, women, and children voted against communism with their feet in Asia, Africa, Europe, and Latin America (For details and sources see my book Idealism Without Illusions: A Foreign Policy for Freedom, 1989). Had it not been for the land mines, border guards, and barbed wire lining their frontiers, the world’s communist states would have been emptied of their populations long before the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989.
    Totalitarian Logic
    What provoked this vast tide of human despair? What was it that made life intolerable for most of the inhabitants of these socialist countries? The greatest Russian writer of the last century has given us the answer. To quote Alexander Solzhenitsyn: “Socialism begins by making all men equal in material matters. . . . However the logical progression towards so-called ‘ideal’ equality inevitably implies the use of force. Furthermore it means that the basic element of personality—those elements which display too much variety in terms of education, ability, thought and feeling—must themselves be leveled out. . . . Let me remind you that ‘forced labour’ is part of the programme of all prophets of Socialism, including the Communist Manifesto [1848]. There is no need to think of the Gulag Archipelago as an Asiatic distortion of a noble ideal. It is an irrevocable law” (Warning to the Western World).
    https://fee.org/freeman/socialisms-prescient-critics/

  • Torcer

    “Democratic” Socialism of Bernie Sanders Is Still Socialism
    Central Planning Will Misallocate Resources, Whether Voted On or Not
    Bernie Sanders, the Vermont senator and Democratic presidential candidate, is a self-proclaimed socialist.

    But not a Soviet Union, Cuban, or Maoist socialist, the sort that piled up 100 million corpses throughout the 20th century. He does not mean that the state should directly own and control the factors of production. That kind of socialism has been shown to inevitably end in failure, collapse, and famine.

    Nor is he a national socialist, of the type exemplified by the Nazi Party, or Mussolini’s Italy, whereby the factors of production were nominally privately owned, but de facto orchestrated by the state — the system commonly known as fascism.

    Bernie Sanders is a “democratic” socialist. Naturally, the adjective democratic should be enough to salvage even the most destructive of political and economic ideologies, shouldn’t it? After all, people voted on it, right? What does Bernie Sanders mean by democratic socialism?

    A democratic socialist believes that the wealth earned by private industry is not created, but stolen off the backs of the hard-working laborers. He believes in crude nationalism and mercantilism, that corporations are more beholden to individuals in the same political and geographic region than to their shareholders, customers, and employees, wherever on the earth they may reside. He believes in economic democracy, the notion that the majority can vote to steal the property of a minority. Why seize the means of production, when you can leave other people to produce everything, and then just take it afterwards?

    But democracy is not a way to distribute resources, because the non-producing majority will always vote for access to other people’s wealth. Nor is it a way to produce wealth. The worker-owned and -operated co-ops that Marx and Sanders would like to see supplant the corporate structure are almost comically inefficient. Democracy may be the least bad system for distributing political power, but it is woefully inadequate for running an industrialized civilization.
    http://blog.panampost.com/rachel-rodriguez/2015/09/08/democratic-socialism-of-bernie-sanders-is-still-socialism/

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    Scholarly book presents ‘hidden history’ of Nazi ‘gun control’
    Would Nazi Germany’s systematic enslavement and extermination policies have gone unchallenged by victim populations if the Third Reich had not imposed and expanded on the “gun control” edicts of the Weimar Republic?

    “A skeptic could surmise that a better-armed populace might have made no difference,” the overview for “Gun Control in the Third Reich: Disarming the Jews and ‘Enemies of the State’” observes, “but the National Socialist regime certainly did not think so — it ruthlessly suppressed firearm ownership by disfavored groups.”

    Written by author and attorney Stephen P. Halbrook, “a Research Fellow with the Independent Institute who has argued and won three constitutional law cases before the U.S. Supreme Court,” the book, “based on newly-discovered, secret documents from German archives, diaries and newspapers of the time … presents the definitive, yet hidden history of how the Nazi regime made use of gun control to disarm and repress its enemies and consolidate power.” http://www.examiner.com/article/scholarly-book-presents-hidden-history-of-nazi-gun-control

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    Hitler and the socialist dream
    He declared that ‘national socialism was based on Marx’ Socialists have always disowned him. But a new book insists that he was, at heart, a left-winger

    George Watson
    Sunday 22 November 1998
    It is now clear beyond all reasonable doubt that Hitler and his associates believed they were socialists, and that others, including democratic socialists, thought so too. The title of National Socialism was not hypocritical. The evidence before 1945 was more private than public, which is perhaps significant in itself. In public Hitler was always anti-Marxist, and in an age in which the Soviet Union was the only socialist state on earth, and with anti-Bolshevism a large part of his popular appeal, he may have been understandably reluctant to speak openly of his sources. His megalomania, in any case, would have prevented him from calling himself anyone’s disciple. That led to an odd and paradoxical alliance between modern historians and the mind of a dead dictator. Many recent analysts have fastidiously refused to study the mind of Hitler; and they accept, as unquestioningly as many Nazis did in the 1930s, the slogan “Crusade against Marxism” as a summary of his views. An age in which fascism has become a term of abuse is unlikely to analyse it profoundly.

    His private conversations, however, though they do not overturn his reputation as an anti-Communist, qualify it heavily. Hermann Rauschning, for example, a Danzig Nazi who knew Hitler before and after his accession to power in 1933, tells how in private Hitler acknowledged his profound debt to the Marxian tradition. “I have learned a great deal from Marxism” he once remarked, “as I do not hesitate to admit”. He was proud of a knowledge of Marxist texts acquired in his student days before the First World War and later in a Bavarian prison, in 1924, after the failure of the Munich putsch. The trouble with Weimar Republic politicians, he told Otto Wagener at much the same time, was that “they had never even read Marx”, implying that no one who had failed to read so important an author could even begin to understand the modern world; in consequence, he went on, they imagined that the October revolution in 1917 had been “a private Russian affair”, whereas in fact it had changed the whole course of human history! His differences with the communists, he explained, were less ideological than tactical. German communists he had known before he took power, he told Rauschning, thought politics meant talking and writing. They were mere pamphleteers, whereas “I have put into practice what these peddlers and pen pushers have timidly begun”, adding revealingly that “the whole of National Socialism” was based on Marx.
    http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/hitler-and-the-socialist-dream-1186455.html

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    Hitler and the socialist dream
    He declared that ‘national socialism was based on Marx’ Socialists have always disowned him. But a new book insists that he was, at heart, a left-winger

    George Watson
    Sunday 22 November 1998
    It is now clear beyond all reasonable doubt that Hitler and his associates believed they were socialists, and that others, including democratic socialists, thought so too. The title of National Socialism was not hypocritical. The evidence before 1945 was more private than public, which is perhaps significant in itself. In public Hitler was always anti-Marxist, and in an age in which the Soviet Union was the only socialist state on earth, and with anti-Bolshevism a large part of his popular appeal, he may have been understandably reluctant to speak openly of his sources. His megalomania, in any case, would have prevented him from calling himself anyone’s disciple. That led to an odd and paradoxical alliance between modern historians and the mind of a dead dictator. Many recent analysts have fastidiously refused to study the mind of Hitler; and they accept, as unquestioningly as many Nazis did in the 1930s, the slogan “Crusade against Marxism” as a summary of his views. An age in which fascism has become a term of abuse is unlikely to analyse it profoundly.

    His private conversations, however, though they do not overturn his reputation as an anti-Communist, qualify it heavily. Hermann Rauschning, for example, a Danzig Nazi who knew Hitler before and after his accession to power in 1933, tells how in private Hitler acknowledged his profound debt to the Marxian tradition. “I have learned a great deal from Marxism” he once remarked, “as I do not hesitate to admit”. He was proud of a knowledge of Marxist texts acquired in his student days before the First World War and later in a Bavarian prison, in 1924, after the failure of the Munich putsch. The trouble with Weimar Republic politicians, he told Otto Wagener at much the same time, was that “they had never even read Marx”, implying that no one who had failed to read so important an author could even begin to understand the modern world; in consequence, he went on, they imagined that the October revolution in 1917 had been “a private Russian affair”, whereas in fact it had changed the whole course of human history! His differences with the communists, he explained, were less ideological than tactical. German communists he had known before he took power, he told Rauschning, thought politics meant talking and writing. They were mere pamphleteers, whereas “I have put into practice what these peddlers and pen pushers have timidly begun”, adding revealingly that “the whole of National Socialism” was based on Marx.
    http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/hitler-and-the-socialist-dream-1186455.html

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    “The Founding Fathers knew a government can’t control the economy
    without controlling people. And they knew when a government sets out to
    do that, it must use force and coercion to achieve its purpose.“
    Ronald Reagan

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    “The Founding Fathers knew a government can’t control the economy
    without controlling people. And they knew when a government sets out to
    do that, it must use force and coercion to achieve its purpose.“
    Ronald Reagan

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    “A lie told often enough becomes the truth.” Lenin

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    “A lie told often enough becomes the truth.” Lenin

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    Let’s address the a Socialist [German Workers’ Party]) were conservative – as incongruous as that is:

    Nazi
    German Nationalsozialistische [deutsche Arbeiter-Partei] (National Socialist [German Workers’ Party])
    The American Heritage® Abbreviations Dictionary, Third Edition

    Definition of CONSERVATISM
    1capitalized
    a : the principles and policies of a Conservative party
    b : the Conservative party
    2 a : disposition in politics to preserve what is established
    b : a political philosophy based on tradition and social stability, stressing established institutions, and preferring gradual development to abrupt change; specifically : such a philosophy calling for lower taxes, limited government regulation of business and investing, a strong national defense, and individual financial responsibility for personal needs (as retirement income or health-care coverage)
    3: the tendency to prefer an existing or traditional situation to change
    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/conservatism


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    Definition of conservative
    2 (in a political context) favouring free enterprise, private ownership, and socially conservative ideas.
    Informal true blue
    Origin
    late Middle English (in the sense ‘aiming to preserve’): from late Latin conservativus, from conservat- ‘conserved’, from the verb conservare (see conserve). Current senses date from the mid 19th century.
    http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/conservative?

    conservatism
    belief in the value of established and traditional practices in politics and society

    dislike of change or new ideas in a particular area
    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/conservatism

    Clinton World stunned by Trump remarks
    http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/264056-clinton-world-stunned-by-trump-remarks

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    Let’s address the a Socialist [German Workers’ Party]) were conservative – as incongruous as that is:

    Nazi
    German Nationalsozialistische [deutsche Arbeiter-Partei] (National Socialist [German Workers’ Party])
    The American Heritage® Abbreviations Dictionary, Third Edition

    Definition of CONSERVATISM
    1capitalized
    a : the principles and policies of a Conservative party
    b : the Conservative party
    2 a : disposition in politics to preserve what is established
    b : a political philosophy based on tradition and social stability, stressing established institutions, and preferring gradual development to abrupt change; specifically : such a philosophy calling for lower taxes, limited government regulation of business and investing, a strong national defense, and individual financial responsibility for personal needs (as retirement income or health-care coverage)
    3: the tendency to prefer an existing or traditional situation to change
    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/conservatism


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    Definition of conservative
    2 (in a political context) favouring free enterprise, private ownership, and socially conservative ideas.
    Informal true blue
    Origin
    late Middle English (in the sense ‘aiming to preserve’): from late Latin conservativus, from conservat- ‘conserved’, from the verb conservare (see conserve). Current senses date from the mid 19th century.
    http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/conservative?

    conservatism
    belief in the value of established and traditional practices in politics and society

    dislike of change or new ideas in a particular area
    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/conservatism

    Clinton World stunned by Trump remarks
    http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/264056-clinton-world-stunned-by-trump-remarks

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    Definition of right wing
    (the right wing)
    1The conservative or reactionary section of a political party or system:
    a candidate from the right wing of the party
    [With reference to the National Assembly in France (1789–91), where the nobles sat to the president’s right and the commons to the left]
    http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/right-wing via @OxfordWords

    right wing: the part of a political group that consists of people who support conservative or traditional ideas and policies : the part of a political group that belongs to or supports the Right
    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/right%20wing

    Full Definition of RIGHT WING
    1: the rightist division of a group or party
    2: right
    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/right%20wing

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    Definition of right
    1 Morally good, justified, or acceptable
    2True or correct as a fact
    2.1 [predicative] Correct in one’s opinion or judgement
    2.2 According to what is correct for a particular situation
    2.3Best or most appropriate for a particular situation
    2.4Socially fashionable or important
    3 [predicative] In a satisfactory, sound, or normal state or condition
    4On, towards, or relating to the side of a human body or of a thing which is to the east when the person or thing is facing north
    5 [attributive] British informal Complete; absolute (used for emphasis)
    6 Relating to a person or group favouring conservative views:
    are you politically right, left, or centre?
    1 [mass noun] That which is morally correct, just, or honourable
    2A moral or legal entitlement to have or do something
    4 (often the Right) [treated as singular or plural] A group or party favouring conservative views and supporting capitalist principles:
    the Right got in at the election
    his proposal was viewed with alarm by the right of the party
    1.2 Used as a filler in speech or to introduce an utterance or exhortation:
    right, let’s have a drink
    and I didn’t think any more of it, right, but Mum said I should take him to a doctor
    Origin
    Old English riht (adjective and noun), rihtan (verb), rihte (adverb), of Germanic origin; related to Latin rectus ‘ruled’, from an Indo-European root denoting movement in a straight line.
    http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/right

    right
    : morally or socially correct or acceptable

    : agreeing with the facts or truth : accurate or correct

    : speaking, acting, or judging in a way that agrees with the facts or truth
    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/right

    Full Definition of RIGHT
    1: righteous, upright
    2: being in accordance with what is just, good, or proper ‘right conduct’
    3: conforming to facts or truth : correct ‘the right answer’
    4: suitable, appropriate ‘the right man for the job’
    5: straight ‘a right line’
    6: genuine, real
    7a : of, relating to, situated on, or being the side of the body which is away from the side on which the heart is mostly located
    b : located nearer to the right hand than to the left
    c : located to the right of an observer facing the object specified or directed as the right arm would point when raised out to the side
    d (1) : located on the right of an observer facing in the same direction as the object specified ‘stage right’ (2) : located on the right when facing downstream ‘the right bank of a river’
    e : done with the right hand ‘a right hook to the jaw’
    8: having the axis perpendicular to the base ‘right cone’
    9
    : of, relating to, or constituting the principal or more prominent side of an object ‘made sure the socks were right side out’
    10
    : acting or judging in accordance with truth or fact ‘time proved her right’
    11
    a : being in good physical or mental health or order ‘not in his right mind’
    b : being in a correct or proper state ‘put things right’
    12
    : most favorable or desired : preferable; also : socially acceptable ‘knew all the right people’
    13
    often capitalized : of, adhering to, or constituted by the Right especially in politics
    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/right

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    Definition of right wing
    (the right wing)
    1The conservative or reactionary section of a political party or system:
    a candidate from the right wing of the party
    [With reference to the National Assembly in France (1789–91), where the nobles sat to the president’s right and the commons to the left]
    http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/right-wing via @OxfordWords

    right wing: the part of a political group that consists of people who support conservative or traditional ideas and policies : the part of a political group that belongs to or supports the Right
    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/right%20wing

    Full Definition of RIGHT WING
    1: the rightist division of a group or party
    2: right
    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/right%20wing

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    Definition of right
    1 Morally good, justified, or acceptable
    2True or correct as a fact
    2.1 [predicative] Correct in one’s opinion or judgement
    2.2 According to what is correct for a particular situation
    2.3Best or most appropriate for a particular situation
    2.4Socially fashionable or important
    3 [predicative] In a satisfactory, sound, or normal state or condition
    4On, towards, or relating to the side of a human body or of a thing which is to the east when the person or thing is facing north
    5 [attributive] British informal Complete; absolute (used for emphasis)
    6 Relating to a person or group favouring conservative views:
    are you politically right, left, or centre?
    1 [mass noun] That which is morally correct, just, or honourable
    2A moral or legal entitlement to have or do something
    4 (often the Right) [treated as singular or plural] A group or party favouring conservative views and supporting capitalist principles:
    the Right got in at the election
    his proposal was viewed with alarm by the right of the party
    1.2 Used as a filler in speech or to introduce an utterance or exhortation:
    right, let’s have a drink
    and I didn’t think any more of it, right, but Mum said I should take him to a doctor
    Origin
    Old English riht (adjective and noun), rihtan (verb), rihte (adverb), of Germanic origin; related to Latin rectus ‘ruled’, from an Indo-European root denoting movement in a straight line.
    http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/right

    right
    : morally or socially correct or acceptable

    : agreeing with the facts or truth : accurate or correct

    : speaking, acting, or judging in a way that agrees with the facts or truth
    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/right

    Full Definition of RIGHT
    1: righteous, upright
    2: being in accordance with what is just, good, or proper ‘right conduct’
    3: conforming to facts or truth : correct ‘the right answer’
    4: suitable, appropriate ‘the right man for the job’
    5: straight ‘a right line’
    6: genuine, real
    7a : of, relating to, situated on, or being the side of the body which is away from the side on which the heart is mostly located
    b : located nearer to the right hand than to the left
    c : located to the right of an observer facing the object specified or directed as the right arm would point when raised out to the side
    d (1) : located on the right of an observer facing in the same direction as the object specified ‘stage right’ (2) : located on the right when facing downstream ‘the right bank of a river’
    e : done with the right hand ‘a right hook to the jaw’
    8: having the axis perpendicular to the base ‘right cone’
    9
    : of, relating to, or constituting the principal or more prominent side of an object ‘made sure the socks were right side out’
    10
    : acting or judging in accordance with truth or fact ‘time proved her right’
    11
    a : being in good physical or mental health or order ‘not in his right mind’
    b : being in a correct or proper state ‘put things right’
    12
    : most favorable or desired : preferable; also : socially acceptable ‘knew all the right people’
    13
    often capitalized : of, adhering to, or constituted by the Right especially in politics
    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/right

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    Let’s address the Socialist German Workers’ Party were supposedly ‘conservative’ – as absolutly incongruous as that is:

    Nazi
    German Nationalsozialistische [deutsche Arbeiter-Partei] (National Socialist [German Workers’ Party])
    The American Heritage® Abbreviations Dictionary, Third Edition

    Full Definition of RIGHT
    1: righteous, upright
    often capitalized : of, adhering to, or constituted by the Right especially in politics
    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/right

    Definition of CONSERVATISM
    1capitalized
    a : the principles and policies of a Conservative party
    b : the Conservative party
    2 a : disposition in politics to preserve what is established
    b : a political philosophy based on tradition and social stability, stressing established institutions, and preferring gradual development to abrupt change; specifically : such a philosophy calling for lower taxes, limited government regulation of business and investing, a strong national defense, and individual financial responsibility for personal needs (as retirement income or health-care coverage)
    3: the tendency to prefer an existing or traditional situation to change
    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/conservatism


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    Definition of conservative
    2 (in a political context) favouring free enterprise, private ownership, and socially conservative ideas.
    Informal true blue
    Origin
    late Middle English (in the sense ‘aiming to preserve’): from late Latin conservativus, from conservat- ‘conserved’, from the verb conservare (see conserve). Current senses date from the mid 19th century.
    http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/conservative?

    conservatism
    belief in the value of established and traditional practices in politics and society

    dislike of change or new ideas in a particular area
    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/conservatism

    Clinton World stunned by Trump remarks
    http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/264056-clinton-world-stunned-by-trump-remarks

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    Let’s address the spurious assertion that the Socialist German Workers’ Party were supposedly ‘conservative’ – as absolutly incongruous as that is:

    Nazi
    German Nationalsozialistische [deutsche Arbeiter-Partei] (National Socialist [German Workers’ Party])
    The American Heritage® Abbreviations Dictionary, Third Edition

    Full Definition of RIGHT
    1: righteous, upright
    often capitalized : of, adhering to, or constituted by the Right especially in politics
    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/right

    right wing: the part of a political group that consists of people who support conservative or traditional ideas and policies : the part of a political group that belongs to or supports the Right
    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/right%20wing

    It should obvious that Right=Conservative

    Definition of CONSERVATISM
    1capitalized
    a : the principles and policies of a Conservative party
    b : the Conservative party
    2 a : disposition in politics to preserve what is established
    b : a political philosophy based on tradition and social stability, stressing established institutions, and preferring gradual development to abrupt change; specifically : such a philosophy calling for lower taxes, limited government regulation of business and investing, a strong national defense, and individual financial responsibility for personal needs (as retirement income or health-care coverage)
    3: the tendency to prefer an existing or traditional situation to change
    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/conservatism


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    Definition of conservative
    2 (in a political context) favouring free enterprise, private ownership, and socially conservative ideas.
    Informal true blue
    Origin
    late Middle English (in the sense ‘aiming to preserve’): from late Latin conservativus, from conservat- ‘conserved’, from the verb conservare (see conserve). Current senses date from the mid 19th century.
    http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/conservative?

    conservatism
    belief in the value of established and traditional practices in politics and society

    dislike of change or new ideas in a particular area
    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/conservatism

    Clinton World stunned by Trump remarks
    http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/264056-clinton-world-stunned-by-trump-remarks

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    Definition of conservative
    2 (in a political context) favouring free enterprise, private ownership, and socially conservative ideas.
    Informal true blue
    Origin
    late Middle English (in the sense ‘aiming to preserve’): from late Latin conservativus, from conservat- ‘conserved’, from the verb conservare (see conserve). Current senses date from the mid 19th century.
    http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/conservative?

    conservatism
    belief in the value of established and traditional practices in politics and society

    dislike of change or new ideas in a particular area
    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/conservatism

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    Definition of conservative
    2 (in a political context) favouring free enterprise, private ownership, and socially conservative ideas.
    Informal true blue
    Origin
    late Middle English (in the sense ‘aiming to preserve’): from late Latin conservativus, from conservat- ‘conserved’, from the verb conservare (see conserve). Current senses date from the mid 19th century.
    http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/conservative?

    conservatism
    belief in the value of established and traditional practices in politics and society

    dislike of change or new ideas in a particular area
    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/conservatism

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    #BS #Biden
    #Colorado
    #Confiscation #CommonsenseCivilRightofArmedSelfDefense
    #Destruction of Liberty via the TWL scam
    #Flashback
    #GlobalCooling
    #Hillary #Hillary Scandals
    #illegal Invasion
    #insanity
    #Islamic Invasion
    #Loss of Liberty
    #Muslim – Taqiyya
    #national Socialist Left # National Socialist Media
    #Obama #Obamacare
    #ObamasAbuGhraib
    #Socialism=FAILURE
    #Reference
    #RefugeesWelcome
    #Surrender Acquiescing Party
    #Reference
    #Technology
    #Terrorism
    #Venezuela

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    #BS #Biden
    #Colorado
    #Confiscation #CommonsenseCivilRightofArmedSelfDefense
    #Destruction of Liberty via the TWL scam
    #Flashback
    #GlobalCooling
    #Hillary #Hillary Scandals
    #illegal Invasion
    #insanity
    #Islamic Invasion
    #Loss of Liberty
    #Muslim – Taqiyya
    #national Socialist Left # National Socialist Media
    #Obama #Obamacare
    #ObamasAbuGhraib
    #Socialism=FAILURE
    #Reference
    #RefugeesWelcome
    #Surrender Acquiescing Party
    #Reference
    #Technology
    #Terrorism
    #Venezuela

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    SCRATCH PAD national Socialist Left
    #AnsTheQuestionPlease #StillWaitingForAnAnswer
    national Socialist agenda Left
    #Comrade Clinton
    #GunSense Boot #MomsDemand from #everytown
    #CommonsenseCivilRightofArmedSelfDefense
    #DemocraticNationalCommunistparty
    #IllegalInvasion #nationalSocialistLeft #NationalSocialistMedia #NoAmnesty
    #SisterPatriots #SOSVzla #teaparty #tcot
    #Venezuela those on the national socialist left
    #GlobalCooling #GunSense≠sense#2a #tcot #ccot #pjnet #NRA
    Boot #MomsDemand from #everytown ad hominem
    #IntergalacticBackgroundChecks
    Be sure to include plenty EXCERPTS and Links from authentic reference sites in your answer.
    Democratic national socialist party
    National Socialist American Workers Party

    National Socialist American Workers Party


    Find the image on the web you wish to post. Right click on the image, scroll down the list and click on “properties.” In the box that opens up, highlight the address next to “Address (URL)”, then press CTRL+c to copy the URL.
    #You May Be A Communard If… https://shar.es/1cLr1w via @sharethis

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    If Obama and Comrade Clinton don’t have to obey the law, why should anyone else?

    It’s almost like if you’re not going to control the border, there is no point in trying to control guns.

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    SCRATCH PAD national Socialist Left
    #AnsTheQuestionPlease #StillWaitingForAnAnswer
    national Socialist agenda Left
    #Comrade Clinton
    #GunSense Boot #MomsDemand from #everytown
    #CommonsenseCivilRightofArmedSelfDefense
    #DemocraticNationalCommunistparty
    #IllegalInvasion #nationalSocialistLeft #NationalSocialistMedia #NoAmnesty
    #SisterPatriots #SOSVzla #teaparty #tcot
    #Venezuela those on the national socialist left
    #GlobalCooling #GunSense≠sense#2a #tcot #ccot #pjnet #NRA
    Boot #MomsDemand from #everytown ad hominem
    #IntergalacticBackgroundChecks
    Be sure to include plenty EXCERPTS and Links from authentic reference sites in your answer.
    Democratic national socialist party
    National Socialist American Workers Party

    National Socialist American Workers Party


    Find the image on the web you wish to post. Right click on the image, scroll down the list and click on “properties.” In the box that opens up, highlight the address next to “Address (URL)”, then press CTRL+c to copy the URL.
    #You May Be A Communard If… https://shar.es/1cLr1w via @sharethis

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    If Obama and Comrade Clinton don’t have to obey the law, why should anyone else?

    It’s almost like if you’re not going to control the border, there is no point in trying to control guns.

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    BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB

    why the gun is civilization.
    https://munchkinwrangler.wordpress.com/2007/03/23/why-the-gun-is-civilization/

    Why would anyone want a firearm? « Hot Air Headlines http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2015/12/31/why-would-anyone-want-a-firearm/ via @hotairblog

    Thoughts For the New Year, by Robert Gore
    http://straightlinelogic.com/2015/12/31/thoughts-for-the-new-year-by-robert-gore/

    SHTF Self-Education Series – From the Library: A review of “Special Forces – Guerilla Warfare Manual”
    http://stopshouting.blogspot.com/2015/12/shtf-self-education-series-from-library.html#more

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    BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB

    why the gun is civilization.
    https://munchkinwrangler.wordpress.com/2007/03/23/why-the-gun-is-civilization/

    Why would anyone want a firearm? « Hot Air Headlines http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2015/12/31/why-would-anyone-want-a-firearm/ via @hotairblog

    Thoughts For the New Year, by Robert Gore
    http://straightlinelogic.com/2015/12/31/thoughts-for-the-new-year-by-robert-gore/

    SHTF Self-Education Series – From the Library: A review of “Special Forces – Guerilla Warfare Manual”
    http://stopshouting.blogspot.com/2015/12/shtf-self-education-series-from-library.html#more

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    You may not like guns.
    That is your right.
    You may not believe in God.
    That is your Choice.
    But if someone breaks into your home, the first two things
    You are going to do are…
    1) Call someone with a gun.
    2) Pray they get there in time.

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    You may not like guns.
    That is your right.
    You may not believe in God.
    That is your Choice.
    But if someone breaks into your home, the first two things
    You are going to do are…
    1) Call someone with a gun.
    2) Pray they get there in time.

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    “Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property
    of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they
    put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon
    absolved from any farther obedience,
    and are left to the common refuge
    which God hath provided for all men against force and violence.” -John
    Locke

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    By the way – ‘Refusal to acknowledge an unacceptable truth’ is a sign of psychosis

    Definition of denial
    1The action of denying something
    1.1 [count noun] A statement that something is not true
    1.2The refusal of something requested or desired
    1.3 Refusal to acknowledge an unacceptable truth or emotion or to admit it into consciousness, used as a defence mechanism:
    ‘I was an addict in denial’
    https://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/denial

    Definition of psychosis
    A severe mental disorder in which thought and emotions are so impaired that contact is lost with external reality:
    they were suffering from a psychosis
    [mass noun]: the symptoms of psychosis
    Origin
    Mid 19th century: from Greek psukhōsis ‘animation’, from psukhoō ‘I give life to’, from psukhē ‘soul, mind’.
    http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/psychosis

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    “Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property
    of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they
    put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon
    absolved from any farther obedience,
    and are left to the common refuge
    which God hath provided for all men against force and violence.” -John
    Locke

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    By the way – ‘Refusal to acknowledge an unacceptable truth’ is a sign of psychosis

    Definition of denial
    1The action of denying something
    1.1 [count noun] A statement that something is not true
    1.2The refusal of something requested or desired
    1.3 Refusal to acknowledge an unacceptable truth or emotion or to admit it into consciousness, used as a defence mechanism:
    ‘I was an addict in denial’
    https://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/denial

    Definition of psychosis
    A severe mental disorder in which thought and emotions are so impaired that contact is lost with external reality:
    they were suffering from a psychosis
    [mass noun]: the symptoms of psychosis
    Origin
    Mid 19th century: from Greek psukhōsis ‘animation’, from psukhoō ‘I give life to’, from psukhē ‘soul, mind’.
    http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/psychosis

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    Datos, ne quisquam seruiat, enses. (The sword was given for this, that none need live a slave.) – Marcus Annaeus Lucanus
    …………………………….
    “Inside Every Liberal Is A Totalitarian Screaming to Get Out.”
    ……………………..
    One man with a gun can control 100 without one. Vladimir Lenin
    …………………………….
    Character is destiny. – Heraclitus
    ………………………………..
    A lie told often enough becomes the truth. Lenin
    …………………………….
    “Democracy is the worst form of government except for all those others that have been tried.” Winston Churchill
    …………………………….
    Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
    Albert Einstein

    …………………………….
    “If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey, he is obligated to do so.” – Thomas Jefferson
    …………………………….
    “Leave no authority existing not responsible to the people,” -Thomas Jefferson.
    …………………………….
    Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. – Robert Heinlein
    …………………………….
    “Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God.” Thomas Jefferson
    …………………………….
    If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace. – Thomas Paine
    …………………………….
    Never waste a good crisis Hillary Clinton
    …………………………….
    “We want them registered” – Nancy Pelosi
    …………………………….
    Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt. — Mark Twain
    ……………………………..
    “You never want a serious crisis to go to waste,” Rahm Emanuel.
    “This crisis provides the opportunity for us to do things that you could not do before.”
    ……………………………..
    “Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.” George Santayana
    ……………………………..
    Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it. – Thomas Sowell
    ……………………………..
    The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. H.L. Menkin
    …………………………….
    I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery – Thomas Jefferson
    …………………………….
    “It takes considerable knowledge just to realize the extent of your own ignorance.” –Thomas Sowell
    …………………………….
    Distrust all men in whom the impulse to punish is powerful. – Friedrich Nietzsche
    …………………………….
    “If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull.” W. C. Fields
    ……………………………………
    There is no such dichotomy as “human rights” versus “property rights.”
    No human rights can exist without property rights. – Ayn Rand

    ………………………………………….
    “There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle.” – Albert Einstein
    ………………………………………….
    The possession of arms is the distinction between a freeman and a slave. – James Burgh, 1774
    ………………………………………….
    From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.
    Karl Marx

    ………………………………………….
    “You cannot have a proud and chivalrous spirit if your conduct is mean
    and paltry; for whatever a man’s actions are, such must be his spirit.”
    Demosthenes, Third Olynthiac

    …………………………………………….
    I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty, than those attending too small a degree of it. -Thomas Jefferson

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    Datos, ne quisquam seruiat, enses. (The sword was given for this, that none need live a slave.) – Marcus Annaeus Lucanus
    …………………………….
    “Inside Every Liberal Is A Totalitarian Screaming to Get Out.”
    ……………………..
    One man with a gun can control 100 without one. Vladimir Lenin
    …………………………….
    Character is destiny. – Heraclitus
    ………………………………..
    A lie told often enough becomes the truth. Lenin
    …………………………….
    “Democracy is the worst form of government except for all those others that have been tried.” Winston Churchill
    …………………………….
    Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
    Albert Einstein

    …………………………….
    “If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey, he is obligated to do so.” – Thomas Jefferson
    …………………………….
    “Leave no authority existing not responsible to the people,” -Thomas Jefferson.
    …………………………….
    Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. – Robert Heinlein
    …………………………….
    “Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God.” Thomas Jefferson
    …………………………….
    If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace. – Thomas Paine
    …………………………….
    Never waste a good crisis Hillary Clinton
    …………………………….
    “We want them registered” – Nancy Pelosi
    …………………………….
    Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt. — Mark Twain
    ……………………………..
    “You never want a serious crisis to go to waste,” Rahm Emanuel.
    “This crisis provides the opportunity for us to do things that you could not do before.”
    ……………………………..
    “Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.” George Santayana
    ……………………………..
    Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it. – Thomas Sowell
    ……………………………..
    The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. H.L. Menkin
    …………………………….
    I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery – Thomas Jefferson
    …………………………….
    “It takes considerable knowledge just to realize the extent of your own ignorance.” –Thomas Sowell
    …………………………….
    Distrust all men in whom the impulse to punish is powerful. – Friedrich Nietzsche
    …………………………….
    “If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull.” W. C. Fields
    ……………………………………
    There is no such dichotomy as “human rights” versus “property rights.”
    No human rights can exist without property rights. – Ayn Rand

    ………………………………………….
    “There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle.” – Albert Einstein
    ………………………………………….
    The possession of arms is the distinction between a freeman and a slave. – James Burgh, 1774
    ………………………………………….
    From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.
    Karl Marx

    ………………………………………….
    “You cannot have a proud and chivalrous spirit if your conduct is mean
    and paltry; for whatever a man’s actions are, such must be his spirit.”
    Demosthenes, Third Olynthiac

    …………………………………………….
    I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty, than those attending too small a degree of it. -Thomas Jefferson

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    The Dude

    Oh, this is sad indeed. I’m actually not denying any of your the references. I’m just not acknowledging them at all.

    I’ve come to the conclusion after your second dodge of the alien light-saber question you cannot offer any reliable information of substance.
    https://disqus.com/home/discussion/thehill-v4/cruz_obama_039most_anti_gun_president039_ever/#comment-2445123634

    It’s rather odd that you should say that since you have no substantive evidence that either exist.
    ………………………………………….

    The Dude

    I agree. Especially those people that deny the truth that the leader of the free world actually isn’t “out to getcha guns and steal your liberties”. You have developed a very strong talent of copy/pasting internet sources into comment sections though, kudos on that.

    The tally is now at 3 dodges of the alien light-saber question.
    https://disqus.com/home/discussion/thehill-v4/cruz_obama_039most_anti_gun_president039_ever/#comment-2445311058

    What is your point on the light saber distraction you keep on pushing?

    I’ve presented facts that prove Obama and his comrades dearly want to confiscate guns.

    Such has been obvious for years now, they have merly let the mask slip, so what is the point in denying the obvious?
    —————————-

    The Dude

    “Intergalactic Background Checks” Are you telling me this is going outer planetary? I wasn’t paying attention to you until now, your craziness was other worldly. But now it all makes sense! Extraterrestrial life confirmed! Man I am excited now! I can’t wait to see the outlawed grey aliens laser blasters. Wait, are there light-sabers? Holy #$%@ please tell me they have light-sabers!!!
    https://disqus.com/home/discussion/thehill-v4/cruz_obama_039most_anti_gun_president039_ever/#comment-2444795521

    ,,,,,,,

    The Dude

    1. Intergalactic checks? Yes! If the alien invasion is imminent @#%@ YES! Most definitely yes if they have laser blasters and light-sabers!

    2. No, not really. I think it’s because I’m not bat s…t crazy. Some conspiracy theorist or politician is turning a nice $ profit by spreading this propaganda though. Profiting off you maybe? I’m the odd one out leaning towards reality I guess.

    3. Seriously though, do theses aliens have light-sabers?
    https://disqus.com/home/discussion/thehill-v4/cruz_obama_039most_anti_gun_president039_ever/#comment-2444987270

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    The Dude

    Oh, this is sad indeed. I’m actually not denying any of your the references. I’m just not acknowledging them at all.

    I’ve come to the conclusion after your second dodge of the alien light-saber question you cannot offer any reliable information of substance.
    https://disqus.com/home/discussion/thehill-v4/cruz_obama_039most_anti_gun_president039_ever/#comment-2445123634

    It’s rather odd that you should say that since you have no substantive evidence that either exist.
    ………………………………………….

    The Dude

    I agree. Especially those people that deny the truth that the leader of the free world actually isn’t “out to getcha guns and steal your liberties”. You have developed a very strong talent of copy/pasting internet sources into comment sections though, kudos on that.

    The tally is now at 3 dodges of the alien light-saber question.
    https://disqus.com/home/discussion/thehill-v4/cruz_obama_039most_anti_gun_president039_ever/#comment-2445311058

    What is your point on the light saber distraction you keep on pushing?

    I’ve presented facts that prove Obama and his comrades dearly want to confiscate guns.

    Such has been obvious for years now, they have merly let the mask slip, so what is the point in denying the obvious?
    —————————-

    The Dude

    “Intergalactic Background Checks” Are you telling me this is going outer planetary? I wasn’t paying attention to you until now, your craziness was other worldly. But now it all makes sense! Extraterrestrial life confirmed! Man I am excited now! I can’t wait to see the outlawed grey aliens laser blasters. Wait, are there light-sabers? Holy #$%@ please tell me they have light-sabers!!!
    https://disqus.com/home/discussion/thehill-v4/cruz_obama_039most_anti_gun_president039_ever/#comment-2444795521

    ,,,,,,,

    The Dude

    1. Intergalactic checks? Yes! If the alien invasion is imminent @#%@ YES! Most definitely yes if they have laser blasters and light-sabers!

    2. No, not really. I think it’s because I’m not bat s…t crazy. Some conspiracy theorist or politician is turning a nice $ profit by spreading this propaganda though. Profiting off you maybe? I’m the odd one out leaning towards reality I guess.

    3. Seriously though, do theses aliens have light-sabers?
    https://disqus.com/home/discussion/thehill-v4/cruz_obama_039most_anti_gun_president039_ever/#comment-2444987270

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    Make no mistake, the national Socialist Left clearly wants to Confiscate guns – one merely has to review what they have said on the subject:

    In response to an inquiry about Australian gun confiscation Comrade Clinton responded:
    “In the Australian example, as I recall, that was a buyback program….. I think it would be worth considering doing it on the national level” Hillary Clinton October 16 2015
    http://www.c-span.org/video/?328774-1/hillary-clinton-town-hall-meeting-keene-new-hampshire&start=2831
    ——–
    December 2012
    How to Ban Guns: A step by step, long term process Dailykos
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/12/21/1172661/-How-to-Ban-Guns-A-step-by-step-long-term-process

    Mr. Cuomo, speaking on WGDJ-AM, said: “Confiscation could be an option.”http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/21/nyregion/cuomo-says-he-will-outline-gun-measures-next-month.html?_r=1&

    June 2014
    “A couple of decades ago, Australia had a mass shooting similar to Columbine or Newtown. And Australia just said, well, that’s it – we’re not seeing that again. And basically imposed very severe, tough gun laws.”
    https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/06/10/remarks-president-qa-david-karp-ceo-tumblr

    October 2015
    “We know that other countries, in response to one mass shooting, have been able to craft laws that almost eliminate mass shootings. Friends of ours, allies of ours – Great Britain, Australia, countries like ours.”
    https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2015/10/01/statement-president-shootings-umpqua-community-college-roseburg-oregon

    May 2014
    You say gun control doesn’t work? Fine. Let’s ban guns LA Times
    http://fw.to/q3NgAlk

    January 2015
    Stop the insanity: Ban guns Tallahassee Democrat
    http://www.tallahassee.com/story/opinion/columnists/ensley/2014/11/22/stop-insanity-ban-guns/19426029/

    July 2015
    Socialist Bernie Sanders Wants To Ban All Self-Defense Firearms
    http://bearingarms.com/socialist-bernie-sanders-wants-ban-self-defense-firearms/

    Effective Gun Control – A National Semi-Auto BanDaily kos
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/10/5/1427845/-Effective-Gun-Control-A-National-Semi-Auto-Ban

    A gun-free society The Washington Post
    http://wapo.st/1LrJxz3

    November 2015
    Yes, They Want to Take Your Guns Away The Daily Beast
    http://thebea.st/1HmJOfM

    December 2015
    We don’t need gun control. We need domestic disarmament Huffingtonpost
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/amitai-etzioni/needed-domestic-disarmame_b_8739712.html

    End the Gun Epidemic in America The New York Times [First Front Page Editorial In 95 Years]
    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/end-the-gun-epidemic-in-america/ar-AAg2dhB?

    It’s Time to Ban Guns. Yes, All of Them New Republic
    https://newrepublic.com/article/125498/its-time-ban-guns-yes-them

    January 2016
    Bernie Sanders backs Obama on gun control
    http://www.msn.com/en-us/video/news/bernie-sanders-backs-obama-on-gun-control/vi-BBo9KN3

    Melissa Harris-Perry Confiscate Legal Guns
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7bSDUIbL9U

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    Make no mistake, the national Socialist Left clearly wants to Confiscate guns – one merely has to review what they have said on the subject:

    In response to an inquiry about Australian gun confiscation Comrade Clinton responded:
    “In the Australian example, as I recall, that was a buyback program….. I think it would be worth considering doing it on the national level” Hillary Clinton October 16 2015
    http://www.c-span.org/video/?328774-1/hillary-clinton-town-hall-meeting-keene-new-hampshire&start=2831
    ——–
    December 2012
    How to Ban Guns: A step by step, long term process Dailykos
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/12/21/1172661/-How-to-Ban-Guns-A-step-by-step-long-term-process

    Mr. Cuomo, speaking on WGDJ-AM, said: “Confiscation could be an option.”http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/21/nyregion/cuomo-says-he-will-outline-gun-measures-next-month.html?_r=1&

    June 2014
    “A couple of decades ago, Australia had a mass shooting similar to Columbine or Newtown. And Australia just said, well, that’s it – we’re not seeing that again. And basically imposed very severe, tough gun laws.”
    https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/06/10/remarks-president-qa-david-karp-ceo-tumblr

    October 2015
    “We know that other countries, in response to one mass shooting, have been able to craft laws that almost eliminate mass shootings. Friends of ours, allies of ours – Great Britain, Australia, countries like ours.”
    https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2015/10/01/statement-president-shootings-umpqua-community-college-roseburg-oregon

    May 2014
    You say gun control doesn’t work? Fine. Let’s ban guns LA Times
    http://fw.to/q3NgAlk

    January 2015
    Stop the insanity: Ban guns Tallahassee Democrat
    http://www.tallahassee.com/story/opinion/columnists/ensley/2014/11/22/stop-insanity-ban-guns/19426029/

    July 2015
    Socialist Bernie Sanders Wants To Ban All Self-Defense Firearms
    http://bearingarms.com/socialist-bernie-sanders-wants-ban-self-defense-firearms/

    Effective Gun Control – A National Semi-Auto BanDaily kos
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/10/5/1427845/-Effective-Gun-Control-A-National-Semi-Auto-Ban

    A gun-free society The Washington Post
    http://wapo.st/1LrJxz3

    November 2015
    Yes, They Want to Take Your Guns Away The Daily Beast
    http://thebea.st/1HmJOfM

    December 2015
    We don’t need gun control. We need domestic disarmament Huffingtonpost
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/amitai-etzioni/needed-domestic-disarmame_b_8739712.html

    End the Gun Epidemic in America The New York Times [First Front Page Editorial In 95 Years]
    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/end-the-gun-epidemic-in-america/ar-AAg2dhB?

    It’s Time to Ban Guns. Yes, All of Them New Republic
    https://newrepublic.com/article/125498/its-time-ban-guns-yes-them

    January 2016
    Bernie Sanders backs Obama on gun control
    http://www.msn.com/en-us/video/news/bernie-sanders-backs-obama-on-gun-control/vi-BBo9KN3

    Melissa Harris-Perry Confiscate Legal Guns
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7bSDUIbL9U

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    Molon Labe Talk of Gun Confiscation reference
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3379859/posts

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    Molon Labe Talk of Gun Confiscation reference
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3379859/posts

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    Tomoba

    No one wants to take your gun away, Goober
    Sheesh…………for a big gun-toting he-man you sure are a whiny little faggot
    https://disqus.com/home/discussion/thefederalist23/on_guns_democrats_have_nothing_left_but_emotion_91/#comment-2446913249

    Well, that LIE is eviscerated by all of those references, or are you denying them as well?

    Actually it’s getting pretty amusing that the best you people can muster is denial, and repetition of the same LIE.

    And of course you have to show your abject lack of intellectual acumen with childish insults.

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    Tomoba

    No one wants to take your gun away, Goober
    Sheesh…………for a big gun-toting he-man you sure are a whiny little faggot
    https://disqus.com/home/discussion/thefederalist23/on_guns_democrats_have_nothing_left_but_emotion_91/#comment-2446913249

    Well, that LIE is eviscerated by all of those references, or are you denying them as well?

    Actually it’s getting pretty amusing that the best you people can muster is denial, and repetition of the same LIE.

    And of course you have to show your abject lack of intellectual acumen with childish insults.

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    Datos, ne quisquam seruiat, enses. (The sword was given for this, that none need live a slave.) – Marcus Annaeus Lucanus
    …………………………….

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    “Inside Every Progressive Is A Totalitarian Screaming to Get Out.”
    ……………………..

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    Synonyms of confiscate
    verb
    the guards confiscated his camera
    impound, seize, commandeer, requisition, appropriate, expropriate, take possession of, sequester, sequestrate, take away, take over, take, annex;
    Law distrain, attach, disseize;
    Scottish Law poind
    https://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english-thesaurus/confiscate?

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    “Inside Every Progressive Is A Totalitarian Screaming to Get Out.”
    ……………………..

    Synonyms for confiscate
    verb steal; seize appropriate expropriate impound commandeer hijack
    annex

    assume
    arrogate
    swipe
    preempt
    sequester
    take

    usurp
    grab
    liberate
    sequestrate
    accroach
    confisticate

    glom on to star
    moonlight requisition star
    possess oneself of star
    take over star

    commandeer
    verb. seize, take over

    accroach
    activate
    annex
    appropriate
    arrogate

    assume
    confiscate
    conscript
    draft
    enslave

    expropriate
    grab
    hijack
    liberate
    moonlight requisition

    preempt
    requisition
    sequester
    sequestrate
    snatch

    take
    usurp
    http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/confiscate?

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    One man with a gun can control 100 without one. Vladimir Lenin
    …………………………….

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    One man with a gun can control 100 without one. Vladimir Lenin
    …………………………….

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    This always elicits a laugh:

    HAGAN CASO. EEUU pide respeto a separación de poderes en
    Venezuela https://t.co/TWYlVDWG1G

    (US calls for respect for the separation of powers in Venezuela )

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    This always elicits a laugh:

    HAGAN CASO. EEUU pide respeto a separación de poderes en
    Venezuela https://t.co/TWYlVDWG1G

    (US calls for respect for the separation of powers in Venezuela )

    HAGAN CASO. EEUU pide respeto a separación de poderes en Venezuela https://t.co/TWYlVDWG1G pic.twitter.com/PkVvSYh1SP— TalCualDigital.com (@DiarioTalCual) January 12, 2016

    (US calls for respect for the separation of powers in Venezuela http://ow.ly/WYg6V )

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    “Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property
    of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they
    put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon
    absolved from any farther obedience, and are left to the common refuge
    which God hath provided for all men against force and violence.” -John
    Locke

    Let’s review recent events shall we?

    1. Comrade Clinton advocated a program that has the end result that the people’s are deprived of means of self defense.

    2. It is entirely irrelevant the labeling of such programs – the results are the important aspect.

    3. You tried to foist the spurious argument that the words used to describe the taking of the people’s means of self defense make some kind of difference in the end result.

    4. When it was established that the program Comrade Clinton had the same result as Confiscation, you kept on trying to pretend that the labeling made a shit of difference.

    about the advocacy of such

    2. You tried to push the baseless argument that s

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    “Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property
    of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they
    put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon
    absolved from any farther obedience, and are left to the common refuge
    which God hath provided for all men against force and violence.” -John
    Locke

    Let’s review recent events shall we?

    1. Comrade Clinton advocated a program that has the end result that the people’s are deprived of means of self defense.

    2. It is entirely irrelevant the labeling of such programs – the results are the important aspect.

    3. You tried to foist the spurious argument that the words used to describe the taking of the people’s means of self defense make some kind of difference in the end result.

    4. When it was established that the program Comrade Clinton had the same result as Confiscation, you kept on trying to pretend that the labeling made a whit of difference when it does not.

    5. Having eviscerated your spurious assertion you keep on trying to incessantly flog the same dead horse as it were.

    Bottom Line: The program Comrade Clinton advocated had the very same results as Confiscation, therefor the labeling for said program is irrelevant and you LOSE the argument.

    But I’m sure you keep on trying to play little games where statements supposedly mean something they don’t.

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    about the advocacy of such

    2. You tried to push the baseless argument that s

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    richard Nice try, but you weren’t referring to Trump. You were referring to his supporters.

    Wow, you YOU get to decide who I was referring to..
    No, it doesn’t work that way.

    richard Now, the last thing I’d like to point to you before this little conversation is concluded, is that I don’t believe for one moment, that you were ever a Trump supporter.

    Really, And how do you know that?

    richard I doubt you’re even a conservative. Why do I say that? Well, while what I’m about to say isn’t scientific in the least, it almost never seems to fail at identifying who the liberals are on Disqus. It’s your negative comments to vote ratio. When I see that someone can’t achieve a 1:1 ratio of comments to votes, they’re always liberals. Don’t believe me? Just hover your cursor over all of the different profiles on this page and you’ll note that they’re all pretty much POSITIVE ratios. And please don’t tell me you spend all of your time on websites that hate your conservative opinions, because I’m buying it.

    And that proves nothing.
    Did it ever occur to you that some people may have references and research posted elsewhere in dealing with the leftists?
    Did it ever occur to you that being tucked away means they are rarely seen and thus are not voted upon.
    And did ever occur to that as someone who care deeply for the future would actually engage the national Socialist Left in debate?
    BTW, How often do YOU do that?

    Why don’t you take the time to actually research something BEFORE making such an incendiary accusation. IF you had, you would have looked at my twitter feed and comments here and discovered my CONSERVATIVE views

    richard Now fuck off.
    https://disqus.com/home/discussion/weaselzippers/huckabee_and_santorum_to_attend_trump_event_weasel_zippers/#comment-2483939145

    1. You had better realize that I do not cotton to nastiness or disingenuous falsehoods.
    2. And You had better be careful in deciding who deciding who you want to attack.

    richard

    Nice try, but you weren’t referring to Trump. You were referring to his supporters. You wrote: “Yes, but there are other out there who are going to take this whole process as a serious matter and not some sort of reality show.”

    How does “other” translate to Donald Trump?

    Now, the last thing I’d like to point to you before this little conversation is concluded, is that I don’t believe for one moment, that you were ever a Trump supporter. I doubt you’re even a conservative. Why do I say that? Well, while what I’m about to say isn’t scientific in the least, it almost never seems to fail at identifying who the liberals are on Disqus. It’s your negative comments to vote ratio. When I see that someone can’t achieve a 1:1 ratio of comments to votes, they’re always liberals. Don’t believe me? Just hover your cursor over all of the different profiles on this page and you’ll note that they’re all pretty much POSITIVE ratios. And please don’t tell me you spend all of your time on websites that hate your conservative opinions, because I’m buying it.

    Now fuck off.
    https://disqus.com/home/discussion/weaselzippers/huckabee_and_santorum_to_attend_trump_event_weasel_zippers/#comment-2483939145

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    richard Nice try, but you weren’t referring to Trump. You were referring to his supporters.

    Wow, you YOU get to decide who I was referring to..
    No, it doesn’t work that way.

    richard Now, the last thing I’d like to point to you before this little conversation is concluded, is that I don’t believe for one moment, that you were ever a Trump supporter.

    Really, And how do you know that?

    richard I doubt you’re even a conservative. Why do I say that? Well, while what I’m about to say isn’t scientific in the least, it almost never seems to fail at identifying who the liberals are on Disqus. It’s your negative comments to vote ratio. When I see that someone can’t achieve a 1:1 ratio of comments to votes, they’re always liberals. Don’t believe me? Just hover your cursor over all of the different profiles on this page and you’ll note that they’re all pretty much POSITIVE ratios. And please don’t tell me you spend all of your time on websites that hate your conservative opinions, because I’m buying it.

    And that proves nothing.
    Did it ever occur to you that some people may have references and research posted elsewhere in dealing with the leftists?
    Did it ever occur to you that being tucked away means they are rarely seen and thus are not voted upon.
    And did ever occur to that as someone who care deeply for the future would actually engage the national Socialist Left in debate?
    BTW, How often do YOU do that?

    Why don’t you take the time to actually research something BEFORE making such an incendiary accusation. IF you had, you would have looked at my twitter feed and comments here and discovered my CONSERVATIVE views

    richard Now fuck off.
    https://disqus.com/home/discussion/weaselzippers/huckabee_and_santorum_to_attend_trump_event_weasel_zippers/#comment-2483939145

    1. You had better realize that I do not cotton to nastiness or disingenuous falsehoods.
    2. And You had better be careful in deciding who deciding who you want to attack.

    richard

    Nice try, but you weren’t referring to Trump. You were referring to his supporters. You wrote: “Yes, but there are other out there who are going to take this whole process as a serious matter and not some sort of reality show.”

    How does “other” translate to Donald Trump?

    Now, the last thing I’d like to point to you before this little conversation is concluded, is that I don’t believe for one moment, that you were ever a Trump supporter. I doubt you’re even a conservative. Why do I say that? Well, while what I’m about to say isn’t scientific in the least, it almost never seems to fail at identifying who the liberals are on Disqus. It’s your negative comments to vote ratio. When I see that someone can’t achieve a 1:1 ratio of comments to votes, they’re always liberals. Don’t believe me? Just hover your cursor over all of the different profiles on this page and you’ll note that they’re all pretty much POSITIVE ratios. And please don’t tell me you spend all of your time on websites that hate your conservative opinions, because I’m buying it.

    Now fuck off.
    https://disqus.com/home/discussion/weaselzippers/huckabee_and_santorum_to_attend_trump_event_weasel_zippers/#comment-2483939145

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    richard Nice try, but you weren’t referring to Trump. You were referring to his supporters.

    Wow, you YOU get to decide who I was referring to..
    No, it doesn’t work that way.

    richard Now, the last thing I’d like to point to you before this little conversation is concluded, is that I don’t believe for one moment, that you were ever a Trump supporter.

    Really, And how do you know that?

    richard I doubt you’re even a conservative. Why do I say that? Well, while what I’m about to say isn’t scientific in the least, it almost never seems to fail at identifying who the liberals are on Disqus. It’s your negative comments to vote ratio. When I see that someone can’t achieve a 1:1 ratio of comments to votes, they’re always liberals. Don’t believe me? Just hover your cursor over all of the different profiles on this page and you’ll note that they’re all pretty much POSITIVE ratios. And please don’t tell me you spend all of your time on websites that hate your conservative opinions, because I’m buying it.

    And that proves nothing.
    Did it ever occur to you that some people may have references and research posted elsewhere in dealing with the leftists?
    Did it ever occur to you that being tucked away means they are rarely seen and thus are not voted upon.
    And did ever occur to that as someone who care deeply for the future would actually engage the national Socialist Left in debate?
    BTW, How often do YOU do that?

    Why don’t you take the time to actually research something BEFORE making such an incendiary accusation. IF you had, you would have looked at my twitter feed and comments here and discovered my CONSERVATIVE views

    richard Now fuck off.
    https://disqus.com/home/discussion/weaselzippers/huckabee_and_santorum_to_attend_trump_event_weasel_zippers/#comment-2483939145

    1. You had better realize that I do not cotton to nastiness or disingenuous falsehoods.
    2. And You had better be careful in deciding who deciding who you want to attack.

    richard

    Nice try, but you weren’t referring to Trump. You were referring to his supporters. You wrote: “Yes, but there are other out there who are going to take this whole process as a serious matter and not some sort of reality show.”

    How does “other” translate to Donald Trump?

    Now, the last thing I’d like to point to you before this little conversation is concluded, is that I don’t believe for one moment, that you were ever a Trump supporter. I doubt you’re even a conservative. Why do I say that? Well, while what I’m about to say isn’t scientific in the least, it almost never seems to fail at identifying who the liberals are on Disqus. It’s your negative comments to vote ratio. When I see that someone can’t achieve a 1:1 ratio of comments to votes, they’re always liberals. Don’t believe me? Just hover your cursor over all of the different profiles on this page and you’ll note that they’re all pretty much POSITIVE ratios. And please don’t tell me you spend all of your time on websites that hate your conservative opinions, because I’m buying it.

    Now fuck off.
    https://disqus.com/home/discussion/weaselzippers/huckabee_and_santorum_to_attend_trump_event_weasel_zippers/#comment-2483939145

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    Who knew?
    Apparently your comments and viewpoints on Disqus and Twitter don’t matter – only your ‘ratio of comments to votes’:

    richard I doubt you’re even a conservative. Why do I say that? Well, while what I’m about to say isn’t scientific in the least, it almost never seems to fail at identifying who the liberals are on Disqus. It’s your negative comments to vote ratio. When I see that someone can’t achieve a 1:1 ratio of comments to votes, they’re always liberals. Don’t believe me? Just hover your cursor over all of the different profiles on this page and you’ll note that they’re all pretty much POSITIVE ratios. And please don’t tell me you spend all of your time on websites that hate your conservative opinions, because I’m buying it.https://disqus.com/home/discussion/weaselzippers/huckabee_and_santorum_to_attend_trump_event_weasel_zippers/#comment-2483939145

    And that proves nothing.
    Did it ever occur to you that some people may have references and research posted elsewhere in dealing with the leftists?
    Did it ever occur to you that being tucked away means they are rarely seen and thus are not voted upon.
    And did ever occur to that as someone who care deeply for the future would actually engage the national Socialist Left in debate?
    BTW, How often do YOU do that?

    Why don’t you take the time to actually research something BEFORE making such an incendiary accusation. IF you had, you would have looked at my twitter feed and comments here and discovered my CONSERVATIVE views.

    And I defy you to look through all of my tweets and find one that supports the national Socialist Left.

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    #BS #Biden #Biden/Obama’16
    #Colorado #Cruz
    #ComradeClinton #ComradeClinton Scandals
    #Confiscation
    #CommonsenseCivilRightofArmedSelfDefense
    #Destruction of Liberty via the TWL scam #Flashback
    #GlobalCooling #illegal Invasion
    #insanity #Islamic Invasion
    #Loss of Liberty #Muslim – Taqiyya
    #national Socialist Left # National Socialist Media
    #Obama #Obamacare
    #Socialism=FAILURE
    #Reference #Respond to later #Technology #Terrorism
    #Venezuela #Trump

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    SCRATCH PAD national Socialist Left
    Be sure to include plenty EXCERPTS and Links from authentic reference sites in your answer.
    Democratic National socialist Committee
    #AnsTheQuestionPlease #StillWaitingForAnAnswer
    national Socialist agenda Left
    #national Socialist Left
    #Comrade Clinton
    #GunSense Boot #MomsDemand from #everytown
    #CommonsenseCivilRightofArmedSelfDefense
    #DemocraticNationalCommunistparty
    #IllegalInvasion #nationalSocialistLeft #NationalSocialistMedia #NoAmnesty
    #SisterPatriots #SOSVzla #teaparty #tcot
    #Venezuela those on the national socialist left
    #GlobalCooling #GunSense≠sense#2a #tcot #ccot #pjnet #NRA
    Boot #MomsDemand from #everytown ad hominem
    #IntergalacticBackgroundChecks

    Democratic national socialist party
    National Socialist American Workers Party

    National Socialist American Workers Party


    Find the image on the web you wish to post. Right click on the image, scroll down the list and click on “properties.” In the box that opens up, highlight the address next to “Address (URL)”, then press CTRL+c to copy the URL.
    #You May Be A Communard If… https://shar.es/1cLr1w via @sharethis

    disingenuously

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    For those who are unfamiliar with the history of Socialism – it is a very OLD ideology that has never worked – Referencing the 1949 publication:

    The Communist Manifesto after 100 years
    The Communist Manifesto, the most famous document in the history of the socialist movement, was written by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels during the latter part of 1847 and the first month of 1848. It was published in February 1848. This appreciation of the Manifesto at the end of its first century is thus more than a year late. This is a case, however, in which we hope our readers will agree with us: better late than never.
    […]
    The first theoretical expression of a genuinely socialist position came in Thomas More’s Utopia, written in the early years of the 16th Century — in other words, at the very threshold of what we call the modern period. But Utopia was the work of an individual genius and not the reflection of a social movement. It was not until the English Civil War, in the middle of the 17th Century, that socialism first began to assume the shape of a social movement.

    Gerrard Winstanley (born 1609, died sometime after 1660) was probably the greatest socialist thinker that the English-speaking countries have yet produced, and the Digger movement which he led was certainly the first practical expression of socialism. But it lasted only a very short time, and the same was true of the movement led by Babeuf during the French Revolution a century and a half later. Meanwhile, quite a number of writers had formulated views of a more or less definitely socialist character.

    But it was not until the 19th Century that socialism became an important public issue and socialists began to play a significant role in the political life of the most advanced European countries. The Utopian socialists (Owen, Fourier, St. Simon) were key figures in this period of emergence; and the Chartist movement in Britain, which flourished during the late 1880s and early 1840s, showed that the new factory working class formed a potentially powerful base for a socialist political party.
    […]
    Marx and Engels began their work of transforming socialism “from Utopia to science” in the early 1840s. In the next few years of profound study and intense discussion they worked out their own new socialist synthesis.
    http://archive.monthlyreview.org/index.php/mr/article/view/MR-001-04-1949-08_2/0

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    SCRATCH PAD national Socialist Left
    Be sure to include plenty EXCERPTS and Links from authentic reference sites in your answer.
    Democratic National socialist Committee
    #AnsTheQuestionPlease #StillWaitingForAnAnswer
    national Socialist agenda Left
    #national Socialist Left
    #Comrade Clinton
    #GunSense Boot #MomsDemand from #everytown
    #CommonsenseCivilRightofArmedSelfDefense
    #DemocraticNationalCommunistparty
    #IllegalInvasion #nationalSocialistLeft #NationalSocialistMedia #NoAmnesty
    #SisterPatriots #SOSVzla #teaparty #tcot
    #Venezuela those on the national socialist left
    #GlobalCooling #GunSense≠sense#2a #tcot #ccot #pjnet #NRA
    Boot #MomsDemand from #everytown ad hominem
    #IntergalacticBackgroundChecks

    Democratic national socialist party
    National Socialist American Workers Party

    National Socialist American Workers Party


    Find the image on the web you wish to post. Right click on the image, scroll down the list and click on “properties.” In the box that opens up, highlight the address next to “Address (URL)”, then press CTRL+c to copy the URL.
    #You May Be A Communard If… https://shar.es/1cLr1w via @sharethis

    disingenuously

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    From now on, if you want to hear how Cruz is an unlikable illegal immigrant from Canada with a nasty disposition who cheated Ben Carson, has run wild like a “maniac” in the Senate, is on the take from Goldman Sachs, and, by the way, is a “pussy,” you’ll have to settle for watching Trump’s rallies or one of his 35 interviews a day on cable news.

    When it comes to ads, he’s all about positivity.

    That didn’t last long:

    Trumpertantrum is LYING about Ted Cruz again on Twitter

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    Cruz caught cold in lie after denial of push polls like lies w/ @RealBenCarson. How can he preach Christian values? http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/donald-trump-ted-cruz-south-carolina-push-polls-219158#ixzz3zuAXvW83
    7:44 PM – 11 Feb 2016

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    From now on, if you want to hear how Cruz is an unlikable illegal immigrant from Canada with a nasty disposition who cheated Ben Carson, has run wild like a “maniac” in the Senate, is on the take from Goldman Sachs, and, by the way, is a “pussy,” you’ll have to settle for watching Trump’s rallies or one of his 35 interviews a day on cable news.

    When it comes to ads, he’s all about positivity.

    That didn’t last long:

    Trumpertantrum is LYING about Ted Cruz again on Twitter

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    Cruz caught cold in lie after denial of push polls like lies w/ @RealBenCarson. How can he preach Christian values? http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/donald-trump-ted-cruz-south-carolina-push-polls-219158#ixzz3zuAXvW83
    7:44 PM – 11 Feb 2016

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    What about the facts about Trump?

    Or do they just spin them to be something else?

    Torcert on February 11, 2016 at 9:48 PM

    ~laughs~ the facts about Trump are well known. We know he is a loud-mouthed crude boor who needs to learn the art of tact. We know he is shady as hell. We know that a lot of folks hate him.

    It isn’t so much a matter of spinning that as it is that we for one reason or another just don’t care. Some people don’t care because they are just so angry they want to let it all burn. Some of us Just don’t like the other candidates. And some of us are looking at it as a way to say F-Off GOPe.

    Personally though i can’t stand the man, i intend to plug my nose and pull the lever for him anyways because in the long run i do not think Cruz or Rubio have a chance in hell of winning against Hillary or Bernie. Too many folks don’t like Rubio for his backstabbing ways , others hate Cruz because he comes off to preachy and holier than though. Trump while hated has mass appeal because even though the rational folks cringe when he opens his mouth to the average American they like the fact that he says what everyone else is to afraid to.

    And if it comes down to it ANY of the 3 are better than Bernie or Hillary.

    katee bayer on February 11, 2016 at 10:00 PM
    http://hotair.com/archives/2016/02/11/surprise-trump-goes-positive-yanks-ad-attacking-cruz-in-south-carolina/comment-page-2/#comment-10528728

  • Torcer

    What about the facts about Trump?

    Or do they just spin them to be something else?

    Torcert on February 11, 2016 at 9:48 PM

    ~laughs~ the facts about Trump are well known. We know he is a loud-mouthed crude boor who needs to learn the art of tact. We know he is shady as hell. We know that a lot of folks hate him.

    It isn’t so much a matter of spinning that as it is that we for one reason or another just don’t care. Some people don’t care because they are just so angry they want to let it all burn. Some of us Just don’t like the other candidates. And some of us are looking at it as a way to say F-Off GOPe.

    Personally though i can’t stand the man, i intend to plug my nose and pull the lever for him anyways because in the long run i do not think Cruz or Rubio have a chance in hell of winning against Hillary or Bernie. Too many folks don’t like Rubio for his backstabbing ways , others hate Cruz because he comes off to preachy and holier than though. Trump while hated has mass appeal because even though the rational folks cringe when he opens his mouth to the average American they like the fact that he says what everyone else is to afraid to.

    And if it comes down to it ANY of the 3 are better than Bernie or Hillary.

    katee bayer on February 11, 2016 at 10:00 PM
    http://hotair.com/archives/2016/02/11/surprise-trump-goes-positive-yanks-ad-attacking-cruz-in-south-carolina/comment-page-2/#comment-10528728

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    ~laughs~ the facts about Trump are well known. We know he is a loud-mouthed crude boor who needs to learn the art of tact. We know he is shady as h….. We know that a lot of folks hate him.

    It isn’t so much a matter of spinning that as it is that we for one reason or another just don’t care. Some people don’t care because they are just so angry they want to let it all burn. Some of us Just don’t like the other candidates. And some of us are looking at it as a way to say F… GOPe.

    Personally though i can’t stand the man, i intend to plug my nose and pull the lever for him anyways because in the long run i do not think Cruz or Rubio have a chance in h…. of winning against Hillary or Bernie. Too many folks don’t like Rubio for his backstabbing ways , others hate Cruz because he comes off to preachy and holier than though. Trump while hated has mass appeal because even though the rational folks cringe when he opens his mouth to the average American they like the fact that he says what everyone else is to afraid to.

    And if it comes down to it ANY of the 3 are better than Bernie or Hillary.

    katee bayer on February 11, 2016 at 10:00 PM
    http://hotair.com/archives/2016/02/11/surprise-trump-goes-positive-yanks-ad-attacking-cruz-in-south-carolina/comment-page-2/#comment-10528728

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    ~laughs~ the facts about Trump are well known. We know he is a loud-mouthed crude boor who needs to learn the art of tact. We know he is shady as h….. We know that a lot of folks hate him.

    It isn’t so much a matter of spinning that as it is that we for one reason or another just don’t care. Some people don’t care because they are just so angry they want to let it all burn. Some of us Just don’t like the other candidates. And some of us are looking at it as a way to say F… GOPe.

    Personally though i can’t stand the man, i intend to plug my nose and pull the lever for him anyways because in the long run i do not think Cruz or Rubio have a chance in h…. of winning against Hillary or Bernie. Too many folks don’t like Rubio for his backstabbing ways , others hate Cruz because he comes off to preachy and holier than though. Trump while hated has mass appeal because even though the rational folks cringe when he opens his mouth to the average American they like the fact that he says what everyone else is to afraid to.

    And if it comes down to it ANY of the 3 are better than Bernie or Hillary.

    katee bayer on February 11, 2016 at 10:00 PM
    http://hotair.com/archives/2016/02/11/surprise-trump-goes-positive-yanks-ad-attacking-cruz-in-south-carolina/comment-page-2/#comment-10528728

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    This is why the danger of Trump
    Why is the NSL supporting the man?

    [repeat to the long trolls]

    Why is the national socialist left pulling for Trump?

    It’s doubtful it’s because they’ve confused his policy positions with Bernie Sanders.

    It’s more like thye know that he will be the aseir st to beat in the general.

    ……………………………………………
    ……………………………………………

    Common traits for how those national socialist left act.

    1. Strawman arguments – these are the weapon of choice is throwing off the debate.

    2. Never answering questions – since they are on the wrong side of history they cannot deal in logic or reality in any way.

    The manner in which they avoid answering questions also indicates their maturity level – or lack thereof.

    In a number of cases they will avoid the issue and write long winded commnets that are meat to diverge the subject and avoid and semblance of logic.

    in other cases they will respond with strawmam responses

    finally some will simply ignore the question and stick to some tangential reponses bereft of any connection to the subject matter or the question asked.

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    This is why the danger of Trump
    Why is the NSL supporting the man?

    [repeat to the long trolls]

    Why is the national socialist left pulling for Trump?

    It’s doubtful it’s because they’ve confused his policy positions with Bernie Sanders.

    It’s more like thye know that he will be the aseir st to beat in the general.

    ……………………………………………
    ……………………………………………

    Common traits for how those national socialist left act.

    1. Strawman arguments – these are the weapon of choice is throwing off the debate.

    2. Never answering questions – since they are on the wrong side of history they cannot deal in logic or reality in any way.

    The manner in which they avoid answering questions also indicates their maturity level – or lack thereof.

    In a number of cases they will avoid the issue and write long winded commnets that are meat to diverge the subject and avoid and semblance of logic.

    in other cases they will respond with strawmam responses

    finally some will simply ignore the question and stick to some tangential reponses bereft of any connection to the subject matter or the question asked.

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    Why is the national socialist left pulling for Trump?

    Over the past few days it has become apparent that unknown commentators on various conservative sites have been plaguing them with the usual tactics endemic to the childish tactics of the national socialist left.

    Such tactics range from Strawman arguments to

    When one asks of their political background the usual responses vary from the issuing of red herring tangents to childish responses bereft of any logic or substance.

    One must ask why are they making this concerted effort to support someone they would seemingly oppose?

    Well, there are several reasons – now of which should engender any encouragement of their actions.

    1. They recognize a ‘fellow traveler’ when they see it – some where not surprises when Trump say some very similar characteristics with Bernie Sanders.

    2. They see Trump as a very flawed individual who they see being easy to beat by the national socialist presidential candidate from the left.

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    SCRATCH PAD national Socialist Left
    Be sure to include plenty EXCERPTS and Links from authentic reference sites in your answer.
    Democratic National socialist Committee
    #AnsTheQuestionPlease #StillWaitingForAnAnswer
    national Socialist agenda Left
    #national Socialist Left
    #Comrade Clinton
    #GunSense Boot #MomsDemand from #everytown
    #CommonsenseCivilRightofArmedSelfDefense
    #DemocraticNationalCommunistparty
    #IllegalInvasion #nationalSocialistLeft #NationalSocialistMedia #NoAmnesty
    #SisterPatriots #SOSVzla #teaparty #tcot
    #Venezuela those on the national socialist left
    #GlobalCooling #GunSense≠sense#2a #tcot #ccot #pjnet #NRA
    Boot #MomsDemand from #everytown ad hominem
    #IntergalacticBackgroundChecks

    #TedCruz! #CruzCrew #PJNET

    Democratic national socialist party
    National Socialist American Workers Party
    National Socialist American Workers Party

    Find the image on the web you wish to post. Right click on the image, scroll down the list and click on “properties.” In the box that opens up, highlight the address next to “Address (URL)”, then press CTRL+c to copy the URL.
    #You May Be A Communard If… https://shar.es/1cLr1w via @sharethis
    disingenuously
    ad hominem

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    Getaclue
    If you continue to harass me about answering this, because I already told you I am not going to answer.. I will report you to a mod. You are acting like a fascist demanding that I answer your identification question.
    https://disqus.com/home/discussion/weaselzippers/friday_open_thread_weasel_zippers_938/#comment-2525286734

    https://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/3237/5169/original.jpg

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    #BS #Biden #Biden/Obama’16
    #Colorado #Cruz
    #ComradeClinton #ComradeClinton Scandals
    #Confiscation
    #CommonsenseCivilRightofArmedSelfDefense
    #Destruction of Liberty via the TWL scam #Flashback
    #GlobalCooling #illegal Invasion
    #insanity #Islamic Invasion
    #Loss of Liberty #Muslim – Taqiyya
    #national Socialist Left # National Socialist Media
    #Obama #Obamacare
    #Socialism=FAILURE
    #Reference #Respond to later #Technology #Terrorism
    #Venezuela #Trump

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    SCRATCH PAD national Socialist Left
    Be sure to include plenty EXCERPTS and Links from authentic reference sites in your answer.
    Democratic National socialist Committee
    #AnsTheQuestionPlease #StillWaitingForAnAnswer
    national Socialist agenda Left
    #national Socialist Left
    #Comrade Clinton
    #GunSense Boot #MomsDemand from #everytown
    #CommonsenseCivilRightofArmedSelfDefense
    #DemocraticNationalCommunistparty
    #IllegalInvasion #nationalSocialistLeft #NationalSocialistMedia #NoAmnesty
    #SisterPatriots #SOSVzla #teaparty #tcot
    #Venezuela those on the national socialist left
    #GlobalCooling #GunSense≠sense#2a #tcot #ccot #pjnet #NRA
    Boot #MomsDemand from #everytown ad hominem
    #IntergalacticBackgroundChecks

    #TedCruz! #CruzCrew #PJNET

    Democratic national socialist party
    National Socialist American Workers Party
    National Socialist American Workers Party

    Find the image on the web you wish to post. Right click on the image, scroll down the list and click on “properties.” In the box that opens up, highlight the address next to “Address (URL)”, then press CTRL+c to copy the URL.
    #You May Be A Communard If… https://shar.es/1cLr1w via @sharethis
    disingenuously
    ad hominem

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    Every Communist must grasp the truth that political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.
    -Mao Zedong

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    #BS #Biden #Biden/Obama’16
    #Colorado #Cruz
    #ComradeClinton #ComradeClinton Scandals
    #Confiscation
    #CommonsenseCivilRightofArmedSelfDefense
    #Destruction of Liberty via the TWL scam #Flashback
    #GlobalCooling #illegal Invasion
    #insanity #Islamic Invasion
    #Loss of Liberty #Muslim – Taqiyya
    #national Socialist Left # National Socialist Media
    #Obama #Obamacare
    #Socialism=FAILURE
    #Reference #Respond to later #Technology #Terrorism
    #Venezuela #Trump

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    SCRATCH PAD national Socialist Left
    Be sure to include plenty EXCERPTS and Links from authentic reference sites in your answer.
    Democratic National socialist Committee
    #AnsTheQuestionPlease #StillWaitingForAnAnswer
    national Socialist agenda Left
    #national Socialist Left
    #Comrade Clinton
    #GunSense Boot #MomsDemand from #everytown
    #CommonsenseCivilRightofArmedSelfDefense
    #DemocraticNationalCommunistparty
    #IllegalInvasion #nationalSocialistLeft #NationalSocialistMedia #NoAmnesty
    #SisterPatriots #SOSVzla #teaparty #tcot
    #Venezuela those on the national socialist left
    #GlobalCooling #GunSense≠sense#2a #tcot #ccot #pjnet #NRA
    Boot #MomsDemand from #everytown ad hominem
    #IntergalacticBackgroundChecks

    #TedCruz! #CruzCrew #PJNET

    Democratic national socialist party
    National Socialist American Workers Party
    National Socialist American Workers Party

    Find the image on the web you wish to post. Right click on the image, scroll down the list and click on “properties.” In the box that opens up, highlight the address next to “Address (URL)”, then press CTRL+c to copy the URL.
    #You May Be A Communard If… https://shar.es/1cLr1w via @sharethis
    disingenuously
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    General Cleburne’s Proposal to Arm Slaves
    Posted on June 16, 2014
    Marker Time Period: 19th Century
    Marker Subject: African-American History, Civil War, Military History, Politics and Government
    Marker Program: Georgia Historical Society
    Region: Mountain
    County: Whitfield

    Year Erected: 2011

    General Cleburne’s Proposal to Arm SlavesMarker Text: Here on January 2, 1864, Gen. Patrick Cleburne proposed arming slaves in exchange for their freedom to alleviate the manpower shortage facing the Confederacy. Almost all the other generals present opposed the idea of black Confederate soldiers because it violated the principles upon which the Confederacy was founded. Gen. Patton Anderson said the proposal “would shake our governments, both state and Confederate, to their very foundations,” and Gen. A.P. Stewart said it was “at war with my social, moral and political principles.” Considering the proposal treasonous, Gen. W.H.T. Walker informed President Jefferson Davis, who ordered any mention of it to be suppressed. In March 1865, with defeat looming, the Confederate Congress approved enlisting slaves, but few did and none saw combat. Conversely, nearly 200,000 free African Americans served in the U.S. armed forces.

    Erected for the Civil War 150 commemoration by the Georgia Historical Society, the Georgia Battlefields Association and the Georgia Department of Economic Development in 2011.
    http://georgiahistory.com/ghmi_marker_updated/general-cleburnes-proposal-to-arm-slaves/

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    Why is the national socialist left pulling for Trump?

    Over the past few days it has become apparent that unknown commentators on various conservative sites have been plaguing them with the usual tactics endemic to the childish tactics of the national socialist left.

    Such tactics range from Strawman arguments to

    When one asks of their political background the usual responses vary from the issuing of red herring tangents to childish responses bereft of any logic or substance.

    One must ask why are they making this concerted effort to support someone they would seemingly oppose?

    Well, there are several reasons – now of which should engender any encouragement of their actions.

    1. They recognize a ‘fellow traveler’ when they see it – some where not surprises when Trump say some very similar characteristics with Bernie Sanders.

    2. They see Trump as a very flawed individual who they see being easy to beat by the national socialist presidential candidate from the left.

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    I have not great love for the GOPe, and for the life of me cannot fathom why there is a knee jerk reaction to someone who

    ………………………….
    What makes you think that someone who recognizes the danger of Trump is automatically ‘The establishment’?

    On what are you basing that assertion?

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    I have not great love for the GOPe, and for the life of me cannot fathom why there is a knee jerk reaction to someone who

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    What makes you think that someone who recognizes the danger of Trump is automatically ‘The establishment’?

    On what are you basing that assertion?

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    Trump supporters really perplex me.

    Here we have the nation on the brink and consistent conservative in Ted Cruz and you people are going for a con-artist in Trump

    Trump supporters try to come up with mythical ‘dirty tricks’ but fail to specify what they are.

    Meanwhile, Trump has REAL scandals tied Directly to his name and they blithely ignore them, why?

    From our perspective it is like they have Pre-programmed themselves to automatically think well of the man, no matter what he does..

    He wants to denigrate the 1st amendment – Fine with Trump supporters!

    He bully’s people with threat of lawsuits and they react with: ‘go Trump’!

    Multiple scandals have cropped up where he’s scammed people and they don’t want to listen.

    What is wrong with those people!

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    What is wrong with you people – have you convinced youselfse that Trump is going

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    Long Black Train by Josh Turner
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZtwxc423jg

    Come Thou Fount of Every Blessing – Crystal Cathedral Choir
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulgixuGGuuQ

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    Long Black Train by Josh Turner
    https://www.youtube com/watch?v=SZtwxc423jg

    Come Thou Fount of Every Blessing – Crystal Cathedral Choir
    https://www.youtube com/watch?v=ulgixuGGuuQ

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    When did you arrive at your decision to support Trump?

    Was it before or after you heard about his wanting to denigrate the 1st amendment?

    Was it before or after you heard about his threats of violence?

    Was it before or after you heard of the accusations of Fraud of Trump U?

    Was it before or after you heard about Trump Network?

    Was it before or after you heard about his less than stellar negotiating skills?

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    Do you care that Trump isn’t a Conservative? Yes or No [Y/N]

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    Everyone please note the distinct similarities between Trumpsters and Leftists in how they debate

    Everyone please note the distinct similarities between Trumpsters and Leftists in their online persona
    1. Heavy use of Strawman fallacies and/or false narratives.
    2. Repetition of talking points ad nauseam
    3. Abject disregard for the answering basic questions or debating the actual substance of a remark.
    4. Comments that tend to begin with smug condescension and end with childish invective.
    5. Ad hominem attacks on any factual information presented.
    6. A tendency to project their mannerisms and tactics on others.
    This should inform everyone of just who we are dealing with.

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    How does Trump defy ‘political gravity’?
    The Trump Phenomena has been one of baffling contradictions and manifestations. Each gaffe, lie, fraud allegation and incident of violence was met with predication’s that said events would be the end of the Trump candidacy. And yet each gaffe, lie, fraud allegation and incident of violence only served to energize the phenomena. The result of the news cycle would be seemingly even more acolytes clamoring to support the Trump cult of personality.
    In order to properly analyze the Phenomena we must first stipulate that there are several subsets of those who profess to support Donald J. Trump. This critically important in validating our hypothesis in answering the title question on the Trump Phenomena.
    Subset 1: Left leaning Trump supporters
    The first subset of supporters are primarily left leaning and it is this subset that is of the most interest in our study here. This subset is the primary reason gaffes, lies and allegations of fraud are cause for an increase in support.
    Simply put, the worse a candidate Trump became, they more they supported him as the best way for the Democratic party to defeat the Republican party in the general election. Each new revelation or gaffe would show them he would be the easier to be vanquished by their party in the general election and thus they would throw their support behind for the time period of the primary process.
    This part of the theory is easily confirmed by examining a few empirical events. One is the many instances where vast numbers of Democrats have switched to vote for the least general election favored candidate1 2. This is sometimes colloquially referred to a Ditch and Switch. The theory is also confirmed by the fact that closed primaries favor candidates other than the subject while open primaries favor Trump3. Taking these factors into account it should be clearly evident how the Trump Phenomena deifies political gravity.
    Subset 2: Right leaning Trump supporters.
    This second set of Trump supporters are primarily right leaning as opposed to the first group. The ideology of this subset would seem to present a problem for the proposed theory given that they should have the opposite reaction to the gaffes, lies and fraud allegations.
    In many way this becomes a self fulfilling prophecy in that people have come to expect an increase in support and the addition of left leaning Trump supporters has reinforced this expectation in most cases.
    Footnotes:
    1. Amid Trump surge, nearly 20,000 Mass. voters quit Democratic party – Boston Herald, February 29, 2016 http://www.bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/2016/02/amid_trump_surge_nearly_20000_mass_voters_quit_democratic_party
    2. 60,000 Democrats Voted in Virginia Republican Primary – The Gateway Pundit, March 2, 2016 http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/03/amazing-60000-democrats-voted-in-virginia-republican-primary/
    3. Trump doing better in ‘open’ primaries; Cruz sees success in GOP-only contests – Fox News, March 07, 2016 http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/03/07/trump-doing-better-in-open-primaries-cruz-sees-success-in-gop-only-contests.html?

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    Do you care that Donald J. isn’t a Conservative? Yes or No?

    Do you care that Donald J. loves to use double standards? Yes or No?

    Do you care about all of Donald J.’s Lies, scandals, frauds? Yes or No?

    Do you care about all of Donald J.’s gaffes? Yes or No?

    Do you care about the polling that shows Donald J. losing to Comrade Clinton. Yes or No?
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    Do you care that Trump isn’t a Conservative? Yes or No?

    Do you care that Trump loves to use double standards? Yes or No?

    Do you care about all of Trump’s Lies, scandals, frauds? Yes or No?

    Do you care about all of Trump’s gaffes? Yes or No?

    Do you care about the polling that shows Trump losing to Comrade Clinton. Yes or No?

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    Do you care that Trump isn’t a Conservative? Yes or No [Y/N]

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    Everyone please note the distinct similarities between Trumpsters and Leftists in how they debate

    Everyone please note the distinct similarities between Trumpsters and Leftists in their online persona
    1. Heavy use of Strawman fallacies and/or false narratives.
    2. Repetition of talking points ad nauseam
    3. Abject disregard for the answering basic questions or debating the actual substance of a remark.
    4. Comments that tend to begin with smug condescension and end with childish invective.
    5. Ad hominem attacks on any factual information presented.
    6. A tendency to project their mannerisms and tactics on others.
    This should inform everyone of just who we are dealing with.

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    How does Trump defy ‘political gravity’?
    The Trump Phenomena has been one of baffling contradictions and manifestations. Each gaffe, lie, fraud allegation and incident of violence was met with predication’s that said events would be the end of the Trump candidacy. And yet each gaffe, lie, fraud allegation and incident of violence only served to energize the phenomena. The result of the news cycle would be seemingly even more acolytes clamoring to support the Trump cult of personality.
    In order to properly analyze the Phenomena we must first stipulate that there are several subsets of those who profess to support Donald J. Trump. This critically important in validating our hypothesis in answering the title question on the Trump Phenomena.
    Subset 1: Left leaning Trump supporters
    The first subset of supporters are primarily left leaning and it is this subset that is of the most interest in our study here. This subset is the primary reason gaffes, lies and allegations of fraud are cause for an increase in support.
    Simply put, the worse a candidate Trump became, they more they supported him as the best way for the Democratic party to defeat the Republican party in the general election. Each new revelation or gaffe would show them he would be the easier to be vanquished by their party in the general election and thus they would throw their support behind for the time period of the primary process.
    This part of the theory is easily confirmed by examining a few empirical events. One is the many instances where vast numbers of Democrats have switched to vote for the least general election favored candidate1 2. This is sometimes colloquially referred to a Ditch and Switch. The theory is also confirmed by the fact that closed primaries favor candidates other than the subject while open primaries favor Trump3. Taking these factors into account it should be clearly evident how the Trump Phenomena deifies political gravity.
    Subset 2: Right leaning Trump supporters.
    This second set of Trump supporters are primarily right leaning as opposed to the first group. The ideology of this subset would seem to present a problem for the proposed theory given that they should have the opposite reaction to the gaffes, lies and fraud allegations.
    In many way this becomes a self fulfilling prophecy in that people have come to expect an increase in support and the addition of left leaning Trump supporters has reinforced this expectation in most cases.
    Footnotes:
    1. Amid Trump surge, nearly 20,000 Mass. voters quit Democratic party – Boston Herald, February 29, 2016 http://www.bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/2016/02/amid_trump_surge_nearly_20000_mass_voters_quit_democratic_party
    2. 60,000 Democrats Voted in Virginia Republican Primary – The Gateway Pundit, March 2, 2016 http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/03/amazing-60000-democrats-voted-in-virginia-republican-primary/
    3. Trump doing better in ‘open’ primaries; Cruz sees success in GOP-only contests – Fox News, March 07, 2016 http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/03/07/trump-doing-better-in-open-primaries-cruz-sees-success-in-gop-only-contests.html?

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    Do you care that Donald J. isn’t a Conservative? Yes or No?

    Do you care that Donald J. loves to use double standards? Yes or No?

    Do you care about all of Donald J.’s Lies, scandals, frauds? Yes or No?

    Do you care about all of Donald J.’s gaffes? Yes or No?

    Do you care about the polling that shows Donald J. losing to Comrade Clinton. Yes or No?
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    Do you care that Trump isn’t a Conservative? Yes or No?

    Do you care that Trump loves to use double standards? Yes or No?

    Do you care about all of Trump’s Lies, scandals, frauds? Yes or No?

    Do you care about all of Trump’s gaffes? Yes or No?

    Do you care about the polling that shows Trump losing to Comrade Clinton. Yes or No?

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    Note to Trump supporters: Calling Cruz supporters ‘traitors’ won’t win the election
    I have noticed a very disturbing trend since Sen. Ted Cruz 
    97%
    , R-Texas, suspended his campaign for the White House. It seems that a number of Trump supporters have decided to intimidate, harass and threaten Cruz supporters for saying they will not vote for Donald Trump.

    Some have even gone so far as to call Cruz supporters “traitors.”

    Here’s a post that has gotten a considerable amount of discussion at the largest Tea Party group on Facebook — a group that supported Ted Cruz:http://2nk3c21wanpj2j80b71b3rik.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/treasonous.jpg
    Apparently, this person never heard of a little something called “tact.”

    It’s true that Trump is the presumptive nominee, having won more primaries than the other candidates. But he’s not the official nominee. At least, not yet.

    There are still elections to be held along with a convention, which has yet to name a nominee. And the last time I looked, threats, intimidation and harassment are generally not conducive to winning people over.

    There’s also another very disturbing aspect of this post. Treason, by definition, does not include “refusal to support a particular political candidate.” At least not yet…

    And of course, the traditional punishment for treason is death.

    So, I have to ask, does this person want Cruz supporters executed if they do not pledge to vote for Trump?

    Reaction to this post was, well, fast and furious. One person posted this:
    http://2nk3c21wanpj2j80b71b3rik.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/opposes.jpg
    Another person wrote: “Treason? Trump is NOT my king! My loyalty is to the U.S., the Constitution and freedom. I am therefore both #NEVERTRUMP and #NEVERHILLARY!

    “Besides,” another person added, “Trump says he does not need our support.” Many others echoed those sentiments.

    In a lengthy post addressed to Trump supporters in general, another person, identified as Chris Martineau, a person who, after posting this publicly in the group without any source or citation, complained that it was included in this article, wrote:

    Dear Trump supporter for the last 14 months you have insulted me, my friends and my family. You have clogged my posts and comment threads with misspelled hate speech, hashtags and bad grammar,

    For fourteen months you have accused me of being a liberal, a Hillary lover, an establishment hack, a phony conservative, and a traitor for supporting Ted Cruz.

    You have left threatening, vile messages in my FB message inbox. You have put threats and vile comments about my children and my wife on the family photos I posted.

    You have lied about and bad mouthed my candidate. You have attacked and beaten up, and sucker punched people peacefully protesting your rallies.

    For the last 14 months – Trump has knowingly lied and falsely attacked the other candidates, women, handicapped people, and minorities. Trump has encouraged violence and meanspiritedness at his rallies and among his followers and you have been happy to disseminate it; colluding with democrats to hijack and corrupt our electoral process and lower the political dialog into the gutter.

    Here’s a newsflash: Conservatives are not Ivanna Trump.

    You don’t get to verbally abuse us, slap us around, tear out our hair and then turn around and act like everything is OK and we OWE you and your sleazy, scumbag, liberal statist fuehrer, Herr Trump our vote.

    Trump hasn’t earned it – and you haven’t earned the right to insist we give it to him.

    Trump is a boorish, entitled, constitutionally illiterate liberal windbag and his supporters are thugs.

    I have a reality check for for Trump and his thug army:

    The democrats who helped you nominate him against the will of the GOP majority are going to stab you in the back in November. So – If Trump can’t win without the votes of the people whose values he does not represent, and who his supporters have spent the last year verbally abusing – then Trump DESERVES to lose to Hillary, you all have another thing coming.

    Screw Trump – I’m writing in Cruz. And if Hillary wins then you should have thought of that before acting like a bunch of thugs and extortionists for the last 14 months.

    And Hillary thanks you for your unwitting cooperation.

    This post seems to encapsulates the feelings many Cruz supporters have. While those who support Trump are certainly justified in trying to reach out to those who supported Cruz, they need to learn that threats and intimidation are not going to work.

    If anything, they will only drive Cruz supporters farther from Trump.
    http://conservativefiringline.com/note-to-trump-supporters-calling-cruz-supporters-traitors-wont-win-the-election/#

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    5 Ways In Which Trump Supporters Are Like Cult Followers
    That’s part of the problem, but I digress. Trump supporters quickly morphed into Trump lackeys and Trump apologists. Before long, nothing negative could be said about him without incurring the wrath of people screaming, veins popping in their foreheads and spittle flying out of their mouths as they would scream at you to get in line. Things just got progressively worse. Now that he has the nomination, things have been amped up for sure so here are five ways Trump supporters behave as though they are part of a cult:

    1. Donald Trump can do no wrong – There is an excuse for him for everything. Everything. No matter what he says. No matter how outrageous it is, he can do no wrong. Ever.
    2. Trump supporters don’t care about his flip-flops and inconsistencies – They simply do not care. Trump said he advocated for a ban on all Muslims coming into the country. They he changed his view and said a total ban wasn’t needed. We just needed to be more careful. He then lied saying he never said he supported a total ban. When confronted with this obvious flip-flop and then lying about it, a Trump supporter said to be directly, “So what?” He didn’t care.
    3. Trump is supported by supposed “constitutional conservatives” but ignore his liberal policies – A good number of Trump supporters are Tea Party cranks who see any kind of incremental win as total capitulation to Obama and his leftist agenda.

    Meanwhile, Donald Trump refuses to do anything about Medicare or Social Security. He’s open to raising the minimum wage, raising taxes, trade protectionism and single payer healthcare. But Paul Ryan is the liberal.
    4. People react to Trump like high school girls did with The Beatles. While it may be understandable for teenage girls to have gone wild over the mop-tops from Liverpool, watching grown women freak out over the Duck Tail from Queens is somewhat embarrassing.
    http://www.redstate.com/uploads/2016/05/trumpfans-620×512.jpg
    5. The Trump “hero worship” art is the most obvious sign we’re dealing with a cult-like figure. This is something seen all the time. A cult figure is often photoshopped into classic images or even modern day art with historical figures.
    http://www.redstate.com/uploads/2016/05/trumpy-620×733.jpg
    Trump has a strong online fan base of anti-Semites who love imagining him as the next fuhrer.

    I am sure Trump fans will see this and get mad at me. Don’t. Remember, it was Trump himself who said he could shoot somebody in the middle of the street and his supporters wouldn’t care.

    He’s your guy. You deal with it.
    http://www.redstate.com/jaycaruso/2016/05/09/5-ways-trump-supporters-like-cult-followers/

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    #BS #Biden #Biden/Obama’16
    #Colorado #Cruz
    #ComradeClinton #ComradeClinton Scandals
    #Confiscation
    #CommonsenseCivilRightofArmedSelfDefense
    #Destruction of Liberty via the TWL scam

    Donald J. Tan-zay-nia #Donald
    #LyinDonald
    #Lyin’ Donald Reference

    #Economy #Flashback
    #GlobalCooling #illegal Invasion
    #insanity #Islamic Invasion
    #Loss of Liberty #Muslim – Taqiyya
    #national Socialist Left # National Socialist Media
    #Obama #Obamacare
    #Socialism=FAILURE
    #Reference #Respond to later #Technology #Terrorism #TrumpWants2Lose
    #Venezuela
    Be sure to include plenty EXCERPTS and Links from authentic reference sites in your answer.

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    Ed. G. Mann

    What an absurdity you are. You tell me I’M driving people away from Trump after we see the shit you put up day in and day out. What happened? Mommy wouldn’t unzip your fly for you so you could crank your carrot?
    http://disq.us/p/19gcr5g

    You need to read and understand the points I’ve made, but sadly your response does not indicate this.

    Do you understand that you Trump supporters have to offer reasons to vote FOR your candidate aside from the tired ‘But Hillary’ canard?

    You have to show that the man wants to win.
    You have to show how he’s going to finance his campaign.
    You have to show how he’s going to overcome his deficit in favorability (something besides dismissing the polls)
    You have to account for his flip-flops on policy.

    And you have to do so acting like an adult instead of an 8 year old.

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    Yes, they were able to do that to a certain extent during the primary season when it was just the party faithful paying attention.

    But that kind of tactic will back fire big time come the general election.

    Trump supporters will not only NEED people to vote for him, but also need legions of volunteers to make phone calls, knock on doors and emplace yard signs, etc.

    Do the Trump supporters really think people can be intimidated in to doing all of those tasks day after day?

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    “The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its
    own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there
    are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to
    the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be
    corrected by good men with rifles.”
    ~ Jeff Cooper, Art of the Rifle

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    In many ways you people it Far too easy with your repetitious reaction secret fo the admirer of Comrade Clinton projection lie or the many variations therein

    In many ways you people it Far too easy with your repetitious knee jerk reaction secret admirer of Comrade Clinton projection lie.

    ………………………………

    It pretty much looks like the point is to preempt someone point out that millions of those on the nationals socialist left want Trump because he is destined to lose to her.

    You people could try to be more intelligent and creative and actually try debating the issue at hand instead of confirming the thesis contained within the piece.

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    “You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people
    all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.” Abraham
    Lincoln

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f17b4a3f5fe8e3806319e5835953b346c089edd9d58651591dd7381e6a8ad7a1.jpg

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    #BS #Biden #Biden/Obama’16
    #Colorado #Cruz
    #ComradeClinton #ComradeClinton Scandals
    #Confiscation
    #CommonsenseCivilRightofArmedSelfDefense
    #Destruction of Liberty via the TWL scam

    Donald J. Tan-zay-nia #Donald
    #LyinDonald
    #Lyin’ Donald Reference

    #Economy #Flashback
    #GlobalCooling #illegal Invasion
    #insanity #Islamic Invasion
    #Loss of Liberty #Muslim – Taqiyya
    #national Socialist Left # National Socialist Media
    #Obama #Obamacare
    #Socialism=FAILURE
    #Reference #Respond to later #Technology #Terrorism #TrumpWants2Lose
    #Venezuela
    Be sure to include plenty EXCERPTS and Links from authentic reference sites in your answer..

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    KirklesWorth
    Are you stupid? I posted three definitions that basically said Godwin’s Law requires that “somebody mentions Hitler”. Pay attention and keep your lies to yourself.
    http://townhall.com/columnists/frmarcelguarnizo/2016/07/30/donald-trump-and-the-demise-of-democracy-n2199918#comment-2826132426

    KirklesWorth
    Hey, dumbass, there is no authoritative definition and I am free to follow the definition of my choice. And since I complied with the one I chose, I knew what the definition of Godwin’s Law is, applied it correctly, and you are full of crap.
    http://townhall.com/columnists/frmarcelguarnizo/2016/07/30/donald-trump-and-the-demise-of-democracy-n2199918#comment-2826099148

    KirklesWorth
    I’m not threatening to kill anyone, psycho.
    http://moonbattery.com/?p=74932#comment-2826051566

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    Here we have another case of ‘KirklesWorth’ feigning answers whilst demanding them from others.

    KirklesWorth “Do you believe the polls?” Not particularly at this stage of the game.

    And why is this the case? Merely stating disbelief while making vague allusions to other purposes is hardly an answer.
    Please cite how the polls are incorrect with facts and logic – If you can.

    KirklesWorth “Shouldn’t Trump and his followers try something different?” Not necessarily. It gives you the opportunity to point out the failures while skimming over the successes…kind of like what liberals do.

    So Trump’s campaign is sinking and you don’t think they should try something else to salvage it? One would think that a supporter would be bothered by this course of events, and yet you seem to not care – why is that the case?
    Here we see it mis-characterize my answer to somehow diminish it without basis:

    KirklesWorth My turn. As whimsical as your statement

    Really And just how do you know this?
    Be sure to include plenty EXCERPTS and Links from authentic reference sites in your answer.

    KirklesWorth “That a candidate who champions liberty wins”, that really isn’t true.

    So are you tacitly admitting Trump doesn’t champion liberty? And you claim to be a Conservative?

    KirklesWorth There are only two viable candidates and neither of them champion your version of “liberty”.

    your version of “liberty”? What exactly are you implying by that statement, and just how did you come by this information?
    Be sure to include plenty EXCERPTS and Links from authentic reference sites in your answer.

    KirklesWorth So how about you try again and tell me “what is your desired outcome of this election?”

    Are you denying that I already answered that question?

    KirklesWorth You’ve thrown out Evan McMullin as a distraction

    Really And just how do you know this?
    Be sure to include plenty EXCERPTS and Links from authentic reference sites in your answer.

    KirklesWorth so I won’t claim you have “no alternatives”,

    Really And just how do you know this?
    Be sure to include plenty EXCERPTS and Links from authentic reference sites in your answer.

  • Torcer

    KirklesWorth

    Another hat tip to Torcer for Dave Blount’s Moonbattery’s anti-Trump moonbattery of the day! Nice pro-Cruz anti-Trump rhetoric – Hillary will be grateful! Everybody knows who – not what – the people were booing and why. It’s just Lyin’ Ted living up to his moniker – and people who aren’t so stupid not to know it for what it was.. And here I thought only the progressive liberal socialists stooped to this kind of propaganda. Torcer’s knowledge of Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals” serves him well. Dave Blount’s editorial is just condescending and ridiculous.

  • Torcer

    Tom

    Still no denial, just deflection and dissembling.
    Looks like others on here are getting wise to you….
    http://moonbattery.com/?p=75341#comment-2847831713

    What do you call this from a couple days ago?
    Perhaps you should try to remember what has been already stated days ago and you won’t make such colossal mistakes

    Tom
    Again, no denial. Who signs your paychecks?
    http://moonbattery.com/?p=75247#comment-2843023762

    Did you miss the part where I said:

    How droll, your tiresome old loaded questions… based on lies.

    Try that that for starters.

    loaded question
    You asked a question that had a presumption built into it so that it couldn’t be answered without appearing guilty.

    Loaded question fallacies are particularly effective at derailing rational debates because of their inflammatory nature – the recipient of the loaded question is compelled to defend themselves and may appear flustered or on the back foot.
    https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/loaded-question

  • Torcer

    Rather disturbing – apparently Trump supporters think that there are different versions of ‘Liberty’:

    KirklesWorth “That a candidate who champions liberty wins”, that really isn’t true. There are only two viable candidates and neither of them champion your version of “liberty”.
    http://moonbattery.com/?p=75247#comment-2845000115

    “your version of “liberty”?
    What exactly are you talking about? Are there different versions of Liberty?

  • Torcer

    #BS #Biden #Biden/Obama’16
    #Colorado #Cruz
    #ComradeClinton #ComradeClinton Scandals
    #Confiscation
    #CommonsenseCivilRightofArmedSelfDefense
    #Destruction of Liberty via the TWL scam

    Donald J. Tan-zay-nia #Donald
    #LyinDonald
    #Lyin’ Donald Reference

    #Economy #Flashback
    #GlobalCooling #illegal Invasion
    #insanity #Islamic Invasion
    #Loss of Liberty #Muslim – Taqiyya
    #national Socialist Left # National Socialist Media
    #Obama #Obamacare
    #Socialism=FAILURE
    #Reference #Registration #RTL #Technology #Terrorism #TrumpWants2Lose #VSF
    #Venezuela
    Be sure to include plenty EXCERPTS and Links from authentic reference sites in your answer..

  • Torcer

    ww

  • Torcer

    KirklesWorth “That a candidate who champions liberty wins”, that really isn’t true. There are only two viable candidates and neither of them champion your version of “liberty”.

    “your version of “liberty”? What exactly are you talking about? Are there different versions of Liberty?
    ==============================================

    ===============================================
    Here we see it try to mis-characterize my answer to somehow diminish it without basis:

    KirklesWorth My turn. As whimsical as your statement

    How do you know this to be the case?

    KirklesWorth “That a candidate who champions liberty wins”, that really isn’t true. There are only two viable candidates and neither of them champion your version of “liberty”.

    “your version of “liberty”? What exactly are you talking about? Are there different versions of Liberty?

  • Torcer

    Definition of liberty
    noun (plural liberties)
    [mass noun]
    1The state of being free within society from oppressive restrictions imposed by authority on one’s behaviour or political views:
    ‘compulsory retirement would interfere with individual liberty’
    1.1The state of not being imprisoned or enslaved:
    ‘people who attacked phone boxes would lose their liberty’
    1.2The power or scope to act as one pleases:
    ‘individuals should enjoy the liberty to pursue their own preferences’
    1.3 Philosophy A person’s freedom from control by fate or necessity.
    2 [count noun] (usually liberties) A right or privilege, especially a statutory one: ‘the Bill of Rights was intended to secure basic civil liberties’
    Origin
    Late Middle English: from Old French liberte, from Latin libertas, from liber ‘free’.
    https://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/liberty

    Full Definition of LIBERTY
    1: the quality or state of being free:
    a : the power to do as one pleases
    b : freedom from physical restraint
    c : freedom from arbitrary or despotic control
    d : the positive enjoyment of various social, political, or economic rights and privileges
    e : the power of choice
    2a : a right or immunity enjoyed by prescription or by grant : privilege
    b : permission especially to go freely within specified limits
    3: an action going beyond normal limits: as
    a : a breach of etiquette or propriety : familiarity
    b : risk, chance
    c : a violation of rules or a deviation from standard practice
    d : a distortion of fact
    4: a short authorized absence from naval duty usually for less than 48 hours
    Origin of LIBERTY
    Middle English, from Anglo-French liberté, from Latin libertat-, libertas, from liber free — more at liberal
    First Known Use: 14th century
    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/liberty

  • Torcer

    NO apologies!! – Trump defies own campaign, COMMANDS surrogates to ATTACK Latino judge and the MEDIA!! http://therightscoop.com/no-apologies-trump-defies-own-campaign-commands-surrogates-to-attack-latino-judge-and-the-media/

  • Torcer

    Will Donald Trump make it to November? http://on.mktw.net/2b7KNZ0

    Opinion: Will Donald Trump make it to November? Aug 5, 2016
    Democrats need to keep their ‘unfit’ opponent in the presidential race
    WASHINGTON (MarketWatch)
    [..]
    Trump sympathizers have charged that Khizr and Ghazala Khan were put on the Democratic convention agenda to talk about their fallen son, Humayun, precisely to bait Trump into the kind of reaction that was not long in coming.

    Whether it was a tactic or not, the ensuing fracas went almost too far as it opened the door to speculation about actually replacing Trump on the ticket.
    [..]
    However unfit they want to show Trump to be, replacing him is not something Democrats want to achieve.

    Imagine for a moment that Trump gets fed up with the whole thing, or his family intervenes to save him from further embarrassment — both seem unlikely at the moment but it is a volatile race — and the RNC coalesces around, say, House Speaker Paul Ryan as the new presidential nominee.
    [..]
    Far better to keep Trump in the race, sucking up all the media oxygen with one controversy after another. This keeps the media spotlight away from Clinton, and eases the political pressure on her for her own transgressions.
    [..]
    If the Democrats can continue to discredit Trump without actually pushing him out, it will be more than ever Clinton’s race to lose.
    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/will-donald-trump-make-it-to-november-2016-08-05

    ========================================================

    Opinion: Will Donald Trump make it to November?
    Aug 5, 2016
    Democrats need to keep their ‘unfit’ opponent in the presidential race
    WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — An unprecedentedly bizarre presidential campaign turned even more so over the past week as Republican nominee Donald Trump was labeled “crazy” in headlines and media speculated openly how the party could replace him at the top of the ticket.
    [..]
    But Democrats, too, have a vested interest in keeping Trump in the race as they field their own deeply flawed and unpopular candidate for the White House.
    [..]
    Trump sympathizers have charged that Khizr and Ghazala Khan were put on the Democratic convention agenda to talk about their fallen son, Humayun, precisely to bait Trump into the kind of reaction that was not long in coming.

    Whether it was a tactic or not, the ensuing fracas went almost too far as it opened the door to speculation about actually replacing Trump on the ticket.

    In the current rules of the Republican National Committee, Rule No. 9 specifies that the 168 committee members can name a replacement if any vacancies occur on the national ticket “by reason of death, declination, or otherwise.”

    The three committee members from each state would cast the same number of votes the state would have in a full convention, and the same simple majority would be required for the new nominee.

    However unfit they want to show Trump to be, replacing him is not something Democrats want to achieve.

    Imagine for a moment that Trump gets fed up with the whole thing, or his family intervenes to save him from further embarrassment — both seem unlikely at the moment but it is a volatile race — and the RNC coalesces around, say, House Speaker Paul Ryan as the new presidential nominee.
    [..]
    Far better to keep Trump in the race, sucking up all the media oxygen with one controversy after another. This keeps the media spotlight away from Clinton, and eases the political pressure on her for her own transgressions.
    [..]
    If the Democrats can continue to discredit Trump without actually pushing him out, it will be more than ever Clinton’s race to lose.
    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/will-donald-trump-make-it-to-november-2016-08-05

  • Torcer
  • Torcer

    KirklesWorth

    Once again no denials, only a compliment on my meticulous record keeping – thanks for that! While you constantly lie about me, what I say, and what I represent, your past bluffs have been called and “trumped” with your own posts. Those searches aren’t all that difficult really.

    Poor guest 762×51 can’t play nice with the adults, so Mr. Blount deletes your naughty words. Maybe if it occurred to you that threatening to kill people in profanity-laced rants would just win you shame fame, you wouldn’t be the laughingstock of Moonbattery. Perhaps if you had some self control over your irrational hatred, like of all things “progressive” (which you can’t define), you’d garner a smidge more respect. But you are so easily triggered that its kind of embarrassing and pitiful how quickly you descend into hysterics – like calling somebody a “Nazi”, “SS-Rottenführer”, and “fascist” simply by challenging you and what you post.

    As much as you would like to avoid having your past comments resurface, I consider it a public service – although people can search for your non-deleted posts themselves. I’ll let your alter-ego have the last word which pretty much sums up why Dave Blount has to clean up after you and why you are a blight on a (mostly) civil blog like Moonbattery (luckily this post has not yet been deleted). You even lied with “There is nothing you have to say that interests me” yet you are frequently back to do that voodoo that you do so pathetically:

    kirklesworthFascistChickenShit (Guest): For the thousandth time, imbecile, I’m not interested in any exchange with you outside of a straight up gunfight. There is nothing you have to say that interests me unless it is to accept my offer of single combat which you are too chicken to do.

    I just enjoy demonstrating your cowardice for all to see. We all know you don’t have what it takes to implement your fascist desires which is why you support an asshole like tRump.

    Fascists, Progressive, hajji, it makes no difference, are for killing, there is no other use for you.

    http://moonbattery.com/?p=76494#comment-2920097030

  • Torcer

    KirklesWorth
    Perhaps if you had some self control over your irrational hatred, like of all things “progressive” (which you can’t define), you’d garner a smidge more respect.

    But you are so easily triggered that its kind of embarrassing and pitiful how quickly you descend into hysterics – like calling somebody a “Nazi”, “SS-Rottenführer”, and “fascist” simply by challenging you and what you post.
    http://moonbattery.com/?p=76494#comment-2920097030

    =====================================================

    KirklesWorth

    Once again no denials, only a compliment on my meticulous record keeping – thanks for that! While you constantly lie about me, what I say, and what I represent, your past bluffs have been called and “trumped” with your own posts. Those searches aren’t all that difficult really.

    Poor guest 762×51 can’t play nice with the adults, so Mr. Blount deletes your naughty words. Maybe if it occurred to you that threatening to kill people in profanity-laced rants would just win you shame fame, you wouldn’t be the laughingstock of Moonbattery.

    Perhaps if you had some self control over your irrational hatred, like of all things “progressive” (which you can’t define), you’d garner a smidge more respect.

    But you are so easily triggered that its kind of embarrassing and pitiful how quickly you descend into hysterics – like calling somebody a “Nazi”, “SS-Rottenführer”, and “fascist” simply by challenging you and what you post.

    As much as you would like to avoid having your past comments resurface, I consider it a public service – although people can search for your non-deleted posts themselves. I’ll let your alter-ego have the last word which pretty much sums up why Dave Blount has to clean up after you and why you are a blight on a (mostly) civil blog like Moonbattery (luckily this post has not yet been deleted). You even lied with “There is nothing you have to say that interests me” yet you are frequently back to do that voodoo that you do so pathetically:
    http://moonbattery.com/?p=76494#comment-2920097030

  • Torcer
  • Torcer

    My point is that we should have not gotten into the ‘Binary election trap’ in the first place.

    Everyone should have carefully evaluated the candidates and rejected trump based on the information we already had.
    ======================================

    If people had taken the time to become informed we wouldn’t be in this ‘Binary election trap’ we seem to always find ourselves . Many of us took the time to become informed on the candidates and made a much better choice. The problem is that trumpers ignored this advice and went with one of the worst candidates ever fielded by the party.

  • Torcer

    All political power comes from the barrel of a gun. The communist party must command all the guns, that way, no guns can ever be used to command the party. Mao Zedung

  • Torcer

    There are two classes in America today: those who pay for the government
    and those who are paid by the government. – Will Spencer

  • Torcer

    “The only reason for not tarring and feathering any government official for effrontery when they tell us what to do is that their power to do so is somehow legitimate. But that legitimacy comes from the exercise of constitutional power. If the Constitution doesn’t mean anything, well, then, maybe it’s time to go long on pitchforks. Because without the Constitution the angry mob is just as legitimate as the perfumed princes of the state.”
    Josh Blackman

  • Torcer

    Reference
    DEMOCRAT PUNDIT: Hillary Clinton Is A Liar Who Is Totally Dependent Upon A Donald Trump Candidacy | RedState http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2016/10/10/hillary-liar-totally-dependent-upon-donald-trump-candidacy/

    DEMOCRAT PUNDIT: Hillary Clinton Is A Liar Who Is Totally Dependent Upon A Donald Trump Candidacy
    Another day, another Wikileaks dump.* This time from the email of Hillary Clinton consigliere, John Podesta. It is from neo-communist pundit, Brent Budowski to Podesta and others and he makes the point that Hillary is a reflexive liar who is so weak that her candidacy is totally dependent upon the GOP nominating Donald Trump.
    http://www.redstate.com/uploads/2016/10/budowski.jpg
    To be clear, Budowski is not on the Clinton campaign and has never been accused of being the sharpest knife in the drawer but, when taken in context with my colleague Brandon Morse’s post on how Trump was essentially a Clinton tool from Day One, it emphasizes the degree to which the Democrats knew that Hillary could only win against a very, very weak candidate.
    *I’ll acknowledge up front that Wikileaks is a vanity project of the Russian FSB and that we have to be concerned about them inserting disinformation into the document stream. But that doesn’t mean they haven’t done a substantial amount of good in exposing Hillary Clinton’s criminal conspiracy. In the words of Julius Caesar, “I love treason but I hate a traitor.”
    http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2016/10/10/hillary-liar-totally-dependent-upon-donald-trump-candidacy/

  • Torcer

    Seriously, Why Did We Give Up on Replacing Trump on the GOP Ticket? | RedState http://www.redstate.com/absentee/2016/10/19/seriously-give-replacing-trump-gop-ticket/

    Seriously, Why Did We Give Up on Replacing Trump on the GOP Ticket?
    When someone writes something critical about Trump, people don’t say “oh that’s not true, he’s not like that, he never said that.” What they say is “why are you talking about this instead of attacking Hillary, you traitor?” It has been a non-stop, relentless onslaught of people who accuse those who won’t support Trump of everything from “moral preening” to wagging our tails for pats on the head from the left.

    Nobody says “oh Trump’s ideas about women are awesome” or “I’m a big believer in p*ssy grabbing,” it’s always “you’re just like the MSM, leave Trump alone” and above all, without fail, without surcease, “BUT HILLARY!” To call it tiresome would be a colossal understatement.

    And even if you’re likewise writing about Hillary’s deceit, malfeasance, bribery, corruption, and how she is not fit for office, and you are not voting for her, it does not matter, because you don’t write “enough,” or have a good “ratio,” or your heart isn’t it. Or, and this is my favorite, you’re really just helping her get elected but also don’t matter because you’ve thrown your relevance in the trash and aren’t credible anymore and ha ha you’re done as a conservative.

    Yeah, I never said their arguments were logical.
    [..]
    What I am going to tell you is two things. Donald Trump doesn’t care about winning this election, and Donald Trump isn’t going to win this election so he should quit.

    Trump is not working to win in November, anymore. He’s working to save his reputation. The signs are all there and they are overt. He has already stated that this whole year will have been a collasal waste of time for him if he doesn’t win, and he does not expect to win. So instead of trying anymore, he’s working on shoring up how he will be perceived when he loses.
    [..]
    I would vote for Mike Pence. I’m currently planning to vote for Gary Johnson, who I think would bring the argument of liberty back into the center of political debate, but I would switch to vote for Pence if Trump were out. Others would, too.

    All Donald has to do is step down. It’s in his own interest. And hey, too late for a Pence October surprise, so .. bonus.
    http://www.redstate.com/absentee/2016/10/19/seriously-give-replacing-trump-gop-ticket/

  • Torcer

    Look at the time period around the first debate:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvPMl73UsAA3JDB.jpg

  • Torcer

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    F……. Islam
    http://www.meoso.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/fuck_islam.jpg

    An 83 year old Army veteran arrived in Paris by plane.
    http://www.meoso.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/an-83-year-old-army-veteran-arrived-in-paris-by-plane.jpg

    Ending This Edition On A Happy Note
    https://westernrifleshooters.files.wordpress.com/2016/10/cvetgpauiaacihq.jpg?w=500

    Cartoon contest
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fce704c5d76f81270279485c853ffc86ea1bbeb9b3551c76e54d03ff94bdaaaa.jpg

    2nd amendment
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtzMufeVMAEVobD.jpg:large

    School gun free zone
    http://www.meoso.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/attention-criminals-gun-free-school-zone.jpg

    Clinton cannot be trusted
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtzaA_MUkAAxzLf.jpg:large

    Ideologies
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtzjeuoUMAAkGw4.jpg:large

    Hillary liar
    http://moonbattery.com/graphics/shrillary-liar.jpg

    Evan_McMullin
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvKVf01VYAApmTI.jpg

    SMOD
    https://westernrifleshooters.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/ctupfwyueaac6r4.jpg

    http://www.meoso.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/capitalism-n-socialism.jpg

    Registration Confiscation Extermination
    http://moonbattery.com/graphics/Registration-Confiscation-Extermination.jpg

    ………………………………………….
    Trump/Clinton
    https://westernrifleshooters.files.wordpress.com/2016/10/cu-f_anvmaa6ct7.jpg?w=500&h=501

    Clinton foundation
    https://www.conservativereview.com/sss/media/images/conservative-review/article-images/2016/september/cartoons/if-we-only-had-a-dime.jpg?

    http://www.meoso.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/remember-only-you-can-prevent-big-government.jpg

    GW quote
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtORyU8XYAAbUEb.jpg

    Weapons Are the Tools of Power
    http://www.famous-quote.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/weapons-are-tools-of-power.jpg

    Criminals obey laws?
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ctd-52zVMAQWQ33.jpg

    Stopped with guns
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CsvczLjWgAA-1gA.jpg

    Leftist logic
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cs58iRPUkAIEvj6.jpg

    Islam
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CsvMS00XYAAWvad.jpg

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/By4N4LDCMAAhGBw.jpg

    minority rights
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ct3js4NVUAAb6c2.jpg:large

  • Torcer

    Where is all the bluster that he’s able to ‘play the media?

    Where is all the bluster that he’s winning in the polls?

    Where is all the bluster that he’s going to wipe the floor with Comrade Clinton in the debates?

  • Torcer

    =====================================================

    Where does the Federal government obtain the authority to alter it’s own Constraints?

    Where does the Federal government obtain the Constitutional authority to alter it’s own Constraints?

    Where does the Feral government obtain the authority to alter it’s own Constraints?

    Hint: It does not come from the supreme court.

  • Torcer

    Why did Trump change from his winning strategy?

    Why did Trump fail to prepare for the debates?

    Why did Trump make continuous attacks on people distracting from his message?

    Why did Trump stop fundraising? Why is he starving funds from the down ballot races?
    ===================================
    Why did Trump change from his winning strategy?
    Why did Trump fail to prepare for the debates?
    Why did Trump make continuous attacks on people distracting from his message?
    Why did Trump stop fundraising? Why is he starving funds from the down ballot races?

    =======================================
    Why did Trump change from his winning strategy?
    Why did Trump fail to prepare for the debates?
    Why did Trump make continuous attacks on people distracting from his message?
    Why did Trump stop fundraising? Why is he starving funds from the down ballot races?

  • Torcer

    Hard work at what?
    Exposing Comrade Clinton’s lies and duplicity?
    Articles on how she is a danger to liberty?

    Maybe you’re referring to all the work we’ve done trying to inform you of the danger of the left’s socialist national agenda?

    Or perhaps you mean all of hard work trying to make sure the proper candidate for the party was nominated?

    Hard work in becoming informed of just how egregious the potential nominee was MONTHS ago?

    Hard work at trying to warn you people of the extreme danger of nominating the wrong candidate?

    And what our hard work in dealing with the name calling and petty and childish insults we had to endure for trying to inform you people of this upcoming disaster?
    …………

  • Torcer

    Ah, yes the moving the goal post strategy.

    Alphamail

    Not a single message of the daily HORRENDOUS disclosures of Hillary’s emails, but you’ve stooped so fucking low to start quoting Michael Moore’s absolute left-wing gutter CONJECTURE which lines up with your complicity with Hillary and your cowardly choice to not lift a finger to defeat her.
    http://moonbattery.com/?p=77495#comment-2970988907

    ,

  • Torcer

    Resistance is Not Futile
    I have written before about the “NEVER Never Trump” folks. They are the anti-never Trumps. They seem to exist solely to attack other Republicans who fail to endorse or otherwise support Donald Trump. They punish the ones who won’t assimilate. The ways in which this unhealthy obsession is antithetical to treasured American and conservative principles are as myriad as the ways that Trump himself is antithetical to the same, but what we often fail to mention is how utterly short-sighted they are.

    I remember, back in the days of George W. Bush, when RedState would criticize him we got a lot of criticism in the comments and diaries and by email. When Erick and Leon went on offense over Harriet Miers, there were those who attacked them as betrayers of the party, as enablers of the Democrats and more. I’ll never forget the best defense I saw, other than forgetting who said it. They said, “if we don’t tell him no, then how does he know he’s wrong?”

    It sounds arrogant, but this is what activism and blogging are all about. It’s the reason we and tea partiers and voters brag about “primarying” somebody. The simple idea is that you hold a politician accountable so that they behave as they ought to. If you give them license to run roughshod, they will. They need someone telling them “NO.”

    Trump must be told no. Without those who hold him accountable for his many left turns, how much more “progressive” would he be right now? With nothing but a chorus of “yes” no matter what, he, like a lot of politicians, would take the wrong roads.

    Resistance, you see, is in no way futile. In fact it can be quite productive.
    http://www.redstate.com/absentee/2016/09/30/resistance-futile/

  • Torcer

    "It doesn't matter where you are coming from. All that matters is where you are going." – Brian Tracy— ƑσƖks σғ нιsтσяү (@FolksOfHistory) November 16, 2016

  • Torcer
  • Torcer

    Everyone should keep in mind that the Concept of Socialism is 500 years old this year
    [That’s 1/2 a millennium for you youngsters].

    And it’s failure, death and misery is still going strong!

    Huzzah!

    Utopia, an ideal commonwealth whose inhabitants exist under seemingly perfect conditions. Hence utopian and utopianism are words used to denote visionary reform that tends to be impossibly idealistic.
    More’s Utopia
    The word first occurred in Sir Thomas More’s Utopia, published in Latin as Libellus…de optimo reipublicae statu, deque nova insula Utopia (1516; “Concerning the highest state of the republic and the new island Utopia); it was compounded by More from the Greek words for “not” (ou) and “place” (topos) and thus meant “nowhere.” During his embassy to Flanders in 1515.
    https://www.britannica.com/topic/utopia

  • Torcer

    #Reference
    World-Famous Physicist… http://rightwingnews.com/top-news/world-famous-physicist-drops-bombshell-god-discovery-atheists-will-not-like/

    World-Famous Physicist Drops a Bombshell “God” Discovery. Atheists Will NOT Like This at All
    This brilliant scientist managed to deeply touch my heart. He has recently come out and discusses the role of religion and God i science. Many people wonder if their is room for God in the scientific community. Is there room for God in science at allor is it meant to be science alone that leads our communities and classrooms.

    He says:“I have concluded that we are in a world made by rules created by an intelligence,” the physicist said, according to Science World Report. “Believe me, everything that we call chance today won’t make sense anymore. To me it is clear that we exist in a plan which is governed by rules that were created, shaped by a universal intelligence and not by chance.”
    Conservative Tribune explains more here:

    When responding to a question about the meaning of life and God, Kaku said that most physicists do believe in a God because of how the universe is designed. Ours is a universe of order, beauty, elegance and simplicity.

    He explained the universe didn’t have to be this way — it could have been ugly and chaotic. In short, the order we see in the universe is proof of God./

    https://youtu.be/kYAdwS5MFjQ
    http://rightwingnews.com/top-news/world-famous-physicist-drops-bombshell-god-discovery-atheists-will-not-like/

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    What Every Man Needs To Know About Capitalism And Economics http://www.returnofkings.com/48788/what-every-man-needs-to-know-about-capitalism-and-economics via @returnofkings

    What Every Man Needs To Know About Capitalism And Economics http://www.returnofkings.com/48788/what-every-man-needs-to-know-about-capitalism-and-economics via @returnofkings

    What Every Man Needs To Know About Capitalism And Economics
    First, understand that capitalism is NOT an option. It’s not an “opinion.” It’s not a “belief.” It’s not a “theory.”

    It’s a law.
    You have no choice but to abide by it just as you have no choice to abide by gravity.

    You may not “like” that statement. You may not agree with it, but none of that changes the fact that the economic phenomenon known as “capitalism” or “free markets” has naturally formed within humanity throughout it’s entire history.
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    Government as a means of protection rather than production

    All economic success derives from the protection and enforcement or private property. Understand that governments do not produce anything of economic value. The only thing that can produce something of economic value is people. Without a people, there is no point or purpose to have a government. But how do you incentivize the people to produce?

    Well, in the olden days you captured them and made them slaves, threatening them with torture, beatings, starvation, and death. Today, obviously, we need a new incentive. Enter private property.

    If I’m not a slave, I’m allowed to keep the majority of the fruits of my labor. This income will go to pay for necessary things like food, clothing, and shelter, but any excess earnings can be saved up and used to buy assets. These assets are also called “wealth,” and if I build up enough “wealth” then I can become “rich” and never labor again.

    This is a huge and VITAL cornerstone of capitalism because it provides not just one person, but all people with the key to their own freedom. They are allowed to work as much and as hard as they want, become as rich as they can, all of which invigorates and mobilizes billions of people to produce (resulting in the economic powerhouses of yesteryear western civilization). However, it was all contingent on the legal guarantee that their property would be their own and not confiscated for political purposes.
    http://www.returnofkings.com/48788/what-every-man-needs-to-know-about-capitalism-and-economics

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    Trump’s face made from pictures of crying #snowflakes… #youknowitsfunny #savethesnowflakes
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxhLTAkUkAA-UJK.jpg

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    #Reference

    Voters Really Did Switch To Trump At The Last Minute http://53eig.ht/2i2HKHK

    Voters Really Did Switch To Trump At The Last Minute
    Donald Trump’s somewhat surprising win has forced many political analysts to wonder: Were we wrong all along in thinking Hillary Clinton had the upper hand, or was late-breaking movement to Trump part of the reason why polling averages missed his upset Electoral College victory? There’s certainly evidence that the polls underestimated Trump’s support in crucial Midwest states. But the latest wave of the Institute for the Study of Citizens and Politics panel survey that my University of Pennsylvania colleague Diana Mutz and I have been overseeing is now complete, and it provides new evidence that voters did shift to Trump in the final weeks of the campaign, too.

    Our October 2016 wave was conducted with nationally sampled adults over age 26 between Oct. 14 and Oct. 24, meaning that it ended soon after the third Clinton-Trump debate. At the time, Clinton was riding high in the polls — and 43 percent of our panelists in that wave expressed support for Clinton, as opposed to 36 percent for Trump. By way of benchmarking, this same group of panelists had gone for President Obama over Mitt Romney 46 percent to 39 percent in October 2012.

    And while most people’s support remained the same, the changes we did observe were consequential. Consider the table below, showing panelists’ support in the October 2016 poll versus their support in the post-election poll, which took place from Nov. 28 to Dec. 7. Eighty-nine percent of the 1,075 American adults reported the same preference in both waves, whether it was for Clinton (38.0 percent), Trump (35.2 percent) or neither (15.8 percent). But among those who did move, Trump had the advantage. While no one moved from Trump to Clinton, 0.9 percent of our respondents moved from Clinton to Trump. Although that 0.9 percent isn’t a lot, those changes are especially influential, since they simultaneously reduce Clinton’s tally and add to Trump’s. If there were a comparable swing in the national electorate, 1.2 million votes would move to Trump.
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    As to what moved these Americans in the final weeks of the campaign, the panel has little to say. The timing of James Comey’s letter to Congress — released on Friday, Oct. 28 — makes it one potential explanation. When making sense of campaigns, people often search for overarching narratives, and Comey’s letter provides a ready-made story. No less a political observer than Bill Clinton recently explained his wife’s loss by pointing to Comey’s letter.

    Still, we shouldn’t discount the possibility that voters might have gravitated to Trump anyhow. Research has long suggested that over the course of a campaign, partisans come home to their party’s candidate.
    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/voters-really-did-switch-to-trump-at-the-last-minute/

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    It’s time for an intervention for the nation’s socialist left, Part I
    This is a timely message to those on the nation’s Socialist left on what you need to do to once again become a viable political force. You and your comrades should not have to be reminded of the stunning defeat you suffered in the last election. Aside from the personality cult success of Obama, your party has been beaten like a rented mule the past few election cycles.

    You could be forgiven in not seeing this taking place given the uniqueness of the Obama cult and the overwhelming advantages you hold in controlling most of the culture, media and governmental indoctrination system.
    Overwhelming advantages
    For the most part your side has enjoyed enormous advantages the past few years. You control most of the culture, news and the rest of the media as well as the educational system. Young children can grow up in your socialist echo chamber without ever hearing a discouraging word of its negative and evil effects.
    Media control
    There was a time when you held all the cards in this realm. You had all three networks in your pocket as well as most of the major newspapers. With technological advancement you’ve maintained this superiority with CNN, MSNBC and the plethora of online news sources. Admittedly the right has been steadily increasing its influence in this space but this does not reconcile the enormous advantage you still hold.
    Governmental indoctrination (Education) system control
    You don’t just have the media and culture at your beck and call but the nation’s education system as well. Most people are forced to send their children to the local governmental indoctrination centers – ‘public schools’. And they are forced to pay through the nose for the “privilege.”
    This is Part I of a 3 part series. More to come…
    http://thenewamericana.com/2016/12/23/time-intervention-nations-socialist-left-part/

    Denial isn’t just a river in Egypt..

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    It’s time for an intervention for the nation’s socialist left, Part II
    This is Part II of a three party series. Read the first part here.
    Forgive the bluntness, but you folks on the left have had a free-ride for decades.

    You possess immense advantages over the right in controlling most of the news and media outlets. You also control most of the vestiges of cultural – music, movies and even what’s on the tele every night.

    You’ve gone so far as to think you can alter the reality of your failed ideology with absurd definitions of the term ‘socialism’ to essentially credit socialism for everything from the existence of civilization to sewer systems. You’ve tried to use bizarre and twisted logic that turns reality on it’s head to once again sell a new generation on an ideological dead end.

    Leftist losing streak
    And yet, with all of these overwhelming advantages mentioned in part I, you’ve been losing the past several years:

    Over Obama’s eight years, Democrats went from controlling 28 governor’s mansions to 18; they went from controlling 25 state legislatures to 12; they went from controlling 60 Senate seats to 48; and from controlling 257 House seats to 194.

    And of course, they lost the White House too.

    And once again, let me be exceedingly blunt: You people LOST to Trump!

    That above everything else should be a rhetorical kick in the teeth of all time.

    Many a drunk has had to hit rock bottom before resolving to attend AA and get on the wagon. It is hard to fathom more a rock bottom result than the election of 2016. And thus the impetus for this intervention, for if you continue as you have it will just be a steady decline from now on.

    Our wins came about without the benefit of your immense advantages you hold on the nation’s socialist Left

    You socialists on the nation’s left need to ponder why is this the case? Why is it that you hold most of the cards and are still losing the game?
    But you don’t see this, you just exist in a leftist bubble of delusion thinking that one more repackaging or relabeling of the same old ideas will work.

    500 years of failure
    Your current fundamental belief system of socialism traces its roots back to ancient times, but were first expressed 500 years ago in Sir Thomas More’s book “Utopia” published in 1516.

    Oddly enough, the word utopia literally means ‘no place’ – that alone should tell you something. Referencing the Oxford English dictionary:

    Utopia
    noun An imagined place or state of things in which everything is perfect

    Origin Mid 16th century: based on Greek ou not + topos place; the word was first used in the book “Utopia” (1516) by Sir Thomas More.

    And just for the record, even the Marxists confirm this fact in a publication from 1949:

    “The first theoretical expression of a genuinely socialist position came in Thomas More’s Utopia, written in the early years of the 16th Century.”

    Despite the falsehood you people like to foster about your ideas and ideology being fresh and new helped along with myriad self-labeling variations of your base ideology, the reality is that to use the term, colloquial they are ‘old and busted’. Were you honest with yourselves and research the history of your own ideology you would know this and you would know that those 500 years have never seen it function properly.

    In our next installment, we will lay out the scientifically based argument on why you need to change – it’s your only hope.
    http://thenewamericana.com/2016/12/26/time-intervention-nations-socialist-left-part-ii/

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    "Before you make fun of children who believe in me, remember there are adults who believe in #socialism "-Santa Claus

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    The fundamental ideas of #Socialism are 500 years old
    #Socialism500yrsofFAIL
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1iZ5q9WIAA96cm.jpg

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    Let’s address the spurious assertion that the Socialist German Workers’ Party were supposedly ‘conservative’ – as absolutly incongruous as that is:

    Nazi
    German Nationalsozialistische [deutsche Arbeiter-Partei] (National Socialist [German Workers’ Party])
    The American Heritage® Abbreviations Dictionary, Third Edition

    right wing: the part of a political group that consists of people who support conservative or traditional ideas and policies : the part of a political group that belongs to or supports the Right
    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/right%20wing

    It should be bloody obvious that Right = Conservative

    Definition of CONSERVATISM
    1capitalized
    a : the principles and policies of a Conservative party
    b : the Conservative party
    b : a political philosophy based on tradition and social stability, stressing established institutions, and preferring gradual development to abrupt change; specifically : such a philosophy calling for lower taxes, limited government regulation of business and investing, a strong national defense, and individual financial responsibility for personal needs (as retirement income or health-care coverage)
    3: the tendency to prefer an existing or traditional situation to change
    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/conservatism

    Definition of conservative
    2 (in a political context) favouring free enterprise, private ownership, and socially conservative ideas.
    Informal true blue
    Origin
    late Middle English (in the sense ‘aiming to preserve’): from late Latin conservativus, from conservat- ‘conserved’, from the verb conservare (see conserve). Current senses date from the mid 19th century.
    http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/conservative?

    So, IF one is going to try and foist that interminable lie on the class, They have to EXPLAIN where that particular group specifically had a philosophy calling for lower taxes, limited government regulation of business and investing, a strong national defense, and individual financial responsibility for personal needs (as retirement income or health-care coverage).

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    Daddy’s little girl#GunSense=NonSense #2a #NRA Boot #MomsDemand from #everytown

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    “Single acts of tyranny may be ascribed to the accidental opinion of the day; but a series of oppressions, begun at a distinguished period, and pursued unalterably through every change of ministers(administrators) too plainly proves a deliberate, systematic plan of reducing us to slavery.”
    Thomas Jefferson

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    AMERICAN FASCISTS
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeEPSjOBzRA
    TruthRevoltOriginals

    11 months ago112,782 views

    Left/right, Progressive/Conservative, Democrat/Republican… The names change and evolve but the core difference remains …

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    #Venezuela"There is no privacy, no liberty of expression and “big brother” is watching 24/7. " –@TheWorldPost #dictatorship

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    “Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any farther obedience, and are left to the common refuge which God hath provided for all men against force and violence.” -John Locke

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    Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it. – Thomas Sowell

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    “The Founding Fathers knew a government can’t control the economy
    without controlling people. And they knew when a government sets out to
    do that,
    it must use force and coercion to achieve its purpose.“
    Ronald Reagan

    “The Founding Fathers knew a government can’t control the economy
    without controlling people. And they knew when a government sets out to
    do that, it must use force and coercion to achieve its purpose.“
    Ronald Reagan

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    https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2917/33396232482_812dd87548_z.jpg
    All around the no-bread zone there is graffiti. “The colectivos take
    Caracas in defense of the revolution” many read, showing a man holding
    an assault rifle, in a crouching position. “Colectivos” are armed gangs
    loyal, supplied and coordinated with the Chavista government, according
    to NGOs.

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    The Socialist-Left’s motivation is power.
    The Conservative Right motivation is Liberty.

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    The Socialist-Left’s motivation is power.
    The Conservative Right motivation is Liberty.

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    There is vast difference between the physical and political sciences. The former deal with set physical phenomena with very little variability in predicted behaviour whereas the political sciences are based on very complex and changing phenomena and the actions of people in large populations. Thus political science is far from being exact in character, thus there will be exceptions to any analysis of the subject matter. Attempts at making the discipline more complex to suit a particular political motivation have still failed to model the science to any exact degree.

    There will be some contradictions and exceptions to most theories on the science but these do not invalidate any generalized assertions.
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    Political Spectrum
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeaEs0lgXsM
    simpleshow foundation

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    So long as “socialism” is taken to mean a mode of production, people are perfectly free to live and work as “socialists” under a laissez-faire constitutional republic that protects private property rights. So such “socialists” should advocate for the political system that protects their right to live as they choose with any property they have produced or voluntarily traded for: a laissez-faire capitalist constitutional republic.

    But no, in reality, socialists don’t want private property rights upheld by the government. This is what actually distinguishes them from advocates of capitalism. Their essential idea is a political one: private property rights are to be abolished. Workers should seize productive property from those who invested their time and money to build it, either through the “direct action” of organized union gangs, or through some type of formal government.

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    Hated by the Right. Mocked by the Left. Who Wants to Be ‘Liberal’ Anymore?
    ‘‘Liberal’’ has long been a dirty word to the American political right. It may be shortened, in the parlance of the Limbaugh Belt, to ‘‘libs,’’ or expanded to the offensive portmanteau ‘‘libtards.’’ But its target is always clear. For the people who use these epithets, liberals are, basically, everyone who leans to the left: big-spending Democrats with their unisex bathrooms and elaborate coffee. This is still how polls classify people, placing them on a neat spectrum from ‘‘extremely conservative’’ to ‘‘extremely liberal.’’

    Over the last few years, though — and especially 2016 — there has been a surge of the opposite phenomenon: Now the political left is expressing its hatred of liberals, too. For the committed leftist, the ‘‘liberal’’ is a weak-minded, market-friendly centrist, wonky and technocratic and condescending to the working class. The liberal is pious about diversity but ready to abandon any belief at the slightest drop in poll numbers — a person who is, as the folk singer Phil Ochs once said, ‘‘10 degrees to the left of center in good times, 10 degrees to the right of center if it affects them personally.’’ The anonymous Twitter account ‘‘liberalism.txt’’ is a relentless stream of images and retweets that supposedly illustrate this liberal vacuousness: say, the chief executive of Patagonia’s being hailed as a leader of ‘‘corporate resistance to Trump,’’ or Chelsea Clinton’s accusing Steve Bannon of ‘‘fat shaming’’ Sean Spicer.

    This shift in terminology can be confusing, both politically and generationally — as when baby boomers describe fervent supporters of Bernie Sanders as ‘‘very liberal,’’ unaware that young Sanders­istas might find this vomit-inducing. It can also create common ground. Last year, the young (and left-leaning) writer Emmett Rensin published a widely read piece on Vox deriding liberals for their ‘‘smug style’’; soon enough, one longtime adept of the right, National Review’s Ramesh Ponnuru, was expressing his partial approval, writing in Bloomberg View that what contemporary liberalism lacked most was humility. Here was a perspective common to both sides of the old spectrum: that liberals suffered from a serene, self-ratifying belief in their own reasonableness, and that it would spell their inevitable defeat.

    When it comes to diagnosing liberalism, both left and right focus on this same set of debilitating traits: arrogance, hypocrisy, pusillanimity, the insulated superiority of what, in 1969, a New York mayoral candidate called the ‘‘limousine liberal.’’ In other words, the features they use to distinguish liberals aren’t policies so much as attitudes. The profane hosts of the popular podcast ‘‘Chapo Trap House,’’ prime originators of the left’s liberal-bashing, spend a good deal of airtime making fun of liberal cultural life, with one common target being fervor for the musical ‘‘Hamilton.’’ ‘‘Nothing has represented them more: a hagiographical musical where they can pretend to be intersectional and pretend to be multicultural,’’ said Felix Biederman, a co-host, on the second episode of the show. ‘‘They have no policy. They’re all cultural signifiers.’’
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    To be a ‘‘liberal,’’ in this account, is in some sense to be a fake. It’s to shroud an ambiguous, even reactionary agenda under a superficial commitment to social justice and moderate, incremental change. American liberalism was once associated with something far more robust, with immoderate presidents and spectacular waves of legislation like Franklin Roosevelt’s New Deal and Lyndon Johnson’s Great Society. Today’s liberals stand accused of forsaking the clarity and ambition of even that flawed legacy. To call someone a liberal now, in other words, is often to denounce him or her as having abandoned liberalism.

    Liberal-bashing on social media has reached a kind of apogee, but its targets have not yet produced much real defense of the ideology. This means the word ‘‘liberal’’ is, for the moment, almost entirely one of abuse. It is hard to think of an American politician who has embraced it, even going back two or three generations. If liberalism is dead, then, it’s a strange sort of demise: Here is an ideology that has many accused sympathizers, but no champions, no defenders.

    America’s version of liberalism has always been a curious one. In Europe, the word has traditionally meant a preference for things like limited government, separate private and public spheres, freedom of the press and association, free trade and open markets — what’s often described as ‘‘classical liberalism.’’ But the United States had many of those inclinations from the beginning. By the 20th century, American liberalism had come to mean something distinct. The focus on individual liberties was still there, but the vision of government had become stronger, more interventionist — ready to regulate markets, bust monopolies and spend its way out of economic downturns. After the end of World War II, this version of liberalism seemed so triumphant in the United States that the critic Lionel Trilling called it the country’s ‘‘sole intellectual tradition.’’ Its legislation legalized unions and, with Social Security, created a pension system; a health plan for older Americans, Medicare, was on the way.

    But as these same liberals initiated anti-Communist interventions in Korea and Vietnam, or counseled patience and moderation to civil rights activists, they quickly found themselves in the same position we see today: under heavy abuse from the left. In a landmark speech at an antiwar rally in April 1965, Paul Potter, the president of Students for a Democratic Society, asked: ‘‘What kind of system is it that justifies the United States or any country seizing the destinies of the Vietnamese people and using them callously for its own purpose? What kind of system is it that disenfranchises people in the South?’’ The first step, as he saw it, was clear: ‘‘We must name that system.’’ In a speech later that year, his successor as S.D.S. president, Carl Oglesby, did precisely that, calling it ‘‘corporate liberalism’’ — an unholy alliance of business and the state that was enriching to elites but destructive to working-class Americans and the world’s poor.

    It was the 1980 victory of Ronald Reagan and his brand of conservatism that set in motion the villainizing of American liberalism from the right — this time not for warmongering but for supposedly being soft on crime and communism, bloating the government with ineffective social programs and turning American universities into hothouses of fetid radicalism. Many demoralized liberals responded by abandoning the label completely. The nasty 1988 presidential campaign may have been a watershed. In one debate, Bush demanded that his opponent, Gov. Michael Dukakis of Massachusetts, explain ‘‘some of these very liberal positions.’’ Dukakis’s reply, a weak ‘‘Let’s stop labeling each other,’’ only confirmed the word as an insult. A few weeks before the election, dozens of distinguished figures — from novelists to editors to former Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara — bought a full-page ad in The Times to print a letter titled ‘‘A Reaffirmation of Principles,’’ expressing their alarm at the use of ‘‘liberal’’ as a term of ‘‘opprobrium.’’ But their own definition of it was oddly vague: They called it ‘‘the institutional defense of decency.’’ All those attacks on liberalism seemed to be weakening people’s sense of what liberalism even meant.

    As the insult gathered steam in the ’90s, Bill Clinton was studiously aiming for the political center, ‘‘ending welfare as we know it’’ and pushing through a tough-on-crime bill. In 2011, Barack Obama made a deal with Republicans to adopt a program of fiscal austerity, prompting the left-wing critic William Greider to declare, in The Nation, the ‘‘last groaning spasms of New Deal liberalism.’’ Conservatives will fight one another to the death over who’s the truer conservative, but the people most accused of being liberal have often seemed as if they’re the ones most ambivalent about actual liberalism.

    If liberalism really is America’s core, hegemonic intellectual tradition, it’s easy to see how it has become the word we use to deride the status quo. For the left, that’s a politics in which government cravenly submits to corporate power and cultural debates distract from material needs. For the right, it’s one in which government continually overreaches and cultural debates are built to punish anyone who isn’t ‘‘politically correct.’’ But in both cases, ‘‘liberal’’ points to the consensus, the gutless compromise position, the arrogant pseudopolitics, the mealy-mouthed half-truth.

    Each side has drawn tremendous energy from opposing this idea of liberalism. At the same time, the space occupied by liberalism itself has shrunk to the point where it’s difficult to locate. Different strands of it now live on under different names. Conservatives have styled themselves as the new defenders of free speech. Democrats have sidestepped ‘‘liberal’’ and embraced ‘‘progressive,’’ a word with its own confusing history, to evoke the good-government, welfare-state inclinations of the New Deal. Some of the strongest defenses of liberalism’s achievements come from people who identify as ‘‘socialists.’’ And free-trade advocates, with no more positive term to shelter under, are now tagged, often derisively, as ‘‘neoliberal.’’ The various ideas to which ‘‘liberal’’ has referred persist, in one form or another, among different constituencies. Liberalism may continue. But it may well end up doing so without any actual liberals behind it.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/05/magazine/hated-by-the-right-mocked-by-the-left-who-wants-to-be-liberal-anymore.html

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    Milton Friedman: This is Why Free Markets are Miraculous
    https://www.youtube(dot)com/watch?v=DbQUS8xbpX4
    PhilosophyInsights
    Milton Friedman, recipient of the 1976 Nobel Prize for Economic Science, was one of the most recognizable and influential

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    Jonah Goldberg – Liberal Fascism
    https://www.youtube(dot)com/watch?v=eYTrvutFsoE
    TJ Singh टी.जे. सिंह

    Jonah Goldberg talked about his book Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left, From Mussolini to the Politics of …

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    Why Do Democrats Want Children to Die?
    http://moneyrunner.blogspot.com/2013/04/why-do-democrats-want-children-to-die.html

    No, we’re not talking about abortionisty/murderer Kermit Gosnell this time. We’re talking about the Democrats who are using parents of murdered children as props as they do nothing to prevent mad killers from killing again. The ultimate goal is to take guns away from American citizens, but they’ll take any baby steps they can. They really don’t care if their actions will not stop the next mass shooting of children by some crazed lunatic. And I’m using that term deliberately, because the people who commit the mass horrors that we have seen have been madmen, literally.

    What is the Democrats answer to this indisputable fact? They’re going to ask the mentally ill if they’re crazy when they buy a gun. Seriously, that’s it. The real answer is to develop a strategy for institutionalizing the mentally ill. We did it before and we can do it again. But the mentally ill, the crazed, the schizophrenics and the psychotics are a major part of the Democrat party so it looks as if our kids are going to be playing the role of targets for the next Democrat who forgets his meds.
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/05/09/bullet-point-gun-crimes-dropping-despite-public-perception/

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    TBF
    Ten Really Cool Ways Communism Is Becoming Cool Again!
    https://www.buzzfeed.com/thelisterite/ten-really-cool-ways-communism-is-becoming-cool-ag-301zr
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    TBF
    The 25th Anniversary of the End of the Soviet Union | Richard M. Ebeling https://fee.org/articles/the-25th-anniversary-of-the-end-of-the-soviet-union/ via @feeonline

    Doug Ross @ Journal: 7 DISASTROUS RESULTS OF OBAMA’S LEGACY: Exhibit 1,… http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2016/12/7-disastrous-results-of-obama-legacy.html?

    4 Things Democrats Need To Do (Plus 1 They Shouldn’t) To Rebuild In 2017
    http://www.npr.org/2016/12/26/506073668/4-things-democrats-need-to-do-plus-1-they-shouldnt-to-rebuild-in-2017#

    Sorry, But Our Fight Against Liberal Fascism Has Only Just Begun http://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2016/12/26/sorry-but-our-fight-against-liberal-fascism-has-only-just-begun-n2263156

    Commemorating a VERY Happy Anniversary – The Death of the USSR https://defensivetraininggroup.wordpress.com/2016/12/24/commemorating-a-very-happy-anniversary-the-death-of-the-ussr/ via @wordpressdotcom

    The Soviet Union 25 Years On: ‘A Story of Crushing Tyranny and Oceans of Blood’ http://bit.ly/2hb2mZC via @BreitbartNews

    3 Lessons on the 25th Anniversary of the Soviet… http://rightwingnews.com/column-2/3-lessons-25th-anniversary-soviet-unions-fall/

    http://www.theblaze.com/news/2016/12/27/alt-right-leaders-turning-sour-on-trump-predict-betrayal-on-white-nationalist-issues/

    The Season of Liberal Panic http://bit.ly/2intLZS

    2016: The Year Liberal Ideas Failed http://bit.ly/2iq4gKu

    7 of the media’s most egregious lies in 2016 https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/12/7-of-the-medias-most-egregious-lies-in-2016#

    LAL
    Some Things Never Change. Should They?
    http://weaponsman.com/?p=37853

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    This is what I don’t understand about you folks on the national socialist left.

    You come across as smug and condescending and yet you are the purveyors of ideas 500 years old that have failed time and tile again.

    Why are you so self assured?

    Your Socialist national agenda Doesn’t Work, it has never worked in it’s centuries of abject failure, and yet you keep on plugging away it it as though it somehow work This time..

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    Why do you people on the national socialist left take on an air of intellectual superiority?

    Your Socialist national agenda Doesn’t Work. it defies human nature.

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    Blanket statements

    Top Union Goon Richard Trumka: Trump White House Made Up Of “Racists” and “Wall Streeters”… https://www.weaselzippers.us/355300-top-union-goon-richard-trumka-trump-white-house-made-up-of-racists-and-wall-streeters/ via @weaselzippers

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    “But that wasn’t REAL socialism!” (Part 1: the USSR)
    https://iea.org.uk/but-that-wasnt-real-socialism-part-1/

    “But that wasn’t REAL socialism!” (Part 2: Mao’s China and the GDR)
    https://iea.org.uk/but-that-wasnt-real-socialism-part-2/

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    Cuba, the island of terror
    Tweet of the day from the Twitter account of Angel Vivas:

    CUBA,LA ISLA DEL TERROR.El peor enemigo de Venezuela desde1959. Meca del comunismo terrorismo y narcotráfico mundial https://t.co/v7moW8B3N0

    — Angel Vivas (@Gral_Vivas_P) January 14, 2016

    Translation: CUBA, THE ISLAND OF TERROR. The worst enemy of Venezuela from 1959. Mecca of communism terrorism and international narco-trafficking.

    The island of terror, a perfect description for Cuba. It conjurs up all sorts of images from old B-grade horror movies with crowds with terror stricken faces fleeing from a frightenimg monster.
    Surely this must be how it feels for the Cuban people, well aware of the specter of mass-executions, arrests, beatings, living with every aspect of your life under threat. Imagine the constrictive fear of such repression. Those of us living in freedom cannot truly understand how it feels living with the constant fear of being found out for your thoughts, or for an anti-regime slip of the tongue by the neighborhood snitches of the CDR.

    How would you like it if your children were were taught to snitch on you, imagine that distrust; then multiply that by millions over almost six decades. Imagine going to bed each night knowing there is no food for tomorrow. Imagine living in a building on the verge of collapse as happens so frequently in Cuba. Imagine that no one cares. That is Cuba.
    http://babalublog.com/2016/01/14/cuba-the-island-of-terror/

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    #OTD 1979 – The Sino-Vietnamese War ends. The #conflict claimed tens of thousands of civilian lives. Learn more at https://t.co/THpeYRLC8c pic.twitter.com/6LmMIW03lS— Victims of Communism (@VoCommunism) March 16, 2017

    The Bitter Legacy of the 1979 China-Vietnam War
    Officially, both sides have tried to forget the bloody conflict. Unofficially, bitterness still runs deep.
    By Nguyen Minh Quang
    February 23, 2017
    Almost 40 years after a short yet devastating war launched by China in 1979, there has been not any official commemoration of the war in Vietnam. The fierce fight from February 17 to March 16, 1979, claimed tens of thousands of lives, soldiers and civilians alike, in Vietnam’s border provinces, but the conflict hasn’t received the same level of attention as wars against the French and Americans.

    Yet since the escalation of tensions with China in the South China Sea in recent years, the Sino-Vietnamese war has begun receiving renewed media attention. For this year’s anniversary, Vietnamese people used social media to vocally commemorate martyrs and civilians who died in the war, followed by debates criticizing the government for remaining silent and neglecting the war in high school history textbooks.

    The Road to War

    On February 17, 1979, hundreds of thousands of Chinese troops crossed Vietnam’s northern border to invade the country, waging a bloody strike along the 600-kilometer border that the two nations share. From the standpoint of historians, China’s month-long invasion of Vietnam is understood to as a response to what China considered to be a collection of provocative actions and policies undertaken by Hanoi.

    Historically, China had previously given Hanoi steadfast support against U.S. forces in the Vietnam War. But their comradeship swiftly began to deteriorate in the mid-1970s, especially when Vietnam joined the Soviet-dominated Council for Mutual Economic Cooperation (Comecon) and signed the Treaty of Friendship and Cooperation with the Soviet Union (USSR) – then China’s greatest rival – in 1978. China called the treaty a military alliance and branded Vietnam the “Cuba of the East,” pursuing hegemonistic “imperial dreams” in Southeast Asia.

    In December 1978, Vietnam began a full-scale counter-attack against Kampuchea (today’s Cambodia), whose armed forces had launched a number of unilateral clashes along the Cambodia-Vietnamese land and maritime boundaries between 1975 and 1977, leaving more than 30,000 Vietnamese civilians dead. Vietnam’s incursions into China-friendly Kampuchea, which quickly eradicated the genocidal pro-Beijing Khmer Rouge regime, coupled with its intimacy with the Soviet Union, which was massively building up forces on China’s northern border, appeared to threaten China’s security and interests in the region. Thus, China’s leader at the time, Deng Xiaoping, had good reason to urge the government to teach a proper lesson to the Vietnamese.

    It’s worth noting that, even prior to the war proper, incidents along the Sino-Vietnamese border had increased in frequency and violence since mid-1978 when Deng came to power and began consolidating his paramount leadership by creating an effective tripod – control of the state, control of the Communist Party, and control of the military. Deng had seen off the rival threat posed by the ultra-Maoist Gang of Four (headed by Mao’s fourth wife, Jiang Qing) and his well-reasoned strategy to modernize China required the removal of obstructionist Maoist People’s Liberation Army (PLA) cadres. Thus, some historians have speculated that a war was necessary to support Deng’s modernization plans by highlighting the technological deficiencies of the PLA and keeping the army preoccupied. The war brought Deng precious time in his first full year in charge to cement his own power in Beijing, eliminating leftist rivals from the Maoist era. Combat with the Vietnamese proved to be the PLA’s blood test.

    On August 25, 1978, Chinese troops crossed the border to Vietnam to assault officers, women, and local people. Le Dinh Chinh, a local policeman, fought back with his bare hands and was stabbed to death by a group of Chinese. Chinh is thus known as the first Vietnamese soldier who fell in Vietnam’s fight against the Chinese invasion. This incident sent an ominous signal of a looming armed conflict between the two brothers. After a few months of serious and careful preparation for a military ground campaign against Vietnam, in the pre-dawn hours of February 17, Chinese spearheads, supported by 400 tanks and 1,500 artillery pieces, concurrently attacked in the direction of Vietnam’s border provincial capitals, when residents living there were still sleeping.

    Owning to its large population and the huge disparity in economic and military capacity vis-à-vis Vietnam, the PLA relied on “human waves” of ragtag soldiers, a tactic used nearly three decades before during the Korean War, and a “scorched-earth” policy to conquer Vietnam. These tactics enabled Chinese soldiers to completely destroy everything in their paths, overrun population centers, and occupy strategically important mountainous areas and high spots along the boundary. These areas then became sites of low-profile yet deadly conflicts, which took place throughout the following decade.

    In early March 1979, China suddenly declared its “lesson” to Vietnam was finished and began to withdraw completely on March 16. But, in fact, its campaign was not over. Right after the war, China launched another semi-public campaign that was more than a series of border incidents and less than a limited small-scale war. On the one hand, the PLA maintained a level of steady harassment through artillery fire, intrusions by infantry patrols, naval intrusions, and mine planting both at sea and in inland waterways. On the other hand, China pursued psychological warfare operations to sabotage Vietnam’s attempts to restore its war-torn border economic centers by igniting anti-Vietnamese sentiments among the border ethnic minorities and encouraging them to engage illicit activities like smuggling.

    The 1979 war and armed clashes that flared over border disputes in the subsequent years resulted in a heavy toll in terms of both casualties and economic losses for both sides. Though neither side publicized its casualties and the exact figures remain unclear, Western estimates run as high as 28,000 Chinese dead and 43,000 wounded, while the number of Vietnamese dead were estimated at under 10,000.

    Post-War Era: Trying to Forget a Tragic Past

    Since the full normalization of the China-Vietnam relationship in late 1991, though Hanoi and Beijing both claimed victory, state media on both sides have remained quiet on the war, barely mentioning it on commemorative occasions and seeking to deflect questions. But historians, diplomats, veterans, and local civilians in both sides have not forgotten. Despite official silence, every February debates about the conflict still rage online in both China and Vietnam. In China, some social media users question whether it was worth sacrificing thousands of Chinese lives to support the Khmer Rouge butchers. Other ardent Chinese nationalists downplay the Khmer Rouge factor and instead justify the war by citing Vietnam’s oppression of Hoa people (ethnic Chinese living in Vietnam), and Hanoi’s supposed hegemonic dreams of dominating Indochina with the backing of the USSR.

    In Vietnam, low-profile anniversaries of the fierce fight against the Chinese invasion are organized each year in local cemeteries in the northern border provinces while small-scale demonstrations have occurred in Hanoi. Vietnamese veterans, military enthusiasts, historians, and diplomats have also urged the government to reconsider their decades of deliberate silence; such advocates call on Hanoi to highlight the facts of the war to help people all over the world, including the Chinese, fully understand what really happened. In 2013, Major-General Le Van Cuong, former director of the Strategy Institute under the Ministry of Public Security, and other retired politicians told state media it was time to review the official commemorations of this war. In particular, the government must include the war in textbooks.

    “Thousands of people have lost their lives to protect the land in the north. Why do we have no words for them? It’s late and can’t be later… We cannot have a vague view or ignore this historic issue,” Cuong said.

    Duong Danh Dy, first secretary of the Vietnamese embassy in China in 1979, wrote that Vietnam’s reticence to discuss the war was motivated by the greater cause of fostering amity between the neighboring nations. The government’s silence is “not because we were not on the right side, and not because the Vietnamese people are scared or quick to forget,” he explained.

    But young academics are deeply concerned that a majority of students today do not know about this war. “While information about Vietnam’s just defensive war against China’s 1979 aggression remains little and vague, the Vietnamese youth have long been surrounded by movies that advertise and diffuse Chinese culture and history. It will be the government’s responsibility if this situation lasts longer,” said Pham Duc Thuan, a 30-year-old history lecturer at Can Tho University.

    Apparently, both the Vietnamese and Chinese publics are looking forward to clear and straightforward information about the nature of the war from their respective governments. For the Chinese people, they need to know the actual ambitions behind a war that seems motivated much more by the Deng-led government’s political interests than the excuses offered by pugnacious nationalists. For the Vietnamese, they want “justice” for those martyrs who lost their lives in the tragic defensive fight, but have since been forgotten by the government.

    It’s understandable that neither state wishes to stoke any expressions of strident nationalism among their people. Both China and Vietnam are keen to confine the period of unhappiness to their past while creating a bright future together by deepening bilateral economic interdependence. In 1999, eight years after full normalization, the Sino-Vietnamese land border disputes were successfully settled by the Treaty of Land Border signed in December. That same year, leaders of both nations agreed on the “16-golden-word motto” that would guide relations between the two countries: “long-term stability and future orientation, friendly neighborhood, comprehensive cooperation.” In 2000, China’s then Communist Party Chief Jiang Zemin explained that the motto, among other things, means both sides should close down the sad past and look forward to a brighter future for China-Vietnam ties.

    Whose Victory, Whose Responsibility?

    However, while the Vietnamese government has seriously committed to this pledge by suppressing memories of the war, the Chinese population and leadership, after decades of miseducation, seem convinced that China was on the right side in the 1979 war. China claims the war as “a victory,” with all missions completed. This view is not supported by evidence and analyses undertaken by outside observers and strategists. Scholars like Gerald Segal, Bruce Elleman, and Carlyle Thayer agreed that China’s 1979 war was a complete failure. First, Deng and his generals failed to induce Vietnam to withdraw regular forces from Cambodia and thereby relieve pressure on the Khmer Rouge. Second, Beijing also sought to engage main force Vietnamese units near the border and destroy them. But Vietnam largely held its main forces in reserve and mainly used its militia and local forces to defend against China; thereby China further failed to dispel its image as a paper tiger. Third, it also failed to draw the United States into an anti-Soviet coalition.

    Two other major goals behind China’s attack were to expose Soviet assurances of military support to Vietnam as a fraud and ruin Vietnam’s northern defense system and economic infrastructure. In this respect, Beijing’s policy was actually a diplomatic success, since Moscow did not actively intervene, thus showing the practical limitations of the Soviet-Vietnamese military pact. It also succeeded in totally destroying most of villages and major provincial capitals such as Lao Cai, Cao Bang, and Lang Son, but not in a few days as anticipated and scheduled by Deng and his men. It took three weeks of heavy fighting and severe casualties. With the conflict viewed in this light, Thayer told BBC Vietnamese that China was the aggressor, not Vietnam, in the 1979 war.

    Final Remarks

    Almost four decades on since China waged a massive and costly invasion of Vietnam on February 17, 1979, the deliberate oblivion of this history by both Hanoi and Beijing has triggered growing public disapproval in both countries. Though both governments claimed victory, the war was a chastening experience for all involved.

    Chinese people’s misunderstanding of the nature of the war, mainly caused by Beijing’s steely and unrelenting efforts to control information, and history in particular, appears to be a major obstacle to resolving the debates and alleviating mutually hostile sentiments between the two peoples.

    Since the conflict was fought entirely on Vietnamese territory, it runs contrary to the ruling Communist Party’s prevailing narratives of a China that never threatens or attacks its neighbors. China’s propaganda machine has attached an ungainly and unconvincing name to the conflict, the “Self-Defensive Counterattack Against Vietnam.” It is also generally held by outside scholars that if the war did not produce an outright defeat for China, it was a costly mistake fought for dubious purposes, including Deng’s political ambitions, and a desire to punish Vietnam for overthrowing Pol Pot, a Chinese ally who was one of the world’s bloodiest tyrants. Thus, the difficulty for China is how to commemorate the controversial war without raising questions about the veracity of Deng’s claim of having achieved all China’s goals.

    For Vietnam, even though it has witnessed some relative stability and economic improvement in its war-torn northern border provinces thanks to strongly growing cross-border trade revenue, it pays to remain vigilant. Because of geographical proximity, the Vietnamese people have been forced to cope with repeated Chinese invasions, followed by centuries-long suzerainty, in the course of history. Thus, the 1979 border war, once again, reminded the country to keep in mind who the permanent, ominous foe is.

    However, remembering the forgotten war in 1979 does not have to mean igniting national hostilities. Rather, commemorations should provide justice for those soldiers and victims of both sides who lost their lives due to misjudgments and miscalculations of ambitious leaders.

    Accordingly, China and Vietnam should both pigeon-hole their tragic past and seriously study the dear lessons drawn from the 1979 war to avoid the same mistakes in the future. More importantly, once the actual facts and nature of the war are acknowledged with constructive and sympathetic perspectives from both sides, the two sides can consider the use of “historical compensation” to adjust public opinion towards each other. As long as the mutual suspicion between the two peoples remains unsettled, China-Vietnam bilateral ties will be unable to develop substantially and smoothly, no matter how much official jargon glorifies the relationship.

    Nguyen Minh Quang is a lecturer at School of Education, Can Tho University, focusing on conflict studies and Mekong Delta environmental security issues. The views expressed in this article are the author’s own and do not reflect those of Can Tho University.
    http://thediplomat.com/2017/02/the-bitter-legacy-of-the-1979-china-vietnam-war/

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    Secret police Orgs

    The Predecessors To The Anglo-American Omnisurveillance State https://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2017/09/04/the-predecessors-to-the-anglo-american-omnisurveillance-state/ via @wordpressdotcom

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    Dem Congressman To Propose Crackdown On Campus ‘Hate Speech’ https://www.weaselzippers.us/356125-dem-congressman-to-propose-crackdown-on-campus-hate-speech/ via @weaselzippers.

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    What Has Democratic Socialism Done to Venezuela? http://theresurgent.com/what-has-democratic-socialism-done-to-venezuela/ #SosVenezuela #NoMasDictadura #PrayforVenezula

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    The Right – Left scale is a measure of governmental size and power. It begins with minimal or no government on the Right and ends with total government on the Left. The dictionary definitions confirm this fact beginning with anarchy from Greek anarkhos ‘without a chief’ proceeding through Conservatism with limited government to the Left as Socialist and ending with Totalitarianism.

    These facts make it logically impossible that an ideology of authoritarianism can exist on the Right. The data points of anarchism and Conservatism make this impossible. One cannot arbitrarily place a specific ideology outside of this logical progression without rendering it meaningless.

    In a logical sense, the Left hand side of the scale is the only place for the authoritarian ideologies.

    Logically speaking, it would make no sense at all for a scale measuring government power to ‘progress’ from limited to no government to authoritarian. Physically speaking, this would be like walking down a slope and running into a wall. Therefore, the Left hand side of the scale is the only place for the authoritarian ideologies of Fascism and Nazism.

    Their commonalties in authoritarian governance place them on the Left near the other versions of this type of government.

    The existence of these commonalties confirms the logical progression of the scale. In our proof of the proper placement of these ideologies we will examine several of these commonalties, but it won’t be inclusive by any stretch of the imagination.

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    9/22/17 – Hour 3
    Liberal fascism is alive and well …Millennial CEO John Richards from ‘In God We Must’ (IGWM.co) joins the show to share his inspiring journey to successful entrepreneurship …Prayers for Chippy, Glenn Beck’s oldest fan …NASA: Heartbeats at a pinpoint? …Mad Maxine Waters sheds tears for Dick Gregory, not! …Big Chief Liz Warren squirms about being part of the 1% …Apple CEO Tim Cook wants more illegal immigrants coming to US …Stories from Operation Underground Railroad
    Source: http://www.glennbeck.com/content/audio/92217-hour-3/?

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    Why Do Democrats Want Children to Die?
    http://moneyrunner.blogspot.com/2013/04/why-do-democrats-want-children-to-die.html

    No, we’re not talking about abortionisty/murderer Kermit Gosnell this time. We’re talking about the Democrats who are using parents of murdered children as props as they do nothing to prevent mad killers from killing again. The ultimate goal is to take guns away from American citizens, but they’ll take any baby steps they can. They really don’t care if their actions will not stop the next mass shooting of children by some crazed lunatic. And I’m using that term deliberately, because the people who commit the mass horrors that we have seen have been madmen, literally.

    What is the Democrats answer to this indisputable fact? They’re going to ask the mentally ill if they’re crazy when they buy a gun. Seriously, that’s it. The real answer is to develop a strategy for institutionalizing the mentally ill. We did it before and we can do it again. But the mentally ill, the crazed, the schizophrenics and the psychotics are a major part of the Democrat party so it looks as if our kids are going to be playing the role of targets for the next Democrat who forgets his meds.
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/05/09/bullet-point-gun-crimes-dropping-despite-public-perception/

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