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Feb 17 2016

Trump’s Equivalent of Vietnam Service

Why would any veteran support Donald Trump as the next Commander in Chief? Unlike Ted Cruz, he has no interest in rebuilding the military. His leftist rhetoric regarding the Iraq War makes a mockery of those who fought in it. It is doubtful that many take his robotic and insultingly shallow “go vets” rhetoric seriously, or that they enjoy being exploited as props. It is still more doubtful that they respect his Vietnam service, or rather, what he has passed off as the equivalent:

Draft-dodger Donald Trump once said that the danger he faced from getting sexually transmitted diseases was his own “personal Vietnam.”

In a 1997 interview with shock jock Howard Stern, Trump talked about how he had been “lucky” not to have contracted diseases when he was sleeping around.

“I’ve been so lucky in terms of that whole world. It is a dangerous world out there. It’s scary, like Vietnam. Sort of like the Vietnam-era,” Trump said in a video that resurfaced Tuesday on Buzzfeed, “It is my personal Vietnam. I feel like a great and very brave soldier.”

As for the actual Vietnam,

When Trump had his chance to join the military and fight in Vietnam, he did not take it. Instead, the rich kid got multiple student deferments from the draft and a medical deferment. Meanwhile, men like John McCain were being tortured as prisoners of war, but Trump has said that is dishonorable.

“He’s not a war hero,” Trump said of McCain last year. “He’s a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren’t captured, OK?”

Despite or rather because of his contemptuous attitude, Trump thinks he can dupe vets into backing him.

Since running for office, Trump has made a show of fundraising for veterans—offering veterans groups six-figures to be props at campaign rallies. But when vets groups have stood up to him, refusing to be dragged into the campaign, scores of Trump fans have sent them vile and harassing messages.

The fundraising efforts are for show. As of Sunday, only three of the 22 groups he supposedly raised funds for had received any money. His site looks like a scam; The Federalist has reported that all funds donated “to help our Veterans” go to his personal foundation.

Before he was running for president, Trump treated vets even worse:

In the 1980s, Trump tried to have disabled veteran street vendors thrown off Fifth Avenue, accusing the Vietnam-era soldiers of ruining how the street in front of Trump Tower looked. Before his presidential campaign, Trump’s charitable foundation gave more to the Clintons than to veterans organizations.

But now that he is a candidate, he is bending over backward for the vets:

In July 2015, Trump announced that he would be setting up a hotline for veterans to share their stories about the need to reform the VA. Today, a call to the hotline leads merely to a voicemail box, which instructs the caller to send them an email.

We could do better for a Commander in Chief.

McCain and Trump, back in the day: quite the contrast.

On tips from Varla and Torcer.

  • Torcer

    Coburn: Trump-circulated quote attacking Cruz ‘absolute fabrication’ via @DCExaminer

    Coburn: Trump-circulated quote attacking Cruz ‘absolute fabrication’
    Former Sen. Tom Coburn is angry about being quoted in the latest Donald Trump attack on Ted Cruz.

    Coburn called the quote an “absolute fabrication.”

    As part of his never-ending criticism of Cruz, Trump’s Twitter feed retweeted and pushed a quote ostensibly from Coburn criticizing Cruz as “one of the most dishonest people” in Washington. Coburn never said this.

    During a phone interview with the Washington Examiner, the former Oklahoma senator fired back at Trump.

    “It’s an absolute fabrication. I’ve never said that, period,” Coburn told the Examiner. “It’s unfortunate he would use my name to say something dishonest. It’s a total fabrication.”

    “To me, it’s more of loose play with the truth and loose play with the words,” Coburn said.

    Trump retweeted his social media director Dan Scavino, in turn quoting Coburn talking about the Texas senator. “He is, without a doubt, one of the most dishonest people in D.C.,” read the quote Scavino attributed to Coburn. However, the quote appears to come directly from progressive website and writer Allen Clifton, who used the exact language to describe Cruz.

  • Torcer

    Trump STILL LYING about a fabricated quote to smear Ted Cruz HOURS after being caught on it!!

    Trump STILL LYING about a fabricated quote to smear Ted Cruz HOURS after being caught on it!!
    Today the Trump campaign just made up a quote supposedly from Senator Coburn calling Cruz a terrible liar. Plenty of people called him on it immediately and it’s been hours since they’ve been made aware that the quote is made up.

    And yet Trump is still talking about it as if it’s true, because truth doesn’t matter to the toupee’d totalitarian:

    Ironically, he’s actually trying to use the fake quote in order to mark Cruz as a liar.

    This was tweeted about five hours ago, and deleted:
    But he’s STILL talking about it at the rallies!!! Unbelievable.

    That’s a perfect Trump tactic – accuse someone loudly of something you’re doing, and hope you can shout them out. And the idiot press is too afraid to call him on it.
    Read more:

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  • Paladin

    You are blaspheming the prophet!!!


  • Xavier

    I don’t want to hear any references to “my little soldier”.

  • MAS

    Too late it seems. 😉

  • Dookiestain_LaFlair

    I’d rather have a leader that is smart enough to avoid a war than one that wants to sign up.


    Meanwhile Bathouse Barry surely made similar statement about his “time served” in Maui Hilton being serviced by the Hawaiian Gay Mafia. Surely “Charlie” was one of the thousands who took turns on the future presidential rectum.

  • Dookiestain_LaFlair

    That’s funny, seeing as Trump is the only one that will stop the Islamic cultural conquest of America. If fascism it what it takes to eliminate Islam, I’ve got my SS uniform ready to go.

  • Professor Hale

    “Why would any veteran support Donald Trump as the next Commander in Chief? ”

    For the same reason anyone else would vote for him.
    It’s a false and irrational assumption that all veterans will and should vote alike. it is irrational to assume that all veterans are wiser or more civic minded than non-veterans. It is irrational to assume that all vets will care first about national defense issues, or that their cares should be taken seriously, “because they served”.

    Vets are just like everyone else. They will select the person who best appeals to them on a range of issues that are individually important to them, even if that is Trump.

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  • MicahStone

    ” Trump talked about how he had been “lucky” not to have contracted diseases when he was sleeping around.”

    –FYI: Trump sold his old van to his pal Bill Clinton –who set new records in it almost daily !!!!

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  • TED

    Hmmmmmmmmmm, AGAIN, sounds familiar?!!

  • Nome Sane

    There’s nothing really wrong with Trump, except that he’s an inexperienced, self absorbed A-hole – exactly like Obama.

  • 762×51

    One cannot avoid war, one can only chose not to start war. If an enemy chooses to make war against you, the only way to “avoid” it is to surrender. Peace is not the opposite of war, it is the absence of war. Slavery is the opposite of war.

  • 762×51

    Your post implies that one form of fascism is better than a another form of fascism. Reality is that fascism is fascism, regardless of the basis for that fascism. Islamic fascism is no better or worse than National Socialist fascism or monarchical fascism or cult of personalty fascism. They are all the same and all equally bad.

    Trading freedom for any form of fascism is a civilization ending mistake.

  • Reverend Draco

    The only winning move is not to play. How about a nice game of chess?

  • Bucky Barkingham

    None of the current Presidential wannabe’s have prior military service.

  • trump our next president

    and what branch of the military was ted cruz in the canadaian army? Trey goudy is now calling out turd cruds campaign for saying he was supporting crud another lie like what he did to ben carson.

  • Paladin

    But MY fascism will be different. We just didn’t have the right people in charge last time.

  • 762×51

    There is literally no difference between the Obama zombies of 2008/2012 and the Trumppets of 2016. Both are personalty cult worshiping imbeciles who accept vague promises and substitute their own impressions onto the empty canvas of the candidate.

    Trump is selling Hope and Change, just like Obama did and you are free to insert your version of what that means. Of course it does not really mean what you want it to mean, a lesson only a total moron has not learned over the last eight years.

  • Mr. Freemarket

    We are already at war.

  • Mr. Freemarket

    Excluding, of course, the fact that many of the policies he favors are favored by Bernie Sanders.

  • Torcer

    Trump focusing on the important issues:

    Trump Says ‘Very Secret Papers’ May Show ‘Who Really’ Knocked Down World Trade Center via @WeaselZippers

    Trump Says ‘Very Secret Papers’ May Show ‘The Saudis’ Knocked Down World Trade Center | Mediaite

  • Torcer

    Who would the national socialist left love to run against in November?
    One of the curious aspects of the intensity of the primary season is that most forget that there is another side to contest. After all, the ultimate goal of the primaries is to have a party standard bearer that has chance against the Leftist tyrannical side of the aisle.

    With that said, it would be a very good exercise to examine what the national socialist left has done in the past as a way of discerning who they would prefer to compete against in the general election.

    So let us begin by looking at the memes and falsehoods they have a tendency to employ in their campaigns against the cause of liberty.

    War against [insert aggrieved minority group] meme preference for Vulgar disposition in the GOP candidate.

    Given the rampant success in their use of minority victim-hood memes, it is axiomatic that the national socialist left will once again trot out one of these aggrieved groups as part of their ticket.

    Comrade Clinton is the best example, but were the rule of law to prevail and the ticket to have a different composition, one can wager pound sterling to circular pastries that it will have someone of these groups either the top of the ticket or the VP slot.

    And while vulgar attacks against a person’s appearance don’t seem to matter for the primaries, and in some circles are even applauded, this will not be the case in the general election run-up.

    One inarticulate comment or remark and the National Socialist Media will be off to the races for days on end blotting out any attempts at discussions about polices matters.

    A series of these kinds of unguarded observations and that could be all that people discuss about the candidate leading to their ignominious failure in the election.

    Class Warfare meme – Preference for someone along the lines of Romney.

    From time immemorial, the national socialist left has sought to divide the population with envy and class warfare. So what better way to highlight this meme than having a bombastic bourgeois billionaire as their opponent? This with the added that bonus that said billionaire wanted to use the government to take people’s private property. What more could they ask for?

    Bernie Sander cannot go 5 minutes without talking about campaign finance reform and what better way would the be for them to flog on billionaires having undue influence on the political process?

    This would be Romney on steroids. Were this to be the GOP nominee, the national socialist left would hammer on this theme day and night

    Reality show star and a mansion sized closet full of skeletons.

    Again, we’re conducting a thought experiment about who the national socialist left would love to run against. In this case would they prefer someone who has a tabloid scandal background or someone who has had an above the board life?

    Would the prefer a strait laced personality or a presence on the reality show circuit?

    Erratic personality… progressive in conservative clothing.

    The final aspect to highlighted as to be the left’s preference consider that they have always had very good luck at playing off of an erratic personality. I submit that one key turning point in the history of the nation will be the point when McCain suspended his campaign during the financial meltdown of 2008.

    Do we really need a nominee who tweets out random thoughts and accusations and then has to walk them back?

    What better way to cast their opponent in a bad light than to characterize them as a flip floppier with endless loops of them debating themselves on video? Someone who has changed their party affiliation and their beliefs would be perfect for them in this regard.

    And for them it get even better since if all of their attacks fail and our candidate manages to get elected, they would at least have someone who is not as bad that they an deal with.

    Parenthetically, who would they prefer if they lost the contest .. a person who has changed their mind over the years or one who has not?

    Someone willing to make deals, one who is malleable to the circumstances

  • MicahStone

    -ICYMI: The reason behind Trump’s latest hysterical attacks on Cruz:

    “Ted Cruz overtakes Donald Trump nationally in latest Republican presidential poll ”
    “Texas senator leads businessman 28% to 26%, Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll finds”

  • Torcer

    Surprise: Trump Falls Behind Cruz in National NBC/WSJ Poll via @nbcnews

    Surprise: Trump Falls Behind Cruz in National NBC/WSJ Poll
    Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump has fallen behind Ted Cruz in the national GOP horserace, according to a brand-new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.

    In the poll, Cruz is the first choice of 28 percent of Republican primary voters, while Trump gets 26 percent. They’re followed by Marco Rubio at 17 percent, John Kasich at 11 percent, Ben Carson at 10 percent and Jeb Bush at 4 percent.
    The results from the poll — conducted after Trump’s victory in New Hampshire and Saturday’s GOP debate in South Carolina — are a significant reversal from last month, when Trump held a 13-point lead over Cruz, 33 percent to 20 percent.

    Republican pollster Bill McInturff, who conducted this survey with Democratic pollster Peter Hart and his firm Hart Research Associates, says Trump’s drop could signal being “right on top of a shift in the campaign.”

  • Deep North

    Smart move in not going to Vietnam. North Vietnam was not a threat to the United States. Today, why would members of the military vote for presidential candidates who will send them to fight in no-win wars? This country has not been threatened and won a war since 1945.

  • Deep North

    Go ahead and vote for the cucks. Conservatism has done nothing over the last 40 years to roll back big government. Vote for Cruz and watch as Republicans cut taxes and ramp up military spending further bankrupting this country.

  • 762×51

    Cut taxes?!?! You mean they would actually let people keep more of what they earned? Oh the humanity!!

    How can they ramp up military spending when there is no global threat to this country? That’s just silly. I’m sure those ISIS guys just need jobs, that’s all.

    Your childish names are meaningless and the reason that Conservatism has not been able to accomplish what it wants is because Conservatives haven’t been in power since 1988. An actual conservative has only held the presidency for 8 of the last 40 years, not much of an opportunity.

    The evidence that your system of taxing our way to prosperity has been the norm and it has failed miserably.

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  • Krummholzt

    Ah yes, Reagan, the guy who invented amnesty for illegals. Cuckservatism has failed; it is time to try something new.

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  • Nome Sane

    Perhaps because conservatives were barely in office for the last 40 years. Are you enjoying the debt and general mess the Democrats have made?

  • 762×51

    Like what jackass? Fascism?

    Reagan made a deal with the Progressive fascists that was his mistake. They promptly went back on their word which is what they intended to do all along. It is the evil Progressives that are the problem, not conservatism.

    As I told you earlier when you were trolling under a different screen name, Your childish name calling is meaningless. Tell you what, you graduate Jr. High and see if you can make all the way through High School. Then enlist and pull a couple of combat tours then come back and I might talk to you.

  • Deep North

    I’m not talking about taxing our way to prosperity. Maybe you missed the sentence where I wrote: “cut taxes and ramp up military spending further bankrupting this country”. Conservatives had the presidency, house and senate after 9/11 and the debt EXPLODED under Dubya. If we’re going to spend big on the military, then fine. Are you willing to pay for it instead of China?

  • Deep North

    No not really. I expect libtards to bankrupt this country; at least they’re honest about it. The debt exploded under Regan and Bush II and they expect us to vote for and believe in more of the same (Rubio, Cruz, Jeb). I voted for and wanted Ron Paul.

  • 762×51

    The military spending after the 9/11 attacks is completely understandable. W ramped up a bunch of social programs as well because he is Progressive.

    Killing the Islamic terrorists while they are still in the Middle East is infinitely preferable to killing them after they come here. Get rid of a few dozen useless alphabet agencies, BLM, TSA, IRS, Dept of Ed, EPA, come to mind and re-task those dollars for military spending or debt reduction as available in priority. The nation building bullshit should stop. We go in skull fuck the entire region and leave. No long drawn out battles or occupation which is where the majority of the blood and treasure wasted in those shit holes has gone. They aren’t ready for democracy plus there really should not be any survivors left to teach about democracy if done correctly.

    There, no new debt, no new taxes. Smaller government, fewer living enemies, people keep more of what they earn.

  • Deep North

    Agree, but kill them wisely. The fact is we are what, close to $20 trillion in debt, the game is already up.

  • 762×51

    I agree that the game is up economically. Watch what Putin doe in Turkey, Syria and Iraq in the next few weeks. Because of the mistakes of the Moonsiah, we are teetering on the brink of WWIII, all of this may be academic very shortly.

    NATO did nothing while Putin took Ukraine, if they do nothing when he attacks Turkey then NATO is over. The world becomes an order of magnitude more dangerous than it is now which an order of magnitude more dangerous than it was in 2009.

    Europe has bankrupted itself with socialism and is already sagging under the weight of a conquering army they invited in. America is in no position to fight a world war all by itself. All that is really happening and all the sheeple care about is the Kardashians.

    Yep, the game is up.

  • Deep North

    Let the Euro-weenies defend themselves from Russia if they have to. I don’t want to see any more white-on-white wars. Whites are becoming a global minority, so we should refrain from internal warfare and focus on the brown threat. Western Europe under NATO and American presence has become feminized and adopted the multicultural ideology of America.

  • 762×51

    Europe cannot defend itself against Russia, not in 1945, not today. Evil is evil, regardless of what skin color it’s wrapped in. I do not assign threat levels based on pigmentation, that is foolish.

  • Deep North

    People have fought each other based on “pigmentation” since day 1; that is to say people fight for tribe and family, something that’s real and tangible. Turkey, a Muslim country is a member of NATO. I would hate to see white countries fight each other in trying to defend a Muslim country as Russia and Turkey seem to be not getting along well these days.

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