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Aug 19 2016

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Via Jerry Jones.



  • rex freeway

    He will be there tuesday. To get in the way of clean up. He needs to be shamed until the end of his presidency for doing this

  • Torcer

    Here we have another case of ‘KirklesWorth’ feigning answers whilst demanding them from others.

    KirklesWorth “Do you believe the polls?” Not particularly at this stage of the game.

    And why is this the case? Merely stating disbelief while making vague allusions to other purposes is hardly an answer.
    Please cite how the polls are incorrect with facts and logic – If you can.

    KirklesWorth “Shouldn’t Trump and his followers try something different?” Not necessarily. It gives you the opportunity to point out the failures while skimming over the successes…kind of like what liberals do.

    So Trump’s campaign is sinking and you don’t think they should try something else to salvage it? One would think that a supporter would be bothered by this course of events, and yet you seem to not care – why is that the case?

    Here we see it try to mis-characterize my answer to somehow diminish it without basis:

    KirklesWorth My turn. As whimsical as your statement

    ‘whimsical’
    How do you know this to be the case?

    KirklesWorth “That a candidate who champions liberty wins”, that really isn’t true.

    So are you tacitly admitting Trump doesn’t champion liberty? And you claim to be a Conservative?

    KirklesWorth There are only two viable candidates and neither of them champion your version of “liberty”.

    “your version of “liberty”? What exactly are you talking about? Are there different versions of Liberty?

    KirklesWorth So how about you try again and tell me “what is your desired outcome of this election?”

    Are you denying that I already answered that question?

    KirklesWorth You’ve thrown out Evan McMullin as a distraction

    Really, And just how do you know this?

    KirklesWorth so I won’t claim you have “no alternatives”,

    Really And just how do you know this?
    Be sure to include plenty EXCERPTS and Links from authentic reference sites in your answer.

  • Saxon Warrior

    Sorry to disappoint you, but his shaming has been put on hold. The diary is full. Obama is not available for a public shaming in the foreseeable future.

    He is booked for golf on Tuesday, Anal-bleaching on Wednesday, Muslim all-male gang-bang session on Thursday, Mom-jeans fashion parade on Friday :- Saturday and Sunday are days off – He has a little work on Monday morning (auto-cued speech on Gay and Lesbian rights), Tuesday is ‘sneer at the peasants’ day, Wednesday he is booked into hospital for his condescending-grin mouth-extension operation…. Thursday he’s due to attend a seance with Hillary, Friday he is booked in to have his once a month marital sex session with Michelle (he has already ordered the lube), Saturday is golf again, Sunday….. oh… sorry it’s another day off. Monday he is working again (he has a security brief… probably won’t show up) and Tuesday he has…. mmm… golf again.
    Hang on… let me just skip a few pages… what about next month?

    No… that’s booked up too.

    I’ll try again (skip, skip, skip more pages)….

    Aah… here we are. I can fit you in for a ‘shaming’ in July 2021.

    Bear in mind though that you’ll have to change the name of the shaming event from “shaming of a POTUS” to “Shaming of the Emperor” because Obama has already bought the Queen of England’s crown jewels (with tax-payer’s money) and has booked his coronation for December this year, so by the year 2021 he hopes to be emperor of the World.
    I’m sure that it will happen.

    The coronation will be fabulous. Obama has already chosen his dress for the occasion. It’s a lovely frock with a plunging neckline. Michelle has already ordered her boiler-suit and strap-on!

  • KirklesWorth

    Why didn’t you cite the conversation this was yanked from? You require citations and yet omit the key one in your own post. http://moonbattery.com/?p=75247#comment-2845000115 Time for yet another Open Thread restart. Very well.

    My candidate is doing better than your Evan McMullin – “and yet you seem to not care – why is that the case?

    My candidate is doing way better than your previous candidate Brad Thor, who is now endorsing Trump.

    Evan McMullin’s polling numbers are non-existent – concerned?

    I explained my ambivalence to polls while you seem to have an obsession with them – why is that?. http://conservativetribune.com/trump-shocks-in-newest-poll/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Huckabee&utm_content=2016-08-18&utm_campaign=manualpost

    I compared your tactics to liberal tactics and I don’t see a denial.

    Yes, “That a candidate who champions liberty wins” is whimsical: whim·si·cal ˈ(h)wimzik(ə)l/ adjective 1. playfully quaint or fanciful, especially in an appealing and amusing way; 2.acting or behaving in a capricious manner.

    “Are you denying that I already answered that question?” Yes, by your own “standards”, your whimsical answer “That a candidate who champions liberty wins” is “making vague allusions to other purposes” and lacks “plenty EXCERPTS and Links from authentic reference sites in your answer.”

    Do you really question “versions of liberty”? Fine. Example: Trump supports the 2nd amendment whereas Hillary would restrict or abolish it. Savvy?

    I don’t see a denial about using Evan McMullin as a distraction.

    KirklesWorth “so I won’t claim you have ‘no alternatives'”, “Really And just how do you know this?” You aren’t denying it.

    So how about you try again and tell me “what is your desired outcome of this election?” If you are attacking Trump and Hillary, will Evan McMullin be “a candidate who champions liberty wins”? Be sure to include plenty EXCERPTS and Links from authentic reference sites in your answer.

    Apparently you seem to think you are the arbiter of, and major committer, of:

    1. “feigning answers” – you mean like “That a candidate who champions liberty wins”?
    2. “demanding them (answers) from others” – like this: “include plenty EXCERPTS and Links from authentic reference sites in your answer”?
    3. “making vague allusions to other purposes” – you mean like “Please cite how the polls are incorrect with facts and logic” and “So Trump’s campaign is sinking” and “a supporter would be bothered”?
    4. “mis-characterize my answer” – like this: “So Trump’s campaign is sinking and you don’t think they should try something else to salvage it?” and “yet you seem to not care – why is that the case?” (Be sure to include plenty EXCERPTS and Links from authentic reference sites in your answer.)

  • rex freeway

    Just one more hole….

  • MAS

    “One would think that a supporter would be bothered by this course of events, and yet you seem to not care – why is that the case?”

    Ummm walks like a Democrat operative, quacks like a Democrat operative…it’s a Democrat operative?

  • KirklesWorth

    You wouldn’t know a “democrat operative” if it were here spouting anti-Trump rhetoric – oh wait, that’s you guys!

  • KirklesWorth

    Ted Nugent Proclaims His 20 Reasons To Vote For Trump And It’s Making The Left Very Uncomfortable

    Obama is against Trump
    The Media is against Trump
    The establishment Democrats are against Trump
    The establishment Republicans are against Trump
    The Pope is against Trump
    The UN is against Trump
    The EU is against Trump
    China is against Trump
    Mexico is against Trump
    Soros is against Trump
    Black Lives Matter is against Trump
    MoveOn.Org is against Trump
    Koch Bro’s are against Trump
    Hateful, racist, violent Liberals are against Trump

    Bonus points
    Cher says she will leave the country
    Mylie Cyrus says she will leave the country
    Whoopi says she will leave the country
    Rosie says she will leave the country
    Al Sharpton says he will leave the country
    Gov. Brown says California will build a wall

    http://awm.com/ted-nugent-proclaims-his-20-reasons-to-vote-for-trump-and-its-making-the-left-very-unconfortable/

  • KirklesWorth

    Where’s Evan McMullin?

  • Torcer

    Note that it doesn’t actually answer the issue does it?

    And I’m really curious to figure out just what it meant with the phraseology of:

    KirklesWorth There are only two viable candidates and neither of them champion your version of “liberty”.

    “your version of “liberty”? What exactly are you talking about? Are there different versions of Liberty?

  • Torcer

    KirklesWorth My candidate is doing better than your supposed candidate Evan McMullin – “and yet you seem to not care – why is that the case?”

    Again we see it dodge the question with ANOTHER question.
    Again:Trump’s campaign is sinking and you don’t think they should try something else to salvage it? One would think that a supporter would be bothered by this course of events, and yet you seem to not care – why is that the case?

    KirklesWorth Evan McMullin’s polling numbers are non-existent – concerned?

    He just started out, besides with the way Trump is cratering in the polls a vote for him will most likely be superfluous

    KirklesWorth I explained my ambivalence to polls while you seem to have an obsession with them – why is that?. http://conservativetribune.com..

    Again Merely stating disbelief while making vague allusions to other purposes is hardly an answer.
    Please cite how the polls are incorrect with facts and logic –
    If you can.

    KirklesWorth I compared your tactics to liberal tactics and I don’t see a denial.

    Ah yes – another projection lie. What are you specifically referring to?

    KirklesWorth Yes, “That a candidate who champions liberty wins” is whimsical: whim·si·cal ˈ(h)wimzik(ə)l/ adjective 1. playfully quaint or fanciful, especially in an appealing and amusing way; 2.acting or behaving in a capricious manner.
    “Are you denying that I already answered that question?” Yes, by your own “standards”, your whimsical answer “That a candidate who champions liberty wins” is “making vague allusions to other purposes” and lacks “plenty EXCERPTS and Links from authentic reference sites in your answer.”

    Again: ‘whimsical’
    How do you know this to be the case?

    KirklesWorth Do you really question “versions of liberty”? Fine. Example: Trump supports the 2nd amendment whereas Hillary would restrict or abolish it. Savvy?

    1. Trump has not entirely supported the 2nd amendment.
    2. Answer the question please:

    KirklesWorth I don’t see a denial about using Evan McMullin as a distraction.

    Here it tries to pretend that the requirement it back up it’s baseless charge is something else.

    What part of Really, And just how do you know this?

    KirklesWorth “so I won’t claim you have ‘no alternatives'”, “Really And just how do you know this?” You aren’t denying it.

    Here again it tries to pretend that the requirement it back up it’s baseless charge is something else.

    KirklesWorth So how about you try again and tell me “what is your desired outcome of this election?” If you are attacking Trump and Hillary, will Evan McMullin be “a candidate who champions liberty wins”?

    Here it again tries to deny a perfectly good answer.

    KirklesWorth Apparently you seem to think you are the arbiter of, and major committer, of:
    1. “feigning answers” – you mean like “What exactly are you talking about?”, “How do you know this to be the case?”, and “That a candidate who champions liberty wins”?
    2. “demanding them (answers) from others” – you mean like “Please cite how the polls are incorrect with facts and logic – If you can.” and “include plenty EXCERPTS and Links from authentic reference sites in your answer”?
    3. “making vague allusions to other purposes” – you mean like “Please cite how the polls are incorrect with facts and logic” and “So Trump’s campaign is sinking” and “a supporter would be bothered”?
    4. “mis-characterize my answer” – like this: “So Trump’s campaign is sinking and you don’t think they should try something else to salvage it?” and “yet you seem to not care – why is that the case?” (Be sure to include plenty EXCERPTS and Links from authentic reference sites in your answer.)
    http://moonbattery.com/?p=75389#comment-2848262442

    No those are clarification questions – where you being forthright you could answer them.
    Now hop to it and answer them.

  • KirklesWorth

    I’ve answered its questions, but somehow it doesn’t get them. Please state which one(s) you can’t understand and I will explain it (more).

    And since you seem to be liberty-challenged, I will as a simple question on only one topic: Is “liberty” the freedom to have an abortion or is “liberty” the freedom to be born? So you can equate that to Hillary or Trump. Get it now?

  • 762×51

    That is one hell of a water hazard, are you sure it is a regulation course?

  • 762×51

    LOL, what a simpleton you are.

    You still here, keeping and eye on things, SS-Rottenführer ?

    KirklesWorth Torcer • 17 hours ago
    Yeah…you keep asking that…the answer is: to keep an eye on things. Why are you here and do you have a problem with me being here? Kirklesworth 8/18/2016

    Good little Nazi, report everyone and mommy will give you ice cream.

    FASCIST FUCK!!

  • 762×51

    How about a public flogging? Tar & feathers? I say we “clear his calendar” and make it happen.

  • KirklesWorth

    “Now hop to it and answer them.”…? Are you kidding me? Forget your noise you bossy rainy-day-republican. This is, and has been, my answer to your ridiculous questions:

    I support Trump and I am not worried about polls and campaigns at this stage of the game.

    Savvy? You don’t support Trump, supposedly don’t support Hillary, supposedly have a long-shot support of McMullin and yet would risk a Hillary victory on the off-chance McMullin (previously Brad Thor who now supports Trump) can win. You have picked the losers Cruz, Thor, and soon to be McMullin…to what end? How does a Hillary victory fit in with your “a candidate who champions liberty wins” mantra?

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  • KirklesWorth

    Time for a list of Torcer-recommended stories to Dave Blount. First, we will begin with this-month’s stories with “Hillary” or “Clinton” in the title:

    1. Nine Percent Imposed Hillary/Trump
    2. Hillary Barks About Gun Control With Father of Orlando Killer Seated Behind Her
    3. Dan Abrams: Media Doesn’t Like Hillary Because She Isn’t Far Enough Left
    4. Clinton Foundation FBI Investigation Could Mean Actual Consequences for Hillary
    5. Were Hillary Clinton’s Statements False?
    6. Hillary Supporters Want to Repeal 2nd Amendment
    7. A Salivating Hillary Plans Her Looting Spree

    August Torcer-suggested articles with “Donald” or “Trump” in the title:

    1. Nine Percent Imposed Hillary/Trump
    2. One Born Every Minute: Trump and the Supreme Court
    3. Constitution’s Reception at a Trump Rally
    4. Trump Versus Trump
    5. Top GOP Spokesman in Florida Quits Rather Than Support Trump
    6. Trump: “My Temperament Has Gotten Me Here”
    7. Trump Promises Us More Money; That’s the Bad News
    8. Trump Threatens to Stop Raising Money for Republicans
    9. Trump Calls for Increasing National Debt
    10. With One Tweet I Could Rest My Case Against Trump
    11. How Far Can Triumph the Insult Comic Dog Push Trump’s Loyal Supporters?
    12. Trump Death Knell
    13. Trump Trails by 30 Points in His Home State

  • KirklesWorth

    A list of some recent articles by Torcer posted into Disqus. Not really a comprehensive list, just some articles I noticed as I went through (some were posted more than once).

    Evan McMullin articles:

    Evan McMullin: It is Time for a Divided America to Unite http://politistick.com/evan-mcmullin-time-for-america-to-unite/

    Hillary Clinton articles:

    Clinton comes after the rich: ‘We’re going where the money is’ http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/clinton-comes-after-the-rich-were-going-where-the-money-is/article/2599458

    First Read: Clinton Has Owned the Airwaves in the General Election (2x) https://t.co/zuJspH4a4L

    Donald Trump articles:

    But the battleground-state polls out Tuesday lay out a stark reality — that Hillary Clinton may be breaking away. http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/trump-poll-august-slide-227051

    When asked about being down in the race, Trump adviser replies, “Says who?” https://t.co/HO9wqbdDWR

    A Vote For Trump is a Vote for Hillary Clinton http://theresurgent.com/a-vote-for-trump-is-a-vote-for-hillary-clinton-2/

    What if Ted Cruz was the Republican nominee for president? (2x) http://us.blastingnews.com/opinion/2016/08/what-if-ted-cruz-was-the-republican-nominee-for-president-001066439.html

    Americans DESERVE to see Trump’s tax returns, or Melania’s immigration, NOT Hillary’s emails – Dem Rep http://therightscoop.com/americans-deserve-to-see-trumps-tax-returns-or-melanias-immigration-not-hillarys-emails-dem-rep/

    A Black Conservative has a Very Important Question for Donald Trump (2x) http://politistick.com/a-black-conservative-has-a-very-important-question-for-donald-trump/

    Election Update: 10 Big Questions About The Election, Revisited http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-10-big-questions-about-the-election-revisited/

    Breitbart/Gravis Poll (2x): Hillary Clinton Leads Donald Trump 42% to 37% Nationally in 4-Way with Johnson 9%, Stein 3% http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/08/14/breitbartgravis-poll-hillary-clinton-leads-donald-trump-42-to-37/

    Cruz control https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2016/08/09/cruz-control/

    New Trump campaign manager (2x): We’ll never have the money that Hillary Clinton’s team has http://hotair.com/archives/2016/08/17/new-trump-campaign-manager-well-never-have-the-money-that-hillary-clintons-team-has/

    Trump may cost the GOP a generation of voters https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trump-may-cost-the-gop-a-generation-of-voters/2016/08/15/91d56582-6306-11e6-96c0-37533479f3f5_story.html

    Even Trump’s Biggest Propagandists Cannot Rig a Poll to Show Him Winning http://theresurgent.com/even-trumps-biggest-propagandists-cannot-rig-a-poll-to-show-him-winning/

    Here’s how badly Trump lost his battle with the Khans http://twitter.com/TheFix/status/762815630601052160/photo/1

    Ben Carson: Let’s Put Second Amendment On The Table | Andrea Mitchell | MSNBC https://youtu.be/fyQ71Bd91yQ

    Donald Trump Lied About His Support Of The Second Amendment http://bearingarms.com/donald-trump-lied-support-second-amendment/

    Trump Reverses Stance on Assault Weapons in New Policy Paper http://abcn.ws/1F7cde6

  • Torcer

    How Breitbart turned on Ted Cruz
    In late January, Breitbart News chairman Steve Bannon was tipped off about a story that he hoped would damage Ted Cruz.

    Bannon, who this week became CEO of Donald Trump’s presidential campaign, was told that a radio advertisement would be landing in Iowa aimed at hurting Cruz with evangelical voters — the very constituency the senator was depending on to win the state’s caucuses on Feb. 1.

    The line of attack, which was being pushed by Cruz’s presidential rival Mike Huckabee, was that Cruz had donated only a small fraction of his income to his church, not enough to fulfill his tithing duties of 10 percent.

    Bannon was excited by the story, stating that it could spell the end of Cruz’s candidacy. He told his reporters to chase the story hard, though their efforts turned up nothing new.

    Bannon didn’t respond to multiple requests for comment from The Hill, but a spokeswoman for the conservative news sight downplayed any work Breitbart’s reporters did on the tithing story.
    [..]
    On the attack

    In January, When Trump began raising questions about Cruz’s Canadian birthplace and his eligibility to be president, Breitbart jumped on the storyline.

    Bannon ultimately scored a concession out of the Cruz camp. When the Cruz campaign decided to release the birth certificate of the senator’s mother, it did so by giving it exclusively to Breitbart.
    [..]
    And by January 2016, when Cruz stopped praising Trump and started attacking him as a liberal, Bannon became increasingly enraged and instructed his reporters to hammer Cruz.

    Throughout this period, Breitbart staff made no secrets of their close ties to the Trump campaign.
    http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/292028-how-breitbart-turned-on-ted-cruz

  • Torcer

    One of Paul Manafort’s Closest Friends Calls Trump’s Nomination a “Mistake of Historic Proportions”
    What a coincidence. One of Manafort’s longest, closest friends calls Donald Trump’s nomination a “mistake of historic proportions” shortly after Manafort departs the building.

    And yes, it is worth noting he also helped Gingrich in the Republican Revolution of the 90’s.
    http://theresurgent.com/one-of-paul-manaforts-closest-friends-calls-trumps-nomination-a-mistake-of-historic-proportions/

  • Torcer

    How Trolls Are Ruining the Internet
    They’re turning the web into a cesspool of aggression and violence. What watching them is doing to the rest of us may be even worse
    This story is not a good idea. Not for society and certainly not for me. Because what trolls feed on is attention. And this little bit–these several thousand words–is like leaving bears a pan of baklava.

    It would be smarter to be cautious, because the Internet’s personality has changed. Once it was a geek with lofty ideals about the free flow of information. Now, if you need help improving your upload speeds the web is eager to help with technical details, but if you tell it you’re struggling with depression it will try to goad you into killing yourself. Psychologists call this the online disinhibition effect, in which factors like anonymity, invisibility, a lack of authority and not communicating in real time strip away the mores society spent millennia building. And it’s seeping from our smartphones into every aspect of our lives.

    The people who relish this online freedom are called trolls, a term that originally came from a fishing method online thieves use to find victims. It quickly morphed to refer to the monsters who hide in darkness and threaten people. Internet trolls have a manifesto of sorts, which states they are doing it for the “lulz,” or laughs. What trolls do for the lulz ranges from clever pranks to harassment to violent threats. There’s also doxxing–publishing personal data, such as Social Security numbers and bank accounts–and swatting, calling in an emergency to a victim’s house so the SWAT team busts in. When victims do not experience lulz, trolls tell them they have no sense of humor. Trolls are turning social media and comment boards into a giant locker room in a teen movie, with towel-snapping racial epithets and misogyny.
    http://time.com/4457110/internet-trolls/?

  • Torcer

    And of course we see another plethora of false narratives from KirklesWorth:

    KirklesWorth My answer? I am a Trump supporter who isn’t concerned with polls and campaigns at this stage of the game.

    So you are supposedly a ‘supporter’ that isn’t concerned with that which shows extreme danger to the campaign.
    That speaks volumes.

    KirklesWorth 2. Supposed anti-Hillary

    How many articles criticizing Comrade Clinton have I posted?
    How many have YOU posted?

    KirklesWorth 3. Supposed pro-McMullin

    How many articles have I posted supporting his campaign?

    KirklesWorth 4. Supposed pro-liberty

    What? That should go without saying.
    Do you support the cause of Liberty? Yes or NO?

    KirklesWorth So who will we thank if Hillary becomes president?

    Those who supported the worst possible candidate.

  • Torcer

    KirklesWorth I’ve answered its questions, but somehow it doesn’t get them.

    Ah yes, the tried and true Alinsky tactic of ridicule and falsehoods.

    KirklesWorth And since you seem to be liberty-challenged,

    Where did you get that false conclusion?

    I’m really curious to figure out just what it meant with the phraseology of:

    KirklesWorth There are only two viable candidates and neither of them champion your version of “liberty”.

    “your version of “liberty”? What exactly are you talking about? Are there different versions of Liberty?

  • Torcer

    Again:

    KirklesWorth My candidate is doing better than your supposed candidate Evan McMullin – “and yet you seem to not care – why is that the case?”

    Again we see it dodge the question with ANOTHER question.
    Again:Trump’s campaign is sinking and you don’t think they should try something else to salvage it? One would think that a supporter would be bothered by this course of events, and yet you seem to not care – why is that the case?

    KirklesWorth Evan McMullin’s polling numbers are non-existent – concerned?

    He just started out, besides with the way Trump is cratering in the polls a vote for him will most likely be superfluous

    KirklesWorth I explained my ambivalence to polls while you seem to have an obsession with them – why is that?. http://conservativetribune.com..

    Again Merely stating disbelief while making vague allusions to other purposes is hardly an answer.
    Please cite how the polls are incorrect with facts and logic –
    If you can.

    KirklesWorth I compared your tactics to liberal tactics and I don’t see a denial.

    Ah yes – another projection lie. What are you specifically referring to?

    KirklesWorth Yes, “That a candidate who champions liberty wins” is whimsical: whim·si·cal ˈ(h)wimzik(ə)l/ adjective 1. playfully quaint or fanciful, especially in an appealing and amusing way; 2.acting or behaving in a capricious manner.
    “Are you denying that I already answered that question?” Yes, by your own “standards”, your whimsical answer “That a candidate who champions liberty wins” is “making vague allusions to other purposes” and lacks “plenty EXCERPTS and Links from authentic reference sites in your answer.”

    Again: ‘whimsical’
    How do you know this to be the case?

    KirklesWorth Do you really question “versions of liberty”? Fine. Example: Trump supports the 2nd amendment whereas Hillary would restrict or abolish it. Savvy?

    1. Trump has not entirely supported the 2nd amendment.
    2. Answer the question please:

    KirklesWorth I don’t see a denial about using Evan McMullin as a distraction.

    Here it tries to pretend that the requirement it back up it’s baseless charge is something else.

    What part of Really, And just how do you know this?

    KirklesWorth “so I won’t claim you have ‘no alternatives'”, “Really And just how do you know this?” You aren’t denying it.

    Here again it tries to pretend that the requirement it back up it’s baseless charge is something else.

    KirklesWorth So how about you try again and tell me “what is your desired outcome of this election?” If you are attacking Trump and Hillary, will Evan McMullin be “a candidate who champions liberty wins”?

    Here it again tries to deny a perfectly good answer.

    KirklesWorth Apparently you seem to think you are the arbiter of, and major committer, of:
    1. “feigning answers” – you mean like “What exactly are you talking about?”, “How do you know this to be the case?”, and “That a candidate who champions liberty wins”?
    2. “demanding them (answers) from others” – you mean like “Please cite how the polls are incorrect with facts and logic – If you can.” and “include plenty EXCERPTS and Links from authentic reference sites in your answer”?
    3. “making vague allusions to other purposes” – you mean like “Please cite how the polls are incorrect with facts and logic” and “So Trump’s campaign is sinking” and “a supporter would be bothered”?
    4. “mis-characterize my answer” – like this: “So Trump’s campaign is sinking and you don’t think they should try something else to salvage it?” and “yet you seem to not care – why is that the case?” (Be sure to include plenty EXCERPTS and Links from authentic reference sites in your answer.)
    http://moonbattery.com/?p=75389#comment-2848262442

    No those are clarification questions – where you being forthright you could answer them.
    Now hop to it and answer them.

    You claimed to have

    KirklesWorth I’ve answered its questions,

    so perhaps you should back that up with answered instead of other questions.

  • Torcer

    Note that it keeps on with it’s tactics of responding to questions with more questions and avoids issuing answers.

  • Torcer

    KirklesWorth

    Another hat tip to Torcer for Dave Blount’s Moonbattery’s anti-Trump moonbattery of the day! Nice pro-Cruz anti-Trump rhetoric – Hillary will be grateful! Everybody knows who – not what – the people were booing and why. It’s just Lyin’ Ted living up to his moniker – and people who aren’t so stupid not to know it for what it was.. And here I thought only the progressive liberal socialists stooped to this kind of propaganda. Torcer’s knowledge of Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals” serves him well. Dave Blount’s editorial is just condescending and ridiculous.

    Wow! A Tour de force in projection!
    With false narratives and childish name calling all rolled up in to one neat package.
    Of course, I can cite where KirklesWorth has utilized Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals” – for example, it’s comment right here.

  • KirklesWorth

    Boo hoo…”false narratives” (like Trump polling and bad campaigning), name calling (calling me “it”), and you certainly know your way around Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals”.

    And since there is no denial once again, my comments stand.

  • 762×51

    “One would think that a supporter would be bothered by this course of events, and yet you seem to not care – why is that the case?”

    Bothered? A supporter, yes, a follower, hardly, a drone, never. JerkoffsWorth is a drone. It follows blindly with neither the capacity or desire for independent thought. Its posts are like broken records of room temperature IQ in a vomitus of verbal rancor spewing the same childlike “analysis” of political calculation “the enemy of my friend is the friend of my enemy” crapola, day in and day out ad nauseam.

    It is very much like talking to a bot.

  • 762×51

    I have to laugh at it Torcer when it mimics us by referring to us as we refer to it. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

    It is so used to mimicking its cult leader that it knows nothing else. The reason that dullards like Jerkoffsworth are drawn to Progressive ideology is that its conformity requirement releases them from having to think for themselves. They can just sleep walk through each day, each task, because there can never be any deviation from the path of Progressive dogma. It becomes so ingrained in them that they do it unconsciously which is hilarious. I mean, what is funnier than a smug, droll, little weasel with a Napoleonic superiority complex who can only repeat what it has been programmed to parrot? It’s like a bad SNL skit.

  • 762×51

    Which is why I don’t bother to engage it in conversation,only derision, denigration and vilification.

  • KirklesWorth

    You are trying to defeat Trump (and maybe Hillary) to what end? Who will be the “candidate who champions liberty that wins”?

    So you are supposedly a ‘supporter’ that isn’t concerned with that which shows extreme danger to the campaign. That speaks volumes.

    No, what speaks volumes is you helping Hillary with your “shows extreme danger to the campaign” and such rhetoric. Why is that?

    How many articles criticizing Comrade Clinton have I posted? How many have YOU posted?

    I think you can count the enumerated list of Hillary articles you suggested. I found a few anti-Hillary articles and listed them – were there some I missed you want to add? Although the story “Clinton Has Owned the Airwaves in the General Election” from NBC News” sounds pro-Hillary to me. Sorry, but I don’t have time to generate 45311 comments, suggest dozens of articles to Dave Blount, and dozens more posts of articles within those articles. Where do you find your anti-Trump time?

    How many articles have I posted supporting his campaign?

    I’m not your errand boy. I posted one, feel free to post all the others you want to add.

    What? That should go without saying. Do you support the cause of Liberty? Yes or NO?

    It should go without saying, but it doesn’t. You are attacking the only viable candidate capable of defeating Hillary. Why? I support the best candidate to defeat Hillary who will protect the most liberties – why don’t you?

    (“So who will we thank if Hillary becomes president?”) Those who supported the worst possible candidate.

    Don’t forget to add yourself for “punishing” your fellow Americans for supporting this “worst possible candidate”.

  • KirklesWorth

    Ah yes, the tried and true Alinsky tactic of ridicule and falsehoods.

    Funny, I don’t see any proof of your “falsehoods” cited. But aww, you don’t like to be called “it” so you feel “ridiculed”? Who started that tactic again?

    I can’t help it if you can’t grasp the version of liberty you will get for each candidate and/or every person in the country. I tried to explain it, but I guess you can’t grasp it:

    And since you seem to be liberty-challenged, I will as a simple question on only one topic: Is “liberty” the freedom to have an abortion or is “liberty” the freedom to be born? So you can equate that to Hillary or Trump. Get it now? http://moonbattery.com/?p=75389#comment-2848515509

  • KirklesWorth

    Ah, some of that “ridicule and falsehoods” you complained about. Convenient for you that you aren’t bound by your own rules.

    I’m supporting Trump to defeat Hillary. Why are you helping Hillary at all?

  • It’s just one poll and the margin is within the error limits so the statistical significance is questionable, but just the fact it shows the two New York Liberals as virtually tied with all the Trump bashing from every direction is significant.

    http://www.latimes.com/politics/

    Who’s Winning? Daily track of Clinton and Trump’s support

    At the time of this post, Trump had jumped to a 0.6% lead with 44.2 to Hillary’s 43.6%.

  • It’s not… Obama was such a lousy shot he’s actually some distance from the course trying to get back to it.

  • With all the bickering going on here, it’s easy to miss important things like this:

    http://observer.com/2016/08/class-action-lawsuit-against-debbie-wasserman-schultz-moves-forward/

    Class Action Lawsuit Against Debbie Wasserman Schultz Moves Forward
    Sanders fans seek justice for rigged Democratic primaries

    Moonbats are starting to wake up and take action against those within their party who do the things we’ve been complaining about – at least when they are the ones who lose out & don’t get what they want as a result.

    In June, the hacker Guccifer 2.0 released internal Democratic National Committee (DNC) documents proving the DNC treated Hillary Clinton as their nominee before the primaries even began. Not long after these revelations came to light, the law firm Beck & Lee filed a class action lawsuit against now-former DNC chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz and the DNC on behalf of Bernie Sanders supporters.

    The suit includes six claims: fraud, negligent misrepresentation, deceptive conduct, monetary restitution for donors of Sanders, the DNC breaking its own fiduciary duties, and negligence for failing to protect sensitive donor information that was hacked. Beck & Lee noted the lawsuit was a way to give a voice to Sanders supporters who were silenced by the rigging of the primaries for Clinton. Attorneys Jared Beck, a Harvard Law graduate, and Elizabeth Beck, a Yale Law School graduate, have previously filed successful lawsuits against Yelp, Unilever, Korea Airlines, and fraudulent real estate investors.

    The July WikiLeaks release provided further evidence that the DNC actively worked against Sanders, yet the Vermont senator’s supporters have received no recompense. The damage control used to divert from the content of these emails portrayed criticism of Clinton as a Russian conspiracy. While the mainstream media has devolved into an apparatus to funnel messaging and talking points directly from the DNC and Clinton campaign, the litigation for this class action lawsuit has been moving forward.

    On August 23, an evidentiary hearing will be held in South Florida and both parties involved in the suit will have to present evidence to support their positions. The hearing was issued by the presiding judge in response to the DNC and Wasserman Schultz’s motion to dismiss the lawsuit, and a separate motion to buy themselves more time until September 9. “Insufficient service of process” was cited, alleging process server Shawn Lucas failed to properly serve the DNC. Lucas was filmed serving the lawsuit to the DNC headquarters in July, but was unable to provide testimony to combat the testimony of DNC staff member Rebecca Herries. Lucas was found dead on August 2 in his apartment. A cause of death has not yet been determined.

    A FRIEND OF MINE who happens to have wanted Bernie to win points out how several people who took actions that could have (and might still) cost Hillary a win have wound up dead, or as I call it, “Fosterized”.

  • http://fusion.net/story/338529/whole-families-are-fleeing-this-tiny-country-and-entering-the-u-s-in-massive-numbers/

    Whole families are fleeing [El Salvador] and entering the U.S. in massive numbers

    Salvadorans are fleeing to the United States in massive numbers, and now they’re bringing the whole family along. Though the number of unaccompanied Salvadoran minors crossing the border has not returned to the surge numbers seen in 2014, the number of Salvadoran family units apprehended on the southern border has increased by a whopping 96% over the past year.

  • Hey, good news for those who’ve been backing Trump from the start… Jerry Falwell (Jr.) is with you!

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/jerry-falwell-jr-trump-is-the-churchillian-leader-we-need/2016/08/19/b1ff79e0-64b1-11e6-be4e-23fc4d4d12b4_story.html?utm_term=.a57907eef912

    In the 2008 and 2012 presidential elections, American voters were forced to choose between a liberal Democrat and weak establishment Republicans. Democrats won both times. In the 2010 and 2014 midterms, tired of the leftist agenda, voters sent an unmistakable message to Washington: Republicans took control of the Senate and filled more seats in the House than at any time since 1929. Still, nothing changed.

    In 2016, we have a clear choice.

    This moment is historic because Donald Trump is not another establishment Republican.

    This is true – he’s a liberal running as a Republican, possibly at the behest of Bill and Hillary Clinton, though whether or not, now that he’s gotten to where he is, it’s questionable if he will deliberately fail to go all the way.

    NOW THIS PART IS FOR YOU “NEVER TRUMP” PEOPLE:

    We have lived through nearly eight years of weak leadership from a president who did not sign the charter to create the Islamic State but whose policies had the intended or unintended effect (we will be debating that for decades) of breathing life into the lungs of the terrorist group. President Obama and Hillary Clinton most definitely signaled to Islamic State leaders that they had no intention of seriously challenging them, or even of calling radical Islamic terrorism by its name. Instead, Obama and Clinton pulled our troops out of Iraq, drew and then quickly erased a red line in Syria and tried to convince us that unverifiable pinpoint drone strikes (after leaflet warnings) would win the war against the Islamic State.

    All of this was enabled by a feckless establishment Republican Congress.

    The policies of Obama and Clinton have made the world unstable and unsafe and created a world stage eerily similar to that of the late 1930s. We could be on the precipice of international conflict like nothing we have seen since World War II. Obama and Clinton are the Neville Chamberlains of our time. The deal to make $150 billion available to Iran, the leading state sponsor of terrorism in the world and a nation committed to the destruction of Israel, clearing the way for Iran to become a nuclear power, reminds me of Chamberlain’s deal with Hitler in 1938, when the British prime minister declared “peace for our time.”

    Domestically, Obama and Clinton have pushed to $19 trillion the debt that our children and grandchildren will somehow have to find a way to repay. Even our noble law enforcement has been demonized by the Obama administration, and anarchy is erupting in our cities.

    Thank God we now have the opportunity to elect a strong leader, one who is not afraid to call the enemy by its name and to take the battle to that enemy if necessary.

    We need fresh and bold leadership. Continuing the policies of Obama and Clinton internationally and domestically would be the definition of insanity: repeating the same mistakes over and over and expecting a different result.

    If you can’t bring yourself to vote for him, I understand – I am not sure if I will be able to either. But whatever you do, if you’re not going to help us avoid 4-8 years of Hillary, don’t be so relentless in your efforts to make sure Trump has even less chance than he does now without proof positive he will be worse than Clinton. And I don’t know HOW he could be, really. But I’m willing to listen.

  • http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2016/08/trump-2-0.php

    Over the last week, Donald Trump has delivered a series of remarkable speeches that have, in my view, reinvigorated his candidacy. The most recent was yesterday, in Charlotte. The speech has gotten a lot of attention, much of it directed to Trump’s sort-of-apology for some of the rude things he said during the primary season. No doubt Trump is trying to unify the party and mend fences, but in context, his words of regret that have been widely quoted are hardly abject. Rather, Trump postures himself primarily as a truth-teller.

    Now we know Trump may not be the strongest in that area – he’s been caught in some contradictions – but he’s still far and away ahead of Hillary regarding truthfulness.

    Liberal commentators have bashed Trump so obsessively with regard to his views on immigration that they seem to have lost sight of the fact that he is on the winning side of the issue.

    This is one of the key issues of our time. This, along with who winds up on the U.S. Supreme Court, will determine how fast we continue to slide towards ruin or perhaps, if we are lucky, how soon we start turning things around and digging ourselves out of the deep hole we’ve allowed the moonbats to get us into. And here is one other key issue:

    Trump postures himself as the outsider who can clean up a corrupt government. Ten years ago, the assertion that our national government is hopelessly corrupt would have been implausible. Today, it resonates with a majority of voters.

    So, to sum up, here are three critical issues that should be among those which form a primary basis for our actions come election day:

    1) The sorry state of immigration enforcement
    2) Filling court vacancies in general, U.S. Supreme Court in particular
    3) Rooting out government corruption, fraud, waste and abuse.

    Now I know you can come up with additional important issues, and please do. On these three issues I do think Hinderaker is correct. Trump is the clear choice over Hillary on all three.

    So give us your additional issues and tell us why you think Hillary would be better elected than Trump based on them, if you have any.

  • Only it looks NOTHING like a Hobbit home as it is not a hole in the ground and it does not have round doors.

    http://www.express.co.uk/life-style/property/699094/middle-earth-right-in-the-middle-of-england

  • Torcer

    WATCH Dems Unable To Determine Which Quotes Are Trump Or Hillary http://www.dailywire.com/news/8518/watch-dems-unable-determine-which-quotes-are-trump-chase-stephens

    WATCH Dems Unable To Determine Which Quotes Are Trump Or Hillary
    Democrats at their national convention had a hard time when confronted with the task of labeling quotes presented to them as either coming from their beloved Queen Hillary or The Donald. They were dumbfounded to realize most of the statements they quickly attributed to Trump were actually to the scandal-plagued former Secretary of State.
    https://youtu.be/c5nSvFvHZx0
    http://www.dailywire.com/news/8518/watch-dems-unable-determine-which-quotes-are-trump-chase-stephens

  • Torcer

    ‘Beholden to no one’ Trump owes $650 MILLION to China, and Goldman Sachs!!
    An investigation by the New York Times revealed another aspect of Trump’s scam that many suspected – he is heavily in debt despite barking that he can’t be bought by anyone during the primaries.

    …an investigation by The New York Times into the financial maze of Mr. Trump’s real estate holdings in the United States reveals that companies he owns have at least $650 million in debt — twice the amount than can be gleaned from public filings he has made as part of his bid for the White House. The Times’s inquiry also found that Mr. Trump’s fortunes depend deeply on a wide array of financial backers, including one he has cited in attacks during his campaign.

    This follows the familiar pattern – Trump projects the sins he commits on his competitors all the time. While saying that his opponents were puppets who had been bought and sold by business interests, he himself is in debt to those same interests.
    http://therightscoop.com/beholden-to-no-one-trump-owes-650-million-to-china-and-goldman-sachs/

  • Torcer

    McMullin qualifies for Iowa, Louisiana ballots
    Conservative independent candidate Evan McMullin has qualified to appear on the general election ballots in Louisiana and Iowa, according to the Louisiana and Iowa secretary of state’s offices.

    McMullin’s campaign opted to pay the $500 qualifying fee, instead of gathering 5,000 signatures, due Friday, to get on the Louisiana ballot. Of the four candidates that filed and qualified Friday — McMullin, Green Party candidate Jill Stein, Constitution Party candidate Darrell Castle, and Veterans Party candidate Chris Keniston — “no one qualified for president using signatures, everyone qualified paying the amount of money that was required,” said Louisiana secretary of state press secretary Meg Casper.
    [..]
    McMullin’s narrow path to competitiveness in the presidential race depends on him getting on the ballots in states where filing deadlines haven’t passed. He has also made it on the ballots in Utah and Colorado.
    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/evan-mcmullin-iowa-louisiana-ballots-227224

  • Torcer

    Clinton crushing Trump on the airwaves
    The Republican nominee has a long way to go before he can catch up with Clinton on the ad game.
    Trump has been savaged for months by Hillary Clinton and her allies on the air across the swing-state landscape — with little answer. Since the middle of June, 10 ads attacking Trump have aired on television for every spot hitting Clinton. Clinton and her allies have spent upwards of $100 million on television ads before the Trump campaign’s first spot, unveiled Friday, ever aired.

    With Trump already flailing due to a series of self-inflicted controversies in recent weeks, Clinton’s ads have provided another body blow. Sensing the success, Clinton’s campaign is shifting its ad buys to maximize the pain. Out of the seven initial states Clinton targeted for ads, campaign officials have already suspended advertising in two of them after building large leads in the polls. They did add a new state last month, Pennsylvania — but, already, Clinton and her allies are scaling back there, too, after Clinton surged ahead this summer.

    Even with the new Trump investments — and with Clinton’s shuffling of her ad buys — he is still going to be outspent on the airwaves by Clinton and a network of Democratic groups by a margin of more than 2 to 1 over the next two weeks, according to a POLITICO review of Trump’s reservations.
    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-ad-wars-227213

  • Torcer

    Republicans prep ‘break glass’ emergency plan as Trump tumbles
    Losing hope for the White House, the GOP is exploring a plan to cast congressional candidates as a check on President Hillary Clinton.
    Republicans, worried about preserving their House and Senate majorities in the face of fierce headwinds, are accelerating their plans to distance themselves from Donald Trump – and may soon concede, if only implicitly, his defeat.

    Party strategists are mapping out blueprints for down-ballot candidates, in TV ads and on the campaign trail, to present themselves as checks on a Hillary Clinton presidency. It’s an approach that would essentially admit a Trump loss. In interviews, nearly one dozen Republican operatives said they had begun poll-testing the idea – which one labeled a “break glass in case of emergency” strategy – to gauge how the public would react to it.

    It would represent a remarkable step – one not seen since 1996, when down-ballot Republicans, resigned to Bob Dole’s loss, campaigned as backstops to Bill Clinton’s second term. It comes at a time of mounting unease among Republicans about Trump’s prospects and how it will impact the fortunes of others. In recent days, a debate has begun to simmer among the party’s operatives about whether it will soon be time for the Republican National Committee to cut Trump off and redirect resources to congressional lawmakers.

    “It would be political malpractice if you weren’t exploring the effectiveness of that messaging strategy,” said Rob Autry, a Republican pollster who’s looking into the idea. “If the current polling trends hold true, then down-ballot Republicans will need to start thinking outside the box.”
    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/republicans-prep-break-glass-emergency-plan-as-trump-tumbles-227217

  • Torcer

    Standing on his own…. #WheresTrump

  • Why drive, or go by boat, when you can fly – in a private jet – 20 miles from Martha’s Vineyard to Nantucket?

    Hillary Clinton is very important, and she can’t be bogged down by pesky things such as boats or waiting.

    The presidential candidate, who is endlessly trying to tell factory workers in Ohio and Pennsylvania that she’s one of them, jetted approximately 20 miles from Martha’s Vineyard — where she was last night partying with President Obama — to Nantucket for a fundraiser on Saturday.

    http://www.theamericanmirror.com/rich-hillary-flies-20-miles-private-jet-marthas-vineyard-nantucket/

    And she exited the plane in her trademark burlap suit:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqUNJ_KWIAAgb6I.jpg

    At least instead of hiding she’s actually getting out and meeting with her constituency at an event that is open to all… who can afford the $100,000 entry fee!

    Who’s the candidate of the 1%?

  • Torcer

    It’s doubtful it’s even a trump supporter given that it spends a lot of time annoying anyone who dares speak on the subject.

  • KirklesWorth

    All right, another Politico story! You’ve posted these stories from Politico before – sometimes multiple times,

    Trump whacked by more damaging polls (3x) http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/trump-poll-august-slide-227051

    Trump accuses Cruz’s father of helping JFK’s assassin (3x) http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/05/trump-ted-cruz-father-222730

    Drudge goes all in for Trump http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/drudge-report-donald-trump-221857

    Jimmy Carter: I’d pick Trump over Cruz http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/jimmy-carter-donald-trump-ted-cruz-218707

    Wherer was Politico? Oh yeah, starting from the center: CBS News, Google News, Bloomberg, ABC News, USA Today, NBC News, CNN, MSNBC, BuzzFeed, PBS, BBC, Huffington Post, Washington Post, The Economist, Politico.

  • KirklesWorth

    All right, another Politico story! http://moonbattery.com/?p=75389#comment-2848977989

  • KirklesWorth
  • Torcer

    What? That should go without saying.
    Do you support the cause of Liberty? Yes or NO?
    Answer the question please.

    KirklesWorth “That a candidate who champions liberty wins”, that really isn’t true. There are only two viable candidates and neither of them champion your version of “liberty”.

    “your version of “liberty”? What exactly are you talking about? Are there different versions of Liberty?

  • KirklesWorth

    Oh good, another story from TheRightScoop! What other stories were posted from TheRightScoop?

    Americans DESERVE to see Trump’s tax returns, or Melania’s immigration, NOT Hillary’s emails – Dem Rep http://therightscoop.com/americans-deserve-to-see-trumps-tax-returns-or-melanias-immigration-not-hillarys-emails-dem-rep/

    UPDATED — CNN EDITS MILWAUKEE SISTER OF BLACK MAN KILLED BY COPS TO MAKE HER SOUND PEACEFUL http://therightscoop.com/caught-cnn-edits-milwaukee-sister-of-black-man-killed-by-cops-to-make-her-sound-peaceful/

    Let’s put the 2nd Amendment ON THE TABLE and ask WHY do we NEED IT? – Ben Carson http://therightscoop.com/lets-put-the-2nd-amendment-on-the-table-and-ask-why-do-we-need-it-ben-carson/

    WATCH: Trump admits he’s having TREMENDOUS problems in Utah http://therightscoop.com/watch-trump-admits-hes-having-tremendous-problems-in-utah/

    FACEPALM: Trump is now blatantly advocating AMERICA-KILLING Democratic policies! http://therightscoop.com/facepalm-trump-is-now-blatantly-advocating-america-killing-democratic-policies/

    Trump down TEN POINTS in new Pennsylvania poll, dragging down Senate race too… http://therightscoop.com/trump-down-ten-points-in-new-pennsylvania-poll-dragging-down-senate-race-too/

    UH OH: Morning Joe reporting that Melania scandal is a TRAIN WRECK behind the scenes! http://therightscoop.com/uh-oh-morning-joe-reporting-that-melania-scandal-is-a-train-wreck-behind-the-scenes/

    EXPOSED: France suppressed BARBARIC TORTURE at Bataclan massacre http://therightscoop.com/exposed-france-suppressed-barbaric-torture-at-bataclan-massacre/

    WATCH: NY Times video NAILS why so many Republicans are ANTI-TRUMP http://therightscoop.com/watch-ny-times-video-nails-why-so-many-republicans-are-anti-trump/

    NOT KIDDING: Donald Trump just attacked Scott Walker for NOT RAISING TAXES in Wisconsin! http://therightscoop.com/not-kidding-donald-trump-just-attacked-scott-walker-for-not-raising-taxes-in-wisconsin/

  • Torcer

    KirklesWorth Funny, I don’t see any proof of your “falsehoods” cited.

    Look at you own comment:

    KirklesWorth I can’t help it if you can’t grasp the version of liberty you will get for each candidate and/or every person in the country. I tried to explain it, but I guess you can’t grasp it:

    KirklesWorthBut aww, you don’t like to be called “it” so you feel “ridiculed”? Who started that tactic again?

    Are you denying the that you’ve used those tactics?

    KirklesWorth I can’t help it if you can’t grasp the version of liberty you will get for each candidate and/or every person in the country. I tried to explain it, but I guess you can’t grasp it:

    And since you seem to be liberty-challenged, I will as a simple question on only one topic: Is “liberty” the freedom to have an abortion or is “liberty” the freedom to be born? So you can equate that to Hillary or Trump. Get it now?

    Doesn’t Trump support PP?

    Now answer my question:

    KirklesWorth “That a candidate who champions liberty wins”, that really isn’t true. There are only two viable candidates and neither of them champion your version of “liberty”.

    “your version of “liberty”? What exactly are you talking about? Are there different versions of Liberty?

  • Torcer

    KirklesWorth Ah, some of that “ridicule and falsehoods” you complained about.

    What are you talking about?

    KirklesWorth Convenient for you that you aren’t bound by your own rules.

    Please cite what you are referring to in the form of excerpts and links please

    KirklesWorth I’m supporting Trump to defeat Hillary. Why are you helping Hillary at all?

    Please backup that incendiary charge with excerpts and links please. If you cannot it will be shown to be false.

  • Torcer

    Really?
    Is that the best you’ve reduced to as your tactics?
    Make something up and then when it’s responded to the rote response is no denial is forthcoming.

    The phrase ‘false narratives’ should have been your first clue.

  • Torcer

    This issue is quite interesting:

    KirklesWorth “That a candidate who champions liberty wins”, that really isn’t true. There are only two viable candidates and neither of them champion your version of “liberty”.

    “your version of “liberty”? What exactly are you talking about? Are there different versions of Liberty?

    It can’t seem to address what it claimed… of course that is the case mots of the time.

  • KirklesWorth

    What? That should go without saying. Do you support the cause of Liberty? Yes or NO? Answer the question please.

    I did answer the question: “I support the best candidate to defeat Hillary who will protect the most liberties – why don’t you?” That would be a “yes” to your non-answer.

    “your version of “liberty”? What exactly are you talking about? Are there different versions of Liberty?

    I don’t believe you are that ignorant. The Hillary voters will elect her for the “liberty” she will defend for them: unrestricted abortions, the “liberty” of expanded Obamacare, the “liberty” of $15 an hour miniumu wage, the “liberty” of illegals to be here, etc.. That would be liberals’ version of “liberty”. Got it now?

  • KirklesWorth

    I gave examples of your tactics and bolding your words doesn’t mean squat.. What is the “ends” of your “means” in attacking Trump?

  • Torcer

    Perhaps if you knew the meaning of the word:

    Definition of liberty
    noun (plural liberties)
    [mass noun]
    1The state of being free within society from oppressive restrictions imposed by authority on one’s behaviour or political views:
    ‘compulsory retirement would interfere with individual liberty’
    1.1The state of not being imprisoned or enslaved:
    ‘people who attacked phone boxes would lose their liberty’
    1.2The power or scope to act as one pleases:
    ‘individuals should enjoy the liberty to pursue their own preferences’
    1.3 Philosophy A person’s freedom from control by fate or necessity.
    2 [count noun] (usually liberties) A right or privilege, especially a statutory one: ‘the Bill of Rights was intended to secure basic civil liberties’
    Origin
    Late Middle English: from Old French liberte, from Latin libertas, from liber ‘free’.
    https://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/liberty

    BTW, on that last issue:

    Buzzfeed: Trump FLIP FLOPS on AMNESTY in private meeting with Hispanics!!
    According to Buzzfeed today, Trump indicated to Hispanics in a private meeting that he would be open to amnesty for illegal aliens!

    Here’s more:

    In a Saturday meeting with his newly announced Hispanic advisory council, Donald Trump suggested he is interested in figuring out a “humane and efficient” manner to deal with immigrants in the country illegally, according to three sources. Trump, however, stressed that any new announcements will still be in line with the border security-focused approach that has invited intense opposition from Latinos and immigrants since he launched his campaign.

    “He said people who are here is the toughest part of the immigration debate, that it must be something that respects border security but deals with this in a humane and efficient manner,” said Jacob Monty, a Houston-based immigration lawyer who sat in Trump Tower with other Latino supporters and Trump.

    “The idea is we’re not getting someone in front of the line, we’re doing it in a legal way, but he wants to hear ideas of how we deal with 11 million people that are here with no documents,” said Jose Fuentes, who was chair of Mitt Romney’s Hispanic advisory committee in 2012, and attended the meeting.

    Importantly, Trump did not explicitly use the word “legalization,” but sources in the room said they feel it is the direction the campaign is going.

    Rick Figueroa, a Texas member of the new advisory council said it would be a stretch to say Trump will absolutely support some form of legalization, but lauded the candidate for being open to listening, saying Trump spent 80 to 90% of the meeting listening.
    http://therightscoop.com/buzzfeed-trump-flip-flops-on-amnesty-in-private-meeting-with-hispanics/

    And do try to address the issue instead of attacking sources..

  • Torcer

    Can you actually discuss the issues raised in the story, or are attacks on sources the best you can muster?

  • Torcer

    Can you actually discuss the issues raised in the story, or are attacks on sources the best you can muster?

  • Torcer

    Can you actually discuss the issues raised in the story, or are attacks on sources the best you can muster?

  • KirklesWorth

    Pot, kettle. Actually, you spend a lot more time acquiring your anti-Trump rhetoric and complaining about people who challenge you. Sorry for your thin skin, but I’m trying to prevent a Hillary presidency from you, so sorry if my party loyalty conflicts with your agenda.

  • KirklesWorth

    So, who’s liberty supersedes the other? Mothers aborting or pro-lifers? Expanded Obamacare or privatized? $15 minimum wage or market value? Illegals using our system or enforcement and deportation?

    Hillary, Trump, or what?

  • KirklesWorth

    “Attacks”? It’s just a list. A list that contains one person and not the other.

  • KirklesWorth

    I’m cheering on your Politico story! What’s wrong?

  • KirklesWorth

    What’s wrong? I’m cheering you on!

  • Torcer

    You stated:

    KirklesWorth Boo hoo…”false narratives” (like Trump polling and bad campaigning),

    What exactly do you mean by that?
    Are you claiming the polls are ‘false’?

    KirklesWorth name calling (calling me “it”),

    No, that’s a way of referring to someone.

    KirklesWorth and you certainly know your way around Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals”.

    More false narratives – show everyone your work – IF you can.

    BTW, repeating the charge doesn’t make it true no matter how many times you do it.

    KirklesWorth And since there is no denial once again, my comments stand.

    And I’ve already eviscerated that little falsehood of yours.

  • Torcer

    Can you actually discuss the issue raised in the story?

  • Torcer

    Can you actually discuss the issue raised in the story?

  • Torcer

    Can you actually discuss the issue raised in the story?

  • Torcer

    This from someone who has to make irrelevant comments about what one posts incessantly.

    Why aren’t you pro-hillary sites attacking her supporters?

  • Torcer

    Answer the question please.

    KirklesWorth “That a candidate who champions liberty wins”, that really isn’t true. There are only two viable candidates and neither of them champion your version of “liberty”.

    “your version of “liberty”? What exactly are you talking about? Are there different versions of Liberty?

    That definition should show you that most of those issues aren’t involved with the concept.

  • KirklesWorth

    I looked at my comment – it was good.

    But aww, you don’t like to be called “it” so you feel “ridiculed”? Who started that tactic again? Are you denying the that you’ve used those tactics?

    You started calling me “it”.
    I am using that tactic that you started.
    Are you denying that you started that tactic?

    Doesn’t Trump support PP? Now answer my question:

    Apparently not. Looks like your buddy Ted Cruz garnered a “mostly false” on claiming “So Donald can’t criticize Hillary Clinton on Planned Parenthood, because he agrees with her. They both say it’s terrific and that it should keep taxpayer funding.”

    Aug. 11, 2015: Trump backtracked to say he might consider funding for Planned Parenthood services other than abortion. “I would look at the good aspects of it, and I would also look because I’m sure they do some things properly and good for women,” he said. “The abortion aspect of Planned Parenthood should absolutely not be funded.”
    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/may/01/ted-cruz/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-planned-parenthood/

    I’ve addressed your versions of liberty question several times. Is abortion a liberty?

  • KirklesWorth

    Oh, back to the “irrelevant” defense. I’ve got to remember that one. So you are saying that my party loyalty doesn’t conflict with your agenda?

  • KirklesWorth

    Yep. Is abortion a liberty?

  • Torcer

    Is that in the definition?

  • KirklesWorth

    Back to your polls obsession, eh? So be it. Did I claim polls were false? No, I didn’t. Polls are polls – they are collected mostly by liberals and reflect the opinions of the people at that time. The election is two months away, and a lot can happen.

    No, that’s a way of referring to someone.

    Okay, “it” it is, so stop bellyaching.

    More false narratives – show everyone your work – IF you can.

    Right…you have to know Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals to claim somebody else knows them.

    BTW, repeating the charge doesn’t make it true no matter how many times you do it.

    Good advice I gave you before…you should try it like your next statement:

    And I’ve already eviscerated that little falsehood of yours.

  • KirklesWorth

    Okay…Trump’s companies owe money. How about that Clinton Foundation?

  • KirklesWorth

    Okay…Clinton “crushes” Trump on the airwaves. How many press conferences has Hillary had? I think there is two months left for Trump to make a point or two.

  • KirklesWorth

    Okay, republicans prep ‘break glass’ emergency plan as rainy-day-republicans like you continue to attack. So? Sounds like a good idea.

  • KirklesWorth

    What a pathetic dodge. Is abortion a liberty?

  • KirklesWorth

    Just one issue to answer: is abortion a liberty?

  • 762×51

    Jerkoffworth isn’t interested in “liberty” it is interested in “winning”, at all costs, even though the price IS liberty. It has no concept of the sacrifices made over the last 240 years to purchase the liberty it would blithely dismiss. It has no concept of duty, honor, or acting on anything but its own shallow, selfish desires.

    The men who held the green at Lexington and Concord, the men who stood in the door of the landing craft at Normandy, my brothers who did not return from the deserts of Iraq or the mountains of Afghanistan, they fulfilled their duty and paid for the liberty it enjoys today and will squander tomorrow.

    It squats, plotting in its cave, anguished over who its next “ruler” will be, calculating the difference between bad and worse then pretending that small difference is enough. Too stupid to realize it should be looking for a leader, not a ruler and too cowardly to stand against those who would force a ruler upon it.

    It wants a war and I intend to give one, We know that the opposite of war is not peace, the opposite of war is slavery, just as it seeks to enable the slave master, it simultaneously seeks to foment war, they are two sides of the same coin. I know the price of liberty because I have seen it paid time and again, it does not, but it is about to learn as are thousands of others. Just as its kind have enabled the election of Hillary, so have they fomented the conflict that is about to engulf this nation.

  • Ol’ Uncle Lar

    Good lord, a full-bore jetliner to go 20 miles? Howza about a twin engine Cessna fer cryin’ out loud!

  • KirklesWorth

    For Torcer’s obsession with polls:

    2016 Election Analysis: Trump Will Defeat Clinton in Landslide https://the-politik.com/2016/08/04/trump_will_win_landslide/

    Clinton lead over Trump shrinks to margin-of-error: Bloomberg poll https://sharylattkisson.com/clinton-lead-over-trump-shrinks-to-margin-of-error-bloomberg-poll/

    How Bloomberg Spun Its Own Poll Data To Make Hillary Clinton Seem Inevitable http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-16/how-bloomberg-spun-its-own-poll-data-make-hillary-clinton-seem-inevitable

    CNN conducted an online poll that had Trump winning by a landslide for a good 20 minutes, then dramatically shifted to favor Hillary in less than 5. If they’re desperate enough to rig their online polls, what does that say about their “scientific” polls? https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/4xo296/cnn_conducted_an_online_poll_that_had_trump/

    Trump Will Win By a Landslide According to Social Media Numbers
    http://www.infowars.com/trump-will-win-by-a-landslide-according-to-social-media-numbers/

    The Media Should Calm Down About the Polls. It’s all over! It’s all over! (Actually, the race hasn’t even started yet.) http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/the-media-should-calm-down-about-the-polls/

    App maker: Trump will win election http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2016/08/13/app-maker—trump-win-election/88640044/

    New Pew poll shows a tighter national race http://hotair.com/archives/2016/08/18/new-pew-poll-shows-a-tighter-national-race/

    POLLS based on 100,000 people or more show Donald Trump clobbering Hillary Clinton big time http://www.barenakedislam.com/2016/08/14/polls-based-on-100000-people-or-more-show-donald-trump-clobbering-hillary-clinton-big-time/

    Dead heat! Clinton, Trump TIED in new polls https://thehornnews.com/dead-heat-clinton-trump-tied-new-polls/

    Rasmussen Poll Shows Two-Point Race: Clinton 41 Percent, Trump 39 Percent http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/08/18/rasmussen-poll-shows-two-point-race/

  • KirklesWorth

    Not posted nearly enough on blogs either.

  • Torcer

    Answer my question please instead of dodging it:

    KirklesWorth “That a candidate who champions liberty wins”, that really isn’t true. There are only two viable candidates and neither of them champion your version of “liberty”.

    “your version of “liberty”? What exactly are you talking about? Are there different versions of Liberty?

  • Torcer

    Good line: What a pathetic dodge.

    Answer my question please instead of dodging it:

    KirklesWorth
    “That a candidate who champions liberty wins”, that really isn’t true.
    There are only two viable candidates and neither of them champion your
    version of “liberty”.

    “your version of “liberty”? What exactly are you talking about? Are there
    different versions of Liberty?

  • Torcer

    No, the point is that trump candidacy is a disaster of epic proportions.
    Can you at least acknowledge that?

  • Torcer

    So why hasn’t he used his alleged billions to answer her adverts?

  • Torcer

    “What a pathetic dodge.”

    ‘Beholden to no one’ Trump owes $650 MILLION to China, and Goldman Sachs!!
    An investigation by the New York Times revealed another aspect of Trump’s scam that many suspected – he is heavily in debt despite barking that he can’t be bought by anyone during the primaries.

    …an investigation by The New York Times into the financial maze of Mr. Trump’s real estate holdings in the United States reveals that companies he owns have at least $650 million in debt — twice the amount than can be gleaned from public filings he has made as part of his bid for the White House. The Times’s inquiry also found that Mr. Trump’s fortunes depend deeply on a wide array of financial backers, including one he has cited in attacks during his campaign.

    This follows the familiar pattern – Trump projects the sins he commits on his competitors all the time. While saying that his opponents were puppets who had been bought and sold by business interests, he himself is in debt to those same interests.
    http://therightscoop.com/beholden-to-no-one-trump-owes-650-million-to-china-and-goldman-sachs/

  • Torcer

    KirklesWorth Back to your polls obsession, eh? So be it. Did I claim polls were false? No, I didn’t. Polls are polls – they are collected mostly by liberals and reflect the opinions of the people at that time. The election is two months away, and a lot can happen.

    Merely stating disbelief while making vague allusions to other purposes is hardly an answer.
    Please cite how the polls are incorrect with facts and logicIf you can.

    No, that’s a way of referring to someone.

    KirklesWorth Okay, “it” it is, so stop bellyaching.

    You’re the one complaining about the practice.

    More false narratives – show everyone your work – IF you can.

    KirklesWorth Right…you have to know Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals to claim somebody else knows them.

    No, YOU have to show where I’ve used those tactics. You’ve FAILED to do so TRY AGAIN.

  • Torcer

    Excellent points.
    I’m guessing that it had an unguarded moment when it said that and now is trying to distract away for it.

    If you look at it’s postings you’ll see that it’s desperately trying to tack away from that statement..

  • KirklesWorth

    Yes. Abortion for one.

  • Torcer

    What about it?

  • KirklesWorth

    (Sarcasm) It’s fun! What do you think? It’s currently a liberty.

  • Torcer

    No, what the devil are you talking about?
    Answer the question like an adult – IF you can.

  • KirklesWorth

    I’m sorry, I thought you were the one who posted the definition of liberty at http://moonbattery.com/?p=75389#comment-2848997983. I will post it for you below since you seem to have forgotten it and/or not to understood it. Here’s the ruling on abortion and liberty:

    The Court’s plurality opinion reaffirmed the central holding of Roe v. Wade[1] stating that “matters, involving the most intimate and personal choices a person may make in a lifetime, choices central to personal dignity and autonomy, are central to the liberty protected by the Fourteenth Amendment.

    Definition of liberty noun (plural liberties) [mass noun]
    1 The state of being free within society from oppressive restrictions imposed by authority on one’s behaviour or political views: ‘compulsory retirement would interfere with individual liberty’
    1.1The state of not being imprisoned or enslaved:
    ‘people who attacked phone boxes would lose their liberty’
    1.2The power or scope to act as one pleases: ‘individuals should enjoy the liberty to pursue their own preferences’
    1.3 Philosophy A person’s freedom from control by fate or necessity.
    2 [count noun] (usually liberties) A right or privilege, especially a statutory one: ‘the Bill of Rights was intended to secure basic civil liberties’
    Origin Late Middle English: from Old French liberte, from Latin libertas, from liber ‘free’.
    http://moonbattery.com/?p=75389#comment-2848997983

  • Torcer

    So are you pro-choice?

  • KirklesWorth

    LOL…no, and that’s not at issue, but nice try. You are conceding that “liberty”means different things to different people. Thank you.

  • KirklesWorth

    How about “I think there is two months left for Trump to make a point or two.” That was a pretty good response the first time.

  • Doesn’t spew enough carbon for her presumed status.

  • KirklesWorth

    Is re-posting the article supposed to mean something? Did you know he was a businessman before he was a candidate?

  • KirklesWorth

    I will acknowledge it is speculation.

  • KirklesWorth

    What part of ‘polls mean squat at this stage’ don’t you understand? I’ve already addressed this at http://moonbattery.com/?p=75389#comment-2849059841

    No, you conveniently forgot again that you started the tactic and the subsequent bellyaching with:

    With false narratives and childish name calling all rolled up in to one neat package.

    Until you deny that you use Alinsky’s tactics, my statement stands.

  • KirklesWorth

    I put this ridiculous line of questioning here: http://moonbattery.com/?p=75389#comment-2849151236

  • 762×51

    Remember what it said;

    “KirklesWorth Torcer • 17 hours ago
    Yeah…you keep asking that…the answer is: to keep an eye on things. Why are you here and do you have a problem with me being here?” Kirklesworth 8/18/2016

    SS-Rottenführer Wrinkledick is here to keep an eye on us, on anyone who would dissent from its fascist agenda.

    That kind of fascism can only be defeated by force of arms, you cannot reason with it or bargain with it. Neville Chamberlain proved that conclusively. That is why I have offered it combat, both to demonstrate its blatant cowardice and to remind it that it cannot implement its fascist agenda in America without a really big a gunfight.

    I shall do so with each and every one of the fascists.

  • KirklesWorth

    What a cute little mutual admiration society. “It” will continue to point out everything you hate about Trump will be worse with Hillary.

  • KirklesworthFACSISTFUCK

    While “keeping and eye on us, of course.

    FASCIST FUCK!

  • KirklesWorth

    Oh, you want my attention again? Very well. Your paranoia is very enduring, but I’m trying to ignore you but you keep going out of your way for me to see you. Sorry, but I don’t swing that way.

  • KirklesworthSSspy.

    I know, you are a sniveling coward as you have demonstrated repeatedly here.

    Tell me, SS-Rottenführer, what is your plan when we begin to resist in force? How will your cowardice help you then, pussy?

  • KirklesWorth

    You are one magnificently-awesome mega-macho super hero! Please protect us “sniveling cowards”!

  • 762×51

    Protect the enemy, now why would I want to do that?

    Aren’t you late for your goose stepping class? How are they going to get stated without the instructor?

  • Torcer

    KirklesWorth

    LOL…no, and that’s not at issue, but nice try. You are conceding that liberty means different things to different people. Thank you.
    http://moonbattery.com/?p=75389#comment-2849173762

    And of course we see the disingenuous attempt at pretending some was said when it was not.

    Where did I supposedly state that – and except of my saying that exact thing will be required.

    KirklesWorth
    liberty means different things to different people.
    http://moonbattery.com/?p=75389#comment-2849173762

    What do you mean by that?

  • Torcer

    Comrade Clinton is being ‘enabled’ (to coin a phrase) to set a negative narrative while her adverts are being unanswered.

    Again: Answer the question please:
    So why hasn’t he used his alleged billions to answer her adverts?

  • Torcer

    It means you have to address the points raised in the article.

    Re-posting it means you can’t get away with dodging the question and then pretending it was a non-issue.

    ‘Beholden to no one’ Trump owes $650 MILLION to China, and Goldman Sachs!!
    An investigation by the New York Times revealed another aspect of Trump’s scam that many suspected – he is heavily in debt despite barking that he can’t be bought by anyone during the primaries.

    …an investigation by The New York Times into the financial maze of Mr. Trump’s real estate holdings in the United States reveals that companies he owns have at least $650 million in debt — twice the amount than can be gleaned from public filings he has made as part of his bid for the White House. The Times’s inquiry also found that Mr. Trump’s fortunes depend deeply on a wide array of financial backers, including one he has cited in attacks during his campaign.

    This follows the familiar pattern – Trump projects the sins he commits on his competitors all the time. While saying that his opponents were puppets who had been bought and sold by business interests, he himself is in debt to those same interests.
    http://therightscoop.com/beholden-to-no-one-trump-owes-650-million-to-china-and-goldman-sachs/

  • Torcer

    Are you denying the reality of trump’s dreadful polls?

  • Torcer

    Again, that is not a reasoned argument – TRY AGAIN

    Merely stating disbelief while making vague allusions to other purposes is hardly an answer.
    Please cite how the polls are incorrect with facts and logicIf you can.

    So to review – you claimed using ‘it’ to refer to someone was somehow name calling, then you backed off that claim.

    KirklesWorth Until you deny that you use Alinsky’s tactics, my statement stands.

    NO, you have to PROVE something until it ‘stands’.

    Merely hurling a false accusation and then demanding someone deny it is Worthless.

    Again: Is that the best you’ve reduced to as your tactics?
    Make something up and then when it’s responded to the rote response is no denial is forthcoming.

  • Torcer

    Actually, you didn’t.

    TRY AGAIN:

    Good line: What a pathetic dodge.

    Answer my question please instead of dodging it:

    KirklesWorth
    “That a candidate who champions liberty wins”, that really isn’t true.
    There are only two viable candidates and neither of them champion your
    version of “liberty”.

    “your version of “liberty”? What exactly are you talking about? Are there
    different versions of Liberty?

  • Torcer

    I dare say they she provided a wonderful laugh last night with this little ditty:

    KirklesWorth

    Because I said so. Denial?
    http://moonbattery.com/?p=75254#comment-2849142888

    That was priceless!

  • Torcer

    And of course it cannot manage to comment without throwing in false narrative..

  • Darth Wyatt
  • 762×51

    Yep, the fascist runs deep in it. Just taking the two references we have discussed here, “Because I said so” and “Keeping an eye on things at MB”, one can gain a fairly complete picture of its intentions and the reasons it so forcefully supports an authoritarian statist candidate.

    My very first interaction with it was when it appeared and posted a comment that read, “Reported that remark as inappropriate” to something I had said to another troll. I knew right away I was dealing with a fascist and have been on it ever since. The Gestapo would be proud of old Jerkoffsworth..

  • Torcer

    It first attacked me on an old thread dated before the convention on a posting I had made pleading with people to reconsider supporting trump.. and of course it did that AFTER the convention and went on from there..

  • rex freeway

    Read that twice. You took more time in typing that then he did for his law review in college. I’m certain it was more factual also. Great read. lol

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