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Mar 18 2016

Trump and Tiananmen Square

Donald Trump has ominously suggested that his supporters will riot if he is not handed the nomination regardless of whether he has a majority of delegates. It wasn’t the first time he has elicited gasps of astonishment on the subject of riots. In the March 10 debate in Miami, when questioned about his previous take on the infamous Tiananmen Square massacre, Trump referred to the pro-democracy protest as a riot:

[JAKE] TAPPER: Mr. Trump, some of your Republican critics have expressed concern about comments you have made praising authoritarian dictators. You have said positive things about Putin as a leader, and about China’s massacre of pro-democracy protesters at Tiananmen Square, you’ve said: “When the students poured into Tiananmen Square, the Chinese government almost blew it, then they were vicious, they were horrible, but they put it down with strength. That shows you the power of strength.”

How do you respond?

TRUMP: That doesn’t mean I was endorsing that. I was not endorsing it. I said that is a strong, powerful government that put it down with strength. And then they kept down the riot. It was a horrible thing. It doesn’t mean at all I was endorsing it.

This quote from the original Playboy interview puts Trump’s remarks in context:

“When the students poured into Tiananmen Square, the Chinese government almost blew it. Then they were vicious, they were horrible, but they put it down with strength. That shows you the power of strength. Our country is right now perceived as weak … as being spit on by the rest of the world.”

Note how he immediately segues into America being “perceived as weak,” undermining the insincere “vicious” and “horrible” disclaimers.

In the same interview, he condemned Soviet dictator Mikhail Gorbachev for not being sufficiently tyrannical:

“That’s my problem with Gorbachev. Not a firm enough hand.”

In contrast, ex-KGB colonel and current Russian strongman Vladimir Putin meets with Trump’s enthusiastic approval.

As an opponent of free speech, the Donald might also approve of the “strength” the totalitarian communist regime has shown in suppressing discussion of the incident:

In the years since the killings, China’s ruling Communist Party has gone to extreme lengths to stop discussion about what happened that night. The word “Tiananmen” is censored online and stricken from many histories. When the incident is discussed, the official line — which is contested by scholars and conflicts with witness testimony — is that the protest was in fact a “riot” (or “anti-revolutionary riot“) and the People’s Liberation Army stepped in to keep the city safe.

Former leader of the Tiananmen Square protests Wu’er Kaixi has managed to resist Trump fever:

“Speaking personally, after 27 years in exile from that ‘riot’… I think I can speak for all fellow exiled and imprisoned Chinese in condemning Trump,” Wu’er wrote in a commentary posted on his official Facebook page.

“I am not alone in appealing to the very same Americans who offered Chinese such as myself refuge when our own government deserted us to put aside partisan disputes and unite against Trump,” the activist said. …

Wu’er lived in the US after fleeing China in the aftermath of the protests, but has resided in Taiwan for the past two decades.

He has tried to return to China on several occasions, but has been denied entry each time.

The Communist Party today under President Xi Jinping continues to block any activists advocating democratic reforms, and has tightened its grip on the media.

“Politically, in China, nothing has changed – if anything it has become worse in recent years,” Wu’er said.

For that we can thank what Trump calls “the power of stength.”

Wu’er continues:

“Trump, a privileged comeback king from a litany of failed fast-buck business scams, is an enemy of the values that America deeply defines itself by: the same values that have long provided hope to the victims of oppressive power worldwide.

“Those of us who have fought for freedom anywhere in the world worry that something is about to change in America.”

The takeaway lesson for hardcore Trumpsters and other authoritarian statists: riots are good when you are trying to take power, but demonstrations should be depicted as riots and ruthlessly repressed when you are already in power.

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Big Government demonstrating Trump’s conception of strength.

On tips from Paula B and Torcer.



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  • TaterSalad

    The “Establishment RINO” Gravy Train is now publishing a list of people they are going to attack for either giving fair to good coverage of Donald Trump or outright supporting him in this Presidential race to the White House.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/18/gop-smart-set-plots-blacklist-of-trump-supporters/ .

  • ed357

    No……

    Trump did not threaten to have his people start riots…….

    You’re ruining your conservative creds with this line of bs.

  • Dolan Tump

    If you’re a Trump supporter you either know nothing of conservatism or you’ve abandoned it in a fit of rage.

  • Dolan Tump
  • ed357

    and the subject was a false narrative of Trump calling for riots……

    As far as Trump being a conservative or not……Please answer the following question.

    Which candidate of the many choices that the GOP had during this primary election cycle is/was most like the great conservative icon…..Ronald Reagan?

  • FrozenPatriot

    You’re right; Trump didn’t threaten. Nor did Dave claim that he did. What’s the problem? “Donald Trump has ominously suggested that his supporters will riot if he is not handed the nomination”… That’s the first line…

  • Dolan Tump

    As far as policy positions go Rick Perry, Scott Walker, Rubio , Fiorina, Cruz, Jindal and Santorum all have more in common with Reagan than Trump.

  • Ed. G. Mann

    That whole article is a crock of crooked writing. Innuendo, out of context statements linked with unrelated articles: Typical press scribbling.

    The real reason all this uproar is being published and shouted is because Trump is feared on the Left and will gut the GOPe. Trump is turning out voters, the Donks are not.

    This Stalinist approach by the GOPe isn’t going to produce harmony. The statement made by one of those fools that they (the GOP) pick the candidates,not the voters. That isn’t working anymore. The next statement we’ll hear is another Old Joe Stalin line, “It isn’t who votes that matters, but who counts the votes.” We’ll see who is counting and in what room.

    You won’t get a riot; you will get a war. Here’s hoping there are a lot of pickax handles on elite heads. There are more of us than them.

  • Torcer

    Donald Trump has ominously suggested that his supporters will riot if he is not handed the nomination regardless of whether he has a majority of delegates. – See more at: http://moonbattery.com/?p=70091#disqus_thread

    Ed. G. Mann The real reason all this uproar is being published and shouted is because Trump is feared on the Left
    http://moonbattery.com/?p=70091#comment-2577157296

    Please cite the facts to back up your assertion in this regard.
    Be sure to include plenty EXCERPTS and Links from authentic reference sites in your answer.
    As a change of pace, why don’t you back up your assertions with actual FACTS.

  • Torcer

    Thus you see ‘ed357’ use the oh so common use of the strawman argument.

    Definition of straw man
    1.1a sham argument set up to be defeated.
    Thus the user of the straw man fallacy exposes their own tendency to incorrectly categorize their opponent.
    http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/straw-man?

  • Torcer

    ed357

    and the subject was a false narrative of Trump calling for riots……
    http://moonbattery.com/?p=70091#comment-2577015017

    Please cite where that was stated.
    Be sure to include an EXCERPT in your answer.

  • IslandLifer

    Where have you been?
    http://moonbattery.com/?p=70029

  • Torcer

    Ed. G. Mann You should be opposing the GOPe,

    Show me the proof that I’m not.
    Be sure to include plenty EXCERPTS in your answer.

    You keep asking; you keep getting the same answer. when does it finally dawn on you?
    https://disqus.com/home/discussion/moonbattery/the_coffee_party_lives_on_to_spread_its_lies/#comment-2576256627

    No, the point is I’m not getting any answers.

    This should inform everyone that Trump supporters have abjectly FAILED to become informed on the issues.

  • Torcer

    Please post an excerpt that shows that.

  • Artfuldgr

    and they are not the authoritarains who are basically saying, if you vote the way we want its ok, and you can feel free… but if not, we will fix it… so your not really free to vote…

    same with dave who is listening to the left tell him what it is about trump
    as trump never called for his people to riot
    the question is what do you think would happen if X
    and he said he thinks they would riot
    that truthful..

    you dont think that if he gets a majority and they take it people wont do anything? but that dont matter to dave, does it

  • Artfuldgr

    actually not…

    Did you know that reagan and trump have the same degrees? economics
    did you know that they are using similar campaign slogans?
    and that both were tv actors
    both are capitalists?
    and there is a lot more common

    but despite ALL that, no two people are the same
    though they did call reagan hitler too
    though trump has a jewish daughter and fought in court to break the race ban in palm beach to make his place inclusive to blacks and jews….

    and tons of other stuff.
    but as long as the leftist press and leftist dave repeats it
    he wont ever have honest press.

  • Artfuldgr

    CNN – Donald Trump and Ted Cruz warned fellow Republicans Wednesday of dire consequences if the GOP establishment attempts to have a brokered convention this summer.

    “I think you’d have riots. I think you’d have riots,” Trump said Wednesday on CNN’s “New Day.” “I’m representing a tremendous many, many millions of people.”

    “I think that would be an absolute disaster. I think the people would quite rightly revolt. The way to beat Donald Trump is at the ballot box,” the Texas senator [cruz] said on “New Day.”

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/16/politics/donald-trump-ted-cruz-brokered-convention/

    trump thinks that people will be very angry and act out

    Cruz said they would revolt

    only trump gets the bad spin

  • Artfuldgr

    actually dave did a whole post saying trump did when he didnt…
    and he also ignored that Cruz said there would be a revolt!!
    see below

  • Dolan Tump

    Both are capitalists? Lol. Wow Trump is just like Reagan because he isn’t a communist.

  • Torcer

    Except that those are two different words being used -TRY AGAIN.

    WATCH: Trump senior advisor says riots are NOT violent http://therightscoop.com/watch-trump-senior-advisor-says-riots-are-not-violent/

  • IslandLifer

    Did you click on the link??

  • Torcer

    Yes I did – where did make those assertions as claimed?

    It’s EASY to make a claim of that nature – but without an excerpt it is woefully unproven.

  • Torcer

    This is how well he’s done in business:

    Trump Mortgage failed. Here’s what that says about the GOP front-runner. http://wapo.st/1pkiBYy?tid=ss_tw

    Trump Mortgage failed. Here’s what that says about the GOP front-runner.
    As some economists and Wall Street traders began to sense danger ahead of the crippling housing market collapse of 2008, Donald Trump waved away the worries and offered a concrete expression of confidence in the industry.

    “I think it’s a great time to start a mortgage company,” Trump told a CNBC interviewer in April 2006, adding that “the real estate market is going to be very strong for a long time to come.”

    Within 18 months, as the experts’ worst fears began to pan out and home prices began to dip, Trump Mortgage closed, leaving some bills unpaid and a spotty sales record that fell short of Trump’s lofty predictions. Trump distanced himself from the firm’s demise, saying at the time that he had not been involved in the company’s management and that its executives had performed poorly.
    [..]
    As it sought a toehold in the residential market, Trump Mortgage offered residential mortgages with promises of quick approvals. It recruited a team of aggressive salesmen.

    Jan Scheck, the national sales director for Trump Mortgage, hired teams of specialists around the country and helped the new firm as it sought to obtain licenses in multiple states. Like Trump, Scheck thought at the time that the new company could be a major player.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-mortgage-failed-heres-what-that-says-about-the-gop-front-runner/2016/02/28/f8701880-d00f-11e5-88cd-753e80cd29ad_story.html?

  • IslandLifer

    You obviously didn’t click the link. Dave clearly wrote Trump threatens riots…
    No. He did NOT

  • Torcer

    Then YOU should be able to prove me wrong and post an excerpt.
    Why can’t you?

  • IslandLifer

    Oh my! Put down the crack pipe! Everything laid out right before you but you’re playing a game of mental midget. Your excerpt is in the post I linked above! Do I need to hold your hand and walk you through it?

  • Torcer

    I don’t fall for the wild goose chase scam.

    Unless you can post excerpts to prove your point, they are Worthless.

    Now, tottle off you go and prove your own point -IF you can.

  • Torcer

    Nice of you trying to slip in the little strawman argument.

    This is the assertion we are talking about:

    ed357
    and the subject was a false narrative of Trump calling for riots……
    http://moonbattery.com/?p=70091#comment-2577015017

    Please cite where that was stated.
    Be sure to include an EXCERPT in your answer.

  • IslandLifer

    If you can’t admit that spinning Trumps words from suggesting there could be riots to him calling for riots isn’t a false narrative then I can’t help you. Everyone else managed to see it…you must be some kind of special.

  • Torcer

    Forgive me Dave, but this is the entire posting:

    Trump Threatens Riots if He Doesn’t Get His Way at Convention
    Classical fascists take power through democratic means, but are not averse to utilizing their violent supporters to facilitate this process through intimidation. For example, Donald Trump has threatened riots if he falls short of a majority of delegates and consequently does not get the nomination:

    Trump said Wednesday that a contested GOP convention could be a disaster if he goes to Cleveland a few delegates shy of 1,237 — and doesn’t leave as the party’s nominee.

    “I think you’d have riots,” Trump said on CNN.

    Noting that he’s “representing many millions of people,” Trump told host Chris Cuomo: “If you disenfranchise those people, and you say, ‘I’m sorry, you’re 100 votes short’ … I think you’d have problems like you’ve never seen before. I think bad things would happen.”

    Noisy Trump supporter Scottie Nell Hughes has supported the threat of riot as campaign policy by announcing on CNN that “riots aren’t necessarily a bad thing” if Trump decides that the “establishment” has “decided to ignore the voice of the people” by not jettisoning the rules on his behalf.

    According to these rules, Trump needs to come into the convention with a majority of delegates, no matter how scary his supporters. Otherwise, delegates will have more leeway to vote their consciences. Since the delegates are party activists rather than the non-Republicans who have helped him win primaries, Trump is right to worry.

    If you don’t mind getting into the weeds, Libertarian Republic explains why arriving at the convention with an ostensible plurality — or even majority — of delegates hardly means Trump has secured the nomination. The growing awareness that Trump must be stopped before he causes serious long-term damage to the Republican Party, the conservative cause, and America in general will peel away the votes of many delegates.

    Trump has probably already cost the GOP the 2016 election. Level-headed Republicans will want to limit the extent of the damage.

    Party leaders helped create the Trump phenomenon by not standing up to Obama. We’ll see if they have developed enough spine to stick to the rules even if the Donald doesn’t like them.

    In light of his riot threat, imagine how Trump would govern rule if by some horrific quirk he is able to acquire real power. Even Obama would look like a constitutionalist by comparison.
    https://youtu.be/ztDSYFfalss
    Update:
    Astonishingly yet not surprisingly, Trump supporters have denied that Trump threatened riots if rules are not bent on his behalf in the case that he falls short of a majority of delegates. Refer to the video above. He does not say the exact words, “I will call for riots” because that might get him jailed, yet he has implicitly already done so by suggesting that there should be riots if he does not “automatically” receive the nomination even if this would be in violation of the rules. If Al Sharpton made the statement as in the video above, everyone would recognize it for the threat that it is. It was less subtle that a mobster growling, “Nice store you got here, be a shame if something happened to it.”
    – See more at: http://moonbattery.com/?p=70029

    Now show me the part where:

    ed357
    and the subject was a false narrative of Trump calling for riots……
    http://moonbattery.com/?p=70091#comment-2577015017

  • Kevin R.

    Jabba the Hut, the Co Chair of the Donald trump campaign, wants us to know that riots are not violence. And then he misrepresents the entire process of selecting a candidate at the convention. The actual process is the first vote a bound vote and then the delegates are unbound and can vote for whomever they want after the first vote. So after the first vote it becomes a bunch of individuals voting how they want and not some kind of dastardly conspiracy forced on anyone.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceG_FGNLqfE

  • Torcer

    I’m still waiting for you to back up your assertion.

    I did all of your legwork for you and posted an excerpt, so now all you have to do is find the appropriate quote and point it out to everyone.

    You don’t even have to read the passage – perish the thought that you become informed – you can use your browser to find the appropriate key word.

    And I can’t help but notice that when you’ve run out of intellectual arguments you have to fall back on childish insults.

    Then you run away so you don’t have to debate anyone – much like Trump.

    BTW, I honestly don’t care about all the childish invective you wish to spew in my direction. It only highlights your inability to debate like an adult.

  • Ed. G. Mann

    You will find out as will I in November. It may not be Trump but rest assured, it won’t be Cruz. The GOPe will make sure of that.

  • Torcer

    Don’t bet on it.
    If they have a choice…..

  • Fiberal

    The whole nation is standing on a chair and gasping about Trump saying “riot”.

    And who would have guess it?….now he’s a communist sympathizer.

    Delegates may be bound to vote for their state’s candidate on the first ballot, but are not bound on a vote to change the rules; which is what the eGOP are probably already working on.

    Whether you hate him or not, it seems that what the high-purist-conservative-principles-at-all-cost crowd should be much more concerned about, is the willingness and the capability of the eGOP to go about disenfranchising Trump.

    Even Cruz has come out and said as much:
    http://www.salon.com/2016/03/08/ted_cruz_puts_the_republican_establishment_on_notice_warns_of_manifest_revolt_at_the_convention/

  • Tadpole

    The anti-trumpers here will be pleased to know that their buddies will soon lift their game to help bring him down. What strange bedfellows we see these days:

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/16/anti-trump-groups-threaten-largest-civil-disobedience-action-of-the-century/

  • Ed. G. Mann

    The only issue is the corruption of the GOPe. All else pales compared to that. You were told by the GOP who was to be the Candidate:JEB! Then Rubio or now Kasich. None of which are going to be selected by the voters. So now they have Paul Ryan put up by that GREAT CONSERVATIVE, Boehner. You watch, the GOPe will bend you over once more and that ripping sound won’t be your pants.

  • MicahStone

    We gotta thank the GOPe-RINO-turds for Trump !!!

  • Ed. G. Mann

    Anti-Trump dementia! The mentally discomforted will say and believe anything because they cannot believe they have been screwed blue by the GOP for so many years.

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  • IslandLifer

    No. It’s just hard to talk to a rock. I’ve better things to do.

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    http://i.imgur.com/bxPzKi3.jpg The LAST one wanted to turn us into KENYA.

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    EVEN a STOPPED CLOCK!! http://i.imgur.com/K0BIA0H.jpg

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  • http://www.moonbattery.com Bodhisattva

    I’m not so much “anti-Trump” but rather pro-Cruz, who would make a much better President overall.

    Nobody’s perfect.

  • Torcer

    So you can’t get beyond acting like a child…. sad.

    Let’s face it – You were proven wrong once again.

    And you don’t even have the decency to acknowledge that you were wrong.

    Is that the ‘Trump effect’ or have you always been this way?

  • TED

    THE REAL REASON THIS COUNTRY IS GOING TO SHIT!! http://i.imgur.com/UJRfyT1.jpg

  • Torcer

    Ed. G. Mann You should be opposing the GOPe,

    Show me the proof that I’m not.
    Be sure to include plenty EXCERPTS in your answer.

    You keep asking; you keep getting the same answer. when does it finally dawn on you?
    https://disqus.com/home/discussion/moonbattery/the_coffee_party_lives_on_to_spread_its_lies/#comment-2576256627

    No, the point is I’m not getting any answers.

    This should inform everyone that Trump supporters have abjectly FAILED to become informed on the issues.

  • http://www.moonbattery.com Bodhisattva

    I can’t say what MIGHT happen should Trump NOT get the nomination, but I know no matter what the lunatic left is determined to try to give Obama excuses to declare a state of emergency and suspend the general election:

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/16/anti-trump-groups-threaten-largest-civil-disobedience-action-of-the-century/

    With little fanfare and almost no news media attention, some of the same radical groups involved in shutting down Donald Trump’s Chicago rally last week are plotting a mass civil disobedience movement to begin next month.

    They intend to march across the East Coast in order to spark a “fire that transforms the political climate in America.”

    The operation, calling itself Democracy Spring, is threatening “drama in Washington” with the “largest civil disobedience action of the century.” The radicals believe this will result in the arrest of thousands of their own activists.

    Oh great, “save our Democracy” by disrupting the elective process… since it is becoming clear that either Trump or Cruz is likely to beat either Clinton or Sanders.

  • IslandLifer

    I see a very strong resemblance to the anti Trump people on this site and these cretins…
    http://www.weaselzippers.us/262325-silencing-trump-bill-ayers-and-the-fire-from-below/

  • TED

    !!!

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  • Tadpole

    What I don’t get is this: many conservatives tell us that Trump is an imposter, that he is really a big leftie posing as a conservative, and as soon as he gets in he will do Hillary stuff.

    But why aren’t there ANY lefties who seem to believe this? If they thought Trump was really an undercover one of their own, why this manic horror of Trump, bordering on psychosis? And if they are as convinced as some here that Hillary would cream Trump in a one-on-one, why aren’t the begging the GOP to please make it Trump!

    Cruz’s public meetings aren’t attacked like Trump’s are, and that great Moonbat Maher says he will be backing Cruz against Trump. He would rather have the one bona fide conservative rather than the under-cover leftie, Trump? I don’t get it. You would think the left would know WHO their main enemy is:

    http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/03/18/maher-count-me-in-for-ted-cruz-if-its-a-choice-between-him-and-trump/

  • Mariahbryant3


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  • FrozenPatriot

    Links, or you’re lying. You don’t accuse people without evidence, and so far you’ve offered none.

  • Ed. G. Mann

    I have been opposing the GOP since 1984, That is the last time I voted for a Republican. Before that, 1980 and 1964. elections. Otherwise VOTE LIBERTARIAN.

    I’ll do the same this time around. Why would I ever vote for something that corrupt?

    BTW, I’m not a Trump supporter, I’m anti-GOPe. there is a difference. I shall get what I want; the GOP won’t survive this election. The Jackass Party already has offed itself by going so far left. America is approximately 18% far Left/Communist/Marxist/Progressive true believers. The rest are just as lost as the Republicans are, believing the Parties care about them.
    https://vermontloonwatch.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/gope.jpg

  • Kevin R.

    No, you have the idea all wrong. It isn’t that Trump is supposed to win the general election and become president, it’s that Trump is supposed to be so repellent that he LOSES to Clinton in the general election. He isn’t supposed to get close to winning the actual presidential election. That’s the conjecture.

  • C. L.

    Check this out:

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  • wordsmeanthings

    Excuse me, but I believe rational comments and sanity have been outlawed here.

  • http://www.moonbattery.com Bodhisattva

    Not quite – though the rational comments do tend to get drowned out by accompanying nonsense sometimes. Even here… but only because Dave puts up with more ‘free speech’ than many liberal moonbat sites.

    Even he has limits and visiting moonbats often exceed them.

  • Torcer

    My answer is here:
    http://moonbattery.com/?p=70152#comment-2581608856
    I prefer to eviscerate your assertions on an active thread for everyone to see.

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