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Dec 11 2015

New Republic Calls for Ban on All Guns

The one nice thing about the Age of Obama is that we don’t have to guess at what progressives are progressing toward. Our most paranoid suspicions are confirmed on a regular basis. Recently one prominent liberal publication called for a ban on private homes. Another wants to ban all guns:

Never-ending incremental government growth isn’t enough for them anymore. If they can get Barack Hussein Obama into the White House, why can’t they impose Soviet-style totalitarianism immediately?

There is no doubt that Obama would seize every last firearm from law-abiding citizens if he had the political leverage. But if he tries it, there will be civil war. Bearing Arms imagines a rosy scenario in which Obama is promptly removed from power after making the big move progressives have been dreaming of. The reality would be bloodier.

Both sides know that if liberals can disarm us, they can do anything. If we won’t fight for the fundamental right of self-defense while we are armed, what right would we fight for after we have given up our arms? We would be slaves of the government, and of the leftist establishment media that serves as the government’s brain.

On tips from Torcer and Stormfax.



  • Bob

    Ban Liberals

  • Bob

    Ban Liberals

  • grayjohn

    Anyone who thinks this way is mentally ill and needs intervention.

  • grayjohn

    Anyone who thinks this way is mentally ill and needs intervention.

  • Exit Only

    Cowardly fools. An unarmed prog knows they themselves cannot forcibly confiscate guns from an armed citizen, so they clamor for Big Brother to be given broader and greater authoritarian powers to employ force to do so.

    That’s a prog for you–Always at arms length demanding someone else to do the dirty work necessary to bring about utopia.

  • Exit Only

    Cowardly fools. An unarmed prog knows they themselves cannot forcibly confiscate guns from an armed citizen, so they clamor for Big Brother to be given broader and greater authoritarian powers to employ force to do so.

    That’s a prog for you–Always at arms length demanding someone else to do the dirty work necessary to bring about utopia.

  • SineWaveII

    But wait. Didn’t hillary just suggest today that we’re afraid of black helicopters coming to confiscate all of the guns…….where would we ever get that idea …I wonder.

  • SineWaveII

    But wait. Didn’t hillary just suggest today that we’re afraid of black helicopters coming to confiscate all of the guns…….where would we ever get that idea …I wonder.

  • SineWaveII

    it’s also treason since it’s against the constitution. The “new republic” has just declared themselves to be domestic enemies of the constitution.

  • SineWaveII

    ….and then deport them.

  • EEE

    In the land of banned guns, the armed man is king.

  • SineWaveII

    it’s also treason since it’s against the constitution. The “new republic” has just declared themselves to be domestic enemies of the constitution.

  • SineWaveII

    ….and then deport them.

  • EEE

    In the land of banned guns, the armed man is king.

  • GrimmCreeper

    And this is why a free press is so important. It allows the enemies of freedom to spout off, so that we know who they really are.

  • GrimmCreeper

    And this is why a free press is so important. It allows the enemies of freedom to spout off, so that we know who they really are.

  • From my cold, dead hands, azzholes.

  • YES. The c0mmie scum are showing their hands and outing themselves more and more for what they really are.

  • The mentally ill LIBTARD FEDS are armed to the teeth with hollow-points.

    I can’t imagine for why?

    *whistles nervously*

  • Torcer

    And that isn’t first time they’ve done that:

    Mr. Cuomo, speaking on WGDJ-AM, said: “ could be an option.”
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/21/nyregion/cuomo-says-he-will-outline-gun-measures-next-month.html?_r=1&

    MSNBC’s Ed Schultz Talks Gun ‘Confiscation’
    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/dan-gainor/2012/12/16/msnbc-s-ed-schultz-talks-gun-confiscation

    Yes, They Want to Take Your Guns Away http://thebea.st/1HmJOfM

    A gun-free society http://wapo.st/1LrJxz3

    Clinton Announces Massive Gun Control Plan
    http://dailycaller.com/2015/10/16/clinton-announces-massive-gun-control-plan/

  • Torcer

    And that isn’t first time they’ve done that:

    Mr. Cuomo, speaking on WGDJ-AM, said: “ could be an option.”
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/21/nyregion/cuomo-says-he-will-outline-gun-measures-next-month.html?_r=1&

    MSNBC’s Ed Schultz Talks Gun ‘Confiscation’
    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/dan-gainor/2012/12/16/msnbc-s-ed-schultz-talks-gun-confiscation

    Yes, They Want to Take Your Guns Away http://thebea.st/1HmJOfM

    A gun-free society http://wapo.st/1LrJxz3

    Clinton Announces Massive Gun Control Plan
    http://dailycaller.com/2015/10/16/clinton-announces-massive-gun-control-plan/

  • Torcer

    That’s describes most on the national Socialist Left

  • Torcer

    That’s describes most on the national Socialist Left

  • Dan Northrup

    Because it worked for drugs, alcohol, speeding, driving while talking on your cell phone, and prostitution…

  • Dan Northrup

    Because it worked for drugs, alcohol, speeding, driving while talking on your cell phone, and prostitution…

  • Cahal the Mad™

    It’s the leftrash who commit all of the crimes, all of the “mass shootings”, and all acts of terrorism. It’s pretty clear that banning leftists is the only sane option.

  • Cahal the Mad™

    It’s the leftrash who commit all of the crimes, all of the “mass shootings”, and all acts of terrorism. It’s pretty clear that banning leftists is the only sane option.

  • MAS

    Buckle up, rough road ahead. The opposition could not make their intentions any more clear and the path they are on will most likely lead to race/religious/civil war because unlike the EU we are armed and aware (many of us anyway). The only big question mark will be whose side will the military be on…not to mention the SWAT armed bureaucrats at federal agencies like the Department of Education and EPA.

  • MAS

    Buckle up, rough road ahead. The opposition could not make their intentions any more clear and the path they are on will most likely lead to race/religious/civil war because unlike the EU we are armed and aware (many of us anyway). The only big question mark will be whose side will the military be on…not to mention the SWAT armed bureaucrats at federal agencies like the Department of Education and EPA.

  • JeffersonSpinningInGrave

    Historically, anyone who wants you disarmed doesn’t have your best interests at heart. They either plan to kill you, or plan to do something that will make you want to kill them.

  • JeffersonSpinningInGrave

    Historically, anyone who wants you disarmed doesn’t have your best interests at heart. They either plan to kill you, or plan to do something that will make you want to kill them.

  • jarhead

    Molon Labe Motherfukers!

  • jarhead

    Molon Labe Motherfukers!

  • Henry

    μολὼν λαβέ

  • Henry

    μολὼν λαβέ

  • Henry

    Sounds just like a “moderate” muslim…

  • Henry

    Sounds just like a “moderate” muslim…

  • Donna M

    Hey?
    I’m asking for prez Wormwood, val-jar and all “her” admin minions to disarm first!
    Lead by example ya’ “hippo”-critters!

  • Donna M

    Hey?
    I’m asking for prez Wormwood, val-jar and all “her” admin minions to disarm first!
    Lead by example ya’ “hippo”-critters!

  • KHarn

    Communists (And all their off-shoots) keep saying that they “just need the right people in charge” to make it work. Oddly enough, “the right people” have ALWAYS been the guys who had the most GUNS behind them.

    Why don’t they just demand the prohibition of MURDER no matter what the means?

    Idiots.

  • KHarn

    Communists (And all their off-shoots) keep saying that they “just need the right people in charge” to make it work. Oddly enough, “the right people” have ALWAYS been the guys who had the most GUNS behind them.

    Why don’t they just demand the prohibition of MURDER no matter what the means?

    Idiots.

  • KHarn

    Yes, please.

  • KHarn

    Yes, please.

  • Donna M

    Now that’s brilliant!
    Couldn’t agree more! 😉

  • Donna M

    Now that’s brilliant!
    Couldn’t agree more! 😉

  • Donna M

    Oh yeah!
    Straight to the far side, dark side of the moon, if possible!
    From whence they came!
    ‘Cause they’ve already, “mentally” checked out of reality!

  • Donna M

    Oh yeah!
    Straight to the far side, dark side of the moon, if possible!
    From whence they came!
    ‘Cause they’ve already, “mentally” checked out of reality!

  • Xavier

    Or at least disarm the Secret Service. 😉

  • Xavier

    Or at least disarm the Secret Service. 😉

  • Jester

  • Jester

  • Jim

    How about banning the New Republic? It’s a lot simpler, they won’t defend themselves and it will be easy to drag them away by their feet, their panties leak.

  • Jim

    How about banning the New Republic? It’s a lot simpler, they won’t defend themselves and it will be easy to drag them away by their feet, their panties leak.

  • LibDem hoplophobes think that just by “banning guns” they will solve whatever problems they attribute to guns. They are short on exactly how that ban will work. They remind me of Pharaoh in “The Ten Commandments”: so let it be written, so let it be done.

  • LibDem hoplophobes think that just by “banning guns” they will solve whatever problems they attribute to guns. They are short on exactly how that ban will work. They remind me of Pharaoh in “The Ten Commandments”: so let it be written, so let it be done.

  • badbruce

    ‘It’s time to ban guns, yes all of them’
    New Republic

    Well now, that’s a splendid idea. Now the only question is which one of you
    Fine haired SOB’S has the sack to come for mine or anyone else’s for that matter? My guess is not a single one of you.

  • badbruce

    ‘It’s time to ban guns, yes all of them’
    New Republic

    Well now, that’s a splendid idea. Now the only question is which one of you
    Fine haired SOB’S has the sack to come for mine or anyone else’s for that matter? My guess is not a single one of you.

  • badbruce

    Short, sweet and to the point. I like it.

  • badbruce

    Short, sweet and to the point. I like it.

  • badbruce

    I’d be happy to stand in line and personally give them an intervention with my right foot, knee deep, right where the sun doesn’t shine.

  • badbruce

    I’d be happy to stand in line and personally give them an intervention with my right foot, knee deep, right where the sun doesn’t shine.

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  • JayMS

    Mao once said that political power grows out of the barrel of a gun. Very true. The moonbat left knows this. I would postulate the converse is also true. Political disenfranchisement and marginalization grows out of disarmament. The very same reason the moonbats are so eager to disarm us.

  • JayMS

    Mao once said that political power grows out of the barrel of a gun. Very true. The moonbat left knows this. I would postulate the converse is also true. Political disenfranchisement and marginalization grows out of disarmament. The very same reason the moonbats are so eager to disarm us.

  • Cameraman

    Semper Fi Brother!!

  • Cameraman

    Semper Fi Brother!!

  • Cameraman

    Those Hollow Points are for Close Combat Ranges. out of Hand Guns, what makes them Think they will get That Close?

  • Cameraman

    Those Hollow Points are for Close Combat Ranges. out of Hand Guns, what makes them Think they will get That Close?

  • So true. Close combat is basically a suicide mission at that point. The best tactical position is to have your sights on someone from a distance, preferably hidden from sight.

  • bobwhite

    It’s time to ban Progressives. Yes, all of them.

  • Billy Two Knives

    It’s time to ban Progressives. Yes, all of them.

  • Charlie Foxtrot

    As one of my favorite T shirts has it;

    Politicians prefer unarmed peasants.

    And I personally, am none of the above.

  • Charlie Foxtrot

    As one of my favorite T shirts has it;

    Politicians prefer unarmed peasants.

    And I personally, am none of the above.

  • Torcer
  • Torcer

    “Yes conservatives, we want to take away your guns…”
    Saturday Mar 24, 2012 1:43 AM PDT Dailykos

    …………………………………

    Yes conservatives, we want to take away your guns…
    By themoderateman
    Saturday Mar 24, 2012 1:43 AM PDT
    As a person of principle let me be very clear to any “conservatives” who troll the Kos for proof that liberals want to take away thier guns. Here you go conservatives: We liberals really do want to take away your guns and never let you have them back.

    [..]
    Bottom line, as a person of principle, not an etch a sketch faux varmint hunter, let me be clear, you can keep a gun to hunt, you can keep a reasonable handgun to protect your property and person, and you can keep your goofy gun collections but you MAY NOT HAVE SICKO GUNS DESINGED TO DO NOTHING OTHER THAN KILL PEOPLE!!!! We liberals want to take THOSE GUNS away. We really do!

    I think you can see that we liberals reasonably want to respect the rights of gun owners. So why don’t you so called “principled” conservatives start respecting our right to walk down the street without the fear of some crazed gunman shooting a child because he was carrying a concealed bag of skittles?

    Where are your principles conservatives? Where is your human decency?
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/24/1077374/-Yes-conservatives-we-want-to-take-away-your-guns

    ……………………………

    Yes conservatives, we want to take away your guns…
    By themoderateman
    Saturday Mar 24, 2012 1:43 AM PDT
    As a person of principle let me be very clear to any “conservatives” who troll the Kos for proof that liberals want to take away thier guns. Here you go conservatives: We liberals really do want to take away your guns and never let you have them back.

    IF

    If your gun is an UZI
    If you are using a gun with an extended clip…we want to take your gun
    If you are concealing a high powered automatic weapon designed to best law enforcement…we want to take your gun away from you.
    If you are a mentally unstable student or postal worker…we want your gun right now!
    If you are currently intoxicated with alchohol or some other drug…give us your gun, right now.
    If you have a criminal record…you may not have a gun, hand it over and never ask for it back
    If you are angry at your spouse and it’s a hot summer night and you just stumbled into a gun shop…You may not buy a gun today, you must wait 72 hours from today to buy your gun so go to a hotel/motel and think about what we just saved you from…we don’t want you to have a gun!!

    HOWEVER –

    If you are a hunter who likes to get up at 4AM to sit in a wet cold duck blind with your buddy – have at it, you may keep your gun.

    If you are a Tea Partier who subscribes to various conspiracy leaflets and you just need to have a gun locked up in your house in case the bogey man comes to get you…you may keep your gun

    If you are a freaky history buff who collects Civil War guns and knives…you may keep your stupid antique guns but there is a reason you are single pal

    If you are a single woman (for example) and you feel you need a gun for reasonable self defense…please take a good class on how to properly shoot and secure your weapon. We hope you never EVER have to use the weapon but we respect your wishes to protect yourself and would NEVER make a law preventing you from reasonably doing so.

    Bottom line, as a person of principle, not an etch a sketch faux varmint hunter, let me be clear, you can keep a gun to hunt, you can keep a reasonable handgun to protect your property and person, and you can keep your goofy gun collections but you MAY NOT HAVE SICKO GUNS DESINGED TO DO NOTHING OTHER THAN KILL PEOPLE!!!! We liberals want to take THOSE GUNS away. We really do!

    I think you can see that we liberals reasonably want to respect the rights of gun owners. So why don’t you so called “principled” conservatives start respecting our right to walk down the street without the fear of some crazed gunman shooting a child because he was carrying a concealed bag of skittles?

    Where are your principles conservatives? Where is your human decency?
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/24/1077374/-Yes-conservatives-we-want-to-take-away-your-guns

  • Torcer

    Gun Grabbing Governor Gets Softballs on New Watch list Ban
    http://www.mrctv.org/videos/gun-grabbing-governor-gets-softballs-new-watchlist-ban

  • Torcer

    The latest prediction that the NRA is going to collapse any day now… http://hotair.com/archives/2015/10/20/the-latest-prediction-that-the-nra-is-going-to-collapse-any-day-now/
    ……………………..
    The NRA will fall. It’s inevitable. http://wapo.st/1LG6m0d

    The NRA will fall. It’s inevitable.
    Just look at the demographics.

    By Adam Winkler October 19
    The recent deadly shooting at an Oregon community college, like so many before it, isn’t likely to lead to new federal laws designed to curb dangerous people’s access to guns. While this understandably frustrates supporters of gun safety legislation, there is reason for them to be hopeful. The National Rifle Association’s days of being a political powerhouse may be numbered.

    Why? The answer is in the numbers.

    Support for, and opposition to, gun control is closely associated with several demographic characteristics, including race, level of education and whether one lives in a city. Nearly all are trending forcefully against the NRA.

    The core of the NRA’s support comes from white, rural and relatively less educated voters. This demographic is currently influential in politics but clearly on the wane. While the decline of white, rural, less educated Americans is generally well known, less often recognized is what this means for gun legislation.

    Polls show that whites tend to favor gun rights over gun control by a significant margin (57 percent to 40 percent). Yet whites, who comprise 63 percent of the population today, won’t be in the majority for long. Racial minorities are soon to be a majority, and they are the nation’s strongest supporters of strict gun laws.

    An overwhelming majority of African Americans say that gun control is more important than gun rights (72 percent to 24 percent). While the African American population shows signs of slow growth, other racial minority groups are growing more rapidly — and report even greater support for gun control.

    The fastest-growing minority group in America is Latinos. Between 2000 and 2010, the nation’s Latino population grew by 43 percent. Hispanics, which make up 17 percent of the population today, are expected to grow to 30 percent of the population in the coming decades.

    Gun control is extremely popular among Hispanics, with 75 percent favoring gun safety over gun rights.

    Asian Americans also represent a growing anti-gun demographic. Although only about 5 percent of the population today, the Asian American population is predicted to triple over the next few decades. A recent poll of Asian American registered voters found that 80 percent supported stricter gun laws.

    After the 2012 election, Republican officials said the party needed to do more to appeal to the growing population of racial minorities. Yet the party’s refusal to bend on gun legislation highlights the difficulty of such efforts. If the GOP compromises on guns to appeal to minorities, it might lose support among its core of white voters.

    Rural Americans tend to oppose gun control, with 63 percent saying that gun rights are more important than gun control. The country, however, is becoming less rural and more urban. Recent years have witnessed a significant increase in the number of people living in cities, with big metropolitan areas experiencing double-digit growth.

    This shift, like that on race, is a boon for gun control. Urban residents strongly prefer gun control to gun rights (60 percent to 38 percent), for reasons that aren’t hard to understand. When gun violence is on your television news every night and police are commonplace, people may come to view guns more as a threat than a savior.

    Support for gun control is correlated, too, with levels of education. Gun rights are favored by a slim majority of those who attended only high school (50 percent to 47 percent). Among those with a college degree, however, 58 percent favor gun control, compared with 38 percent for gun rights. This demographic is also trending in a favorable direction for gun control advocates. Between 2002 and 2012, enrollment in degree-granting institutions increased by 24 percent.

    Other changes occurring in the United States further complicate matters for the nation’s leading gun rights organization. For years, the NRA focused on the interests of hunters and recreational shooters. As hunting declined precipitously after 1970 (when over 40 million Americans had hunting licenses, compared with 14 million today), the NRA’s justification for gun ownership shifted toward self-defense.

    During the 1970s and ’80s, when crime rates were skyrocketing, the self-defense argument easily found an audience. Yet recent years have seen a drastic reduction in crime; today the crime rate is half of what it was in 1980. Given that this drop coincided with a serious economic downturn, which is usually a predictor of an increase in crime, it is not unreasonable to predict that crime rates aren’t likely to climb significantly anytime soon.

    There is one demographic change that helps the NRA. Americans are aging, and older people tend to favor gun rights over gun control by a slim margin (48 percent to 47 percent). Yet these numbers aren’t radically different from young people (48 percent to 50 percent), so even an aging population won’t be nearly enough to counter the other, stronger demographic shifts.

    Of course, the NRA will continue to fight, and fight hard, against gun control. But the heart of the organization’s power is the voters it can turn out to vote, and they are likely to decline in number. Unless the organization begins to soften its no-compromises stance on gun safety legislation, it’s likely to become increasingly marginalized in a changing America.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/10/19/the-nra-will-fall-its-inevitable/

  • Torcer

    FBI Director: FBI Is Alerted When Someone on No-Fly List Tries to Buy a Gun
    http://www.mrctv.org/videos/fbi-director-fbi-alerted-when-someone-no-fly-list-tries-buy-gun

  • Torcer

    FBI Director: FBI Is Alerted When Someone on No-Fly List Tries to Buy a Gun
    http://www.mrctv.org/videos/fbi-director-fbi-alerted-when-someone-no-fly-list-tries-buy-gun

  • Torcer

    The Puffington Host also called for Gun Confiscation:

    We don’t need gun control. We need domestic disarmament @huffpostblog http://www.huffingtonpost.com/amitai-etzioni/needed-domestic-disarmame_b_8739712.html
    12/07/2015 5:59 pm EST

    Needed: Domestic Disarmament, Not ‘Gun Control’
    In response to the almost daily mass shootings in the United States — which could be expected to rise now that they are also promoted by ISIS — good progressive persons are calling for some measure of gun control. They may well know, in their heart of hearts, that even if these measures are enacted, they will do little to reduce gun violence.
    […]
    Given that even micro gun control measures will be effectively blocked by the NRA and its allies, and that promoting mini measures as potentially effective is misleading, progressives may as well go for the big enchilada: Call for domestic disarmament.

    One may say that the Supreme Court, after 250 years in which the Second Amendment was read as allowing only a well-regulated militia to have guns, recently reinterpreted it to mean that there is an individualized right to own guns. This suggests that we may have to get to domestic disarmament through the back door.

    Make the gun manufacturers liable for harm done with their products. Ban the sale of ammunition. And vote for a president that will add to the Supreme Court those who will read the Second Amendment as written.

    Above all, domestic disarmament is a true, compelling vision which cannot be said about the small gun control measures that are currently promoted by some of the most enlightened people among us.

    Amitai Etzioni is a University Professor and Professor of International Relations at The George Washington University. His latest book, Privacy in a Cyber Age, was recently published by Palgrave. You can follow him on Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube. To subscribe to his monthly newsletter, send an e-mail with the subject line “Subscribe” to icps@gwu.edu.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/amitai-etzioni/needed-domestic-disarmame_b_8739712.html

  • Torcer

    How to Ban Guns: A step by step, long term processDecember 21, 2012 Dailykos

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    How to Ban Guns: A step by step, long term process
    By sporks Friday Dec 21, 2012 3:20 AM PSTDailykos

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    How to Ban Guns: A step by step, long term process
    By sporks
    Friday Dec 21, 2012 3:20 AM PST

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/12/21/1172661/-How-to-Ban-Guns-A-step-by-step-long-term-process

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    How to Ban Guns: A step by step, long term process
    By sporks
    Friday Dec 21, 2012 3:20 AM PST

    [..]
    The only way we can truly be safe and prevent further gun violence is to ban civilian ownership of all guns. That means everything. No pistols, no revolvers, no semiautomatic or automatic rifles. No bolt action. No breaking actions or falling blocks. Nothing. This is the only thing that we can possibly do to keep our children safe from both mass murder and common street violence.

    Unfortunately, right now we can’t. The political will is there, but the institutions are not. Honestly, this is a good thing. If we passed a law tomorrow banning all firearms, we would have massive noncompliance. What we need to do is establish the regulatory and informational institutions first. This is how we do it:

    The very first thing we need is national registry. We need to know where the guns are, and who has them. Canada has a national firearms registry. We need to copy their model. We need a law demanding all firearms be registered to a national database. We need to know who has them and where they are. We need to make this as easy as possible for gun owners. The federal government provides the money and technical expertise, and the State police carry it out. Like a funded mandate. Most firearms already have a serial number on them, so it would really be a matter of taking the information already on the ATF form 4473 and putting it in a national database. I think about 6 months should be enough time.

    Along with this, make private sales illegal. When a firearm is transferred, make it law that the registration must be updated. Again, make it super easy to do. Perhaps over, the internet. Dealers can log in by their FFLs and update the registration. Additionally, new guns are to be registered by the manufacturer. The object here is to create a clear paper trail from factory to distributor to dealer to owner. We want to encourage as much voluntary compliance as possible.

    Now we get down to it. The registration period has passed. Now we have criminals without registered guns running around. Probably kooky types that “lost” them on a boat or something. So remember those ATF form 4473s? Those record every firearm sale, going back twenty years. And those have to be surrendered to the ATF on demand. So, we get those logbooks, and cross reference the names and addresses with the new national registry. Since most NRA types own two or (many) more guns, we can get an idea of who properly registered their guns and who didn’t. For example, if we have a guy who purchased 6 guns over the course of 10 years, but only registered two of them, that raises a red flag.

    Now, maybe he sold them or they got lost or something. But it gives us a good target for investigation. A nice visit by the ATF or state police to find out if he really does still have those guns would be certainly warranted. It’s certainly not perfect. People may have gotten guns from parents or family, and not registered them. Perfect is the enemy of pretty darn good, as they say. This exercise isn’t so much to track down every gun ever sold; the main idea would be to profile and investigate people that may not have registered their guns. As an example, I’m not so concerned with the guy who bought that bolt action Mauser a decade ago and doesn’t have anything registered to his name. It’s a pretty good possibility that he sold it, gave it away, or got rid of it somehow. And even if he didn’t, that guy is not who I’m concerned with. I’m concerned that other guy who bought a half dozen assault weapons, registered two hunting rifles, and belongs to the NRA/GOA. He’s the guy who warrants a raid.

    So registration is the first step. Now that the vast majority are registered, we can do what we will. One good first step would be to close the registry to new registrations. This would, in effect, prevent new guns from being made or imported. This would put the murder machine corporations out of business for good, and cut the money supply to the NRA/GOA. As money dries up, the political capital needed for new controls will be greatly reduced.
    […]
    Tell Pres. Obama and democrats in congress to demand mandatory, comprehensive gun registration. It’s the only way we can ban guns with any effectiveness.
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/12/21/1172661/-How-to-Ban-Guns-A-step-by-step-long-term-process

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    How to Ban Guns: A step by step, long term process
    By sporks
    Friday Dec 21, 2012 3:20 AM PST

    It’s nice that we’re finally talking about gun control. It’s very sad that it took such a terrible tragedy to talk about it, but I’m glad the conversation is happening. I hear a lot about assault weapon and large magazine bans, and whilst I’m supportive of that, it won’t solve the problem. The vast majority of firearm deaths occur with handguns. Only about 5% of people killed by guns are killed by guns which would be banned in any foreseeable AWB.
    [..]
    The only way we can truly be safe and prevent further gun violence is to ban civilian ownership of all guns. That means everything. No pistols, no revolvers, no semiautomatic or automatic rifles. No bolt action. No breaking actions or falling blocks. Nothing. This is the only thing that we can possibly do to keep our children safe from both mass murder and common street violence.

    Unfortunately, right now we can’t. The political will is there, but the institutions are not. Honestly, this is a good thing. If we passed a law tomorrow banning all firearms, we would have massive noncompliance. What we need to do is establish the regulatory and informational institutions first. This is how we do it:

    The very first thing we need is national registry. We need to know where the guns are, and who has them. Canada has a national firearms registry. We need to copy their model. We need a law demanding all firearms be registered to a national database. We need to know who has them and where they are. We need to make this as easy as possible for gun owners. The federal government provides the money and technical expertise, and the State police carry it out. Like a funded mandate. Most firearms already have a serial number on them, so it would really be a matter of taking the information already on the ATF form 4473 and putting it in a national database. I think about 6 months should be enough time.

    Along with this, make private sales illegal. When a firearm is transferred, make it law that the registration must be updated. Again, make it super easy to do. Perhaps over, the internet. Dealers can log in by their FFLs and update the registration. Additionally, new guns are to be registered by the manufacturer. The object here is to create a clear paper trail from factory to distributor to dealer to owner. We want to encourage as much voluntary compliance as possible.

    Now we get down to it. The registration period has passed. Now we have criminals without registered guns running around. Probably kooky types that “lost” them on a boat or something. So remember those ATF form 4473s? Those record every firearm sale, going back twenty years. And those have to be surrendered to the ATF on demand. So, we get those logbooks, and cross reference the names and addresses with the new national registry. Since most NRA types own two or (many) more guns, we can get an idea of who properly registered their guns and who didn’t. For example, if we have a guy who purchased 6 guns over the course of 10 years, but only registered two of them, that raises a red flag.

    Now, maybe he sold them or they got lost or something. But it gives us a good target for investigation. A nice visit by the ATF or state police to find out if he really does still have those guns would be certainly warranted. It’s certainly not perfect. People may have gotten guns from parents or family, and not registered them. Perfect is the enemy of pretty darn good, as they say. This exercise isn’t so much to track down every gun ever sold; the main idea would be to profile and investigate people that may not have registered their guns. As an example, I’m not so concerned with the guy who bought that bolt action Mauser a decade ago and doesn’t have anything registered to his name. It’s a pretty good possibility that he sold it, gave it away, or got rid of it somehow. And even if he didn’t, that guy is not who I’m concerned with. I’m concerned that other guy who bought a half dozen assault weapons, registered two hunting rifles, and belongs to the NRA/GOA. He’s the guy who warrants a raid.

    So registration is the first step. Now that the vast majority are registered, we can do what we will. One good first step would be to close the registry to new registrations. This would, in effect, prevent new guns from being made or imported. This would put the murder machine corporations out of business for good, and cut the money supply to the NRA/GOA. As money dries up, the political capital needed for new controls will be greatly reduced.

    There are a few other things I would suggest. I would suggest an immediate, national ban on concealed carry. A ban on internet sales of guns and ammunition is a no brainer. Microstamping would also be a very good thing. Even if the only thing it does is drive up costs, it could still lead to crimes being solved. I’m willing to try every advantage we can get.

    A national Firearms Owner Identification Card might be good, but I’m not sure if it’s necessary if we have a national database. We should also insist on comprehensive insurance and mandatory gun safes, subject to random, spot checks by local and federal law enforcement.

    We must make guns expensive and unpopular, just like cigarettes. A nationwide, antigun campaign paid for by a per gun yearly tax paid by owners, dealers, and manufacturers would work well in this regard. We should also segway into an anti-hunting campaign, like those in the UK. By making hunting expensive and unpopular, we can make the transition to a gun free society much less of a headache for us.

    I know this seems harsh, but this is the only way we can be truly safe. I don’t want my kids being shot at by a deranged NRA member. I’m sure you don’t either. So lets stop looking for short term solutions and start looking long term. Registration is the first step.

    Tell Pres. Obama and democrats in congress to demand mandatory, comprehensive gun registration. It’s the only way we can ban guns with any effectiveness.
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/12/21/1172661/-How-to-Ban-Guns-A-step-by-step-long-term-process

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    How to Ban Guns: A step by step, long term process
    By sporks
    Friday Dec 21, 2012 3:20 AM PST

    It’s nice that we’re finally talking about gun control. It’s very sad that it took such a terrible tragedy to talk about it, but I’m glad the conversation is happening. I hear a lot about assault weapon and large magazine bans, and whilst I’m supportive of that, it won’t solve the problem. The vast majority of firearm deaths occur with handguns. Only about 5% of people killed by guns are killed by guns which would be banned in any foreseeable AWB.

    Furthermore, there seems to be no talk about high powered rifles. What gun nuts don’t want you to know is many target and hunting rifles are chambered in the same round (.223/5.56mm) that Lanza’s assault weapon was. Even more guns are chambered for more powerful rounds, like the .30-06 or (my personal “favorite”) 7.62x54R. Even a .22, the smallest round manufactured on a large scale, can kill easily. In fact, some say the .22 kills more people than any other round out there.

    Again, I like that we’re talking about assault weapons, machine guns, and high capacity clips. But it only takes one bullet out of one gun to kill a person. Remember the beltway sniper back in 2002? The one who killed a dozen odd people? Even though he used a bushmaster assault rifle, he only fired one round at a time before moving. He could have used literally any rifle sold in the US for his attacks.

    The only way we can truly be safe and prevent further gun violence is to ban civilian ownership of all guns. That means everything. No pistols, no revolvers, no semiautomatic or automatic rifles. No bolt action. No breaking actions or falling blocks. Nothing. This is the only thing that we can possibly do to keep our children safe from both mass murder and common street violence.

    Unfortunately, right now we can’t. The political will is there, but the institutions are not. Honestly, this is a good thing. If we passed a law tomorrow banning all firearms, we would have massive noncompliance. What we need to do is establish the regulatory and informational institutions first. This is how we do it:

    The very first thing we need is national registry. We need to know where the guns are, and who has them. Canada has a national firearms registry. We need to copy their model. We need a law demanding all firearms be registered to a national database. We need to know who has them and where they are. We need to make this as easy as possible for gun owners. The federal government provides the money and technical expertise, and the State police carry it out. Like a funded mandate. Most firearms already have a serial number on them, so it would really be a matter of taking the information already on the ATF form 4473 and putting it in a national database. I think about 6 months should be enough time.

    Along with this, make private sales illegal. When a firearm is transferred, make it law that the registration must be updated. Again, make it super easy to do. Perhaps over, the internet. Dealers can log in by their FFLs and update the registration. Additionally, new guns are to be registered by the manufacturer. The object here is to create a clear paper trail from factory to distributor to dealer to owner. We want to encourage as much voluntary compliance as possible.

    Now we get down to it. The registration period has passed. Now we have criminals without registered guns running around. Probably kooky types that “lost” them on a boat or something. So remember those ATF form 4473s? Those record every firearm sale, going back twenty years. And those have to be surrendered to the ATF on demand. So, we get those logbooks, and cross reference the names and addresses with the new national registry. Since most NRA types own two or (many) more guns, we can get an idea of who properly registered their guns and who didn’t. For example, if we have a guy who purchased 6 guns over the course of 10 years, but only registered two of them, that raises a red flag.

    Now, maybe he sold them or they got lost or something. But it gives us a good target for investigation. A nice visit by the ATF or state police to find out if he really does still have those guns would be certainly warranted. It’s certainly not perfect. People may have gotten guns from parents or family, and not registered them. Perfect is the enemy of pretty darn good, as they say. This exercise isn’t so much to track down every gun ever sold; the main idea would be to profile and investigate people that may not have registered their guns. As an example, I’m not so concerned with the guy who bought that bolt action Mauser a decade ago and doesn’t have anything registered to his name. It’s a pretty good possibility that he sold it, gave it away, or got rid of it somehow. And even if he didn’t, that guy is not who I’m concerned with. I’m concerned that other guy who bought a half dozen assault weapons, registered two hunting rifles, and belongs to the NRA/GOA. He’s the guy who warrants a raid.

    So registration is the first step. Now that the vast majority are registered, we can do what we will. One good first step would be to close the registry to new registrations. This would, in effect, prevent new guns from being made or imported. This would put the murder machine corporations out of business for good, and cut the money supply to the NRA/GOA. As money dries up, the political capital needed for new controls will be greatly reduced.

    There are a few other things I would suggest. I would suggest an immediate, national ban on concealed carry. A ban on internet sales of guns and ammunition is a no brainer. Microstamping would also be a very good thing. Even if the only thing it does is drive up costs, it could still lead to crimes being solved. I’m willing to try every advantage we can get.

    A national Firearms Owner Identification Card might be good, but I’m not sure if it’s necessary if we have a national database. We should also insist on comprehensive insurance and mandatory gun safes, subject to random, spot checks by local and federal law enforcement.

    We must make guns expensive and unpopular, just like cigarettes. A nationwide, antigun campaign paid for by a per gun yearly tax paid by owners, dealers, and manufacturers would work well in this regard. We should also segway into an anti-hunting campaign, like those in the UK. By making hunting expensive and unpopular, we can make the transition to a gun free society much less of a headache for us.

    I know this seems harsh, but this is the only way we can be truly safe. I don’t want my kids being shot at by a deranged NRA member. I’m sure you don’t either. So lets stop looking for short term solutions and start looking long term. Registration is the first step.

    Tell Pres. Obama and democrats in congress to demand mandatory, comprehensive gun registration. It’s the only way we can ban guns with any effectiveness.
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/12/21/1172661/-How-to-Ban-Guns-A-step-by-step-long-term-process

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    Actor Kurt Russell: ‘Absolutely Insane’ to Think Gun Control Will Stop Terrorists http://www.cnsnews.com/blog/penny-starr/actor-kurt-russell-absolutely-insane-think-gun-control-will-stop-terrorists
    …….

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    Actor Kurt Russell: ‘Absolutely Insane’ to Think Gun Control Will Stop Terrorists http://www.cnsnews.com/blog/penny-starr/actor-kurt-russell-absolutely-insane-think-gun-control-will-stop-terrorists
    …….

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    The Myth of The Gun Show Loophole: The Statist Perversion of Our Language Continues
    http://survivalblog.com/the-myth-of-the-gun-show-loophole-the-statist-perversion-of-our-language-continues/
    ……….

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    The Myth of The Gun Show Loophole: The Statist Perversion of Our Language Continues
    http://survivalblog.com/the-myth-of-the-gun-show-loophole-the-statist-perversion-of-our-language-continues/
    ……….

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    Rolling Stone On Assault Weapons Ban(NOT from RS and not what you think)
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3370881/posts

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    Rolling Stone On Assault Weapons Ban(NOT from RS and not what you think)
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3370881/posts

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    Hillary Clinton: NRA Wants People To Think ‘Black Helicopter’ Is Coming To Disarm Americans http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/12/11/hillary-clinton-nra-wants-people-think-black-helicopter-coming-disarm-americans/
    ……………………………
    What is she talking about?
    The national Socialist Left has been talking Confiscation for years now:

    Mr. Cuomo, speaking on WGDJ-AM, said: “Confiscation could be an option.”
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/21/nyregion/cuomo-says-he-will-outline-gun-measures-next-month.html?_r=1&

    MSNBC’s Ed Schultz Talks Gun ‘Confiscation’
    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/dan-gainor/2012/12/16/msnbc-s-ed-schultz-talks-gun-confiscation

    OBAMA ENDORSES AUSTRALIAN-STYLE GUN CONFISCATION
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKSvxz5LHHw

    Clinton: Australian-Style Gun Control ‘Worth Considering’ for U.S
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JctBYrIaKvY

    Yes, They Want to Take Your Guns Away http://thebea.st/1HmJOfM

    A gun-free society http://wapo.st/1LrJxz3

    Clinton Announces Massive Gun Control Plan
    http://dailycaller.com/2015/10/16/clinton-announces-massive-gun-control-plan/

    It’s Time to Ban Guns. Yes, All of Them.
    http://newrepublic.com/article/125498/its-time-ban-guns-yes-them

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    Hillary Clinton: NRA Wants People To Think ‘Black Helicopter’ Is Coming To Disarm Americans http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/12/11/hillary-clinton-nra-wants-people-think-black-helicopter-coming-disarm-americans/
    ……………………………
    What is she talking about?
    The national Socialist Left has been talking Confiscation for years now:

    Mr. Cuomo, speaking on WGDJ-AM, said: “Confiscation could be an option.”
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/21/nyregion/cuomo-says-he-will-outline-gun-measures-next-month.html?_r=1&

    MSNBC’s Ed Schultz Talks Gun ‘Confiscation’
    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/dan-gainor/2012/12/16/msnbc-s-ed-schultz-talks-gun-confiscation

    OBAMA ENDORSES AUSTRALIAN-STYLE GUN CONFISCATION
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKSvxz5LHHw

    Clinton: Australian-Style Gun Control ‘Worth Considering’ for U.S
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JctBYrIaKvY

    Yes, They Want to Take Your Guns Away http://thebea.st/1HmJOfM

    A gun-free society http://wapo.st/1LrJxz3

    Clinton Announces Massive Gun Control Plan
    http://dailycaller.com/2015/10/16/clinton-announces-massive-gun-control-plan/

    It’s Time to Ban Guns. Yes, All of Them.
    http://newrepublic.com/article/125498/its-time-ban-guns-yes-them

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    Armed off-duty officers told to leave concert in Kentucky http://hotair.com/archives/2015/12/12/armed-off-duty-officers-told-to-leave-concert-in-kentucky/
    ……………..

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    Armed off-duty officers told to leave concert in Kentucky http://hotair.com/archives/2015/12/12/armed-off-duty-officers-told-to-leave-concert-in-kentucky/
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    One man with a gun can control 100 without one. Vladimir Lenin

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    One man with a gun can control 100 without one. Vladimir Lenin

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    Confiscation

    Clinton Announces Massive Gun Control Plan http://dailycaller.com/2015/10/16/clinton-announces-massive-gun-control-plan/ via @dailycaller
    ……………….
    Hillary Clinton Describes Semi-Automatic Weapons as ‘Automatic Weapons’ – Breitbart http://bit.ly/1LV5Ihl via @BreitbartNews
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    Jihadi Arming Hillary Clinton: Repeal Second Amendment & Nationwide Gun Ban “Worth Considering” – http://gunsinthenews.com/jihadi-arming-hillary-clinton-repeal-second-amendment-nationwide-gun-ban-worth-considering/
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    MOLON LABE, Mr. Obama – http://gunsinthenews.com/molon-labe-mr-obama/
    ……………………………….
    Blog: Obama’s wink and nod on gun confiscation http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/10/obamas_wink_and_nod_on_gun_confiscation_.html#.Vjew1LCd134.twitter
    …………………………….
    The Immoral, Selfish Act of Gun Control – http://gunsinthenews.com/the-immoral-selfish-act-of-gun-control/
    ……………………………..
    – Bye-Bye Second Amendment http://townhall.com/columnists/dwwilber/2015/06/29/byebye-second-amendment-n2018623
    …………………………………
    Come and take them. Start here.
    http://www.backwoodshome.com/blogs/ClaireWolfe/2015/10/09/come-and-take-them-start-here/

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    Confiscation

    Clinton Announces Massive Gun Control Plan http://dailycaller.com/2015/10/16/clinton-announces-massive-gun-control-plan/ via @dailycaller
    ……………….
    Hillary Clinton Describes Semi-Automatic Weapons as ‘Automatic Weapons’ – Breitbart http://bit.ly/1LV5Ihl via @BreitbartNews
    …………………….
    Jihadi Arming Hillary Clinton: Repeal Second Amendment & Nationwide Gun Ban “Worth Considering” – http://gunsinthenews.com/jihadi-arming-hillary-clinton-repeal-second-amendment-nationwide-gun-ban-worth-considering/
    ……………………………
    MOLON LABE, Mr. Obama – http://gunsinthenews.com/molon-labe-mr-obama/
    ……………………………….
    Blog: Obama’s wink and nod on gun confiscation http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/10/obamas_wink_and_nod_on_gun_confiscation_.html#.Vjew1LCd134.twitter
    …………………………….
    The Immoral, Selfish Act of Gun Control – http://gunsinthenews.com/the-immoral-selfish-act-of-gun-control/
    ……………………………..
    – Bye-Bye Second Amendment http://townhall.com/columnists/dwwilber/2015/06/29/byebye-second-amendment-n2018623
    …………………………………
    Come and take them. Start here.
    http://www.backwoodshome.com/blogs/ClaireWolfe/2015/10/09/come-and-take-them-start-here/

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    Flashback:

    Venezuela’s Maduro launches civilian disarmament plan
    22 September 2014
    Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro has announced he is expanding a plan to disarm civilians.

    Speaking on the International Day of Peace, Mr Maduro said his government would invest $47m (£29m) and create 60 new disarmament centres.

    According to United Nations figures, Venezuela has the second highest peacetime murder rate in the world after Honduras.

    Most of the murders in Venezuela are committed using firearms.

    “We are building peace from within, and for that, you need disarmament,” the president said at an event in the capital, Caracas.
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-29308509

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    Hillary Clinton: Need ban on assault rifles https://youtu.be/zvomInWt3ps via @YouTube

    Clinton: ‘Deep-Seated Cultural Codes, Religious Beliefs…Have to Be Changed’
    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/clinton-deep-seated-cultural-codes-religious-beliefshave-be-changed#.VT5NiF2pZJw.twitter

    At her first Iowa stop, Hillary calls for constitutional limits on free speech
    http://news.investors.com/politics-andrew-malcolm/041515-747902-hillary-clinton-in-iowa-seeks-constitutional-amendment-on-campaign-money.htm

    Hillary Clinton: Need ban on assault rifles https://youtu.be/zvomInWt3ps via @YouTube

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    Flashback:

    Venezuela’s Maduro launches civilian disarmament plan
    22 September 2014
    Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro has announced he is expanding a plan to disarm civilians.

    Speaking on the International Day of Peace, Mr Maduro said his government would invest $47m (£29m) and create 60 new disarmament centres.

    According to United Nations figures, Venezuela has the second highest peacetime murder rate in the world after Honduras.

    Most of the murders in Venezuela are committed using firearms.

    “We are building peace from within, and for that, you need disarmament,” the president said at an event in the capital, Caracas.
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-29308509

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    Stop the insanity: Ban guns January 7, 2015 Tallahassee Democrat

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    Stop the insanity: Ban guns January 7, 2015 Tallahassee Democrat http://www.tallahassee.com/story/opinion/columnists/ensley/2014/11/22/stop-insanity-ban-guns/19426029/

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    Stop the insanity: Ban guns
    Gerald Ensley, Democrat senior writer 9:28 a.m. EST January 7, 2015
    [..]
    I’m not talking about gun control. I’m not talking about waiting periods and background checks.

    I’m talking about flat-out banning the possession of handguns and assault rifles by individual citizens. I’m talking about repealing or amending the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.
    [..]
    One of the frequent refrains of gun freaks about President Obama is “He’s coming for our guns.” Obama never said such a thing. But I will:
    We’re coming for your guns. And someday, we’ll take them.
    Contact Gerald Ensley at 599-2310 or gensley@tallahassee.com.
    http://www.tallahassee.com/story/opinion/columnists/ensley/2014/11/22/stop-insanity-ban-guns/19426029/

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    Stop the insanity: Ban guns
    Gerald Ensley, Democrat senior writer 9:28 a.m. EST January 7, 2015
    [..]
    I’m not talking about gun control. I’m not talking about waiting periods and background checks.

    I’m talking about flat-out banning the possession of handguns and assault rifles by individual citizens. I’m talking about repealing or amending the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.
    […]
    Gun freaks insist we need to arm more people. They glibly say shooting sprees happen in “gun free zones,” like schools and universities, where gunmen could be stopped if everyone had a gun. That theory is absurd.

    Police and military train for years to use a gun competently in stressful situations – and even they don’t always respond correctly. Think Ferguson, Mo. Think Charlotte, N.C. Think New York City in 2012 where two cops shot nine bystanders as they wildly tried to shoot a man who had gunned down a co-worker.

    The idea of 500 students in a college library or a dozen teachers in an elementary school pulling out guns to shoot a gunman is ludicrous. They would wind up shooting each other.

    Gun freaks say if you take away their guns only outlaws will have guns. That’s a chance worth taking. Because if we ban guns, eventually the tide will turn. It might take 10 years or 20 years. Hell, it might take 50 years. But if we make it illegal to own a handgun, eventually there will be no handguns.
    [..]
    Let the hunters keep their rifles and shotguns; those weapons are ineffective tools in a mass shooting. But we need to ban handguns and assault rifles for all but police and military.
    [..]
    One of the frequent refrains of gun freaks about President Obama is “He’s coming for our guns.” Obama never said such a thing. But I will:
    We’re coming for your guns. And someday, we’ll take them.
    Contact Gerald Ensley at 599-2310 or gensley@tallahassee.com.
    http://www.tallahassee.com/story/opinion/columnists/ensley/2014/11/22/stop-insanity-ban-guns/19426029/

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    Stop the insanity: Ban guns
    Gerald Ensley, Democrat senior writer 9:28 a.m. EST January 7, 2015
    It’s the guns, stupid.

    The shootings Thursday at the Florida State University library. The shootings Saturday in a northwest Tallahassee neighborhood. The shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut. The shooting of Arizona U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords. The shootings at Virginia Tech. The 10,000 senseless shooting deaths that happen every year in this country.

    Take away guns and they don’t happen.

    How is it that the supposed greatest nation on earth refuses to stop the unholy availability of guns?

    I’m not talking about gun control. I’m not talking about waiting periods and background checks.

    I’m talking about flat-out banning the possession of handguns and assault rifles by individual citizens. I’m talking about repealing or amending the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

    The Second Amendment has been misinterpreted. It says guns are permitted to a “well-regulated militia.” That means trained citizen soldiers called into action for emergencies — because in colonial times every able-bodied man was required to be a member of the militia. It does not mean everyone with $50 and a driver’s license is entitled to own a gun.

    That’s what former Supreme Court Chief Justice Warren Burger said in 1990, when he called claims of Second Amendment protection of individual gun ownership, “a fraud on the American public.” Earlier this year, retired Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens called the Second Amendment one of the six great flaws with the U.S. Constitution. He called for it to be amended to say gun possession was only for state militias, not individuals.

    Every legal opinion for 200 years denied individual gun ownership was a right — until the steady lobbying of the National Rifle Association created a climate that allowed a conservative U.S. Supreme Court in 2008 to strike down a handgun ban in the District of Columbia, and fuel the sense of entitlement of gun owners.

    Gun supporters say, “It’s not guns that cause gun violence, it’s mentally ill people with guns; fix the mentally ill.” Even if those same people did not oppose government spending on the mentally ill — which they have for decades — there is no predicting when mental illness will express itself in violence.

    All of those who knew FSU library shooter Myron May called him the “last person” from whom they would have expected violence. They all knew he was mentally troubled. But they said he didn’t even like guns.

    You can’t prevent mental illness. You can prevent humans from having easy access to tools they can use to harm other people.

    Talk about mental illness: The United States is insane about guns. We lead the world in gun ownership, with almost one per capita. That’s twice the percentage of the next closest country.

    The United States doesn’t lead the world in gun violence. Just the civilized world.

    According to a United Nations survey, the United States annually averages 3 firearm homicides per 100,000 population. Fourteen countries topped that figure — but they were almost exclusively Third World countries.

    Among the 24 most affluent nations of the world, the U.S. is the far and away leader in gun homicides. None of the other 23 affluent nations has a rate above 1 firearm death per 100,000 population.

    Gun freaks insist we need to arm more people. They glibly say shooting sprees happen in “gun free zones,” like schools and universities, where gunmen could be stopped if everyone had a gun. That theory is absurd.

    Police and military train for years to use a gun competently in stressful situations – and even they don’t always respond correctly. Think Ferguson, Mo. Think Charlotte, N.C. Think New York City in 2012 where two cops shot nine bystanders as they wildly tried to shoot a man who had gunned down a co-worker.

    The idea of 500 students in a college library or a dozen teachers in an elementary school pulling out guns to shoot a gunman is ludicrous. They would wind up shooting each other.

    Gun freaks say if you take away their guns only outlaws will have guns. That’s a chance worth taking. Because if we ban guns, eventually the tide will turn. It might take 10 years or 20 years. Hell, it might take 50 years. But if we make it illegal to own a handgun, eventually there will be no handguns.

    The same gun freaks believe in banning drugs. They believe in banning abortions. They recognize society bans certain things for the good of society. We should ban guns for the good of society.

    People have romanticized guns. The Founding Fathers. The Old West. Self-defense — and never mind the average American has only a one in 250 chance of being the victim of a violent crime. It’s all a delusion. Guns kill. They kill people from a distance. They kill strangers and children who have no relationship with the gunman.

    Let the hunters keep their rifles and shotguns; those weapons are ineffective tools in a mass shooting. But we need to ban handguns and assault rifles for all but police and military.

    This is an uphill battle. Despite daily front-page stories of shooting sprees and killings, Americans don’t want to give up their guns. Over the past 10 years, the percentage of Americans who support stricter guns laws has dropped from 60 percent to 47 percent. In a recent survey, 73 percent of Americans oppose banning handguns.

    But those of us who think widespread handgun ownership is insane need to keep speaking up. We need to teach our children handguns are wrong. We need to support any measure that limits their availability — and work to repeal the Second Amendment. We need to keep marching forward until someday this nation becomes civilized enough to ban guns.

    One of the frequent refrains of gun freaks about President Obama is “He’s coming for our guns.” Obama never said such a thing. But I will:

    We’re coming for your guns. And someday, we’ll take them.

    Contact Gerald Ensley at 599-2310 or gensley@tallahassee.com.
    http://www.tallahassee.com/story/opinion/columnists/ensley/2014/11/22/stop-insanity-ban-guns/19426029/

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    Stop the insanity: Ban guns
    Gerald Ensley, Democrat senior writer 9:28 a.m. EST January 7, 2015
    It’s the guns, stupid.

    The shootings Thursday at the Florida State University library. The shootings Saturday in a northwest Tallahassee neighborhood. The shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut. The shooting of Arizona U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords. The shootings at Virginia Tech. The 10,000 senseless shooting deaths that happen every year in this country.

    Take away guns and they don’t happen.

    How is it that the supposed greatest nation on earth refuses to stop the unholy availability of guns?

    I’m not talking about gun control. I’m not talking about waiting periods and background checks.

    I’m talking about flat-out banning the possession of handguns and assault rifles by individual citizens. I’m talking about repealing or amending the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

    The Second Amendment has been misinterpreted. It says guns are permitted to a “well-regulated militia.” That means trained citizen soldiers called into action for emergencies — because in colonial times every able-bodied man was required to be a member of the militia. It does not mean everyone with $50 and a driver’s license is entitled to own a gun.

    That’s what former Supreme Court Chief Justice Warren Burger said in 1990, when he called claims of Second Amendment protection of individual gun ownership, “a fraud on the American public.” Earlier this year, retired Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens called the Second Amendment one of the six great flaws with the U.S. Constitution. He called for it to be amended to say gun possession was only for state militias, not individuals.

    Every legal opinion for 200 years denied individual gun ownership was a right — until the steady lobbying of the National Rifle Association created a climate that allowed a conservative U.S. Supreme Court in 2008 to strike down a handgun ban in the District of Columbia, and fuel the sense of entitlement of gun owners.

    Gun supporters say, “It’s not guns that cause gun violence, it’s mentally ill people with guns; fix the mentally ill.” Even if those same people did not oppose government spending on the mentally ill — which they have for decades — there is no predicting when mental illness will express itself in violence.

    All of those who knew FSU library shooter Myron May called him the “last person” from whom they would have expected violence. They all knew he was mentally troubled. But they said he didn’t even like guns.

    You can’t prevent mental illness. You can prevent humans from having easy access to tools they can use to harm other people.

    Talk about mental illness: The United States is insane about guns. We lead the world in gun ownership, with almost one per capita. That’s twice the percentage of the next closest country.

    The United States doesn’t lead the world in gun violence. Just the civilized world.

    According to a United Nations survey, the United States annually averages 3 firearm homicides per 100,000 population. Fourteen countries topped that figure — but they were almost exclusively Third World countries.

    Among the 24 most affluent nations of the world, the U.S. is the far and away leader in gun homicides. None of the other 23 affluent nations has a rate above 1 firearm death per 100,000 population.

    Gun freaks insist we need to arm more people. They glibly say shooting sprees happen in “gun free zones,” like schools and universities, where gunmen could be stopped if everyone had a gun. That theory is absurd.

    Police and military train for years to use a gun competently in stressful situations – and even they don’t always respond correctly. Think Ferguson, Mo. Think Charlotte, N.C. Think New York City in 2012 where two cops shot nine bystanders as they wildly tried to shoot a man who had gunned down a co-worker.

    The idea of 500 students in a college library or a dozen teachers in an elementary school pulling out guns to shoot a gunman is ludicrous. They would wind up shooting each other.

    Gun freaks say if you take away their guns only outlaws will have guns. That’s a chance worth taking. Because if we ban guns, eventually the tide will turn. It might take 10 years or 20 years. Hell, it might take 50 years. But if we make it illegal to own a handgun, eventually there will be no handguns.

    The same gun freaks believe in banning drugs. They believe in banning abortions. They recognize society bans certain things for the good of society. We should ban guns for the good of society.

    People have romanticized guns. The Founding Fathers. The Old West. Self-defense — and never mind the average American has only a one in 250 chance of being the victim of a violent crime. It’s all a delusion. Guns kill. They kill people from a distance. They kill strangers and children who have no relationship with the gunman.

    Let the hunters keep their rifles and shotguns; those weapons are ineffective tools in a mass shooting. But we need to ban handguns and assault rifles for all but police and military.

    This is an uphill battle. Despite daily front-page stories of shooting sprees and killings, Americans don’t want to give up their guns. Over the past 10 years, the percentage of Americans who support stricter guns laws has dropped from 60 percent to 47 percent. In a recent survey, 73 percent of Americans oppose banning handguns.

    But those of us who think widespread handgun ownership is insane need to keep speaking up. We need to teach our children handguns are wrong. We need to support any measure that limits their availability — and work to repeal the Second Amendment. We need to keep marching forward until someday this nation becomes civilized enough to ban guns.

    One of the frequent refrains of gun freaks about President Obama is “He’s coming for our guns.” Obama never said such a thing. But I will:

    We’re coming for your guns. And someday, we’ll take them.

    Contact Gerald Ensley at 599-2310 or gensley@tallahassee.com.
    http://www.tallahassee.com/story/opinion/columnists/ensley/2014/11/22/stop-insanity-ban-guns/19426029/

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    Strong Words For A Center-Right Law Prof http://wp.me/p1zsyr-aIQ via @wordpressdotcom

    Strong Words For A Center-Right Law Prof
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    …The only reason for not tarring and feathering any government official for effrontery when they tell us what to do is that their power to do so is somehow legitimate.
    But that legitimacy comes from the exercise of constitutional power.

    If the Constitution doesn’t mean anything, well, then, maybe it’s time to go long on pitchforks.

    Because without the Constitution the angry mob is just as legitimate as the perfumed princes of the state.
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    https://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2015/12/01/strong-words-for-a-center-right-law-prof/comment-page-1/#comment-149912


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    JOSH BLACKMAN SPANKS RICHARD POSNER: Posner: The 14th Amendment is “Old, Cryptic, or Vague.” Bu… http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/220158/

    JOSH BLACKMAN SPANKS RICHARD POSNER:
    Posner: The 14th Amendment is “Old, Cryptic, or Vague.” But What About Article III? “At bottom, Posner candidly rejects any fidelity to the text of the Constitution. That invariably includes, of course, the parchment barrier that allows him to append the honorific ‘Judge’ to his name. Yes, Richard Posner’s powers derive not from his boundless intellect, but from the bounds of Article III.”

    This has implications that go far beyond the judiciary.
    The only reason for not tarring and feathering any government official for effrontery when they tell us what to do is that their power to do so is somehow legitimate.
    But that legitimacy comes from the exercise of constitutional power.
    If the Constitution doesn’t mean anything, well, then, maybe it’s time to go long on pitchforks.
    Because without the Constitution the angry mob is just as legitimate as the perfumed princes of the state.

    http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/220158/

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    Real Time with Bill Maher Episode 231 November 4, 2011
    Quotes
    On The Second Amendment:
    “In the grand scheme of the rights that we have: right of assembly, free speech…owning a gun does not tally on the same level as those other Constitutional rights we’re given.” -Alex Wagner

    Real Time with Bill Maher Episode 231 November 4, 2011
    Quotes
    On The Second Amendment:

    “In the grand scheme of the rights that we have: right of assembly, free speech…owning a gun does not tally on the same level as those other Constitutional rights we’re given.” -Alex Wagner
    https://www.hbo.com/real-time-with-bill-maher/episodes/0/231-episode/synopsis/quotes.html#/real-time-with-bill-maher/episodes/0/231-episode/guest-stars.html

    Real Time with Bill Maher Episode 231 November 4, 2011
    Quotes
    On Herman Cain:

    “I have a lot of Herman Cain jokes, but I can’t do them. I am bound by a confidentiality agreement.” -Bill Maher

    “Herman Cain…is not a practiced politician. He’s not professional. And he proves it every day.” -Bill Maher

    “I would like to report that the sexual harassment allegations have caused Republicans to have to find another completely unqualified, token black man. But, that’s not what happened.” -Bill Maher

    “Some Godfather’s Pizza customers said they found it odd that he would tell them to ‘hold the sausage.'” -Bill Maher

    “I have been covering scandals on television for almost 20 years. I’ve seen a lot of them come and go…I’ve never seen somebody who had a scandal, and then went up in the polls.” -Bill Maher

    “[Cain] is someone that has, like, the Bazooka Joe school of domestic policy, which is like funny zingers wrapped around a bubblegum center.” -Alex Wagner

    “That’s the real scandal, is that he’s dumb. It’s not the sex. It’s the ‘dumb.'” -Bill Maher

    “Cain, I enjoy the way he talks…I do like the fact that he doesn’t speak in political terms.” -Bill Engvall
    On Delaware:

    “I think, like, half the publicly-traded corporations in America are registered in Delaware, even though there’s really no one in the office except a monkey and a fax machine.” -Bill Maher

    “I’m the attorney general of a little state called Delaware, and I focused on MERS, which is a Delaware corporation, as I said, that has 50 employees who are in charge of trying to keep track of 30 million mortgages in America. Fifty people keeping track of 30 million. You ask yourself why we have a foreclosure crisis. It begins there.” -Beau Biden

    “This is something new in politics, where Wall Street was sort of betting on things to fail, as opposed to for things to succeed.” -Bill Maher

    “It’s ridiculous that Delaware, with 900,000 people, should get two senators, and so should California, which has 36 million people.” -Bill Maher

    “I don’t think we need to monkey with the Constitution. I don’t think we need to monkey with the electoral college.” -Beau Biden
    On The Republican Field:

    “I’m for [Mitt Romney], too. I mean, as far as Republicans go. Because, at least he eats with a knife and fork, compared to the rest of the people in that field.” -Bill Maher

    “I don’t think people really delve into candidates…they don’t really look deep into what they’re voting for.” -Bill Engvall
    On Partisan Politics:

    “Obama wanted to pass his jobs bill several months ago…First it was, ‘Pass this bill!’ Remember that? Then it was, ‘We can’t wait!’ Now, it’s, ‘For fuck’s sake!'” -Bill Maher

    “Congress is an amorphous figure. Everyone hates it, but they like their congressman, which is why you don’t see much change in the bi-annual elections.” -Gov. David Patterson

    “I understand why the one percent, the richest one percent, vote for the Republicans. I don’t understand why anybody else does. I really don’t.” -Bill Maher

    “I think that, while we’ve got all these little, peripheral issues that have their own importance, I think the general consensus in this country is, ‘Give me a job and let me provide for my family.'” -Bill Engvall
    On Being Rich In America:

    “It’s a total fluke, what makes you rich in this country.” -Bill Maher

    “If you and I, either one of us, did not learn when we were very young, to tell jokes, we wouldn’t have any money.” -Bill Maher, to Bill Engvall

    “The difference between the Koch brothers and George Soros is that George Soros advocates against his economic interests.” -Bill Maher
    On Pot:

    “Well, medical marijuana, I think, is something where red and blue America agree.” -Bill Maher

    “I honestly don’t believe that marijuana is any worse than a kid sitting around doing shots of Jagermeister or tequila.” -Bill Engvall
    On OWS:

    “There are a lot of criticisms of Occupy Wall Street. They may not really have leaders. They may not really understand the relationship they have to have with the same community that they’re trying to represent. The reason I think this is happening is that nobody has protested anything in this country for 30 years.” -Gov. David Patterson

    “There is a sense of disenfranchisement in this country that is palpable. And I think it’s – it’s only right that people are taking to the streets to protest that.” -Alex Wagner

    “Revolutions don’t come because there’s injustice. They begin with hope.” -Gov. David Patterson
    On The Second Amendment:

    “In the grand scheme of the rights that we have: right of assembly, free speech…owning a gun does not tally on the same level as those other Constitutional rights we’re given.” -Alex Wagner

    “My belief is if we take away that right to bear arms, the only people who are going to have the arms are the people who are going to be the ones breaking into your house.” -Bill Engvall

    “I don’t believe there’s any reason for a person like myself to own an AK-47…it’s not used for hunting; it would ruin any of the meat…” -Bill Engvall

    “We have a problem in America, which is that we misunderstand, quite frankly, what the Second Amendment is for. It’s for law-abiding citizens to have a right, both to protect themselves and to be protected from living under tyranny.” -Darrell Issa
    https://www.hbo.com/real-time-with-bill-maher/episodes/0/231-episode/synopsis/quotes.html#/real-time-with-bill-maher/episodes/0/231-episode/guest-stars.html

  • No one teaches Greek Mythology in school anymore, or we would all recognize the Hubris of the left. And ‘whom gods destroy, they first make mad.’

    That’s my definition of anyone who wants to take an AR-platform in.40 S&W up against anything that can put its slugs inside an inch at 100yds.

  • No one teaches Greek Mythology in school anymore, or we would all recognize the Hubris of the left. And ‘whom gods destroy, they first make mad.’

    That’s my definition of anyone who wants to take an AR-platform in.40 S&W up against anything that can put its slugs inside an inch at 100yds.

  • Okay, how can we bring them to bar? They’d just hide behind Amendment 1. Perhaps we could invoke the ‘aid and comfort’ clause.

    Treason still carries the death penalty. If the courts don’t like the drug cocktails the states use, there are still lots of ropes, trees, and lampposts!

  • Okay, how can we bring them to bar? They’d just hide behind Amendment 1. Perhaps we could invoke the ‘aid and comfort’ clause.

    Treason still carries the death penalty. If the courts don’t like the drug cocktails the states use, there are still lots of ropes, trees, and lampposts!

  • To the International Space Station, then out the airlock without benefit of pressure suit!

    Expensive, but the color photos and videos of explosive decompression would be a fearsome deterrent!

  • To the International Space Station, then out the airlock without benefit of pressure suit!

    Expensive, but the color photos and videos of explosive decompression would be a fearsome deterrent!

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    A gun-free society http://wapo.st/1LrJxz3

    A gun-free society
    By Fred Hiatt Editorial page editor October 4
    Maybe it’s time to start using the words that the NRA has turned into unmentionables.
    Prohibition.

    Mass buyback.
    Yes, even saying these words makes the NRA happy. It fuels the slippery-slope argument the gun lobby uses to oppose even the most modest, common-sense reforms. You see? Background checks today, confiscation tomorrow.

    But the incremental approach is not succeeding. It sets increasingly modest goals, increasingly polite goals: close a loophole here, restrict a particularly lethal weapon there. Talk about gun safety and public health. Say “reform,” not “control.”
    […]
    The Supreme Court, which has misread the Second Amendment in its recent decisions, would have to revisit the issue. The court has corrected itself before, and if public opinion shifts it could correct itself again. If it did not, the Constitution would have to be amended.

    It sounds hard, I know. But it’s possible that if we started talking more honestly about the most logical, long-term goal, public opinion would begin to shift and the short-term gains would become more, not less likely, as the NRA had to play defense. We might end up with a safer country.

    There are strong arguments against setting a gun-free society as the goal, but there are 100,000 arguments in favor — that’s how many of us get shot every year. Every year 11,000 Americans are murdered. Every year some 20,000 kill themselves with guns.

    Without guns — with only kitchen knives at hand — some of those people would die. Most would still be living.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/a-gun-free-society/2015/10/04/6da29040-69c4-11e5-9ef3-fde182507eac_story.html

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    ‘Turn in your guns’ Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Texas) December 19, 2012,

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    House Dem: ‘Turn in your guns’
    December 19, 2012, 05:40 pm
    By Pete Kasperowicz
    Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Texas) on Wednesday afternoon urged people to turn in their guns, arguing it would be an appropriate response to last week’s mass shooting in Newtown, Conn.
    http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/273753-house-dem-calls-on-people-to-turn-in-your-guns

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    House Dem: ‘Turn in your guns’
    December 19, 2012, 05:40 pm
    By Pete Kasperowicz
    Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Texas) on Wednesday afternoon urged people to turn in their guns, arguing it would be an appropriate response to last week’s mass shooting in Newtown, Conn.

    “I would personally just say to those who are listening, maybe you want to turn in your guns,” Jackson Lee said on the House floor. “Oh no, I’m not going to take your guns. But look at what Dick’s Sporting Goods did … they wanted to be part of the solution and part of America.”

    Dick’s Sporting Goods announced this week that it would stop selling and displaying guns at its store closest to Newtown and would suspend the sale of modern sporting rifles nationwide out of respect for the victims of the shooting.

    “We are extremely saddened by the unspeakable tragedy that occurred last week in Newtown, CT, and our hearts go out to the victims and their families, and to the entire community,” the retail chain said in a statement on its website. “We continue to extend our deepest sympathies to those affected by this terrible tragedy.”

    While Jackson Lee said she would not take guns away from people, she noted that she is the sponsor of legislation, H.R. 227. That bill would raise the eligibility to carry a handgun from 18 to 21 and ban people under 21 from possessing semiautomatic assault weapons.

    Her bill, the Child Gun Safety and Gun Access Prevention Act, would also increase penalties for repeat violations of gun possession under the Brady Act and prohibit the keeping of a loaded firearm in any premises where there is a risk that the firearm could harm a child.

    She encouraged House members to support her bill, which was introduced in January 2011 and at this point has no co-sponsors.

    “Let us mourn with action,” she said.
    http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/273753-house-dem-calls-on-people-to-turn-in-your-guns

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    The latest prediction that the NRA is going to collapse any day now… http://hotair.com/archives/2015/10/20/the-latest-prediction-that-the-nra-is-going-to-collapse-any-day-now/

    The NRA will fall. It’s inevitable. http://wapo.st/1LG6m0d

    The NRA will fall. It’s inevitable.
    Just look at the demographics.

    By Adam Winkler October 19
    The recent deadly shooting at an Oregon community college, like so many before it, isn’t likely to lead to new federal laws designed to curb dangerous people’s access to guns. While this understandably frustrates supporters of gun safety legislation, there is reason for them to be hopeful. The National Rifle Association’s days of being a political powerhouse may be numbered.

    Why? The answer is in the numbers.

    Support for, and opposition to, gun control is closely associated with several demographic characteristics, including race, level of education and whether one lives in a city. Nearly all are trending forcefully against the NRA.

    The core of the NRA’s support comes from white, rural and relatively less educated voters. This demographic is currently influential in politics but clearly on the wane. While the decline of white, rural, less educated Americans is generally well known, less often recognized is what this means for gun legislation.

    Polls show that whites tend to favor gun rights over gun control by a significant margin (57 percent to 40 percent). Yet whites, who comprise 63 percent of the population today, won’t be in the majority for long. Racial minorities are soon to be a majority, and they are the nation’s strongest supporters of strict gun laws.

    An overwhelming majority of African Americans say that gun control is more important than gun rights (72 percent to 24 percent). While the African American population shows signs of slow growth, other racial minority groups are growing more rapidly — and report even greater support for gun control.

    The fastest-growing minority group in America is Latinos. Between 2000 and 2010, the nation’s Latino population grew by 43 percent. Hispanics, which make up 17 percent of the population today, are expected to grow to 30 percent of the population in the coming decades.

    Gun control is extremely popular among Hispanics, with 75 percent favoring gun safety over gun rights.

    Asian Americans also represent a growing anti-gun demographic. Although only about 5 percent of the population today, the Asian American population is predicted to triple over the next few decades. A recent poll of Asian American registered voters found that 80 percent supported stricter gun laws.

    After the 2012 election, Republican officials said the party needed to do more to appeal to the growing population of racial minorities. Yet the party’s refusal to bend on gun legislation highlights the difficulty of such efforts. If the GOP compromises on guns to appeal to minorities, it might lose support among its core of white voters.

    Rural Americans tend to oppose gun control, with 63 percent saying that gun rights are more important than gun control. The country, however, is becoming less rural and more urban. Recent years have witnessed a significant increase in the number of people living in cities, with big metropolitan areas experiencing double-digit growth.

    This shift, like that on race, is a boon for gun control. Urban residents strongly prefer gun control to gun rights (60 percent to 38 percent), for reasons that aren’t hard to understand. When gun violence is on your television news every night and police are commonplace, people may come to view guns more as a threat than a savior.

    Support for gun control is correlated, too, with levels of education. Gun rights are favored by a slim majority of those who attended only high school (50 percent to 47 percent). Among those with a college degree, however, 58 percent favor gun control, compared with 38 percent for gun rights. This demographic is also trending in a favorable direction for gun control advocates. Between 2002 and 2012, enrollment in degree-granting institutions increased by 24 percent.

    Other changes occurring in the United States further complicate matters for the nation’s leading gun rights organization. For years, the NRA focused on the interests of hunters and recreational shooters. As hunting declined precipitously after 1970 (when over 40 million Americans had hunting licenses, compared with 14 million today), the NRA’s justification for gun ownership shifted toward self-defense.

    During the 1970s and ’80s, when crime rates were skyrocketing, the self-defense argument easily found an audience. Yet recent years have seen a drastic reduction in crime; today the crime rate is half of what it was in 1980. Given that this drop coincided with a serious economic downturn, which is usually a predictor of an increase in crime, it is not unreasonable to predict that crime rates aren’t likely to climb significantly anytime soon.

    There is one demographic change that helps the NRA. Americans are aging, and older people tend to favor gun rights over gun control by a slim margin (48 percent to 47 percent). Yet these numbers aren’t radically different from young people (48 percent to 50 percent), so even an aging population won’t be nearly enough to counter the other, stronger demographic shifts.

    Of course, the NRA will continue to fight, and fight hard, against gun control. But the heart of the organization’s power is the voters it can turn out to vote, and they are likely to decline in number. Unless the organization begins to soften its no-compromises stance on gun safety legislation, it’s likely to become increasingly marginalized in a changing America.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/10/19/the-nra-will-fall-its-inevitable/

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    “Ban, seize semi-auto weapons”State Rep. Dan Muhlbauer, D-Manilla December 19, 2012

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    Muhlbauer: Ban, seize semi-auto weapons
    The Democratic legislator hopes gun owners will surrender the weapons

    Muhlbauer: Ban, seize semi-auto weapons
    The Daily Times Herald has released the unabridged, unedited audio of the full 15:02 interview on 12/19/12 with Iowa State Rep. Dan Muhlbauer, D-Manilla, from which the newspaper compiled this article.

    State Rep. Dan Muhlbauer, D-Manilla, says Iowa lawmakers should ban semi-automatic guns and “start taking them” from owners who refuse to surrender any illegal firearms through a buy-back program.

    In an interview, a fiery Muhlbauer said it is time to act with “radical changes” on gun laws and other issues to protect schoolchildren from shooting sprees like the one last week in Newtown, Conn.

    “We cannot have big guns out here as far as the big guns that are out here, the semi-automatics and all of them,” Muhlbauer said. “We can’t have those running around out here. Those are not hunting weapons.”

    He added, “We should ban those in Iowa.”

    Muhlbauer, who did not list the specific weapons he wants outlawed in The Daily Times Herald interview, said he would like to see the ban implemented in a retroactive fashion.

    “Even if you have them, I think we need to start taking them,” Muhlbauer said. “We can’t have those out there. Because if they’re out there they’re just going to get circulated around to the wrong people. Those guns should not be in the public’s hands. There are just too big of guns.”
    http://carrollspaper.com/Content/Local-News-Archive/Local-News/Article/Muhlbauer-Ban-seize-semi-auto-weapons/1/1/14934

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    Muhlbauer: Ban, seize semi-auto weapons
    The Democratic legislator hopes gun owners will surrender the weapons

    Muhlbauer: Ban, seize semi-auto weapons
    The Democratic legislator hopes gun owners will surrender the weapons
    By DOUGLAS BURNS, Staff Writer
    [For the latest on Muhlbauer and his most recent statement, click HERE].
    The Daily Times Herald has released the unabridged, unedited audio of the full 15:02 interview on 12/19/12 with Iowa State Rep. Dan Muhlbauer, D-Manilla, from which the newspaper compiled this article.

    State Rep. Dan Muhlbauer, D-Manilla, says Iowa lawmakers should ban semi-automatic guns and “start taking them” from owners who refuse to surrender any illegal firearms through a buy-back program.

    In an interview, a fiery Muhlbauer said it is time to act with “radical changes” on gun laws and other issues to protect schoolchildren from shooting sprees like the one last week in Newtown, Conn.

    “We cannot have big guns out here as far as the big guns that are out here, the semi-automatics and all of them,” Muhlbauer said. “We can’t have those running around out here. Those are not hunting weapons.”

    He added, “We should ban those in Iowa.”

    Muhlbauer, who did not list the specific weapons he wants outlawed in The Daily Times Herald interview, said he would like to see the ban implemented in a retroactive fashion.

    “Even if you have them, I think we need to start taking them,” Muhlbauer said. “We can’t have those out there. Because if they’re out there they’re just going to get circulated around to the wrong people. Those guns should not be in the public’s hands. There are just too big of guns.”

    If such a ban were implemented, Muhlbauer suggested a voluntary buy-back plan. But he would go further if needed.

    “If we find them on the street, there’s going to have to be some sort of penalty for them,” Muhlbauer said. “We just don’t need “em out there.”

    Templeton Mayor Ken Behrens, a Republican, said Muhlbauer’s proposal smacks of an overreach that is out of touch with Carroll County.

    “I would hate to see a law where it would be mandated that somebody start taking guns,” Behrens said. “I don’t think that would go over well.”

    Muhlbauer said the state also should eye more careful screening of who enters schools, government buildings and other facilities. He also suggested consideration of steel doors to prevent entry to classrooms by gunmen. Metal detectors or armed guards at schools may be legitimate options as well, he said.

    “We have not done enough in the past, and this is running away from us,” Muhlbauer said. “We can’t have this anymore.”

    Muhlbauer, a cattleman and farmer, owns three guns – a .410 shotgun, a .22 rifle and a .22 pistol.

    He does some pheasant hunting and skeet shooting with the guns.

    Muhlbauer said flatly that he’s not frightened politically by the National Rifle Association or the Iowa Gun Owners.

    “As you know, the last couple of years I’ve been fighting against them,” Muhlbauer said. “I have told them time and time again, “You guys are wanting the gun laws so loose that that pendulum is going to swing back and it’s going to bite you.’ And that’s just what we don’t to see happen now. We want to put in stricter rules with common sense. I don’t want to have the gun laws slung back so far that we start taking guns away and start limiting them to where people cannot enjoy guns, those that want to have it. And that’s what I’m afraid, if we keep having these incidents happen, is what’s going to happen.”

    Muhlbauer said promoting tough gun laws and protecting children in schools are important enough to lose an election advocating.

    “We’re talking people’s lives,” Muhlbauer said. “You want to start losing children’s lives and adult lives over a gun issue because the NRA thinks we’re stepping on somebody’s toes?”

    Muhlbauer said a constituent approached him and suggested that the government place a chip in every gun that would ignite sensors should those guns cross into secure areas like school zones.

    “I think that’s carrying it too far,” Muhlbauer said.

    But he said the response to the school shootings has to amount to more than legislative tinkering.

    “With all these shootings going on we have to start making radical changes and radical choices from what we’ve done in the past,” Muhlbauer said.

    Muhlbauer’s views on guns differ dramatically from those of another rural western Iowa politician, U.S. Rep. Steve King, R-Kiron.

    “We hunt, we target shoot, we do self-defense,” King said this fall in a 4th District congressional debate at Christ Church on the Northwestern College campus in Orange City. “Those three with guns that are Second Amendment guarantees, those aren’t the reasons why we have the Second Amendment. They’re the benefits we get from the Second Amendment. The reason we have the Second Amendment is to guard against tyranny because our Founding Fathers understood that if you did not have an armed populace, a tyrant could take over America so we have a responsibility not just to defend the Second Amendment in words, but do so in deed by hunting and target practicing and also self-defense.”

    King said in that debate with Democrat Christie Vilsack that his household is armed with an AR-15 semi-automatic gun that is effective in dealing with coyotes.

    “I think he’s getting a little ridiculous,” Muhlbauer said. “We don’t need these big of guns out there to take care of coyotes. You don’t need that big of a gun to shoot a coyote with. Actually, we have a lot of people that go after them, and they trap “em.”

    In coming months, Muhlbauer said, he will work to unite rural and urban legislators on efforts to prevent school shooting sprees and other violence.

    Mental health must be up to date and not full of loopholes, he said. Muhlbauer also identified violent video games as a concern.

    “We’ve got these video games out here for these little kids,” he said. “Maybe it’s time we start pulling them away. They’re playing some really nasty games on there that are shoot-“em-up. Evidently our culture is pointing toward this.”

    Muhlbauer said he doesn’t know how the Legislature would go about prohibiting children from playing video games he finds objectionable.

    “As parents, they’re going to have start watching what their kids are doing more closely,” he said.
    http://carrollspaper.com/Content/Local-News-Archive/Local-News/Article/Muhlbauer-Ban-seize-semi-auto-weapons/1/1/14934

  • 762×51

    WHEN this happens, and it IS going to happen, the casualties will be determined by one factor, whether the oath takers honor their oath and support and defend the Constitution, or whether they decide to enforce tyranny. If your local police and especially sheriff enforce the tyranny being put in place now, the death toll will be catastrophic. If they do not, then a quick and dirty civil war is possible, simple as that. There will be blood, probably before Nov. 2016, if not it will happen soon thereafter. Timing is subjective, regardless, it will happen sooner rather than later. .

  • 762×51

    WHEN this happens, and it IS going to happen, the casualties will be determined by one factor, whether the oath takers honor their oath and support and defend the Constitution, or whether they decide to enforce tyranny. If your local police and especially sheriff enforce the tyranny being put in place now, the death toll will be catastrophic. If they do not, then a quick and dirty civil war is possible, simple as that. There will be blood, probably before Nov. 2016, if not it will happen soon thereafter. Timing is subjective, regardless, it will happen sooner rather than later. .

  • 762×51

    Amen!

  • 762×51

    Amen!

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    End the Gun Epidemic in America
    Doug Mills/The New York Times

    All decent people feel sorrow and righteous fury about the latest slaughter of innocents, in California. Law enforcement and intelligence agencies are searching for motivations, including the vital question of how the murderers might have been connected to international terrorism. That is right and proper.

    But motives do not matter to the dead in California, nor did they in Colorado, Oregon, South Carolina, Virginia, Connecticut and far too many other places. The attention and anger of Americans should also be directed at the elected leaders whose job is to keep us safe but who place a higher premium on the money and political power of an industry dedicated to profiting from the unfettered spread of ever more powerful firearms.

    It is a moral outrage and a national disgrace that civilians can legally purchase weapons designed specifically to kill people with brutal speed and efficiency. These are weapons of war, barely modified and deliberately marketed as tools of macho vigilantism and even insurrection. America’s elected leaders offer prayers for gun victims and then, callously and without fear of consequence, reject the most basic restrictions on weapons of mass killing, as they did on Thursday. They distract us with arguments about the word terrorism. Let’s be clear: These spree killings are all, in their own ways, acts of terrorism.

    Opponents of gun control are saying, as they do after every killing, that no law can unfailingly forestall a specific criminal. That is true. They are talking, many with sincerity, about the constitutional challenges to effective gun regulation. Those challenges exist. They point out that determined killers obtained weapons illegally in places like France, England and Norway that have strict gun laws. Yes, they did.

    But at least those countries are trying. The United States is not. Worse, politicians abet would-be killers by creating gun markets for them, and voters allow those politicians to keep their jobs. It is past time to stop talking about halting the spread of firearms, and instead to reduce their number drastically — eliminating some large categories of weapons and ammunition.

    It is not necessary to debate the peculiar wording of the Second Amendment. No right is unlimited and immune from reasonable regulation.

    Certain kinds of weapons, like the slightly modified combat rifles used in California, and certain kinds of ammunition, must be outlawed for civilian ownership. It is possible to define those guns in a clear and effective way and, yes, it would require Americans who own those kinds of weapons to give them up for the good of their fellow citizens.

    What better time than during a presidential election to show, at long last, that our nation has retained its sense of decency?
    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/end-the-gun-epidemic-in-america/ar-AAg2dhB?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=mailsignout

  • Torcer

    Diane Feinstein on Gun Control “Turn ‘Em All In!”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-b45FdDN3s&feature=player_detailpage
    Published on Jan 18, 2013

    https://youtu.be/V-b45FdDN3s

  • Torcer

    You say gun control doesn’t work? Fine. Let’s ban guns altogether. http://fw.to/q3NgAlk

    Opinion You say gun control doesn’t work? Fine. Let’s ban guns altogether.
    May 28, 2014

    But there also have been responses from people who share my disgust at the endless gun violence that pervades American culture. A few asked what should be done. My personal preference? It’s a decidedly minority viewpoint, but I say, ban them, with a carve-out for hunting weapons.
    [..]
    For example: Hunters could own shotguns (and rifles where state laws allow them for hunting), but they would have to be registered and the owners would have to pass a gun safety course before they could get a hunting license (already a requirement in most, if not all, places). That license would be a prerequisite for registering a hunting weapon. Resale of a weapon should be monitored to preclude passing it along to unqualified people. Ammunition sales would be tracked much like we do sales of pseudoephinedrine (an ingredient in meth).

    As for handguns, assault-style weapons, etc., let’s have a flat-out ban. Beyond the histrionics of the gun lobby, there is no defensible reason for such weapons to be a part of our culture. They exist for one purpose: to kill. Yes, hobbyists also like to use guns for target shooting and other nonlethal purposes, but it’s hard to say that desire for sport outweighs the atrocious level of gun-related deaths in this country.
    [..]
    As for the argument that the 2nd Amendment was written with an eye toward protecting America from the tyranny of King George, the Revolutionary War ended in 1783 with the Treaty of Paris. The Bill of Rights was adopted six years later in an atmosphere in which there was no standing federal army; the government relied on state militias, which were composed of soldiers who brought their own weapons with them. We haven’t had an army like that in a long, long time. And the idea that a few well-armed patriots would be able to defeat the U.S. Army should the government turn despotic is, at best, a romantic infatuation.

    Yes, the Supreme Court has upheld private gun ownership under the 2nd Amendment, but the Supreme Court has been wrong before (Fugitive Slave Law, the Dred Scott case, decisions allowing deed restrictions to bar home sales to African Americans, etc.). One can hope that the court will someday go further than its recognition that the 2nd Amendment is not an absolute right and determine that rampant gun ownership is a public safety threat. And that Congress will push legislation that recognizes that the heavy societal costs of gun ownership outweigh any 2nd Amendment pretense to the right to own guns. (By comparison, the 1st Amendment, near and dear to my heart, is not absolute: We have libel laws, which inherently limit free speech for the sake of the broader good, yet even journalists recognize them as a reasonable compromise.)
    [..]
    So my personal view: Ban the guns, and slowly but inexorably bring our culture back from this violent, communal madness. It won’t be fast, it won’t be easy, it probably won’t even be possible given the political realities. But the status quo is unacceptable and, at one level, suicidal. We have to try to fix this.
    http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-gun-control-ban-homicides-suicides-20140528-story.html

  • Torcer

    You say gun control doesn’t work? Fine. Let’s ban guns altogether. http://fw.to/q3NgAlk

    Opinion You say gun control doesn’t work? Fine. Let’s ban guns altogether.
    May 28, 2014

    But there also have been responses from people who share my disgust at the endless gun violence that pervades American culture. A few asked what should be done. My personal preference? It’s a decidedly minority viewpoint, but I say, ban them, with a carve-out for hunting weapons.
    [..]
    For example: Hunters could own shotguns (and rifles where state laws allow them for hunting), but they would have to be registered and the owners would have to pass a gun safety course before they could get a hunting license (already a requirement in most, if not all, places). That license would be a prerequisite for registering a hunting weapon. Resale of a weapon should be monitored to preclude passing it along to unqualified people. Ammunition sales would be tracked much like we do sales of pseudoephinedrine (an ingredient in meth).

    As for handguns, assault-style weapons, etc., let’s have a flat-out ban. Beyond the histrionics of the gun lobby, there is no defensible reason for such weapons to be a part of our culture. They exist for one purpose: to kill. Yes, hobbyists also like to use guns for target shooting and other nonlethal purposes, but it’s hard to say that desire for sport outweighs the atrocious level of gun-related deaths in this country.
    [..]
    As for the argument that the 2nd Amendment was written with an eye toward protecting America from the tyranny of King George, the Revolutionary War ended in 1783 with the Treaty of Paris. The Bill of Rights was adopted six years later in an atmosphere in which there was no standing federal army; the government relied on state militias, which were composed of soldiers who brought their own weapons with them. We haven’t had an army like that in a long, long time. And the idea that a few well-armed patriots would be able to defeat the U.S. Army should the government turn despotic is, at best, a romantic infatuation.

    Yes, the Supreme Court has upheld private gun ownership under the 2nd Amendment, but the Supreme Court has been wrong before (Fugitive Slave Law, the Dred Scott case, decisions allowing deed restrictions to bar home sales to African Americans, etc.). One can hope that the court will someday go further than its recognition that the 2nd Amendment is not an absolute right and determine that rampant gun ownership is a public safety threat. And that Congress will push legislation that recognizes that the heavy societal costs of gun ownership outweigh any 2nd Amendment pretense to the right to own guns. (By comparison, the 1st Amendment, near and dear to my heart, is not absolute: We have libel laws, which inherently limit free speech for the sake of the broader good, yet even journalists recognize them as a reasonable compromise.)
    [..]
    So my personal view: Ban the guns, and slowly but inexorably bring our culture back from this violent, communal madness. It won’t be fast, it won’t be easy, it probably won’t even be possible given the political realities. But the status quo is unacceptable and, at one level, suicidal. We have to try to fix this.
    http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-gun-control-ban-homicides-suicides-20140528-story.html

  • Torcer

    “Certain kinds of weapons, like the slightly modified combat rifles used in California, and certain kinds of ammunition, must be outlawed for civilian ownership. It is possible to define those guns in a clear and effective way and, yes, it would require Americans who own those kinds of weapons to give them up for the good of their fellow citizens.” New York Times December 5, 2015 [Front Page]

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/05/opinion/end-the-gun-epidemic-in-america.html

    http://ktla.com/2015/12/05/new-york-times-publishes-1st-front-page-editorial-since-1920-states-end-the-gun-epidemic-in-america/

    End the Gun Epidemic in America http://a.msn.com/01/en-us/AAg2dhB?

  • Torcer

    You say gun control doesn’t work? Fine. Let’s ban guns altogether. http://fw.to/q3NgAlk

  • Torcer

    Oregon Shooting – President Obama Demands Better Gun Control Laws FULL Press Conference
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgTQ8YVtDyU

  • Torcer

    You say gun control doesn’t work? Fine. Let’s ban guns altogether. http://fw.to/q3NgAlk

    Opinion You say gun control doesn’t work? Fine. Let’s ban guns altogether.
    May 28, 2014
    In a post Tuesday, I listed the mass shootings since January 2013 in which at least three people were killed. It’s an agonizingly, depressingly long list, and I cited it as the prime reason we need meaningful gun control. The post received the usual blowback from gun owners, most of whom skipped over the scope of gun deaths in this country to look more myopically at last week’s tragic events at Isla Vista (which I mentioned only in passing, seeing this problem as much broader than the most recent headlines).

    But there also have been responses from people who share my disgust at the endless gun violence that pervades American culture. A few asked what should be done. My personal preference? It’s a decidedly minority viewpoint, but I say, ban them, with a carve-out for hunting weapons.

    For example: Hunters could own shotguns (and rifles where state laws allow them for hunting), but they would have to be registered and the owners would have to pass a gun safety course before they could get a hunting license (already a requirement in most, if not all, places). That license would be a prerequisite for registering a hunting weapon. Resale of a weapon should be monitored to preclude passing it along to unqualified people. Ammunition sales would be tracked much like we do sales of pseudoephinedrine (an ingredient in meth).

    As for handguns, assault-style weapons, etc., let’s have a flat-out ban. Beyond the histrionics of the gun lobby, there is no defensible reason for such weapons to be a part of our culture. They exist for one purpose: to kill. Yes, hobbyists also like to use guns for target shooting and other nonlethal purposes, but it’s hard to say that desire for sport outweighs the atrocious level of gun-related deaths in this country.

    Self-defense? Impossible to measure because of a lack of trustworthy data. Similarly, the scope of gun victims is unknown, in part because of gun-lobby interference in efforts to try to establish baseline reports (we know how many die but not how many are wounded). This national debate would be helped immensely if the Department of Justice and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention were funded by Congress to collect the data.
    My personal preference? It’s a decidedly minority viewpoint, but I say, ban them, with a carve-out for hunting weapons. –

    But we do know that guns are often used by angry men to kill their wives and kids; the mentally ill to act out whatever pain they are suffering; violent criminals; the suicidal (who may kill themselves anyway by other means, but ready access to a gun makes it easier); or children who find guns kept by “properly trained” owners and accidentally shoot themselves or others. In fact, two-thirds of homicides in the U.S. involve guns, according to the CDC. And yes, we need to have stronger, better programs and laws to help the mentally ill, but in the end, it’s their access to weapons that have caused so much mayhem at such a big scale. Mental illness is a factor in some of the violence, but guns are part of most of the killings.

    As for the argument that the 2nd Amendment was written with an eye toward protecting America from the tyranny of King George, the Revolutionary War ended in 1783 with the Treaty of Paris. The Bill of Rights was adopted six years later in an atmosphere in which there was no standing federal army; the government relied on state militias, which were composed of soldiers who brought their own weapons with them. We haven’t had an army like that in a long, long time. And the idea that a few well-armed patriots would be able to defeat the U.S. Army should the government turn despotic is, at best, a romantic infatuation.

    Yes, the Supreme Court has upheld private gun ownership under the 2nd Amendment, but the Supreme Court has been wrong before (Fugitive Slave Law, the Dred Scott case, decisions allowing deed restrictions to bar home sales to African Americans, etc.). One can hope that the court will someday go further than its recognition that the 2nd Amendment is not an absolute right and determine that rampant gun ownership is a public safety threat. And that Congress will push legislation that recognizes that the heavy societal costs of gun ownership outweigh any 2nd Amendment pretense to the right to own guns. (By comparison, the 1st Amendment, near and dear to my heart, is not absolute: We have libel laws, which inherently limit free speech for the sake of the broader good, yet even journalists recognize them as a reasonable compromise.)

    So my personal view: Ban the guns, and slowly but inexorably bring our culture back from this violent, communal madness. It won’t be fast, it won’t be easy, it probably won’t even be possible given the political realities. But the status quo is unacceptable and, at one level, suicidal. We have to try to fix this.
    http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-gun-control-ban-homicides-suicides-20140528-story.html

  • Torcer

    Time is overdue to repeal the Second Amendment December 28 2014 Wisconsin gazette

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    Time is overdue to repeal the Second Amendment December 28 2014
    http://www.wisconsingazette.com/opinion/time-is-overdue-to-repeal-the-second-amendmentr.html

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    Time is overdue to repeal the Second Amendment
    Written by Tom H. Hastings
    Sunday, 28 December 2014 07:32
    […]
    The only logical path, given the clearly decided role of the Second Amendment, is to repeal it. American people are tired of mass shootings and police shootings and family feud shootings and sibling shootings and accidental toddler shootings and teen suicide by gun (highly popular).We are exhausted by the proliferation of death, of threats, of bloodshed, and by the NRA/gun industry moral garbage spewing forth every time someone challenges the ubiquity of guns.

    Repeal the Stupid Second Amendment. Surround it, grab it, bring it in the back room, pull down the shades, and end it. OK, petition for it, get it on the ballot, and get it done by enough of the US populace, by enough people in enough states, to get it consigned to the dustbin of history.
    Tom H. Hastings is PeaceVoice Director and teaches in the Conflict Resolution program at Portland State University in Oregon.
    http://www.wisconsingazette.com/opinion/time-is-overdue-to-repeal-the-second-amendmentr.html

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    Time is overdue to repeal the Second Amendment
    Written by Tom H. Hastings
    Sunday, 28 December 2014 07:32
    What country fetishizes, lionizes, valorizes, idolizes, and sacralizes guns as much as does our United States? OK, possibly Mozambique — the only country with an AK47 on its flag, but really, it’s long past time to end this obsessive “My Precious” attachment of Americans to instruments of death.

    This morning of Dec. 25, 2014, of the nine top stories from US Reuters, six were about shootings — four new ones and two about the national movement against shootings of citizens by police. This pandemic of sick violence, punctuated by mass killings of children, has gone on far, far too long. It is long past time to repeal the stupid Second Amendment.
    […]
    The only logical path, given the clearly decided role of the Second Amendment, is to repeal it. American people are tired of mass shootings and police shootings and family feud shootings and sibling shootings and accidental toddler shootings and teen suicide by gun (highly popular).We are exhausted by the proliferation of death, of threats, of bloodshed, and by the NRA/gun industry moral garbage spewing forth every time someone challenges the ubiquity of guns.

    Repeal the Stupid Second Amendment. Surround it, grab it, bring it in the back room, pull down the shades, and end it. OK, petition for it, get it on the ballot, and get it done by enough of the US populace, by enough people in enough states, to get it consigned to the dustbin of history.

    Tom H. Hastings is PeaceVoice Director and teaches in the Conflict Resolution program at Portland State University in Oregon.
    http://www.wisconsingazette.com/opinion/time-is-overdue-to-repeal-the-second-amendmentr.html

    =======================================================

    Time is overdue to repeal the Second Amendment
    Written by Tom H. Hastings
    Sunday, 28 December 2014 07:32
    What country fetishizes, lionizes, valorizes, idolizes, and sacralizes guns as much as does our United States? OK, possibly Mozambique — the only country with an AK47 on its flag, but really, it’s long past time to end this obsessive “My Precious” attachment of Americans to instruments of death.

    This morning of Dec. 25, 2014, of the nine top stories from US Reuters, six were about shootings — four new ones and two about the national movement against shootings of citizens by police. This pandemic of sick violence, punctuated by mass killings of children, has gone on far, far too long. It is long past time to repeal the stupid Second Amendment.

    The fate of the Second Amendment should have been sealed when the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in 2008 that past rulings by their predecessors were wrong, that in fact the amendment that provided for a “well regulated militia” really guaranteed every individual the right to own a gun. Wow. That is an interesting reading of the English language. What the Supremes have done is to not only warp the meaning and make it into twisted law, but to further prohibit states and local governments from declaring their places free of legal guns. The conservative court once again rules against the power of states, a principle that used to be associated with darn liberals who wanted to make sure everyone had the right to vote, for example, even though they weren’t properly white enough. Now when a city or state wants to outlaw firearms, too bad. The conservatives took away their powers and rights in favor of Big Brother.

    The only logical path, given the clearly decided role of the Second Amendment, is to repeal it. American people are tired of mass shootings and police shootings and family feud shootings and sibling shootings and accidental toddler shootings and teen suicide by gun (highly popular).We are exhausted by the proliferation of death, of threats, of bloodshed, and by the NRA/gun industry moral garbage spewing forth every time someone challenges the ubiquity of guns.

    Repeal the Stupid Second Amendment. Surround it, grab it, bring it in the back room, pull down the shades, and end it. OK, petition for it, get it on the ballot, and get it done by enough of the US populace, by enough people in enough states, to get it consigned to the dustbin of history.

    Tom H. Hastings is PeaceVoice Director and teaches in the Conflict Resolution program at Portland State University in Oregon.
    http://www.wisconsingazette.com/opinion/time-is-overdue-to-repeal-the-second-amendmentr.html

  • Torcer

    Oregon Shooting – President Obama Demands Better Gun Control Laws FULL Press Conference
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgTQ8YVtDyU

  • Torcer

    “In the Australian example, as I recall, that was a buyback program.”…..“I think it would be worth considering doing it on the national level” Hillary Clinton October 16 2015

  • Torcer

    Effective Gun Control – A National Semi-Auto Ban
    Monday Oct 05, 2015 Dailykos
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/10/5/1427845/-Effective-Gun-Control-A-National-Semi-Auto-Ban

    …………………………………

    Effective Gun Control – A National Semi-Auto Ban
    Monday Oct 05, 2015
    Let’s get serious about what it will take, for “meaningful steps” to actually BE, meaningful steps.
    […]
    Act I Step 1:
    The POTUS issues a EO, commanding the BATFE to “audit dealer records” – ie, look for “strawman sales” by reviewing each of the dealers Form 4473 records.
    This is actually easier if the dealer has adopted the eForm 4473
    For handwritten forms, an OCR scanner would be carried, the form scanned, and information corrected on a laptop prior to the next scan.
    [..]
    Act II Step 1:
    Strike a deal with the Republicans. For public consumption, word it as ambiguously as possible… as was the ACA (just pass it and we’ll find out what’s in it) and stuff it into the next Continuing Resolution.

    On this 11th day of December, 2015 this 114th Congress does hereby resolve to instruct the Department of Justice to audit all Federally Licensed Firearm retailers for compliance with 18 USC as condition of their license, and direct all necessary resources to do same. The Director of the BATFE, the Attorney General of the United States, and the Director of Homeland Security may adopt policies and procedures necessary to effect this Congressional mandate.
    [..]
    Step 2:
    Federalize (“second”) the National Guard of the respective states. Just as we could send them to war in Iraq, we can deploy them as deputized federal agents. One BATFE agent to 3 or 4 guardsmen.

    Step 3:
    Go door-to-door with your list of gun purchasers, and get access to the guns. A massive VIPR-like sweep.
    No gun? Where is it?
    Who has it? Where’s the paperwork? No gun, no paperwork?
    You’re coming with us… the weather in Cuba is fine.
    Sadly, it appears the nationwide cell phone network is down, unless you’re using a government contract cell phone.
    Yes, surprise is key.
    Oh, by the way… you have ID don’t you? Born here? Let’s run that ID.
    So… you’re here on a visa, that expired in 2003.
    You’re coming with us, the weather in Minot, North Dakota is fine.
    There’s your required quid pro quo to the Republicans.

    Step 4:
    Anticipate the Federal Court Injunctions.
    Injunctions which are enforced by… the DOJ and US Marshals.
    Who are preoccupied in carrying out the mandate of Congress.
    You’ve reached the DOJ, leave a message at the beep.

    Step 5:
    Mistakes happen.
    Somewhere in the process, an “honest mistake” happened.

    Knock, view, verify and record the presence of the named firearm in the possession of the named owner – or find out who has that firearm – was misinterpreted.

    Knock, bash-in the door, verify the presence of, and confiscate the named firearm – became the process.

    Rules of Engagement were defined as: “take no incoming fire – lethal means authorized”.
    A few “rogue operators” decided that if it looked sketchy, breach the door after the flash-bang grenades, and engage anyone seen with a firearm in proximity using lethal force.

    Step 6:
    The number of confiscated firearms becomes a problem. National Guard units are directed to turn the contraband over to Active Duty Military Police. Certain weapons may be re-purposed by the government, exported to allies, used by agencies, or stripped for parts.
    [..]
    Act III. The Shit, hits the fan.
    Step 1: Eventually, it all comes to a halt.
    The Nation awakes to a new reality. Your armed-to-the-teeth white male neighbor, is now gumming on a lone Winchester .30-30.
    The massive number of Guardsmen and Federal Agents go home, taking all the ammunition with them. “By mistake.”
    “30 Cal M1 or .30-30 Winchester, how the hell should I know? I’ve only shot a M-16 in Basic. Sarge said ‘get the ammo too, all of it’ and I did.”

    No self-loading handguns, shotguns, or rifles exist in lawful civilian hands.
    In certain areas, the gunfire continues, as does the presence of Guardsmen, Agents and Police.
    The ROE remains: Take no incoming fire.

    A well publicized CRIMINAL AMNESTY program is offered. Turn in your semi-auto, no questions asked regarding who it might have killed, or how you derive your income.
    As certain acts (suicide in particular) continue, the decision is made to remove all handguns from civilian possession.
    A 1 year Amnesty is offered. If we have to come for it?
    It will be with lethal force. Suicide-by-Cop.
    It’s a price, it’s paid once.
    “Handgun suicides were virtually eliminated in a three year effort.”
    The suicide rate remained unabated, and went up in the next economic collapse.
    “What can you do? We tried. At least the guns are gone.”

    Gun makers are given a chance to merge, develop next-generation firearms for the military, or go out of business.
    The few remaining gun shops offer your choice of single barrel, double barrel, or 2 round capacity pump-action shotguns.
    Single shot, bolt-action, double-barrel, lever or pump-action high power rifles, with 4 or less round capacity.
    Wow… how Steampunk!
    This is what my great-grandfather must have seen back in the early 1900s!

    Legacy shotguns and rifles with greater magazine capacity can be altered “plugged” to meet the new limit. The plug must be welded, machine-pressed, or epoxy fastened to prevent removal.
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/10/5/1427845/-Effective-Gun-Control-A-National-Semi-Auto-Ban

    Effective Gun Control – A National Semi-Auto Ban
    Monday Oct 05, 2015
    Let’s get serious about what it will take, for “meaningful steps” to actually BE, meaningful steps.

    Otherwise, let’s skip to the chase and admit: “It’s all just window-dressing, and political payback to the NRA.”

    What has to go?
    All magazine fed, self-loading firearms.
    Yes, that means handguns too.
    Yes, that includes your 4 shot Remington hunting rifle.

    Yes, that includes rigid controls on police firearms.
    Your 5 shot revolver can go home with you officer, your 17 shot handgun stays inside the armory of the police station. Armory, not your locker. Signed-in, signed-out, via proximity card reader, with real-time computer controls at the State and Federal levels.
    Did you, officer, have a domestic violence incident at home? Shoot a fleeing person of color over a tail light violation? Get served divorce papers?
    Huh, your proximity card no longer works… and that 17 round death machine stays IN the armory.

    How-to, over the cheese doodle…

    First, let’s get the messy facts out of the way.

    Federal Courts aren’t going to sit on their hands while this happens.
    Second, the Republicans won’t sit on their hands either, so a deal must be struck.
    Third, the Courts, require the DOJ in the form of the US Marshals, the FBI, (and now the whole umbrella of DHS) to enforce Federal Court Injunctions.

    Act I Step 1:
    The POTUS issues a EO, commanding the BATFE to “audit dealer records” – ie, look for “strawman sales” by reviewing each of the dealers Form 4473 records.
    This is actually easier if the dealer has adopted the eForm 4473

    For handwritten forms, an OCR scanner would be carried, the form scanned, and information corrected on a laptop prior to the next scan.

    What can’t be done? Is hold a news conference.
    It can’t be done by BATFE Agents alone, as this demands too many bodies in too many locations, at the very same time.

    We as a nation, will have to let a few things slide, while various agencies supply personnel to work with BATFE Agents.
    Yes, a same day, nationwide “I’m here to review your records”. Close every single gun seller that day, days, or week(s) until the audit is complete. Sold a hundred guns in your entire existence? We’ll be gone by 4pm today. Sell a hundred per day? You can re-open after the end of the year.
    It’ll put you out of business? Impact hunting season and holiday sales? (Which next to DiFi’s failed AWB II is the most money you make in a year?) That’s sad.
    CLOSED… can read GONE OUT OF BUSINESS.
    We score that as a win… you and your fellow death merchants can retrain as Baristas.

    So, now we have ALL the records scanned… and a comprehensive list of who purchased what gun where. Those are sorted for make and model.

    Shotguns.
    Semi-auto shotguns.

    Rifles.
    Semi-auto rifles.

    Rimfire rifles.
    Semi-auto rimfire rifles.

    Handguns.
    Semi-auto handguns.

    (save ALL of this data for later)

    Step 2: permit the dealers to reopen – however, now the eForm 4473 is 100% required,
    and in a slight tweak, batch processing is done once a week, where the forms are uploaded “to the cloud”.
    (as-if ‘the cloud’ isn’t on those servers already)

    Step 3: Prioritize you list.

    Act II Step 1:

    Strike a deal with the Republicans. For public consumption, word it as ambiguously as possible… as was the ACA (just pass it and we’ll find out what’s in it) and stuff it into the next Continuing Resolution.

    On this 11th day of December, 2015 this 114th Congress does hereby resolve to instruct the Department of Justice to audit all Federally Licensed Firearm retailers for compliance with 18 USC as condition of their license, and direct all necessary resources to do same. The Director of the BATFE, the Attorney General of the United States, and the Director of Homeland Security may adopt policies and procedures necessary to effect this Congressional mandate.

    About those Republicans:
    First, they’re really not that happy with massive civilian gun ownership, they just like the cash from the pro-gun crowd.
    BREAKING NEWS!!
    They like the cash from Wall Street, and Corporate America better.

    Give Congress the choice between:
    a) massive controls on financial transactions, killing their benefactor’s proven-risk derivative market
    – or –
    b) massive (armed) civil unrest when we pull a Greece and shove a total economic collapse onto the American taxpayer?
    Rationed water, electric, heat, food and fuel and a 65% tax on your income.

    Everyone other than a Tea Party Republican will choose to eliminate the risk of option b.
    The motion will pass.

    There’s going to be a political quid pro quo. I’d hang my hat on “illegal immigrants” taking it in the neck. How and why, is below.

    Step 2:
    Federalize (“second”) the National Guard of the respective states. Just as we could send them to war in Iraq, we can deploy them as deputized federal agents. One BATFE agent to 3 or 4 guardsmen.

    Step 3:
    Go door-to-door with your list of gun purchasers, and get access to the guns. A massive VIPR-like sweep.
    No gun? Where is it?
    Who has it? Where’s the paperwork? No gun, no paperwork?
    You’re coming with us… the weather in Cuba is fine.
    Sadly, it appears the nationwide cell phone network is down, unless you’re using a government contract cell phone.
    Yes, surprise is key.
    Oh, by the way… you have ID don’t you? Born here? Let’s run that ID.
    So… you’re here on a visa, that expired in 2003.
    You’re coming with us, the weather in Minot, North Dakota is fine.
    There’s your required quid pro quo to the Republicans.

    Step 4:
    Anticipate the Federal Court Injunctions.
    Injunctions which are enforced by… the DOJ and US Marshals.
    Who are preoccupied in carrying out the mandate of Congress.
    You’ve reached the DOJ, leave a message at the beep.

    Step 5:
    Mistakes happen.
    Somewhere in the process, an “honest mistake” happened.

    Knock, view, verify and record the presence of the named firearm in the possession of the named owner – or find out who has that firearm – was misinterpreted.

    Knock, bash-in the door, verify the presence of, and confiscate the named firearm – became the process.

    Rules of Engagement were defined as: “take no incoming fire – lethal means authorized”.
    A few “rogue operators” decided that if it looked sketchy, breach the door after the flash-bang grenades, and engage anyone seen with a firearm in proximity using lethal force.

    Step 6:
    The number of confiscated firearms becomes a problem. National Guard units are directed to turn the contraband over to Active Duty Military Police. Certain weapons may be re-purposed by the government, exported to allies, used by agencies, or stripped for parts.

    Light alloys are put into a grinder, steel and stainless steel are cut with a plasma torch to render non-salvageable (prevents theft in transit), then taken to a smelter to be melted down.

    Step 7:
    The higher Federal Courts, and perhaps the SCOTUS weigh in.

    Answer A: “It’s gotten out of hand, and we can’t reach all of the field units… your order to cease is understood and complied with at the Executive Level. The logistical issues however, preclude prompt compliance in the field. The majority of units are out of contact, operating independently beyond range of communications.”

    Answer B:
    Arrest those Judges. What part of Congressional Mandate didn’t you understand?

    There’s going to be some issue, with a few mouthy Governors complaining about “…patent misuse of the Guard, violation of the Constit…” Yep.
    We’re sorry, the Governor’s new conference has encountered technical difficulties.
    To Jamie, and Sports!

    It’s amazing what a FBI Agent can do for video production: “Cut the feed, NOW. Otherwise? You’re coming with me, the weather in Cuba is fine.”

    The prevention of an armed civil insurrection requires a total lockdown on the ability to communicate. The NSA knows this. Anyone studying the Arab Spring knows this.

    The email servers of the various pro-gun groups “appear to have sustained a prolonged DoS attack by some overseas entity in Asia”.

    Facebook decided that a new version of their photo and written content filter was worth Beta testing, and all gun-related images and commentary ceased to be shown.
    Yes, the “nipple filter” took down the gun fetishists.

    Act III. The Shit, hits the fan.
    Step 1: Eventually, it all comes to a halt.
    The Nation awakes to a new reality. Your armed-to-the-teeth white male neighbor, is now gumming on a lone Winchester .30-30.
    The massive number of Guardsmen and Federal Agents go home, taking all the ammunition with them. “By mistake.”
    “30 Cal M1 or .30-30 Winchester, how the hell should I know? I’ve only shot a M-16 in Basic. Sarge said ‘get the ammo too, all of it’ and I did.”

    No self-loading handguns, shotguns, or rifles exist in lawful civilian hands.
    In certain areas, the gunfire continues, as does the presence of Guardsmen, Agents and Police.
    The ROE remains: Take no incoming fire.

    A well publicized CRIMINAL AMNESTY program is offered. Turn in your semi-auto, no questions asked regarding who it might have killed, or how you derive your income.
    As certain acts (suicide in particular) continue, the decision is made to remove all handguns from civilian possession.
    A 1 year Amnesty is offered. If we have to come for it?
    It will be with lethal force. Suicide-by-Cop.
    It’s a price, it’s paid once.
    “Handgun suicides were virtually eliminated in a three year effort.”
    The suicide rate remained unabated, and went up in the next economic collapse.
    “What can you do? We tried. At least the guns are gone.”

    Gun makers are given a chance to merge, develop next-generation firearms for the military, or go out of business.
    The few remaining gun shops offer your choice of single barrel, double barrel, or 2 round capacity pump-action shotguns.
    Single shot, bolt-action, double-barrel, lever or pump-action high power rifles, with 4 or less round capacity.
    Wow… how Steampunk!
    This is what my great-grandfather must have seen back in the early 1900s!

    Legacy shotguns and rifles with greater magazine capacity can be altered “plugged” to meet the new limit. The plug must be welded, machine-pressed, or epoxy fastened to prevent removal.

    Step 2: A black market of gun imports is created. Mexico is now a donor-state.
    That’s managed by combining BATFE and DEA with exponential success.
    You can still get a 9 millimeter handgun with 15 round magazines, it just costs $6,000 for the gun, and another $10 per round for the ammo. The price of Cocaine and Heroin go up as well.
    Guns come from Brazil, and arrive on the same truck, boat, or airplane as the drugs.
    Logistics baby, logistics.

    Step 3: The SCOTUS get’s it’s day.
    The POTUS retires by then, lauded “for his courage, however misguided”.
    Congress is rebuked.
    Contrite, it offers to “work towards a solution”.
    Nothing much happens, as there’s no means of recompense.
    Return your gun to you?
    Ah… here’s a baggy of shredded metal. My dbad.

    Eventually in the year 2061, when many of the affected citizens are dead, Congress passes a Resolution offering “an official apology for the so-called unconstitutional gun confiscation, coincidental loss and damages”.
    No funds are appropriated.
    Japanese-Americans, knowing of their history under the Roosevelt Administration, merely nod with a wry smile.

    Act IV: Disarm the local cops. Either return them to revolvers and possibly shotguns, or transition to disarmed local policing. That precludes raiding the police station for weapons.
    Serious incident? The State Police can render tactical aid if needed.
    State police can be armed with appropriate levels of modern weaponry to end any threat to law and order. That’s how it’s done in Europe, a closely supervised select few have serious weaponry at-hand.

    THAT is how you get it done. ALL of it done.

    Act V, an Afterword:
    The danger? Is in the American people finally understanding they live in, and pay to support, an Oligarchy of the Corporate Interests, by The People, for the Corporate Interests. Pigs to slaughter, cows to be milked.
    Use whatever metaphor you choose.

    The danger of knowing that the distinction of Democrat or Republican has little meaning.
    Neither respect the limits of the Constitution, and pass laws exempting the government from adhering to the Constitution. (do you see the irony in the DOJ website banner)

    It’s your choice of white or wheat, comprising the same, shit sandwich.

    No matter, the means of revolution has been disposed-of.
    Welcome to the new American Century, one where your vote doesn’t count, you’ll shut-up and do as you’re told.

    The massive coordinated workers strike? Never happened. Filtered from existence.
    The spontaneous occupation of the streets and squares? Went great for a while, then it went predictably when the Oligarchy tired of non-compliance.

    Tue Oct 06, 2015 at 6:00 AM PT: Tuesday @ 0800 observations:
    using this diary’s poll data, with a standard math principle rounding of numbers,
    ~10% of replies are for some form of drastic action, just not whole hog.
    ~10% are for “get ‘er done” and go for ALL of the semi-automatics, and maybe more.
    A further ~10% is for a total gun confiscation. Every. Single. One.
    That’s 29% in true numbers.
    1-in-5 respondents are willing to kick doors in, and get it done today.

    This past August, HuffPo claimed 67% of HuffPo readers seek some vague form of greater gun control
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/roanoke-shooting-gun-poll_55e0ab28e4b0aec9f35329c0
    71% is for politics-as-usual, working within current restraints/constraints.
    Fight the NRA. Contribute to Democrats. Volunteer. Pack the SCOTUS, and change the meaning of the Second Amendment back to the way it was.
    ie:
    The various guises of Government, have the right to a citizen militia, and to the guns required to equip said militia in time of conflict.
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/10/5/1427845/-Effective-Gun-Control-A-National-Semi-Auto-Ban

  • Torcer

    All political power comes from the barrel of a gun. The communist party must command all the guns, that way, no guns can ever be used to command the party. Mao Zedung

  • Torcer

    The Assault Weapons Ban the NRA Couldn’t Stop
    The Supreme Court has declined to take up one of the toughest gun-control laws in the country — a major blow to the NRA
    By Tim Dickinson December 9, 2015
    In a major defeat for the National Rifle Association, the Supreme Court decided this week not to take up a challenge to one of the toughest gun-control statutes in America, a law on the books in Highland Park, Illinois.

    Through this inaction, the Supreme Court has cleared a path for other communities across the nation to:

    —outlaw assault weapons and high capacity magazines,

    —declare these arms contraband and confiscate them,

    —and hit violators with jail time and/or a sizable fine.

    “The Supreme Court has now signaled that this is consistent with Second Amendment,” Mike McLively, staff attorney at the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, tells Rolling Stone. “This could become a national model.”

    The Supreme Court let stand an earlier ruling by the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals that found a community’s right to protect itself from gun violence trumps a fundamentalist reading of the Second Amendment. In short, the circuit court ruled that the individual right to bear arms — discovered by the Supreme Court in its 2008 Heller decision — is not nearly as absolute as the NRA would have America believe.

    With respect to the individual right to bear arms, circuit judge Frank Easterbrook wrote that “some categorical limits on the kinds of weapons that can be possessed are proper.” Communities concerned about the dangers of gun violence are justified, he reasoned, in taking action to limit the impact of that violence. “A ban on assault weapons won’t eliminate gun violence in Highland Park,” Easterbrook wrote, “but it may reduce the overall dangerousness of crime that does occur.”

    The assault weapons ban in Highland Park, a suburb of Chicago, is sweeping. Passed in 2013, the gun-control ordinance reads, “No person shall manufacture, sell, offer for display for sale, give, lend, transfer ownership of, acquire or possess any Assault Weapon or Large Capacity Magazine…”

    The ordinance defines a large-capacity magazine as holding more than ten rounds. Its definition of assault weapons includes AR-15s, AK-47s and Uzis by name, as well as broad categories of semi-automatic pistols and rifles with a single militarized feature such as “a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand.”

    Upon passage, the Highland Park law required prohibited magazines and guns to be moved outside of city limits or surrendered to its chief of police. The law declared remaining assault weapons and high-capacity magazines “contraband” that “shall be seized and destroyed.” Violators of the statute now face misdemeanor charges punishable by six months in jail and/or a fine ranging from $500 to $1,000.

    In choosing not to review what the NRA decried as an unconstitutional “error,” a 7-2 Supreme Court majority turned a deaf ear to the gun lobby. In its friend of the court brief, the NRA’s legal team had insisted, “Because the Second Amendment right applies to the common semi-automatic firearms and magazines the City targets, they cannot be banned.”

    These fundamentalist gun-rights arguments only found sympathy with Justices Clarence Thomas and Antonin Scalia. Thomas, in a fiery dissent joined by Scalia, wrote that the court had upheld a decision “relegating the Second Amendment to a second-class right.”

    Inaction by the Supreme Court is not as definitive as a new ruling on guns, of course. And it remains possible that the Court is waiting for a split among the appellate courts to trigger a new intervention on gun rights.

    But McLively of the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence says the fact that only Thomas and Scalia signed onto a dissent “sends a pretty strong message that there’s not five justices who think this is a violation of the Second Amendment.”

    “We hope that this emboldens communities to take action,” McLively says. “There is not the constitutional issue the gun lobby would have them believe.”
    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-assault-weapons-ban-the-nra-couldnt-stop-20151209

  • Torcer

    Strong Words For A Center-Right Law Prof http://wp.me/p1zsyr-aIQ via @wordpressdotcom

    Strong Words For A Center-Right Law Prof
    ***
    …The only reason for not tarring and feathering any government official for effrontery when they tell us what to do is that their power to do so is somehow legitimate.
    But that legitimacy comes from the exercise of constitutional power.

    If the Constitution doesn’t mean anything, well, then, maybe it’s time to go long on pitchforks.

    Because without the Constitution the angry mob is just as legitimate as the perfumed princes of the state.
    ***
    https://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2015/12/01/strong-words-for-a-center-right-law-prof/comment-page-1/#comment-149912


    ……………………….
    JOSH BLACKMAN SPANKS RICHARD POSNER: Posner: The 14th Amendment is “Old, Cryptic, or Vague.” Bu… http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/220158/

    JOSH BLACKMAN SPANKS RICHARD POSNER:
    Posner: The 14th Amendment is “Old, Cryptic, or Vague.” But What About Article III? “At bottom, Posner candidly rejects any fidelity to the text of the Constitution. That invariably includes, of course, the parchment barrier that allows him to append the honorific ‘Judge’ to his name. Yes, Richard Posner’s powers derive not from his boundless intellect, but from the bounds of Article III.”

    This has implications that go far beyond the judiciary.
    The only reason for not tarring and feathering any government official for effrontery when they tell us what to do is that their power to do so is somehow legitimate.
    But that legitimacy comes from the exercise of constitutional power.
    If the Constitution doesn’t mean anything, well, then, maybe it’s time to go long on pitchforks.
    Because without the Constitution the angry mob is just as legitimate as the perfumed princes of the state.

    http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/220158/

  • Torcer

    Repeal the Second Amendment
    Hal Riedl
    Let’s get rid of the Second Amendment altogether and let lawmakers regulate guns as they see fit. Oct 3, 2015
    […]
    The Second Amendment is enthroned — mistakenly, but as a matter of law — as a fundamental dimension of individual freedom. The practical result is that we must live with carnage by firearms as a daily fact of American life.

    Registering guns wouldn’t help
    [..]
    It is certainly a respectable idea to accept the Second Amendment and treat death by firearms as a public health issue. It is doomed to fail, however, because it isn’t the criminal or the psychotic who produces the murder, it’s the easy means to act out one’s fantasies that produces the criminal and the psychotic. Millions of guns, thousands of gun deaths.

    I say, let’s get rid of the Second Amendment altogether. Let the states and Congress regulate firearms as they see fit. Some states, most of them without big-city violence, will retain laws that allow citizens to carry concealed firearms. Gang-ridden Chicago will try again to crack down on guns. Congress will reconsider universal background checks and the prohibition of assault weapons.
    http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bs-ed-second-amendment-20151003-story.html

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    Repeal the Second Amendment
    Hal Riedl
    Let’s get rid of the Second Amendment altogether and let lawmakers regulate guns as they see fit.Oct 3, 2015

    In 2008, the Supreme Court of the United States decided in District of Columbia v. Heller that the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution protects a civilian’s right to keep a gun in his home. In 2010, the court decided in McDonald v. Chicago that the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment limits the power of state and local governments to outlaw the possession of handguns by private citizens. The vote in each case was five-to-four — not exactly a ringing endorsement of the court’s reasoning in either case. But for now, the law of the land with regard to easy access to guns is settled.

    The Second Amendment is enthroned — mistakenly, but as a matter of law — as a fundamental dimension of individual freedom. The practical result is that we must live with carnage by firearms as a daily fact of American life.

    Surely, the timid voices of reason and humanity whisper, there is some limit to the atrocities that Americans will tolerate. When Adam Lanza, with no prior criminal history nor treatment for mental illness, killed 26 people — including 20 first-grade students — at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., on December 14, 2012, the nation was riveted and horrified. Something this unspeakable, this ghastly, this straight-out-of-hell, changed exactly nothing in federal law.

    Then, in June of this year, a gunman killed nine churchgoers in Charleston, S.C. Two months later, a Virginia TV news crew was slaughtered on air, and the deed posted almost immediately to social media by the killer. And Thursday, a gunman killed at least 9 people and wounded others on the campus of Oregon’s Umpqua Community College.

    What will it take to shock us out of our torpor? Another dead president? Not likely — half the country will applaud it. How about a dozen people inspired by ISIS slipping simultaneously into the Mall of America and unveiling the assault weapons they have obtained in perfectly legal ways? I cannot imagine what level of gun violence will serve more to horrify than to entertain.
    Registering guns wouldn’t help
    Registering guns wouldn’t help

    It is certainly a respectable idea to accept the Second Amendment and treat death by firearms as a public health issue. It is doomed to fail, however, because it isn’t the criminal or the psychotic who produces the murder, it’s the easy means to act out one’s fantasies that produces the criminal and the psychotic. Millions of guns, thousands of gun deaths.

    Retired Justice John Paul Stevens, the leading dissenter in Heller and McDonald, has published a wise little book, “Six Amendments: How and Why We Should Change the Constitution.” He suggests five words be added to the Second Amendment so that it reads “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms when serving in the Militia shall not be infringed.”

    I say, let’s get rid of the Second Amendment altogether. Let the states and Congress regulate firearms as they see fit. Some states, most of them without big-city violence, will retain laws that allow citizens to carry concealed firearms. Gang-ridden Chicago will try again to crack down on guns. Congress will reconsider universal background checks and the prohibition of assault weapons.

    As Justice Stevens informs us in his book, “legislatures are in a far better position than judges to assess the wisdom of such rules and to evaluate the costs and benefits that rule changes can be expected to produce. It is those legislators, rather than federal judges, who should make the decisions that will determine what kinds of firearms should be available to private citizens, and when and how they may be used. Constitutional provisions that curtail the legislative power to govern in this area unquestionably do more harm than good.”

    And we’ve all already seen enough harm.

    Hal Riedl retired from the Maryland Division of Correction in 2010, and from the office of the state’s attorney for Baltimore City in December 2014. His email is halriedl@msn.com.
    http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bs-ed-second-amendment-20151003-story.html

  • Torcer

    NY Times’ Second Editorial Demand for Gun Control Proves They Have No Idea What They’re Talking About
    http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/12/foghorn/ny-times-second-editorial-demand-for-gun-control-proves-they-have-no-idea-what-theyre-talking-about/

  • Torcer

    End the Gun Epidemic in America
    Doug Mills/The New York Times

    All decent people feel sorrow and righteous fury about the latest slaughter of innocents, in California. Law enforcement and intelligence agencies are searching for motivations, including the vital question of how the murderers might have been connected to international terrorism. That is right and proper.

    But motives do not matter to the dead in California, nor did they in Colorado, Oregon, South Carolina, Virginia, Connecticut and far too many other places. The attention and anger of Americans should also be directed at the elected leaders whose job is to keep us safe but who place a higher premium on the money and political power of an industry dedicated to profiting from the unfettered spread of ever more powerful firearms.

    It is a moral outrage and a national disgrace that civilians can legally purchase weapons designed specifically to kill people with brutal speed and efficiency. These are weapons of war, barely modified and deliberately marketed as tools of macho vigilantism and even insurrection. America’s elected leaders offer prayers for gun victims and then, callously and without fear of consequence, reject the most basic restrictions on weapons of mass killing, as they did on Thursday. They distract us with arguments about the word terrorism. Let’s be clear: These spree killings are all, in their own ways, acts of terrorism.

    Opponents of gun control are saying, as they do after every killing, that no law can unfailingly forestall a specific criminal. That is true. They are talking, many with sincerity, about the constitutional challenges to effective gun regulation. Those challenges exist. They point out that determined killers obtained weapons illegally in places like France, England and Norway that have strict gun laws. Yes, they did.

    But at least those countries are trying. The United States is not. Worse, politicians abet would-be killers by creating gun markets for them, and voters allow those politicians to keep their jobs. It is past time to stop talking about halting the spread of firearms, and instead to reduce their number drastically — eliminating some large categories of weapons and ammunition.

    It is not necessary to debate the peculiar wording of the Second Amendment. No right is unlimited and immune from reasonable regulation.

    Certain kinds of weapons, like the slightly modified combat rifles used in California, and certain kinds of ammunition, must be outlawed for civilian ownership. It is possible to define those guns in a clear and effective way and, yes, it would require Americans who own those kinds of weapons to give them up for the good of their fellow citizens.

    What better time than during a presidential election to show, at long last, that our nation has retained its sense of decency?
    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/end-the-gun-epidemic-in-america/ar-AAg2dhB?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=mailsignout

  • Torcer

    Often used Quotes:
    ………………………………………………
    “Inside Every Liberal Is A Totalitarian Screaming to Get Out.”
    ……………………………………………..
    “The Founding Fathers knew a government can’t control the economy
    without controlling people. And they knew when a government sets out to
    do that, it must use force and coercion to achieve its purpose.“
    Ronald Reagan

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    If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull. W. C. Fields
    …………………………………………….

    Democracy is the worst form of government except for all those others that have been tried. Winston Churchill

    “The only reason for not tarring and feathering any government official for effrontery when they tell us what to do is that their power to do so is somehow legitimate. But that legitimacy comes from the exercise of constitutional power. If the Constitution doesn’t mean anything, well, then, maybe it’s time to go long on pitchforks. Because without the Constitution the angry mob is just as legitimate as the perfumed princes of the state.”
    Josh Blackman
    …………………………………………………
    “Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property
    of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they
    put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon
    absolved from any farther obedience, and are left to the common refuge
    which God hath provided for all men against force and violence.” -John
    Locke

    …………………………………………….

    Still talking I see… Go ahead… Knock yourself out. When you actually make any kind of a valid, logical point I’ll jump back in. Until then… Enjoy the sound of yourself talking to yourself.

  • Torcer

    Make no mistake – the national Socialist Left’s ultimate goal is Confiscation:

    Mr. Cuomo, speaking on WGDJ-AM, said: “Confiscation could be an option.”
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/21/nyregion/cuomo-says-he-will-outline-gun-measures-next-month.html?_r=1&

    MSNBC’s Ed Schultz Talks Gun ‘Confiscation’
    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/dan-gainor/2012/12/16/msnbc-s-ed-schultz-talks-gun-confiscation

    “A couple of decades ago, Australia had a mass shooting similar to Columbine or Newtown. And Australia just said, well, that’s it — we’re not seeing that again. And basically imposed very severe, tough gun laws.” Obama June 10, 2014

    You say gun control doesn’t work? Fine. Let’s ban guns altogether. http://fw.to/q3NgAlk
    LA Times May 28, 2014

    “In the Australian example, as I recall, that was a buyback program.”…..“I think it would be worth considering doing it on the national level” Hillary Clinton October 16 2015
    http://www.c-span.org/video/?328774-1/hillary-clinton-town-hall-meeting-keene-new-hampshire&start=2831

    Yes, They Want to Take Your Guns Away The Daily Beast November 2015 http://thebea.st/1HmJOfM

    A gun-free societyThe Washington Post October 2015 http://wapo.st/1LrJxz3

    We don’t need gun control. We need domestic disarmament @huffpostblog http://www.huffingtonpost.com/amitai-etzioni/needed-domestic-disarmame_b_8739712.html
    12/07/2015

    End the Gun Epidemic in AmericaThe New York Times http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/end-the-gun-epidemic-in-america/ar-AAg2dhB?

    “declare these arms contraband and confiscate them” Rolling Stone December 9, 2015 http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-assault-weapons-ban-the-nra-couldnt-stop-20151209

    It’s Time to Ban Guns. Yes, All of Them.
    https://newrepublic.com/article/125498/its-time-ban-guns-yes-them
    December 10, 2015

  • Torcer

    “The only reason for not tarring and feathering any government official for effrontery when they tell us what to do is that their power to do so is somehow legitimate. But that legitimacy comes from the exercise of constitutional power. If the Constitution doesn’t mean anything, well, then, maybe it’s time to go long on pitchforks. Because without the Constitution the angry mob is just as legitimate as the perfumed princes of the state.”
    Josh Blackman

  • Torcer

    Keep in mind that they’ve already let the mask slip on their ultimate goal:

    Confiscation could be an option” Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo (D-N.Y.) December 2012

    “it’s the confiscation of these types of weapons that counts and will have an impact.” MSNBC’s Ed Schultz December 2012

    “Couple of decades ago, Australia had a mass shooting, similar to Columbine or Newtown, And Australia just said, well, that’s it, we’re not doing, we’re not seeing that again, and basically imposed very severe, tough gun laws” Obama June 2014

    “Yes, They Want to Take Your Guns Away” – The Daily Beast November 2015

    “A gun-free society” – The Washington Post October 2015

    “We don’t need gun control. We need domestic disarmament” Huffingtonpost
    December 7, 2015

    “It’s time to ban guns. Yes, all of them” New Republic December 10 2015

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    A democracy is two wolves and a small lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Freedom under a constitutional republic is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.
    – Benjamin Franklin

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    “When you have made evil the means of survival, do not expect men to remain good. Do not expect them to stay moral and lose their lives for the purpose of becoming the fodder of the immoral. Do not expect them to produce, when production is punished and looting rewarded.”

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    “declare these arms contraband and confiscate them” Rolling Stone December 9, 2015 http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-assault-weapons-ban-the-nra-couldnt-stop-20151209

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    …………………………

    The Assault Weapons Ban the NRA Couldn’t Stop
    The Supreme Court has declined to take up one of the toughest gun-control laws in the country — a major blow to the NRA
    By Tim Dickinson December 9, 2015
    In a major defeat for the National Rifle Association, the Supreme Court decided this week not to take up a challenge to one of the toughest gun-control statutes in America, a law on the books in Highland Park, Illinois.

    Through this inaction, the Supreme Court has cleared a path for other communities across the nation to:

    —outlaw assault weapons and high capacity magazines,

    —declare these arms contraband and confiscate them,

    —and hit violators with jail time and/or a sizable fine.

    “The Supreme Court has now signaled that this is consistent with Second Amendment,” Mike McLively, staff attorney at the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, tells Rolling Stone. “This could become a national model.”

    The Supreme Court let stand an earlier ruling by the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals that found a community’s right to protect itself from gun violence trumps a fundamentalist reading of the Second Amendment. In short, the circuit court ruled that the individual right to bear arms — discovered by the Supreme Court in its 2008 Heller decision — is not nearly as absolute as the NRA would have America believe.

    With respect to the individual right to bear arms, circuit judge Frank Easterbrook wrote that “some categorical limits on the kinds of weapons that can be possessed are proper.” Communities concerned about the dangers of gun violence are justified, he reasoned, in taking action to limit the impact of that violence. “A ban on assault weapons won’t eliminate gun violence in Highland Park,” Easterbrook wrote, “but it may reduce the overall dangerousness of crime that does occur.”

    The assault weapons ban in Highland Park, a suburb of Chicago, is sweeping. Passed in 2013, the gun-control ordinance reads, “No person shall manufacture, sell, offer for display for sale, give, lend, transfer ownership of, acquire or possess any Assault Weapon or Large Capacity Magazine…”

    The ordinance defines a large-capacity magazine as holding more than ten rounds. Its definition of assault weapons includes AR-15s, AK-47s and Uzis by name, as well as broad categories of semi-automatic pistols and rifles with a single militarized feature such as “a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand.”

    Upon passage, the Highland Park law required prohibited magazines and guns to be moved outside of city limits or surrendered to its chief of police. The law declared remaining assault weapons and high-capacity magazines “contraband” that “shall be seized and destroyed.” Violators of the statute now face misdemeanor charges punishable by six months in jail and/or a fine ranging from $500 to $1,000.

    In choosing not to review what the NRA decried as an unconstitutional “error,” a 7-2 Supreme Court majority turned a deaf ear to the gun lobby. In its friend of the court brief, the NRA’s legal team had insisted, “Because the Second Amendment right applies to the common semi-automatic firearms and magazines the City targets, they cannot be banned.”

    These fundamentalist gun-rights arguments only found sympathy with Justices Clarence Thomas and Antonin Scalia. Thomas, in a fiery dissent joined by Scalia, wrote that the court had upheld a decision “relegating the Second Amendment to a second-class right.”

    Inaction by the Supreme Court is not as definitive as a new ruling on guns, of course. And it remains possible that the Court is waiting for a split among the appellate courts to trigger a new intervention on gun rights.

    But McLively of the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence says the fact that only Thomas and Scalia signed onto a dissent “sends a pretty strong message that there’s not five justices who think this is a violation of the Second Amendment.”

    “We hope that this emboldens communities to take action,” McLively says. “There is not the constitutional issue the gun lobby would have them believe.”
    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-assault-weapons-ban-the-nra-couldnt-stop-20151209

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    A gun-free society http://wapo.st/1LrJxz3

    A gun-free society
    By Fred Hiatt Editorial page editor October 4
    Maybe it’s time to start using the words that the NRA has turned into unmentionables.
    Prohibition.

    Mass buyback.
    Yes, even saying these words makes the NRA happy. It fuels the slippery-slope argument the gun lobby uses to oppose even the most modest, common-sense reforms. You see? Background checks today, confiscation tomorrow.

    But the incremental approach is not succeeding. It sets increasingly modest goals, increasingly polite goals: close a loophole here, restrict a particularly lethal weapon there. Talk about gun safety and public health. Say “reform,” not “control.”
    […]
    The Supreme Court, which has misread the Second Amendment in its recent decisions, would have to revisit the issue. The court has corrected itself before, and if public opinion shifts it could correct itself again. If it did not, the Constitution would have to be amended.

    It sounds hard, I know. But it’s possible that if we started talking more honestly about the most logical, long-term goal, public opinion would begin to shift and the short-term gains would become more, not less likely, as the NRA had to play defense. We might end up with a safer country.

    There are strong arguments against setting a gun-free society as the goal, but there are 100,000 arguments in favor — that’s how many of us get shot every year. Every year 11,000 Americans are murdered. Every year some 20,000 kill themselves with guns.

    Without guns — with only kitchen knives at hand — some of those people would die. Most would still be living.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/a-gun-free-society/2015/10/04/6da29040-69c4-11e5-9ef3-fde182507eac_story.html

  • Torcer

    “The Founding Fathers knew a government can’t control the economy
    without controlling people. And they knew when a government sets out to
    do that, it must use force and coercion to achieve its purpose.“
    Ronald Reagan

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    “Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property
    of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they
    put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon
    absolved from any farther obedience, and are left to the common refuge
    which God hath provided for all men against force and violence.” -John
    Locke

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    Often used Quotes:
    ………………………………………………
    “Inside Every Liberal Is A Totalitarian Screaming to Get Out.”
    ……………………………………………..
    “The Founding Fathers knew a government can’t control the economy
    without controlling people. And they knew when a government sets out to
    do that, it must use force and coercion to achieve its purpose.“
    Ronald Reagan

    ……………………………………………..
    If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull. W. C. Fields
    …………………………………………….

    Democracy is the worst form of government except for all those others that have been tried. Winston Churchill

    “The only reason for not tarring and feathering any government official for effrontery when they tell us what to do is that their power to do so is somehow legitimate. But that legitimacy comes from the exercise of constitutional power. If the Constitution doesn’t mean anything, well, then, maybe it’s time to go long on pitchforks. Because without the Constitution the angry mob is just as legitimate as the perfumed princes of the state.”
    Josh Blackman
    …………………………………………………
    “Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property
    of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they
    put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon
    absolved from any farther obedience, and are left to the common refuge
    which God hath provided for all men against force and violence.” -John
    Locke

    …………………………………………….

    Still talking I see… Go ahead… Knock yourself out. When you actually make any kind of a valid, logical point I’ll jump back in. Until then… Enjoy the sound of yourself talking to yourself.

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    “The Founding Fathers knew a government can’t control the economy
    without controlling people. And they knew when a government sets out to
    do that, it must use force and coercion to achieve its purpose.“
    Ronald Reagan

    Effective Gun Control – A National Semi-Auto Ban
    Monday Oct 05, 2015 Dailykos
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/10/5/1427845/-Effective-Gun-Control-A-National-Semi-Auto-Ban

    “Certain kinds of weapons, like the slightly modified combat rifles used in California, and certain kinds of ammunition, must be outlawed for civilian ownership. It is possible to define those guns in a clear and effective way and, yes, it would require Americans who own those kinds of weapons to give them up for the good of their fellow citizens.” New York Times December 5, 2015 [Front Page]

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/05/opinion/end-the-gun-epidemic-in-america.html

    http://ktla.com/2015/12/05/new-york-times-publishes-1st-front-page-editorial-since-1920-states-end-the-gun-epidemic-in-america/

    MSNBC’s Ed Schultz Talks Gun ‘Confiscation http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/dan-gainor/2012/12/16/msnbc-s-ed-schultz-talks-gun-confiscation

    End the Gun Epidemic in America http://a.msn.com/01/en-us/AAg2dhB?

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    “Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property
    of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they
    put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon
    absolved from any farther obedience, and are left to the common refuge
    which God hath provided for all men against force and violence.” -John
    Locke

    Page A29 at the NYT, With a Dull Headline: Cuomo Says Gun ‘Confiscatio http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2012/12/22/page-a29-nyt-dull-headline-cuomo-says-gun-confiscation-could-be-option#.Vk-U_ZpV4zY.twitter

    Cuomo: ‘Confiscation Could Be An Option’

    Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/336373/cuomo-confiscation-could-be-option-eliana-johnson

    Here’s the Audio of the NY Gov. Talking Gun Control: ‘Confiscation Could Be an … http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/12/21/heres-the-audio-of-ny-gov-talking-gun-control-confiscation-could-be-an-option/?
    1:30

    NY Governor Cuomo on guns: ‘Confiscation could be an option’
    http://www.bizpacreview.com/2012/12/22/ny-governor-cuomo-on-guns-confiscation-could-be-an-option-12029

    New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo On Gun Control: ‘Confiscation Could Be An Option’ http://www.mediaite.com/online/new-york-gov-andrew-cuomo-on-gun-control-confiscation-could-be-an-option/ via @mediaite

    Clinton: Australian-Style Gun Control ‘Worth Considering’ for U.S.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JctBYrIaKvY

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    The Second Amendment must go: We ban lawn darts. It’s time to ban guns December 4, 2015 Salon

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    The Second Amendment must go: We ban lawn darts. It’s time to ban guns Friday, Dec 4, 2015 11:00 AM UTC
    Hollis Phelps http://www.salon.com/2015/12/04/the_second_amendment_must_go_we_ban_lawn_darts_its_time_to_ban_guns/

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    Friday, Dec 4, 2015 11:00 AM UTC
    The Second Amendment must go: We ban lawn darts. It’s time to ban guns Friday, Dec 4, 2015 11:00 AM UTC
    Hollis Phelps
    […]
    Yet when it comes to guns, we collectively do nothing, except spout off some strained political rhetoric every now and then, that is, after the most recent mass shooting. [Add in prayer here.] Or we dig in and cite our constitutional right to bear arms, which apparently trumps death, even the death of children. There’s a lot of room for debate regarding the meaning of the second amendment. I doubt very much that our “founding fathers” envisioned that right in its current form, but even if they did, it really shouldn’t matter. The framers of the constitution weren’t gods, meaning that their words aren’t—and shouldn’t be—sacrosanct.
    http://www.salon.com/2015/12/04/the_second_amendment_must_go_we_ban_lawn_darts_its_time_to_ban_guns/

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    Friday, Dec 4, 2015 11:00 AM UTC
    The Second Amendment must go: We ban lawn darts. It’s time to ban guns
    We are one nation, forever f*cked by the NRA and an outdated and dangerous read of the Constitution. Let’s fix it
    Hollis Phelps
    […]
    Yet when it comes to guns, we collectively do nothing, except spout off some strained political rhetoric every now and then, that is, after the most recent mass shooting. [Add in prayer here.] Or we dig in and cite our constitutional right to bear arms, which apparently trumps death, even the death of children. There’s a lot of room for debate regarding the meaning of the second amendment. I doubt very much that our “founding fathers” envisioned that right in its current form, but even if they did, it really shouldn’t matter. The framers of the constitution weren’t gods, meaning that their words aren’t—and shouldn’t be—sacrosanct.
    http://www.salon.com/2015/12/04/the_second_amendment_must_go_we_ban_lawn_darts_its_time_to_ban_guns/

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    Friday, Dec 4, 2015 11:00 AM UTC
    The Second Amendment must go: We ban lawn darts. It’s time to ban guns
    We are one nation, forever f*cked by the NRA and an outdated and dangerous read of the Constitution. Let’s fix it
    Hollis Phelps
    […]
    Yet when it comes to guns, we collectively do nothing, except spout off some strained political rhetoric every now and then, that is, after the most recent mass shooting. [Add in prayer here.] Or we dig in and cite our constitutional right to bear arms, which apparently trumps death, even the death of children. There’s a lot of room for debate regarding the meaning of the second amendment. I doubt very much that our “founding fathers” envisioned that right in its current form, but even if they did, it really shouldn’t matter. The framers of the constitution weren’t gods, meaning that their words aren’t—and shouldn’t be—sacrosanct.
    [..]
    We shouldn’t “take them away” from people who currently own them, necessarily. That would likely cause just as many problems. I’m sure there are more than a few disgruntled gun owners out there who would take a ban as an assault on liberty, and act accordingly. We should, rather, phase them out over time, similar to the way in which the CPSC dealt with drop-sides. Allow those who currently own guns to keep them, but ban the future manufacture, sale and resale of guns and ammunition for personal use. Without a continually expanding and revolving supply of licit guns and ammunition immediately at hand, the hope is the gradual depletion of their circulation and utility. Calling it a contemporary version of beating swords into ploughshares.

    There is, of course, always the black market, where the “criminals” go anyway to get their guns. Those who deserve guns least will be the only ones who have access to them: the “bad guys.” Perhaps. But the mythology of the “bad guy with the gun” is rooted more in ideology and fear than fact, and is perpetuated by the easy flow of guns in the first place.

    Besides, the black market for guns already depends upon an overabundance of guns, meaning a ban would affect it as well. It likely wouldn’t eradicate it, of course, and there’s no reason to assume otherwise. Nevertheless, coupling a supply problem with severe penalties could do much to curb such illicit markets, making them unattractive and out of reach for most people, criminals included. That would be a good thing, for the “good guys” and the “bad guys.”

    Call me naïve or any number of other things, but my suggestion is no more naïve than most of the arguments that gun advocates trot out on a daily basis. It’s also no more naïve than thinking that we’ll solve our gun problem with half measures or, even worse, doing nothing.
    http://www.salon.com/2015/12/04/the_second_amendment_must_go_we_ban_lawn_darts_its_time_to_ban_guns/

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    Friday, Dec 4, 2015 11:00 AM UTC
    The Second Amendment must go: We ban lawn darts. It’s time to ban guns
    We are one nation, forever f*cked by the NRA and an outdated and dangerous read of the Constitution. Let’s fix it
    Hollis Phelps
    […]
    Yet when it comes to guns, we collectively do nothing, except spout off some strained political rhetoric every now and then, that is, after the most recent mass shooting. [Add in prayer here.] Or we dig in and cite our constitutional right to bear arms, which apparently trumps death, even the death of children. There’s a lot of room for debate regarding the meaning of the second amendment. I doubt very much that our “founding fathers” envisioned that right in its current form, but even if they did, it really shouldn’t matter. The framers of the constitution weren’t gods, meaning that their words aren’t—and shouldn’t be—sacrosanct.
    [..]
    Guns don’t kill people, people do, someone will say. But people use guns to kill people, and it makes it much easier to do so, including on a mass scale. The idea that guns aren’t to blame but the actions of people is misguided and unthinking, to say the least. Specifically, it ignores what guns are for. A crib or, perhaps, a car, may kill under certain circumstances, but that’s not what a crib or a car is for. When death does result from their use, we assume that they have, in some way, been misused. At the very least, they have failed to fulfill their intended purpose, intentionally or not. Not so with a gun. The whole point of a gun is to injure or kill. Guns can certainly be used in other ways and for other reasons, such as sport, but these are secondary to its primary function. When a gun is used to injure or kill, it’s being used as intended. It’s the gun that’s at issue, because of the type of object that it is.

    But the problem is irresponsible gun owners or criminals, not the overwhelming majority of law-abiding citizens who choose to own and use guns responsibly, people say. A fair point at one level, but most everyone’s responsible and law-abiding until they’re not. People in committed relationships usually go into them with fidelity in mind, yet infidelity is common and, often, unexpected. It’s similar with guns and gun owners. No “responsible” gun owner ever thinks he’ll ever misuse his gun—until he does something stupid, gets angry in the wrong place at the wrong time, leaves it unattended with children around, or simply snaps. Perhaps that doesn’t happen most of the time, but it happens frequently enough to raise questions, even though we usually don’t.

    To say as much isn’t a commentary on gun owners per se, but on human beings. We can screen the “mentally ill” all we want, but the ill aren’t necessarily anymore susceptible to stupidity, anger, or crime than “normal” people. I’m all for providing more affordable and accessible resources for dealing with mental illness, but let’s not pretend that doing so would actually solve our gun problem. Putting the burden for gun violence on the mentally ill is little more than an all-too-convenient sleight of hand, one that results, moreover, from a misunderstanding of mental illness. The burden, rather, should be put on gun owners themselves, especially those who rebut any attempt to make access to guns more difficult, and on society as a whole.

    The mass shootings that plague us, and the daily individual acts of gun violence and death should, however, lead us to make access to guns more difficult. We should, that is, seek to “control” access to them and their use. But even that’s not going far enough. We should get rid of them, that is, ban them. Guns create too many problems, promote too much fear, and lead to too many deaths to not consider banning them. Perhaps they were necessary at some point in our history, but let’s declare that that time has run its course.

    We shouldn’t “take them away” from people who currently own them, necessarily. That would likely cause just as many problems. I’m sure there are more than a few disgruntled gun owners out there who would take a ban as an assault on liberty, and act accordingly. We should, rather, phase them out over time, similar to the way in which the CPSC dealt with drop-sides. Allow those who currently own guns to keep them, but ban the future manufacture, sale and resale of guns and ammunition for personal use. Without a continually expanding and revolving supply of licit guns and ammunition immediately at hand, the hope is the gradual depletion of their circulation and utility. Calling it a contemporary version of beating swords into ploughshares.

    There is, of course, always the black market, where the “criminals” go anyway to get their guns. Those who deserve guns least will be the only ones who have access to them: the “bad guys.” Perhaps. But the mythology of the “bad guy with the gun” is rooted more in ideology and fear than fact, and is perpetuated by the easy flow of guns in the first place.

    Besides, the black market for guns already depends upon an overabundance of guns, meaning a ban would affect it as well. It likely wouldn’t eradicate it, of course, and there’s no reason to assume otherwise. Nevertheless, coupling a supply problem with severe penalties could do much to curb such illicit markets, making them unattractive and out of reach for most people, criminals included. That would be a good thing, for the “good guys” and the “bad guys.”

    Call me naïve or any number of other things, but my suggestion is no more naïve than most of the arguments that gun advocates trot out on a daily basis. It’s also no more naïve than thinking that we’ll solve our gun problem with half measures or, even worse, doing nothing.
    http://www.salon.com/2015/12/04/the_second_amendment_must_go_we_ban_lawn_darts_its_time_to_ban_guns/

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    Friday, Dec 4, 2015 11:00 AM UTC
    The Second Amendment must go: We ban lawn darts. It’s time to ban guns
    We are one nation, forever f*cked by the NRA and an outdated and dangerous read of the Constitution. Let’s fix it
    Hollis Phelps
    Our youngest son just transitioned from crib to bed. Since we don’t plan to have any more children, we decided to sell the crib, a hand-me-down from his older brother. It’s a nice, well-made crib, made from real wood and bought from a reliable company. We could easily resell it for a handsome price, but we found out a few weeks ago that we can’t. It’s a drop side crib, and unbeknownst to us the Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) banned the manufacture, sale, and resale of drop-sides in 2010, even though individuals can unadvisedly still use them. Drop-sides were responsible for more than 30 infant and toddler deaths in the decade prior to their ban, along with thousands of injuries. We hadn’t realized that our kid had been sleeping and playing in a death trap.

    A few accidental deaths are often enough to ban certain items, or at the very least recall them, and often without much fanfare. It’s strange that we don’t have the same reaction to guns. Guns have killed many more infants and toddlers than drop-side cribs, not to mention older children, adolescents, and adults. Guns have killed many more than a host of other objects not originally designed to kill. Remember lawn darts? The CPSC banned the sale of the metal-tipped ones after three deaths and numerous serious injuries.

    Yet when it comes to guns, we collectively do nothing, except spout off some strained political rhetoric every now and then, that is, after the most recent mass shooting. [Add in prayer here.] Or we dig in and cite our constitutional right to bear arms, which apparently trumps death, even the death of children. There’s a lot of room for debate regarding the meaning of the second amendment. I doubt very much that our “founding fathers” envisioned that right in its current form, but even if they did, it really shouldn’t matter. The framers of the constitution weren’t gods, meaning that their words aren’t—and shouldn’t be—sacrosanct.

    We know this intuitively, since we’ve had to add numerous amendments to make up for their failures, lack, or just plain ignorance. But if we can add, we can also take away, by interpreting the Second Amendment differently or passing a new amendment that would effectively repeal it. We should never do so lightly, of course—taking away rights can be, and often is, a risky enterprise. But the purpose of a right should be individual and collective flourishing. A right, in other words, has as its goal the individual and common good, even if we don’t like to use such weighty moral terminology nowadays.

    It’s not clear to me that gun ownership accomplishes that purpose. It seems more the case that it works against the good of all, in the havoc and murder it wreaks but also in the fear that in promotes. At the very least, we should have a discussion about the relationship of guns to the common good, instead of appealing like a fundamentalist to “rights” every time something happens that questions their value.

    Guns don’t kill people, people do, someone will say. But people use guns to kill people, and it makes it much easier to do so, including on a mass scale. The idea that guns aren’t to blame but the actions of people is misguided and unthinking, to say the least. Specifically, it ignores what guns are for. A crib or, perhaps, a car, may kill under certain circumstances, but that’s not what a crib or a car is for. When death does result from their use, we assume that they have, in some way, been misused. At the very least, they have failed to fulfill their intended purpose, intentionally or not. Not so with a gun. The whole point of a gun is to injure or kill. Guns can certainly be used in other ways and for other reasons, such as sport, but these are secondary to its primary function. When a gun is used to injure or kill, it’s being used as intended. It’s the gun that’s at issue, because of the type of object that it is.

    But the problem is irresponsible gun owners or criminals, not the overwhelming majority of law-abiding citizens who choose to own and use guns responsibly, people say. A fair point at one level, but most everyone’s responsible and law-abiding until they’re not. People in committed relationships usually go into them with fidelity in mind, yet infidelity is common and, often, unexpected. It’s similar with guns and gun owners. No “responsible” gun owner ever thinks he’ll ever misuse his gun—until he does something stupid, gets angry in the wrong place at the wrong time, leaves it unattended with children around, or simply snaps. Perhaps that doesn’t happen most of the time, but it happens frequently enough to raise questions, even though we usually don’t.

    To say as much isn’t a commentary on gun owners per se, but on human beings. We can screen the “mentally ill” all we want, but the ill aren’t necessarily anymore susceptible to stupidity, anger, or crime than “normal” people. I’m all for providing more affordable and accessible resources for dealing with mental illness, but let’s not pretend that doing so would actually solve our gun problem. Putting the burden for gun violence on the mentally ill is little more than an all-too-convenient sleight of hand, one that results, moreover, from a misunderstanding of mental illness. The burden, rather, should be put on gun owners themselves, especially those who rebut any attempt to make access to guns more difficult, and on society as a whole.

    The mass shootings that plague us, and the daily individual acts of gun violence and death should, however, lead us to make access to guns more difficult. We should, that is, seek to “control” access to them and their use. But even that’s not going far enough. We should get rid of them, that is, ban them. Guns create too many problems, promote too much fear, and lead to too many deaths to not consider banning them. Perhaps they were necessary at some point in our history, but let’s declare that that time has run its course.

    We shouldn’t “take them away” from people who currently own them, necessarily. That would likely cause just as many problems. I’m sure there are more than a few disgruntled gun owners out there who would take a ban as an assault on liberty, and act accordingly. We should, rather, phase them out over time, similar to the way in which the CPSC dealt with drop-sides. Allow those who currently own guns to keep them, but ban the future manufacture, sale and resale of guns and ammunition for personal use. Without a continually expanding and revolving supply of licit guns and ammunition immediately at hand, the hope is the gradual depletion of their circulation and utility. Calling it a contemporary version of beating swords into ploughshares.

    There is, of course, always the black market, where the “criminals” go anyway to get their guns. Those who deserve guns least will be the only ones who have access to them: the “bad guys.” Perhaps. But the mythology of the “bad guy with the gun” is rooted more in ideology and fear than fact, and is perpetuated by the easy flow of guns in the first place.

    Besides, the black market for guns already depends upon an overabundance of guns, meaning a ban would affect it as well. It likely wouldn’t eradicate it, of course, and there’s no reason to assume otherwise. Nevertheless, coupling a supply problem with severe penalties could do much to curb such illicit markets, making them unattractive and out of reach for most people, criminals included. That would be a good thing, for the “good guys” and the “bad guys.”

    Call me naïve or any number of other things, but my suggestion is no more naïve than most of the arguments that gun advocates trot out on a daily basis. It’s also no more naïve than thinking that we’ll solve our gun problem with half measures or, even worse, doing nothing.
    http://www.salon.com/2015/12/04/the_second_amendment_must_go_we_ban_lawn_darts_its_time_to_ban_guns/

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    A democracy is two wolves and a small lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Freedom under a constitutional republic is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.
    – Benjamin Franklin

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    The new Democratic agenda on gun control http://www.vox.com/2015/12/7/9859802/democrats-gun-control via @voxdotcom

    The new Democratic gun agenda: “dangerous people” shouldn’t have guns
    How the Democrats found an approach to gun control that unites liberals and moderates — and why it might not last.
    National Democrats aren’t just coalescing around the general idea that gun violence is a fixable issue and greater restrictions on guns would help. They’ve unified (mostly) behind a particular policy agenda — one that’s slightly different, at least in its emphasis, from the gun control debates of 20 years ago.

    The new Democratic gun control agenda boils down to something the Center for American Progress says: “Dangerous people should not be able to easily acquire guns.” That means universal background checks. It means more robust mental health requirements for gun ownership. And it means preventing particular populations of people from buying guns legally — including suspected terrorists and domestic abusers.

    In the 1990s, the gun control debate was about particularly dangerous guns or forms of ammunition. The “dangerous people” agenda deemphasizes those policies. Instead, it’s about the process by which the government decides whether it’s okay for someone to own a gun to begin with.
    http://www.vox.com/2015/12/7/9859802/democrats-gun-control via @voxdotcom

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    “When you have made evil the means of survival, do not expect men to remain good. Do not expect them to stay moral and lose their lives for the purpose of becoming the fodder of the immoral. Do not expect them to produce, when production is punished and looting rewarded.”

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    One man with a gun can control 100 without one. Vladimir Lenin

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    “When you have made evil the means of survival, do not expect men to remain good. Do not expect them to stay moral and lose their lives for the purpose of becoming the fodder of the immoral. Do not expect them to produce, when production is punished and looting rewarded.”

    #Confiscation
    NY Times Editorial Flashback: Hitler The Only Voice Who Understands Roosevelt In Europe… http://www.weaselzippers.us/243805-ny-times-editorial-flashback-hitler-the-only-voice-who-understands-roosevelt-in-europe/ via @WeaselZippers
    NY Times Prints First Front Page Editorial In 95 Years: ‘End The Gun Epidemic’ http://www.weaselzippers.us/243756-ny-times-prints-first-front-page-editorial-in-95-years-end-the-gun-epidemic/ via @WeaselZippers

    I Shot Holes in the New York Times Editorial http://www.erickontheradio.com/2015/12/i-shot-holes-in-the-new-york-times-editorial/

    http://www.erickontheradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/IMG_3841.jpg

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    One man with a gun can control 100 without one. Vladimir Lenin

    Gun Grabbing Governor Gets Softballs on New Watch list Ban
    http://www.mrctv.org/videos/gun-grabbing-governor-gets-softballs-new-watchlist-ban

    New York Times, in rare front-page editorial, calls for outlawing some rifles http://news.yahoo.com/york-times-rare-front-page-editorial-calls-outlawing-071431605.html?soc_src=mediacontentstory&soc_trk=tw via @YahooNews

    NY Times’ Second Editorial Demand for Gun Control Proves They Have No Idea What They’re Talking About
    http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/12/foghorn/ny-times-second-editorial-demand-for-gun-control-proves-they-have-no-idea-what-theyre-talking-about/

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    If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull. W. C. Fields

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    If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull. W. C. Fields

    NYT argues for gun confiscation in Page One editorial http://twitchy.com/2015/12/04/new-york-times-argues-for-gun-confiscation-in-page-one-editorial/

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    Déjà vu: Majority oppose “assault weapons” ban in WaPo/ABC poll, too http://hotair.com/archives/2015/12/16/deja-vu-majority-oppose-assault-weapons-ban-in-wapoabc-poll-too/

    Most Now Oppose an Assault Weapons Ban; Doubts About Stopping a Lone Wolf Run High (POLL) – ABC News – http://abcn.ws/1O5tLFa via @ABC

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    Déjà vu: Majority oppose “assault weapons” ban in WaPo/ABC poll, too http://hotair.com/archives/2015/12/16/deja-vu-majority-oppose-assault-weapons-ban-in-wapoabc-poll-too/

    Most Now Oppose an Assault Weapons Ban; Doubts About Stopping a Lone Wolf Run High (POLL) – ABC News – http://abcn.ws/1O5tLFa via @ABC

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    “The only reason for not tarring and feathering any government official for effrontery when they tell us what to do is that their power to do so is somehow legitimate. But that legitimacy comes from the exercise of constitutional power. If the Constitution doesn’t mean anything, well, then, maybe it’s time to go long on pitchforks. Because without the Constitution the angry mob is just as legitimate as the perfumed princes of the state.”
    Josh Blackman

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    MSNBC’s Alex Wagner: Get Rid Of Second Amendment November 2011
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/11/06/msnbc_and_huffington_posts_wagner_get_rid_of_second_amendment.html

    MSNBC’s Alex Wagner: Get Rid Of Second Amendment November 2011

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    MSNBC’s Alex Wagner: Get Rid Of Second Amendment
    November 6, 2011
    MSNBC analyst and soon-to-be host of a daytime television show on the network Alex Wagner is asked what she thinks needs to be removed in the Constitution.
    Alex Wagner, Huffington Post: “Well, I’m going to be pilloried for this. I think get rid of the second Amendment, the right to bear arms.
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/11/06/msnbc_and_huffington_posts_wagner_get_rid_of_second_amendment.html

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    MSNBC’s Alex Wagner: Get Rid Of Second Amendment
    November 6, 2011
    MSNBC analyst and soon-to-be host of a daytime television show on the network Alex Wagner is asked what she thinks needs to be removed in the Constitution. Wagner says the second Amendment since it doesn’t seem to fit in with the others.

    Alex Wagner, Huffington Post: “Well, I’m going to be pilloried for this. I think get rid of the second Amendment, the right to bear arms. I just think in the grand scheme of the rights that we have; the right of assembly, free speech. I mean, owning a gun does not, it does not tally on the same level as those other Constitutional rights. And being more discreet about who gets to have a firearm and right to kill with a firearm, I think is something that would be in our national interest to revisit that.”
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/11/06/msnbc_and_huffington_posts_wagner_get_rid_of_second_amendment.html

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    MSNBC’s Alex Wagner: Get Rid Of Second Amendment
    November 6, 2011
    MSNBC analyst and soon-to-be host of a daytime television show on the network Alex Wagner is asked what she thinks needs to be removed in the Constitution. Wagner says the second Amendment since it doesn’t seem to fit in with the others.

    Maher, for his part, thinks gerrymandering and corporate personhood should not be in the Constitution.

    Bill Maher, HBO: “Let’s ask Alex. What would you change in the Constitution?”

    Alex Wagner, Huffington Post: “Well, I’m going to be pilloried for this. I think get rid of the second Amendment, the right to bear arms. I just think in the grand scheme of the rights that we have; the right of assembly, free speech. I mean, owning a gun does not, it does not tally on the same level as those other Constitutional rights. And being more discreet about who gets to have a firearm and right to kill with a firearm, I think is something that would be in our national interest to revisit that.”
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/11/06/msnbc_and_huffington_posts_wagner_get_rid_of_second_amendment.html

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    “If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey, he is obligated to do so.” – Thomas Jefferson

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    “The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it.”
    George Orwell

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    To see what is in front of one’s nose needs a constant struggle. – George Orwell

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    Taxes are not levied for the benefit of the taxed. – Robert Heinlein

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    A democracy is two wolves and a small lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Freedom under a constitutional republic is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.
    – Benjamin Franklin

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    “If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey, he is obligated to do so.” – Thomas Jefferson

    15-1003 Obama Demanding Gun Confiscation
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beJAGL9uxvY

    Obama Praises Australia’s Gun Confiscation Laws After Oregon School Shooting…
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3Ex3T8YU8g

    Obama cites Australia’s gun confiscation program as example for US
    Published time: 11 Jun, 2014 18:26
    Edited time: 12 Jun, 2014 22:39
    https://www.rt.com/usa/165384-obama-australia-gun-law/

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    “The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it.”
    George Orwell

    This is the problem for you blokes on the national Socialist Left – your side has made it perfectly clear that they want to Register, Ban and CONFISCATE Guns.

    And they have called for it so many times over the past 3 years that you cannot deny the reality of the situation without looking like your under a psychotic condition

    Definition of psychotic
    adjective
    Relating to, denoting, or suffering from a psychosis:
    a psychotic disturbance
    noun
    A person suffering from a psychosis.
    https://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/psychotic?

    Definition of psychosis
    A severe mental disorder in which thought and emotions are so impaired that contact is lost with external reality:
    they were suffering from a psychosis
    [mass noun]: the symptoms of psychosis
    Origin
    Mid 19th century: from Greek psukhōsis ‘animation’, from psukhoō ‘I give life to’, from psukhē ‘soul, mind’.
    http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/psychosis

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    MSNBC’s Alex Wagner: ‘Get Rid of the Second Amendment’ November 2011
    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/ken-shepherd/2011/11/14/msnbcs-alex-wagner-get-rid-second-amendment

    MSNBC’s Alex Wagner: ‘Get Rid of the Second Amendment’ November 2011

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    MSNBC’s Alex Wagner: ‘Get Rid of the Second Amendment’
    November 14, 2011
    In January 2011 after the Gabrielle Giffords shooting, MSNBC’s Richard Lui wondered, “Is it time to rethink the Second Amendment?”

    His new colleague Alex Wagner doesn’t even think there’s a question about it.

    “I’m going to be pilloried for this,” the Now with Alex Wagner host told Bill Maher on the November 4 edition of HBO’s Real Time, explaining that she thinks the Constitution should be amended to take out the individual’s right to keep and bear arms (h/t Real Clear Politics; video at link):

    I think get rid of the second Amendment, the right to bear arms. I just think in the grand scheme of the rights that we have; the right of assembly, free speech, I mean, owning a gun does not, it does not tally on the same level as those other Constitutional rights.

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/ken-shepherd/2011/11/14/msnbcs-alex-wagner-get-rid-second-amendment

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    Taxes are not levied for the benefit of the taxed. – Robert Heinlein

    “Yes conservatives, we want to take away your guns…”
    Saturday Mar 24, 2012 1:43 AM Dailykos
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/24/1077374/-Yes-conservatives-we-want-to-take-away-your-guns

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    A democracy is two wolves and a small lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Freedom under a constitutional republic is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.
    – Benjamin Franklin

    “Yes conservatives, we want to take away your guns…”
    Saturday Mar 24, 2012 1:43 AM Dailykos
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/24/1077374/-Yes-conservatives-we-want-to-take-away-your-guns

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    You should never wear your best trousers when you go out to fight for freedom and truth. – Henrik Ibsen

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    You should never wear your best trousers when you go out to fight for freedom and truth. – Henrik Ibsen

    “Yes conservatives, we want to take away your guns…”
    Saturday Mar 24, 2012 1:43 AM Dailykos
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/24/1077374/-Yes-conservatives-we-want-to-take-away-your-guns

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    The idea is quite unfounded, that on entering into society we give up any natural right. – Thomas Jefferson

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    “Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property
    of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they
    put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon
    absolved from any farther obedience, and are left to the common refuge
    which God hath provided for all men against force and violence.” -John
    Locke

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    Among other evils which being unarmed brings you, it causes you to be despised. – Niccolò Machiavelli

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    In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. From time to time we’ve been tempted to believe that society has become too complex to be managed by self-rule, that government by an elite group is superior to government for, by, and of the people. But if no one among us is capable of governing himself, then who among us has the capacity to govern someone else?

    Ronald Reagan First Inaugural Address 20 January 1981

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    “You know, I actually believe my own bull-,” Obama told the author of Renegade: The Making of a President, Richard Wolffe.

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    “Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty—power is ever stealing from the many to the few…. The hand entrusted with power becomes … the necessary enemy of the people. Only by continual oversight can the democrat in office be prevented from hardening into a despot: only by unintermitted Agitation can a people be kept sufficiently awake to principle not to let liberty be smothered in material prosperity. – Wendell Phillips, speech in Boston, Massachusetts, January 28, 1852.”

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    The idea is quite unfounded, that on entering into society we give up any natural right. – Thomas Jefferson

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    “Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property
    of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they
    put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon
    absolved from any farther obedience, and are left to the common refuge
    which God hath provided for all men against force and violence.” -John
    Locke

    MSNBC’s Ed Schultz Talks Gun ‘Confiscation’
    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/dan-gainor/2012/12/16/msnbc-s-ed-schultz-talks-gun-confiscation

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    Among other evils which being unarmed brings you, it causes you to be despised. – Niccolò Machiavelli

    MSNBC’s Ed Schultz Talks Gun ‘Confiscation’
    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/dan-gainor/2012/12/16/msnbc-s-ed-schultz-talks-gun-confiscation

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    In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. From time to time we’ve been tempted to believe that society has become too complex to be managed by self-rule, that government by an elite group is superior to government for, by, and of the people. But if no one among us is capable of governing himself, then who among us has the capacity to govern someone else?

    Ronald Reagan First Inaugural Address 20 January 1981

    MSNBC’s Ed Schultz Talks Gun ‘Confiscation’
    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/dan-gainor/2012/12/16/msnbc-s-ed-schultz-talks-gun-confiscation

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    “You know, I actually believe my own bull-,” Obama told the author of Renegade: The Making of a President, Richard Wolffe.

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    “Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty—power is ever stealing from the many to the few…. The hand entrusted with power becomes … the necessary enemy of the people. Only by continual oversight can the democrat in office be prevented from hardening into a despot: only by unintermitted Agitation can a people be kept sufficiently awake to principle not to let liberty be smothered in material prosperity. – Wendell Phillips, speech in Boston, Massachusetts, January 28, 1852.”

    Mr. Cuomo, speaking on WGDJ-AM, said: “Confiscation could be an option.”
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/21/nyregion/cuomo-says-he-will-outline-gun-measures-next-month.html?_r=1&

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    Whoever claims the right to redistribute the wealth produced by others is claiming the right to treat human beings as chattel. – Ayn Rand

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    Whoever claims the right to redistribute the wealth produced by others is claiming the right to treat human beings as chattel. – Ayn Rand

    Mr. Cuomo, speaking on WGDJ-AM, said: “Confiscation could be an option.”
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/21/nyregion/cuomo-says-he-will-outline-gun-measures-next-month.html?_r=1&

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    “You never want a serious crisis to go to waste,” Rahm Emanuel.
    “This crisis provides the opportunity for us to do things that you could not do before.”

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    “You never want a serious crisis to go to waste,” Rahm Emanuel.
    “This crisis provides the opportunity for us to do things that you could not do before.”

    Mr. Cuomo, speaking on WGDJ-AM, said: “Confiscation could be an option.”
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/21/nyregion/cuomo-says-he-will-outline-gun-measures-next-month.html?_r=1&

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    “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people’s money. ”
    ― Margaret Thatcher

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    In “The Road to Serfdom,” Friedrich Hayek noted that “the power which a multiple millionaire, who may be my neighbor and perhaps my employer, has over me is very much less than that which the smallest functionnaire possesses who wields the coercive power of the state on whose discretion it depends whether and how I am to be allowed to live or to work.”

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    ”Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard. “ H. L. Mencken

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    “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people’s money. ”
    ― Margaret Thatcher

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    In “The Road to Serfdom,” Friedrich Hayek noted that “the power which a multiple millionaire, who may be my neighbor and perhaps my employer, has over me is very much less than that which the smallest functionnaire possesses who wields the coercive power of the state on whose discretion it depends whether and how I am to be allowed to live or to work.”

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    Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt. — Mark Twain

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    “The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money.”

    Alexis de Tocqueville

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    “How do you tell a communist? Well, it’s someone who reads Marx and Lenin.
    And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It’s someone who understands Marx and Lenin.”
    Ronald Reagan

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    “How do you tell a communist? Well, it’s someone who reads Marx and Lenin.
    And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It’s someone who understands Marx and Lenin.”
    Ronald Reagan

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    The best remedy for bad speech is more speech, not censorship. The only
    people who don’t believe that are the ruling class who believe
    insulting a politician should be some sort of crime, and the chronically
    incoherent who can’t compete in the marketplace. Ed Morrissey

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    “The only power any government has is the power to crack down on
    criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them. One
    declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for
    men to live without breaking laws” ~~Ayn Rand

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    “Democracy is the worst form of government except for all those others that have been tried.” Winston Churchill

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    The best remedy for bad speech is more speech, not censorship. The only
    people who don’t believe that are the ruling class who believe
    insulting a politician should be some sort of crime, and the chronically
    incoherent who can’t compete in the marketplace. Ed Morrissey

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    “The only power any government has is the power to crack down on
    criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them. One
    declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for
    men to live without breaking laws” ~~Ayn Rand

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    “Democracy is the worst form of government except for all those others that have been tried.” Winston Churchill

  • Torcer

    “Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property
    of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they
    put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon
    absolved from any farther obedience,
    and are left to the common refuge
    which God hath provided for all men against force and violence.” -John
    Locke

  • Torcer

    “Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property
    of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they
    put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon
    absolved from any farther obedience,
    and are left to the common refuge
    which God hath provided for all men against force and violence.” -John
    Locke

    “Ban, seize semi-auto weapons”State Rep. Dan Muhlbauer, D-Manilla December 19, 2012
    http://carrollspaper.com/Content/Local-News-Archive/Local-News/Article/Muhlbauer-Ban-seize-semi-auto-weapons/1/1/14934

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    “Understand one thing……You can make laws against weapons but they will be observed only by those who don’t intend to use them anyway. The lawless can always smuggle or steal, or even make a gun. By refusing to wear a gun you allow the criminal to operate with impunity.” – Louis L’Amour

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    Make no mistake – the national Socialist Left’s ultimate goal is Confiscation:

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    “Understand one thing……You can make laws against weapons but they will be observed only by those who don’t intend to use them anyway. The lawless can always smuggle or steal, or even make a gun. By refusing to wear a gun you allow the criminal to operate with impunity.” – Louis L’Amour

    “Ban, seize semi-auto weapons”State Rep. Dan Muhlbauer, D-Manilla December 19, 2012
    http://carrollspaper.com/Content/Local-News-Archive/Local-News/Article/Muhlbauer-Ban-seize-semi-auto-weapons/1/1/14934

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    Make no mistake – the national Socialist Left’s ultimate goal is Confiscation:

    ‘Turn in your guns’ Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Texas) December 19, 2012,http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/273753-house-dem-calls-on-people-to-turn-in-your-guns

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    Datos, ne quisquam seruiat, enses. (The sword was given for this, that none need live a slave.) – Marcus Annaeus Lucanus

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    The possession of arms is the distinction between a freeman and a slave. – James Burgh, 1774

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    Datos, ne quisquam seruiat, enses. (The sword was given for this, that none need live a slave.) – Marcus Annaeus Lucanus

    ‘Turn in your guns’ Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Texas) December 19, 2012,http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/273753-house-dem-calls-on-people-to-turn-in-your-guns

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    The possession of arms is the distinction between a freeman and a slave. – James Burgh, 1774

    ‘Turn in your guns’ Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Texas) December 19, 2012,http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/273753-house-dem-calls-on-people-to-turn-in-your-guns

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    War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and
    degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing
    is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is
    willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal
    safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless
    made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.”

    – John Stuart Mill 1806-1873

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    War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and
    degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing
    is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is
    willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal
    safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless
    made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.”

    – John Stuart Mill 1806-1873

    April 4, 2013

    Obama Mocks Second Amendment Supporters Worried About Gun Confiscations… http://www.weaselzippers.us/139178-obama-mocks-second-amendment-supporters-worried-about-gun-confiscations/ via @WeaselZippers

    Obama Praises Australia’s Gun Confiscation Laws After Oregon School Shooting… http://www.weaselzippers.us/189303-obama-praises-australias-gun-confiscation-laws-after-oregon-school-shooting/ via @WeaselZippers

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    “Then you will see the rise of the men of the double standard–the men
    who live by force, yet count on those who live by trade to create the
    value of their looted money–the men who are the hitchhikers of virtue.
    In a moral society, these are the criminals, and the statutes are
    written to protect you against them. But when a society establishes
    criminals-by-right and looters-by-law–men who use force to seize the
    wealth of disarmed victims–then money becomes its creators’ avenger.
    Such looters believe it safe to rob defenseless men, once they’ve passed
    a law to disarm them. Excerpt from Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand

  • Torcer

    “A Statist system — whether of a communist, fascist, Nazi, socialist or
    ‘welfare’ type — is based on the … government’s unlimited power,
    which means: on the rule of brute force. … Under Statism, the
    government is not a policeman, but a legalized criminal that holds the
    power to use physical force in any manner and for any purpose it pleases
    against legally disarmed, defenseless victims.” Ayn Rand

  • Torcer

    “The Founding Fathers knew a government can’t control the economy
    without controlling people. And they knew when a government sets out to
    do that, it must use force and coercion to achieve its purpose. “ Ronald
    Reagan

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    “Then you will see the rise of the men of the double standard–the men
    who live by force, yet count on those who live by trade to create the
    value of their looted money–the men who are the hitchhikers of virtue.
    In a moral society, these are the criminals, and the statutes are
    written to protect you against them. But when a society establishes
    criminals-by-right and looters-by-law–men who use force to seize the
    wealth of disarmed victims–then money becomes its creators’ avenger.
    Such looters believe it safe to rob defenseless men, once they’ve passed
    a law to disarm them. Excerpt from Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand

    “If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States, for an outright ban, picking up [every gun]… Mr. and Mrs. America, turn ‘em all in.”Diane Feinstein on Gun Control “Turn ‘Em All In!”
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-b45FdDN3s&feature=player_detailpage
    Published on Jan 18, 2013

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    “A Statist system — whether of a communist, fascist, Nazi, socialist or
    ‘welfare’ type — is based on the … government’s unlimited power,
    which means: on the rule of brute force. … Under Statism, the
    government is not a policeman, but a legalized criminal that holds the
    power to use physical force in any manner and for any purpose it pleases
    against legally disarmed, defenseless victims.” Ayn Rand

    “If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States, for an outright ban, picking up [every gun]… Mr. and Mrs. America, turn ‘em all in.”Diane Feinstein on Gun Control “Turn ‘Em All In!”
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-b45FdDN3s&feature=player_detailpage
    Published on Jan 18, 2013

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    “The Founding Fathers knew a government can’t control the economy
    without controlling people. And they knew when a government sets out to
    do that, it must use force and coercion to achieve its purpose. “ Ronald
    Reagan

    “If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States, for an outright ban, picking up [every gun]… Mr. and Mrs. America, turn ‘em all in.”Diane Feinstein on Gun Control “Turn ‘Em All In!”
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-b45FdDN3s&feature=player_detailpage
    Published on Jan 18, 2013

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    One man with a gun can control 100 without one. Vladimir Lenin

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    “Democracy is the worst form of government except for all those others that have been tried.” Winston Churchill

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    6 times Clinton sounded, acted like a candidate
    Wed June 18, 2014
    Hillary Clinton did at CNN’s town hall meeting on Tuesday what most politicians do: She staked out a position on some issues, catered to her base in others and avoided some questions altogether.

    There were comments during her hour-long interview with CNN International Correspondent Christiane Amanpour and a studio audience at the Newseum as well as Tumblr that are sure to make the base happy.

    Those included how far Clinton went to attack pro-gun activists and her states-rights approach to marijuana, which was a departure from her earlier position.

    Between the answers and dodges, though, Clinton sounded, acted and presented herself very much like a candidate, not solely as a former secretary of state.

    She was careful, at times, about not going too far on an issue and when asked about forward looking policy questions, she regularly used the word “we.”
    Clinton also entertained questions about 2016.

    She said she’s “not going to be rushed to” decide on whether to run for president and that she was not moving any closer to making a decision.
    Here are six key moments where citizen Clinton sounded like candidate Clinton.

    1. Benghazi: Since leaving the State Department in 2013, the deadly Benghazi terror attack has been the most talked about question around Clinton.
    Conservatives see it as her biggest weakness, while liberals say it shows how worried the right is about a Clinton presidency.

    On Tuesday, Clinton said she’s “very pleased” that special forces captured Ahmed Abu Khatallah, a militia leader alleged to have been a mastermind of the armed assault on the U.S. diplomatic compound in eastern Libya in September 2012 that killed four Americans, including Ambassador Christopher Stevens.

    Her comments lined up with much of what she has said previously. She defended the fact that Americans were in Benghazi in the first place but said not everything around what occurred is clear yet.

    “There are answers, not all of them, not enough, frankly,” Clinton said. “I’m still looking for answers, because it was a confusing and difficult time.”

    Asked specifically what she wants to know, Clinton said: “There’s a lot we don’t know,” such as who was behind the attack and what was their motivation.

    Clinton has long said Benghazi was her biggest regret from her tenure at State and regularly says that the decisions of the day were made “based on imperfect information,” and that despite the right intentions come with “unforeseen consequences, unpredictable twists and turns.”

    Asked if she should have ordered Stevens to leave Libya, given that it was the anniversary of the 9/11 attacks, Clinton said, “If any of us had known, we would have certainly cautioned and maybe even directed people to shelter in place … and wait to see what was going to happen.”

    2. Guns, minorities terrorizing majorities: Clinton said on Tuesday that the United States needs to have “a more thoughtful conversation” on guns and blasted gun rights activists.

    “We cannot let a minority of people — and that’s what it is, it is a minority of people — hold a viewpoint that terrorizes the majority of people,” she said.

    Those comments are the strongest she has made in favor of gun control during her book tour and plant Clinton firmly with those who support tougher restrictions.

    “We’re going to have to do a better job protecting the vast majority of our citizens, including our children, from that very, very, very small group that is unfortunately prone to violence and now with automatic weapons can wreak so much more violence than they ever could have before,” Clinton said.

    Clinton has said during her paid speaking tour over the past six months that the United States needs “to rein in what has become an almost article of faith that anybody can have a gun, anywhere, anytime.”

    In the weeks and months after the 2012 Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting, Democrats — led by President Barack Obama — looked to spearhead efforts to strengthen gun laws and expand background checks of firearm sales.

    Despite public support for the background check provision, a compromise plan failed to pass the Democratic-controlled Senate in April of last year, and efforts since then have been minimal.

    Clinton has backed those efforts and during the town hall, she backed reinstating the ban on assault weapons and banning high-capacity magazines.

    3. Deportation: During her book tour, Clinton had come out firmly in support of immigration reform and even bashed its opponents, labeling them as people who “don’t seem to understand one of our strongest and most important attributes is that we are still a nation of immigrants.”

    But on Tuesday, Clinton gave an answer that is sure to rile some in her base when she defended Obama’s deportation practices.

    “We have to understand the difficulty that President Obama finds himself in because there are laws that impose certain obligations on him,” Clinton said in response to a questioner who called Obama the “deporter-in-chief.”

    But she was pressed by Amanpour about tens of thousands of children fleeing Central American countries and crossing the southern border into the United States. It’s become a major problem that some liken to a humanitarian crisis.

    The Obama administration has stepped up efforts to begin deportation proceedings, and Clinton supports sending them home, if possible.

    “They should be sent back as soon as it can be determined who responsible adults in their families are, because there are concerns whether all of them should be sent back,” Clinton said. “But I think all of them who can be should be reunited with their families.”

    On this problem particularly, Clinton later said, “We have so to send a clear message, just because your child gets across the border, that doesn’t mean the child gets to stay. So, we don’t want to send a message that is contrary to our laws or will encourage more children to make that dangerous journey.”

    4. Marijuana and another Clinton evolution: While campaigning for president in 2007, Clinton was positively against decriminalizing marijuana.

    “I don’t think we should decriminalize it,” Clinton said at the time. “But we ought to do research (into) what, if any, benefits it has.”

    After Tuesday’s town hall, it appears Clinton has evolved on the issue, though.

    “On recreational, you know, states are the laboratories of democracy,” Clinton said. “We have at least two states that are experimenting with that right now. I want to wait and see what the evidence is.”

    In 2012, voters in Washington and Colorado passed ballot initiatives that legalized small amounts of marijuana for recreational use. Other states have allowed usage for medical reasons.

    Clinton said Tuesday that she doesn’t think “we’ve done enough research yet” on medical marijuana questions, but said that “there should be availability (of marijuana) under appropriate circumstances.”

    As for smoking pot herself, Clinton declined. “I didn’t do it when I was young. I’m not going to start now,” she said with a laugh.

    Marijuana now joins same-sex marriage as another issue on which Clinton has evolved as the country’s opinion has.

    According to a January CNN/ORC International poll on marijuana, 55% of those questioned nationally said marijuana should be made legal, with 44% disagreeing. In 1987, only 16% of Americans backed legalization.

    Clinton backed same-sex marriage in 2013, just weeks after leaving the State Department. At that time, public opinion on the issue had began to shift toward allowing same-sex marriage and Clinton adjusted her position after most in her party had.

    The change seemed to win over some in the crowd, too. “I think she has evolved a lot,” said Daniel Cohen of Chapel Hill, North Carolina.

    5. Breaking with Obama: As Clinton’s book was about to hit stores, both Obama and Clinton aides wanted no daylight between the former rivals. The messaging was that Obama’s team of rivals was unrivaled during Clinton’s four years at State.

    But at the town hall — as well as in her book — Clinton distanced herself from Obama, particularly on the approach to the civil war in Syria.

    “We pushed very hard,” Clinton said about her view that the United States should arm and help rebels that were fighting Syrian government forces. “But as I say in my book, I believe that Harry Truman was right, the buck stops with the president.”

    Clinton added that she told Obama that the United States “should have” armed rebels “you know, two plus years ago.”

    Asked if the White House’s decision not to get involved in Syria beyond the limited help that has been given to rebels was a failure, Clinton said she thinks it is “too soon to tell.”

    In the past, though, Clinton has said that the rise of terrorist groups in Syria has allowed for the rise of Islamists in Iraq.

    While Clinton distanced herself from Obama on Syria, she also pulled herself closer and defended Obama on another issue.

    6. Iran, American Jews and politics: Clinton firmly planted herself last week with the White House and those who say the United States should not provide military assistance — particularly airstrikes — to the Iraqi government in response to the rise of the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria and other militants.

    But the story has already moved.

    Now Secretary of State John Kerry, Clinton’s successor, says the United States could end up cooperating with Iran to stop the militant threat.

    On Tuesday, she cased doubt on cooperating with Iran in an answer that was as much foreign policy as it was political.

    “I am not prepared to say that we go in with Iran right now, until we have a better idea what we’re getting ourselves into,” Clinton said. “What they (Iran) want to do in Baghdad is basically to envelop (Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki) in the Iranian embrace, maybe even use their own troops in Iraq, as they did in Syria. That is a very difficult position to put the United States in.”

    The United States and Iran have held “very brief discussions” about Iraq.

    A U.S.-Iran partnership would be problematic for Clinton. American Jews already have questions about Clinton’s State Department record and her work with Iran. Clinton has touted her ties to Israel and her mistrust of Iran in speeches to Jewish organizations.
    http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/17/politics/clinton-town-hall-what-to-watch/

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    Hillary Clinton: Need ban on assault rifles
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvomInWt3ps

    Published on Jun 17, 2014
    Hillary Clinton answers a question about where she stands on gun control in the wake of school shootings. More from CNN at http://www.cnn.com/

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    6 times Clinton sounded, acted like a candidate
    Wed June 18, 2014
    “We cannot let a minority of people — and that’s what it is, it is a minority of people — hold a viewpoint that terrorizes the majority of people,” she said.

    Clinton has backed those efforts and during the town hall, she backed reinstating the ban on assault weapons and banning high-capacity magazines.
    http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/17/politics/clinton-town-hall-what-to-watch/


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    6 times Clinton sounded, acted like a candidate
    Wed June 18, 2014
    There were comments during her hour-long interview with CNN International Correspondent Christiane Amanpour and a studio audience at the Newseum as well as Tumblr that are sure to make the base happy.

    Those included how far Clinton went to attack pro-gun activists and her states-rights approach to marijuana, which was a departure from her earlier position.
    2. Guns, minorities terrorizing majorities: Clinton said on Tuesday that the United States needs to have “a more thoughtful conversation” on guns and blasted gun rights activists.

    “We cannot let a minority of people — and that’s what it is, it is a minority of people — hold a viewpoint that terrorizes the majority of people,” she said.

    Clinton has backed those efforts and during the town hall, she backed reinstating the ban on assault weapons and banning high-capacity magazines.
    http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/17/politics/clinton-town-hall-what-to-watch/

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    6 times Clinton sounded, acted like a candidate
    Wed June 18, 2014
    Hillary Clinton did at CNN’s town hall meeting on Tuesday what most politicians do: She staked out a position on some issues, catered to her base in others and avoided some questions altogether.

    There were comments during her hour-long interview with CNN International Correspondent Christiane Amanpour and a studio audience at the Newseum as well as Tumblr that are sure to make the base happy.

    Those included how far Clinton went to attack pro-gun activists and her states-rights approach to marijuana, which was a departure from her earlier position.

    Between the answers and dodges, though, Clinton sounded, acted and presented herself very much like a candidate, not solely as a former secretary of state.

    She was careful, at times, about not going too far on an issue and when asked about forward looking policy questions, she regularly used the word “we.”
    Clinton also entertained questions about 2016.

    She said she’s “not going to be rushed to” decide on whether to run for president and that she was not moving any closer to making a decision.
    Here are six key moments where citizen Clinton sounded like candidate Clinton.

    2. Guns, minorities terrorizing majorities: Clinton said on Tuesday that the United States needs to have “a more thoughtful conversation” on guns and blasted gun rights activists.

    “We cannot let a minority of people — and that’s what it is, it is a minority of people — hold a viewpoint that terrorizes the majority of people,” she said.

    Those comments are the strongest she has made in favor of gun control during her book tour and plant Clinton firmly with those who support tougher restrictions.

    “We’re going to have to do a better job protecting the vast majority of our citizens, including our children, from that very, very, very small group that is unfortunately prone to violence and now with automatic weapons can wreak so much more violence than they ever could have before,” Clinton said.

    Clinton has said during her paid speaking tour over the past six months that the United States needs “to rein in what has become an almost article of faith that anybody can have a gun, anywhere, anytime.”

    In the weeks and months after the 2012 Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting, Democrats — led by President Barack Obama — looked to spearhead efforts to strengthen gun laws and expand background checks of firearm sales.

    Despite public support for the background check provision, a compromise plan failed to pass the Democratic-controlled Senate in April of last year, and efforts since then have been minimal.

    Clinton has backed those efforts and during the town hall, she backed reinstating the ban on assault weapons and banning high-capacity magazines.
    http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/17/politics/clinton-town-hall-what-to-watch/

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    “For in reason, all government without the consent of the governed is
    the very definition of slavery.” – Jonathan Swift (1667-1745)

    “A couple of decades ago, Australia had a mass shooting similar to Columbine or Newtown. And Australia just said, well, that’s it — we’re not seeing that again. And basically imposed very severe, tough gun laws.” Obama June 10, 2014

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    “Do you think that we want those laws to be observed? We want them broken. There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power the government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals one makes
    them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.” Ayn Rand

    “A couple of decades ago, Australia had a mass shooting similar to Columbine or Newtown. And Australia just said, well, that’s it — we’re not seeing that again. And basically imposed very severe, tough gun laws.” Obama June 10, 2014

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    The spread of evil is the symptom of a vacuum. whenever evil wins, it is
    only by default: by the moral failure of those who evade the fact that
    there can be no compromise on basic principles. Ayn Rand

    “A couple of decades ago, Australia had a mass shooting similar to Columbine or Newtown. And Australia just said, well, that’s it — we’re not seeing that again. And basically imposed very severe, tough gun laws.” Obama June 10, 2014

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    “For in reason, all government without the consent of the governed is
    the very definition of slavery.” – Jonathan Swift (1667-1745)

    “A couple of decades ago, Australia had a mass shooting similar to Columbine or Newtown. And Australia just said, well, that’s it — we’re not seeing that again. And basically imposed very severe, tough gun laws.” Obama June 10, 2014

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    Remarks by the President in Q&A with David Karp, CEO of Tumblr
    June 10, 2014
    State Dining Room
    4:15 P.M. EDT

    THE PRESIDENT: Hello, everybody.

    AUDIENCE: Hi.

    THE PRESIDENT: You don’t have to be so formal. (Laughter.) Sheesh. Come on, now.

    MR. KARP: This is unusual. Thank you. Thank you, everyone, and welcome to the White House. Thank you for having us, Mr. President. I’m David Karp, the founder of Tumblr, and it is my tremendous privilege to be here with President Obama today and joined by the Tumblr community. Thank you for joining us, everyone.

    Yesterday, the President signed an executive order intended to curb the pain of student debt. Americans now hold more than a trillion dollars in student debt, one of the greatest expenses they’ll incur in their lifetime. And the generation that’s just reaching college age is beginning to wonder if it’s even worth it.

    One-third of Americans who have applied for an education loan this year also happen to use Tumblr, so last week we asked our audience if they had questions that they’d like to ask the President about the cost value and accessibility of higher education — turns out they had quite a few. We’re not going to be able to get through all of them today, but the President has been kind enough to give us some time at his house to answer some of those questions. (Laughter.)

    So again, huge thank you for making yourself available today. Anything you’d like to add before we start?

    THE PRESIDENT: Well, first of all, this is a rental house. (Laughter.) I just want to be clear. My lease runs out in about two and a half years.

    Second of all, I want to thank David and the whole Tumblr community for participating in this. We’re constantly looking for new ways to reach audiences that are relevant to the things we’re talking about. And, obviously, young people disproportionately use Tumblr. A lot of Tumblr users are impacted by student debt. So for you to be able to give us this forum to speak directly to folks is wonderful, and I’m looking forward to a whole bunch of good questions.

    MR. KARP: Thank you. Okay, so everybody is clear on how the questions work — so since we closed for questions at 5:00 p.m. yesterday, we brought together a team of influential Tumblr bloggers who helped us select some of the best questions. There are — a few of them, anyway, are joining us in the audience in the State Dining Room here today. Neither the White House nor the President have seen any of these questions in advance.

    Should we get started?

    THE PRESIDENT: Let’s go.

    MR. KARP: All right. So, first came in from Caitlin (ph). I appreciate your willingness to work with legislators to attempt to retroactively diffuse the cost of some student’s loans by creating new repayment plans, but this seems to me like an attempt to put a band aid on a broken leg. What are we doing to actually lower the cost of a college degree — excuse me — of college tuition so these loans will no longer be necessary?

    THE PRESIDENT: Well, it’s a great question. Let me give people some context for what’s happened over the last 20, 30 years.

    I graduated from college in ’83; graduated from law school in 1990. And although I went to a private school, through a combination of grants, loans and working I had a fairly low level of debt that I was able to pay in one year without getting an incredibly well-paying job. I was able to keep my debt burden pretty low. Folks who were 10 years younger than me, they probably paid even less. And if you went to a state school at the time, typically people would come out with almost no debt whatsoever.

    Today, the average debt burden, even for young people who are going to a public university, is about $30,000. And that gives you some sense of how much the cost has escalated for the average young person.

    Now, you mentioned earlier some people are wondering, is this a good investment. It absolutely is. The difference between a college grad and somebody with a high school diploma is about $28,000 a year in income. So it continues to be a very smart investment for you to go to college. But we have to find ways to do two things.

    One is we have to lower the costs on the front end. And then, if you do have to supplement whatever you can pay with borrowing, we’ve got to make sure that that is a manageable debt. And about 12 months ago, maybe 16 months ago, I convened college and university presidents around the country to start working with them on how we could lower debt — or lower tuition, rather.

    The main reason that tuition has gone up so much is that state legislatures stopped subsidizing public universities as much as they used to, in part because they started spending money on things like prisons and other activities that I think are less productive. And so schools then made up for the declining state support by jacking up their tuition rates.

    What’s also happened is, is that the costs of things like health care that a university community with a lot of personnel has to shoulder, those costs have gone up faster than wages and incomes. The combination of those things has made college tuition skyrocket faster than health care costs have.

    There are ways we can bring down those costs, and we know that because there are some colleges who have done a very good job in keeping tuition low. We also have to do a better job of informing students about how to keep their debt down — because, frankly, universities don’t always counsel young people well when they first come in; they say, don’t worry about it, you can pay for it — not realizing that you’re paying for it through borrowing that you’re going to end up having to shoulder once you graduate.

    MR. KARP: What does that help, what does that support look like? So Chelsea sent in a very similar question from Portland. So she asks: “Colleges help students get into debt. They don’t often help offer financial planning services before school, after they graduate.”

    Do you guys have a plan to help students make sound financial decisions? I mean, these are teenagers who are making decisions sometimes amounting to hundreds of thousands of dollars that are going to follow them through their entire lives. Hopefully, they have parents who can help them navigate those decisions. But if they don’t, are they on their own?

    THE PRESIDENT: Well, we are already doing something we call Know What You Owe. And the idea is to work with every college, university, community college out there so that when you come into school, ideally even before you accept admission from a school, you are given a sense of what your annual loans might be, what your financial package is going to translate into in terms of debt — assuming you go through a four-year degree on schedule, and what your monthly payments are likely to be afterwards.

    And so just that one step alone — making sure that schools are obliged to counsel you on the front end when you come in, as opposed to just on the exit interview once you’ve already accumulated the debt — that in and of itself can make a big difference.

    MR. KARP: Understood. We didn’t get first names for everybody. So Haiku Moon asks — (laughter) —

    THE PRESIDENT: That might be the first name. That’s a cool name. (Laughter.)

    MR. KARP: “It wasn’t until after I graduated college that I realized what I wanted to do with my life. Now I have a degree that has very little to do with that goal and a mountain of debt. I can’t help but wonder if I wasn’t pressured to go to college and was better prepared to make that decision, and if I was better prepared to make that decision, that I might be in a better place to pursue my dreams today. How can we change the public education system to better prepare and support young people making this huge decision?” I mean, again, teenagers deciding what they want to do for the rest of their lives.

    THE PRESIDENT: Well, one of the things that Haiku Moon is alluding to is that high school should be a time in which young people have greater exposure to actual careers as opposed to just classroom study.

    And I went to a wonderful school in New York called P-TECH, went there for a visit. What they’ve done is they have collapsed high school basically into a three-year program. You can then extend for another two years and get an associate’s degree. IBM is working with them so that if, in fact, they complete the curriculum that IBM helped to design, they know they’ve got a job at IBM on the back end. And that’s just one example of what I’d like to see a lot more high schools do, which is give young people in high school more hands-on experience, more apprenticeships, more training.

    If you are somebody who is interested in graphic design, I’d rather have you work at a company doing graphic design your senior year or junior year to see if you actually like it, to get a sense of the training you need. You may not need a four-year degree. You might only need a two-year degree. You might be able to work while getting that degree. All that can save you money. So that can make a really big difference for high school kids.

    At the same time, one of the things that we initiated several years back is something called income-based repayments. And that’s something I really want to focus on, IBR for short — income-based repayments. What we did in 2011 was to say all student loans going forward, if you have a debt and you decide you want to go into a job that — like teaching or social work, that doesn’t necessarily pay a lot, you shouldn’t be hampered from making that choice just because you’ve got such a significant debt load. So what we said was that we will cap your repayments of your loans at 10 percent of your income above $18,000. And by doing that, that gives people flexibility. It doesn’t eliminate your debt. But what it does is it makes it manageable each month so that the career that you choose may not be constrained, and we then have additional programs so that if you go into one of the helping professions — public service, law enforcement, social work, teaching — then over time that debt could actually be forgiven.

    Now, the problem with it was that we passed this law in 2011; it only applied going forward. It didn’t apply retroactively. So yesterday what I did was sign an executive action saying that the Department of Education is going to be developing rules so that going backwards anybody can avail themselves of this income-based repayments, because I get a lot of letters from people who took out loans in 2005 or 2000 — they are also in a situation where they’re making regular payments but it’s very hard for them to make ends meet. And we want to ideally finish what’s called the rulemaking process — nothing is easy around here — hopefully by the time — say, the end of next year, the rules will be in place, that will be the law, and then everybody and not just folks who borrowed after 2011 can take advantage of that.

    But there’s not a lot of knowledge of this, and I hope that the Tumblr community helps to spread the word that this is something already available for loans that you took out after 2011 and hopefully by next year it will be available for people even if you took out your loans before 2011.

    MR. KARP: Where do we find information about it?

    THE PRESIDENT: You should go to whitehouse.gov, the White House website. It will then link you to ED.gov, which is the Education Department website. But whitehouse.gov I figure is easier to remember. (Laughter.)

    MR. KARP: Can you elaborate real quick on encouraging public service? So Josh from Oak Park sent in a really good question about this: “The U.S. has a long history of encouraging college-age men and women to give back to their larger communities through organizations like the Peace Corps, through organizations like Teach for America. Couldn’t we make a larger commitment to that by creating tuition loan forgiveness programs for those students who agree to work in those fields or work in those geographic areas in need of skilled employees?” So you can imagine family practice doctors, you can imagine public defenders.

    THE PRESIDENT: I mean, right now we have some programs like this in place but they’re typically relatively small, relatively specialized. So there are some loan-forgiveness programs for primary care physicians who are going out to rural communities or inner cities or underserved communities. There are some programs that are available through the AmeriCorps program for people who are engaged in public service. They are not as broad-based and widespread as I would like. And we have tried to work with Congress — so far, unsuccessfully — to be able to get an expansion of these areas.

    And let’s take health care as an example. We know that the population is aging. We know that we have a severe shortage of primary care physicians. A lot of young doctors are going into specialized fields like dermatology or plastic surgery because you can make a relatively large profit, you don’t end up having a lot of liability, and that’s not really what we need more of.

    And so my hope is, is that over time Congress recognizes that young people are our most precious asset. There are some areas that we know we need people to get into the field, our best and brightest, and right now the financial burdens are precluding them from doing it. And we could open up those fields to a huge influx of talent if we were a little smarter with it.

    MR. KARP: So you’ve touched on health care in public service and health care in general. You talk a lot about STEM fields. So how do we promote — this is one Orta (sp) asked: “How can we promote growth in STEM fields without putting humanities on the back burner?”

    THE PRESIDENT: Well, first of all, I want to say I was a humanities major. (Laughter.) I majored in political science and I minored in English. And I was pretty good in math, but in high school — I actually loved math and science until I got into high school, and then I misspent those years. (Laughter.) And the thing about the humanities was you could kind of talk your way through classes, which you couldn’t do in math and science. (Laughter.)

    So a great liberal arts humanities education is still critically important, because in today’s global economy, one of the most important skills you have is your ability to work with people and communicate clearly and effectively. Having said that, what is also true is that technology is going to continue to drive innovation. And just to be a good citizen, you need some background in STEM, and we are not producing enough engineers, enough computer scientists, enough math teachers and science teachers, and enough researchers.

    And so I’m putting a big emphasis on STEM in part because we have a shortage; not because I’m privileging one over the other, but because we don’t have as many people going into the STEM fields. And it starts early.

    Part of what we’re trying to do is work with public schools to take away some of the intimidation factor in math and science. Part of what we’re trying to do is make sure that we are reaching to demographics that are very underrepresented — and, yes, I mean you, women. Girls are still more likely to be discouraged from pursuing math, science, technology degrees. You see that imbalance in Silicon Valley, you see it in a lot of high-tech firms.

    And so we’re trying to lift up curriculums that are interesting for kids, work with schools in terms of best practices. One of the things that we’re also discovering is that young people who have an interest in math and science, when they go to college, oftentimes they’re steered into finance because that’s been perceived as the more lucrative option. And we’re trying to work with universities and departments of engineering, for example, to help mentor young people to understand that — if you look at the top 100 companies in the country, you’ve got a lot more engineers running companies than you do folks who have a finance background.

    And so there are great opportunities. And one of the things that every young person should be thinking about is, A, what’s their passion, what do they care about, but they should also be taking a look at where is there a demand. And frankly, if you’ve got a science or engineering background, the likelihood of you being unemployed is very low, because there’s always going to be a need — and it doesn’t preclude you from writing a haiku at some point and figuring out some creative outlet. But having that discipline and that skillset is still going to be invaluable.

    MR. KARP: Well, you just described it as really hard to navigate — again, a teenager making the decision between passion or an industry that’s going to have demand for them. So great question: “At this point, I’m stuck between majors. I know the field I have a passion for has a limited number of jobs, all of which pay very little. Assuming I get the job, the low income will make it difficult to pay the substantial debt I’ll most likely be in from that education. There are other fields I know I could succeed in and receive the higher salary, but I’m afraid that one day I’ll realize I hate what I do.”

    Question was, how did you decide on your career, and what advice do you have for somebody who is coming up trying to navigate that marketplace with demand or their passions?

    THE PRESIDENT: Well —

    MR. KARP: By the way, one vote for keeping kids out of finance. (Laughter.)

    THE PRESIDENT: Or the law, by the way, because — (laughter) — we have enough lawyers. Although it’s a fine profession. (Laughter.) I can say that because I’m a lawyer.

    I think everybody is different. But I do think that, first of all, when I first got out of school I worked for a year in a job that I wasn’t interested in because I wanted to pay off my loans.

    Now, I had the luxury, as I said, that my loan burden was only — was small enough that I could pay it off in a year. But work is not always fun, and you can’t always follow your bliss right away. And so I think that young people should be practical. I know a lot of young people who work for five years in a field that they may not be interested, but it gives them the financial stability and the base from which then to do what they want. And there’s nothing wrong with that.

    The main advice I would give young people starting off, though, is ultimately you are going to do best at something you care deeply about. And some people have probably heard this said before, but if you really enjoy what you do, then the line between work and play starts vanishing a little bit. You still have to grind it out, but you can get into that mindset where the creativity or the effort and the sweat that you’re putting into what you do doesn’t feel like a burden, it feels like an expression of what you care about.

    And so I think your career is not going to be a straight line all the time. I think there may be times where you got to take a detour and you got to do something practical to pay the bills. There are going to be times where you see an opportunity, and you’re making a calculated risk that I’m going to start some wacky company called Tumblr. (Laughter.)

    And how you balance the practical with your highest aspirations is something that will be different for each person. Everybody is going to have different circumstances.

    MR. KARP: What do you say to kids right now who ask you — they see their passion, they want to build big stuff for the Internet. They want to build the next big app or the next big social network. What do you tell them, when they say, hey, look, David, Zuckerberg, Jobs, Gates, all these guys —

    THE PRESIDENT: Just dropped out of school.

    MR. KARP: — might not necessarily deserve to get a company up, but dropped out of school?

    THE PRESIDENT: Yes. I mean you wouldn’t know it looking at you, but you’re like LeBron or Durant. (Laughter.) I mean, you guys don’t have the same physiques — (laughter) — but there are only going to be so many Zuckerbergs or Gates who are able to short-circuit the traditional path.

    If you can, more power to you. But let me put it this way: Had you not — let’s say Tumblr had been a bust, right? Or Facebook had just ended up being some dating site that nobody was really interested in.

    MR. KARP: We’d be in a hard place.

    THE PRESIDENT: Well, but the truth is also you had the foundation where you could go back to school, right? I mean, it wasn’t as if you were suddenly operating without a net. I’m assuming that you would have been readmitted to whatever institution you were in. And if not, then you would go to another school and you’d do fine.

    So the issue is not whether you may not want to take a risk at some point. The point is that for the average young person an investment in college is always going to be a smart investment. Making sure you know what it is that you’re investing in is important.

    One of the biggest areas where we see a problem is young people who are going, let’s say, to technical schools or community colleges or some of these for-profit universities, they’re promised a lot. But they haven’t done the research to see, okay, does typically a graduate coming out of one of these schools get a job in the occupation? Are they actually making money? If you’re going to have $50,000 worth of debt, you better have factored in what are the employment prospects coming out.

    And so I think it’s good for young people — not only good, it’s imperative for young people to be good consumers of education, and don’t just assume that there’s one way of doing things.

    We tell our daughters — Malia is now — she’ll be 16 next month, and she’s going to be in the college process. And we tell her, don’t assume that there are 10 schools that you have to go to, and if you didn’t go to those 10, that somehow things are going to be terrible. There are a lot of schools out there. There are a lot of options. And you should do your research before you decide to exercise one of those options.

    Having said that, the overwhelming evidence is that a college education is the surest, clearest path into the middle class for most Americans.

    MR. KARP: Is the White House right now offering any of those tools to be a good a consumer, to navigate all the choices out there?

    THE PRESIDENT: Yes, yes. So if you go to whitehouse.gov, which will link you to the Department of Education, one of the things that we’re doing is to — we’re starting to develop a scorecard for colleges and universities so you have just a general sense of what’s the typical graduation rate, what’s the typical debt that you carry once you get out, what is the employment rate for graduates five years afterwards. And over time, one of the things that we’re trying to do is develop a ranking system that is not exactly the same as the typical college-ranking systems that you see in U.S. News and World Report, for example.

    Part of the problem with the traditional ranking systems of schools is that, for example, high cost is actually a bonus in the ranking system. It indicates prestige, and so there may be some great schools that are expensive, but what you’re missing is a great school that may give you much better value, particularly in the field that you’re in.

    Now, there’s some controversy, I want to confess, about — that a lot of colleges and universities say, you know, if you start ranking just based on cost and employability, et cetera, you’re missing the essence of higher education and so forth. What we’re really trying to do is just identify here are some good bargains, here are some really bad deals. Then there’s going to be a bunch of schools in the middle that there’s not going to be a huge amount of differentiation. But what we are trying to do is make sure that students have enough information going into it that they don’t end up in a school that is pretty notorious for piling a lot of debt on their students but not really delivering a great education.

    MR. KARP: Back to the debt, which is top of mind for everybody here today — so Megan (ph) from Tulsa asked an interesting question: “Of my $220,000 in student loans —

    THE PRESIDENT: Yikes.

    MR. KARP: — from college and law school” — there you go — “less than half is receiving the benefit of loan forgiveness.” Why is there no discussion on the mounting private student loan debt?

    THE PRESIDENT: Well, there is a discussion. The problem is we just end up having less leverage over that. I mean, the truth is, is that both legislatively and administratively we have some impact on federal loans. Private loans — if you take — if you go to a private company and you’re taking out a loan, we have the Consumer Finance Protection Bureau that is trying to regulate this area and make sure that you have full information about what you’re getting yourself into. It’s another version of Know Before You Owe. But it’s harder for us to restructure some of that debt.

    Now, one thing that I think is really important for everybody to know here — because this is actual action you can take, as opposed to just listening to me blather on. This week, there will be a vote in the United States Senate on a bill sponsored by Elizabeth Warren, the Senator from Massachusetts. And what this bill would do would allow students to refinance their existing loans at today’s rates. The reason that’s important is because rates have been low, and typically there’s going to be a pretty big spread between the rates that a lot of students — the interest rates that a lot of students have on their debt right now, versus what they could do if they refinanced, the same way that a lot of people refinance their mortgages to take advantage of historically low rates.

    And so this vote is coming up. It will come up this week. I think everybody on Tumblr should be contacting their senators and finding out where they stand on the issue, because — and, by the way, this is something that will not add to the deficit, because the way we pay for it is we say that we’re going to eliminate some loopholes right now that allow millionaires and billionaires to pay lower rates of taxes than secretaries and teachers. And so it would pay for itself. It’s a good piece of legislation. It directly affects folks in their 20s and 30s, and in some cases, their 40s and 50s and 60s. But particularly the young people who use Tumblr, this is something that you should pay a lot of attention to. Make sure that you are pushing your senators around this issue.

    MR. KARP: Particularly important if you know you’re facing that debt already or you are already today facing that debt. What’s the best way, though, for people who are — again, they’re thinking about higher education, they’re in school today, and a thoughtful question. What is the best way for students to have a voice in their own education? So much education today, I think really — I don’t know, I mean, so many teenagers who feel like education is happening to them. They’re going through the motions. They know that this is what they’re supposed to do, and so they follow along. How do we make sure kids are driving?

    THE PRESIDENT: Well, look, at some point it’s going to be up to the young person to drive that education. It’s not inevitable that you just fasten your seatbelt and just go on a ride for four years or two years or whatever it is. I mean, I have to say that in my own college experience, I think the first two years I was there thinking I’m just happy to be here and I’m having fun and I’ll just sort of go through the motions. My last two years was when I really became much more serious about what I was doing and much more intentional about what I was doing.

    Too many young people see — and I’m grossly generalizing now, so excuse me — but I use myself as an example as well. I think too many of us see college as a box to check or a place to have fun and extend adolescence, as opposed to a opportunity for each of us to figure out what is it that we’re good at, what is it that we care about, what is it that we’re willing to invest a lot of time and effort and energy into, how do we hone some skills or interests or attributes that we already have. And as a consequence, I think young people waste a lot of time in school.

    Now, again, I’m generalizing, because there are a whole bunch of folks who are working while going to school, while helping out their parents — in some cases, they’re already parents themselves. And so everything I just said does not apply to you. It’s interesting — one of the reasons I think I did well in law school was because I had worked for three and a half years so that by the time I got to law school I actually knew why I was studying the law, and I knew exactly what I wanted to get out of it — not to mention the fact that the idea of just going to class for three hours a day and then reading didn’t seem particularly oppressive to me, whereas young people who had come straight out of college thought, this is horrible. Try working for a while and then you realize that this is a pretty good deal. (Laughter.)

    But I think that part of what we as adults have to do goes back to what I said about high schools. Education is not a passive thing. You don’t tip your head and somebody pours it into your ear. It is an active process of you figuring out the world and your place in it. And the earlier we can help young people — not lock them in. Look, nobody expects that somebody who is 16 automatically knows exactly what they want to do, and people may change their minds repeatedly. But what we can do is expose young people to enough actual work and occupations that they start getting a feel for what they would be interested in. And I really want to work with more school districts, and I’ve asked the Secretary of Education, Arne Duncan, to work with more school districts, and we’re actually giving grants to school districts that are thinking creatively about how high school can be used more effectively.

    I don’t want a young person who knows that they want to go into the trades to just waste four years of high school and then they’ve got to go through two years of apprenticeship and classwork before they become a contractor. I’d rather have them doing contracting while also getting some other educational exposure so that they’re getting a jump on the things that they want to do. And they can save a lot of money in the process.

    MR. KARP: So Beth asked a question close to that point. Instead of pushing all students into college, shouldn’t we focus on the other side — increasing the minimum wage and making it viable, livable to enter the workforce straight out of high school? Should we be doing both?

    THE PRESIDENT: Absolutely. Well, here is what I would say: There are very few jobs now where you’re not going to need some advanced training. One of the great things about being President is I get to visit companies and worksites and factories. And if you go into the average auto company today, for example, first of all, it’s not at all what you’d imagine — it is spotless and it is quiet, and it is humming, because it is all mechanized and computerized at this point. And even if you have a four-football-field-sized assembly line, most of the people there are working with machines and they’re working on computer keyboards.

    So having some basic training in math, some familiarity with computers, some familiarity with programming and code — all that is a huge advantage if you are trying to get a job on an assembly line. Now, if that’s true for assembly line work, that’s certainly going to be true for any other trade that you’re interested in.

    We do have to do a better job of giving young people who are interested an effective vocational education. And there are tons of opportunities out there for people — here’s an interesting statistic: The average trade person in Wisconsin — and what I mean by that is an electrician, a plumber, a carpenter, a machine tool worker — the average age in Wisconsin is 59 years old. Now, these jobs typically pay 25, 30 bucks an hour, potentially, with benefits. You can make a really good living doing that, and there are a lot of folks who love doing it. It’s really interesting work and highly skilled work.

    So I don’t want somebody to find out about that when they’re 30, after they’ve already taken a bunch of classes and stuff that they ended up not using; now they’ve got a bunch of debt. I’d rather, if they got that inclination, to figure that early and be able to go straight into something that helps them get that job.

    MR. KARP: So one question we heard a lot from our community that I wanted to make sure to mention today: Recently — I think you’ve been following — the Department of Ed’s Office of Civil Rights and DOJ have extended Title IX protections to trans students. What do you see as the next steps to ensure equal treatment of trans people in schools in America?

    THE PRESIDENT: Well, Title IX is a powerful tool. It’s interesting — yesterday I had the University of Connecticut men’s and women’s basketball teams here. This is only the second time that the men’s and women’s basketball teams won the national championship in the same year. The previous year was 2004, and it was UConn again.

    But what was interesting about it is that the men were kind of a surprise. It was nice. The women were dominant. I mean, the UConn Husky women’s program, they rule. And they are incredible athletes. And talking to these young women, they’re poised and they’re beautiful, and some of them are 6’6” and they’re wearing high heels, and supremely confident and competitive. And that’s a huge shift from even 20 years ago or 30 years ago. The reason for that was Title IX was applied vigorously in schools, and it gave opportunities — it’s not like women suddenly became athletes. They were athletic before. Michelle, when I work out with her, she puts me to shame. (Laughter.) But it had more to do with restrictions and opportunity.

    So the point I’m making is, is that Title IX is a very powerful tool. The fact that we are applying it to transgender students means that they are going to be in a position to assert their rights if and when they see that they are being discriminated on their college campuses. And that could manifest itself in a whole variety of ways.

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    “Do you think that we want those laws to be observed? We want them broken. There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power the government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals one makes
    them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.” Ayn Rand

    “A couple of decades ago, Australia had a mass shooting similar to Columbine or Newtown. And Australia just said, well, that’s it — we’re not seeing that again. And basically imposed very severe, tough gun laws.” Obama June 10, 2014

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    Remarks by the President in Q&A with David Karp, CEO of Tumblr
    June 10, 2014
    State Dining Room
    4:15 P.M. EDT
    [..]
    MR. KARP: Brilliant. This one was sent in a few days ago: “Mr. President, my name is Nick Dineen, and I attend school at the University of California-Santa Barbara. I was the RA for the floor that George Chen lived on last year as a first-year college student. I knew him. Elliot Rodger killed him and five more of my fellow students. Today, another man has shot and killed at least one person and injured three others at a private Christian school in Seattle. What are you going to do? What can we all do?” And of course, another mass shooting this morning.

    THE PRESIDENT: I have to say that people often ask me how has it been being President, and what am I proudest of and what are my biggest disappointments. And I’ve got two and a half years left. My biggest frustration so far is the fact that this society has not been willing to take some basic steps to keep guns out of the hands of people who can do just unbelievable damage.

    We’re the only developed country on Earth where this happens. And it happens now once a week. And it’s a one-day story. There’s no place else like this. A couple of decades ago, Australia had a mass shooting similar to Columbine or Newtown. And Australia just said, well, that’s it — we’re not seeing that again. And basically imposed very severe, tough gun laws. And they haven’t had a mass shooting since.

    Our levels of gun violence are off the charts. There’s no advanced, developed country on Earth that would put up with this. Now, we have a different tradition. We have a Second Amendment. We have historically respected gun rights. I respect gun rights. But the idea that, for example, we couldn’t even get a background check bill in to make sure that if you’re going to buy a weapon you have to actually go through a fairly rigorous process so that we know who you are, so you can’t just walk up to a store and buy a semiautomatic weapon — it makes no sense.

    And I don’t know if anybody saw the brief press conference from the father of the young man who had been killed at Santa Barbara. And as a father myself, I just could not understand the pain he must be going through and just the primal scream that he gave out — why aren’t we doing something about this?

    And I will tell you, I have been in Washington for a while now and most things don’t surprise me. The fact that 20 six-year-olds were gunned down in the most violent fashion possible and this town couldn’t do anything about it was stunning to me. And so the question then becomes what can we do about it. The only thing that is going to change is public opinion. If public opinion does not demand change in Congress, it will not change. I’ve initiated over 20 executive actions to try to tighten up some of the rules in the laws, but the bottom line is, is that we don’t have enough tools right now to really make as big of a dent as we need to.

    And most members of Congress — and I have to say, to some degree, this is bipartisan — are terrified of the NRA. The combination of the NRA and gun manufacturers are very well financed and have the capacity to move votes in local elections and congressional elections. And so if you’re running for office right now, that’s where you feel the heat. And people on the other side may be generally favorable towards things like background checks and other commonsense rules but they’re not as motivated. So that’s not — that doesn’t end up being the issue that a lot of you vote on.

    And until that changes, until there is a fundamental shift in public opinion in which people say, enough, this is not acceptable, this is not normal, this isn’t sort of the price we should be paying for our freedom, that we can have respect for the Second Amendment and responsible gun owners and sportsmen and hunters can have the ability to possess weapons but that we are going to put some commonsense rules in place that make a dent, at least, in what’s happening — until that is not just the majority of you — because that’s already the majority of you, even the majority of gun owners believe that. But until that’s a view that people feel passionately about and are willing to go after folks who don’t vote reflecting those values, until that happens, sadly, not that much is going to change.

    The last thing I’ll say: A lot of people will say that, well, this is a mental health problem, it’s not a gun problem. The United States does not have a monopoly on crazy people. (Laughter.) It’s not the only country that has psychosis. And yet, we kill each other in these mass shootings at rates that are exponentially higher than anyplace else. Well, what’s the difference? The difference is, is that these guys can stack up a bunch of ammunition in their houses and that’s sort of par for the course.

    So the country has to do some soul searching about this. This is becoming the norm, and we take it for granted in ways that, as a parent, are terrifying to me. And I am prepared to work with anybody, including responsible sportsmen and gun owners, to craft some solutions. But right now, it’s not even possible to get even the mildest restrictions through Congress, and we should be ashamed of that.
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    The spread of evil is the symptom of a vacuum. whenever evil wins, it is
    only by default: by the moral failure of those who evade the fact that
    there can be no compromise on basic principles. Ayn Rand

    “A couple of decades ago, Australia had a mass shooting similar to Columbine or Newtown. And Australia just said, well, that’s it — we’re not seeing that again. And basically imposed very severe, tough gun laws.” Obama June 10, 2014

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    Remarks by the President in Q&A with David Karp, CEO of Tumblr
    June 10, 2014
    State Dining Room
    4:15 P.M. EDT
    [..]
    THE PRESIDENT: I have to say that people often ask me how has it been being President, and what am I proudest of and what are my biggest disappointments. And I’ve got two and a half years left. My biggest frustration so far is the fact that this society has not been willing to take some basic steps to keep guns out of the hands of people who can do just unbelievable damage.

    We’re the only developed country on Earth where this happens. And it happens now once a week. And it’s a one-day story. There’s no place else like this. A couple of decades ago, Australia had a mass shooting similar to Columbine or Newtown. And Australia just said, well, that’s it — we’re not seeing that again. And basically imposed very severe, tough gun laws. And they haven’t had a mass shooting since.

    Our levels of gun violence are off the charts. There’s no advanced, developed country on Earth that would put up with this. Now, we have a different tradition. We have a Second Amendment. We have historically respected gun rights. I respect gun rights. But the idea that, for example, we couldn’t even get a background check bill in to make sure that if you’re going to buy a weapon you have to actually go through a fairly rigorous process so that we know who you are, so you can’t just walk up to a store and buy a semiautomatic weapon — it makes no sense.
    https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/06/10/remarks-president-qa-david-karp-ceo-tumblr

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    Remarks by the President in Q&A with David Karp, CEO of Tumblr
    June 10, 2014
    State Dining Room
    4:15 P.M. EDT
    [..]
    MR. KARP: Brilliant. This one was sent in a few days ago: “Mr. President, my name is Nick Dineen, and I attend school at the University of California-Santa Barbara. I was the RA for the floor that George Chen lived on last year as a first-year college student. I knew him. Elliot Rodger killed him and five more of my fellow students. Today, another man has shot and killed at least one person and injured three others at a private Christian school in Seattle. What are you going to do? What can we all do?” And of course, another mass shooting this morning.

    THE PRESIDENT: I have to say that people often ask me how has it been being President, and what am I proudest of and what are my biggest disappointments. And I’ve got two and a half years left. My biggest frustration so far is the fact that this society has not been willing to take some basic steps to keep guns out of the hands of people who can do just unbelievable damage.

    We’re the only developed country on Earth where this happens. And it happens now once a week. And it’s a one-day story. There’s no place else like this. A couple of decades ago, Australia had a mass shooting similar to Columbine or Newtown. And Australia just said, well, that’s it — we’re not seeing that again. And basically imposed very severe, tough gun laws. And they haven’t had a mass shooting since.

    Our levels of gun violence are off the charts. There’s no advanced, developed country on Earth that would put up with this. Now, we have a different tradition. We have a Second Amendment. We have historically respected gun rights. I respect gun rights. But the idea that, for example, we couldn’t even get a background check bill in to make sure that if you’re going to buy a weapon you have to actually go through a fairly rigorous process so that we know who you are, so you can’t just walk up to a store and buy a semiautomatic weapon — it makes no sense.
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    Distrust all men in whom the impulse to punish is powerful. – Friedrich Nietzsche

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    Distrust all men in whom the impulse to punish is powerful. – Friedrich Nietzsche

    Remarks by the President in Q&A with David Karp, CEO of Tumblr
    June 10, 2014
    THE PRESIDENT: A couple of decades ago, Australia had a mass shooting similar to Columbine or Newtown. And Australia just said, well, that’s it — we’re not seeing that again. And basically imposed very severe, tough gun laws. And they haven’t had a mass shooting since.
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    Remarks by the President in Q&A with David Karp, CEO of Tumblr
    June 10, 2014
    State Dining Room
    4:15 P.M. EDT
    [..]
    THE PRESIDENT:
    A couple of decades ago, Australia had a mass shooting similar to Columbine or Newtown. And Australia just said, well, that’s it — we’re not seeing that again. And basically imposed very severe, tough gun laws. And they haven’t had a mass shooting since.
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    “You need only reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a
    reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating the very
    phrases which our founding fathers used in their struggle for
    independence.” Charles A. Beard, Historian (1874-1948)

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    “You need only reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a
    reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating the very
    phrases which our founding fathers used in their struggle for
    independence.” Charles A. Beard, Historian (1874-1948)

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    Bill of Rights
    Amendment 1
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
    Amendment 2
    A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

    You say gun control doesn’t work? Fine. Let’s ban guns altogether. http://fw.to/q3NgAlk LA Times May 28, 2014

  • Torcer

    “When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together
    in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal
    system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it.”
    Frederic Bastiat

    You say gun control doesn’t work? Fine. Let’s ban guns altogether. http://fw.to/q3NgAlk LA Times May 28, 2014

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    “If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull. W. C. Fields”

    You say gun control doesn’t work? Fine. Let’s ban guns altogether. http://fw.to/q3NgAlk LA Times May 28, 2014

  • Torcer

    Bill of Rights
    Amendment 1
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
    Amendment 2
    A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

    You say gun control doesn’t work? Fine. Let’s ban guns altogether. http://fw.to/q3NgAlk LA Times May 28, 2014

  • Torcer

    “When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together
    in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal
    system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it.”
    Frederic Bastiat

    You say gun control doesn’t work? Fine. Let’s ban guns altogether. http://fw.to/q3NgAlk LA Times May 28, 2014

  • Torcer

    “If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull. W. C. Fields”

    You say gun control doesn’t work? Fine. Let’s ban guns altogether. http://fw.to/q3NgAlk LA Times May 28, 2014

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    “Collectivism doesn’t work because it’s based on a faulty economic
    premise. There is no such thing as a person’s “fair share” of wealth.
    The gross national product is not a pizza that must be carefully divided
    because if I get too many slices, you have to eat the box. The economy
    is expandable and, in any practical sense, limitless.” – P.J. O’Rourke

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    “Collectivism doesn’t work because it’s based on a faulty economic
    premise. There is no such thing as a person’s “fair share” of wealth.
    The gross national product is not a pizza that must be carefully divided
    because if I get too many slices, you have to eat the box. The economy
    is expandable and, in any practical sense, limitless.” – P.J. O’Rourke

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    We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever
    spent before and it does not work … After eight years of this
    Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started …
    And an enormous debt to boot!

    Henry Morgenthau, Treasury Secretary under FDR.

    “We know that other countries, in response to one mass shooting, have been able to craft laws that almost eliminate mass shootings. Friends of ours, allies of ours — Great Britain, Australia, countries like ours. So we know there are ways to prevent it.” Obama October 01, 2015

  • Torcer

    We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever
    spent before and it does not work … After eight years of this
    Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started …
    And an enormous debt to boot!

    Henry Morgenthau, Treasury Secretary under FDR.

    “We know that other countries, in response to one mass shooting, have been able to craft laws that almost eliminate mass shootings. Friends of ours, allies of ours — Great Britain, Australia, countries like ours. So we know there are ways to prevent it.” Obama October 01, 2015

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    “And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress
    to infringe the just liberty of the Press, or the rights of Conscience;
    or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable
    citizens, from keeping their own arms; …” – Samuel Adams, Philadelphia
    Independent Gazetteer, August 20, 1789, “Propositions submitted to the
    Convention of this State”

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    I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. – Evelyn Beatrice Hall

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    “And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress
    to infringe the just liberty of the Press, or the rights of Conscience;
    or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable
    citizens, from keeping their own arms; …” – Samuel Adams, Philadelphia
    Independent Gazetteer, August 20, 1789, “Propositions submitted to the
    Convention of this State”

    “We know that other countries, in response to one mass shooting, have been able to craft laws that almost eliminate mass shootings. Friends of ours, allies of ours — Great Britain, Australia, countries like ours. So we know there are ways to prevent it.” Obama October 01, 2015

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    I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. – Evelyn Beatrice Hall

    “We know that other countries, in response to one mass shooting, have been able to craft laws that almost eliminate mass shootings. Friends of ours, allies of ours — Great Britain, Australia, countries like ours. So we know there are ways to prevent it.” Obama October 01, 2015

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    “Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over
    the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate
    governments, to which the people are attached and by which the militia
    officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of
    ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any
    form can admit of.” – James Madison, Federalist No. 46, 1788

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    Senator Hubert H. Humphrey,
    Comm.: Foreign Relations Minnesota
    Certainly one of the chief guarantees of freedom under any government, no matter how popular and respected, is the rights of citizens to keep and bear arms. This is not to say that firearms should not be very carefully used, and that definite safety rules of precaution should not be taught and enforced. But the right of citizens to bear arms is just one more guarantee against arbitrary government, one more safeguard against a tyranny which now appears remote in America, but which historically has proved to be always possible.

    Effective Gun Control – A National Semi-Auto Ban
    Monday Oct 05, 2015 Dailykos http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/10/5/1427845/-Effective-Gun-Control-A-National-Semi-Auto-Ban

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    “Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over
    the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate
    governments, to which the people are attached and by which the militia
    officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of
    ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any
    form can admit of.” – James Madison, Federalist No. 46, 1788

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    Senator Hubert H. Humphrey,
    Comm.: Foreign Relations Minnesota
    Certainly one of the chief guarantees of freedom under any government, no matter how popular and respected, is the rights of citizens to keep and bear arms. This is not to say that firearms should not be very carefully used, and that definite safety rules of precaution should not be taught and enforced. But the right of citizens to bear arms is just one more guarantee against arbitrary government, one more safeguard against a tyranny which now appears remote in America, but which historically has proved to be always possible.

    Effective Gun Control – A National Semi-Auto Ban
    Monday Oct 05, 2015 Dailykos http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/10/5/1427845/-Effective-Gun-Control-A-National-Semi-Auto-Ban

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    A jury consists of twelve persons chosen to decide who has the better lawyer. – Robert Frost

    Effective Gun Control – A National Semi-Auto Ban
    Monday Oct 05, 2015 Dailykos http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/10/5/1427845/-Effective-Gun-Control-A-National-Semi-Auto-Ban

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    “You cannot have a proud and chivalrous spirit if your conduct is mean
    and paltry; for whatever a man’s actions are, such must be his spirit.”
    Demosthenes, Third Olynthiac

    Effective Gun Control – A National Semi-Auto Ban
    Monday Oct 05, 2015 Dailykos http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/10/5/1427845/-Effective-Gun-Control-A-National-Semi-Auto-Ban

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    A jury consists of twelve persons chosen to decide who has the better lawyer. – Robert Frost

    Effective Gun Control – A National Semi-Auto Ban
    Monday Oct 05, 2015 Dailykos http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/10/5/1427845/-Effective-Gun-Control-A-National-Semi-Auto-Ban

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    “You cannot have a proud and chivalrous spirit if your conduct is mean
    and paltry; for whatever a man’s actions are, such must be his spirit.”
    Demosthenes, Third Olynthiac

    Effective Gun Control – A National Semi-Auto Ban
    Monday Oct 05, 2015 Dailykos http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/10/5/1427845/-Effective-Gun-Control-A-National-Semi-Auto-Ban

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    Arms in the hands of citizens (may) be used at individual discretion…in private self defense… – John Adams

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    Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys. – P.J. O’Rourke

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    What this country needs is more unemployed politicians. – Edward Langley

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    Arms in the hands of citizens (may) be used at individual discretion…in private self defense… – John Adams

    Effective Gun Control – A National Semi-Auto Ban
    Monday Oct 05, 2015 Dailykos http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/10/5/1427845/-Effective-Gun-Control-A-National-Semi-Auto-Ban

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    Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys. – P.J. O’Rourke

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    What this country needs is more unemployed politicians. – Edward Langley

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    All political power comes from the barrel of a gun. The communist party must command all the guns, that way, no guns can ever be used to command the party. Mao Zedung

    “In the Australian example, as I recall, that was a buyback program.”…..“I think it would be worth considering doing it on the national level” Hillary Clinton October 16 2015
    http://www.c-span.org/video/?328774-1/hillary-clinton-town-hall-meeting-keene-new-hampshire&start=2831

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    “The Founding Fathers knew a government can’t control the economy
    without controlling people. And they knew when a government sets out to
    do that, it must use force and coercion to achieve its purpose.“
    Ronald Reagan

    “In the Australian example, as I recall, that was a buyback program.”…..“I think it would be worth considering doing it on the national level” Hillary Clinton October 16 2015
    http://www.c-span.org/video/?328774-1/hillary-clinton-town-hall-meeting-keene-new-hampshire&start=2831

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    Brevity is the soul of wit.
    William Shakespeare

    “In the Australian example, as I recall, that was a buyback program.”…..“I think it would be worth considering doing it on the national level” Hillary Clinton October 16 2015
    http://www.c-span.org/video/?328774-1/hillary-clinton-town-hall-meeting-keene-new-hampshire&start=2831

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    “If the policy of the government upon vital questions affecting the
    whole people is to be irrevocably fixed by decisions of the Supreme
    Court,” wrote Abraham Lincoln, “the people will have ceased to be their
    own rulers.”

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    All political power comes from the barrel of a gun. The communist party must command all the guns, that way, no guns can ever be used to command the party. Mao Zedung

    “In the Australian example, as I recall, that was a buyback program.”…..“I think it would be worth considering doing it on the national level” Hillary Clinton October 16 2015
    http://www.c-span.org/video/?328774-1/hillary-clinton-town-hall-meeting-keene-new-hampshire&start=2831

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    “The Founding Fathers knew a government can’t control the economy
    without controlling people. And they knew when a government sets out to
    do that, it must use force and coercion to achieve its purpose.“
    Ronald Reagan

    “In the Australian example, as I recall, that was a buyback program.”…..“I think it would be worth considering doing it on the national level” Hillary Clinton October 16 2015
    http://www.c-span.org/video/?328774-1/hillary-clinton-town-hall-meeting-keene-new-hampshire&start=2831

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    Brevity is the soul of wit.
    William Shakespeare

    “In the Australian example, as I recall, that was a buyback program.”…..“I think it would be worth considering doing it on the national level” Hillary Clinton October 16 2015
    http://www.c-span.org/video/?328774-1/hillary-clinton-town-hall-meeting-keene-new-hampshire&start=2831

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    “If the policy of the government upon vital questions affecting the
    whole people is to be irrevocably fixed by decisions of the Supreme
    Court,” wrote Abraham Lincoln, “the people will have ceased to be their
    own rulers.”

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    “Wherever there is a jackboot stomping on a human face there will be a
    well-heeled Western liberal to explain that the face does, after all,
    enjoy free health care and 100 percent literacy.” John Derbyshire

    A gun-free societyThe Washington Post October 2015 http://wapo.st/1LrJxz3

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    “In questions of power then, let no more be heard of confidence in man,
    but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution,”
    -Thomas Jefferson.

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    “Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the
    gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.”
    Winston Churchill

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    “Wherever there is a jackboot stomping on a human face there will be a
    well-heeled Western liberal to explain that the face does, after all,
    enjoy free health care and 100 percent literacy.” John Derbyshire

    A gun-free societyThe Washington Post October 2015 http://wapo.st/1LrJxz3

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    “In questions of power then, let no more be heard of confidence in man,
    but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution,”
    -Thomas Jefferson.

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    “Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the
    gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.”
    Winston Churchill

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    Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. – Robert Heinlein

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    The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money.

    Alexis de Tocqueville

    Yes, They Want to Take Your Guns Away The Daily Beast November 2015 http://thebea.st/1HmJOfM

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    Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. – Robert Heinlein

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    The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money.

    Alexis de Tocqueville

    Yes, They Want to Take Your Guns Away The Daily Beast November 2015 http://thebea.st/1HmJOfM

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    “Inside Every Liberal Is A Totalitarian Screaming to Get Out.”

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    Never waste a good crisis Hillary Clinton

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    Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas.
    Joseph Stalin

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    Liberal NJ Senators Discuss Legal Gun Confiscation on Eve of Votes
    http://cnjpolitics.com/?p=503
    Our friends at the Association of New Jersey Rifle and Pistol Clubs sent out an e-mail alert earlier today that leaves no doubt that the liberal New Jersey State Senate wants to confiscate all legally owned firearms in New Jersey.

    After yesterday’s Senate Budget Committee hearing, an open microphone caught several Senators openly discussing their contempt for gun owners, and their wish to confiscate your firearms, legally owned or not. (Audio links below)

    This blatant contempt for the 2nd Amendment by our elected officials should outrage all law abiding citizens. If they feel this way about guns and the 2nd Amendment, what will they want to do away with next?

    No One Wants to Ban or Confiscate Guns huh? These Quotes from Anti Gun Leaders Say Otherwise
    http://gunssavelives.net/blog/gun-laws/no-one-wants-to-ban-or-confiscate-guns-huh-these-quotes-from-anti-gun-leaders-say-otherwise/

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    Schumer Promises Universal Background Checks Won’t Create A Gun Registry… Then Calls It “Universal Registration”…
    http://weaselzippers.us/2013/02/25/schumer-promises-universal-background-checks-wont-create-a-gun-registry-then-calls-it-universal-registration/

    NRA Stand and Fight: Universal Registration
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=hKq3967hUgU

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    Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas.
    Joseph Stalin

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    A lie told often enough becomes the truth. Lenin

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    A lie told often enough becomes the truth. Lenin

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    The possession of arms is the distinction between a freeman and a slave. – James Burgh, 1774

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    “Firearms: The gateway drug to liberty.”

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    A sword never kills anybody; it is a tool in the killer’s hand. – Lucius Annaeus Seneca

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    The possession of arms is the distinction between a freeman and a slave. – James Burgh, 1774

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    “Firearms: The gateway drug to liberty.”

    “Confiscation could be an option”
    http://hotair.com/archives/2012/12/22/confiscation-could-be-an-option/

    Mr. Cuomo, speaking on WGDJ-AM, said: “Confiscation could be an option.”
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/21/nyregion/cuomo-says-he-will-outline-gun-measures-next-month.html?_r=1&

    Muhlbauer: Ban, seize semi-auto weapons
    The Democratic legislator hopes gun owners will surrender the weapons
    http://carrollspaper.com/main.asp?SectionID=1&SubSectionID=1&ArticleID=14934&TM=35600.75
    State Rep. Dan Muhlbauer, D-Manilla, says Iowa lawmakers should ban semi-automatic guns and “start taking them” from owners.

    MSNBC’s Ed Schultz Talks Gun ‘Confiscation’
    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/dan-gainor/2012/12/16/msnbc-s-ed-schultz-talks-gun-confiscation
    Schultz “it’s the confiscation of these types of weapons that counts and will have an impact.”

    …….

    House Dem: ‘Turn in your guns’
    http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/273753-house-dem-calls-on-people-to-turn-in-your-guns

    Dianne Feinstein: “If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States, for an outright ban, picking up [every gun]… Mr. and Mrs. America, turn ‘em all in.”

    Diane Feinstein on Gun Control “Turn ‘Em All In!”
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-b45FdDN3s&feature=player_detailpage
    Published on Jan 18, 2013

    Ending gun violence requires commitment, not all of it voluntary
    “Assault weapons” are defined as “whatever politicians say they are.” The guns that are banned and the ones that aren’t are functionally identical. They’re all semi-automatics.

    Semi-automatics shoot one bullet per trigger pull — that’s the definition. Any handgun manufactured since the Civil War is a “semi-automatic.” The most basic self-defense revolver for women is a “semi-automatic.” An example of a gun that is not a semi-automatic is a musket.

    An automatic firearm — what militaries and drug cartels have — continuously fires when the trigger is pulled. They have been subject to a near-total federal ban in this country since the 1930s, so they’re irrelevant to the discussion. http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2013-01-23.html

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    A sword never kills anybody; it is a tool in the killer’s hand. – Lucius Annaeus Seneca

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    A woman who demands further gun control legislation is like a chicken who roots for Colonel Sanders. – Larry Elder

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    “Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest. ” Mohandas Gandhi

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    A woman who demands further gun control legislation is like a chicken who roots for Colonel Sanders. – Larry Elder

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    Don’t just get rid of flag, get rid of the gun, too June 25, 2015
    http://www.sun-sentinel.com/opinion/columnists/fl-jvcol-oped0626-20150625-column.html
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    Don’t just get rid of flag, get rid of the gun, too
    June 25, 2015
    A 21-year-old indicted on a drug charge buys a gun and uses it to kill nine people in a church massacre in South Carolina.
    [..]
    New reports indicate Dylann Roof bought his Glock in April from a West Columbia, S.C., shop called Shooter’s Choice. The purchase was legal even though he was under indictment for possession of Suboxone, a drug used in the treatment of heroin addiction.

    It was only a misdemeanor rap, and it was only a charge, not a conviction. But we should not be selling guns to people facing drug charges of any kind. That simply would be a common sense precaution.

    But the NRA has defeated common sense precautions, aided by spineless politicians and people of the sort who claimed the Confederate flag is just “heritage.” Similar cowardice and ignorance have prevailed over common-sense enhancements to background checks and common-sense limits to the number and power of weapons and ammunition that can be purchased.
    http://www.sun-sentinel.com/opinion/columnists/fl-jvcol-oped0626-20150625-column.html


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    Don’t just get rid of flag, get rid of the gun, too
    June 25, 2015
    A 21-year-old indicted on a drug charge buys a gun and uses it to kill nine people in a church massacre in South Carolina.

    And what do the nation’s politicians do? Agree to stop waving the Confederate battle flag.

    So now I have one more reason to hate that flag. It is giving those politicians an easy out. They should be talking about new regulations on guns and the purchase of guns. They should be retreating from their years of pandering to the National Rifle Association. Instead, they get to appear responsible simply by retreating from the racists who for decades have been allowed to hide behind a ridiculous veneer of “history” in their defense of racist symbols like the flag.

    New reports indicate Dylann Roof bought his Glock in April from a West Columbia, S.C., shop called Shooter’s Choice. The purchase was legal even though he was under indictment for possession of Suboxone, a drug used in the treatment of heroin addiction.

    It was only a misdemeanor rap, and it was only a charge, not a conviction. But we should not be selling guns to people facing drug charges of any kind. That simply would be a common sense precaution.

    But the NRA has defeated common sense precautions, aided by spineless politicians and people of the sort who claimed the Confederate flag is just “heritage.” Similar cowardice and ignorance have prevailed over common-sense enhancements to background checks and common-sense limits to the number and power of weapons and ammunition that can be purchased.
    [..]
    While the loss of government approval for the Confederate flag represents progress, it is a belated echo of yesterday’s courageous actions. Individuals still will be free to display and mischaracterize their fetishized flag — and they certainly will. Banning the flag does not embody the political courage that the Charleston shooting cries out for, the courage to use federal and state governments to impose restrictions that help to keep guns out of the hands of people who are a danger to themselves and others.

    And on and on. The Charleston church shooting won’t do it, either. Instead, politicians will hide behind the flag. But when Dylann Roof shot all those people he wasn’t waving a flag. He was waving a gun.

    Jac Wilder VerSteeg has covered regional, state and local issues for three decades. Contact him at jwvcolumn@gmail.com.

    http://www.sun-sentinel.com/opinion/columnists/fl-jvcol-oped0626-20150625-column.html


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    Don’t just get rid of flag, get rid of the gun, too
    June 25, 2015
    A 21-year-old indicted on a drug charge buys a gun and uses it to kill nine people in a church massacre in South Carolina.

    And what do the nation’s politicians do? Agree to stop waving the Confederate battle flag.

    So now I have one more reason to hate that flag. It is giving those politicians an easy out. They should be talking about new regulations on guns and the purchase of guns. They should be retreating from their years of pandering to the National Rifle Association. Instead, they get to appear responsible simply by retreating from the racists who for decades have been allowed to hide behind a ridiculous veneer of “history” in their defense of racist symbols like the flag.

    New reports indicate Dylann Roof bought his Glock in April from a West Columbia, S.C., shop called Shooter’s Choice. The purchase was legal even though he was under indictment for possession of Suboxone, a drug used in the treatment of heroin addiction.

    It was only a misdemeanor rap, and it was only a charge, not a conviction. But we should not be selling guns to people facing drug charges of any kind. That simply would be a common sense precaution.

    But the NRA has defeated common sense precautions, aided by spineless politicians and people of the sort who claimed the Confederate flag is just “heritage.” Similar cowardice and ignorance have prevailed over common-sense enhancements to background checks and common-sense limits to the number and power of weapons and ammunition that can be purchased.

    Let’s talk about the Confederate flag for a minute. I grew up in the South during the 1960s, and like the majority of my friends, was a good little racist. I went to legally segregated schools until my sophomore year in high school. I belonged to a Boy Scout troop whose leaders laughed when we staged mock Klan rallies on camping trips. We wholeheartedly embraced the Confederate flag, waving it and sewing Confederate flag patches onto our uniforms.

    I also owned a gun — it was just a .22 rifle — and my friends and I used to joke about shooting … well, we used a word that President Barack Obama just used but that I still am not willing to write.

    I engaged in terrible behavior and held despicable attitudes — but those were common in that time and place. Then, courageous politicians and jurists decreed that things would change. My school was integrated, and school and community leaders helped to lead me and others on the slow and difficult path to enlightenment — which sounds grandiose but is precisely what was happening.

    Now, all these years later, enlightenment finally is catching up with politicians finally willing to ban a racist symbol that should have lost all official government support decades ago. Give Jeb Bush — who is my age — kudos for banishing it from the Florida Capitol grounds in 2001. Fault Marco Rubio for hiding behind the “let South Carolinians decide” dodge.

    While the loss of government approval for the Confederate flag represents progress, it is a belated echo of yesterday’s courageous actions. Individuals still will be free to display and mischaracterize their fetishized flag — and they certainly will. Banning the flag does not embody the political courage that the Charleston shooting cries out for, the courage to use federal and state governments to impose restrictions that help to keep guns out of the hands of people who are a danger to themselves and others.

    The assassination attempt in Tucson of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords in January 2011 didn’t do it — six people were killed and 13 others injured in the attack.

    The Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre in December 2012 didn’t do it. The deaths of 20 children and six staff members at the Connecticut school weren’t enough. Two years later, there already had been nearly 100 more school shootings. Still, politicians have been afraid to act.

    The Aurora, Colo., movie theater shooting that killed 12 people and injured 70 in July 2012 didn’t do it.

    And on and on. The Charleston church shooting won’t do it, either. Instead, politicians will hide behind the flag. But when Dylann Roof shot all those people he wasn’t waving a flag. He was waving a gun.

    Jac Wilder VerSteeg has covered regional, state and local issues for three decades. Contact him at jwvcolumn@gmail.com.

    http://www.sun-sentinel.com/opinion/columnists/fl-jvcol-oped0626-20150625-column.html

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    Character is destiny. – Heraclitus

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    Character is destiny. – Heraclitus

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    I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty, than those attending too small a degree of it. -Thomas Jefferson

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    “There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle.” – Albert Einstein

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    From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.
    Karl Marx

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    The possession of arms is the distinction between a freeman and a slave. – James Burgh, 1774

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    There is no such dichotomy as “human rights” versus “property rights.”
    No human rights can exist without property rights. – Ayn Rand

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    Bernie Sanders Calls for Sweeping Gun Ban That Would Outlaw All Self-Defense Firearms
    http://truthinmedia.com/bernie-sanders-calls-for-sweeping-gun-ban-that-would-outlaw-all-self-defense-firearms/
    Jul 28, 2015
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    Bernie Sanders Calls for Sweeping Gun Ban That Would Outlaw All Self-Defense Firearms

    On Sunday’s episode of NBC’s Meet the Press, 2016 Democratic presidential candidate and U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders told Chuck Todd that guns designed primarily to kill people, rather than to hunt animals, should be banned nationwide.
    Jul 28, 2015
    Senator Bernie Sanders, who represents vehemently pro-gun Vermont, has built a fairly firearms friendly voting record during his time in the U.S. Senate. After he recently emerged as the 2016 presidential race’s standard-bearer for the Democratic Party’s progressive wing, progressive politicos who oppose gun rights began to complain about Sanders’ record on guns. In an apparent primary-season about-face on Sunday’s episode of NBC’s Meet the Press, Sanders radically adjusted his position on guns and advocated for a sweeping gun ban that would outlaw most firearms designed for home and self defense.

    In the above-embedded clip from Meet the Press, which is featured on Bernie Sanders’ YouTube channel, he said, “Nobody should have a gun who has a criminal background, who’s involved in domestic abuse situations. People should not have guns who are going to hurt other people, who are unstable. And second of all I believe that we need to make sure that certain types of guns used to kill people, exclusively, not for hunting, they should not be sold in the United States of America, and we have a huge loophole now with gun shows that should be eliminated.”

    While most of the positions that he advocated for on guns on Meet the Press fall within the mainstream of the Democratic Party, Media Research Center points out the fact that calling for a ban on all firearms “used to kill people” and “not for hunting” implies a ban on all weapons that are impractical for hunting but used primarily for self defense, including handguns, shotguns, and specific classes of rifles.
    http://truthinmedia.com/bernie-sanders-calls-for-sweeping-gun-ban-that-would-outlaw-all-self-defense-firearms/


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    Bernie Sanders Calls for Sweeping Gun Ban That Would Outlaw All Self-Defense Firearms

    On Sunday’s episode of NBC’s Meet the Press, 2016 Democratic presidential candidate and U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders told Chuck Todd that guns designed primarily to kill people, rather than to hunt animals, should be banned nationwide.
    Jul 28, 2015
    Senator Bernie Sanders, who represents vehemently pro-gun Vermont, has built a fairly firearms friendly voting record during his time in the U.S. Senate. After he recently emerged as the 2016 presidential race’s standard-bearer for the Democratic Party’s progressive wing, progressive politicos who oppose gun rights began to complain about Sanders’ record on guns. In an apparent primary-season about-face on Sunday’s episode of NBC’s Meet the Press, Sanders radically adjusted his position on guns and advocated for a sweeping gun ban that would outlaw most firearms designed for home and self defense.

    In the above-embedded clip from Meet the Press, which is featured on Bernie Sanders’ YouTube channel, he said, “Nobody should have a gun who has a criminal background, who’s involved in domestic abuse situations. People should not have guns who are going to hurt other people, who are unstable. And second of all I believe that we need to make sure that certain types of guns used to kill people, exclusively, not for hunting, they should not be sold in the United States of America, and we have a huge loophole now with gun shows that should be eliminated.”

    While most of the positions that he advocated for on guns on Meet the Press fall within the mainstream of the Democratic Party, Media Research Center points out the fact that calling for a ban on all firearms “used to kill people” and “not for hunting” implies a ban on all weapons that are impractical for hunting but used primarily for self defense, including handguns, shotguns, and specific classes of rifles.

    “Coming from a rural state, I think I can communicate with folks coming from urban states where guns mean different things than they do in Vermont where it’s used for hunting,” said Sanders, clarifying that he would continue to defend his home state’s hunting tradition but would oppose gun rights for people living in an urban area.

    The Washington Post notes that the previously pro-gun Sanders won his first House seat with the help of an endorsement from the National Rifle Association.

    In a May op-ed criticizing Sanders’ votes in favor of gun rights, Slate’s Mark Joseph Stern wrote, “Sanders, an economic populist and middle-class pugilist, doesn’t talk much about guns on the campaign trail. But his voting record paints the picture of a legislator who is both skeptical of gun control and invested in the interests of gun owners—and manufacturers. In 1993, then-Rep. Sanders voted against the Brady Act, which mandated federal background checks for gun purchasers and restricted felons’ access to firearms. As a senator, Sanders supported bills to allow firearms in checked bags on Amtrak trains and block funding to any foreign aid organization that registered or taxed Americans’ guns. Sanders is dubious that gun control could help prevent gun violence, telling one interviewer after Sandy Hook that ‘if you passed the strongest gun control legislation tomorrow, I don’t think it will have a profound effect on the tragedies we have seen.’”
    http://truthinmedia.com/bernie-sanders-calls-for-sweeping-gun-ban-that-would-outlaw-all-self-defense-firearms/

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    “There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle.” – Albert Einstein

    “We know that other countries, in response to one mass shooting, have been able to craft laws that almost eliminate mass shootings. Friends of ours, allies of ours — Great Britain, Australia, countries like ours. So we know there are ways to prevent it.” Obama October 01, 2015

    “We know that other countries, in response to one mass shooting, have been able to craft laws that almost eliminate mass shootings. Friends of ours, allies of ours — Great Britain, Australia, countries like ours. So we know there are ways to prevent it.” – Obama October 01, 2015
    https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2015/10/01/statement-president-shootings-umpqua-community-college-roseburg-oregon

    Statement by the President on the Shootings at Umpqua Community College, Roseburg, Oregon
    October 01, 2015
    6:22 P.M. EDT
    THE PRESIDENT: There’s been another mass shooting in America — this time, in a community college in Oregon.
    […]
    We know that other countries, in response to one mass shooting, have been able to craft laws that almost eliminate mass shootings. Friends of ours, allies of ours — Great Britain, Australia, countries like ours. So we know there are ways to prevent it.
    https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2015/10/01/statement-president-shootings-umpqua-community-college-roseburg-oregon

  • Torcer

    From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.
    Karl Marx

    Molôn Labé! ‘Talk’ of Gun Confiscation reference
    It used to be that the gun grabbers desperately attempted to keep a thin veneer of plausible deniability on their ultimate goal of Confiscation. After all, you can’t very well sucker people into the government controlling their private property with Intergalactic Background Checks and registration if it’s known that those are but a pretext for confiscation later on.

    But now out of frustration at the lack of ‘progress’ in destroying out rights they have dropped the mask and are now calling for full on repeal of the second amendment, gun bans and outright confiscation. To be sure they still try to pretend this is not the case and hence the reason for this reference piece.

    The purpose here is to document the myriad times them have called for gun confiscation so that when they turn around and LIE about it, We have the FACTS to prove they are Lying.

    Such as in this case: Obama Mocks Gun Owners http://nation.foxnews.com/president-obama/2013/04/04/obama-mocks-gun-owners

    For example, Comrade Clinton recently called for the government to make people an offer they can’t refuse-turn over their means of self-defense in exchange for their own money OR spend some time in the pokey.

    In response to an inquiry about Australian gun confiscation, she responded that:
    “In the Australian example, as I recall, that was a buyback program….. I think it would be worth considering doing it on the national level” Hillary Clinton October 16 2015 http://www.c-span.org/video/?328774-1/hillary-clinton-town-hall-meeting-keene-new-hampshire

    And as typical, she has tried to deny the obvious, but the words and articles from her Comrades on the national Socialist left make it clear that Confiscation is their ultimate goal. Their subsequent lies on the subject are condemned by their own words.

    This will be a list of calls for repeal of the 2nd amendment, gun bans and Confiscation in more or less in chronological order, most will be links only to save space and restrictions.

    Examining the list you will see the trends over the past few years. It began with the left wanting the “Assault Weapon” scam and registration. Then it transitioned to advocacy for the repeal of the 2nd amendment and followed recently with outright calls for confiscation.

    Item one has a ‘moderate’ thrust with the ‘generous’ granting of the rights we free citizens have to possess a gun under their conditions (Isn’t that really nice of them?)

    Mar 24, 2012
    Yes conservatives, we want to take away your guns…
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/24/1077374/-Yes-conservatives-we-want-to-take-away-your-guns
    “I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States, for an outright ban, picking up [every gun]….Mr. and Mrs. America, turn “em all in.”
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-b45FdDN3s&feature=player_detailpage

    Then of course the Sandy Hook terrorist attack took place and things changed overnight. Consider the context of that time. Obama had just stolen a second term in office and the national Socialist left was all aglow in their supposed preeminence over the forces of Freedom and Liberty. Shortly thereafter that attack took place and the national Socialist Left took this on as a sign that their moment had arrived and that this ‘Horrific’ attack would be THE moment to finally vanquish the people’s common sense civil right to armed self-defense.

    December 2012
    MSNBC’s Ed Schultz Talks Gun Confiscation
    http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/dan-gainor/2012/12/16/msnbc-s-ed-schultz-talks-gun-confiscation

    Muhlbauer: Ban, seize semi-auto weapons
    http://carrollspaper.com/Content/Local-News-Archive/Local-News/Article/Muhlbauer-Ban-seize-semi-auto-weapons/1/1/14934

    House Dem: Turn in your guns
    http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/273753-house-dem-calls-on-people-to-turn-in-your-guns

    Mr. Cuomo, speaking on WGDJ-AM, said: “Confiscation could be an option.”
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/21/nyregion/cuomo-says-he-will-outline-gun-measures-next-month.html?_r=1&;

    In some cases the nation’s socialists went hog wild and indulged all their totalitarian fantasies:

    How to Ban Guns: A step by step, long term process
    The very first thing we need is national registry. We need to know where the guns are, and who has them.
    Along with this, make private sales illegal.

    We want to encourage as much voluntary compliance as possible.

    So, we get those logbooks, and cross reference the names and addresses with the new national registry.
    This exercise isn’t so much to track down every gun ever sold; the main idea would be to profile and investigate people that may not have registered their guns.
    I’m concerned that other guy who bought a half dozen assault weapons, registered two hunting rifles, and belongs to the NRA/GOA. He’s the guy who warrants a raid.

    So registration is the first step. Now that the vast majority are registered, we can do what we will.
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/12/21/1172661/-How-to-Ban-Guns-A-step-by-step-long-term-process

    Then the trend drifted over to one of repealing the 2nd amendment for awhile.

    January 2013
    Let’s Repeal the Second Amendment
    http://www.vanityfair.com/news/politics/2013/01/kurt-eichenwald-lets-repeal-second-amendment

    May 10, 2013
    “˜We needed a bill that was going to confiscate, confiscate, confiscate” The Star-Ledger http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2013/05/pro-gun_advocates_angry_over_n.html#incart_m-rpt-1

    April 30, 2014
    Common sense calls for repeal of Second Amendment
    http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/common-sense-calls-for-repeal-of-second-amendment/

    May 30, 2014
    It’s Time to Repeal the 2nd Amendment
    http://www.sanjoseinside.com/2014/05/30/rich-robinson-its-time-to-repeal-the-2nd-amendment/

    Then in the past year or so the talk verged more into the realm of outright Confiscation [or it’s innocuous sounding euphemisms: ban, Gun buyback, etc.]

    Such as the case with Obama on June 10, 2014
    “A couple of decades ago, Australia had a mass shooting similar to Columbine or Newtown. And Australia just said, well, that’s it – we’re not seeing that again. And basically imposed very severe, tough gun laws.”
    https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/06/10/remarks-president-qa-david-karp-ceo-tumblr

    Secondary source: OBAMA ENDORSES AUSTRALIAN-STYLE GUN CONFISCATION
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKSvxz5LHHw

    Then again recently on October 01, 2015

    “We know that other countries, in response to one mass shooting, have been able to craft laws that almost eliminate mass shootings. Friends of ours, allies of ours – Great Britain, Australia, countries like ours.”
    https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2015/10/01/statement-president-shootings-umpqua-community-college-roseburg-oregon

    Secondary source: 15-0711 Obama Endorses Gun Confiscation
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxW6oCqEHaU

    April 30, 2014
    Common sense calls for repeal of Second Amendment
    http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/common-sense-calls-for-repeal-of-second-amendment/

    May 30, 2014
    It’s Time to Repeal the 2nd Amendment
    http://www.sanjoseinside.com/2014/05/30/rich-robinson-its-time-to-repeal-the-2nd-amendment/

    December 2014
    Time is overdue to repeal the Second Amendment
    http://www.wisconsingazette.com/opinion/time-is-overdue-to-repeal-the-second-amendmentr.html

    Then something seems to have snapped in the ‘collective’ conscience of the national socialist left and they let their mask fall completely off issuing myriad calls for Confiscation [With a cute little ‘carve-out for hunting weapons’ here and there]

    May 28, 2014
    You say gun control doesn’t work? Fine. Let’s ban guns LA Times
    http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-gun-control-ban-homicides-suicides-20140528-story.html

    January 7, 2015
    Stop the insanity: Ban guns
    http://www.tallahassee.com/story/opinion/columnists/ensley/2014/11/22/stop-insanity-ban-guns/19426029/

    July 2015
    Socialist Bernie Sanders Wants To Ban All Self-Defense Firearms
    http://bearingarms.com/socialist-bernie-sanders-wants-ban-self-defense-firearms/

    October 2015
    Obama Praises Australia’s Gun Confiscation
    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/380033/obama-praises-australias-gun-confiscation-charles-c-w-cooke

    Thinking Beyond the Moment Talking Points Memo
    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/thinking-beyond-the-moment

    And here we have another case of the indulging in their most lurid of statist fantasies:
    Effective Gun Control – A National Semi-Auto Ban
    Act I Step 1:
    The POTUS issues a EO, commanding the BATFE to ‘audit dealer records’- ie, look for “strawman sales” by reviewing each of the dealers Form 4473 records.
    So, now we have ALL the records scanned… and a comprehensive list of who purchased what gun where.
    Act II Step 1:
    Strike a deal with the Republicans. For public consumption, word it as ambiguously as possible… as was the ACA (just pass it and we’ll find out what’s in it) and stuff it into the next Continuing Resolution.
    Step 2: Federalize (“second”) the National Guard of the respective states.
    Step 3: Go door-to-door with your list of gun purchasers, and get access to the guns.
    No gun? Where is it? Who has it? Where’s the paperwork? No gun, no paperwork?
    Sadly, it appears the nationwide cell phone network is down, unless you’re using a government contract cell phone. Yes, surprise is key.
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/10/5/1427845/-Effective-Gun-Control-A-National-Semi-Auto-Ban

    [Mentioned earlier]
    Clinton Praises Australian Gun Buyback Program http://freebeacon.com/issues/clinton-australian-style-gun-control-worth-considering-for-u-s/

    A gun-free society The Washington Post
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/a-gun-free-society/2015/10/04/6da29040-69c4-11e5-9ef3-fde182507eac_story.html

    November 2015
    Yes, They Want to Take Your Guns Away The Daily Beast
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/02/yes-they-want-to-take-your-guns-away.html

    Hillary Clinton Commits To Making 2016 a Referendum On Gun Confiscation
    http://bearingarms.com/hillary-clinton-commits-making-2016-referendum-gun-confiscation/

    December 2015
    The Second Amendment must go: We ban lawn darts. It’s time to ban guns Salon
    http://www.salon.com/2015/12/04/the_second_amendment_must_go_we_ban_lawn_darts_its_time_to_ban_guns/

    We don’t need gun control. We need domestic disarmament Huffingtonpost
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/amitai-etzioni/needed-domestic-disarmame_b_8739712.html

    declare these arms contraband and confiscate them Rolling Stone
    [The assault weapons ban the NRA couldn’t stop]
    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-assault-weapons-ban-the-nra-couldnt-stop-20151209?

    End the Gun Epidemic in America The New York Times [First Front Page Editorial In 95 Years]
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/05/opinion/end-the-gun-epidemic-in-america.html

    Secondary source:http://a.msn.com/01/en-us/AAg2dhB?

    It’s Time to Ban Guns. Yes, All of Them New Republic
    https://newrepublic.com/article/125498/its-time-ban-guns-yes-them

    January 2016
    Bernie Sanders backs Obama on gun control
    http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2016/01/03/sotu-sanders-backs-obama-on-gun-control.cnn

    Bernie Sanders backs Obama on gun controlhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWFHoghhIaw

    Melissa Harris-Perry Confiscate Legal Guns
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7bSDUIbL9U

    So when anyone of the national Socialist Left tries to claim that ‘No one is talking Confiscation’ show them this list.
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3379859/posts

  • Torcer

    The possession of arms is the distinction between a freeman and a slave. – James Burgh, 1774

    Obama praises China's gun confiscation. Saying that while 8 children died in a knife attack in China, least most of them survived.— Weasel Zippers (@weaselzippers) January 5, 2016

  • Torcer

    There is no such dichotomy as “human rights” versus “property rights.”
    No human rights can exist without property rights. – Ayn Rand

  • Torcer

    A lie told often enough becomes the truth. Lenin

  • Torcer

    President Obama Isn’t Taking People’s Guns—But Maybe He Should (D-luisinal)
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3380881/posts
    ……………………
    January 7 2016
    President Obama Isn’t Taking People’s Guns—But Maybe He Should The Daily Beast

    President Obama Isn’t Taking People’s Guns—But Maybe He Should http://thebea.st/1VLbYcl via @thedailybeast
    ……………………………………..
    WHOSE RIGHTS?01.07.1612:01 AM ET
    Barrett Holmes Pitner
    ………………………………

    President Obama Isn’t Taking People’s Guns—But Maybe He Should
    The Daily Beast 01.07.16
    As President Obama forges a lone path toward gun regulation, we must wonder how we as a society have arrived to a point…
    …..Obama is not going to take away America’s guns. I would argue that he should,
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/01/07/president-obama-isn-t-taking-people-s-guns-but-maybe-he-should.html

    ………………………………..

    President Obama Isn’t Taking People’s Guns—But Maybe He Should
    The Daily Beast 01.07.16
    [..]
    President Obama said a lot about guns in his teary press conference Tuesday, but the one thing that he is not saying, despite all the howling from the right, is that he intends to take away Americans’ guns. Yet equally significant is the realization that individual citizens are unwilling to free themselves of the destructive weapons that are wreaking havoc on our society. Numerous Americans care more about their individual freedoms than our collective freedoms, and they are unable to see how these individualistic desires undermine the essential fabric of a democracy.

    As President Obama forges a lone path toward gun regulation, we must wonder how we as a society have arrived to a point…
    [..]
    The Oath Keepers, formed in 2009, are one of the largest unregulated militia movements in the nation, and regularly you can find them injecting themselves unnecessarily into conflicts. In Ferguson, Missouri, following the death of Michael Brown, Oath Keepers arrived carrying semi-automatic rifles so that they could prevent looters from destroying property, and many of them said that they saw nothing wrong with taking the life of a looter to prevent the destruction of property. They also advocated that Ferguson residents obtain firearms so that they could protect themselves from the police.
    [..]
    Obama is not going to take away America’s guns. I would argue that he should, as countless Americans have displayed a gross misuse of the social responsibility that comes with gun ownership, except that using force to attempt to disarm people of their firearms might inevitably lead to more violence and bloodshed.
    [..]
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/01/07/president-obama-isn-t-taking-people-s-guns-but-maybe-he-should.html

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    President Obama Isn’t Taking People’s Guns—But Maybe He Should
    The Daily Beast 01.07.16
    [..]
    President Obama said a lot about guns in his teary press conference Tuesday, but the one thing that he is not saying, despite all the howling from the right, is that he intends to take away Americans’ guns. Yet equally significant is the realization that individual citizens are unwilling to free themselves of the destructive weapons that are wreaking havoc on our society. Numerous Americans care more about their individual freedoms than our collective freedoms, and they are unable to see how these individualistic desires undermine the essential fabric of a democracy.

    As President Obama forges a lone path toward gun regulation, we must wonder how we as a society have arrived to a point… where “A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed” has morphed into allowing individual citizens to possess firearms for their individual protection with little to no concern about the security of a free state.

    It is well documented that gun sales and gun-related deaths have increased since Obama came into office, but the Supreme Court’s 2008 decision in District of Columbia v. Heller (PDF), which opened the floodgates and redefined the Second Amendment, rarely receives mention.
    [..]
    Not surprisingly, countless Americans purchased more and more firearms to protect themselves from the “inevitable” moment when the government or “Obama” was going to forcefully take their guns away. Not surprisingly a byproduct of this new interpretation of the Second Amendment has been a rise in unregulated militias or American terrorist groups who challenge the authority of federal, state, and local governments.
    […]
    The Oath Keepers, formed in 2009, are one of the largest unregulated militia movements in the nation, and regularly you can find them injecting themselves unnecessarily into conflicts. In Ferguson, Missouri, following the death of Michael Brown, Oath Keepers arrived carrying semi-automatic rifles so that they could prevent looters from destroying property, and many of them said that they saw nothing wrong with taking the life of a looter to prevent the destruction of property. They also advocated that Ferguson residents obtain firearms so that they could protect themselves from the police.
    [..]
    Right now the Second Amendment is being applied in a way that takes away the rights of thousands of Americans each year. The president must address this crisis, and not only to ensure the safety and stability of the American citizens who are threatened by gun violence. He also must do it to preserve the ideals and institutions that govern our society that are being threatened by the archaic notions of stability from a racist and oppressive society and the unregulated militias of today that openly advocate armed conflict against the government.

    Obama is not going to take away America’s guns. I would argue that he should, as countless Americans have displayed a gross misuse of the social responsibility that comes with gun ownership, except that using force to attempt to disarm people of their firearms might inevitably lead to more violence and bloodshed.
    [..]
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/01/07/president-obama-isn-t-taking-people-s-guns-but-maybe-he-should.html

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    President Obama Isn’t Taking People’s Guns—But Maybe He Should
    The Daily Beast 01.07.16

    The president zoomed in on exactly the right point Tuesday: What about the rights of those killed by gun violence to live free from terror?

    President Obama said a lot about guns in his teary press conference Tuesday, but the one thing that he is not saying, despite all the howling from the right, is that he intends to take away Americans’ guns. Yet equally significant is the realization that individual citizens are unwilling to free themselves of the destructive weapons that are wreaking havoc on our society. Numerous Americans care more about their individual freedoms than our collective freedoms, and they are unable to see how these individualistic desires undermine the essential fabric of a democracy.

    This democratic fabric includes the Second Amendment, which has been contorted, misinterpreted, and applied in a way that destroys its intended meaning and threatens the safety and stability of our nation. And as the president pointed out on Tuesday, this grotesque emphasis on the Second Amendment impairs other Americans’ ability to freely exercise many of the other 26 amendments.

    As President Obama forges a lone path toward gun regulation, we must wonder how we as a society have arrived to a point where “A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed” has morphed into allowing individual citizens to possess firearms for their individual protection with little to no concern about the security of a free state.

    It is well documented that gun sales and gun-related deaths have increased since Obama came into office, but the Supreme Court’s 2008 decision in District of Columbia v. Heller (PDF), which opened the floodgates and redefined the Second Amendment, rarely receives mention.

    The court’s decision in the case went against 70 years of legal interpretations of the Second Amendment that stated in United States v. Miller that the “obvious purpose” of the Second Amendment was to “assure the continuation and render possible the effectiveness of” the state militia, and the Amendment “must be interpreted and applied with that end in view.”

    In Heller and then in McDonald v. City of Chicago, the Supreme Court in a pair of 5-4 decisions determined that federal, state, and local governments could not create restrictions that could prevent an individual the right to possess a firearm in the home for self-defense. The intent of the Second Amendment had shifted from allowing citizens to own firearms so that they could band together in an organized and regulated militia run by either local, state, or federal governments to allowing citizens to own guns for their own purposes so long as they fell under the individual’s definition of self-defense.

    Not surprisingly, countless Americans purchased more and more firearms to protect themselves from the “inevitable” moment when the government or “Obama” was going to forcefully take their guns away. Not surprisingly a byproduct of this new interpretation of the Second Amendment has been a rise in unregulated militias or American terrorist groups who challenge the authority of federal, state, and local governments. Ammon Bundy and his posse of men who call themselves the Citizens for Constitutional Freedom, who just this week forcefully took over a federal building in Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Oregon, are just one such iteration of this emboldened unregulated militia movement in America.

    The Oath Keepers, formed in 2009, are one of the largest unregulated militia movements in the nation, and regularly you can find them injecting themselves unnecessarily into conflicts. In Ferguson, Missouri, following the death of Michael Brown, Oath Keepers arrived carrying semi-automatic rifles so that they could prevent looters from destroying property, and many of them said that they saw nothing wrong with taking the life of a looter to prevent the destruction of property. They also advocated that Ferguson residents obtain firearms so that they could protect themselves from the police.

    Instability, terror, and death are the inevitable outcomes of a heavily armed citizenry, yet in the 1846 case Nunn v. State of Georgia, an integral case that the Supreme Court used in the Heller decision, the state of Georgia—my home state—argued that arming citizens and allowing them to openly carry firearms created a safer environment. And the referencing of this decision only continues the Supreme Court’s idyllic reimagining of America’s Southern states.

    Georgia in 1846 was a slave-holding state where African Americans were counted as three-fifths of a person and were not allowed the right to vote. Firearms at this time were regularly used to keep blacks in line and sustain the South’s racist, oppressive society. Additionally, duels were a regular occurrence in the South during this time period. In this volatile environment, carrying a firearm out in the open actually did bring about stability. The reason for this was that carrying a concealed weapon was illegal. Therefore, the assumption within society was that most white men owned or carried a gun, so being able to see everyone’s gun made it less likely that anyone would be killed by a surprise bullet. Additionally, guns could not be removed from the society because they were needed to oppress, intimidate, and terrorize blacks in the state.

    This was a society whose infrastructure and logic regarding social stability should no longer be applicable to modern society, yet in recent years it has been to disastrous effect. Democracy and valuing human life were not principles that were celebrated in the pre-Civil War South.

    But far from rejecting that old logic, we’ve embraced it, and the application of the South’s antithetical principles have brought instability, danger, and a disregard for human life to rest of the United States. Armed and dangerous and unregulated militias are on the rise, in addition to the numerous lone-wolf attacks that befall schools, offices, shopping centers, and public spaces at a disturbing frequency.

    Right now the Second Amendment is being applied in a way that takes away the rights of thousands of Americans each year. The president must address this crisis, and not only to ensure the safety and stability of the American citizens who are threatened by gun violence. He also must do it to preserve the ideals and institutions that govern our society that are being threatened by the archaic notions of stability from a racist and oppressive society and the unregulated militias of today that openly advocate armed conflict against the government.

    Obama is not going to take away America’s guns. I would argue that he should, as countless Americans have displayed a gross misuse of the social responsibility that comes with gun ownership, except that using force to attempt to disarm people of their firearms might inevitably lead to more violence and bloodshed.

    Gun owners should want to regulate and reduce their gun usage for the greater good, but our society is too consumed with the myopia of employing lethal force to resolve minor disputes that it cannot imagine an environment without widespread gun usage. And countless Americans are unable to see that their gun usage actually jeopardizes the very freedoms and liberties they have chosen to fight for and defend via the barrel of a gun.
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/01/07/president-obama-isn-t-taking-people-s-guns-but-maybe-he-should.html

    ………………..
    President Obama Isn’t Taking People’s Guns—But Maybe He Should
    The Daily Beast 01.07.16

    The president zoomed in on exactly the right point Tuesday: What about the rights of those killed by gun violence to live free from terror?

    President Obama said a lot about guns in his teary press conference Tuesday, but the one thing that he is not saying, despite all the howling from the right, is that he intends to take away Americans’ guns. Yet equally significant is the realization that individual citizens are unwilling to free themselves of the destructive weapons that are wreaking havoc on our society. Numerous Americans care more about their individual freedoms than our collective freedoms, and they are unable to see how these individualistic desires undermine the essential fabric of a democracy.

    This democratic fabric includes the Second Amendment, which has been contorted, misinterpreted, and applied in a way that destroys its intended meaning and threatens the safety and stability of our nation. And as the president pointed out on Tuesday, this grotesque emphasis on the Second Amendment impairs other Americans’ ability to freely exercise many of the other 26 amendments.

    As President Obama forges a lone path toward gun regulation, we must wonder how we as a society have arrived to a point where “A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed” has morphed into allowing individual citizens to possess firearms for their individual protection with little to no concern about the security of a free state.

    It is well documented that gun sales and gun-related deaths have increased since Obama came into office, but the Supreme Court’s 2008 decision in District of Columbia v. Heller (PDF), which opened the floodgates and redefined the Second Amendment, rarely receives mention.

    The court’s decision in the case went against 70 years of legal interpretations of the Second Amendment that stated in United States v. Miller that the “obvious purpose” of the Second Amendment was to “assure the continuation and render possible the effectiveness of” the state militia, and the Amendment “must be interpreted and applied with that end in view.”

    In Heller and then in McDonald v. City of Chicago, the Supreme Court in a pair of 5-4 decisions determined that federal, state, and local governments could not create restrictions that could prevent an individual the right to possess a firearm in the home for self-defense. The intent of the Second Amendment had shifted from allowing citizens to own firearms so that they could band together in an organized and regulated militia run by either local, state, or federal governments to allowing citizens to own guns for their own purposes so long as they fell under the individual’s definition of self-defense.

    Not surprisingly, countless Americans purchased more and more firearms to protect themselves from the “inevitable” moment when the government or “Obama” was going to forcefully take their guns away. Not surprisingly a byproduct of this new interpretation of the Second Amendment has been a rise in unregulated militias or American terrorist groups who challenge the authority of federal, state, and local governments. Ammon Bundy and his posse of men who call themselves the Citizens for Constitutional Freedom, who just this week forcefully took over a federal building in Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Oregon, are just one such iteration of this emboldened unregulated militia movement in America.

    The Oath Keepers, formed in 2009, are one of the largest unregulated militia movements in the nation, and regularly you can find them injecting themselves unnecessarily into conflicts. In Ferguson, Missouri, following the death of Michael Brown, Oath Keepers arrived carrying semi-automatic rifles so that they could prevent looters from destroying property, and many of them said that they saw nothing wrong with taking the life of a looter to prevent the destruction of property. They also advocated that Ferguson residents obtain firearms so that they could protect themselves from the police.

    Instability, terror, and death are the inevitable outcomes of a heavily armed citizenry, yet in the 1846 case Nunn v. State of Georgia, an integral case that the Supreme Court used in the Heller decision, the state of Georgia—my home state—argued that arming citizens and allowing them to openly carry firearms created a safer environment. And the referencing of this decision only continues the Supreme Court’s idyllic reimagining of America’s Southern states.

    Georgia in 1846 was a slave-holding state where African Americans were counted as three-fifths of a person and were not allowed the right to vote. Firearms at this time were regularly used to keep blacks in line and sustain the South’s racist, oppressive society. Additionally, duels were a regular occurrence in the South during this time period. In this volatile environment, carrying a firearm out in the open actually did bring about stability. The reason for this was that carrying a concealed weapon was illegal. Therefore, the assumption within society was that most white men owned or carried a gun, so being able to see everyone’s gun made it less likely that anyone would be killed by a surprise bullet. Additionally, guns could not be removed from the society because they were needed to oppress, intimidate, and terrorize blacks in the state.

    This was a society whose infrastructure and logic regarding social stability should no longer be applicable to modern society, yet in recent years it has been to disastrous effect. Democracy and valuing human life were not principles that were celebrated in the pre-Civil War South.

    But far from rejecting that old logic, we’ve embraced it, and the application of the South’s antithetical principles have brought instability, danger, and a disregard for human life to rest of the United States. Armed and dangerous and unregulated militias are on the rise, in addition to the numerous lone-wolf attacks that befall schools, offices, shopping centers, and public spaces at a disturbing frequency.

    Right now the Second Amendment is being applied in a way that takes away the rights of thousands of Americans each year. The president must address this crisis, and not only to ensure the safety and stability of the American citizens who are threatened by gun violence. He also must do it to preserve the ideals and institutions that govern our society that are being threatened by the archaic notions of stability from a racist and oppressive society and the unregulated militias of today that openly advocate armed conflict against the government.

    Obama is not going to take away America’s guns. I would argue that he should, as countless Americans have displayed a gross misuse of the social responsibility that comes with gun ownership, except that using force to attempt to disarm people of their firearms might inevitably lead to more violence and bloodshed.

    Gun owners should want to regulate and reduce their gun usage for the greater good, but our society is too consumed with the myopia of employing lethal force to resolve minor disputes that it cannot imagine an environment without widespread gun usage. And countless Americans are unable to see that their gun usage actually jeopardizes the very freedoms and liberties they have chosen to fight for and defend via the barrel of a gun.
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/01/07/president-obama-isn-t-taking-people-s-guns-but-maybe-he-should.html

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    CNN Anti Gun Op Ed Calls For MARTIAL LAW, Obama To Go Full Dictator http://disq.us/908td9

    CNN Anti Gun Op Ed Calls For MARTIAL LAW, Obama To Go Full Dictator
    Elliot Fineman, of the National Gun Victims Action Council, has penned an op ed on CNN.com calling for Obama to declare a “National State of Emergency for the Gun Violence Epidemic.”

    He says this needs to “include universal REAL backgrounds checks, suspending the gun industry’s immunity from lawsuits, monitoring ammunition sales and banning those on the terror watch list from buying guns.”

    Fineman goes on to say:

    It is clear why a National State of Emergency scares the gun lobby and pro-gun lawmakers — it would neutralize them.

    He also complains that the “gun lobby” has blocked “a computerized crime gun database at the ATF and a registry of gun owners so that we can identify people who have become unstable or radicalized since buying their guns”,that Obama’s recent executive orders “are largely symbolic because they won’t really solve the problem”, and says that “real background checks” would “include interviews with people who know the purchaser (family, neighbors, local police) and with the purchaser himself.”
    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/01/cnn-anti-gun-op-ed-calls-for-martial-law-obama-to-go-full-dictator/

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    A lie told often enough becomes the truth. Lenin

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    January 9, 2016

    I want Obama to take away your guns January 9, 2016 CNN

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    I want Obama to take away your guns January 9, 2016 CNN
    http://edition.cnn.com/2016/01/08/opinions/bell-obama-guns/index.html

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    I want Obama to take away your guns
    By W. Kamau Bell January 9, 2016 (CNN)…
    http://edition.cnn.com/2016/01/08/opinions/bell-obama-guns/index.html

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    I want Obama to take away your guns
    By W. Kamau Bell January 9, 2016
    (CNN)…
    We could use a President who was, like, “OK. Everybody turn in all your guns tomorrow by 5 p.m. After that, if I catch you with a gun then I’m sending SEAL Team Six to your house with a recent Facebook picture of you and those tanks that shoot fire that we haven’t used since Waco — Ummm — I mean since World War II.”
    [..]
    And let me be clear about something else, gun owners. I want President Obama to want to take your guns away. I don’t trust you with your guns. I don’t trust you to fire them safely. I don’t trust you to store them safely. I don’t trust your kids not to find them. I don’t trust you not to get them stolen.

    I don’t trust you not to issue a blanket blame of everyone with mental health issues every time there is a mass shooting, even though we all know that for the most part people with mental health issues are only dangerous to a pint of Ben & Jerry’s.
    http://edition.cnn.com/2016/01/08/opinions/bell-obama-guns/index.html

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    I want Obama to take away your guns
    By W. Kamau Bell January 9, 2016
    (CNN)It’s times like this that I wish President Obama were the black militant socialist the right is convinced he is: some combination of young Malcolm X and an even older Bernie Sanders. (I am thinking about the kind of Bernie Sanders we would see if he doesn’t become president and totally gives up on the system.)

    This country could use that kind of president, with black people in fear for our lives during every interaction with police and with literally every American at risk of some American deciding to take out as many innocent people as possible because … Jesus and Muslims and women with opinions!…

    We could use a President who was, like, “OK. Everybody turn in all your guns tomorrow by 5 p.m. After that, if I catch you with a gun then I’m sending SEAL Team Six to your house with a recent Facebook picture of you and those tanks that shoot fire that we haven’t used since Waco — Ummm — I mean since World War II.”

    If the President were that guy, then all the anger and distrust (and outright disrespect) directed at him would make sense.

    But it doesn’t, because he isn’t.
    [..]
    And let me be clear about something else, gun owners. I want President Obama to want to take your guns away. I don’t trust you with your guns. I don’t trust you to fire them safely. I don’t trust you to store them safely. I don’t trust your kids not to find them. I don’t trust you not to get them stolen.

    I don’t trust you not to issue a blanket blame of everyone with mental health issues every time there is a mass shooting, even though we all know that for the most part people with mental health issues are only dangerous to a pint of Ben & Jerry’s.
    http://edition.cnn.com/2016/01/08/opinions/bell-obama-guns/index.html

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    I want Obama to take away your guns
    By W. Kamau Bell January 9, 2016
    (CNN)It’s times like this that I wish President Obama were the black militant socialist the right is convinced he is: some combination of young Malcolm X and an even older Bernie Sanders. (I am thinking about the kind of Bernie Sanders we would see if he doesn’t become president and totally gives up on the system.)

    This country could use that kind of president, with black people in fear for our lives during every interaction with police and with literally every American at risk of some American deciding to take out as many innocent people as possible because … Jesus and Muslims and women with opinions!…

    We could use a President who was, like, “OK. Everybody turn in all your guns tomorrow by 5 p.m. After that, if I catch you with a gun then I’m sending SEAL Team Six to your house with a recent Facebook picture of you and those tanks that shoot fire that we haven’t used since Waco — Ummm — I mean since World War II.”

    If the President were that guy, then all the anger and distrust (and outright disrespect) directed at him would make sense.

    But it doesn’t, because he isn’t.

    Thursday’s town hall meeting on guns in America was a stark example of how out of proportion the right’s feelings are to what the President is actually doing, or to what he might want to do, or to even what he says at all about pretty much anything.

    When I heard President Obama was having the meeting, I was kind of happy for him. I thought, “He does well in those situations.” I pictured President Obama standing in the middle of a semicircle of people, with that whole no-suit-jacket-or-tie-with-his-top-button-of-his-dress-shirt-undone-and-his-sleeves-rolled-up — that whole “Let’s get to work!” — look that he likes to sport at times.

    In those situations he is at his best: relaxed, funny, off the cuff, thoughtful and smart, like your favorite substitute teacher.

    “He will be able to knock this out of the park,” I thought. But the moment the town hall began I knew he was in trouble.

    It felt more like a deposition than a town hall meeting. It felt more like President Obama was testifying in his own defense and his alibi was falling apart. And why was that? All the President wants is fewer Americans to die from gun violence. That shouldn’t be a controversial opinion.

    But it is controversial to many on the right, because the President himself is controversial. His very existence is problematic. He himself doesn’t makes sense to the right, so they don’t trust him.
    How the conversation continued after the guns town hall

    Seven years into the Obama presidency the right feels the same way about President Obama as I would if I woke up tomorrow and a talking horse were president. I’d be like, “Seriously? This horse is the president? Well, that just doesn’t make any sense. Lemme see that horse’s papers. I know I saw them before, but I just want to see them one more time.”

    The big difference between me and the right is that after seven years of the Mr. Ed presidency I think I would start to settle in and believe it was true. But to the loudest members of the GOP, something still doesn’t feel right about this Obama character being President. So they can’t trust anything that comes out of his mouth. And they feel like they have to do something.
    Obama's new gun rules don't mean your doctor will rat you out
    Your doctor won’t rat you out

    And that brings us to all these guns. For me, this boils down to a few questions:

    Gun owners, how many different ways and/or times does President Obama have to say that he doesn’t want to take your guns away? Is there a specific way he needs to say it? Because if there is, then just tell him and I’m betting he will hold a press conference immediately and say it that way.

    Or is there a number you all have in your head, and once he hits it you will stop pretending like he’s never said it? Can you tell us what the number is? Or at least can you tell us if President Obama is close to hitting the number? Because if he is, again, I’m pretty sure the President would clear his schedule and just spend the next few weeks saying, “I don’t want to take your guns away” over and over until he hits the magic number.

    And then we could all have a productive discussion about how to solve the problem of America doing nothing when innocent people die for no reason due to guns being held by the people who kill people.

    So Thursday night, instead of having a productive and engaging discussion about how to have fewer parents learning from a phone call that their children have been murdered at school, President Obama was mostly on trial for a crime he didn’t commit: stealing our Second Amendment rights.

    And let me be clear, this would be a great week for President Obama to be on trial. Not about guns, but about his administration raiding the homes of undocumented Central American refugees and then deporting them back to the countries they fled for fear of violence in the first place.

    You would think that between not taking people’s guns away and deporting undocumented people, President Obama would be a favorite of conservatives this week. He should be the leading GOP candidate for President with this record, but no. They still can’t get past the fact he is the President in the first place — twice.

    And let me be clear about something else, gun owners. I want President Obama to want to take your guns away. I don’t trust you with your guns. I don’t trust you to fire them safely. I don’t trust you to store them safely. I don’t trust your kids not to find them. I don’t trust you not to get them stolen.

    I don’t trust you not to issue a blanket blame of everyone with mental health issues every time there is a mass shooting, even though we all know that for the most part people with mental health issues are only dangerous to a pint of Ben & Jerry’s.

    And frankly, I don’t trust you not to shoot me with your guns for no reason. But that’s just me, and my friends and family.

    But it certainly isn’t President Obama. So stop pretending that it is.

    The longer you gun owners do pretend the President wants your guns, the more innocent people die, because you can’t get past your disbelief that Obama is the President long enough to have a conversation that would save people’s lives.
    http://edition.cnn.com/2016/01/08/opinions/bell-obama-guns/index.html

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    A lie told often enough becomes the truth. Lenin

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    “Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property
    of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they
    put themselves into a state of war with the people,
    who are thereupon
    absolved from any farther obedience,
    and are left to the common refuge
    which God hath provided for all men against force and violence.” -John
    Locke

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    “Leave no authority existing not responsible to the people,” -Thomas Jefferson.

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    “Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property
    of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they
    put themselves into a state of war with the people,
    who are thereupon
    absolved from any farther obedience,
    and are left to the common refuge
    which God hath provided for all men against force and violence.” -John
    Locke

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    Obama Says It’s a ‘Conspiracy’ He Wants to Take Away Your Guns http://dailysign.al/1Z9x8B0 via @nataliejohnsonn @DailySignal

    Obama Says It’s a ‘Conspiracy’ He Wants to Take Away Your Guns
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    In one exchange, Cooper said some Americans simply don’t trust Obama’s motives, asking the president if it was “fair to call it a conspiracy.”

    “Yes, it is fair to call it a conspiracy,” Obama said. “What are you saying? Are you suggesting that the notion that we are creating a plot to take everybody’s guns away so that we can impose martial law is [not] a conspiracy? Yes, that is a conspiracy! I would hope that you would agree with that. Is that controversial?”
    http://dailysignal.com/2016/01/07/obama-says-its-a-conspiracy-he-wants-to-take-away-your-guns/

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    A pause in the shouting: Obama, critics connect at CNN’s town hall on guns
    http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/07/politics/obama-executive-action-gun-control-town-hall/

    A pause in the shouting: Obama, critics connect at CNN’s town hall on guns
    But while Obama respectfully conversed with those who questioned him in person, he did not spare his foes in the gun rights debate, accusing them of spouting “imaginary fiction” about his motives and evoking the partisanship that typically encompasses the issues.

    “The way it is described is that we are trying to take away everybody’s guns,” Obama said. “Our position is consistently mischaracterized … If you listen to the rhetoric, it is so over-the-top, it is so overheated.”

    He dismissed the notion that he was behind a plot to take away everybody’s guns “so we can impose martial law” as “a conspiracy.” And he tried to dispel it by pointing out that he lacked the time in office to take away the nation’s 350 million firearms.

    “I’m only going to be here for another year,” he said.

    But the President found himself on the spot as well.

    Taya Kyle, the widow of the Chris Kyle, the soldier featured in the movie “American Sniper” who was later murdered in a gun crime, told him that tightening gun laws would not work and would only punish crime victims.

    “The laws that we create don’t stop these horrific things from happening. That is a very tough pill to swallow,” Kyle said, saying that criminals would not be stopped from getting guns even if background checks were expanded. Like Obama’s other questioners, Kyle’s critique was delivered in a civil, calm tone often absent from the rhetoric of politicians engaged in the gun control debate.
    http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/07/politics/obama-executive-action-gun-control-town-hall/

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    “Brevity is the soul of wit.” William Shakespeare

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    “The Founding Fathers knew a government can’t control the economy
    without controlling people. And they knew when a government sets out to
    do that,
    it must use force and coercion to achieve its purpose.“
    Ronald Reagan

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    “Brevity is the soul of wit.” William Shakespeare

    CNN Anti Gun Op Ed Calls For MARTIAL LAW, Obama To Go Full Dictator http://disq.us/908td9

    CNN Anti Gun Op Ed Calls For MARTIAL LAW, Obama To Go Full Dictator
    Elliot Fineman, of the National Gun Victims Action Council, has penned an op ed on CNN.com calling for Obama to declare a “National State of Emergency for the Gun Violence Epidemic.”

    He says this needs to “include universal REAL backgrounds checks, suspending the gun industry’s immunity from lawsuits, monitoring ammunition sales and banning those on the terror watch list from buying guns.”

    Fineman goes on to say:

    It is clear why a National State of Emergency scares the gun lobby and pro-gun lawmakers — it would neutralize them.

    He also complains that the “gun lobby” has blocked “a computerized crime gun database at the ATF and a registry of gun owners so that we can identify people who have become unstable or radicalized since buying their guns”,that Obama’s recent executive orders “are largely symbolic because they won’t really solve the problem”, and says that “real background checks” would “include interviews with people who know the purchaser (family, neighbors, local police) and with the purchaser himself.”
    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/01/cnn-anti-gun-op-ed-calls-for-martial-law-obama-to-go-full-dictator/

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    “The Founding Fathers knew a government can’t control the economy
    without controlling people. And they knew when a government sets out to
    do that,
    it must use force and coercion to achieve its purpose.“
    Ronald Reagan

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    A woman who demands further gun control legislation is like a chicken who roots for Colonel Sanders. – Larry Elder

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    A woman who demands further gun control legislation is like a chicken who roots for Colonel Sanders. – Larry Elder

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    “Brevity is the soul of wit.” William Shakespeare

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    “Brevity is the soul of wit.” William Shakespeare

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    January 8, 2016

    ..That’s only possible under a declared National State of Emergency for the Gun Violence Epidemic.It is clear why a National State of Emergency scares the gun lobby and pro-gun lawmakers — it would neutralize them. Victim’s father: Obama’s gun actions won’t make a dent January 8, 2016 CNN

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    ..That’s only possible under a declared National State of Emergency for the Gun Violence Epidemic.It is clear why a National State of Emergency scares the gun lobby and pro-gun lawmakers — it would neutralize them. Victim’s father: Obama’s gun actions won’t make a dent January 8, 2016 CNN
    http://edition.cnn.com/2016/01/06/opinions/fineman-obama-gun-control/index.html

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    ..That’s only possible under a declared National State of Emergency for the Gun Violence Epidemic.It is clear why a National State of Emergency scares the gun lobby and pro-gun lawmakers — it would neutralize them.
    Victim’s father: Obama’s gun actions won’t make a dent By Elliot Fineman January 8, 2016 CNN
    http://edition.cnn.com/2016/01/06/opinions/fineman-obama-gun-control/index.html

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    ..The President needs executive actions that cannot be obstructed by Congress. That’s only possible under a declared National State of Emergency for the Gun Violence Epidemic.
    It is clear why a National State of Emergency scares the gun lobby and pro-gun lawmakers — it would neutralize them.
    Victim’s father: Obama’s gun actions won’t make a dent
    By Elliot Fineman January 8, 2016 CNN
    ..The President needs executive actions that cannot be obstructed by Congress. That’s only possible under a declared National State of Emergency for the Gun Violence Epidemic.
    It is clear why a National State of Emergency scares the gun lobby and pro-gun lawmakers — it would neutralize them.
    http://edition.cnn.com/2016/01/06/opinions/fineman-obama-gun-control/index.html

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    Victim’s father: Obama’s gun actions won’t make a dent
    By Elliot Fineman January 8, 2016 CNN
    [..]
    The President needs executive actions that cannot be obstructed by Congress. That’s only possible under a declared National State of Emergency for the Gun Violence Epidemic.

    Some examples of executive actions that are necessary and would be blocked by Congress absent a declared National State of Emergency include universal REAL backgrounds checks, suspending the gun industry’s immunity from lawsuits, monitoring ammunition sales and banning those on the terror watch list from buying guns.
    [..]
    It is clear why a National State of Emergency scares the gun lobby and pro-gun lawmakers — it would neutralize them.
    Follow @CNNOpinion
    http://edition.cnn.com/2016/01/06/opinions/fineman-obama-gun-control/index.html


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    Victim’s father: Obama’s gun actions won’t make a dent
    By Elliot Fineman January 8, 2016
    (CNN)
    [..]
    So, what should Obama do?

    The President needs executive actions that cannot be obstructed by Congress. That’s only possible under a declared National State of Emergency for the Gun Violence Epidemic.

    Some examples of executive actions that are necessary and would be blocked by Congress absent a declared National State of Emergency include universal REAL backgrounds checks, suspending the gun industry’s immunity from lawsuits, monitoring ammunition sales and banning those on the terror watch list from buying guns.
    [..]
    No atrocity — whether it’s the massacres at Sandy Hook and Aurora or the terrorist shooting at San Bernardino — will jolt Congress into action or stop gun lobby obstructionism. In fact, a day before the San Bernardino massacre, the NRA said there is no gun violence epidemic.

    It is clear why a National State of Emergency scares the gun lobby and pro-gun lawmakers — it would neutralize them.
    Follow @CNNOpinion
    http://edition.cnn.com/2016/01/06/opinions/fineman-obama-gun-control/index.html

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    Victim’s father: Obama’s gun actions won’t make a dent
    By Elliot Fineman January 8, 2016
    (CNN)On Thursday night, Anderson Cooper will host a town hall meeting with President Barack Obama about “Guns in America.” This is part of Obama’s sincere and heartfelt effort to reduce gun violence through executive actions, which he announced on Tuesday.

    I applaud the President’s intentions and thinking, but I’m afraid his plans won’t do much to change things. Republican obstructionism will likely tie his new gun actions up in court and delay implementation as was the case with his immigration executive orders. And, even if the actions are implemented, they will do little or nothing to reduce gun violence.
    [..]

    These actions are largely symbolic because they won’t really solve the problem. Let’s look at the details:

    The past 15 mass shooters all passed their background checks.

    Closing private sales loopholes and forcing gun sellers to be licensed and conduct background checks ignores the disturbing fact that the vast majority of mass shooters pass their background checks and are legal gun owners. The macabre list is quite long and includes recent as well as decade-old mass shootings. Hiring more FBI agents to process background checks will not solve the problem.

    When the initial Brady Background Check Bill (Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act) was enacted in 1993, the drafters agreed to make reporting of prohibited gun purchasers by states optional. It is still not mandatory. As a result, studies show that 90% of state mental health records that should be in the database of prohibited purchasers are not.

    It’s the guns — not mental disability — that leads to massacres.

    While expanding mental health support and treatment is a meaningful and important social goal, it has nothing to do with reducing the gun violence epidemic. This is a “red herring” raised by the NRA and pro-gun extremists to distract us every time there is a mass murderer.

    The reality is that other developed countries (e.g., England, France, Italy, Germany, Sweden, Canada and Japan) have about the same percentage of people with mental disabilities as the United States. Yet the people with mental disabilities in those countries are not committing gun massacres. Why?

    Because those countries have sane gun laws and the people with mental disabilities cannot get their hands on the guns. It’s not mental disability that leads to our gun massacres as the NRA would have us believe — it is the guns.

    How can guns be kept from people with mental disabilities? By conducting real background checks that include interviews with people who know the purchaser (family, neighbors, local police) and with the purchaser himself.

    Not only are real background checks conducted in other countries, they are also used in the United States for machine gun purchases. This is gun control the United State has practiced for decades — and it works. When was the last time you heard of a machine gun mass murder? Or a mentally disabled person using a machine gun to commit mass atrocities?

    The gun lobby has blocked gun violence research by the CDC, a computerized crime gun database at the ATF and a registry of gun owners so that we can identify people who have become unstable or radicalized since buying their guns.

    The NRA’s blockade of such vital information ironically gives Obama the authority to invoke the National Emergencies Act, which is justified when the government lacks the procedures and capacity to address an unchecked natural or man-made public health epidemic.

    So, what should Obama do?

    The President needs executive actions that cannot be obstructed by Congress. That’s only possible under a declared National State of Emergency for the Gun Violence Epidemic.

    Some examples of executive actions that are necessary and would be blocked by Congress absent a declared National State of Emergency include universal REAL backgrounds checks, suspending the gun industry’s immunity from lawsuits, monitoring ammunition sales and banning those on the terror watch list from buying guns.

    No atrocity — whether it’s the massacres at Sandy Hook and Aurora or the terrorist shooting at San Bernardino — will jolt Congress into action or stop gun lobby obstructionism. In fact, a day before the San Bernardino massacre, the NRA said there is no gun violence epidemic.

    It is clear why a National State of Emergency scares the gun lobby and pro-gun lawmakers — it would neutralize them. My organization is encouraging a petition. As we tune in to CNN’s town hall meeting with Obama, here are my questions. What are yours?

    1) Gun violence is a raging epidemic claiming 30,000 lives per year at a cost of $229 billion per year. Why have you not declared a state of emergency to halt the Gun Violence Epidemic?

    2) Since the government is the largest purchaser of firearms, why not force the gun manufacturers to make smart guns (guns that will only fire if the fingerprint of the owner matches the trigger) by requiring that the government only purchase smart guns?
    Follow @CNNOpinion
    http://edition.cnn.com/2016/01/06/opinions/fineman-obama-gun-control/index.html

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    Victim’s father: Obama’s gun actions won’t make a dent
    By Elliot Fineman January 8, 2016
    (CNN)On Thursday night, Anderson Cooper will host a town hall meeting with President Barack Obama about “Guns in America.” This is part of Obama’s sincere and heartfelt effort to reduce gun violence through executive actions, which he announced on Tuesday.

    I applaud the President’s intentions and thinking, but I’m afraid his plans won’t do much to change things. Republican obstructionism will likely tie his new gun actions up in court and delay implementation as was the case with his immigration executive orders. And, even if the actions are implemented, they will do little or nothing to reduce gun violence.

    I speak as a parent who lost a child and a gun control advocate. My only son, Michael, was murdered on December 30, 2006, while having dinner with his wife in a restaurant in San Diego. His killer, despite having twice been in mental institutions, was legally able to buy the gun that took Michael’s life.

    My son’s death shattered my life. When I could function again, I decided to focus all my attention to help prevent other parents and families from going through the same unending horror. I founded an organization to combat gun violence.

    Obama’s executive orders include closing portions of the gun show loophole by requiring more sellers of guns to be licensed and do background checks, expanding funding to enforce current gun laws and increase resources for mental health care.

    These actions are largely symbolic because they won’t really solve the problem. Let’s look at the details:

    The past 15 mass shooters all passed their background checks.

    Closing private sales loopholes and forcing gun sellers to be licensed and conduct background checks ignores the disturbing fact that the vast majority of mass shooters pass their background checks and are legal gun owners. The macabre list is quite long and includes recent as well as decade-old mass shootings. Hiring more FBI agents to process background checks will not solve the problem.

    When the initial Brady Background Check Bill (Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act) was enacted in 1993, the drafters agreed to make reporting of prohibited gun purchasers by states optional. It is still not mandatory. As a result, studies show that 90% of state mental health records that should be in the database of prohibited purchasers are not.

    It’s the guns — not mental disability — that leads to massacres.

    While expanding mental health support and treatment is a meaningful and important social goal, it has nothing to do with reducing the gun violence epidemic. This is a “red herring” raised by the NRA and pro-gun extremists to distract us every time there is a mass murderer.

    The reality is that other developed countries (e.g., England, France, Italy, Germany, Sweden, Canada and Japan) have about the same percentage of people with mental disabilities as the United States. Yet the people with mental disabilities in those countries are not committing gun massacres. Why?

    Because those countries have sane gun laws and the people with mental disabilities cannot get their hands on the guns. It’s not mental disability that leads to our gun massacres as the NRA would have us believe — it is the guns.

    How can guns be kept from people with mental disabilities? By conducting real background checks that include interviews with people who know the purchaser (family, neighbors, local police) and with the purchaser himself.

    Not only are real background checks conducted in other countries, they are also used in the United States for machine gun purchases. This is gun control the United State has practiced for decades — and it works. When was the last time you heard of a machine gun mass murder? Or a mentally disabled person using a machine gun to commit mass atrocities?

    The gun lobby has blocked gun violence research by the CDC, a computerized crime gun database at the ATF and a registry of gun owners so that we can identify people who have become unstable or radicalized since buying their guns.

    The NRA’s blockade of such vital information ironically gives Obama the authority to invoke the National Emergencies Act, which is justified when the government lacks the procedures and capacity to address an unchecked natural or man-made public health epidemic.

    So, what should Obama do?

    The President needs executive actions that cannot be obstructed by Congress. That’s only possible under a declared National State of Emergency for the Gun Violence Epidemic.

    Some examples of executive actions that are necessary and would be blocked by Congress absent a declared National State of Emergency include universal REAL backgrounds checks, suspending the gun industry’s immunity from lawsuits, monitoring ammunition sales and banning those on the terror watch list from buying guns.

    No atrocity — whether it’s the massacres at Sandy Hook and Aurora or the terrorist shooting at San Bernardino — will jolt Congress into action or stop gun lobby obstructionism. In fact, a day before the San Bernardino massacre, the NRA said there is no gun violence epidemic.

    It is clear why a National State of Emergency scares the gun lobby and pro-gun lawmakers — it would neutralize them. My organization is encouraging a petition. As we tune in to CNN’s town hall meeting with Obama, here are my questions. What are yours?

    1) Gun violence is a raging epidemic claiming 30,000 lives per year at a cost of $229 billion per year. Why have you not declared a state of emergency to halt the Gun Violence Epidemic?

    2) Since the government is the largest purchaser of firearms, why not force the gun manufacturers to make smart guns (guns that will only fire if the fingerprint of the owner matches the trigger) by requiring that the government only purchase smart guns?
    Follow @CNNOpinion
    http://edition.cnn.com/2016/01/06/opinions/fineman-obama-gun-control/index.html

  • Torcer

    January 8, 2016
    Progressive Rag: “Forget The 2nd Amendment” https://shar.es/16ZZCs via @gatewaypundit
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    Can’t We Just Put the Damn Guns Down? January 8, 2016 Huffington post

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    Can’t We Just Put the Damn Guns Down? January 8, 2016 Huffington post
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-nelson/cant-we-just-put-the-damn_b_8939952.html

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    Can’t We Just Put the Damn Guns Down? January 8, 2016 Huffington post
    …I’ve just had enough with guns – all of them – in the hands of police, in the hands of children……Forget the Second Amendment or the grand jury decisions.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-nelson/cant-we-just-put-the-damn_b_8939952.html

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    Can’t We Just Put the Damn Guns Down?
    Steve Nelson January 8, 2016 Huffington post
    …I’ve just had enough with guns – all of them – in the hands of police, in the hands of children, in the hands of crazy white men in Oregon. Forget the Second Amendment or the grand jury decisions. Can’t we just put the damn guns down?
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-nelson/cant-we-just-put-the-damn_b_8939952.html

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    Can’t We Just Put the Damn Guns Down?
    Steve Nelson January 8, 2016 Huffington post
    [..]
    The NRA, its members and its funders should be shamed for creating a political climate where government fails to act even in the face of the slaughter of children. Politicians who pander to the gun lobby even in the face of the slaughter of children should be held accountable and removed from office at the ballot box.

    Every arrogant, entitled jerk who walks in public with a firearm is making it more possible that some child will think that’s a cool thing to do – and die in the street.

    Every multi-millionaire athlete who carries a handgun into a nightclub, all the rap or hip-hop artists who gratuitously contribute to the celebration of thug culture and every producer and director of film or television who profits from gratuitous violence should be confronted for their complicity.

    Every person who profits from the production and sale of weapons, sponsors gun shows or otherwise advances the profitability of the gun culture shares the responsibility for the deaths of children.
    [..]
    I’ve just had enough with guns – all of them – in the hands of police, in the hands of children, in the hands of crazy white men in Oregon. Forget the Second Amendment or the grand jury decisions. Can’t we just put the damn guns down?

    Follow Steve Nelson on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/snelson0248
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-nelson/cant-we-just-put-the-damn_b_8939952.html

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    Can’t We Just Put the Damn Guns Down?
    Steve Nelson January 8, 2016 Huffington post
    12 year-old Tamir Rice, shot dead on a playground and, once again, a grand jury finds insufficient cause to indict.

    Yes, the shooting seems indefensible. An “unarmed” 12 year-old boy was shot dead by a cop, apparently an intemperate cop, based on his history. It is not possible to consider this case without considering the national pattern: Cover-ups; injustice in case after case; the way white cops see black boys; stereotypes; racism; cool, calculated indifference.

    But these factors cannot be the sole or dominant considerations in a legal decision. Racism and injustice must be considered as context within which alleged acts occur, but it is also plausible that the police officer in any particular case is not criminally liable.

    The evidence indicates that the police officer in Cleveland had reason to be fearful. Tamir Rice was allegedly carrying an airsoft replica gun. These “toys” are designed to appear as realistic as possible. Perhaps the officer was both a bad, racist cop and he was justified in his fear. That is the discomfort a just society must hold: That racism and injustice are systemic, structural and ubiquitous and yet a particular decision within a racist system may still be just.

    We must deal with the reality that our society created both the trigger-happy cop and the boy he shot, who apparently thought it was cool to carry around a gun that looked like the real thing. Don’t get me wrong. I’m not blaming Tamir Rice for his own death. I’m blaming the rest of us for not speaking out or acting to change our violent, gun-saturated society.

    We should hold folks responsible for feeding this culture of entitlement, aggression and self-determination.

    We must confront the police departments in America that view their black constituents as “the other” rather than as their neighbors.

    The designers, manufacturers and marketers who fashion video “games” that glamorize guns and violence hold responsibility for the disintegration of civility and the callouses that have grown on young folks’ souls.

    The NRA, its members and its funders should be shamed for creating a political climate where government fails to act even in the face of the slaughter of children. Politicians who pander to the gun lobby even in the face of the slaughter of children should be held accountable and removed from office at the ballot box.

    Every arrogant, entitled jerk who walks in public with a firearm is making it more possible that some child will think that’s a cool thing to do – and die in the street.

    Every multi-millionaire athlete who carries a handgun into a nightclub, all the rap or hip-hop artists who gratuitously contribute to the celebration of thug culture and every producer and director of film or television who profits from gratuitous violence should be confronted for their complicity.

    Every person who profits from the production and sale of weapons, sponsors gun shows or otherwise advances the profitability of the gun culture shares the responsibility for the deaths of children.

    And the parents and caregivers who purchase or allow their little boys or girls to purchase “toys” that replicate killing devices should get their minds right. While no child should be shot for carrying around a relatively harmless weapon, no child needs to carry around a relatively harmless weapon.

    I could go on.

    I suppose this piece will anger nearly everyone. My progressive partners in anti-racist work will likely be disappointed that I don’t simply join in the understandable outrage. And the usual suspects will come out from under their rocks to lecture me about the Second Amendment or to trot out some arcane statistics that purport to disprove any link between violent images and subsequent violence.

    Armed thugs defy the government in a wildlife refuge in Oregon. There is a shooting on a campus more than once a week. As I wrote this post, a news report flashed across my screen that a 15 year-old girl shot her mother and her mother’s boyfriend. Horrible icons like Columbine, Sandy Hook and San Bernardino are just the slaughters that were of sufficient scale to keep our national attention for more than a day or two.

    I’ve just had enough with guns – all of them – in the hands of police, in the hands of children, in the hands of crazy white men in Oregon. Forget the Second Amendment or the grand jury decisions. Can’t we just put the damn guns down?

    Follow Steve Nelson on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/snelson0248
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-nelson/cant-we-just-put-the-damn_b_8939952.html

  • Torcer

    January 8, 2016

    ..That’s only possible under a declared National State of Emergency for the Gun Violence Epidemic.It is clear why a National State of Emergency scares the gun lobby and pro-gun lawmakers — it would neutralize them. Victim’s father: Obama’s gun actions won’t make a dent January 8, 2016 CNN

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    ..That’s only possible under a declared National State of Emergency for the Gun Violence Epidemic.It is clear why a National State of Emergency scares the gun lobby and pro-gun lawmakers — it would neutralize them. Victim’s father: Obama’s gun actions won’t make a dent January 8, 2016 CNN
    http://edition.cnn.com/2016/01/06/opinions/fineman-obama-gun-control/index.html

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    ..That’s only possible under a declared National State of Emergency for the Gun Violence Epidemic.It is clear why a National State of Emergency scares the gun lobby and pro-gun lawmakers — it would neutralize them.
    Victim’s father: Obama’s gun actions won’t make a dent By Elliot Fineman January 8, 2016 CNN
    http://edition.cnn.com/2016/01/06/opinions/fineman-obama-gun-control/index.html

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    ..The President needs executive actions that cannot be obstructed by Congress. That’s only possible under a declared National State of Emergency for the Gun Violence Epidemic.
    It is clear why a National State of Emergency scares the gun lobby and pro-gun lawmakers — it would neutralize them.
    Victim’s father: Obama’s gun actions won’t make a dent
    By Elliot Fineman January 8, 2016 CNN
    ..The President needs executive actions that cannot be obstructed by Congress. That’s only possible under a declared National State of Emergency for the Gun Violence Epidemic.
    It is clear why a National State of Emergency scares the gun lobby and pro-gun lawmakers — it would neutralize them.
    http://edition.cnn.com/2016/01/06/opinions/fineman-obama-gun-control/index.html

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    Victim’s father: Obama’s gun actions won’t make a dent
    By Elliot Fineman January 8, 2016 CNN
    [..]
    The President needs executive actions that cannot be obstructed by Congress. That’s only possible under a declared National State of Emergency for the Gun Violence Epidemic.

    Some examples of executive actions that are necessary and would be blocked by Congress absent a declared National State of Emergency include universal REAL backgrounds checks, suspending the gun industry’s immunity from lawsuits, monitoring ammunition sales and banning those on the terror watch list from buying guns.
    [..]
    It is clear why a National State of Emergency scares the gun lobby and pro-gun lawmakers — it would neutralize them.
    Follow @CNNOpinion
    http://edition.cnn.com/2016/01/06/opinions/fineman-obama-gun-control/index.html


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    Victim’s father: Obama’s gun actions won’t make a dent
    By Elliot Fineman January 8, 2016
    (CNN)
    [..]
    So, what should Obama do?

    The President needs executive actions that cannot be obstructed by Congress. That’s only possible under a declared National State of Emergency for the Gun Violence Epidemic.

    Some examples of executive actions that are necessary and would be blocked by Congress absent a declared National State of Emergency include universal REAL backgrounds checks, suspending the gun industry’s immunity from lawsuits, monitoring ammunition sales and banning those on the terror watch list from buying guns.
    [..]
    No atrocity — whether it’s the massacres at Sandy Hook and Aurora or the terrorist shooting at San Bernardino — will jolt Congress into action or stop gun lobby obstructionism. In fact, a day before the San Bernardino massacre, the NRA said there is no gun violence epidemic.

    It is clear why a National State of Emergency scares the gun lobby and pro-gun lawmakers — it would neutralize them.
    Follow @CNNOpinion
    http://edition.cnn.com/2016/01/06/opinions/fineman-obama-gun-control/index.html

    ……………………………

    Victim’s father: Obama’s gun actions won’t make a dent
    By Elliot Fineman January 8, 2016
    (CNN)On Thursday night, Anderson Cooper will host a town hall meeting with President Barack Obama about “Guns in America.” This is part of Obama’s sincere and heartfelt effort to reduce gun violence through executive actions, which he announced on Tuesday.

    I applaud the President’s intentions and thinking, but I’m afraid his plans won’t do much to change things. Republican obstructionism will likely tie his new gun actions up in court and delay implementation as was the case with his immigration executive orders. And, even if the actions are implemented, they will do little or nothing to reduce gun violence.
    [..]

    These actions are largely symbolic because they won’t really solve the problem. Let’s look at the details:

    The past 15 mass shooters all passed their background checks.

    Closing private sales loopholes and forcing gun sellers to be licensed and conduct background checks ignores the disturbing fact that the vast majority of mass shooters pass their background checks and are legal gun owners. The macabre list is quite long and includes recent as well as decade-old mass shootings. Hiring more FBI agents to process background checks will not solve the problem.

    When the initial Brady Background Check Bill (Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act) was enacted in 1993, the drafters agreed to make reporting of prohibited gun purchasers by states optional. It is still not mandatory. As a result, studies show that 90% of state mental health records that should be in the database of prohibited purchasers are not.

    It’s the guns — not mental disability — that leads to massacres.

    While expanding mental health support and treatment is a meaningful and important social goal, it has nothing to do with reducing the gun violence epidemic. This is a “red herring” raised by the NRA and pro-gun extremists to distract us every time there is a mass murderer.

    The reality is that other developed countries (e.g., England, France, Italy, Germany, Sweden, Canada and Japan) have about the same percentage of people with mental disabilities as the United States. Yet the people with mental disabilities in those countries are not committing gun massacres. Why?

    Because those countries have sane gun laws and the people with mental disabilities cannot get their hands on the guns. It’s not mental disability that leads to our gun massacres as the NRA would have us believe — it is the guns.

    How can guns be kept from people with mental disabilities? By conducting real background checks that include interviews with people who know the purchaser (family, neighbors, local police) and with the purchaser himself.

    Not only are real background checks conducted in other countries, they are also used in the United States for machine gun purchases. This is gun control the United State has practiced for decades — and it works. When was the last time you heard of a machine gun mass murder? Or a mentally disabled person using a machine gun to commit mass atrocities?

    The gun lobby has blocked gun violence research by the CDC, a computerized crime gun database at the ATF and a registry of gun owners so that we can identify people who have become unstable or radicalized since buying their guns.

    The NRA’s blockade of such vital information ironically gives Obama the authority to invoke the National Emergencies Act, which is justified when the government lacks the procedures and capacity to address an unchecked natural or man-made public health epidemic.

    So, what should Obama do?

    The President needs executive actions that cannot be obstructed by Congress. That’s only possible under a declared National State of Emergency for the Gun Violence Epidemic.

    Some examples of executive actions that are necessary and would be blocked by Congress absent a declared National State of Emergency include universal REAL backgrounds checks, suspending the gun industry’s immunity from lawsuits, monitoring ammunition sales and banning those on the terror watch list from buying guns.

    No atrocity — whether it’s the massacres at Sandy Hook and Aurora or the terrorist shooting at San Bernardino — will jolt Congress into action or stop gun lobby obstructionism. In fact, a day before the San Bernardino massacre, the NRA said there is no gun violence epidemic.

    It is clear why a National State of Emergency scares the gun lobby and pro-gun lawmakers — it would neutralize them. My organization is encouraging a petition. As we tune in to CNN’s town hall meeting with Obama, here are my questions. What are yours?

    1) Gun violence is a raging epidemic claiming 30,000 lives per year at a cost of $229 billion per year. Why have you not declared a state of emergency to halt the Gun Violence Epidemic?

    2) Since the government is the largest purchaser of firearms, why not force the gun manufacturers to make smart guns (guns that will only fire if the fingerprint of the owner matches the trigger) by requiring that the government only purchase smart guns?
    Follow @CNNOpinion
    http://edition.cnn.com/2016/01/06/opinions/fineman-obama-gun-control/index.html

    …………………………

    Victim’s father: Obama’s gun actions won’t make a dent
    By Elliot Fineman January 8, 2016
    (CNN)On Thursday night, Anderson Cooper will host a town hall meeting with President Barack Obama about “Guns in America.” This is part of Obama’s sincere and heartfelt effort to reduce gun violence through executive actions, which he announced on Tuesday.

    I applaud the President’s intentions and thinking, but I’m afraid his plans won’t do much to change things. Republican obstructionism will likely tie his new gun actions up in court and delay implementation as was the case with his immigration executive orders. And, even if the actions are implemented, they will do little or nothing to reduce gun violence.

    I speak as a parent who lost a child and a gun control advocate. My only son, Michael, was murdered on December 30, 2006, while having dinner with his wife in a restaurant in San Diego. His killer, despite having twice been in mental institutions, was legally able to buy the gun that took Michael’s life.

    My son’s death shattered my life. When I could function again, I decided to focus all my attention to help prevent other parents and families from going through the same unending horror. I founded an organization to combat gun violence.

    Obama’s executive orders include closing portions of the gun show loophole by requiring more sellers of guns to be licensed and do background checks, expanding funding to enforce current gun laws and increase resources for mental health care.

    These actions are largely symbolic because they won’t really solve the problem. Let’s look at the details:

    The past 15 mass shooters all passed their background checks.

    Closing private sales loopholes and forcing gun sellers to be licensed and conduct background checks ignores the disturbing fact that the vast majority of mass shooters pass their background checks and are legal gun owners. The macabre list is quite long and includes recent as well as decade-old mass shootings. Hiring more FBI agents to process background checks will not solve the problem.

    When the initial Brady Background Check Bill (Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act) was enacted in 1993, the drafters agreed to make reporting of prohibited gun purchasers by states optional. It is still not mandatory. As a result, studies show that 90% of state mental health records that should be in the database of prohibited purchasers are not.

    It’s the guns — not mental disability — that leads to massacres.

    While expanding mental health support and treatment is a meaningful and important social goal, it has nothing to do with reducing the gun violence epidemic. This is a “red herring” raised by the NRA and pro-gun extremists to distract us every time there is a mass murderer.

    The reality is that other developed countries (e.g., England, France, Italy, Germany, Sweden, Canada and Japan) have about the same percentage of people with mental disabilities as the United States. Yet the people with mental disabilities in those countries are not committing gun massacres. Why?

    Because those countries have sane gun laws and the people with mental disabilities cannot get their hands on the guns. It’s not mental disability that leads to our gun massacres as the NRA would have us believe — it is the guns.

    How can guns be kept from people with mental disabilities? By conducting real background checks that include interviews with people who know the purchaser (family, neighbors, local police) and with the purchaser himself.

    Not only are real background checks conducted in other countries, they are also used in the United States for machine gun purchases. This is gun control the United State has practiced for decades — and it works. When was the last time you heard of a machine gun mass murder? Or a mentally disabled person using a machine gun to commit mass atrocities?

    The gun lobby has blocked gun violence research by the CDC, a computerized crime gun database at the ATF and a registry of gun owners so that we can identify people who have become unstable or radicalized since buying their guns.

    The NRA’s blockade of such vital information ironically gives Obama the authority to invoke the National Emergencies Act, which is justified when the government lacks the procedures and capacity to address an unchecked natural or man-made public health epidemic.

    So, what should Obama do?

    The President needs executive actions that cannot be obstructed by Congress. That’s only possible under a declared National State of Emergency for the Gun Violence Epidemic.

    Some examples of executive actions that are necessary and would be blocked by Congress absent a declared National State of Emergency include universal REAL backgrounds checks, suspending the gun industry’s immunity from lawsuits, monitoring ammunition sales and banning those on the terror watch list from buying guns.

    No atrocity — whether it’s the massacres at Sandy Hook and Aurora or the terrorist shooting at San Bernardino — will jolt Congress into action or stop gun lobby obstructionism. In fact, a day before the San Bernardino massacre, the NRA said there is no gun violence epidemic.

    It is clear why a National State of Emergency scares the gun lobby and pro-gun lawmakers — it would neutralize them. My organization is encouraging a petition. As we tune in to CNN’s town hall meeting with Obama, here are my questions. What are yours?

    1) Gun violence is a raging epidemic claiming 30,000 lives per year at a cost of $229 billion per year. Why have you not declared a state of emergency to halt the Gun Violence Epidemic?

    2) Since the government is the largest purchaser of firearms, why not force the gun manufacturers to make smart guns (guns that will only fire if the fingerprint of the owner matches the trigger) by requiring that the government only purchase smart guns?
    Follow @CNNOpinion
    http://edition.cnn.com/2016/01/06/opinions/fineman-obama-gun-control/index.html

  • Torcer

    January 8, 2016
    Progressive Rag: “Forget The 2nd Amendment” https://shar.es/16ZZCs via @gatewaypundit
    …………………………..

    Can’t We Just Put the Damn Guns Down? January 8, 2016 Huffington post

    …………………….

    Can’t We Just Put the Damn Guns Down? January 8, 2016 Huffington post
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-nelson/cant-we-just-put-the-damn_b_8939952.html

    …………………

    Can’t We Just Put the Damn Guns Down? January 8, 2016 Huffington post
    …I’ve just had enough with guns – all of them – in the hands of police, in the hands of children……Forget the Second Amendment or the grand jury decisions.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-nelson/cant-we-just-put-the-damn_b_8939952.html

    …………………

    Can’t We Just Put the Damn Guns Down?
    Steve Nelson January 8, 2016 Huffington post
    …I’ve just had enough with guns – all of them – in the hands of police, in the hands of children, in the hands of crazy white men in Oregon. Forget the Second Amendment or the grand jury decisions. Can’t we just put the damn guns down?
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-nelson/cant-we-just-put-the-damn_b_8939952.html

    ………………

    Can’t We Just Put the Damn Guns Down?
    Steve Nelson January 8, 2016 Huffington post
    [..]
    The NRA, its members and its funders should be shamed for creating a political climate where government fails to act even in the face of the slaughter of children. Politicians who pander to the gun lobby even in the face of the slaughter of children should be held accountable and removed from office at the ballot box.

    Every arrogant, entitled jerk who walks in public with a firearm is making it more possible that some child will think that’s a cool thing to do – and die in the street.

    Every multi-millionaire athlete who carries a handgun into a nightclub, all the rap or hip-hop artists who gratuitously contribute to the celebration of thug culture and every producer and director of film or television who profits from gratuitous violence should be confronted for their complicity.

    Every person who profits from the production and sale of weapons, sponsors gun shows or otherwise advances the profitability of the gun culture shares the responsibility for the deaths of children.
    [..]
    I’ve just had enough with guns – all of them – in the hands of police, in the hands of children, in the hands of crazy white men in Oregon. Forget the Second Amendment or the grand jury decisions. Can’t we just put the damn guns down?

    Follow Steve Nelson on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/snelson0248
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-nelson/cant-we-just-put-the-damn_b_8939952.html

    …………………………………………….

    Can’t We Just Put the Damn Guns Down?
    Steve Nelson January 8, 2016 Huffington post
    12 year-old Tamir Rice, shot dead on a playground and, once again, a grand jury finds insufficient cause to indict.

    Yes, the shooting seems indefensible. An “unarmed” 12 year-old boy was shot dead by a cop, apparently an intemperate cop, based on his history. It is not possible to consider this case without considering the national pattern: Cover-ups; injustice in case after case; the way white cops see black boys; stereotypes; racism; cool, calculated indifference.

    But these factors cannot be the sole or dominant considerations in a legal decision. Racism and injustice must be considered as context within which alleged acts occur, but it is also plausible that the police officer in any particular case is not criminally liable.

    The evidence indicates that the police officer in Cleveland had reason to be fearful. Tamir Rice was allegedly carrying an airsoft replica gun. These “toys” are designed to appear as realistic as possible. Perhaps the officer was both a bad, racist cop and he was justified in his fear. That is the discomfort a just society must hold: That racism and injustice are systemic, structural and ubiquitous and yet a particular decision within a racist system may still be just.

    We must deal with the reality that our society created both the trigger-happy cop and the boy he shot, who apparently thought it was cool to carry around a gun that looked like the real thing. Don’t get me wrong. I’m not blaming Tamir Rice for his own death. I’m blaming the rest of us for not speaking out or acting to change our violent, gun-saturated society.

    We should hold folks responsible for feeding this culture of entitlement, aggression and self-determination.

    We must confront the police departments in America that view their black constituents as “the other” rather than as their neighbors.

    The designers, manufacturers and marketers who fashion video “games” that glamorize guns and violence hold responsibility for the disintegration of civility and the callouses that have grown on young folks’ souls.

    The NRA, its members and its funders should be shamed for creating a political climate where government fails to act even in the face of the slaughter of children. Politicians who pander to the gun lobby even in the face of the slaughter of children should be held accountable and removed from office at the ballot box.

    Every arrogant, entitled jerk who walks in public with a firearm is making it more possible that some child will think that’s a cool thing to do – and die in the street.

    Every multi-millionaire athlete who carries a handgun into a nightclub, all the rap or hip-hop artists who gratuitously contribute to the celebration of thug culture and every producer and director of film or television who profits from gratuitous violence should be confronted for their complicity.

    Every person who profits from the production and sale of weapons, sponsors gun shows or otherwise advances the profitability of the gun culture shares the responsibility for the deaths of children.

    And the parents and caregivers who purchase or allow their little boys or girls to purchase “toys” that replicate killing devices should get their minds right. While no child should be shot for carrying around a relatively harmless weapon, no child needs to carry around a relatively harmless weapon.

    I could go on.

    I suppose this piece will anger nearly everyone. My progressive partners in anti-racist work will likely be disappointed that I don’t simply join in the understandable outrage. And the usual suspects will come out from under their rocks to lecture me about the Second Amendment or to trot out some arcane statistics that purport to disprove any link between violent images and subsequent violence.

    Armed thugs defy the government in a wildlife refuge in Oregon. There is a shooting on a campus more than once a week. As I wrote this post, a news report flashed across my screen that a 15 year-old girl shot her mother and her mother’s boyfriend. Horrible icons like Columbine, Sandy Hook and San Bernardino are just the slaughters that were of sufficient scale to keep our national attention for more than a day or two.

    I’ve just had enough with guns – all of them – in the hands of police, in the hands of children, in the hands of crazy white men in Oregon. Forget the Second Amendment or the grand jury decisions. Can’t we just put the damn guns down?

    Follow Steve Nelson on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/snelson0248
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-nelson/cant-we-just-put-the-damn_b_8939952.html

  • Torcer

    “When you have made evil the means of survival, do not expect men to remain good. Do not expect them to stay moral and lose their lives for the purpose of becoming the fodder of the immoral. Do not expect them to produce, when production is punished and looting rewarded.”

    Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand

  • Torcer

    “When you have made evil the means of survival, do not expect men to remain good. Do not expect them to stay moral and lose their lives for the purpose of becoming the fodder of the immoral. Do not expect them to produce, when production is punished and looting rewarded.”

    Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand

  • Torcer
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  • Torcer

    Georgia lawmaker introduces bill banning ‘assault weapons’
    http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/georgia-lawmaker-introduces-bill-banning-assault-r/np5PZ/

    Thursday, Jan. 14, 2016

    Georgia lawmaker introduces bill banning ‘assault weapons’
    ATLANTA —A bill banning certain guns described as assault weapons by the bill’s author is sparking controversy in Georgia.

    The new bill was introduced by State Representative Mary Oliver, from Decatur, and it has the support of 15 Democrats who signed the bill.

    Hear from gun rights advocates who say there is no room to compromise with the Second Amendment in our live report on Channel 2 Action News at 6.

    Not only does this ban the sale of certain guns, but people who own the guns banned by this bill would have to turn them over to the Georgia Bureau of Investigations.
    http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/georgia-lawmaker-introduces-bill-banning-assault-r/np5PZ/

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    Georgia lawmaker introduces bill banning ‘assault weapons’
    http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/georgia-lawmaker-introduces-bill-banning-assault-r/np5PZ/

    Thursday, Jan. 14, 2016

    Georgia lawmaker introduces bill banning ‘assault weapons’
    ATLANTA —A bill banning certain guns described as assault weapons by the bill’s author is sparking controversy in Georgia.

    The new bill was introduced by State Representative Mary Oliver, from Decatur, and it has the support of 15 Democrats who signed the bill.

    Hear from gun rights advocates who say there is no room to compromise with the Second Amendment in our live report on Channel 2 Action News at 6.

    Not only does this ban the sale of certain guns, but people who own the guns banned by this bill would have to turn them over to the Georgia Bureau of Investigations.
    http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/georgia-lawmaker-introduces-bill-banning-assault-r/np5PZ/

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    Bernie Sanders Calls for Sweeping Gun Ban That Would Outlaw All Self-Defense Firearms
    Senator Bernie Sanders, who represents vehemently pro-gun Vermont, has built a fairly firearms friendly voting record during his time in the U.S. Senate. After he recently emerged as the 2016 presidential race’s standard-bearer for the Democratic Party’s progressive wing, progressive politicos who oppose gun rights began to complain about Sanders’ record on guns. In an apparent primary-season about-face on Sunday’s episode of NBC’s Meet the Press, Sanders radically adjusted his position on guns and advocated for a sweeping gun ban that would outlaw most firearms designed for home and self defense.

    In the above-embedded clip from Meet the Press, which is featured on Bernie Sanders’ YouTube channel, he said, “Nobody should have a gun who has a criminal background, who’s involved in domestic abuse situations. People should not have guns who are going to hurt other people, who are unstable. And second of all I believe that we need to make sure that certain types of guns used to kill people, exclusively, not for hunting, they should not be sold in the United States of America, and we have a huge loophole now with gun shows that should be eliminated.”

    While most of the positions that he advocated for on guns on Meet the Press fall within the mainstream of the Democratic Party, Media Research Center points out the fact that calling for a ban on all firearms “used to kill people” and “not for hunting” implies a ban on all weapons that are impractical for hunting but used primarily for self defense, including handguns, shotguns, and specific classes of rifles.

    “Coming from a rural state, I think I can communicate with folks coming from urban states where guns mean different things than they do in Vermont where it’s used for hunting,” said Sanders, clarifying that he would continue to defend his home state’s hunting tradition but would oppose gun rights for people living in an urban area.

    The Washington Post notes that the previously pro-gun Sanders won his first House seat with the help of an endorsement from the National Rifle Association.

    In a May op-ed criticizing Sanders’ votes in favor of gun rights, Slate’s Mark Joseph Stern wrote, “Sanders, an economic populist and middle-class pugilist, doesn’t talk much about guns on the campaign trail. But his voting record paints the picture of a legislator who is both skeptical of gun control and invested in the interests of gun owners—and manufacturers. In 1993, then-Rep. Sanders voted against the Brady Act, which mandated federal background checks for gun purchasers and restricted felons’ access to firearms. As a senator, Sanders supported bills to allow firearms in checked bags on Amtrak trains and block funding to any foreign aid organization that registered or taxed Americans’ guns. Sanders is dubious that gun control could help prevent gun violence, telling one interviewer after Sandy Hook that ‘if you passed the strongest gun control legislation tomorrow, I don’t think it will have a profound effect on the tragedies we have seen.’”
    http://truthinmedia.com/bernie-sanders-calls-for-sweeping-gun-ban-that-would-outlaw-all-self-defense-firearms/

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    Bernie Sanders Calls for Sweeping Gun Ban That Would Outlaw All Self-Defense Firearms
    Senator Bernie Sanders, who represents vehemently pro-gun Vermont, has built a fairly firearms friendly voting record during his time in the U.S. Senate. After he recently emerged as the 2016 presidential race’s standard-bearer for the Democratic Party’s progressive wing, progressive politicos who oppose gun rights began to complain about Sanders’ record on guns. In an apparent primary-season about-face on Sunday’s episode of NBC’s Meet the Press, Sanders radically adjusted his position on guns and advocated for a sweeping gun ban that would outlaw most firearms designed for home and self defense.

    In the above-embedded clip from Meet the Press, which is featured on Bernie Sanders’ YouTube channel, he said, “Nobody should have a gun who has a criminal background, who’s involved in domestic abuse situations. People should not have guns who are going to hurt other people, who are unstable. And second of all I believe that we need to make sure that certain types of guns used to kill people, exclusively, not for hunting, they should not be sold in the United States of America, and we have a huge loophole now with gun shows that should be eliminated.”

    While most of the positions that he advocated for on guns on Meet the Press fall within the mainstream of the Democratic Party, Media Research Center points out the fact that calling for a ban on all firearms “used to kill people” and “not for hunting” implies a ban on all weapons that are impractical for hunting but used primarily for self defense, including handguns, shotguns, and specific classes of rifles.

    “Coming from a rural state, I think I can communicate with folks coming from urban states where guns mean different things than they do in Vermont where it’s used for hunting,” said Sanders, clarifying that he would continue to defend his home state’s hunting tradition but would oppose gun rights for people living in an urban area.

    The Washington Post notes that the previously pro-gun Sanders won his first House seat with the help of an endorsement from the National Rifle Association.

    In a May op-ed criticizing Sanders’ votes in favor of gun rights, Slate’s Mark Joseph Stern wrote, “Sanders, an economic populist and middle-class pugilist, doesn’t talk much about guns on the campaign trail. But his voting record paints the picture of a legislator who is both skeptical of gun control and invested in the interests of gun owners—and manufacturers. In 1993, then-Rep. Sanders voted against the Brady Act, which mandated federal background checks for gun purchasers and restricted felons’ access to firearms. As a senator, Sanders supported bills to allow firearms in checked bags on Amtrak trains and block funding to any foreign aid organization that registered or taxed Americans’ guns. Sanders is dubious that gun control could help prevent gun violence, telling one interviewer after Sandy Hook that ‘if you passed the strongest gun control legislation tomorrow, I don’t think it will have a profound effect on the tragedies we have seen.’”
    http://truthinmedia.com/bernie-sanders-calls-for-sweeping-gun-ban-that-would-outlaw-all-self-defense-firearms/

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    “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people’s money. ”
    ― Margaret Thatcher

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    “You never want a serious crisis to go to waste,” Rahm Emanuel.
    “This crisis provides the opportunity for us to do things that you could not do before.”

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    Never waste a good crisis Hillary Clinton

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    When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty. Thomas Jefferson

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    “When you have made evil the means of survival, do not expect men to remain good. Do not expect them to stay moral and lose their lives for the purpose of becoming the fodder of the immoral. Do not expect them to produce, when production is punished and looting rewarded.”

    Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand

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    “Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas.” Joseph Stalin

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    A lie told often enough becomes the truth. Lenin

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    “Freedom is never more than one generation from extinction. We didn’t pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same. Or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children’s children what it was once like in the United States when men were free.” Ronald Reagan.

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    “One man with a gun can control 100 without one.” Vladimir Lenin

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    “Leave no authority existing not responsible to the people,” -Thomas Jefferson.

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    “It is true that liberty is precious; so precious that it must be carefully rationed.” Vladimir Lenin

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    NY Times Is Super Enthused For Massive Gun Registration Schemeshttp://www.thepiratescove.us/2016/05/31/ny-times-is-super-enthused-for-massive-gun-registration-schemes/

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    “Always mystify, mislead and surprise the enemy if possible.”
    Thomas J. Jackson

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    “From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.”
    Karl Marx

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    Top 10 Gun Safety Tips
    10. Always keep your gun pointed in a safe direction, such as at a hippie or communist.
    9. Dumb children may get a hold of your guns and shoot each other. If your children are dumb, put them up for adoption to protect your guns.
    8. No matter how responsible he seems, never give your gun to a monkey.
    7. If guns make you nervous, drink a bottle of whiskey before heading to the range.
    6. When unholstering your weapon, it’s customary to say “Excuse me while I whip this out.”
    5. Don’t load your gun unless you are ready to shoot something or are just feeling generally angry.
    4. If your gun misfires, never look down the barrel to inspect it. Have someone else do that for you.
    3. Never use your gun to pistol whip someone. That could mar the finish.
    2. No matter how excited you are about buying your first gun, do not run around yelling “I have a gun! I have a gun!”.
    1. And the most important rule of gun safety. Don’t piss me off!
    (Reprinted from a previous gun thread.)

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    Whoever claims the right to redistribute the wealth produced by others is claiming the right to treat human beings as chattel. – Ayn Rand

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    “Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property
    of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they
    put themselves into a state of war with the people,
    who are thereupon
    absolved from any farther obedience,
    and are left to the common refuge
    which God hath provided for all men against force and violence.” -John
    Locke

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    #CommonsenseCivilRightofArmedSelfDefense

    HRC pretty much made it clear that she’ll do everything she can to keep you from owning a gun [video] http://twitchy.com/jacobb-38/2016/06/05/hrc-pretty-much-made-it-clear-that-shell-do-everything-she-can-to-keep-you-from-owning-a-gun-video/ via @twitchyteam

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    Hillary WILL NOT say that individuals have a CONSTITUTIONAL right to bear arms!! http://therightscoop.com/hillary-will-not-say-that-individuals-have-a-constitutional-right-to-bear-arms/

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    “You can blow out a candle, but you cannot blow out a fire; once the flames begin to catch, the wind will blow it higher.” Peter Gabriel

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    “If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey, he is obligated to do so.” – Thomas Jefferson

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    If representatives betray their constituents, there is no recourse left
    but in the exertion of that right of self-defense… – Hamilton

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    Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it. – Thomas Sowell

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    The idea is quite unfounded, that on entering into society we give up any natural right. – Thomas Jefferson

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    Every government interference in the economy consists of giving an unearned benefit, extorted by force, to some men at the expense of others.
    Ayn Rand

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    “Always mystify, mislead and surprise the enemy if possible.”
    Thomas J. Jackson

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    “One man with a gun can control 100 without one.” Vladimir Lenin

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    “If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey, he is obligated to do so.” – Thomas Jefferson

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    If representatives betray their constituents, there is no recourse left
    but in the exertion of that right of self-defense… – Hamilton

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    Is The Mainstream Media Trying To Take Your Guns? Absolutely. Here’s Proof. http://www.dailywire.com/news/6862/mainstream-media-trying-take-your-guns-absolutely-james-barrett

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    Doug Ross @ Journal: Speaking in Mogadishu, Hillary Calls Confiscating … http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2016/06/speaking-in-mogadishu-hillary-calls.html?

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    Definition of confiscate
    1Take or seize (someone’s property) with authority:
    the guards confiscated his camera (as adjective confiscated) confiscated equipment
    Authorities also began confiscating firearms from civilians.
    It was the first time the authorities had confiscated vessels in their battle to clamp down on illegal fishing.
    If you violate the country’s camera use rules, they may confiscate your equipment and we have absolutely no recourse.

    Synonyms
    impound, seize, commandeer, requisition, appropriate, expropriate, take possession of, sequester, sequestrate, take away, take over, take, annex;
    Law distrain, attach, disseize;
    Scottish Law poind

    Origin
    Mid 16th century: from Latin confiscat- ‘put away in a chest, consigned to the public treasury’, from the verb confiscare, based on con- ‘together’ + fiscus ‘chest, treasury’.
    More
    The original meaning of confiscate was ‘to take someone’s property for the public treasury as a punishment’. It comes from Latin confiscare ‘to store in a chest’ or ‘to take something for the public treasury’, based on con- ‘together’ and fiscus ‘chest or treasury’, also the root of fiscal (mid 16th century).
    https://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/confiscate?

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    “How do you tell a communist? Well, it’s someone who reads Marx and Lenin.
    And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It’s someone who understands Marx and Lenin.”
    Ronald Reagan

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    Definition of WEAPON
    1: something (as a club, knife, or gun) used to injure, defeat, or destroy
    2: a means of contending against another
    Examples of WEAPON
    assault with a deadly weapon
    The pitcher’s slider is his most effective weapon.
    a new weapon in the fight against cancer
    The mayor’s campaign unleashed its secret weapon.
    Origin of WEAPON
    Middle English wepen, from Old English wǣpen; akin to Old High German wāffan weapon, Old Norse vāpn
    First Known Use: before 12th century
    Other Weapons and Explosives Terms
    automatic, carbine, cudgel, muzzle, rapier
    2weapon
    transitive verb
    Definition of WEAPON
    : arm
    First Known Use of WEAPON
    before 12th century
    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/weapon

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    “We want them registered” – Nancy Pelosi

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    “When you have made evil the means of survival, do not expect men to remain good. Do not expect them to stay moral and lose their lives for the purpose of becoming the fodder of the immoral. Do not expect them to produce, when production is punished and looting rewarded.”

    Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand

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    “One of the most dangerous errors is that civilization is automatically bound to increase and spread. The lesson of history is the opposite; civilization is a rarity, attained with difficulty and easily lost. The normal state of humanity is barbarism, just as the normal surface of the planet is salt water. Land looms large in our imagination and civilization in history books, only because sea and savagery are to us less interesting.” – C.S. Lewis

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    BREAKING: Michael Moore is still wrong about guns, war and most everything else http://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2016/07/12/breaking-michael-moore-is-still-wrong-about-guns-war-and-most-everything-else/ via @twitchyteam

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    “The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government – lest it come to dominate our lives and interests.” Patrick Henry

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    “Single acts of tyranny may be ascribed to the accidental opinion of the day; but a series of oppressions, begun at a distinguished period, and pursued unalterably through every change of ministers(administrators) too plainly proves a deliberate, systematic plan of reducing us to slavery.”
    Thomas Jefferson

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    “America is the most exceptional nation in the history of the world because our Constitution is the best political document that’s ever been written. It said something different than almost any other government had said before: Most governments before said that might makes right, that government decides what our rights are and that the people are just dependent subjects. Our Founders said that God gives us rights by nature, and that government is not the author or source of our rights. Government is just our shared project to secure those rights.”
    Ben Sasse

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    To see what is in front of one’s nose needs a constant struggle. – George Orwell

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    #BS #Biden #Biden/Obama’16
    #Colorado #Cruz
    #ComradeClinton #ComradeClinton Scandals
    #Confiscation
    #CommonsenseCivilRightofArmedSelfDefense
    #Destruction of Liberty via the TWL scam #Economy #Flashback
    #GlobalCooling #illegal Invasion
    #insanity #Islamic Invasion
    #Loss of Liberty #Muslim – Taqiyya
    #national Socialist Left # National Socialist Media
    #Obama #Obamacare
    #Socialism=FAILURE
    #Reference #Respond to later #Technology #Terrorism
    #Venezuela #Trump

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    “If socialists understood economics they wouldn’t be socialists.”
    ― Friedrich Hayek

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    The goal of socialism is communism.
    Vladimir Lenin

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    “The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield, and government to gain ground.” Thomas Jefferson

    “The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield, and government to gain ground.” Thomas Jefferson

    “The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield, and government to gain ground.” Thomas Jefferson

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    We should never forget that everything Adolf Hitler did in Germany was “legal” and everything the Hungarian freedom fighters did in Hungary was “illegal.” – Martin Luther King, Jr.

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    “The only reason for not tarring and feathering any government official for effrontery when they tell us what to do is that their power to do so is somehow legitimate. But that legitimacy comes from the exercise of constitutional power. If the Constitution doesn’t mean anything, well, then, maybe it’s time to go long on pitchforks. Because without the Constitution the angry mob is just as legitimate as the perfumed princes of the state.”
    Josh Blackman

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    A democracy is two wolves and a small lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Freedom under a constitutional republic is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.
    – Benjamin Franklin

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    If representatives betray their constituents, there is no recourse left
    but in the exertion of that right of self-defense… – Hamilton

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    Rep. Ellison: ‘There Are Meaningful Things We Can Do To Preserve Life…Ban These Handguns’
    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/eric-scheiner/rep-ellison-there-are-meaningful-things-we-can-do-preserve-life-ban-these

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    “A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only
    exist until a majority of voters discover that they can vote themselves
    largess out of the public treasury.”
    Alexander Tytler

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    “A hand from Washington will be stretched out and placed upon every man’s business; the eye of the Federal inspector will be in every man’s counting house… The law will of necessity have inquisitorial features, it will provide penalties, it will create complicated machinery. Under it men will be hailed into courts distant from their homes. Heavy fines imposed by distant and unfamiliar tribunals will constantly menace the tax payer. An army of Federal inspectors, spies and detectives will descend upon the state… Who of us who have had knowledge of the doings of the Federal officials in the Internal Revenue Service can be blind to what will follow?” – Richard E. Byrd, speaker of the Virginia House of Delegates, arguing against the 16th Amendment which authorized the Federal Income Tax

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    When a great truth once gets abroad in the world, no power on earth can
    imprison it, or prescribe its limits, or suppress it. – F. Douglass

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    BREAKING: Democrat Delegate Confesses Clinton Plot to Ban All Guns http://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/07/25/breaking-democrat-delegate-confesses-clinton-plot-ban-guns/ via @BearingArmsCom

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    Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it. – Thomas Sowell

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    Though not in substance, yet in form, the struggle of the proletariat with the bourgeoisie is at first a national struggle. The proletariat of each country must, of course, first of all settle matters with its own bourgeoisie.

    Karl Marx, The Communist Manifesto
    II. BOURGEOIS AND PROLETARIANS Page 22.
    http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-tools/the-communist-manifesto-original-text-t3022.html

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    Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. – Robert Heinlein

    Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. – Robert Heinlein

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    “Always mystify, mislead and surprise the enemy if possible.”
    Thomas J. Jackson

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    “One man with a gun can control 100 without one.” Vladimir Lenin

    “One man with a gun can control 100 without one.” Vladimir Lenin

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    Society in every state is a blessing, but government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one; for when we suffer or are exposed to the same miseries by a government, which we might expect in a country without government, our calamity is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer.” – Thomas Paine, Common Sense 1776

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    “Always mystify, mislead and surprise the enemy if possible.”
    Thomas J. Jackson

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    “If you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance for survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.” — Winston Churchill

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    #Confiscation
    #CommonsenseCivilRightofArmedSelfDefense

    Hillary Clinton: ‘I’m Not Here to Take Away Your Guns’ http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/hillary-clinton-im-not-here-take-away-your-guns

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    The goal of socialism is communism.
    Vladimir Lenin

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    “The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield, and government to gain ground.” Thomas Jefferson

    “The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield, and government to gain ground.” Thomas Jefferson

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    “The difference between a welfare state and a totalitarian state is a matter of time.”
    Ayn Rand

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    Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. – Robert Heinlein

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    “If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey, he is obligated to do so.” – Thomas Jefferson

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    Definition of confiscate
    1Take or seize (someone’s property) with authority:
    the guards confiscated his camera (as adjective confiscated) confiscated equipment
    Authorities also began confiscating firearms from civilians.
    It was the first time the authorities had confiscated vessels in their battle to clamp down on illegal fishing.
    If you violate the country’s camera use rules, they may confiscate your equipment and we have absolutely no recourse.

    Synonyms
    impound, seize, commandeer, requisition, appropriate, expropriate, take possession of, sequester, sequestrate, take away, take over, take, annex;
    Law distrain, attach, disseize;
    Scottish Law poind

    Origin
    Mid 16th century: from Latin confiscat- ‘put away in a chest, consigned to the public treasury’, from the verb confiscare, based on con- ‘together’ + fiscus ‘chest, treasury’.
    More
    The original meaning of confiscate was ‘to take someone’s property for the public treasury as a punishment’. It comes from Latin confiscare ‘to store in a chest’ or ‘to take something for the public treasury’, based on con- ‘together’ and fiscus ‘chest or treasury’, also the root of fiscal (mid 16th century).
    https://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/confiscate?

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    Watch As People Who Know Nothing About Guns Sign a Petition to Take Them From You | RedState http://www.redstate.com/brandon_morse/2016/08/19/watch-people-know-nothing-guns-sign-petition-take/.

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    “Never Forget, even for an instant, that the one and only reason anybody has for taking your gun away is to make you weaker than he is, so he can do something to you that you wouldn’t allow him to do if you were equipped to prevent it. This goes for burglars, muggers, and rapists, and even more so for policemen, bureaucrats, and politicians.”
    -Alexander Hope, from the novel “Hope” by L. Neil Smith and Aaron Zelman

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    Life is tough, but it’s tougher when you’re stupid. John Wayne

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    “Single acts of tyranny may be ascribed to the accidental opinion of the day; but a series of oppressions, begun at a distinguished period, and pursued unalterably through every change of ministers(administrators) too plainly proves a deliberate, systematic plan of reducing us to slavery.”
    Thomas Jefferson

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    #CommonsenseCivilRightofArmedSelfDefense
    The Second Amendment: How Does It Work? Progressives Have No Idea http://thefederalist.com/2016/08/19/the-second-amendment-how-does-it-work-progressives-have-no-idea/

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    To see what is in front of one’s nose needs a constant struggle. – George Orwell

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    “America is the most exceptional nation in the history of the world because our Constitution is the best political document that’s ever been written. It said something different than almost any other government had said before: Most governments before said that might makes right, that government decides what our rights are and that the people are just dependent subjects. Our Founders said that God gives us rights by nature, and that government is not the author or source of our rights. Government is just our shared project to secure those rights.”
    Ben Sasse

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    #CommonsenseCivilRightofArmedSelfDefense

    #Confiscation
    “The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield, and government to gain ground.” Thomas Jefferson

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    “America is the most exceptional nation in the history of the world because our Constitution is the best political document that’s ever been written. It said something different than almost any other government had said before: Most governments before said that might makes right, that government decides what our rights are and that the people are just dependent subjects. Our Founders said that God gives us rights by nature, and that government is not the author or source of our rights. Government is just our shared project to secure those rights.”
    Ben Sasse

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    Society in every state is a blessing, but government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one; for when we suffer or are exposed to the same miseries by a government, which we might expect in a country without government, our calamity is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer.” – Thomas Paine, Common Sense 1776

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    The goal of socialism is communism.
    Vladimir Lenin

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    #Venezuela’s gun confiscation should be a wake-up call to pro-gun Americans https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/08/venezuelas-gun-confiscation-should-be-a-wake-up-call-to-pro-gun-americans #SOSVzla #GunSense≠sense#2a

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    A democracy is two wolves and a small lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Freedom under a constitutional republic is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.
    – Benjamin Franklin

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    #CommonsenseCivilRightofArmedSelfDefense
    #Confiscation

    “If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey, he is obligated to do so.” – Thomas Jefferson

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    “He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression.” – Thomas Paine

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    “He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression.” – Thomas Paine

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    Society in every state is a blessing, but government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one; for when we suffer or are exposed to the same miseries by a government, which we might expect in a country without government, our calamity is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer.” – Thomas Paine, Common Sense 1776

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    The fact speak for themselves. Demosthenes

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    “He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression.” – Thomas Paine

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    Every government interference in the economy consists of giving an unearned benefit, extorted by force, to some men at the expense of others.
    Ayn Rand

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    “The only reason for not tarring and feathering any government official for effrontery when they tell us what to do is that their power to do so is somehow legitimate. But that legitimacy comes from the exercise of constitutional power. If the Constitution doesn’t mean anything, well, then, maybe it’s time to go long on pitchforks. Because without the Constitution the angry mob is just as legitimate as the perfumed princes of the state.”
    Josh Blackman

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    #CommonsenseCivilRightofArmedSelfDefense
    #Confiscation

    “If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey, he is obligated to do so.” – Thomas Jefferson

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    #CommonsenseCivilRightofArmedSelfDefense
    #Confiscation

    “If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey, he is obligated to do so.” – Thomas Jefferson

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    “The rights of every man are diminished when the rights of one man are threatened.” President John F. Kennedy

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    Never waste a good crisis Hillary Clinton
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    “Baghdad Bob” Ferguson Pushes For “Assault Weapon” Ban In Washington State http://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/09/08/baghdad-bob-ferguson-pushes-assault-weapon-ban-washington-state/ via @BearingArmsCom

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    “He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression.” – Thomas Paine

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    Never waste a good crisis Hillary Clinton
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    #Reference

    #CommonsenseCivilRightofArmedSelfDefense
    Young, Dumb and armed
    How Melbourne became a gun city
    http://www.theage.com.au/interactive/2016/gun-city/day1.html

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    #Confiscation
    #CommonsenseCivilRightofArmedSelfDefense

    While Hillary Is Recovering From Her Collapse, Her “Australian Model” Gun Control is Collapsing “Down Under” http://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/09/14/hillary-recovering-collapse-australian-model-gun-control-collapsing/ via @BearingArmsCom

    While Hillary Is Recovering From Her Collapse, Her “Australian Model” Gun Control is Collapsing “Down Under”
    While campaigning earlier this year, a pre-collapse Hillary Clinton espoused support for the mandatory gun registration and and confiscation scheme forced on the Australian people 20 years ago after the Port Arthur massacre.

    The thing is, Australia’s gun control scheme simply isn’t working. Actually, that’s not accurate. It’s not only “not working,” it’s an utter train wreck.

    The facts are chilling and compelling. In as little as five years, gun crimes have more than doubled. Some very dangerous people are involved; in 2015 alone, more than 750 people with serious criminal convictions were caught carrying guns. That’s up a staggering five times since 2011. Shootings have literally become a weekly event. Crimes related to firearm possession have more than doubled in the past five years. The number of young criminals has rocketed; almost 1500 people aged between 20 and 34 committed a gun offence last year, more than twice the number five years ago. A culture of carrying, and using, guns is becoming worryingly entrenched in criminal circles.

    Gun control only affects those people who hold the opinion that their government is legitimate and that the laws they pass should be obeyed. That’s more of a double-edged sword than people commonly realize.

    Violent criminals view firearms as a necessary tool of the trade, and they will not obey any gun laws simply as a matter of who they are. Gun laws are therefore ineffective in stopping them. If anything, these laws encourage criminals to horde firearms, as they then have increased power over law-abiding citizens.

    And there’s the rub.

    When law-abiding citizens discover that laws serve to help criminals and hurt good people, they then begin to devalue not just the laws, but the legitimacy of government itself.

    They then start questioning the government and the laws, and begin to adhering to laws much more subjectively. Eventually, it leads to an “Irish Democracy“, where millions of ordinary people decide that their government simply isn’t relevant… and then when enough feel that way, they effectively aren’t.

    Then governments fall.
    http://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/09/14/hillary-recovering-collapse-australian-model-gun-control-collapsing/

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    “The only reason for not tarring and feathering any government official for effrontery when they tell us what to do is that their power to do so is somehow legitimate. But that legitimacy comes from the exercise of constitutional power. If the Constitution doesn’t mean anything, well, then, maybe it’s time to go long on pitchforks. Because without the Constitution the angry mob is just as legitimate as the perfumed princes of the state.”
    Josh Blackman

    USA news

    9 months Dec 2015

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    #Confiscation
    #Reference
    Court Judge: ‘No One Should Have’ Guns – ‘Not Police, Not Security’ http://www.cnsnews.com/blog/eric-scheiner/ore-judge-no-one-should-have-guns-not-police-not-security

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    Racism is the lowest, most crudely primitive form of collectivism. It is the notion of ascribing moral, social or political significance to a man’s genetic lineage — the notion that a man’s intellectual and characterological traits are produced and transmitted by his internal body chemistry. Which means, in practice, that a man is to be judged, not by his own character and actions, but by the characters and actions of a collective of ancestors. “Racism”
    by Ayn Rand(An article published in the September, 1963 issue of The Objectivist Newsletter
    and included as a chapter in the book, The Virtue of Selfishness )

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    “Always mystify, mislead and surprise the enemy if possible.”
    Thomas J. Jackson

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    #Confiscation
    #CommonsenseCivilRightofArmedSelfDefense

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    #Confiscation
    #CommonsenseCivilRightofArmedSelfDefense

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    “Always mystify, mislead and surprise the enemy if possible.”
    Thomas J. Jackson

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    “Always mystify, mislead and surprise the enemy if possible.”
    Thomas J. Jackson

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    Life is tough, but it’s tougher when you’re stupid. John Wayne

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    “Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our
    inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the
    state of facts and evidence.”
    John Adams

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    I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. Martin Luther King

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    Hillary’s Moronic Gun-Grab to Stop Terrorism http://politichicks.com/?p=42886 via @ThePolitiChicks

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    “I Respect The Second Amendment, But…” Clinton’s Views On Gun Control Are Most Radical Ever http://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/10/10/respect-second-amendment-clintons-views-gun-control-radical-ever/ via @BearingArmsCom

    “I Respect The Second Amendment, But…” Clinton’s Views On Gun Control Are Most Radical Ever
    Democrat Presidential candidate made it very clear last night that she intends to put anti-gun Justices on the Supreme Court if she is elected President.

    Hillary Clinton vowed Sunday evening that she would nominate Supreme Court justices who agree with her on the need for stricter gun laws.

    “I respect the Second Amendment, but I believe that there should be comprehensive background checks,” the Democratic nominee said Sunday, “and we should close the gun show loophole and close the online loophole we have to save as many lives as we possibly can.”

    There is, of course, no “gun shop loophole.”

    Gun dealers (federal firearms licensees, or FFLs) are required to conduct background checks wherever they sell firearms, including at gun shows.

    Likewise, there is no “online loophole” due to the same federal laws.

    Firearms purchased “online” only have the money transferred online. The guns themselves must be shipped to a gun dealer, who must conduct a background check before transferring the gun to the would-be purchaser.

    What Clinton wants is to outlaw the private sale or transfer (including borrowing) of firearms between law-abiding citizens, including friends and family members.

    The real purpose behind “universal” background checks is a de facto gun registration scheme. By imposing a requirement that all transfers must go through the federal government, databases would establish precisely who has firearms in the United States, and what kind, in blatant violation of federal law.

    http://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/10/10/respect-second-amendment-clintons-views-gun-control-radical-ever/

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    “If you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance for survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.” — Winston Churchill

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    “You need only reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating the very phrases which our founding fathers used in their struggle for independence.”
    Charles A. Beard, Historian (1874-1948)

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/betsy-goes-gun-grabbin_us_57f6d7d6e4b0d786aa52adcd

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    #Confiscation
    The Huffington Post Is Now Actively Encouraging Felony Gun Theft http://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/10/12/huffington-post-now-active-encouraging-felony-gun-theft/ via @BearingArmsCom

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    Federalist Papers No. 45, James Madison, the Father of the Constitution, wrote: “The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation and foreign commerce.”

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    Isaiah 10:1 Woe to those who make unjust laws, to those who issue oppressive decrees.

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    “Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt” — Mark Twain

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    The fact speak for themselves. Demosthenes

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    LA Times Editors Call For Banning All Guns In The United States http://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/10/24/la-times-editors-call-banning-guns-united-states/ via @BearingArmsCom

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    “You can blow out a candle, but you cannot blow out a fire; once the flames begin to catch, the wind will blow it higher.” Peter Gabriel

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    You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.
    Abraham Lincoln

    “The thing worse than rebellion is the thing that causes rebellion.” – Frederick Douglass

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    Michigan Democrats Are Proposing An Assault Weapon Ban Bill, Here’s What You Need To Know http://bearingarms.com/ba-s/2016/11/02/161102/ via @BearingArmsCom

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    California Insider Says an “All-Out Semi-Auto Long Rifle Ban” is Coming http://bearingarms.com/jenn-j/2016/12/22/california-insider-says-all-out-semi-auto-ban-is-coming/ via @BearingArmsCom

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    Struggling website posts something dumb and "edgy" to try to generate post-Christmas traffic. https://t.co/pKazPtvJTx— Erick Erickson (@EWErickson) December 26, 2016

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    You cannot have a proud and chivalrous spirit if your conduct is mean and paltry; for whatever a man’s actions are, such must be his spirit. Demosthenes, Third Olynthiac

    “You cannot have a proud and chivalrous spirit if your conduct is mean and paltry; for whatever a man’s actions are, such must be his spirit.” Demosthenes, Third Olynthiac

    “You cannot have a proud and chivalrous spirit if your conduct is mean and paltry; for whatever a man’s actions are, such must be his spirit.” Demosthenes, Third Olynthiac

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    #Confiscation

    Concentrated power has always been the enemy of liberty – Ronald Reagan

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    You cannot have a proud and chivalrous spirit if your conduct is mean and paltry; for whatever a man’s actions are, such must be his spirit. Demosthenes, Third Olynthiac

    “You cannot have a proud and chivalrous spirit if your conduct is mean and paltry; for whatever a man’s actions are, such must be his spirit.” Demosthenes, Third Olynthiac

    “You cannot have a proud and chivalrous spirit if your conduct is mean and paltry; for whatever a man’s actions are, such must be his spirit.” Demosthenes, Third Olynthiac

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    “If taxation without consent is not robbery, then any band of robbers have only to declare themselves a government, and all their robberies are legalized.” – Lysander Spooner

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    “Contrary to popular opinion, the Constitution was not – and is not – a grant of rights to the citizenry. Instead, the Constitution is a “barbed-wire entanglement” designed to interfere with, restrict, and impede government officials in the exercise of political power.” – Jacob Hornberger

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    “It is bad luck to be superstitious.” – Andrew W. Mathis

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    “Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our
    inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the
    state of facts and evidence.”
    John Adams

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    1 Anarcho-syndicalism
    2 Bolshevism
    3 Castroism
    4 Centralism
    5 Communism
    6 common ownership
    7 collectivism
    8 cooperative society
    9 collective ownership
    10 communalism
    11Diggers
    12 Fabianism
    13 Fascism
    14 Guild socialism
    15 heteronomy
    16 kolkhoz
    17 Leftist
    18 Leninism
    19 Liberalism
    20 Managed economy
    23 Maoism
    24 Marxism
    25 Marxist-Leninism,
    26 National Socialism
    27 Neofascism
    28 Ochlocracy
    29 Phalansterism
    30 Progressivism
    31 Project X
    32 Public ownership
    33 Rule of the proletariat
    34 Social justice
    35 Stalinism
    36 Statism
    37 State ownership
    38 Syndicalism
    39 Totalitarianism
    40 Trotskyism
    41 Utopian Socialism

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    MYTH BUSTED: Actually, Yes, Hitler Was a Socialist Liberal http://louderwithcrowder.com/myth-busted-actually-yes-hitler-was-a-socialist-liberal/ via @scrowder

    MYTH BUSTED: Actually, Yes, Hitler Was a Socialist Liberal
    A favorite tactic employed by leftists is to describe the Nazis as “right wing,” with Adolf Hitler, their leader, as the grand leader of this “right wing” movement. Rewriting history is pretty common for leftists, as their history is littered with injustice (the KKK was founded by Democrats, did you know?). Injustices they claim to fight against today. Awkward.

    Adolf Hitler wasn’t “right wing.” If you take nothing else from this post, just remember Hitler was a socialist. With terrible facial hair. There’s an easy way to remember it, too. NAZI stands for National Socialist German Workers‘ Party. Associate it with blunt mustaches.

    What does National Socialist German Worker’s Party mean? Glad you asked. Is it different from “Democratic socialism”? Only in semantics. A Democracy is mob rule, which is why America is actually a constitutional, representative republic, NOT a democracy. A representative republic protects the minority from the majority, whereas a democracy is the rule of the majority. Leftists get caught up in words, getting tripped up over “National Socialism” as opposed to “Democrat Socialism.” But it’s just that. Semantics. So when Hitler ginned up hatred for the Jews, he could get the mob to agree with him. He could get the mob to believe him. There were no representatives to stop Hitler. He was one man helming the desperation of a majority of people. Spot the difference?

    When we examine Hitler’s Nazi Germany through the lens of history, most, if not all of us, think of the Holocaust. In fact the holocaust might be the only thing we associate with Hitler’s Nazis. We’ve all been told of the Jews being marched off to death camps where they were worked, tortured, then gassed. We’ve also heard of the experiments conducted by Hitler’s Dr. Mengele. All terrible practices which we rightly find horrifying. Unless you’re one of those people who think Planned Parenthood is great.

    What we don’t often hear or learn about is how Hitler ruled the rest of Germany, what his domestic policies were for the German people he didn’t march off to death camps. Hitler’s domestic, socialist policies will be the focus of this post. Trigger warning: they’re eerily similar to what American Democrats tout today. Double trigger warning? He initially had the support of the mob of people. So replace many of Hitler’s policies with something you hear from Bernie Sanders…
    [..]
    Employment for All
    After that depression, Hitler made a huge promise to his people: employment for all. How did he do it?
    http://www.markedbyteachers.com/gcse/history/hitler-s-domestic-policies-between-1933-1939-engaged-widespread-popularity-among-german-people-how-far-would-you-agree.html
    So Hitler created jobs…through government. While at the same time, he criticized certain segments of the population, demeaning them, blaming the countries woes upon them. The rich, they just ruin everything. Sound familiar?
    Big Education
    If you haven’t seen it yet, go watch http://louderwithcrowder.com/holocaust-survivor-draws-chilling-similarities-between-nazism-and-obama/
    […]
    The Police State
    If you dared oppose the Nazis or Hitler politically, especially with your words, you better watch out.
    http://www.ushmm.org/outreach/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007675
    In Conclusion

    Hitler was a horrible human being. But aside from how he treated the Jews, aside from his monstrous ways, his policies were anything but “conservative.” He wanted big government, he wanted big education, he wanted thought control. He hated political dissidents. He loathed free-speech. He feared an armed citizenry.

    So stop saying “Hitler was right-wing.” No, he wasn’t. If anything, he was a full-fledged left-winger. With a horrible mustache.
    http://louderwithcrowder.com/myth-busted-actually-yes-hitler-was-a-socialist-liberal/

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    Socialism….Origins
    The origins of socialism as a political movement lie in the Industrial Revolution. Its intellectual roots, however, reach back almost as far as recorded thought—even as far as Moses, according to one history of the subject. Socialist or communist ideas certainly play an important part in the ideas of the ancient Greek philosopher Plato, whose Republic depicts an austere society in which men and women of the “guardian” class share with each other not only their few material goods but also their spouses and children.

    Christianity and Platonism were combined in More’s Utopia, which apparently recommends communal ownership as a way of controlling the sins of pride, envy, and greed. Land and houses are common property on More’s imaginary island of Utopia, where everyone works for at least two years on the communal farms and people change houses every 10 years so that no one develops pride of possession. Money has been abolished, and people are free to take what they need from common storehouses. All the Utopians live simply, moreover, so that they are able to meet their needs with only a few hours of work a day, leaving the rest for leisure.

    More’s Utopia is not so much a blueprint for a socialist society as it is a commentary on the failings he perceived in the supposedly Christian societies of his day. Religious and political turmoil, however, soon inspired others to try to put utopian ideas into practice. Common ownership was one of the aims of the brief Anabaptist regime in the Westphalian city of Münster during the Protestant Reformation, and several communist or socialist sects sprang up in England in the wake of the Civil Wars (1642–51). Chief among them was the Diggers, whose members claimed that God had created the world for people to share, not to divide and exploit for private profit. When they acted on this belief by digging and planting on land that was not legally theirs, they ran afoul of Oliver Cromwell’s Protectorate, which forcibly disbanded them.
    The term socialist came into use about 1830 to describe these radicals, some of the most important of whom subsequently acquired the title of “utopian” socialists.

    One of the first utopian socialists was the French aristocrat Claude-Henri de Saint-Simon. Saint-Simon did not call for public ownership of productive property, but he did advocate public control of property through central planning, in which scientists, industrialists, and engineers would anticipate social needs and direct the energies of society to meet them.

    Another early socialist, Robert Owen, was himself an industrialist.
    Owen set out in 1825 to establish a model of social organization, New Harmony, on land he had purchased in the U.S. state of Indiana. This was to be a self-sufficient, cooperative community in which property was commonly owned. New Harmony failed within a few years, taking most of Owen’s fortune with it.

    Similar themes mark the writings of François-Marie-Charles Fourier, a French clerk whose imagination, if not his fortune, was as extravagant as Owen’s. Fourier envisioned a form of society that would be more in keeping with human needs and desires. Such a “phalanstery,” as he called it, would be a largely self-sufficient community of about 1,600 people organized according to the principle of “attractive labour,” which holds that people will work voluntarily and happily if their work engages their talents and interests. Fourier left room for private investment in his utopian community, but every member was to share in ownership, and inequality of wealth, though permitted, was to be limited.
    Other early socialists

    Other socialists in France began to agitate and organize in the 1830s and ’40s; they included Louis Blanc, Louis-Auguste Blanqui, and Pierre-Joseph Proudhon. Blanc, the author of L’Organisation du travail (1839; The Organization of Labour), promoted a scheme of state-financed but worker-controlled “social workshops” that would guarantee work for everyone and lead gradually to a socialist society. Blanqui, by contrast, was a revolutionary who spent more than 33 years in prison for his insurrectionary activities. Socialism cannot be achieved without the conquest of state power, he argued, and this conquest must be the work of a small group of conspirators. Once in power, the revolutionaries would form a temporary dictatorship that would confiscate the property of the wealthy and establish state control of major industries.
    https://www.britannica.com/topic/socialism

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    Fallacies of Argument
    A fallacy is a flaw in logic that occurs when making an argument. These happen frequently and can not only destroy an argument, but harm the credibility of the person making the argument.
    Ad hominem:
    Here, the writer attacks a person’s character, physical appearance, or personal habits instead of addressing the central issues of an argument. This type of attack sometimes comes in the form of character assassination (especially in politics). Before looking at a person’s character/personal traits rather than ideas and policies, one must be positive that those personal traits actually play a role in the argument. Otherwise, they are distracting and a way of evading the issue or distracting readers.
    Ex. You read in a music review that Lady Gaga can’t be taken seriously as a musical artist because of how she dresses.

    Keep in mind, however, that character/personality are sometimes relevant to an argument. For example, one could make a strong and logically sound argument against hiring a candidate who has a record of taking bribes to be in charge of the finance for a campaign.
    https://cstudies.ubc.ca/student-information/services/self-directed-writing-resources/argument/fallacies-argument

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    loaded question
    You asked a question that had a presumption built into it so that it couldn’t be answered without appearing guilty.

    Loaded question fallacies are particularly effective at derailing rational debates because of their inflammatory nature – the recipient of the loaded question is compelled to defend themselves and may appear flustered or on the back foot.
    https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/loaded-question

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    Digger
    English agrarian movement
    Digger, any of a group of agrarian communists who flourished in England in 1649–50 and were led by Gerrard Winstanley and William Everard.
    In April 1649 about 20 poor men assembled at St. George’s Hill, Surrey, and began to cultivate the common land. These Diggers held that the English Civil Wars had been fought against the king and the great landowners; now that Charles I had been executed, land should be made available for the very poor to cultivate. (Food prices had reached record heights in the late 1640s.) The numbers of the Diggers more than doubled during 1649. Their activities alarmed the Commonwealth government and roused the hostility of local landowners, who were rival claimants to the common lands. The Diggers were harassed by legal actions and mob violence, and by the end of March 1650 their colony was dispersed. The Diggers themselves abjured the use of force. The Diggers also called themselves True Levelers, but their communism was denounced by the leaders of the Levelers.
    https://www.britannica.com/event/Digger

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    “Participating in a gun buyback because you believe that the criminals have too many guns is like having yourself castrated because you believe that the neighbors have too many kids.” – anonymous

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    “America is the most exceptional nation in the history of the world because our Constitution is the best political document that’s ever been written. It said something different than almost any other government had said before: Most governments before said that might makes right, that government decides what our rights are and that the people are just dependent subjects. Our Founders said that God gives us rights by nature, and that government is not the author or source of our rights. Government is just our shared project to secure those rights.”
    Ben Sasse

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    DISTURBING! Gun Control Surrogate Wants to Abolish Guns…Except to Take Out Snitches https://bearingarms.com/beth-b/2017/02/21/abolish-guns-unless-snitches/
    #GunSense=NonSense #2a #NRA

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    Certainly one of the chief guarantees of freedom under any government, no matter how popular and respected, is the rights of citizens to keep and bear arms. This is not to say that firearms should not be very carefully used, and that definite safety rules of precaution should not be taught and enforced. But the right of citizens to bear arms is just one more guarantee against arbitrary government, one more safeguard against a tyranny which now appears remote in America, but which historically has proved to be always possible.

    Senator Hubert H. Humphrey,
    Comm.: Foreign Relations Minnesota
    http://www.gunsmagazine.com/1960issues/G0260.pdf

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    “Contrary to popular opinion, the Constitution was not – and is not – a grant of rights to the citizenry. Instead, the Constitution is a “barbed-wire entanglement” designed to interfere with, restrict, and impede government officials in the exercise of political power.” – Jacob Hornberger

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    Alabama Lawmaker, “We’re Not Against Gun Rights, But….” https://bearingarms.com/jenn-j/2017/02/24/alabama-lawmaker-were-not-against-gun-rights-but/ via @BearingArmsCom

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    The goal of socialism is communism.
    Vladimir Lenin

    The goal of socialism is communism.
    Vladimir Lenin

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    “If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey, he is obligated to do so.” – Thomas Jefferson

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    Wherever there is a jackboot stomping on a human face there will be a
    well-heeled Western liberal to explain that the face does, after all,
    enjoy free health care and 100 percent literacy John Derbyshire

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    Digger
    English agrarian movement
    Digger, any of a group of agrarian communists who flourished in England in 1649–50 and were led by Gerrard Winstanley and William Everard.
    In April 1649 about 20 poor men assembled at St. George’s Hill, Surrey, and began to cultivate the common land. These Diggers held that the English Civil Wars had been fought against the king and the great landowners; now that Charles I had been executed, land should be made available for the very poor to cultivate. (Food prices had reached record heights in the late 1640s.) The numbers of the Diggers more than doubled during 1649. Their activities alarmed the Commonwealth government and roused the hostility of local landowners, who were rival claimants to the common lands. The Diggers were harassed by legal actions and mob violence, and by the end of March 1650 their colony was dispersed. The Diggers themselves abjured the use of force. The Diggers also called themselves True Levelers, but their communism was denounced by the leaders of the Levelers.
    https://www.britannica.com/event/Digger

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    “Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all.” – Frederic Bastiat

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    CA Forced To Return 500 Guns After Incompetent DOJ Raid https://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2017/04/04/state-forced-return-500-guns-incompetent-doj-raid/ via @BearingArmsCom

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    Now and then the workers are victorious, but only for a time. The real fruit of their battles lies, not in the immediate result, but in the ever-expanding union of the workers. This union is helped on by the improved means of communication that are created by modern industry and that place the workers of different localities in contact with one another. It was just this contact that was needed to centralise the numerous local struggles, all of the same character, into one national struggle between classes. But every class struggle is a political struggle. And that union, to attain which the burghers of the Middle Ages, with their miserable highways, required centuries, the modern proletarians, thanks to railways, achieve in a few years.

    The Communist Manifesto
    II. BOURGEOIS AND PROLETARIANS Page 18.
    http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-tools/the-communist-manifesto-original-text-t3022.html

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    Your Socialist Zombie Survival Kit | FEE http://fee.org/articles/your-socialist-zombie-survival-kit/ via @feeonline

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    “There wasn’t a man voting for it who didn’t think that under a setup
    of this kind he’d muscle in on the profits of the men abler than himself.
    There wasn’t a man rich and smart enough but that he didn’t think that somebody was richer and smarter, and this plan would give him a share of his better’s wealth and brain.”

    “But while he was thinking that he’d get unearned benefits from the men above, he forgot about the men below who’d get unearned benefits, too. He forgot about all his inferiors who’d rush to drain him just as he hoped to drain his superiors. The worker who liked the idea that his need entitled him to a limousine like his boss’s, forgot that every bum and beggar on earth would come howling that their need entitled them to an icebox like his own.”

    “That was our real motive when we voted – that was the truth of it – but we didn’t like to think it, so the less we liked it, the louder we yelled about our love for the common good.”
    Atlas Shrugged, Ayn Rand

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    “Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property
    of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they
    put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon
    absolved from any farther obedience, and are left to the common refuge
    which God hath provided for all men against force and violence.” -John
    Locke

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    Michigan State Rep. Abdullah Hammoud Would Ban Guns Everywhere https://t.co/9tbXB6Sjmk pic.twitter.com/NjH6iQAhun— Tim Brown (@FPPTim) May 8, 2017

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    “Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force.” Marko Kloos Why the gun is civilization

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    Concentrated power has always been the enemy of liberty – Ronald Reagan

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    Michigan State Rep. Abdullah Hammoud Would Ban Guns Everywhere https://t.co/9tbXB6Sjmk pic.twitter.com/NjH6iQAhun— Tim Brown (@FPPTim) May 8, 2017

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    “If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey, he is obligated to do so.” – Thomas Jefferson

    “If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey, he is obligated to do so.” – Thomas Jefferson

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    “You can’t give the government the power to do good without also giving it the power to do bad – in fact, to do anything it wants.” – Harry Browne

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    “It doesn’t matter where you are coming from. All that matters is where you are going.” – Brian Tracy

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    Digger
    English agrarian movement
    Digger, any of a group of agrarian communists who flourished in England in 1649–50 and were led by Gerrard Winstanley and William Everard.
    In April 1649 about 20 poor men assembled at St. George’s Hill, Surrey, and began to cultivate the common land. These Diggers held that the English Civil Wars had been fought against the king and the great landowners; now that Charles I had been executed, land should be made available for the very poor to cultivate. (Food prices had reached record heights in the late 1640s.) The numbers of the Diggers more than doubled during 1649. Their activities alarmed the Commonwealth government and roused the hostility of local landowners, who were rival claimants to the common lands. The Diggers were harassed by legal actions and mob violence, and by the end of March 1650 their colony was dispersed. The Diggers themselves abjured the use of force. The Diggers also called themselves True Levelers, but their communism was denounced by the leaders of the Levelers.
    https://www.britannica.com/event/Digger

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    “Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all. We disapprove of state education. Then the socialists say that we are opposed to any education. We object to a state religion. Then the socialists say that we want no religion at all. We object to a state-enforced equality. Then they say that we are against equality. And so on, and so on. It is as if the socialists were to accuse us of not wanting persons to eat because we do not want the state to raise grain.”― Frédéric Bastiat, The Law

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    “The Founding Fathers knew a government can’t control the economy
    without controlling people. And they knew when a government sets out to
    do that, it must use force and coercion to achieve its purpose. “ Ronald
    Reagan

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    Adolf Hitler. Mein Kampf
    (English translation)
    TRANSLATOR’S INTRODUCTION

    Finally, I would point out that the term Social Democracy may be misleading in English, as it has not a democratic connotation in our sense. It was the name given to the Socialist Party in Germany. And that Party was purely Marxist; but it adopted the name Social Democrat in order to appeal to the democratic sections of the German people.

    JAMES MURPHY.
    Abbots Langley, February, 1939
    http://www.magister.msk.ru/library/politica/hitla002.htm

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    “A tax cut means higher family income and higher business profits and a balanced federal budget… As the national income grows, the federal government will ultimately end up with more revenues. Prosperity is the real way to balance our budget. By lowering tax rates, by increasing jobs and income, we can expand tax revenues and finally bring out budget into balance.”
    – John F. Kennedy

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    The Communist Manifesto after 100 years
    It is now 150 years since the Communist Manifesto was first published. Much has happened in the almost 150 years since this article* was written.
    [..]
    The first theoretical expression of a genuinely socialist position came in Thomas More’s Utopia, written in the early years of the 16th Century
    [1516]
    It was not until the English Civil War, in the middle of the 17th Century, that socialism first began to assume the shape of a social movement.

    Gerrard Winstanley (born 1609, died sometime after 1660) was probably the greatest socialist thinker that the English-speaking countries have yet produced, and the Digger movement which he led was certainly the first practical expression of socialism. But it lasted only a very short time, and the same was true of the movement led by Babeuf during the French Revolution a century and a half later. Meanwhile, quite a number of writers had formulated views of a more or less definitely socialist character.
    http://www.cpa.org.au/amr/38/amr38-06-communist-manifesto.html

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    “Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force.” Marko Kloos Why the gun is civilization

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    Mike Lee Penned An Op-Ed About The Obamacare Replacement Bill And You Need To Read It http://www.redstate.com/sweetie15/2017/06/24/mike-lee-penned-op-ed-obamacare-replacement-bill-need-read/

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    Bernie Sanders Accuses GOP of Conspiring to Commit Genocide https://shar.es/1BGdWT

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    Remember that California single payer plan? Yeah… never mind. http://hotair.com/archives/2017/06/24/remember-california-single-payer-plan-yeah-never-mind/

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    Bernie and Jane Sanders, under FBI investigation for bank fraud, hire lawyers
    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bernie-and-jane-sanders-under-fbi-investigation-for-bank-fraud-hire-lawyers/#

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    “Collectivism doesn’t work because it’s based on a faulty economic
    premise. There is no such thing as a person’s “fair share” of wealth.
    The gross national product is not a pizza that must be carefully divided
    because if I get too many slices, you have to eat the box. The economy
    is expandable and, in any practical sense, limitless.”
    – P.J. O’Rourke

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    #Confiscation
    Oregon Passes GOP Senator’s Bill Allowing Gun Seizure Order Without Gun Owner’s Knowledge http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/07/07/oregon-passes-gop-senators-bill-allowing-gun-seizure-order-without-gun-owners-knowledge/ via @BreitbartNews

    Oregon Passes GOP Senator’s Bill Allowing Gun Seizure Order Without Gun Owner’s Knowledge https://www.weaselzippers.us/347775-oregon-passes-gop-senators-bill-allowing-gun-seizure-order-without-gun-owners-knowledge/ via @weaselzippers

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    “You will never understand bureaucracies until you understand that for bureaucrats procedure is everything and outcomes are nothing.” Thomas Sowell

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    “Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force.” Marko Kloos Why the gun is civilization

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    Former Bloomberg Associate Reveals Gun Agenda via @Prepared Gun Owners
    http://preparedgunowners.com/2017/07/23/former-bloomberg-associate-reveals-gun-agenda/

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    “It doesn’t matter where you are coming from. All that matters is where you are going.” – Brian Tracy

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    VIDEO: New York Deputies Knock on Vietnam Vet’s Door, Confiscate Guns http://bit.ly/2uWg1w2
    #GunSense=NonSense #2a #NRA Boot @MomsDemand

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    NY Deputies Knock… http://rightwingnews.com/top-news/ny-deputies-knock-veterans-door-tell-hes-mentally-ill-confiscate-guns-wrong-video/ #GunSense=NonSense #2a #NRA
    Boot @MomsDemand from @Everytown

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    “How do you tell a communist? Well, it’s someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It’s someone who understands Marx and Lenin.” Ronald Reagan

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    Calif. Courts Seized Guns From 86 People Deemed “Immediate Danger” Under New Law http://freebeacon.com/issues/california-seized-guns-new-law/ #GunSense=NonSense #2a #NRA

    Calif. Courts Seized Guns From 86 People Deemed “Immediate Danger” Under New Law
    California courts ordered 86 people to temporarily give up their firearms last year, using a new law that allows for “gun violence restraining orders.”

    The law allows family members or law enforcement officers to seek such an order against someone they judge to be an “immediate and present danger,” the Sacramento Bee reports. The suspensions by default last 21 days, but in 10 cases were extended to a full year by a judge’s subsequent order.

    The legislation emerged in 2014, after a shooting spree claimed the lives of six in Isla Vista, Calif., where UCLA is located. While it received support from many, including parents of the victims, critics worried that the bill would allow officials to strip citizens of their guns without good cause, violating their constitutional rights.
    http://freebeacon.com/issues/california-seized-guns-new-law/

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    Another of those gun confiscations which we’re told never happens http://hotair.com/archives/2017/08/05/another-gun-confiscations-told-never-happens/

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    Proof That Gun Confiscation Fails
    http://preparedgunowners.com/2017/08/19/proof-that-gun-confiscation-fails/
    #GunSense=NonSense #2a #NRA
    Boot @MomsDemand from @Everytown

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    “Solve” and “Problems” are not in the constitution. – Doug Newman

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    “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.”—John F. Kennedy

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    “Let the Fourth of July always be a reminder that here in this land, for the first time, it was decided that man is born with certain God-given rights; that government is only a convenience created and managed by the people, with no powers of its own except those voluntarily granted to it by the people. We sometimes forget that great truth, and we never should. Happy Fourth of July.”
    Ronald Reagan

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    “Collectivism doesn’t work because it’s based on a faulty economic
    premise. There is no such thing as a person’s “fair share” of wealth.
    The gross national product is not a pizza that must be carefully divided
    because if I get too many slices, you have to eat the box. The economy
    is expandable and, in any practical sense, limitless.”
    – P.J. O’Rourke

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    Virgin Islands Governor Allows National Guard To Seize Guns, Ammo Ahead Of Hurricane Irma https://www.weaselzippers.us/355974-virgin-islands-governor-allows-national-guard-to-seize-guns-ammo-ahead-of-hurricane-irma/ #GunSense=NonSense

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    “You will never understand bureaucracies until you understand that for bureaucrats procedure is everything and outcomes are nothing.” Thomas Sowell

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    “Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all. We disapprove of state education. Then the socialists say that we are opposed to any education. We object to a state religion. Then the socialists say that we want no religion at all. We object to a state-enforced equality. Then they say that we are against equality. And so on, and so on. It is as if the socialists were to accuse us of not wanting persons to eat because we do not want the state to raise grain.”― Frédéric Bastiat, The Law

    https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/132893-socialism-like-the-ancient-ideas-from-which-it-springs-confuses

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    “It doesn’t matter where you are coming from. All that matters is where you are going.” – Brian Tracy

    “It doesn’t matter where you are coming from. All that matters is where you are going.” – Brian Tracy

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    Watch: Nancy Pelosi’s response to a law-abiding gun owner is a doozy
    http://www.theblaze.com/video/watch-nancy-pelosis-response-to-a-law-abiding-gun-owner-is-a-doozy/

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    Nancy Pelosi’s Response to a Law-Abiding Gun Owner Is a Doozy http://www.glennbeck.com/2017/10/05/nancy-pelosis-response-to-a-law-abiding-gun-owner-is-a-doozy/ #GunSense=NonSense #2a #NRA
    Boot @MomsDemand from

    Nancy Pelosi’s Response to a Law-Abiding Gun Owner Is a Doozy

    Not even a week after the Las Vegas tragedy, Nancy Pelosi was approached by a concerned citizen about the right to self-defense and Pelosi’s answer is just what you imagined it would be. It fell flat and made no sense whatsoever.

    “How does rendering me defenseless protect anybody else from a violent crime?” the young woman asked.

    The Minority Leader responded with a quip claiming, “No one is advocating that. We’re not talking about taking guns away from people. What we’re talking about is to make sure that people who have guns register and that there are background checks to prevent other people from being in harm’s way.”
    Source: http://www.glennbeck.com/2017/10/05/nancy-pelosis-response-to-a-law-abiding-gun-owner-is-a-doozy/?

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    .@NancyPelosi Hopes Ban on Bump Stocks Is a 'Slippery Slope' to More Gun Control https://t.co/9CdWAbeknM pic.twitter.com/wYpyjKnECv— Fox News (@FoxNews) October 7, 2017

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    And she just… blurted it out! Nancy Pelosi’s REALLY up front about Left’s gun goals https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2017/10/07/and-she-just-blurted-it-out-nancy-pelosis-really-up-front-about-lefts-gun-goals/ #GunSense=NonSense #2a #NRA

    And she just… blurted it out! Nancy Pelosi’s REALLY up front about Left’s gun goals
    Democrats have been trying to push back against claims that bans on bump stocks are just one step toward the Left’s ultimate goal of much stricter gun control or an all-out gun ban. Nancy Pelosi didn’t do much to counter claims that bump stock bans are just step one to a broader goal:
    .@NancyPelosi Hopes Ban on Bump Stocks Is a ‘Slippery Slope’ to More Gun Control http://bit.ly/2xmnrgH
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLd0quZXkAA6BLE.jpg
    And she just… blurted it out!

    JennyB @jennyb81112
    This is why you can’t give these people an inch. Their end game is gun confiscation
    8:22 AM – Oct 7, 2017

    https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2017/10/07/and-she-just-blurted-it-out-nancy-pelosis-really-up-front-about-lefts-gun-goals/

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    Since YouTube has deemed the subject of Belt loops as too dangerous a subject, we can turn to an official government document

    United States Patent 8,127,658
    Method of shooting a semi-automatic firearm

    Abstract

    A method for rapidly firing a semi-automatic firing unit (22) having a trigger (24), a receiver (21) and a barrel (23). The firing unit (22) is placed in a handle (20) so as to enable only reciprocating linear movement along a constrained linear path (P). The user grasps the handle (20) and places their trigger finger (74) firmly on a finger rest (70). In use, the user generates a forward activation force (200) that urges the firing unit (22) forwardly so that the trigger (24) collides with the stabilized finger (74), stimulating the first round of ammunition in the receiver (21). A recoil force (202) from the discharging ammunition pushes the firing unit (22) rearwardly so that the trigger (24) separates from the stabilized finger (74). The intensity of the forward activation force (200) can be varied by the user on-the-fly to proportionally change the firing tempo.
    [..]
    BACKGROUND
    2. Related Art

    Various techniques and devices have been developed to increase the firing rate of semi-automatic firearms. Many of these techniques and devices make use of the concept known as “bump firing”, which is the manipulation of the recoil of the firearm to rapidly activate the trigger. One such bump firing technique is known as the “belt loop” method. To execute the belt loop method, the operator first places the firearm next to his or her hip and hooks one finger through both the trigger mechanism and a belt loop in the his or her clothing. The opposite hand is placed on the hand guard, which is attached to the barrel of the firearm. When the firearm is pushed forward by the operator, the trigger is activated by the finger to discharge a bullet. The recoil from the bullet pushes the firearm backwards away from the trigger finger, allowing the trigger to re-set. Forward force must be applied to the hand guard in order to activate the firing mechanism for each round that is fired. However, this may be achieved in very rapid succession.

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    NYT’s Bret Stephens is either a useful idiot, a leftist appeaser, or a fake conservative, if he’s one at all – http://noqreport.com/2017/10/06/nyts-bret-stephens-either-useful-idiot-leftist-appeaser-fake-conservative-hes-one/

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    Yes, Government Tyranny Can Happen, And Yes, An Armed Citizenry Is The Best Deterrent http://www.dailywire.com/news/22002/yes-government-tyranny-can-happen-and-yes-armed-tyler-dahnke
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    There is no such dichotomy as “human rights” versus “property rights.”
    No human rights can exist without property rights. – Ayn Rand

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    “There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle.” – Albert Einstein

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    “How do you tell a communist? Well, it’s someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It’s someone who understands Marx and Lenin.” Ronald Reagan

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    “It doesn’t matter where you are coming from. All that matters is where you are going.” – Brian Tracy

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    Bill of Rights
    Amendment 1
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
    Amendment 2
    A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

    Amendment 4
    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

    Amendment 10
    The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

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    Amendment 9
    The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

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    Amendment 5
    No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

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    Amendment 4
    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

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    Amendment 2
    A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

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    Bill of Rights
    Amendment 1
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

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    “If you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance for survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.” — Winston Churchill

    “If you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance for survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.” — Winston Churchill

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    “One of the most dangerous errors is that civilization is automatically bound to increase and spread. The lesson of history is the opposite; civilization is a rarity, attained with difficulty and easily lost. The normal state of humanity is barbarism, just as the normal surface of the planet is salt water. Land looms large in our imagination and civilization in history books, only because sea and savagery are to us less interesting.” – C.S. Lewis

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    “We all declare for liberty; but in using the same word we do not all mean the same thing. With some the word liberty may mean for each man to do as he pleases with himself, and the product of his labor; while with others, the same word many mean for some men to do as they please with other men, and the product of other men’s labor. Here are two, not only different, but incompatible things, called by the same name- liberty. And it follows that each of the things is, by the respective parties, called by two different and incompatible names – liberty and tyranny.”
    Abraham Lincoln
    Source:April 18, 1864 – Address at Sanitary Fair, Baltimore, Maryland

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    “You can blow out a candle, but you cannot blow out a fire; once the flames begin to catch, the wind will blow it higher.” Peter Gabriel

    “You can blow out a candle, but you cannot blow out a fire; once the flames begin to catch, the wind will blow it higher.” Peter Gabriel

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