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Mar 01 2016

Another Poll Confirms: Hillary Would Beat Trump, Not Cruz or Rubio

Here is why a vote for the Donald is a vote for Shrillary:

Both of the remaining Democratic candidates for president easily top Republican front-runner Donald Trump in hypothetical general election match-ups, according to a new CNN/ORC Poll.

But Hillary Clinton, who is well ahead in the Democratic race for the presidency, would likely face a stronger challenge should Florida Sen. Marco Rubio or Texas Sen. Ted Cruz capture the Republican nomination for president.

In the scenario that appears most likely to emerge from the primary contests, Clinton tops Trump 52% to 44% among registered voters. That result has tilted in Clinton’s favor since the last CNN/ORC Poll on the match-up in January.

But when the former secretary of state faces off with either of the other two top Republicans, things are much tighter and roughly the same as they were in January.

That is, Cruz or Rubio would win in a tight race.

All of these matchups would likely be less tight by the time we get to November. The media will have no trouble reducing Trump to an object of derision and contempt in the eyes of 80% of the public before the general election. But if the GOP runs a serious candidate, it will be harder to deflect attention from Shrillary’s legal problems and character flaws.

Choose wisely, Super Tuesday voters.

On a tip from Torcer.



  • Occam’s Stubble

    I’m a Cruz guy but I don’t think this is true. Trump would bring a much different dynamic to the race. If he manages to get 20% of the black vote, Hillary is toast.

  • Chocolate&Cheese

    If only Cruz would start campaigning. Where is he today? What is he saying?
    All we get is silence or 2 minutes hate against #1.

  • Chocolate&Cheese

    He’ll get a considerable amount of the black and hispanic vote. Cruz and Rubio(LOL) won’t get more than 5%

  • TED

    THE reason ALL the TROLLS are here pushing Trump!!

  • Chocolate&Cheese

    I haven’t seen any. What thread on they on?

  • Occam’s Stubble

    I’m sure Cruz or Rubio would garner the standard 35-40% of the Latino vote. I’d be surprised if Trump pulls that much.

  • Chocolate&Cheese

    I’ve seen some polling showing that Trump will pull that much. We’ll know more after the polls close tonight.

  • 762×51

    It has been clear in the votes already taken that 60 – 65% of Republicans do not support Trump. In the General election, his negatives are highest ever recorded, 60%.

    There is no way Trump can win a general election.

  • 762×51

    Look in the mirror.

  • Chocolate&Cheese

    Citing a CNN poll. LOL

  • TED

    I guess YOU would know…

  • TED

    ROTFLMAO!!

  • TED

    Since you liked the last one so much…

  • Chocolate&Cheese

    editing a comment after somone has responded to it is the height of dishonesty, unless it was just correcting a typo.

  • Chocolate&Cheese

    That was high-larious! hahahahahahahaha

  • TED

    AGAIN, I guess you would know. THIS is the email I received, NOT the one showing…. NEVER heard of capture programs…

  • TED

    And THIS comment is where it linked…

  • TED

    NO more TROLL food fuc-wit! 😎

  • Chocolate&Cheese

    I found him! Mr. low energy. Rally from yesterday.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sFFf9KGpug

  • Chocolate&Cheese
  • Torcer

    A Vote For Trump is a Vote For Hillary Clinton: Why Trump Is A Sure Loser | RedState http://www.redstate.com/dan_mclaughlin/2016/03/01/vote-trump-vote-make-hillary-clinton/

    A Vote For Trump is a Vote For Hillary Clinton: Why Trump Is A Sure Loser
    Do Not Choose To Lose
    Sometimes, losing is a choice. And if the Republican Party nominates Hillary Clinton donor and Clinton Foundation donor Donald Trump to be its presidential candidate, the choice to lose to Hillary will already have been made, and the only question will be how to manage the scale and collateral consequences of the defeat. Nobody should go to the polls Tuesday under the delusional impression that a vote for Trump is anything other than a choice to ensure that Hillary Clinton is the 45th President of the United States.
    [..]
    Head-to-Head National Polls
    Head-to-head general election polling during primary season is not the most reliable of indicators, but since we obviously can’t get post-primary polls until the primaries are over, it’s all we have in terms of polling evidence, so it’s as good a place as any to start. Here’s where the national general election polling averages stood as of this weekend:
    http://www.redstate.com/uploads/2016/02/rubio-trump-hillary-2-27-16-620×793.jpg
    You will notice not only that Trump trails Hillary by almost 3 points while Rubio leads her by almost 5, but also that Rubio has been steadily gaining ground on Hillary – he leads 12 of the last 14 polls (Hillary leads by 1 in the other two) and 15 of the last 20. Trump, by contrast, is flat-out lying when he claims to lead Hillary in every poll – out of 45 polls in RCP’s database, Trump leads Hillary in only 5, is tied in 2 others, and trails in 38 of them.
    Favorability Polls
    Besides head-to-head matchups, an early polling indicator to watch is favorable vs unfavorable ratings with voters, or “fav/unfav”. The more unpopular a candidate is, the harder it is to come back with undecided voters.

    RCP has Trump’s fav/unfav at 34.4 favorable, 57.8 unfavorable (-23.4), so far underwater that it would be nearly impossible to win. How bad are Trump’s numbers? Barack Obama at this point in 2008 was at 69.0 fav/23.0 unfav (+46).
    http://www.redstate.com/uploads/2016/02/trump-unfav-2-28-16.jpg
    Gallup, in a January poll, found that Trump – if nominated – would have the most unfavorable rating of any nominee from either party in the quarter century since it started polling the question,
    Head-to-Head State-By-State Polls
    Ideally, since Presidential elections are conducted at the state rather than national level, we could supplement our national polling with robust state-by-state poll averages.

    That said, the evidence we have from the state-level polling is consistent with the national polling: Rubio runs well ahead of Trump, winning states Trump loses, keeping close in states where Trump gets blown out. Of the 13 ‘battleground’ states where we have polling for both candidates, Rubio runs better than Trump in 11 of them, eight of those by 5 points or better, three by double digits (including New Hampshire, where Trump beat Rubio by 24 in the primary – a reminder that primary pluralities and general election majorities are two radically different things).
    #NeverTrump Polls
    A key problem Trump faces is the threat that a lot of Republicans (myself included) simply won’t vote for him in November. This, too, is a hard thing to measure at this juncture – when emotions are running high in a primary, it’s not that unusual to see people swearing they won’t vote for the nominee, then coming home in the fall.
    Could The Polls Be Wrong?
    Trump has also had the advantage of running against an all-male field that is less directly able to exploit his notoriously disrespectful and boorish treatment of women. Hillary Clinton, who is running mainly on her gender and whose greatest asset is the sympathy she engenders for putting up with Bill’s infidelities, couldn’t ask for a more perfect foil than a thrice-married serial adulterer.

    And that is before we get into Trump’s notoriously brittle temperament; we’ve seen him rattle badly at setbacks (losing Iowa) and provocations large (Rubio and Cruz going hard and personal at him in debates) and small (Megyn Kelly asking him questions). The one thing that keeps him out of full meltdown is his ability to recite his strong standing in the polls and his wins in primaries. But in a general election where he starts out behind, he will have that thrown constantly in his face instead.
    Choosing Defeat
    But even in light of everything that has brought us to this pass, there is no rational reason whatsoever to think Donald Trump will be able to beat Hillary Clinton, and every reason to think nominating him would throw away an election Republicans otherwise would have a very strong chance to win.

    Don’t do it. Don’t surrender. A vote for Trump is a vote to lose to Hillary. A vote for Rubio (or for Cruz) is a vote to defeat her. After 8 years of battles to get ourselves to the point where we might actually be able to beat the Democrats and do something with the victory, let’s not just choose to roll over lose on purpose.
    http://www.redstate.com/dan_mclaughlin/2016/03/01/vote-trump-vote-make-hillary-clinton/

    ,

  • Chocolate&Cheese

    H/T NWConservative
    There are primaries/caucuses in thirteen states slated to decide today. The results will start to flow in after the polls close:

    7 p.m. ET: Geor­gia, Ver­mont, Vir­ginia

    8 p.m. ET: Alabama, Mass­a­chu­setts, Okla­homa, Ten­nessee

    8:30 p.m. ET: Arkansas

    9 p.m. ET: Texas; Col­orado and Min­nesota cau­cuses begin

    12 a.m. ET: Alaska cau­cuses end; Wyoming cau­cuses (com­pleted)

    Cruz will need to win TX decisively if he is going to remain viable.

  • Chocolate&Cheese
  • Gee, another impartial CNN poll.

  • Torcer

    What is you explanation for Trump’s atrocious polling in the national election?

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  • Torcer

    Find out why these 16 celebrities and politicians support Sen. Ted Cruz for president
    http://www.teapartypatriotscitizensfund.com/find-out-why-these-16-celebrities-and-politicians-support-sen-ted-cruz-for-president/

    Find out why these 16 celebrities and politicians support Sen. Ted Cruz for president
    The number of celebrities and influencers coming out of the woodwork to support Ted Cruz’s bid for the White House keeps growing! Here are handful of those who have come out in support of the freshman senator from Texas:
    1. Justin Amash (R-Mich.)
    This liberty-loving congressman from the Great Lakes state recently endorsed Sen. Cruz in an opinion piece for the Independent Journal-Review
    2. Jim Bridenstine (R-Okla.)
    He endorsed Cruz early – in July 2015 – and in an opinion piece for Breitbart explained his reasons for throwing his support behind the senator
    3. Adam Carolla
    The comedian in April 2015 threw his support behind Cruz, excited the senator wants to abolish the IRS.
    4. R. Lee Ermey
    This American actor has no qualms hinting at who he’s voting for in 2016 …
    5. Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas)
    The Texas congressman says Sen. Cruz will get the country back on track!
    6. Rep. Tim Huelskamp (R-Kansas)
    7. Steve King (R-Iowa)
    8. Rep. Raul Labrador (R-Idaho)

    9. Mark Levin
    The conservative radio personality came up short of explicitly endorsing Ted Cruz but that’s what he suggested at a conservative gathering last month.
    10. Marcus Luttrell
    11. Medal of Honor recipient Dakota Meyer
    12. Rick Perry
    13. Phil Robertson
    14. Thomas Sowell
    15. Jack Welch
    The former General Electric CEO says Cruz isn’t Reagan but that he’ll take Cruz over the other presidential candidates.
    16. James Woods
    Sen. Cruz won this actor over with a single telephone call.
    http://www.teapartypatriotscitizensfund.com/find-out-why-these-16-celebrities-and-politicians-support-sen-ted-cruz-for-president/

  • Chocolate&Cheese

    The CNN poll? I haven’t seen the crosstabs.

  • Veritas100

    I understand how Cruz supporters feel – but if the choice comes down to Trump or Hillary – would you really want another clinton in the White House? I say NO FRIGGIN’ WAY!

  • Chocolate&Cheese
  • Torcer

    Is that your best excuse?

    What about all the other polls that show him LOSING?
    A Vote For Trump is a Vote For Hillary Clinton: Why Trump Is A Sure Loser | RedState http://www.redstate.com/dan_mclaughlin/2016/03/01/vote-trump-vote-make-hillary-clinton/

    A Vote For Trump is a Vote For Hillary Clinton: Why Trump Is A Sure Loser
    Trump, by contrast, is flat-out lying when he claims to lead Hillary in every poll – out of 45 polls in RCP’s database, Trump leads Hillary in only 5, is tied in 2 others, and trails in 38 of them.
    http://www.redstate.com/dan_mclaughlin/2016/03/01/vote-trump-vote-make-hillary-clinton/

  • Chocolate&Cheese

    The fact that we had a Bush and a Clinton in the race this year is sad. No dynasties!

  • Chocolate&Cheese

    Do you think a Clinton News Network poll of liberals actually means something?

  • Torcer

    Donald Trump’s Internet Brigade Troll Ted Cruz With Drop Out Rumor | RedState http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2016/03/01/donald-trumps-brigade-troll-ted-cruz-drop-rumor/

    Donald Trump’s Internet Brigade Troll Ted Cruz With Drop Out Rumor
    It is Super Tuesday. Today is critical because today is the day that America will choose whether or not it is Donald Trump who is in the cat bird’s seat to win the GOP nomination And Twitter and the Internet is all abuzz with rumors. The rumors have one thing in common: they are designed to hurt Ted Cruz, the only Trump opponent who might plausibly win a state today.

    The first one it that Ted Cruz has made a deal that he will drop out of the race in favor of Marco Rubio in exchange for a nomination to the Supreme Court. The source of this is long time Donald Trump adviser Roger Stone:
    You have to give Stone credit. He definitely knows where to go to to get his rumor volume revved up to eleven.

    There are also screen caps of alleged news stories circulating on Twitter saying that Cruz will drop out and endorse Trump.
    http://www.redstate.com/uploads/2016/03/fake-news-1.jpg
    http://www.redstate.com/uploads/2016/03/fake-news-2.jpg
    http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2016/03/01/donald-trumps-brigade-troll-ted-cruz-drop-rumor/

  • Torcer

    Again: What about all the other polls that show him LOSING?

    A Vote For Trump is a Vote For Hillary Clinton: Why Trump Is A Sure Loser | RedState http://www.redstate.com/dan_mclaughlin/2016/03/01/vote-trump-vote-make-hillary-clinton/

    A Vote For Trump is a Vote For Hillary Clinton: Why Trump Is A Sure Loser
    Trump, by contrast, is flat-out lying when he claims to lead Hillary in every poll – out of 45 polls in RCP’s database, Trump leads Hillary in only 5, is tied in 2 others, and trails in 38 of them.
    http://www.redstate.com/dan_mclaughlin/2016/03/01/vote-trump-vote-make-hillary-clinton/

  • Silence Dogood

    Trump will never win in the general election. Too many real conservatives will not vote for him and you MUST have the base to win. And that’s a fact…..

  • Chocolate&Cheese

    I’ve only seen one other poll showing him losing to Hillary. Sorry I don’t give RedState clicks. Erickson is a loser. I guess it’s troubling, but it is just wishcasting at this point in time.

  • Torcer

    So you can’t answer that question can you?

  • Torcer

    Here is a Direct link to those polls – what will your excuse be now?

    General Election: Trump vs. Clinton
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

  • Chocolate&Cheese

    If you actually read my response you would have seen that I said it was troubling. But polling at this point in time means nothing.

  • 762×51

    Hey, I found a high energy guy you can get behind. A really great orator who captivates audiences, has broad “mob” appeal with a Nationalist view, shallow, vague platform which hides his true agenda and enormous popularity. ALL the criteria you value so highly.

    Here is your perfect candidate. Just look at that energy!

  • Chocolate&Cheese

    I posted that link earlier. lol The other poll in there for TvsC was a local michigan poll.

  • Chocolate&Cheese

    How original!

  • Torcer

    1. You do not know whether or not I did that.
    2. It was only after your dodging of the question that you made the very limited statement.

    Chocolate&Cheese
    The CNN poll? I haven’t seen the crosstabs.
    edit: Ok, looked at the cross tabs. Those polled trust Clinton most on Health Care and foreign policy. Tells me all I need to know.
    https://disqus.com/home/discussion/moonbattery/another_poll_confirms_hillary_would_beat_trump_not_cruz_or_rubio/#comment-2546186484

    Chocolate&Cheese
    Do you think a Clinton News Network poll of liberals actually means something?
    https://disqus.com/home/discussion/moonbattery/another_poll_confirms_hillary_would_beat_trump_not_cruz_or_rubio/#comment-2546210875

    Chocolate&Cheese
    I’ve only seen one other poll showing him losing to Hillary. Sorry I don’t give RedState clicks. Erickson is a loser. I guess it’s troubling, but it is just wishcasting at this point in time.
    https://disqus.com/home/discussion/moonbattery/another_poll_confirms_hillary_would_beat_trump_not_cruz_or_rubio/#comment-2546233262

    Why did you dodge the question so many times?
    What exactly is ‘troubling’ about that?

  • Torcer

    And that proves what exactly?

    Chocolate&Cheese
    I posted that link earlier. lol The other poll in there for TvsC was a local michigan poll.
    https://disqus.com/home/discussion/moonbattery/another_poll_confirms_hillary_would_beat_trump_not_cruz_or_rubio/#comment-2546247400

    Then why did you state earlier:

    Chocolate&Cheese
    I’ve only seen one other poll showing him losing to Hillary. Sorry I don’t give RedState clicks. Erickson is a loser. I guess it’s troubling, but it is just wishcasting at this point in time.
    https://disqus.com/home/discussion/moonbattery/another_poll_confirms_hillary_would_beat_trump_not_cruz_or_rubio/#comment-2546233262

  • Chocolate&Cheese

    Do you have a question?

  • 762×51

    What do you expect moron?

    I raised a whole bunch of points which you promptly refused to engage on. There is no debate with imbeciles like you, I tried and all you did was bail like a coward.

    Here is a recap of the points I made from the other thread.

    You want to address the issues? Policy? Plans for restoring the economy, jobs, border security, privacy, etc.? Fine. But neither you or your candidate are willing to do that.

    Trumps entire campaign is full of vague promises of winning and greatness, just like hope and change. He has NEVER answered a direct question on HOW he accomplishes any of those promises. If his plan is just issue executive orders then I don’t care how great things will be, that isn’t a Constitutional Republic, it is a dictatorship and I have no intention of living in a dictatorship no matter who runs it. A gilded cage is still a cage.

    Similarly, you trolls never have any substance to your posts, you just attack Cruz or Rubio or Carson or other posters, whatever, on some vague, meaningless point that never advances the debate on HOW to solve the problems we face.

    Your boy standing on a stage calling people stupid and loser does not tell us how he plans to accomplish stopping Islamic immigration and what comes next. A one point plan is not a plan. His history of being on the other side on every issue and his miraculous conversion, has never been explained. The standard “core” principles which divide Progressive and Conservative, abortion, 2nd Amendment, etc., are not ones you just wake up one day and decide you were wrong all those years and switch. Not without some catalyst, what was that catalyst for Trump? Why has he switched party’s 4 or 5 times? No response.

    You ran screaming like a frightened child, into the night.

    All you get from here is disdain.

  • Torcer

    Take a look at my previous posting – that of which you seek was followed by the ‘?’ symbol:

    Chocolate&Cheese
    I posted that link earlier. lol The other poll in there for TvsC was a local michigan poll.
    https://disqus.com/home/discussion/moonbattery/another_poll_confirms_hillary_would_beat_trump_not_cruz_or_rubio/#comment-2546247400

    Then why did you state earlier?:

    Chocolate&Cheese
    I’ve only seen one other poll showing him losing to Hillary. Sorry I don’t give RedState clicks. Erickson is a loser. I guess it’s troubling, but it is just wishcasting at this point in time.
    https://disqus.com/home/discussion/moonbattery/another_poll_confirms_hillary_would_beat_trump_not_cruz_or_rubio/#comment-2546233262

  • Chocolate&Cheese

    Time passed and I looked at the other poll. What is your point?

  • Robb

    I got my Trump vote in. Roughly 5 hours or so before this site goes full-on butt-hurt after the sweep!

  • TED

    LITTLE trumpy DRONES, notice the VACANT stares?! That too many years spent on liberal sites getting GROUPTHINK.

  • Torcer

    No, you stated:

    Chocolate&Cheese
    I’ve only seen one other poll showing him losing to Hillary. Sorry I don’t give RedState clicks. Erickson is a loser. I guess it’s troubling, but it is just wishcasting at this point in time.
    https://disqus.com/home/discussion/moonbattery/another_poll_confirms_hillary_would_beat_trump_not_cruz_or_rubio/#comment-2546233262

    How do explain yourself given your previous assertion that you had posted that link?

  • Chocolate&Cheese

    I posted a link to realclear, but I had not looked at any of the polls and crosstabs yet, your honor. Since then I looked at a few, mostly because you were asking me about them.

    Are you going to get to your point or are you going to just keep pestering me over some bugaboo you got?

  • Torcer

    Donald Trump Is a Scam. Evangelical Voters Should Back Away (CP Editorial)
    Editors’ Note: The Christian Post has not taken a position on a political candidate before today. We are making an exception because Trump is exceptionally bad and claims to speak for and represent the interests of evangelicals.
    We the senior editors of The Christian Post encourage our readers to back away from Donald Trump.

    As the most popular evangelical news website in the United States and the world, we feel compelled by our moral responsibility to our readers to make clear that Donald Trump does not represent the interests of evangelicals and would be a dangerous leader for our country.

    Trump claims to be a Christian, yet says he has never asked for forgiveness.

    While God, in His wondrous creativity, has drawn people to Himself through the saving grace of Jesus Christ in many different ways, there are certain non-negotiable actions needed to become a Christian: One must repent of their sins and follow Christ as Lord and Savior. Trump doesn’t talk this way, even when urged to.

    Further, his words and actions do not demonstrate the “fruit of the spirit.”

    Trump is a misogynist and philanderer. He demeans women and minorities. His preferred forms of communication are insults, obscenities and untruths. While Christians have been guilty of all of these, we, unlike Trump, acknowledge our sins, ask for forgiveness and seek restitution with the aid of the Holy Spirit and our community of believers.
    [..]
    Trump has been surrounded by controversy for decades because of his untruthfulness, questionable business practices, reported association with organized crime, and abrupt changes in fundamental positions. Many of these controversies involve defrauding the working class and decisions that compromised American workers. He has taken a political position both pro and con on virtually every subject and major political party. This should give evangelicals great pause and concern about supporting such a mercurial and chameleon-like candidate. Past performance is the best predictor of future behavior.

    Trump said he wants to make it easier to sue newspapers that criticize him. When it was pointed out to him Sunday that he would have to amend the Constitution’s freedom of speech and freedom of press clauses, Trump was unmoved, simply noting that England has weaker protections for the press.

    Many evangelicals, including our friends, have criticized Trump on our own opinion page and elsewhere, such as Matt Barber, Dr. Michael Brown, Kristi Burton Brown, Susan Stamper Brown, Rev. Mark Creech, Wallace Henley, E.W. Jackson, Max Lucado, Dr. Russell Moore and Rep. Reid Ribble. If Trump were to become president we fear he would use the levers of government power to silence them and others.

    We are already concerned about the expansion of executive power to dangerous and unconstitutional extremes in the current and previous administrations. Plus, in just the past year we have seen Christians put out of business and jailed for living according to the dictates of their faith.

    Trump, an admirer of Vladimir Putin and other dictatorial leaders, may claim to be your friend and protector now, but as his history indicates, without your full support he will turn on you, and use whatever power is within his means to punish you.

    This is a critical time in American history and we call on all Christians to pray for personal repentance, divine forgiveness and spiritual awakening for our nation. It is not the time for Donald Trump.
    http://www.christianpost.com/news/donald-trump-scam-evangelical-voters-back-away-cp-editorial-158813/

  • Xavier

    A Sprawl voice and a Sprawl joke.

  • Torcer

    Ah yes, another dodging of the issue.
    How do you explain your contradictory statements?
    Or is it a case where you cannot and thus the reason for dodging the question?
    [Please note that I made sure to put a ‘?’ after the question so you can’t use that dodge]

  • Artfuldgr

    Ah.. i got it
    CNN sucks when they don’t say something you want them to say
    and they are great and a good resource as long as they confirm bias

    ever think that they WANT someone whose wife was in the CFR?
    Mrs. Cruz was at one time, a member of the liberal, hated Council on Foreign Relations (CFR).

    and she was a Goldman Sachs banker as well:

    Heidi Suzanne Cruz is an American investment manager at Goldman
    Sachs. She is the spouse of Republican Texas senator and 2016 U.S.
    presidential candidate Ted Cruz.

    might be why he abstained rather than vote no for Lynch being holders replacement
    among lots of other things…

  • Artfuldgr

    is this like the black kkk members at his rally?

  • Chocolate&Cheese

    rent free.

  • Artfuldgr

    Cruz wife is goldman sachs banker and ex CFR member?

  • Torcer

    And that proves what exactly?

  • Artfuldgr

    Given mein kampf his platform wasnt shallow, you could read the book before he was chancelor / and if you read marx, you might realize the shoa was the nazi socialist solution to the jewish question… // besides trumps daugter converted to judaism… and he is a capitalist, not a marxist…

  • Sweep_the_leg_11590

    I haven’t been to this site in forever. Can someone explain Dave’s position on Trump? What exactly does he have against him, or for those assswipez Cruz and Rubio?

  • Occam’s Stubble

    That he’s a Trump Troll and not a very intelligent one?

  • Artfuldgr

    well, no modern president has detailed what they would do to the degree you want… not any..

    as far as stopping immigration, thats not hard… obama showed the way with executive orders, signing statements, and more… now that that is on the table, anyone can do it, its called precident…

    why did he switch party? well, unlike the others he wasnt a politician and had to grease things to get his buildings made as banks and politicos are over real estate people… the elite over the lessers… just cause you have money doesnt make you elite… in fact, you can be wealthy, tolerated, and not wanted or liked at all.. .the history of that used to be well known.

    but note, he is not a career politician who lived his life to be what you want it to be to vote for him. he is old school in that his job was something other than what his office would be..

    your so used to people who have lived their lives to be in a position to court you, when someone steps up to the plate that doesnt ahve that, he is out for you. but think about it. all that does is insure you always vote for an insider, never anyone else.

    your questions are kind of dumb and its kind of stupid to be upset that someone doesnt want to engage someone who will just hollar and say bs things once they respond and waste their time… the net and trolling is not a new thing, its decades old now.

  • Artfuldgr

    they said the same of reagan… who won two, and ended up with the largest increase in personal income in human history, to which clinton tried to take credit for the economics that came after… duh.

  • Artfuldgr

    i think you mean spall, sprawl means to lay down… spall means to break off.. and drawl is the southern accent…

  • Artfuldgr

    at least your honest… and the truth is we dont know, as most press is liberal or part of things we discuss and dont like, so how would one know… the funny thing is no one realizes that their idea of trump is from the news they watch, they dont actually know him, and he NEVER gets good press… not at all… and so many dislike him cause of the bad press, that he just dont give a crap trying to ingratiate himself to people who dont like him cause of that press.

    and the press has been incredibley extreme in their attacks, including associating him with the devil and the end of days, drawing clown faces, blaming him for voters choosing him, as if the dems didnt have kkk and all that, and werent the ones who put the dogs on blacks (bull conners?).. or murdred them in the parishes (knights of the white camelia)…

    heck, sangers newsletter published the work of ernst rudin, the father of the shoa in germany that murdered 6 million… (but thats penny ante compared to stalin and mao)

  • Artfuldgr

    latinos that came legally and want things for their kids dont particularly like the ilk that they get associated with given the open borders. they dont like the castroites free moves into the US and lots more.. the dialogue that the left puts out with their trotskyite bs is at best half truths… usually with details left out as people dont usually consider lie by omission as bad as an outright falsehood…

  • Artfuldgr

    Reagan didnt… and the number of conservatives that are real is not all that great compared to the number of dems that just abandoned the party to become independents.

    headline:

    Nearly 20,000 voters left Massachusetts Democratic Party this year,
    possibly due to Donald Trump, elections chief Bill Galvin says

  • Artfuldgr

    we got the CNN how about Brietbart?

    Poll: Trump Beats Hillary in General Election Match-Up

    the funny thing is that these polles do not take into account what a big mouth trump has and how polite cruz is… when the fight is on, Hillary is in a very bad place with someone who will open their mouths and bring up things.

    cruz wont, or else he and his wife wont have a future and will be dogged the rest of their lives… Trump is already dogged his whole life, there is no promise of laying off him if he is nice, or not.

    he can bring up Benghazi and put her on the spot
    he can bring up the email servers
    he can even bring up the crap from bill as Hillary is bills wife and was part of the tony rezko stuff as well..
    the like about being under fire
    the daisy ad that backfired

    Hillary cant win if the opposition opens their mouth, and the second someone does on the campaign trail she will go apoplectic..

  • Ed. G. Mann

    Great poll! They took it in the CNN men’s room asking 38 persons thought to be male. There may have been as many as 14 trannys included which would have skewed the results.

  • cecil11

    Emily Ekins and Jonathan Haidt at Vox:

    One surprise in our data was that Trump supporters were not extreme on any
    of the foundations. This means that Trump supporters are more centrist
    than is commonly realized; consequently, Trump’s prospects in the
    general election may be better than many pundits have thought. Cruz
    meanwhile, with a further-right moral profile, may have more difficulty
    attracting centrist Democrats and independents than would Trump.

  • Artfuldgr

    he hates trump, but other than calling him bad names we have no reasoned explanation that separates imagination from actual things that have a bearing on outcome… con man, bully, etc… maybe its the green eyed monster, maybe its trumps looks, who knows…

    but its having a serious effect on his readers, who are wondering at what they see as a 180 degree turn in direction of moral political behavior. after all, no one would fault him his personal choice, but to let that govern what you show people so as to try to change their thinking rather than let them make up their own minds is kind of the nasty he has protested. (and not very respectful of others freedom to choose) so go figure. its just kind of shocking to us who were reading and helping (by sending in articles), for a very long time.

  • Krummholzt

    Dave has gone all Little Green Footballs. It’s now all Trump, all the time.

  • Chocolate&Cheese
  • Fiberal

    Fox News runs with a racist slander against Trump:

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/03/01/ryan-takes-swipe-at-trump-following-kkk-controversy.html?intcmp=hpbt1

    Meanwhile denying airtime to David Duke’s Disclaimer that he never endorsed Trump.

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/02/breaking-david-duke-releases-video-i-never-endorsed-trump-stop-lying-video/

    Add that to their headline: “Brought to Justice” about the Trump University suit.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/03/01/ny-court-rules-fraud-charges-against-trump-university-can-proceed.html?intcmp=hpbt1

    (BTW the AG who brought this suit is a buddy of BO – political–just like the IRS going after the Tea Party — and you guys bought it H,L & S)

    .
    You expect guilty before innocent, and that’s just what you get from the NYTs. And Fax News is just more bought and paid for MSM. Now without the crumbs thrown here and there to conservatives by Fax, there is absolutely no such thing as an impartial MSM in existence today.

    So tell me again what’s right with the current libel laws.

  • JayMS

    I, too, have very serious reservations about nominating The Donald to run. Of course the moonbat media will do whatever it takes to see Shrillary put into office and I do expect Team Trump to be much more savvy than Romney or McLame. But he does not, at least for now, seem to be swaying a lot of undecided swing voters.

  • Chocolate&Cheese

    http://www.decisiondeskhq.com/super-tuesday-gop/
    Georgia Called. Rubio 2nd, Cruz a close 3rd. Virginia trending Trump Rubio.

  • Chocolate&Cheese

    Vermont going for Kasich…lol!
    edit: nevermind. Trump lurches ahead.

  • chuck_in_st_paul

    Trump has over 50% negatives already. He’s going to be dead meat in the general election. *sigh* There’s goes the game again. I have come to REALLY hate the GOPe.

  • chuck_in_st_paul

    Trumpers…
    .

  • Chocolate&Cheese

    Cruz out in front in TX. Will he hang on?

  • you overlook the fact that Hillary supporters don’t care about her transgressions, as they find ways to justify her actions. I find Trump supporters act in a similar fashion. We have truly lost all sense as a nation, to think Trump and Hillary are the best America has to offer.

  • Chocolate&Cheese
  • Artfuldgr

    its easy to grasp the trump phenomenon if you realize that trump is the blue collar man with the white collar wallet… duh…

  • Artfuldgr

    Go Jets! 🙂

  • Artfuldgr

    often true…
    then again, no one liked Churchill before and after, but during he was accepted… better ways have yet to be conceived, and i doubt that they would really be better in the sense of freedoms and would probably better in a self serving way of the ones that conceive it..
    and for all but wackos, perfection is off the table.

  • Silence Dogood

    Believe it or not, a huge amount of conservatives have registered indy as well. Not to mention the fact that the demographics aren’t even close to the example you’ve given. The country has changed. The mentality of people have changed. 65% of registered republicans don’t like trump. A full 20% of those won’t vote for him. Most of my friends won’t vote for him. He’s a lobbyist. He’s bragged about it. He’s all for big gov’t. He’s everything that is wrong with DC. Why vote for more of the same? I don’t get it.

  • Chocolate&Cheese

    Looks like Cruz got TX, and will likely get OK!

  • Dolan Trump

    You just proved the article’s point, genius.

  • Dolan Trump

    I’ll bet that didn’t stop you from touting the CNN poll showing Donald at 50%. It was of 350 people.

  • rex freeway

    Rubio? I’m sorry but that’s bullshit. He isn’t even a McCain or a Romney. Flawed poll.

  • rex freeway

    Thats scary because i said this about Obama voters in both elections.

  • Buffalobob

    Oh please don’t throw me into the briar patch said brer rabbit to brer fox.

  • yourfavoriteunkle

    24/7… how can you not enjoy it? 🙂

  • yourfavoriteunkle

    Media bias and UNiParty influence.

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  • S_O_T_A

    Well, other than this, Trump is fine.

  • S_O_T_A

    LOL!

  • Ed. G. Mann

    The only place I saw that poll was here. Truly, I could care less. My interest in all this isn’t seeing if Trump wins (that would be OK) but to gut that corrupt GOP Party. I want that destroyed.

    I am in the same camp as Sen. Jeff Sessions. The plutocrats, the oligarchy need to be removed from power. The Jackasses will die off since they have gone totally Red. You can’t get into the extremes and survive. Neither can one go far right for the same reason.
    Trump probably is a Libertarian, although he doesn’t use that appellation. He’s not a Republican nor is he a Donkey. All that is true is the accepted sense.

    Anytime you need an emetic, watch Fox News to see Karl Rove’s fat face blathering. You’ll vomit.

    And I am not a Trumpster.

  • Fiberal

    Actually, you just proved mine.

  • TED

    OH DAVE! You really stirred up the TROLLS with this one! LOOK at ALL the NEW-NAMERS….ROTFLMAO!!!

  • TED
  • TED

    Noticed the VACANT leftist stare?!!

  • Torcer

    With EVERY polling Outfit?
    TRY AGAIN.

  • Torcer

    Note that our Comrade here made the usual mistake of contradicting herself.

  • TED

    Of course, THEY ARE IDIOTS! ROTFLMAO!! 😎

  • yourfavoriteunkle

    How many times has it been that the media and the UNiParty have declared the Trump campaign dead in the water again? Remind me?
    Only those persons in possession of a double-digit I.Q. and sub-par cognitive ability would even consider that there is no influence. Please name a major media outlet not influenced by a political ideology? I’ll wait…. crickets… chirp… chirp… chirp… that’s what I thought.
    Look, I don’t care if it’s Trump or Cruz I will vote for either but I have listened long enough to the “conservative” rhetoric. How fucking long has it been the same old thing? 30+ years… “Oh, we’re gonna fix immigration”… “We’re gonna enact entitlement reform”… and fucking so on? I am sick to death of it. When Trump says he’s gonna build a damned wall and make Mexico pay for it, I believe him. Not because I’m stupid or because I’m blinded by celebrity, It’s because he can visually illustrate to me accomplishment after accomplishment with a minimal failure rate. Whereas, those in the political bubble can only show me the amount of debt they all had a part in creating, or silly regulations that do nothing but thwart business here but allow prosperity outside of this nation, or go along with trade agreements that are nothing more than an income source for those that claim to represent us…. and a litany of other nonsensical bullshit. I’m tired of being played. Democrats and Republicans have conned me long enough. If it were up to me, the parties would be abolished and candidates would be chosen for their merits and accomplishments, not their affiliation. The fact is: The business of America is business. Donald Trump get’s that and believes in Capitalism, while the thieves and grifters in D.C. believe in Corporatism…. even worse, Crony Corporatism.

  • Torcer

    Where in there did you actually answer my question on polling?

  • yourfavoriteunkle

    C’mon… you wanna split hairs? Many, many polls are nothing more than wishful thinking by media outlets and are meant to “steer” opinion.

  • Torcer

    No, I want you to answer the question.

  • yourfavoriteunkle

    Demanding little cuss aren’t you. Those national polling numbers are nothing more than wishful thinking by the media all at the directive of the UNiParty.

  • Torcer

    Ah yes, the childishness is beginning to come out – as expected.
    How do you explain the myriad polls that show Trump losing?

  • yourfavoriteunkle

    Polls, shmolls…. I have answered your question but will re-assert myself once more that those polls are nothing more than a tool to steer public opinion in the direction the pollsters and those that that pay the pollsters wish. Polls are biased by their inherent nature when one considers that a
    poll is established for the purpose of establishing or negating a claim,
    idea, person etc… . The skewing of data and leading questions are commonplace. You know… like Frank Luntz helping your pal Teddy & the rest of the UNiParty submissive liars mislead the public on King Silky Pimp’s Pacific Rim-Job Trade Agreeement.
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/05/06/exclusive-documents-republicans-in-congress-cook-up-phony-poll-tested-talking-points-to-push-obama-trade-deal/

  • Torcer

    Deny reality all you want, it will be your guilt for you part in the Trump disaster..

  • yourfavoriteunkle

    Thanks Nastradamus.

  • Torcer

    Are you going to be angry at yourself or others with the upcoming Trump disaster?

  • yourfavoriteunkle

    Who are you wasting your time trying to convince that you are right? I already stated I would vote Trump or Cruz. The “Trump disaster”, as you so eloquently put it, is going to be different from a Cruz or Rubio disaster how? Rubio is an absolute idiot and his presidency would be akin to electing Hillary. Cruz is smart but not one person will work with him because he burned his bridges to get to where he is and has alienated many so is he going to act like King Silky Pimp and whip out his pen and phone and sign executive orders? They all say they won’t but I just do not believe any of them for obvious reasons… plus I have reservations about his supposed “outsider” status… HINT: WE already have an extremist ideologue in the White Hut. Another one is going to be any better because the political pendulum will swing our way for a while?
    Again, when Trump tells me he is going to build a wall, bring jobs back to this nation, stop the politicians from selling OUR jobs to overseas interests under the guise of trade deals that never benefit We the People but sure as shit benefits their stock portfolio, repeal and replace ObamaCare with a rational free-market alternative… I believe him because he has proven time and again that not only is he capable, he is determined and his ego allows very little (if any) room for failure.
    The establishment, the press and the political pundits have gone way way way out of their way to defame Trump and derail his campaign. Why? Is it because he will be a horrible president? I doubt that, because they could very easily rally around their party members in Congress and the Senate and make him powerless… just like they can with Obama and yet mysteriously, almost as if on purpose, choose not to. I suspect it is because he will not allow the thievery and traitorous activity to continue and he will call out anyone who is involved.

  • Torcer

    Who are you arguing for?

    Trump or Cruz
    [please respond with one of those names instead of a long diatribe – if you do not the question will be repeated until you do]

  • yourfavoriteunkle

    I want Trump and will settle for Cruz. Is that concise enough for you?

  • yourfavoriteunkle

    FYI… if I don’t get back with a response to your next question right away, it’s because I have a late lunch with a lady friend and I will get back to you later.

  • Torcer

    Good enough.
    Have you reconsidered your assessment given any new revelations?

  • yourfavoriteunkle

    Not really. I see the GOPe wing of the UNiParty and Faux News colluding to deceive the voting public by creating a shit-show out of what was supposed to be a debate all for the sole purpose of tearing down one candidate and I have to question the motive. Instead of civil intercourse and proper decorum in an attempt to offer the American public substantive information on which to base a decision, We the People get talking-points fed to a media outlet by a group of elitist political reprobates because why? If Trump is such a dumb-ass and a failure, what are they afraid of? If he is such a shitty candidate and all he is doing is rendering lip service to the public the sooner or later he will be found out and the GOP can continue on their merry way to placing another Progressive in the White HUT (I’ll use “house” the day Obama leaves office). Where are the earth rocking scandals? One would think if the objective of the GOPe was to eliminate Trump, there would be some scandal… it only makes sense, and yet… nothing. No scandals, no wife beating, no chooming… no nothing and yet the GOP goes out of their way to impugn the man’s character. So it makes me question the motivation.
    I suspect that the GOPe is well aware they will not be able to control Trump. I also believe that they know whatever it is that they are doing for their own self-enrichment is going to come to an immediate end and will most likely be exposed to the people. If trotting out Romney doesn’t stink of desperation, I don’t know what does. Jeff Sessions backing Trump goes a very long way with me as well… although I am of the understanding that Sessions is no longer considered a “true conservative” for some strange reason…. Hmmm, funny how a man that is considered a benchmark for conservatism can all of a sudden be considered non-viable for not toeing the party line. I imagine that Sessions will become pro-choice and want to take our guns away since he is no longer considered a conservative.

  • Torcer

    Could you please do everyone a favour and provide a direct answer that addresses the question posed to you..

    Have you reconsidered your assessment given any new revelations?

  • yourfavoriteunkle

    Not Really. That is my answer. Is there a benchmark response I am unaware of?

  • Torcer

    Could you please do everyone a favour and provide a direct answer that addresses the question posed to you..

    yourfavoriteunkle

    Not Really. That is my answer. Is there a benchmark response I am unaware of?
    https://disqus.com/home/discussion/moonbattery/another_poll_confirms_hillary_would_beat_trump_not_cruz_or_rubio/#comment-2555444177

    Again: Have you reconsidered your assessment given any new revelations?

    Do you presume to asset that nothing new has been revealed about Trump?

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