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Mar 12 2016

Andrew Klavan: I’m Angry! So I’m Voting for Donald Trump

If you ask a self-proclaimed conservative Trumpster why he supports a progressive populist over an actual conservative like Ted Cruz, the closest thing to a coherent explanation you will usually hear is, “I’m angry”:

Everyone has done something when they were angry that they felt foolish and remorseful about afterward. Hopefully, most of the anger Trump has been exploiting dissipates before something truly terrible happens.

On tips from Torcer and Dolan Trump.



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  • Chocolate&Cheese

    It’s been a queer election season watching people you once respected lose their minds and back an establishment bankster lawyer.

  • IslandLifer

    Who isn’t angry? Besides, Cruz is a Bush puppet and Trump is under attack from both sides. Very easy choice but keep telling yourself he’s a true conservative. That word has been overplayed as much as ‘racist’.

  • Sauer Thirtyeight

    Obviously you’re asking the wrong people.

    Just because one person doesn’t have a good reason for whatever the hell he’s doing, you can’t conclude that nobody else does, either.

  • MAS

    “…watching people you once respected lose their minds and back an establishment bankster lawyer”

    Hard to turn away is it?

  • MAS

    “Just because one person doesn’t have a good reason for whatever the hell he’s doing, you can’t conclude that nobody else does, either”

    Reasonable. Here’s your chance to elaborate….

    Sauer P-226, 220, 230.

  • Chocolate&Cheese

    You got it. 🙂

  • MAS

    I have an honest question for you. Are you a Christian?

  • Chocolate&Cheese

    Are you just asking so that you can pass judgment?

  • MAS

    Nope.

  • Chocolate&Cheese
  • Chocolate&Cheese

    Fire away.

  • Eddie_Valiant

    It’s real easy to toss out a glib phrase such as “Bush’s Puppet” but I’m now asking that you substantiate that statement. Links to a newspaper or website of a reputable publication – no Alex Jones.

  • MAS

    OK I’ll assume that your reply/link is an affirmative answer. Is it that hard to type “yes”? (scratches head)

    What’s your position on voting for pro abortion candidates? Is it a big issue to you, one of the vetting questions you ask yourself when considering a candidate?

  • IslandLifer

    If you’d been reading my posts over the last several months I’ve provided them. I did my homework and shared. It’s time for you to do the same and whatever conclusion you come to I’ll respect your decision.

  • Chocolate&Cheese

    I am pro-life. No individual I have ever voted for has ended abortion on demand, yet every single one has shopped my vote by telling me they are pro-life as well. I haven’t become totally cynical on that subject, but it is frustrating. The reality of it is that I can’t just be binary about this one issue. The Roman empire that Jesus Christ was born into and lived in was brutal to a degree taht we today can’t even fathom and yet he said we have to render unto Ceasar. They used to throw their unwanted babies off into the valley of Hinnom, also known as Gehenna. The long and the short of it is that I’m giving Trump a pass on this singular issue. Cruz, Rubio, Huckabee, Romeny, McCain, Dole, GWB, Carson, Kasich, on and on aren’t going to end abortion on demand. It is a sad reality, that I pray about.

  • Chocolate&Cheese

    I didn’t want to just say “yes” because I wanted to be clear about what I believed in, hence the link.

  • GhostRider2001

    Klavan nails it. Let’s hope the Trump anger will deescalate on all fronts.

  • Skip

    Would someone tell me what the so-called ‘Conservatives’ have done for the country in the past 2 plus decades? It is time for a change to save the country and the people have chosen Donald J. Trump to be our next president.

  • Chocolate&Cheese

    Couple of never ending wars, open borders, expansion of the welfare state, and trillions in debt

  • MAS

    So it’s really not a make it or break it issue for you? I suspect you are far from being alone…in fact I suspect mine is the extreme minority stance among too many Christians. I determined long ago that I needed to decide clearly who/why/and what I could vote for and not be ashamed before my Lord. That He and only He decides who will take office anyway and my part was to try not to vote for those who can cozy up with Baal while hiding behind the “I have no ability to end abortion (etc) anyway” excuse.

    I have been accused of being a one trick pony voter etc for this…far from true but hey whatever floats their boats. I do very much understand the “render unto Cesar” (but did the Jews get to vote for Cesar Augustus?) principle so have given much thought to those things that can be endorsed with my vote and those which cannot in good conscience. You and I are in the unique position of being able to take part in deciding who to vote for for Cesar, unlike Jesus and the disciples. Does that factor in to your voting decisions?

  • MAS

    You and I could launch a link fest for weeks defining if we are Christians and what kind. Dispensational Vs. Covenantal, Arminian Vs. Calvinist, on and on…

  • Chocolate&Cheese

    Personalizing what the state does really is kind of a non sequitor. I couldn’t in good conscience not vote, and I’m not about to go Barnhardt and declare a tax strike. As long as we are topside, we are going to live under another man’s rule, so the only true option, if we are going to go full purist, is not to vote or vote for a man who claims he will do the will of God. Fortunately we have a government hat has built in safeguards against one man exerting his will on the people, of course that has been usurped by the leftists under Obama, but those two other co-equal branches of government are going to come slamming back into place no matter which republican gets elected.

  • Chocolate&Cheese

    I don’t think Dave would appreciate that!

  • MAS

    “Personalizing what the state does really is kind of a non sequitor”

    I disagree, to a point. What line, if any, will you personally draw? Believe me as a retired Deputy Sheriff I fully understand Romans 13. Even then we must make decisions as to what we will endorse or not and be willing to face the consequences. I have been ordered to take inmates to Planned Parenthood more than once. I refused and the Lord was gracious, kept my career.

    Look I held my nose until it bled (AGAIN!!!) and voted for Romney. Wasn’t looking for a theological soulmate and all, it was him or Obama. I get it. Thanks for your answers…BTW his wobbly stance on Planned Parenthood is the biggest reason I have concluded that I will not be voting for Trump no matter what. I still will be enjoying the push/pull of verbal sparing with Trump folk in spite of it. Won’t be coming from this angle with most as…1 Corr 1:18,19.

  • MAS

    True, same for 9 out of 10 others here…

  • Chocolate&Cheese

    If I kept it 100% theoretical I wouldn’t vote for anyone or pay taxes because the state does tons of stuff that is immoral. We all have to draw the line somewhere, kind of like disobeying an illegal or immoral order from an authority figure. I’m really happy to hear that your refusal to shuttle people to PP didn’t end your career. We are living in very trying times, and we all are going to get tested. My support of Trump isn’t a theological decision for me. I’m fully prepared to be disappointed, as I would in ANY politician, but I really hope he follows thru on securing the border, reigning in illegal aliens, and repealing Obamacare and opening it back up to real market solutions. Denninger really likes Trump’s health care plan which is a positive for me as well, as I have been reading his site for a long time.
    edited: had to add in illegal and immoral re:obeying orders.

  • Torcer

    Trump Has The Lowest Favorability Ratings EVER For a Frontrunner http://www.dailywire.com/news/4037/trump-has-lowest-favorability-ratings-ever-aaron-bandler

    Trump Has The Lowest Favorability Ratings EVER For a Frontrunner
    Real estate mogul Donald Trump has the lowest favorability ratings ever for a presidential frontrunner.

    The latest NBC/Wall Street Journal poll shows Trump with a net favorability rating of -39, followed by 2012 GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney at -22, Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) at -18, and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton at -13. Trump’s -39 net favorability is the lowest of any presidential candidate ever recorded in the NBC/Wall Street Journal poll.

    “To me, this is the low point,” co-pollster Peter Hart told NBC News. “I’ve seen the disgust and the polarization. Never, never seen anything like this. They’re not going up; they’re going down.”

    The polling data consistently puts Trump with the lowest favorability ratings for a presidential candidate. This week’s ABC/Washington Post poll showed Trump with a net favorability of of -37 and an honesty metric of -42, which is “nearly twice as bad as Hillary Rodham Clinton,” according to Townhall’s Guy Benson. To put that in perspective, Clinton’s narrow loss in Michigan to Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) was largely due to voters viewing her as too dishonest. Clinton is also facing a possible indictment for her email scandal. Yet, Trump’s honesty metric is almost twice as worse as Clinton’s.

    The numbers do not bode well for Republicans in a general election if Trump is in fact the nominee.
    http://www.dailywire.com/news/4037/trump-has-lowest-favorability-ratings-ever-aaron-bandler

  • Torcer

    Chocolate&Cheese
    http://moonbattery.com/?p=69769#comment-2562462410

    Since you are going to make that accusation, you had better be ready to back it up with specific FACTS detailing said alleged lies.

    Those Fact will be in the form of EXCERPTS and Links from authentic reference sites

    DO NOT expect others to prove your points for you – you are making the accusation, YOU have to back them up, If you cannot , they are Worthless.

    Now off you go.. you can expect to see this question repeated back to you UNTIL you answer it.

  • Torcer

    Then it should be EASY for you to re-post said references.

  • Torcer

    This from someone who makes false accusations on a regular basis.

  • MAS

    Let’s see now, where did I put those old talking points? 😉

  • Torcer
  • MAS

    You do realize that I am not talking about theoretical but reality in my morality based voting decisions don’t you? The reality is that Trump recently praised PP for their good work to help women. Yes I know he said he meant everything but abortions but, really, shouldn’t he know better? You and I both know that’s really all they focus on but Trump seemed clueless…or disingenuous.

  • Torcer
  • Chocolate&Cheese

    Cruz has Trump beat hands down on this issue. No argument from me there. He says he will investigate PP on day one. Do I think that a president Cruz is going to get federal money out of the abortion business? No, but that is just a personal opinion.

  • physicsnut
  • Torcer

    And do you want to set the parameters as what is true ‘civility’?

  • Chocolate&Cheese

    NR died with William F. Buckley Jr. I canceled my subscription when they took on Rich Lowrey as senior editor. Williamson is another one that has lost his mind.

  • Torcer

    Definition of ad hominem
    1(Of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining
    2Relating to or associated with a particular person
    Origin Latin, literally ‘to the person’.
    http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/ad-hominem

  • SR

    Dave, I’m a Cruz man first and will support Trump if he gets the nomination. Anger works well after 7 plus years of Obama and his RINO supporters. When these A-hole leftist disrupt a Trump rally they fuel the anger and Trump gets more support. Leftist are too stupid to breath!

  • trump man

    Poop from a poophead. You can’t buy foreign goods if you lost your job that went out of the country. The ayn randist free trade republican sociopaths think thats great trump wants to keep jobs here.

  • Wocka Wocka

    Dave, how do you feel about your boy Cruz siding with the violent, soros funded, jack boot thug fascists against Trump? Did that bring a smile to your face?

  • Chocolate&Cheese
  • Chocolate&Cheese

    It wasn’t just Cruz, Rubio, and Kasich blew it as well.

  • Wocka Wocka

    Yes they did. I’m just sick of Dave acting like Cruz is this unstained pillar of purity. I was wondering what his excuse for this is, though.

  • Wocka Wocka

    He is catching massive heat for this. Check out twitter and facebook.

  • Chocolate&Cheese

    The situation was pretty simply. Violence is no good at any political rally in the US. Hit it hard with a short statement. Making a petty personal sleight out of it just makes you look like you lack discernment or are a jerk.

  • IslandLifer

    Why don’t you post like a normal person instead of using bold/caps/….
    Does someone neglect you in daily life you need to scream “look at me!”?
    A hyperlink would work w/o copy and pasting the entire article on here. Give it a shot…I think you can!

  • IslandLifer

    It is. I’m just not going to do it.

  • TaterSalad

    MoveOn.org and George Soros have now injected big bucks into the campaign to stop Trump. Rallies are being disrupted by these paid for hire left wing haters. Donald Trump will now have to go to the air waves to counter these attacks. – Please donate a couple bucks if possible: https://www.donaldjtrump.com/ .

  • TaterSalad

    .
    MoveOn.org and George Soros have now injected big bucks into the campaign to stop Trump. Rallies are being disrupted by these paid for hire left wing haters. Donald Trump will now have to go to the air waves to counter these attacks. – Please donate a couple bucks if possible: https://www.donaldjtrump.com/ .

  • TaterSalad

    MoveOn.org and George Soros have now injected big bucks into the campaign to stop Trump. Rallies are being disrupted by these paid for hire left wing haters. Donald Trump will now have to go to the air waves to counter these attacks. – Please donate a couple bucks if possible: https://www.donaldjtrump.com/ .

  • Chocolate&Cheese

    Breaking news about the Ohio protestor that got close to Trump. ISIS ties, BLM ties, and he is a Bernie supporter.

  • Chocolate&Cheese

    I was waiting for the definiton of Straw Man aimed at Klaven’s tirade…

  • Veritas100

    I don’t think the BLM or Losers R Us crowd are looking for peace

  • Fiberal

    You need to figure out when and how an informal fallacy applies to an argument.

    You also need to understand the definition if irritant

  • Fiberal

    Definition of ad hominem
    1(Of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining
    2Relating to or associated with a particular person
    Origin Latin, literally ‘to the person’.

    (see Torcer above)

    If that stings, you now know how to identify an ad hominem argument

  • cjkcjk

    Difference is I would have expected nothing less from Rubio and Kasich. Cruz jumping into that mudpit is disappointing.

  • Chocolate&Cheese
  • Skip

    Does the blog author do any work or does ‘Torcer’ work for you? Just what we need another progressive/liberal blog.

  • Deep North

    I said it before and I’ll say it again: Ron Paul was the perfect Constitutional Conservative, but you turned him down because he wasn’t bought and paid for by the Jewish lobbies and donors.

  • God, the Crotch and NRO
  • Torcer

    So your assertion is Worthless.

  • Torcer

    Well you’re really getting touch with inner totalitarian aren’t you?

  • Torcer

    Perhaps it would MUCH better to back a candidate with a chance of winning.

  • Torcer

    Fiberal
    You need to figure out when and how an informal fallacy applies to an argument.

    You also need to understand the definition if irritant
    https://disqus.com/home/discussion/moonbattery/andrew_klavan_i8217m_angry_so_i8217m_voting_for_donald_trump/#comment-2566302741

    And you need to figure out how to read what was written..

  • Torcer

    Skip

    Would someone tell me what the so-called ‘Conservatives’ have done for the country in the past 2 plus decades? It is time for a change to save the country and the people have chosen Donald J. Trump to be our next president.
    https://disqus.com/home/discussion/moonbattery/andrew_klavan_i8217m_angry_so_i8217m_voting_for_donald_trump/#comment-2566079339

    1. ‘Skip’ was attacking Conservatives.
    2. Just as ‘he’ has on many other occasions – that was the point of my comment.

  • Tadpole

    There are a lot of people who will vote actually for Trump but won’t admit it for fear of being sneered at. But once alone in the booth …

  • Dolan Tump

    So now RINO neo cons are conservatives? Can you say anything that isn’t a lie? Oh wait you’re a Trump supporter.

  • Torcer

    And there are many Leftist voting for Trump because he’s the weakest candidate for them to compete against..

  • JayMS

    Klavan misses the boat completely. I’m sick of other repubs telling us “you’re angry, we get it”. No, they don’t get it. Angry is when some a-hole cuts you off in traffic or your neighbors having a loud party at 3 AM. We are beyond angry and no one seems to be addressing that.

    I’m fed-up with the GOPe for willingly losing elections that should have been won such as with Cuccinelli in VA. I’m tired of voting for GOP candidates only to have them piss on the wishes of their voters. Cromnibus, anyone? I’m weary of the idiots at the RNC agreeing to stupid debates with biased “moderators” that are out to try to make the debates a mockery. I’ve had it with our candidates not talking about issues we care about. no one talked about building a wall before Trump. No one except Trump even thought to mention 1400 Carrier employees losing their job.

    I’m no fan of Mr. Trump and I worry if he gets the nom we can say hello to President Shrillary. But the GOPe damn well better start waking up real soon and paying attention.

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  • Alphamail

    .
    As you so fucking ignorantly commented before – you are probably the most ill-informed KNEE JERK TROLL who has been on this website since I have been here over the last nine years.! I’m totally sick of trolls like you who not only distort the truth and the facts because “the blog author” isn’t aligned with your “opinion”. Did you ever think that you display the CLASSIC PROG symptom of utter disregard for any other point of view than yours? Your comment defines you as a classic PROG…..!
    .
    The blog “author” – known to passionate Constitutional conservatives as the ghost of Van Helsing – has reported factually on every single fucking issue (BAR NONE YOU GODDAM IDIOT) that details, exposes, and absolutely condemns and incriminates the Communist progressive agenda, as well as offering BY FAR the most incriminating evidence and detailed history of the criminal activities of Barack Hussein Obama and his Marxist pals.
    .
    if it was me you would never comment on this site again, but “the host” seldom bans people who even CONDEMN HIM – try your bullshit anywhere else on the internet you ignorant putz, and you would be silenced.
    .
    The “host” has an opinion on a candidate – so fucking what? That doesn’t stop you from explaining your opposition and defending your position – without his censorship – but instead you take the troll Prog position of snarky, totally uninformed bullshit and uncalled for juvenile comment.
    .

  • Alphamail

    .
    Sweet comment to help divide Republicans you ass. Keep it up, we’re sinking deeper against the Progs. It’s called internal bleeding. Your ego wins – our party loses. Feel better?
    .

  • Alphamail

    .
    Trump did absolutely nothing wrong in this instance. And the shithead idiots who blame Trump, or even Dave – because of his support for Cruz – are totally against free speech and are a threat to America. Protesting is a wonderful right in America, but turning protest into a violent act is becoming an art for Progs, not only in doing it but in blaming their victims. HuffPo and other outlets will condemn Trump for this asshole’s actions. Also, what kind of intellectual retard builds an entire emotional psyche around another person’s different opinion?
    .
    Don’t you guys think it’s getting about time to get together and finally begin to address the problem of defeating the party that wants to control your children’s destiny and steal your soul?

  • Alphamail

    .
    Another sham from Skip…who condemns Dave as a Prog because even as a host he has an opinion. This is a canned argument – no one has chosen Trump! That’s a goddam lie and wishful thinking. If you fall for Skip’s statement you are not a person of integrity or reason, period…! I will vote for Trump if he is our nominee but I will NOT accept a felonious lie from either candidate’s supporter if it is not the truth. It may be the truth later but it is not the truth now…! What the fuck is wrong with you guys? Why do you upvote an unproven statement because you want it to be true? Emotions are now running the Conservative party which is the antithesis of Conservatism.
    .

  • Alphamail

    .
    You have any input on my reply to Skip?
    .

  • Alphamail

    .
    I’ve been listening in…..very nice to know you’re both Christians – may God richly bless you both. The important thing here is to vote for the conservative candidate – we already know the evil in this regard if Hillary is elected – so we MUST first vote in some fashion against her and the gross immorality she stands for. The question then remains who? IMHO either Trump or Cruz would be fine, simply because if we sustain both houses of Congress and the finally unfettered and free-to-speak Christians vocally coalesced and mandated for a policy against PP – which a new president would be precariously obliged to support – plus in tandem, a renewed invigorated Christian commitment to prayer is initiated for discernment for the new POTUS, I’m more than positive that this and the prevailing and growing public opinion against abortion might just bump the decision firmly to our side.
    .
    David said, “You come against me with sword, spear, and javelin, but I come against you in the name of the Lord Almighty.” Even as a minority we can win, but as a majority we will not lose.
    .

  • Wocka Wocka

    Yeah, my single comment asking Dave what he thinks about Cruz siding with the thugs (which he did) is what is causing a riff in the Republican party. Get over yourself. Dave has done nothing but rant against Trump since the beginning and has put Cruz up on a pedistal as this great Conservative. I have every right to question him about this. I have divided nothing, the divide is already there, my single comment doesnt affect that. Call me an “ass” all you want, I’ll call him out again when I see fit. Dave brought this on himself by constantly attacking the leading candidate and his supporters as idiots and brainwashed sheep. I am not the “cause” of this party divide, I’m simply a reaction to it.

  • I’m angry that many have bought into the claim that a victory for Trump will result in a victory for Hillary.

  • ThisObamaNation

    Why is the media ignoring this story?

    Black Trump Supporter
    MURDERED By Protestors

    http://christiantimesnewspaper.com/breaking-black-trump-supporter-shot-and-killed-by-chicago-protesters/
    PDQ

  • MAS

    I am struggling against my natural sinful tendency to be pragmatic with my Christianity and so not voting for those who support abortion (no matter how much the other guy stinks) is just one way to resist the urge to capitulate. The American Church is such a train wreck that only prayer for its revival (from the pulpits teaching the Scriptures) will have any effect. I suggest that the Lord will not hear the prayer of those who worship anything but Him (spirit and truth) in reality. We are far too busy worshipping ourselves to worship Him as we should.

    This exchange highlighted the issue for me and you even further. I await the King of kings and the Lord of lords not the Republican of Republicans. Seems so easy for some to ignore the call of Jesus that if we love Him we will obey his commandments and that’s what I sense from the two of you. If we have to get into bed with an emissaries of Baal to save this country, perhaps it is not worth saving.

    To repeat a battle cry of the Church in our founding “No king but King Jesus”.

  • JayMS

    Poll after poll bears that out. Independent polls all come to the same conclusion. Trump, as of today, is not swaying independent and swing voters. He has the highest unfavorability rating of any candidate, including Shrillary.

  • Willard the Newt

    Hear, hear!
    .
    What we got with “Conservatives” was:
    1) They cave in to the progs at nearly every turn.
    2) They supported the progs at every turn.
    3) They, on their own, crafted and pushed through progressive legislation and policies.
    Albeit quietly, the progressive agenda even march forward During the Reagan administration.
    BASTA!
    I’m voting for Trump. He’s our only hope for positive change.

  • Alphamail

    .
    You are definitely the problem when you try to rationalize your cheap shot at Dave inferring he’s smiling because some jackboot thug attacked Trump, and you whitewash your comment with just “asking Dave what he thinks,” and “I have every right to question him.” You think that’s what you did? In the overall sense you are the problem because you had a chance to respond intelligently and make a rational point but you chose the nasty low-road and now you’re even defending your trashy response. I’m voting for Cruz unless Trump is the nominee and I said it was a big mistake for Cruz to attack Trump in that manner, and several other Cruz voters here also found Cruz’s remarks in bad taste. Then there was you – tasteless and shooting the messenger again. I’ve been here for at least eight years and a few others on some of the recent threads have been here even longer, and it’s rare to find someone who trashes Dave (even though some of us disagree with him and his opinions, and maybe even some of his posts) because he lets us have our opinion NO MATTER what it is, so we thank him by not attacking him for his. I suggest you go to another site and approach the host in that manner and see how far you get. Accept what Dave writes and disagree intelligently and prove him wrong or take your ego and go home.

  • SR

    I think you and I pretty much agree on the same things! Especially beating Hillary and Bernie, that’s why I support Cruz or Trump if gets the nomination. Hell I would vote Rubio if he got nominated as much as I don’t particularly care for him.

  • cjkcjk

    Very disappointing. This is the worst I’ve ever seen Ted Cruz and this really does hurt him.

  • cjkcjk

    EXCELLENT!

  • Alphamail

    .
    First of all, no one is perfect otherwise they would be the Messiah, so we come before the Lord as flawed human being doing the best we can and in that regard He always hears our prayers. Revival in America is vital – one need only read the Book of Kings – but total separation between our faith and government is not necessarily cut-and-dried especially when the Lord says render unto Caesar what is…..which defines that we live alongside government.
    .
    We need a government with Christian values in every facet not just abortion but in the defense of life, the right to worship, and a strong military to keep our people free (a short list). So voting is essential. I won’t vote for a candidate who worships Baal but it hasn’t been proven to me completely that either (R) is so inclined. Pray for discernment before you pull the lever – that’s pretty much all we can do without condemning ourselves.

  • Alphamail

    .
    Hey, I’d vote for the Easter Bunny as a write-in if I thought it would get the most votes and wouldn’t usher in a Hillary victory. The IQ’s are about the same but I think the rabbit would bring more integrity to the office (‘cept for Easter – gnomesayn?)

  • MAS

    Milk principles;

    1-While the omnipotent/omnipresent/omniscient Lord always hears everything He does not always answer our prayers. He also sees all we do and knows all we think so I’d advise pulling the lever very carefully, as well as being cautious about how we justify our personal philosophies with bending His Scriptures.

    2-Book of Kings eh? Be VERY careful what you ask for, as for me I’ll take the grace and mercy of Jesus Christ. Also Kings references Israel (Theocratic Israel) not America. The first three rule of Biblical hermeneutics …context, context, context.

    3-We need a Church (read; believers) that hold to Scriptural Christian values reflected in their daily lives and among those will be imperfect but Godly leaders who may end up in positions of government authority but we will only get a “a government with Christian values in every facet” when Christ physically rules on earth. Until then we will be forced to live and work among the real walking dead (the lost) and many think they are alive when they are not really.

    4 Baal was the god the Israelites worshiped with sex and baby sacrifices. When you vote for a pol who is pro choice you may not be voting for someone who actually worships Baal but it really is a difference without a distinction in actual practice.

    5-I have prayed and meditated on this subject for decades and the discernment given tells me that too many of those who call themselves Christian in America are so weak in hungering for righteousness and knowledge of the One they say they worship that they can’t be bothered to give the Scriptures even the amount of diligence and respect they would give a Clancy novel. They hunger for godly government but fail to see that they already have it in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Not willing to wait on the Lord and His plan of the ages, they try to establish their own version here.

    No friend, I will not bend the knee to heaven on earth but only to Him as I daily struggle through how to be among them without being one of them..

  • FrozenPatriot

    …mostly because it isn’t true. It’s a hoax.

  • FrozenPatriot

    Conservatives haven’t had the votes to push anything through. The entrenched RINOs and their wealthy crones (e.g. Trump) have held the reins during republican majorities and presidencies. Your attack is a non sequitur, and is therefore dismissed.

  • Alphamail

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    We’ve only had a couple conversations and I already feel you’re preaching down to me. What’s with that?
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    “cautious about how we justify our personal philosophies with bending His Scriptures?” You think I’m bending His Scriptures? And what’s with the Book of Kings? Is that a book we should stay away from? Jesus quoted the Old Testament – am I forbidden to? The theme – Jewish or not – is that when you put your faith in God (in our case Jesus Christ) you prosper (and I’m not talking money) and when you turn your back on Him you will be condemned (As I’m talking to you now, I’m burning the Old Testament).
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    Further, of course we need a church (the body of believers) that adheres to Christian values – who could ever argue with that foundational statement? And, “a government with Christian values in every facet” is exactly what I meant. I didn’t say in it’s totality- as in Christ’s return – I mean we need Christian values in every area of government – can you imagine government with NO Christian workers who bring their Christian values to work with them? You aren’t actually saying Christians should never work in Government are you – if you are, that’s insane.
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    In your paragraph #5 I feel you talking (accusing) to me, because you follow that up with,” No friend, I will not bend the knee to heaven on earth but only to Him…..,” which implies very strong disagreement with something I said..
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    You have come back at me with some very specious remarks that don’t in fact jibe at all with the intent or content of what I said. In my Foursquare Church the Bible (NIV) is Gospel and is the living word of God, and humility prevails over self-righteousness. IMHO you appear to embrace the latter. So may God richly bless you and may you be greeted by Him some day. Goodbye.

  • FrozenPatriot

    If they want a war, they’ll get one. We’ve not yet begun to fight, and we’re happy to fight dirty. Turn off the electricity to a city of millions for months? Black loves aren’t going to matter for long…

  • Wocka Wocka

    So basically you are upset because you’re a fan of Dave and I called him out and asked him what he thinks about his knight in shining armor basically condoning the jackboot thugs. Hell, he basically endorsed Hillary as being better than Trump in one of his previous post. You can sit there and defend Dave all you want, but you better believe I’m gonna continue to call him out after the way he has acted toward Trump supporters. I don’t care how long you have been on this site, I don’t need some Dave defender telling me what I should and should not write. Dave is a grown man and he is perfectly capable of defending himself without you white knighting for him. Don’t lecture me on “disagreeing intelligently” when you go out of your way to call me an ass. Also, how many times have you asked Dave to knock off his non-stop assault again Trump supporters? Is it okay for him to label Trump supporters as uninformed, brainwashed, uneducated sheep? GTFO. Bottom line is you like Cruz, Dave likes Cruz, and when I called him out regarding Cruz’s actions you got offended. Drop the whole act and just admit it.

  • Alphamail

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    I consider people like you very dangerous. I called you an ass because you keep responding like an ass – and a juvenile ass at that. In the first sentence of your above comment you defined immediately exactly what YOU wanted the conversation to mean, not what was actually said or intended. I was defending another person’s right to an opinion – not what he said – only his right to disagree with you. If it wasn’t Dave it would be someone else, because that is a fundamental American right – which you deny if it doesn’t align with your choice. You cannot accept disagreement and your continual rewording and untrue view of what transpired is giving honesty a bad name. Taken to its logical conclusion, you would make a perfect gulag guard because you are wholly intolerant to anyone who disagrees with you, you revise what they say to comport to what you need their opinion to say, and you show no remorse and offer little regard to honesty
    Also, I agreed that the candidate I want to vote for made a mistake in piling on Trump, but you disregard my honesty and criticism toward my own candidate and still condemn me for voting my conscience for Cruz – EVEN THOUGH I admit I will vote for Trump if he is the nominee.
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    Your incessant push to change what I said and mean, and to insert your distorted self-serving version of what you believe I said and mean, not only shows an emotionally charged disconnect with reality, it exposes your irrational need to redefine and/or deny another person’s genuinely held opinion. In other words you are clinically dangerous.
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  • Wocka Wocka

    Dangerous? Please, spare me the ridiculous accusations and drama. You rambled on and on about being the white knight of people being able to have and state an opinion. Who the hell is here is preventing them from stating it? Sure, anyone can have and state an opinion, but anyone has a right to challenge it as well. Comparing people to Gulag guards because they challenge someone regarding their candidate of choice and the choices they make. Hell, if anything, it sounds like you are trying to stifle my free speech and opinion moreso than I ever have Dave’s or anyone else’s. Also, how did me calling out Dave about how he felt about Cruz’s behavior turn into “well, you are dangerous because you don’t like people disagreeing with you.” Where in your mind did you even relate the two? Spare me your pathetic attempt at psychoanalysis and just stop. Either way, I’m done with this conversation, so write your little silly response and get it over with. If anyone here needs clinical help, its you.

  • Alphamail

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    You continue to distort what was said, to twist it to satisfy what you want it to say, and you are wholly dishonest in what you said and the manner you said it. Now you attempt to charge me with shutting down your opinion, when free opinion was my whole point to begin with. You are the epitome of dishonest dialogue when you take your original vile innuendo and now dress it up tantamount to some prayer or something. You made a crass and asinine statement that someone called you on and you aren’t man enough to back off and say you might have misspoke and phrased it differently. In my opinion your stubbornness and defiant ego, along with other commenters, is why the important conversations we need to have to beat the Democrats has been flushed down the toilet. It’s all about your need to be right at all costs and now your last resort is to attack the person who pointed out your bullshit comment. My descriptions are all applicable because you are proving yourself to be intractable and dishonest.

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  • concerned observer of moonbats

    WOW! How many times do you have to get knocked on your ass before you realize you’re wrong and can’t win the fight? By your trying to defend the indefensible, you more than made a fool of yourself.
    Look, while reading this exchange between you and Wocka, I first thought you were just being a loyal ally to Dave Blount, As I read on, I then I got the impression you are a boot licking sycophant. By the time I read your last comment, it becomes abundantly clear you suffer from some sort of personality disorder – and a pronounced one at that. Your problem goes way beyond poor reading comprehension. It is evident your emotional disturbance prevents you from perceiving reality correctly.

  • Alphamail

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    CONCERNED OBSERVER OF MOONBATS.
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    I appreciate your comment because in several ways you make my point.
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    My point is – and has been from the beginning – to try and help bring some kind of decorum to this new seemingly troll-filled comment section with its ugly back-and-forth vitriol which is dividing our party and handing Hillary a victory.
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    All you need do is go back to Wocka’s original two questions to the host (Dave), and if you can’t see that Wocka – by obvious innuendo – inferred Dave is HAPPY with violent, Soros-funded, jack boot thug fascists attacking Trump, and if you can’t put emotionalism aside and view that as crass and divisive then you don’t deserve to appoint yourself as Moonbattery’s latest psychoanalyst.
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    When I initially replied to Wocka I made my point very clear – I stated comments like that divide us and it’s called internal bleeding. Further, I alluded that Wocka’s comment may have pleased him but it was a loss for our (R) party. How clinically fucked up of me to dare point out the obvious.
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    One more time: I wasn’t talking about Dave and I wasn’t talking about Trump I was talking about decorum.
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    Wocka then responded by expressing his real motives, “Dave has done nothing but rant against Trump,” and “Dave brought this on himself.” While I certainly don’t have all the sophisticated Psychology degrees you do, I don’t feel it takes a genius to see that Wocka’s view that “Dave brought this on himself” is the SAME VIEW that the NYT, HuffPo, MSNBC, and the violent Soros-funded jack boot thugs have when they attack Trump and falsely blame him for their own disgusting behavior, when they shout, “Trump brought this on himself.” Again, another of my clinically obsessed lobotomized view of the obvious.
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    I thought it was fair of me to point out Wocka’s view is a problem. In the subsequent back-and-forth with Wocka, he wholly overlooked my initial point and instead went on a false offensive by accusing me of calling him out 1) “because I support Cruz,” 2) “because I’m a fan of Dave,” 3) “drop the whole act,” and 4) as said, “Dave brought this on himself.”
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    The above are lies, but damn me if I don’t lay down like sheeple and accept it. I am on record in MB threads this week before the conversation with Wocka, where I explicitly said “I am a Cruz supporter but if Trump gets the nomination I WILL vote for him,” and further I said, “What Cruz said about Trump (and accusing Trump of inciting protestors) was unfair and totally uncalled for by Cruz.” So fucking excuse me again for being a manic-depressive obsessive-compulsive sociopath for again pointing out the obvious.
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    In the ongoing dialogue with Wocka I pointed out his deflecting from the point, his crass statement to the web host, and his personal revisions of my statements and intent, while further deflecting blame onto me. This is Alinsky 101 directly out of “Rules for Radicals”, but again damn my frickin’ ass for pointing out (in so many words) that form of attack and rhetoric was dangerous. I might have chosen a better word combination than Gulag guards, but my point was that this kind of ad hominem switch to blame the person who endures the lie and whose point and objective is distorted by an ill-informed bias, is a basic technique used by Progs that only takes our society in one ominous direction.
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    As far as your diagnosis, your action is exemplary of Progressivism whether you call yourself a Prog or not, because in progressive technique it’s all about the obfuscation, not the point and certainly not the honesty, and then there’s the final attempt to shred your opponent’s reputation with a litany of concocted and creative slanders – usually surrounding their mental capacity. Nice try professor, but you’re not at Columbia University anymore. Your textbook prog response only compliments the ongoing contentious and divisive intermural war games, which leads any sane person to conclude your motive is to further disrupt the process and help move Hillary closer to the throne.
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