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Aug 15 2016

With One Tweet I Could Rest My Case Against Trump

You are going to trust this guy to appoint Supreme Court justices who would uphold the Constitution?

Of course, it would be up to the government to determine whether something is “true” or “false.”

Trump has already been explicit that he has no use for the First Amendment and intends to silence political dissent. He will nominate whoever is most obsequious in sucking up to him, and most demonstrably eager to serve his personal agenda, which entails using the federal government as a vast pedestal atop which will stand Trump’s glorious ego. As explained here, principled conservatives are the last people he would pick, despite the phony List of Eleven. Maybe he is still considering his radical pro-abortion sister.

Yes, Shrillary’s Supreme Court picks will be awful. That’s why we need to save the Republican Party so that there will be some resistance in the Senate. Trump’s picks would not be any better.

On a tip from Torcer.



  • SNuss

    Libel and slander laws already do that. However, Trump DOES have a point. The Lamestream media is not “free”, it is bought and paid for by the Liberal Left. We need to mightily refute their lies, or else Joseph Gobbels will continue to be proven right.
    “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.

  • Occam’s Stubble

    I wonder where Trump’s commitment to Truth in the Press was when he had his buddy over at the National Enquirer run libelous stories about Cruz.

  • JeffersonSpinningInGrave

    Give this man a cigar.

    Slander others, threaten to sue your critics. Not what I look for in a candidate.

  • Grumpy Cat

    You think you have it bad now with Trump saying “mean things”? You morons. You plan on handing the election over to Hillary. Hope you enjoy your corner of the boxcar on the ride to the FEMA camp. Better pray that it’s not the corner everyone shits in.

  • stone cruiser

    Guess you are one of those who want to keep the status quo, and who does not mind an even more socialist government. Why would you want 8 more years of what we have now, maybe worse? The only answer I can come up with is you are actually a democran disguised as a freedom loving American..

  • KirklesWorth

    Libel and slander (defamation) is illegal – where’s the ambiguity? Just because the threshold is higher for public figures doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist and can’t be acted upon. I bet it makes moonbats worry…

  • Occam’s Stubble

    My idea of freedom is not having a guy as president who doesn’t understand the first thing about the constitution.

  • KirklesWorth

    What about a criminal felon who does understand the constitution and chooses to do whatever she wants? At least Trump will be watched like a hawk and have plenty of people to point out your important constitutional issues instead of Hillary running roughshod over our country while politicians smile and hold out their hands (and watch their backs).

  • James Sisco

    That headline makes you sound like a little girl, all butthurt cause your boyfriend can’t make it to the prom. Just vote for Hillary and spare everyone your tears of rejection. And fuck Cruz and they rest of the little girls who are cowards, refusing to honor the republican pledge.

  • MicahStone

    “It is not “freedom of the press” when newspapers and others are allowed
    to say and write whatever they want even if it is completely false!”

  • KirklesWorth

    Should they be allowed to say and write lies?

  • George Lortz

    You mean like we have now ?

  • BostonLiberty

    The 4th Estate is dead. Corporate media is supporting their candidate in Hillary. Unless you are blind and deaf, there is no mistaking the insane liberal bias against Trump in the media.

  • landru

    Umm, Dave, he’s obviously referring to libel and defamation and yes, the government, in the form of courts, does then decide truth or fiction (as well as malicious intent).
    But, no let’s just pretend that objecting to the press making false allegations against a political candidate is somehow worthy of derision and wild claims of Tsarist repression This is exactly what moonbats do, but seeing it on this site is no longer a surprise to me.
    Ted Cruz lost. Get over it. If you still insist that Trump would be worse than Hillary, you’ve lost whatever marbles you ever had.

  • KirklesWorth

    Unfortunately, his Moonbattery’s moonbattery has chased a lot of people away with his anti-Trump Hillary-enabling. There are only a few left that try to keep the progressive-liberal-socialist criminal felon from becoming president, but the Moonbattery moonbats are higher in numbers and sometimes life-threatening.

  • Tom

    So…you are completely ignorant of the definition of the word “libel”. Got it!
    “Wah! Wah! The mean Enquirer said mean things about my dreamboat Canadian-born putz!”

  • grayjohn

    Singling out Trump is silly since they ALL suck.

  • KirklesWorth

    Don’t you think Hillary would suck more since she would keep 11 million illegal aliens, no border enforcement, illegal aliens obtaining rights and citizenships, increased gun control, more gun background checks, “assault weapons” ban, softer law enforcement, expanding Obamacare, no school vouchers, green energy debacles, global warming nonsense, offshore drilling banned, fracking banned, Keystone pipeline banned, more “stimulus” spending, increased EPA regulations, higher minimum wage, etc.?

  • zolt

    I’m thinking that you may want to be more concerned with the most criminal and conspiratorial, I would add perverse clinton foundation and the manner in which it enriched the clinton gang and manipulated government resources (both ours and theirs/others) than picayune criticisms of Trumps hyperbolic rhetoric.

  • kirklesworthInfowarsTroll

    That would be you Trumpanzee trolls who chased people away, NOOB. You were never even on this site until two or three months ago. Many of us have been here for nearly a decade before that. MB was never like this until you vermin infested it. So pontificate elsewhere you nutless wonder.

    Crawl back to Infowars where you belong and suck Alex Jones dick. No one here is interested in your fascism, except to fight it of course.

  • 762×51

    ROTFLMFAO!!!

    FASCISM, there it is for all to see. The First Amendment be damned huh, wrinkledick? Letting free markets decide what they are going to support and what they are going to let die, be damned. LOL, You and your crony capitalist candidate suck every bit as much as Hillary Clintion. You just have own brand of criminal behavior you want to see implemented. We don’t want either of you fucktards.

    Dave – All you can add to JerklesWorth post is QED.

  • KirklesWorth

    Speak of the life-threatening psycho-troll, here it is! They released it from it’s nightly romp out of its cage. Once again going off half-cocked (no insult intended) and ranting about some ridiculous unproven lies with nothing of substance to add. Perfect timing!

  • 762×51

    I LOVE this! Your Progressive fascism is really starting to peak JerkoffWorth.

    You haven’t even gotten to eliminate the First Amendment and you already want to come after those of us who will surrender to your fascism. See little boy, I knew you would go this far and more which is why I offered you combat. You are a Progressive who will never stop trying to force others to your ideology. I am a Conservative who will never conform to your ideology. The two cannot coexist and so one must die.

    Go fuck yourself, fascist.

  • 762×51

    Speaking of being completely ignorant, slave, how is it that a janitor like you has access to a computer?

    Your support of the National Enquirer as a”news” outlet is noted along with wrinkeldick’s Inforwars “news” source. The pattern emerges as to how it can be that fucktards like you are so completely and utterly stupid, now we know.

    Se slave, Occam was saying that tRump is duplicitous(that means dishonest) when he whines about libel, which Occam used the correct form of defamation in this context, Apparently YOU don’t know the definition of libel, dumbass.

    tRump participates in the very behavior he then decries, laughable. Of course you fools believe that the same guy paid off corrupt politicians for decades is going to clean up corruption so how smart could you possibly be?

    have a slave day, slave.

  • 762×51

    I like how the Trumpanzees solution to eight years of a thin skinned narcissist like Obama is to elect a thin skinned narcissist like tRump. Putting that carnival barker in office will not only cheapen it, the calliope music is going to annoy the crap out of me.

  • 762×51

    “Your important constitutional issues”? Wouldn’t it be OUR important constitutional issues? Assuming you are 1. and American, 2. a non-Progressive anti-constitutionalist.

    So which is it JerkOffWorth? Are you not an American or are you an American who is anti-Constitution? We already know you are a Progressive fascist;

    “KirklesWorth • 5 hours ago
    Libel and slander (defamation) is illegal – where’s the ambiguity? Just because the threshold is higher for public figures doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist and can’t be acted upon. I bet it makes moonbats worry. As a matter of fact, some of the anti-Trump comments sound like moonbats’ over-reaction to something similar to the 2nd amendment “threat”.”

    Just trying to determine if you are a foreign combatant or a traitor.

  • 762×51

    We all can see your bullshit for what it is, dick face. Trying tio spin it as something else makes you look weak and pathetic . . . too late.

    Troll on NOOB.

  • 762×51

    Interesting since it was the liberal media who put tRump in as GOPee nominee with $2B in free advertising against the rest of the Republican field.

    They have done this repeatedly for the last several quadrennial election cycles. Pump up the most Progressive candidate on the Republican side, make him the nominee then destroy him in the general election in favor of the Democrats. History proves it.

  • grayjohn

    Of course she would suck more, but all that is coming anyway since they are all on the same side and that side is not ours.

  • 762×51

    In the final analysis, Jerklesworth’s entire argument boils down to tRump sucks less than Hillary, LMAO! His naive and ignorant belief that the enemy of my enemy is my friend has failed more times throughout human history than can be counted.

  • Tom

    So what jobs did YOU have in your youth? I worked at a lot of different stuff, in the real world.
    What have YOU ever done? Or were you sheltered and pampered and not one for going out of the house much?
    Ever hitch-hiked anywhere? Ever worked a graveyard shift? Ever worked at a minimum-wage job?
    You’re a cloistered little weenie-whiner.

  • 762×51

    So, your entire argument is that tRump would suck less than Hillary. Sounds like a highly qualified candidate. One fly in that salad, his negatives are higher than hers which would indicate that he doesn’t suck less than she does.

    He has, of course already walked back most of the talking points you copied from his website and have pasted here over and over again. Of course, as a devotee of Alex Jones, you wouldn’t know that.

    Taking the advice of an imbecile makes you an imbecile.

  • jan_poster

    “Go fuck yourself, fascist.” This is what this site has sunk to, apparently with Dave’s full approval.

  • 762×51

    It is all the fascists deserve. There can be no discourse with them, as they have proven repeatedly over the last year. You evidently have not seen the exchanges with Brony Tom or the other Trumpanzee vermin. I recommend you go back and read their crap to get a fuller picture of what they have done here.

    I will not engage in conversation with them, I will only engage in battle with them. They have come to MB daily for the last 15 months and ridiculed, insulted and vilified Dave for expressing a position that does not conform to their cultist beliefs. As the MOD, Dave has stayed out of it so someone has to oppose them. They have earned every thing I dish out to them.

  • 762×51

    LOL, what the fuck does that have to do with anything, asshole? Are you trying to assess my worthiness like a good little elitist?

    Let’s see, worked minimum wage job, check.
    Worked graveyards, check.
    Hitch hiked, check.

    Now how about you, pussy?

    Have you ever kicked in a door and killed the terrorists inside?
    Have you ever run a no shit for real combat patrol?
    Have you ever crawled through rat infested rubble evading enemy patrols to observe a CP?
    Have you ever spent multiple nights and days in a hide, vulnerable to attack by two AND four legged predators like jaguars and bears to recon an enemy operation, rain or shine?
    Have you ever been held prisoner in an animal cage with human and animal feces, 25degrees, unclothed, unfed, the only “water” present is in the piss bucket in the corner. Beaten, electrocuted, placed in a small box for hours or days at a time, taken out only to be tortured some more?

    Yeah, I’ve been pampered alright.

    Go on pussy, tell me how rough your life has been,I’m bleeding all over the rug for you, nothing pussy whiner. I did all that, just so you can sit around and brag about what a rebel you are for “hitchiking”. I’m sooo impressed.

  • Tom

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Technicolor melodrama…
    And now you’re reduced to shrieking at strangers over the internet. Sad!

  • FVS

    A week or so ago I wrote a piece asking when the public would reach its tipping point in regards to the ongoing human slaughter at the hands of Islam. Well today I reached a tipping point of my own. Not in regards to Islam per se, but in regards to all the whimpering, crybaby, selfish, petulant jerks of the so called Republican pundit class. These self appointed Czars of conservative orthodoxy have finally pushed to far.

    I can’t and won’t claim to speak for anyone but myself, but I know I am not alone in the feelings I am about to express. But I would appreciate my readers who share this opinion to pass it on to any and all of their like minded friends.

    Collectively this entire bunch oh know-it-alls has been bellyacheing about the poison of political correctness for the last two decades at least. For nearly as long we’ve heard lecture after lecture about how foolish and destructive Bush Derangement Syndrome was/is and that it was little more than a rhetorical distraction from the political class’s (both Republicans and Democrats) inability and to get anything done beyond running their mouths about what they claimed to think needs to be done.

    Well now the primary season is over and for the first time in over a third of a century the Republican voters have demonstrated loud and clear who and what they want. And guess what, it is exactly what these selfish jerks have been claiming they stand for for just about as long. Only problem is Trump actually means it and he is giving no indication that he is going to sell out to the apparatchiks of Wall Street and the one party state.

    None of this is to say that some of these pundits haven’t produced some insightful work. Charles Krauthammer and George Will have had their moments, even if George is past his expiration date and would be better served to retire and concentrate on writing about Baseball. Bernie Goldberg’s several works on the naked bias of the news media remain as relevant as ever. (Perhaps he should go back and read some of them while looking in the mirror.) Jonah Goldberg’s “Liberal Fascism” is an absolute 21st century tour de force and should be required reading in every history AND philosophy curriculum in the country. That leaves Bill Kristol who isn’t even a has been, he’s just a sanctimonious never was, with money as far as I’m concerned.

    All that said for all their past efforts, come 2016 and Donald Trump, who clearly has no interest in bending to their interpretation of what conservatism is or should be, they all have their panties in a massive collective bunch. We get it, they’re not particularly happy about having a Republican nominee who espouses his disgust with political correctness, his contempt for the fecklessness of the Democrats, expresses his desire to put the interest of the American people first on his agenda and but at the same but time has no interest in kissing their backsides or advancing the aggressive neocon agenda of endless war and endless debt. So rather than shutting up and holding their noses for Trump, exactly as so many of us did for Romney, McCain and the Bushes, they have responded to this giant hemroidal panty wad by effortlessly and collectively, taking the shoe of political correctness and Bush Derangement Syndrome off of their left foot, crossed off Bush, added Trump and slipped it back on their right foot without the slightest bit of discomfort.

    Through all this apparently none of them can see nor admit what pathetic hypocrites they are making of themselves. All their pontifications in their weekly columns about wanting what’s in the best interest of the country and the people is exposed as just as much of a lie as the same garbage when it comes out of the mouths of the Democrats. No different than the Democrats, they are wedded to the interests of the party, Wall Street bailouts and neocon globslist interventions.

    These jerks, every one of them know perfectly well that a Hillary Clinton administration and her appointing the next two or three Supreme Court Justices will be the end of the American experiment in Republican representative government just as surely as Augustus’s reign sealed the fate of the Roman Republic. Many of them have even said so themselves. But they have let their smallnes, their petulance and their own high opinion of themselves come to out weigh any loyalty they had to the Constitution, the Republic and the American people. And yes I deliberately constructed that last sentence in the past tense.

    Today’s column by Bernie Goldberg, insinuating that Donald Trump was nothing more than a cat’s paw for the Clintons has simply pushed me over the edge of civil restraint. As the title of this piece says: Enough is enough is enough. So rather launch into a string of well deserved vituperations, name calling and my own insinuations about their characters, I will issue them all a fair warning.

    Should Hillary Clinton prevail in November it will not just be by whatever corruptions and frauds she and the Democrats cook up. It will be equally because they have continued to spread deception, dissention and division on the right. They will in fact be even more responsible for the death of the Republic than even Hillary herself simply because they know better.

    As part and parcel of the destruction of our rights and freedoms that she will bring about, they should not be so further deluded as to think they will be immune from the wrath of those patriots who will not go quietly into the dark night of socialist tyranny. The politicians might be able to spend our money to build higher fences around the White House and Congress. Hell they can wall off all of DC for all I care. That won’t change the fact that we know exactly who these sniveling little worms are and what they will have done. I’ll leave it to their own imaginations as to what their fates might become should righteous indignation come combined with broken patience.

  • Jackieabautista1

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  • KirklesWorth

    Well done FVS! We’ve been trying to slow-walk them to an epiphany, but some would rather foment an uprising rather than “compromise their conservative ideals”. They are the tyrannical right, and their candidates are losers.

  • KirklesWorth

    Disqus doesn’t care either.

  • 762×51

    Said the coward who isn’t man enough to face one on one.

    I notice you failed to address even one of my questions, meaning that you have never done anything more “courageous than “hitchiking”. Where were hitchiking too, Tommy, the bath house – again? This just proves you cannot separate movies from reality.or were just trying to cloak your cowardice by ignoring the things I’ve done? A good Progressive never admits the facts, something you have demonstrated many times here. I still do much that stuff, regularly

    Living out your pussy life in movies and pretending you are a courageous rebel for “hitchiking”. Now THAT is sad.

    Go back to your dolls little slave, you aren’t good for anything.

  • 762×51

    Yeah, because JerkoffWorth reports everything he doesn’t like and especially anyone who disagrees with his fascist ideology. LOL, bet you are the head of your HOA, one of those nosy little maggots who thinks they need to control everything. I can just see you walking around your neighborhood writing down “violations” you can report. Your whole miserable existence revolves around fascism and unless tRump wins, you will never be able to force your weasel self on anyone except those in your immediate vicinity,

    Hey wrinkledick, report me again, I love to see you all pissed off about it or maybe you could try blocking me, LMFAO!!!

  • FVS

    The only major change in newspapers over the last half a century is consolidation of ownership into the hands of a few corporate giants. Time was if you didn’t like the bias, propaganda, yellow journalism (call it what you will) from one paper. You could step to the other end of the news stand and fingers one that presented a different view or find one with a view different than either of the others.

    In the public realm that almost never happens anymore. Outside of the or four of the largest cities there is only one paper available and most of these are owned by chains controlled by the large papers like the NYTimes, the Chicago Tribute or the Los Angles time. They even freely print each other’s opinion a d so-called news stories so freely as to be completely homogenous in there out put.

    They all preach “diversity” except in that one most important realm – opinion! The NYTimes has even written that when it comes to Donald Trump they no longer feel they have any obligation to journalist ethics! As if they hadn’t abandoned those years ago.

    The “fourth estate” is no longer the people’s watchdog on government corruption and fraud. It has become government’s mouthpiece, its ministry of propaganda. Joseph Goebbels is looking up from hell and smiling as newspapers and news media have sold their souls to the same devil he served.

  • Bobo

    Your premise is that I should fear Hillary enough to vote for someone that I don’t want as my president. My vote DOES matter to me….which is why I will not vote for Donald Trump. He is immoral, a narcissist, and lies constantly. I will grant you that I perceive his statements and backflips as lies, when it is just as likely that he doesn’t say what he really means. My problem with this though is that given time to clarify, he doubles down, or refuses to say that he simply mis-spoke. Worse than any of these things, he is dangerously ignorant of the constitution, separation of powers, current events, and foreign affairs. I am all for a candidate that has not held elected office, but that does not mean you get a free pass. He has had ample time to learn, read-up, consult experts, and better equip himself to field questions or develop plans and strategies.

    Donald Trump is not a conservative in the slightest. These people you reference that have been demanding a conservative, are still doing just that. Simply because Donald Trump is not a typical politician, does not make him a conservative, or a good republican candidate. You are right though, Trump did win the nomination of the republican party, but you are wrong to assume or demand my support of a candidate. Donald Trump has done nothing to appeal to conservatives. He has tried to appeal to everyone but conservatives.

    My vote for Evan McMullin (write-in or on ballot) is not a vote for Hillary Clinton. It is a vote for sanity and the candidate that I most align with, and can support in good faith, and believe would represent the United States and its people the best.

    My vote is not decided upon in fear of the outcome of any one presidency. It has always been and will always be founded in conservative principles, morals, and those that I feel will best uphold them. If the republicans lose the presidential election this cycle, I do not blame the media talking heads that have raved about him from the beginning, and I do not blame those that chose to support him, and I do not blame the liberal media. It falls to the only individual responsible for how he has chosen to run his campaign, communicate with his supporters, and appeal to the American people, Donald Trump.

  • Tom

    “…like jaguars and bears…”
    Really? Jaguars are native to South / Central America, extending up as far as Northern Mexico and perhaps a tiny sliver of AZ / NM. Black bears are native to North America, with perhaps small populations as far south as Northern Mexico. Not much overlap between where jaguars live and where bears live.
    So where were you at risk of both bears AND jaguars? MCAS Yuma?

  • KirklesWorth

    What is immoral is giving the country over to a progressive-liberal-socialist criminal felon.

  • Bobo

    Yes, the common response. The “there’s worse” argument… which I’ve more than addressed. I will not cast my vote as a fear response. The party should have thought of that before making him the nominee. I will repeat. A Trump loss in an election that should be a cake walk, is on the shoulders of no-one but Donald Trump. I am not a #nevertrump supporter, but that doesn’t mean I’m going to shut my eyes and vote for him either. he has plenty of time to clean up his act.

    I don’t know, maybe it is just me, but if Trump supporters took as much time to hold their candidate accountable, and work to refine the message, maybe his support would improve. Instead, you are taking his lead, and out to intimidate, scare, and demand people vote for him regardless. ..distracting from main messages and the issues, wanting to respond at every corner.

  • FVS

    So you would rather vote for a proven pathological liar who has lusted for power since the day she married the serial rapust fro. Arkansas and who clearly has debilitating mental issues that in and of themselves disqualifies her from office. A woman who lies about everything she says and regards everyone else as peon in her service at best. I have not the slightest doubt that you haven’t even thought about what promises and or bribes Hillary has made to secure the endorsement if the neocon NWO Republicans that the Democrats have been attacking for the last 30 years. Just goes to show how truely demented the Democrat party has become. She is going to sell you out as soon as she set foot back in the White House and then present a sting of excuses for doing it and idiots like you will swallow them hook line and sinker while she laughs in your face.

  • KirklesWorth

    Maybe you don’t know what being an adult is. It is making the tough choice when the answers aren’t always clear. If it so tough for you to make a decision, than maybe it would be easier to explain why you would permit Hillary to do these things:

    1. keep 11 million illegal aliens
    2. no border enforcement
    3. Importing millions more imigrants and “refugees”
    3. illegal aliens obtaining rights and citizenships
    4. increased gun control
    5. more gun background checks
    6. “assault weapons” ban
    7. softer law enforcement
    8. expanding Obamacare
    9. no school vouchers
    10. green energy debacles
    11. global warming nonsense
    12. offshore drilling banned
    13. Keystone pipeline banned
    14. more “stimulus” spending
    15. increased EPA regulations
    16. higher minimum wage
    17. progressive-liberal-socialist supreme court

  • FVS

    That is exactly what you are doing. They vote for Hillary Clinton is a boat to guarantee that’s your civil rights to self-defense will be destroyed. Once that is gone there are no other civil rights. Is Donald Trump the perfect candidate? No. But I would rather take my chance with his imperfections then the assured evil that the Clintons represent.

  • Bobo

    so now I’m not an adult? lol …clueless. Where did I say that I had a hard time making a tough decision? It wasn’t a difficult decision for me at all. I’m not voting for Donald Trump. I’m voting for Evan McMullin. Since when do republicans and conservatives blame other people for their choices and decisions. I thought they were the party of taking responsibility. All I’m hearing from Trump supporters isn’t how great he is, or how good he will be for the nation. It’s all – how bad Clinton is, how horrible she is for the country, and how it will be my fault that she is elected. …unbelievable. You haven’t heard a word.

  • Bobo

    Hmm…I’m not really sure how to respond to this. …you obviously didn’t read a thing I wrote. I’m not voting for EITHER proven pathological liar. I’m voting for Evan McMullin…..which I clearly stated in my first post.

    Why is it that people want to convince me of why Hillary doesn’t deserve the office, versus tell me why Trump does deserve it???

    Arguing your points from a position of “well its better than the alternative” or pointing out how bad the other lead candidate is, versus the positions, policies, morals, and principles your candidate holds is one of extreme weakness.

    …which just goes to another problem indicative of Trump as the republican nominee. His campaign is being run, and his supporters are arguing from positions of weakness, not strength.

    Hillary Clinton most certainly does not deserve the office, but quite frankly, even if she did deserve it, I couldn’t vote for her because of her positions and policies.

    Donald Trump doesn’t deserve it either. I disagree with his economic policies that he’s laid out. He is extremely weak on foreign policy, and he has flip flopped on too many positions for me to comfortably trust what he is going to do. If this isn’t the case for you, then good for you. Vote for him, but don’t come to me whining that Hillary Clinton is worse, that I’m a traitor or immoral, or that if he loses its my fault. ..Grow a spine, inform yourself on his policy positions, and work to convince me from that position of strength that he is the best choice available.

  • KirklesWorth

    Stop putting words in my mouth – I didn’t call you anything, neither non-adult or Hillary helper. It’s the people who attack Trump for no other reason than because they don’t like him that are the Hillary-enablers. You at least are endorsing someone against Hillary.

    You can’t fathom that avoiding a hell is quite a compelling reason to do – or not do – something that would be less of a hell?

    And I hear plenty. Do you? In terms of Evan, McMullin, Charles Krauthammer isn’t impressed.

    He’s not running for president, he’s running to be what Ralph Nader was to Al Gore was in 2000, although he did it inadvertently which is to siphon off enough conservative…traditional conservative republicans, to cost Trump perhaps a state or two in a close election. It’s a way to give an anti-Trump republican, who cannot possibly stomach voting for Hillary, a place to go rather than writing in another name. That’s what he is trying to do, he’s allowed to do it, but he’s not running for president. https://share.grabien.com/file.php?id=106170&searchorder=date

    https://caching1.grabien.com/media/a/streams/0106/svlkna_Byzrm_I6MqW6W9g/1471345056/106170.mp4?key=svlkna_Byzrm_I6MqW6W9g

  • KirklesWorth
  • Bobo

    You haven’t argued from any of those positions or policies. As if a yes/no is a policy position. If life were just that easy. …that aside, I’m well aware of that post. I’m also well aware that in the case of Trump, you could easily check yes/no for each of those items depending on the debate, interview, year, or any given context. …hence, he has not earned my trust in how he will actually govern, so he has not earned my vote.

  • FVS

    No you are not. You are a sniveling little coward. You stupidly think that when the SHTF and your right get flushed down the toilet your being able to say “Well I voted for a third party nobody who didn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell so it’s not my fault” is going to make a difference. Once our rights are destroyed it takes a generation at least for the destruction to run its course. And in the course millions will die because selfish idiots like you wanted to stand on some nonexistent principle. Look at Venezuela, Cuba, Soviet Russia, Mao’s China, Pol Poet’s Kamer Rouge. You are indeed a childish, selfish coward. How cares for nothing but yourself.

  • Bobo

    …go read what you wrote. I didn’t put a single word in your mouth. I’m not convinced that Trump would be less of a hell, as you put it. …as I stated in my original response, I decide who I’m going to vote for based on the morals, principles, and policies they ascribe to. …not anyone else. …Krauthammer, OReilly, Greta, Hannity, Blitzer, Humes, Limbaugh..or pick another.

    If this election has shown me one thing, it is that many of these people that lauded themselves as conservative voices, are in it for their own personal gain. To be clear, I’m not referring to those that have chosen after the process, to support Trump. I’m referring to the Hannity’s, Ingraham’s, and Coulter’s….all of whom were all in for Trump early in the primary process. I can respect the position of those that feel that they must vote for Trump as he is the nominee for the party, but I’ve lost respect for these conservative “leaders” who were all in with a man from the beginning that is anything but conservative.

    While I can respect the position of people that feel that need to vote for him because he is the nominee, I have never voted Republican, because someone had an “R” beside their name. I have always voted conservative, and will continue to do so. Am I willing to compromise on issues, of course. I have in the past in voting for Bush, McCain, and Romney, but I cannot do it in this election cycle. Evan McMullin has given me an alternative that I can comfortably vote for.

  • Bobo

    …yeah…ok. I’m not the one throwing a tantrum because he didn’t get what he wanted. I’m not convinced in the slightest that Trump is any better than, or will protect my rights, any better than Hillary Clinton. …but hey, if you want to continue to be venomous and alienate votes, be my guest. As you can see that is working wonders for Trump thus far. …so keep it up.

  • KirklesWorth

    It is amazing how something so black-and-white is dismissed by peoples’ “feelings”. Does this chart give you any more “perspective” of what you will be getting with each candidate? http://presidential-candidates.insidegov.com/compare/40-70/Hillary-Clinton-vs-Donald-Trump

    Okay, you don’t trust Trump. How about Hillary? Do you believe she won’t invoke every single progressive-liberal-socialist agenda out there? Willing to gamble on a mediocre Trump presidency over a Hillary tyranny?

  • FVS

    You just another little sissy boy who wants to run to his “safe space” and for whom your feeling comfortable is more important than anything or anyone else. McMullin is a shill for Hillary Clinton and nothing more. Your just a little millennial p u s s y, self absorbed, self indulgent and profoundly ignorant what this country has experienced and stands for. I doubt you ever sacrificed anything for anyone. Enjoy Gulag Clinton because that’s what you are voting for. If it was just you and idiots line you who were going to be do confined I wouldn’t care. I’d say you got what you deserve. But your stupidity will drag millions of innocents into the same grave.

  • KirklesWorth

    So, saying “so now I’m not an adult?” and “how (Trump supporters say) it will be my fault that she is elected” isn’t putting words in this Trump-supporter’s mouth?

    We know about the conservative snobbery that would condemn the United States to Hillary’s rule as punishment for nominating a “distasteful” candidate to them like Trump. We know how the “conservatives” won’t defend the liberties and rights they know Hillary will take away – possibly never to be recovered. We know that “conservatives” would allow Hillary to import millions of illegal democrats and allow felons to vote so that no republican – conservative or otherwise – will be elected again. Yes, we know.

  • Bobo

    Oh no, sorry. I was not dismissing the information. I’m simply saying that many of those issues are more complex than a simple yes or no; however, as a guide, yes it is fairly useful as a starting point. That said, the problem with it listing out Donald Trump’s positions, is that his have changed so much. I completely get and understand that people “evolve” or change in policy positions and what not. My concern with Donald Trump’s is they change so often, including recently, and are often polar opposite of previous positions. ..so yes, that has created a trust issue with me.

    In addition, he has had an entire primary and post convention season to brush up on many issues, foreign and domestic, but in appearance, has not, or lacks substance when discussing those points. …this does not include my concerns over his moral fortitude as a candidate either.

    I hear you in comparing them to Hillary, but I’ve never evaluated who I’m going to vote for based off the worse alternative. I’m not going to do that here either. Quite frankly, that is what has gotten republicans and conservatives in the mess and division we are in now as it is.

    If we were going to honestly discuss fears and consequences, mine is that the republican party is over. It has already undergone some self-implosion, but believe it is going to self-destruct regardless of November’s outcome at this point. This election cycle, and I’m not going to blame Trump for this, has hastened what was 30 years in the future, to a year or 2. There is simply too much division at this point for it to recover, I’m afraid. …and honestly, we are seeing that division, worsen, not improve.

  • Bobo

    Unfortunately, I think you’ve hit on the pain point, although I would probably frame it differently. I don’t blame Trump supporters, nor do I describe Trump as distasteful. Does he make alot of comments that he shouldn’t, sure. ..but honestly, I am fairly dismissive of those. I have a hard time understanding why he continues to make them, when they don’t work, but again, those are superficial to me. My issues with Trump are his current or changing policy positions.

    What is interesting to me is how many supporters of Trump could be summed up by saying they are sick and tired of Washington, politicians, and political compromise that puts us in messy situations, but those same supporters aren’t asking people that don’t support or trust Trump to compromise, they are demanding it, and angry that they won’t. It is ok to demand that I compromise my beliefs and positions, but it is unreasonable for me to want to see Trump compromise or re-think some of his positions. Maybe he would be willing to, but we can’t get that far in a conversation without hearing the fear driven ultimatum from Trump himself, or some of his supporters.

  • KirklesWorth

    You sure do put in a lot of work in typing things that we are all familiar with. As long as you are looking to defeat Hillary, you are good in my book. Whether or not Evan McMullin makes the cut or ends up a vote-splitter is going to be an issue for me.

  • Bobo

    There is seriously something wrong with you. ..but feel free to continue the alienation, fear driving, and assumptions.

  • KirklesWorth

    It’s a dichotomy for sure. The approach many of us Trump-supporters are taking is #1 defeat Hillary, #2 deal with Trump. Trump will be watched like a hawk but Hillary will run roughshod and destroy the country in her wake – and you know the politicians – republicans included – will let it happen with smiles on their faces and their hands out.

  • FVS

    Morons like you are to stupid to recognise that the elitist elements of the Republican party and those of the Democrats are virtuality identical. Just why the hell do you think the NWO neocon crowd of the Republican party is running g to Hillary’s side? People like you shouldn’t even be allowed to vote. Youre are just too damn stupid.

  • FVS

    Tantrum? Yes I get angry when I’m consistently exposed ignorant fools like you . People like you are no different than the idiots in Germany who voted for Hitler and justified it by saying to themselves “well at least he’s not a communist.”

  • KirklesWorth

    I love the fire, but hope you can tone down the alienation.

  • Torcer

    Several of the items o n that list are also questionable – such as Trumps support of the people’s Commonsense Civil Right of Armed Self-Defense.

    Let’s put the 2nd Amendment ON THE TABLE and ask WHY do we NEED IT? – Ben Carson
    Watch below at about the 1:15 minute:
    https://youtu.be/fyQ71Bd91yQ
    This could be sleepy-eyes Carson just blurting out irrationalities like he is often wont to do, but I have a feeling that this is actually a campaign trial ballon. El Trumpo already has shown that he’s on the side of the Democrat circle jerk last night, so I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s wanting to negotiate more on ripping up our 2nd Amendment protections. A trial balloon like this would let him see if the general populace shoots it down immediately with their menacing black “assault rifle” “military grade” AR-15s, or if they let the balloon fly fly away along with their Constitutional rights.
    Read more: http://therightscoop.com/lets-put-the-2nd-amendment-on-the-table-and-ask-why-do-we-need-it-ben-carson/

    Donald Trump Lied About His Support Of The Second Amendment http://bearingarms.com/donald-trump-lied-support-second-amendment/

    Trump No Long Supports Ban On Assault Weapons… For Now http://bearingarms.com/trump-long-supports-ban-assault-weapons-now/

    Trump Reverses Stance on Assault Weapons in New Policy Paper – ABC News – http://abcn.ws/1F7cde6 via @ABC

  • KirklesWorth

    Even McMullin looks even better after another Torcer anti-Trump hit! How are McMullin’s polls? Aren’t you concerned?

  • Bobo

    ..wait wait..so I’m saying, that I’m not going to vote for a guy simply because he’s “not as bad as the other guy”, you are arguing that I should because “he’s at least better than Clinton”, but I’m like the Germans who voted for Hitler. ……oh boy.

  • SNuss

    Of course Trump’s negatives are higher. He is being attacked by not just Hillary, but the Lamestream media, and the whiny #nevertrumpers. BTW, the media are the ones creating the (highly biased) polls, to give you the results that THEY want.

  • Bobo

    To be fair, you are misrepresenting the context of what Carson said. I have very little patience for that either. Carson is speaking in context to the lack of discussion and debate on issues. He is arguing for democracy, a substantive debate on the issues and policy versus just the emotion, name calling, and demands. You pointing to the second in a video that he makes a statement is a falsehood, and trying to trap people into a perceived slight to those that are 2nd amendment supports, of which I am.

    Your miss-characterization of that statement gives a perfect example as to why Trump supporters are so fed up with the same old same old, and find Trumps “say it like it is” approach refreshing. It is also, quite frankly, something that republicans and conservatives should not be doing to one another. Debate the issues, strongly so, but don’t misrepresent like that.

  • Finrod Felagund

    Donald Trump is every bit as much a proven pathological liar as Hillary Clinton.

    http://www.dailywire.com/news/4834/trumps-101-lies-hank-berrien

  • Finrod Felagund

    Those elitist elements of the GOP are why Donald Trump got the GOP nomination.

    I’m not voting for Trump, because I don’t vote for Democrats, period.

  • Finrod Felagund

    When you supported Trump for the GOP nomination, you ensured Hillary’s victory in November by nominating her donor.

    I won’t vote for Trump because I don’t vote for Democrats.

  • Finrod Felagund

    You elected Hillary when you nominated her donor.

  • Finrod Felagund

    You elected Hillary by nominating her donor, idiot Trumpbot.

  • Finrod Felagund

    tl;dr.

    Congratulations, you got Hillary Clinton elected by nominating the one person guaranteed to lose to her, her donor.

  • Bobo

    I would also note by the way, that while a portion of the party did speak loud and clear concerning Trump, and I agree with their sentiment, just not their nominee, it is a rather large generalization to say the majority of the party spoke loud and clear. He won the nomination, fair and square of course, but he did not get a majority of the party to vote for him by any stretch.

  • Noovuss

    I’m new here, are you a war hero?
    Do you have a way of validating your claims?
    It would be shameful to make these claims and not be truthful.
    I don’t know you and please understand that I am not making any accusations, but before I thank you for your service I would like to make sure that this is not another case of false valor. I always get stung on that…

  • KirklesWorth

    Huh? What do you know about what “I” did? Please refrain from citing “psychic friends” or your own imagination for your responses. Obviously you have contempt for the democratic process.

  • KirklesWorth

    The anti-Trump Hillary-enablers’ “plan”:

    #1 Attack Trump & supporters to:
    . . .A. Spark an “uprising”
    . . . – OR –
    . . .B. Punish America for nominating Trump
    . . .C. Offer longshot vote-splitting alternatives or no plan whatsoever
    #2 Goto #1 until election
    #3 “Enjoy” Hillary’s presidency knowing you helped
    #4 Smugly repeat #1 ad nauseam

  • Finrod Felagund

    You got Hillary elected by nominating her DONOR.

    Donald Trump gave money to Hillary Clinton TEN times, including FOUR to her presidential campaign.

    But by all means, keep on bleating with your ears shut like every other Trumpbot out there.

  • Finrod Felagund

    Did or did you not vote for Trump in the GOP primaries?

  • KirklesWorth

    A swing and a miss…

  • Finrod Felagund

    So you’re incapable of answering basic questions?

  • KirklesWorth

    YOU don’t know SQUAT about me.

    Yes, we all know that businessman Trump gave to Hillary before he became candidate Trump. Get over yourself.

  • Finrod Felagund

    Name me ONE other GOP Presidential candidate that gave money to their opponent’s Presidential campaign.

    Get a clue, idiot Trumpbot.

  • KirklesWorth

    “A swing and a miss…” meaning no. Are you incapable of understanding metaphors?

  • KirklesWorth

    Awfully bossy, aren’t you? Sorry, I don’t do requests. How about you tell me how to defeat Hillary?

  • Finrod Felagund

    You seem incapable of writing for comprehension. Maybe you should go to college.

  • Finrod Felagund

    Aw, did my point knock down your tower of blocks? Too bad for you.

    It’s too late to defeat Hillary, because Donald Trump can’t and won’t.

    ANY other candidate could have defeated Hillary.

  • KirklesWorth

    I told you on another comment, I don’t do requests. Now you have my answer “no” to your question “Did or did you not vote for Trump in the GOP primaries?” Were you going to make a point, or it just going to be more hostility?

  • KirklesWorth

    Huh? What tower? What the devil are you talking about?

    So, Hillary can’t be beat…why are you here? Did you want to bask in the satisfaction that you helped get her elected?

    Hmmm…you seem to be delusional. Please indicate which one of these potential candidates could have defeated Hillary (feel free to add more): John Bolton, Jeb Bush, Ben Carson, Chris Christie, Ted Cruz, Carly Fiorina, Jim Gilmore, Lindsey Graham, Mike Huckabee, Bobby Jindal, John Kasich, Sarah Palin, George Pataki, Rand Paul, Rick Perry, Mitt Romney, Paul Ryan, Marco Rubio, Rick Santorum, Scott Walker

  • Finrod Felagund

    Poor Trumpbot, incapable of distinguishing between a question and a statement. Donald Trump does appeal to the uneducated, after all.

  • Finrod Felagund

    Now who’s not understanding metaphors? I’ll type slower for you next time.

    I didn’t vote for the candidate guaranteed to lose to Hillary, Trumpbot.

  • KirklesWorth

    So your question “Did or did you not vote for Trump in the GOP primaries?” fizzled out on you, you have nothing, and you are going to insult me for your failure. Interesting tactic.

  • KirklesWorth

    Maybe you should type slower for your own benefit. You said “ANY other candidate could have defeated Hillary.” and I just posted a list of John Bolton, Jeb Bush, Ben Carson, Chris Christie, Ted Cruz, Carly Fiorina, Jim Gilmore, Lindsey Graham, Mike Huckabee, Bobby Jindal, John Kasich, Sarah Palin, George Pataki, Rand Paul, Rick Perry, Mitt Romney, Paul Ryan, Marco Rubio, Rick Santorum, Scott Walker. And now you tell me you “didn’t vote for the candidate guaranteed to lose to Hillary”? You don’t think that was blatantly obvious? Try focussing on the question instead of giving answers to questions not asked.

  • FVS

    No I voted for Trump and will do so again in hopes that the grip of the NWO, neocon globalists can at last be broken short of another civil war.

    The saddest part, as far as this nation’s future is concerned, is that there are millions of ignorant if not just plain stupid fools like you. Fools who are simply intellectually incapable of seeing that the power elites of both parties bow to to the alter of Wall Street in New York and K Street in DC and who’s only interest is in catering to whoever can line their pockets the fastest and the deepest. All while lying tight to your face about this principle or that principle and how they so truely care about your well being.

    Meanwhile with each successive administration things for main street just get worse and worse and the politicians and bankers get fatter and fatter.

    So along comes Donald Trump who dares day he will put American interests first, who dares tell the globalist to go f themsrlves. And you idiots still can’t figure out why suddenly all the hateful rhetoric between the Democrat all but socialists and Republican neocon corporatist socialists are all kissy face book and united against their common enemy.

    I’d suggest you look up how exactly Mussolini, the founder of fascism defined fascism as the merger of government and corporate interests. “All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state.” Please take some time and try to figure out what that actually means. If you can’t then you are, quite frankly just too f ing stupid to be voting.

  • FVS

    When since at least 1998 and frequently before that had that not been the case? When was the last time we had a President who actually put national interest above globalist interest? Try reading Eisenhower’s Farewell address and then come back and tell me he wasn’t right in every warning he gave. Kennedy tried to get us out of Viet Nam and tried to break the power of the Federal Reserve. He got a bullet for his trouble. We’ve been engaged in almost endless war ever since. The reflections of Orwell’s 1984 are staring us in the face and gools like you still think Democrat vs Republican is actually meaningful. You ignorant Millenial morons will usher in the death of the Republic and think it’s a good thing.

  • Torcer

    That was just one example – he also wanted to knuckle under on the Terror-watch list issue.

    What exactly did I misrepresent?

  • FVS

    Thanks. There are two kinds of #NeverTrump ash holes. The elitists who see their positions of power threatened and the just plain stupid millennial children who actually think they deserve a “safe space” that protects them from bring offended by reality and absolves them of any responsibility for the consequences of, well being stupid self centered millennials. Clint Eastwood nailed it. We’ve raised a nation of p u s s i e s.

  • Torcer

    Brutal: Graph of poll averages shows the impact of Donald Trump’s fight with the Khans
    Remember that bounce that Donald Trump got from the Republican National Convention?

    Josh Jordan @NumbersMuncher
    Trump is now down 7.7 points to Hillary on the RCP avg. At this point, McCain trailed by 3.6 and Romney by 3.8.
    He’s doubled their deficit.

    Trump is known for hitting back hard, but the Democrats and the media hit back harder, and the results are displayed in a graph created by the Washington Post.
    http://twitter.com/TheFix/status/762815630601052160/photo/1
    That’s probably overstating the case; Democrats were certain to enjoy their own bump from the convention in Philadelphia, and by going second, they were able to directly refute points made in Cleveland the week before.

    But the Khan debacle didn’t help, nor did attempts by the Trump campaign and surrogates to shift attention to Sen. Hillary Clinton’s support of the Iraq War. Even the VFW and Medal of Honor recipient Dakota Meyer shamed Trump for his comments.
    http://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2016/08/08/brutal-graph-of-poll-averages-shows-the-impact-of-donald-trumps-fight-with-the-khans/

  • KirklesWorth

    Oh my gosh! Such a blatant non-answer! You wouldn’t be proud of your response.

  • 762×51

    Did I say they were there at the same time? No. Did I say they were black bears? No.

    There are, in fact, 8 bear species, one or more of which can be found on every continent, except Antarctica.

    You really should get out more Brony Bitch.

  • 762×51

    You don’t need to thank me, in fact you don’t need to interact with me at all.

    Those experiences are fairly common among many soldiers, valor has nothing to do with it. Those things are just part of the job. Valor is sacrificing your self for others, I was just doing what I was paid to do.

    The point was to shame a nasty little troll who thinks he’s all that because he has traveled a little and done “wildly” adventurous things like hitchhiking, BFD. The things a soldier does every day exceed what that sniveling little rat has ever done in his whole miserable, stinking life. Even a fobbit has more “wild” experiences than Brony tom.

    My brothers who did not return are war heroes, you want to thank someone, thank them.

  • 762×51

    I agree. The second and fourth estates have, in fact, merged into the fifth estate.

  • Tom

    The only bear native to SA is the Spectacled Bear, which can usually be seen in circuses and sideshows.
    You’re so full of BS…no wonder you’re so angry

  • FVS

    No offence but these mindless twits need a strong dose of reality. I am not the least bit concerned about alienating these millennial little sissy boys or violating their “safe space”. I’ve been a student of history since I was five years old and I first met Gen. Douglas MacArthur. I’m too damn old to tolerate sanctimonious, condescending, ignorant children. I never have been and am not about to start now.

  • Noovuss

    Exactly what I thought.
    SV

  • KirklesWorth

    LOL…have at ’em!

  • Tom

    Yes, but jaguars are only found in South / Central America.
    Please let us know which of the countries in which jaguars are found is considered “enemy territory”, and what were you reconnoitering in your overnight jungle adventure?
    Multiple days and nights hiding from “the enemy” in South America?

  • Tom

    Your boy McMullin is just another establishment drone….what you’re saying is that your faith in the party’s elite is SO STRONG that you will throw your vote away in a futile effort to show your fealty to the party bosses.
    Party bosses don’t like Trump? Neither do you! Party bosses trot out some milquetoast dweeb and tell you he is a better choice than Trump? Yes SIR! I will vote for the establishment choice, while wallowing in my hatred of Trump!
    But please…do go on about your principles and your conscience…we can never get enough of your preening and arrogant smugness.

  • Tom

    “, he has had an entire primary and post convention season to brush up on many issues, foreign and domestic, but in appearance, has not, or lacks substance when discussing those points.”

    So I guess you completely missed his foreign policy speech this week, or his speech about making America safe again?. When even Mark Levin says it (foreign policy) was a great speech, and you’re here bemoaning Trump’s ignorance…Makes you look like you should keep upon the news instead of relying on old HRC talking points.

  • 762×51

    And your point is what idiot? You make up a set of circumstances which I never said then “prove” them false, then criticize me for your made up bullshit. I don’t know how you do it but you manage to combine imbecile and asshole in such a way as to elevate it to an art form.

    Like any good Progressive, you are so bent on disputing everything I say that you either make up your own version of what I say so you can dispute that, as you have done here, or you just refuse to accept reality, as you have also done here.

    That is why I will not have a conversation with you, you are just too much of an asshole to even try to talk to. That plus your limited slave mentality makes you incoherent most of the time.

    Go fuck yourself sonny.

  • 762×51

    So TWICE, you missed the part where I never said they occurred simultaneously. The old shallow learning curve is working overtime today, huh Brony Bitch? There in fact several areas in South and Central America that are considered, “enemy territory”. Anyone who knows about what is happening in the world , beyond the walls of your prison state, realizes that. The United States military currently has operations in 150 countries, outside of the accepted combat zones of Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan, many are very small, less than 100 soldiers. But here is some “top secret” info for you, just between us, ready? Not everything the military does makes the news, shhhh…

  • 762×51

    Oh, that was a thought? Smelled more like you had gas to me.

  • Bobo

    Yes, I must be looking at her talking points to disagree. Yes, I heard the speech. I don’t attribute his knowledge or capabilities to one speech. It would be ignorant to do so.

  • Bobo

    And here we go. …I don’t like Trump so I must be “establishment”. …get over yourself. …I mean seriously…talk about referencing talking points. …but to sooth your bruised ego and pointing, no, it is because of the rank and file that I have left the republican party. …but use whatever straw you need to grasp at to justify your belittling of anyone that doesn’t want to vote for Trump.

  • Tom

    So you can’t answer the question of which South / Central American country you were in when you were hiding out from the jaguars…got it.
    Perhaps because your list of derring-do deeds reads like plot synopses of Arnold Schwarzenegger or Stallone films…In “Collateral Damage”, he is hiding out from the bad guys AND jaguars in the South American jungles…in First Blood: Part 2, Stallone is – just like you! -held captive in a small cage, and subjected to shocks as torture.
    For someone who professes his ignorance of and disdain for American films, you sure seem to have “life experiences” that track closely with shoot-em-up movies that were made during your lifetime.
    Just a coincidence, I’m sure!

  • Bobo

    and in with more of this insanity, assumptions, and alienation. Let me know what your little island gets you in November. Where have I expressed a preference for global interests or constant engagement in other state affairs? Where have I said we should be policing these other nations, or jumping into wars? Where have I said I was a democrat, a republican, agreed with either party, or for that matter, voted along party lines? …nice diversion from your previously flawed statements though. You are going on and on about these concepts and national concerns, assuming that I’m a Clinton supporter, globalist, establishment..the list goes on…simply because I don’t want to vote for Trump. …yet I’m uninformed? …okies.

    As nice as debating with some of you have been, you are a perfect example of what is seriously wrong with the Trump campaign and many of his supporters. You irrationally try to explain things away, or irrationally attack and belittle voters and their voice, as if you don’t need other people’s support, but then arrive back at the ridiculous name calling and “traitorous” behavior of not voting for Trump…all of which implies a fear of losing this election…why? because you alienate voters that you need. …am I describing you or Trump there?

  • Tom

    Well, you pledged your vote to the Establishment candidate so I’m supposed to deduce from that that you are NOT a supporter of the status quo?
    Did you see Maggie Gallagher’s piece the other day in the epicenter of the Never-Trumpers, National Review?
    “I Read Evan McMullin’s Facebook Page So You Don’t Have To”
    From the article in the Anti-Trump NRO:

    “Who is Evan McMullin really? We don’t really know what he’s accomplished because he has had two careers. First, he spent ten years as a CIA spy actively engaged in getting bad guys, and he can’t really talk about that. Then, over the last few years, he worked for House Republicans behind the scenes, as policy director for the House Republican Conference, and he can’t really talk about that, either…
    His website, replete with consultant-massaged pap, gives us no real idea what he cares about. But after he announced, I spent a few hours going through his Facebook page, seeking to find the real Evan McMullin so you won’t have to…
    In three years of Facebook posts, he never commented on a domestic issue, economic or social. He never said anything on any specific issue that a diehard Democrat couldn’t applaud.”

    This milquetoast wonk is your guy? And to be honest, 10 years working at the CIA does not make a “career”…His other 10-year “career” was working with John Boehner and the rest of the establishment in the House.
    What makes you think “Yep…He’s the ONE!”?

    Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/438951/evan-mcmullin-republican-party-establishment-third-party-candidate-conservatives

  • Bobo

    The loss of this specific election can only be laid at the feet of the person running for the office, Trump.
    The loss of the party, is on the shoulders of every conservative and every republican, myself included. The GOP has devolved into a feral mob turned cannibal.

  • Bobo

    ..I guess I’m too young to tolerate sanctimonious, condescending, ignorant, adults of any age paralyzed by fear, and intolerant of anyone that challenges his or her pre-conceived notions.

    You aren’t the least bit concerned, yet completely lose all sanity at the thought of Clinton winning this election, and someone not voting for Trump. …so you must feel a pressing need to have enough votes to win. I don’t know that I’ve met a student of history, as you call it, that didn’t see the correlation between cause and effect, but that seems to be lost on you.

  • Tom

    I see it this way…for every election that I can remember (and that’s going back several decades), the supporters of the also-rans, the supporters of those candidates who ultimately lost to the nominee, have, after some grumbling and perhaps somewhat grudgingly, ended up supporting the nominee.
    The folks who supported Rockefeller came around and even though Nixon was about as far from Rockefeller as you can get ideologically and politically, they ended up throwing their support to Nixon in the interests of their party and their nation.
    The folks who supported George H.W. Bush in 1980 ended up supporting the nominee, Reagan…they didn’t start a many-months-long all-out assault on their party’s own nominee. They didn’t make it a point to, long after the primaries and convention are over, keep yammering ON and ON and ON about how awful, immoral, dishonest, unworthy, and just flat-out despicable the nominee OF THEIR OWN PARTY was…

    Do you recall any organized slander-squads from the purported conservatives or the GOP publishing page after page about how AWFUL Romney was, both as a candidate and a conservative? I don’t. Romney was demonstrably more “progressive” than Trump, but even the folks who didn’t particularly care for the man didn’t set out to degrade and defame and drag his name through the mud like so-called conservatives have done to Trump.
    The assaults which Trump is subjected to by the media – day after day, article after article, deception after deception – aren’t enough, so you have to add your own insults (not meaning you personally) and discontent to the daily onslaught? You don’t think the MSM uses stuff like that to further their narrative? “See?…even his fellow conservatives can’t stand Trump!”

    Look, you anti-Trump folks are passionate…I’ll give you that. Imagine if you sucked it up, supported the GOP / conservative candidate, and used some of that passion to perhaps convince one or two of your neighbors to vote GOP…not just Trump, but all the way up and down. You don’t think that might make a difference?
    Imagine if you poured some of your vehemence out on Hillary…add to the voices AGAINST her, instead of adding your voices to those AGAINST the only frickin’ chance we have to avert a national catastrophe.

  • Torcer

    Let’s see – the discussion is on polls and I posted an article on one – have trouble figuring that out?

  • FVS

    Look ash hole I have both a bachelor’s and a master’s in history. The later from Univ. of Chicago where my thesis advisor was Bernie Meltzer who was one of the prosecutors at Nuremberg. The Clintons are neocon globalists. NWO fabian socialists. They are no different than the Bush clan in any respect. Tell us if you can you f ing moron, just how can you defend any of your rights under the Bill of Rights once the 2nd amendment is gutted? Do you even know what its actual intent is? If you can’t figure out that that people like the Clintons and the Bushes are nothing but front operations for the likes of Goldman Sachs and George Soros and the Rothschilds and that they regard anyone not in their circle as mere peasants to be used and spit upon, then you truely are an f ing moron.

    Neither I nor anyone I know is saying that Trump is some sort of savior of the Republic. All I am saying is that with Trump there is a chance. Under Clinton it will die just as surely as the Roman Republic died under Augustus. If you knew the first thing about history you might understand that. But I seriously doubt you even know who Ciciro or Tacitus of Plutarch were never mind their significance or why men like Washington, Jefferson and Hamilton kept copies of their works right next to their Bibles. Because well you’re an f ing moron.

  • KirklesWorth

    No, I’m just coming to terms with your final goal of a Convention of States, secession, or revolution. That’s the reason why you aren’t endorsing anybody and are manipulating republicans not to vote for Trump. Sorry I was so slow to figure it out. And if you don’t get your Convention of States, secession, or revolution, you can honestly say you weren’t helping Hillary and can blame Trump and his supporters…slick!

  • Torcer

    KirklesWorth

    No, I’m just coming to terms with your final goal of a Convention of States, secession, or revolution. That’s the reason why you aren’t endorsing anybody and are manipulating republicans not to vote for Trump. Sorry I was so slow to figure it out. And if you don’t get your Convention of States, secession, or revolution, you can honestly say you weren’t helping Hillary and can blame Trump and his supporters…slick!

    Where did I advocate those items?

  • KirklesWorth

    Apologies – that was TrojanMan’s comment.

  • FVS

    No. What you have demonstrated quite clearly is that you are both profoundly ignorant oh history and incapable of recognizing power hungry fascists like the Clintons for what they are. I have clearly explained my rational and put it in historical context. But such is meaningless to shallow minded ignorant people. I would suggest you read Eisenhower’s farewell address but I doubt you could grasp it meaning or prescience. You are, no doubt in my mind, one of those millennial twist who think history is irrelevant.

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  • KirklesWorth

    No, we boil it down very simply:

    1. defeat Hillary
    2. deal with Trump

    Is that so difficult to grasp?

  • 762×51

    Or the limited frame of reference of a pansy who plays with dolls and who lives out his pathetic slave life inside of movies.

    In case you haven’t seen a movie on the subject, one does not hide from jaguars, they were merely one threat in that particular environment. Try hiding from your house cat sometime and see how that works, or are you the only pussy living there? It is quite amusing to watch you wiggle around trying to tear me down in order to try and build yourself up.

    Wiggle away, little slave worm.

  • Tom

    “Try hiding from your house cat sometime…”
    Is that how you train for your Jaguars-and-bears-and-ocelots Oh My! jungle adventures?
    Go back to your safe-space.

  • Bobo

    Not at all. I take no issue with you, as you have laid out your positions, priorities, and rational clearly. You’ve also shown supportive documentation to try to persuade readers to your position as well. I respect that. My end conclusion still differs, but I understand yours.

    I have zero patience or tolerance for FVS’s ignorantly spouting off rants and generalizations, making baseless assumptions of conservatives simply because they disagree or don’t want to vote for Trump. His claims and foolish assumptions do nothing to help a conservative cause, nor the cause of Trump’s campaign. ..this gets pointed out, and he doubles and triples down on his vitriol and venomous accusations. He claims others are arrogant, yet arrogantly and stubbornly states he doesn’t care or want their support for Trump. …all of which is really a lie. If he didn’t care and didn’t want the support, he wouldn’t try to so passionately, and sadly angrily, rattle sabers and try to scare people into voting for him. (and for the record, I’ talking about FVS, not Trump) – FVS makes some wild accusation, has it pointed out that it is wrong, and immediately moves to more ranting, name calling, and other wild accusations to see what will stick to the wall. …then arrogantly implies or calls others infantile, childish, young…so on. …it has been quite a sight to behold. …and yet he still thinks he is effectively accomplishing something for Trump. …is quite bizarre.

  • Bobo

    ..so you try to legitimize your insane rants, name calling, alienation, and apparent limited vocabulary with examples of your “higher” education? …really? Are you that out of touch? All you’ve said and demonstrated is your inability to effectively communicate your position and defend it with substance. Instead, you demean, degrade, and establish your intelligence (I’ve never met someone so “intelligent” that is apparently so self-conscious they need to comfort themselves with how dumb everyone else must be) by hurling insults, assumptions, and fear. In all of your rants, I don’t recall a single thing you’ve said or demonstrated positively about the candidate you so aggressively support. Most people point those things out confidently…you’ve continued to side step that. …so keep throwing whatever you can against the wall to see if it sticks.

    …you have successfully made me feel sorry for you though. I’ll give you that.

  • Bobo

    You are correct, in any elections I can recall, the party has come together to support the final candidate…as I have myself in the past. To be fair, I can’t recall a candidate that came out and said he didn’t need a particular set of supporters, or try to appeal to his or her party’s base, or focus his own criticisms of his own parties candidates instead of the democrats. I disagree with you on a couple things, but don’t see a reason to go into some of the specifics, as I can agree with your overall statements.

    I don’t believe I’ve come out and attacked Trump though. I’ve stated where I disagreed on things, and stated I don’t intend to vote for him, but I’m also no longer a member of the republican party. Simply stating I don’t intend to vote for him because I disagree or don’t trust him, is not an attack on him in my opinion. I’ve also said while I do think some of the things he has said or done are over the top, I view those statements as trivial in the larger picture.

    I try to be fair honestly on most things.

    1. Should he come out and say some of the things he has; no, but that is trivial.
    2. Is his campaign disorganized? Yes, but I can accept the “its an unconventional campaign” message.
    3. Are his policy stances conservative? Yes, mostly he is stating center to slightly right stances, but his position migrates on these often, in the past and currently, which personally create trust issues with me, and when you look at much of what he says, it is not coming from a conservative mindset.
    4. Is a candidate entitled to change their stance on issues? Of course.
    5. Is he getting a fair shake in the media? Of course not, what republican nominee has?
    6. Were his foreign policy speech and Wisconsin speech good? Yes, quite
    7. Can he turn this around and win? Yes, he can, but he is going to have to make some organizational adjustments and stay on message. there is no need to respond to every single slight.
    8. Does he have the potential to be a good president? In theory, yes. Any nominee would or should in theory have that potential.
    9. The lesser of two evil arguments? I get it, I simply disagree. No-one has demonstrated an ability to control or filter Trump now, so I’m not sure why people seem to think they could potentially after an election.

    All of these things are anecdotal though that I’ve listed out. I have serious concerns with some of his positions on foreign affairs and economics. Spending and Tariffs would be two examples on the economic side. His promised use of executive orders are also troubling to me. Do I expect a candidate to be perfect? of course not, that is absurd. I do expect candidates to stay on message, his supports not to feel the need to spend the majority of their time explaining or explaining away things the candidate has said, and I do expect the candidate to appeal to the base of the party, upholding conservative principles. I simply am not seeing indications of that, nor have I seen that earlier in his campaign either. I have always made final voting decisions based on policy positions, principles, and moral fiber of a candidate, not whether they have an “R” beside their name.

  • Tom

    Thank you for your thoughtful reply.

  • FVS

    So then anyone who disagrees with you is “insane” as opposed to me saying you’re just stupid or ignorant. Useing accusations of I sanity against political opponents is EXACTLY the methodology of fascists and communists (no difference really) used during g their reigns of terror. Congrats you proved you are just what I thought you are.

  • Bobo

    I said your rants were insane. …but whatever. You can’t have an argument on facts and policies, so again resort to the “who’s comments were worse” tact. Continue to double down. …Even Trump has apparently realized the need to walk back a bit and quit with his alienation, but keep going.

  • 762×51

    It was intended to give a whiny little bitch like you a starting point to work toward eventually becoming a man someday. Now I can see it was too much to expect from you.

    You never did say how you enjoyed BronyCon this year?b

  • FVS

    I’m very not running for anything, your still a fascist and your still ignorant/stupid. Any your Hillary is still brain damaged. So the us just what kind of stupid does it take to facilitate the election of a brain damaged person to the highest office on the land? And don’t give me that third party crap because it’s going to be one or the other. Maybe you should read some Ciciro or even the Federalist Papers. If your ossified brain can interpret their meaning. It would take both concentration and intelligence. Sadly you seem lacking in those departments. Or perhaps your just not paying attention.

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  • Finrod Felagund

    You insult yourself with your moronic drivel. I just have fun mocking you.

  • KirklesWorth

    Do you? Well, when you can’t come up with a cogent argument, I guess that would be all you have left. Mock away!

  • Finrod Felagund

    It’s not my fault that you’re incapable of comprehending a “cogent argument” (using that thesaurus your mom bought you?) if you heard it.

  • KirklesWorth

    Wow…resurrected from 4 days ago. So aside from your m.o. of insults, where is this “cogent argument” you have brought up that I am “incapable of comprehending”?

  • Finrod Felagund

    I get replies to some of my comments months or even years afterwards. It’s not my fault that your writing isn’t interesting enough.

  • KirklesWorth

    It’s difficult to keep things interesting when what you write is lacking any “cogent arguments” – mocking notwithstanding.

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