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Aug 27 2016

Ted Cruz Predicted Trump’s Great Illegal Immigration Flip-Flop

He won’t say he told you so, so I’ll say it: He told you so. Here’s what Cruz said back in May:

“Donald will betray his supporters on every issue. If you care about immigration, Donald is laughing at you.”

Cruz isn’t psychic. Anyone familiar with Trump’s history and character could have made the same prediction.

Anyone want to dispute that Trump betrayed his supporters on his core issue, and will continue to betray them until this farce is finally over?

Words of wisdom from a far better candidate.

On a tip from Torcer.



  • Tucker

    Trump joins gang of 8 now its the gang of 9
    way to go low information voters!!

  • Tucker

    And Trump is the guy who will nominate Conservative Judges to the Supreme Court
    LOL

  • 762×51

    He was financing the Gang of 8 originally in 2013, so I guess it was always the gang of 9.

  • Stephen

    Trump’s immigration position post-softening is still better than Cruz.

    If and when Trump starts handing out soccer balls and teddy bears to 3rd worlders trespassers, then I’ll be take Cruz a bit more seriously.

  • Cecil Henry

    Cruz NEVER spoke out on these issues or addressed them like Trump. He followed Trump and opposed him every step.

    If Trump backsteps that is Trump’s lie, NOT Cruz’s virtue. Cruz was never going to be the answer, as he had forever to do it and never did.

  • FrozenPatriot

    Funny things, those principles are. Almost like they moor you to an ideological and ethical foundation. Anyone who claims otherwise would do well to consider the log in their own eye before replying…

  • Tucker

    Cruz was the only one speaking these issue! He just didn’t get in everyone’s face like Trump did. The country wanted a real man to run for President after Lady Obama,unfortunately low information voters picked Democrat Trump. I don’t remember Trump closing down the Federal gov’t? Begging for smaller gov’t, standing up to the Rhino’s in congress and the senate. I don’t remember Trump talking Pro Life, I don’t remember Trump donating to Hillary Clinton? Wait I do remember that.. sorry

  • Kevcar

    Cruz absolutely addressed these issues way before trump came along. A very simple search on Cruz and immigration will find him speaking about a wall and strengthening the border patrol in 2012. In 2012 trump was meeting with all the “dreamers” Obama set up. This is all easily verified. If you choose not to look it up and continue with the misinformation someone gave you, that’s your choice obviously.

  • KirklesWorth

    Or maybe Trump is more in-tune with the people he represents rather than Ted Cruz and the so-called “conservatives” that bailed on him. And since a candidate should represent the will of the people, who’s to argue?

    Border Wall: 61% oppose, 36% favor

    41% of republicans want better border security and stronger law enforcement
    12% of republicans want illegal citizenship
    45% of republicans want both

    29% say prioritize illegal citizenship
    24% say better border security
    45% say both

    76% say illegals are as hard working and honest as U.S. Citizens
    67% say illegals are no more likely than citizens to commit serious crimes

    http://www.people-press.org/2016/08/25/on-immigration-policy-partisan-differences-but-also-some-common-ground/

  • KirklesWorth

    I don’t remember Trump closing down the Federal gov’t?

    Ted Cruz closing down the federal government was a huge mistake and one nail in his coffin (and how could Trump shut down the federal government?) Just Google “Ted Cruz filibuster mistake” and see for yourself.

    Begging for smaller gov’t, standing up to the Rhino’s in congress and the senate.

    And he was despised for it. Just Google “Ted Cruz hated” and see for yourself.

    I don’t remember Trump talking Pro Life,

    “Pro-Life Group Endorses Donald Trump: “He is Committed to Supporting” Pro-Life Values” http://www.lifenews.com/2016/07/22/pro-life-group-endorses-donald-trump-he-is-committed-to-supporting-pro-life-values/

    Yes, businessman Trump participated in what may now be referred to as Hillary’s pay-to-play.

  • Tucker

    Yup The Pew Poll enough said. Trump supporters want the wall, they want America first, they want illegals sent back to their homes, they want to destroy Obama Care. I’m just saying Trump is already backtracking on sending illegals back the core of what his voters want.

  • StarTripper

    Cruz drafted on Trump like a NASCAR driver and let the other candidates attack. His hope was Trump would eventual drop and the Trump supporters would go to him. Didn’t work.

  • John

    This site really needs to display the Hillary logo up top, as a sign of intellectual honesty. Sad, sad, sad, how this place has deteriorated.

    That said, I’m glad to be proven wrong, but I think the simplest answer to Trump’s new tack is the right one in this case: TRUMP IS USING THE LEFT’S TOOLS AGAINST THEM.

    Ya know Dems often put up a radical candidate, then *unexpectedly!* some
    Leftist faction comes out of (the hellish Democrat equivalent of) the heavens
    to cry, “but OH! They’re moving to the center! We’re doomed!”…all WITH THE
    INTENT OF MAKING THE CANDIDATE APPEAR MORE PALATABLE TO MODERATES/INDEPENDENTS.

    To me, THAT’S ALL TRUMP IS DOING WITH HIS MOVE.

    (…and people like Ann Coulter are playing right along, which is fine. It reinforces the “legitimacy” of the move.)

    AND, it fits right in with my other reaction to his most recent “pivot”:
    While many here (and elsewhere in the blogosphere and MSM) have delighted in Trump’s change in speeches, I’ve been generally disappointed and plain-out bored.

    He’s talking JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER POLITICIAN now!

    But: WHY?!?

    Think about it:
    SAME. DAMN. ANSWER.
    He’s trolling for votes from the folks who are still undecided.

    And that’s A GOOD THING!

    So, as far as I’m concerned about all this, while I’ll miss Trump’s bluster and spontaneity in speeches, I believe I correctly understand “why.”

  • CTsOpinion

    Say what you will we now have a choice between Hillary and an ASSCLOWN, we could have done better. The Donald’s mental illness as displayed by his mouth will elect Hillary.

  • CTsOpinion

    True

  • Tucker

    So we are calling a lie a Pivot now. Interesting. I’m still going to vote for Trump but you Trumpsters better not back down on immigration or he will lose the election to the grandmother Hilliary. Trump isn’t using the left’s tools against them he is one of them.

  • CTsOpinion

    All of which shows that the”Republican Establishment”in their incompetence made Trump their guaranteed loser candidate.

  • Tom

    Maybe he did “address” these issues but apparently folks didn’t like what he was saying, or perhaps the nasally, scolding, voice in which he “addressed” these issues turned people off? Why – what purpose – would be served by “looking it up” now? Cruz lost,

  • k9style

    Great. Now give Ted his free oven mitt and let’s make sure Hillary never sees the WH.

  • KirklesWorth

    Funny…I thought it was the conservatives that had the loser candidate.

  • Mr. Freemarket

    Had Trump backtracked earlier, it might have happened. Now Trump is trying to appeal to Hispanics.

  • Mr. Freemarket

    So the fillabuster was one of the few efforts to actually stop Obama’s agenda and it was a huge mistake?

    You are one of the reasons we have no opposition party.

  • KirklesWorth

    Why are you asking me? Google it for yourself. “Green Eggs and Ham” failed to impress.

  • John

    Your attitude sure *sounds* like a Trump supporter! /s

  • John

    Your words do much more to aid and abet the election of Hillary.

  • John

    Oh, grasp your pearls, darling!
    Trump wants the votes of Hispanics…and Blacks!
    Oh my!!! /s

  • John

    Cruz was and STILL IS all talk and NO ACTION.

  • KirklesWorth

    Well, conservatives have declared they are not “his” voters, so that leaves moderates – and almost half want both enforcement and citizenship:

    41% of republicans want better border security and stronger law enforcement
    12% of republicans want illegal citizenship
    45% of republicans want both

    http://www.people-press.org/2016/08/25/on-immigration-policy-partisan-differences-but-also-some-common-ground/

  • John

    Not exactly:
    it was the “true, principled Conservatives”
    following the travelling tent Revival Preacher.

  • John

    Yeah…”address” these issues in the sense of
    TALK TALK TALK…
    *yawn*

  • KirklesWorth

    It’s amazing how many anti-Trumpers convince themselves tnat supporting Trump somehow equates into supporting Hillary. These people are emotionally compromised with Trump hatred.

  • KirklesWorth

    Why not? Conservatives bailed on him.

  • Mr. Freemarket

    How’s that effort working?

  • Mr. Freemarket

    Trump was the one who failed to lock up the conservative base. Now he bails on what few conservative positions he had. Not the recipe for success.

  • KirklesWorth

    Trump won the candidacy…conservatives notwithstanding. So-called “conservatives” and their “my way or the highway” tactics lose again, and then they try to spin it around on Trump’s “purity test” failures. Well, we’ve gone through this dance twice previously, so it’s time for so-called “conservatives” to decide whether to be brave and take up the challenge of Trump or throw away any future conservative candidate possibilities after Hillary overruns our country with illegal democrats.

  • KirklesWorth

    Hillary’s doing smash-up work! And she’s just got the endorsement from the grand dragon of the KKK!

  • Tucker

    Being forced to vote for Trump isn’t supporting Trump its just not voting for the biggest ass clown. Speaking of ass clowns KirklesWorth…

  • helena handbasket

    The Trumphumpers make as many excuses for their short-fingered vulgarian as the Obots did for the Chicago Messiah in ’08. Nine-dimensional chess, indeed.

  • helena handbasket

    No, but it is the surefire recipe for getting his buddy and favorite candidate Hilbag elected.

  • helena handbasket

    Real conservatives didn’t bail on Cruz. The GOPe refuses to close primaries and the Orange Obama won the primaries with 12 million democrap voters who will now do the “Switch and Ditch” and go back to their favorite democrap, Grandma Hildawg.

  • helena handbasket

    Ted Cruz closing down the federal government was a huge mistake and one nail in his coffin (and how could Trump shut down the federal government?) Just Google “Ted Cruz filibuster mistake” and see for yourself.

    Do a search on how many times Reagan “shut down” the govt and the absolutely devastating effect it had on his popularity.

  • Kevcar

    The purpose for Cecil would be to confirm that someone lied to him. Therefore he would know not to have much confidence in anything that person had to say in the future. Remember, the original post was that “Cruz didn’t address these issue” when he clearly did. It would be a learning experience so hopefully things would go better next time. Or, just blow it off , remain stupid, and make the same mistakes over and over and over to everyone’s deficit (yawn). Also, yes the establishment didn’t like what Cruz was saying.

  • KirklesWorth

    The comment wasn’t meant to imply the conservatives bailing on Cruz, it was the conservatives bailing on Trump along with Ted Cruz bailing on Trump. Sour grapes about Ted Cruz losing notwithstanding..

  • KirklesWorth

    So this is about Trump really wanting to get Hillary elected?

  • KirklesWorth

    It’s not republicans and Trump supporters’ fault Ted Cruz was such a train wreck. So now the poor so-called “conservatives” want to pick up their marbles and go home. Some of us other conservatives are trying to make sure Hillary never sets foot in the White House.

  • KirklesWorth

    Poor baby…wants to punish the country for Trump’s candidacy like it’s everybody else’s fault Ted Cruz was such a train wreck. Go ahead and help Hillary win – just don’t go around blaming us Trump supporters for it.

  • KirklesWorth

    Funny, I thought we were talking about Ted Cruz’s failures. How’d the filibuster work for Cruz? Must not have been as good at shutting down the government as Reagan – but then again, Reagan didn’t quote “Green Eggs and Ham” either.

  • Tom

    “Trump was the one who failed to lock up the conservative base. ”
    Perhaps that’s because the “conservative base” has spent the last year or so in an all-out attack on the man? No political background to criticize so they spent their time and considerable effort to slam and demean Trump.

  • Cruz beat every other candidate that wasn’t Trump. Calling that a “train wreck” is nowhere close to acknowledging reality.

  • KirklesWorth

    “Loser” better? I thought the irony of Cruz calling Trump a “train wreck” was rather apt.

  • Oh brother. Are you some kind of spammer or something, copypasting the same thing everywhere?

  • Trump has always supported Hillary. Ergo, a vote for him might as well be a vote for her.

  • Charles

    He’s likely one of those trolls that Putin paid to be pro Trump.

  • KirklesWorth

    Oh right, it’s that guilt-by-association thing. Businessman Trump gave to the Clintons, so that indicts him as candidate Trump. How convenient for you.

  • KirklesWorth

    Oops…I used “train wreck” twice – how horrible! Okay, how about “It’s not republicans and Trump supporters’ fault Ted Cruz was such a disaster.” Better?

  • Not only did he have the Clintons over to his wedding and called Hillary the best Secretary of State ever, he even called up Bill Clinton personally to ask for advice before launching his presidential campaign. He’s nothing but a dirty conman.

  • KirklesWorth

    “Likely” eh? So it’s not possible for somebody to defend Trump without being one of those “trolls that Putin paid”, eh? I guess that makes you a paid Hillary troll then?

  • Anyone who actually pays attention to Cruz’s high level of activity knows you’re full of it dude.

  • It worked out great. 2014 went fabulously for republicans, no thanks to everyone and their mother in the establishment trying to throw Cruz under the bus. And by the way, it’s factually incorrect to say that Cruz “shut down the government.”

  • Kirkles there doesn’t understand how filibusters work apparently.

  • J.j. Cintia

    Cruz wanted to increase H-1B visas by 500%. That’s a lot of American jobs lost. He only talked about Immigration when Jeb Bush crashed and burned by supporting Amnesty. His penchant for whorehouses and his wife working for Goldman-Sachs, a big Hillary donor, apparently doesn’t bother any of you #NeverTrumpers either.

  • That is such a lie. Trump has been riding Cruz’s coattails, putting on an act like the orange weasel scumbag he is.

  • KirklesWorth

    Oh my gosh! People from different ends of the political spectrum never go to each others weddings (11 years ago) or compliment them like Ted Cruz claimed: “Ted Cruz claim about Donald Trump praising Hillary Clinton overlooks Trump calling her ‘worst’ ever” http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2016/mar/08/ted-cruz/ted-cruz-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-best-secreta/

    And having a phone conversation with Bill Clinton before his run…well that just clinches it, doesn’t it?

  • KirklesWorth

    Funny, that’s not what I read about it – a lot about “anger”, “absurdity”, “ego trip”, etc..

    If you look at in in context, the comparison was made by helena handbasket between a filibuster (that Ted Cruz did) and a government shut down (that Reagan did). I was following suit.

  • KirklesWorth

    Hmm…you mean the alienation it caused in the senate? Is that supposed to be how fillibusters work?

  • man_wolf

    Obama.
    Now being served in vanilla & masquerading as a “Republican”.

  • KirklesWorth

    Yeah…kind of like helping Hillary win so that you can “wake” people up with the injustice she will wreak.

  • man_wolf

    Trumptards are either gullible or they were just Democrats to begin with.

  • man_wolf

    Where have we heard this before?
    Oh yeah.
    Obama.

  • That is completely false. You don’t have any clue what you’re talking about, do you?

    https://www.facebook.com/GlennBeck/posts/10154107399238188

  • KirklesWorth

    There are four options – which do you recommend?

    1. vote for Trump
    2. vote for Hillary
    3. vote for third party
    4. don’t vote

    Options 3-4 would permit a Hillary vote not to be cancelled out by a Trump vote (thus enabling Hillary).

  • man_wolf

  • Trump is going to lose, in case you hadn’t heard. There is no question I’ll be voting third party.

  • KirklesWorth

    So you already realize you will be enabling Hillary to win. Interesting…

  • More ignorance. Ted has always pursued robust immigration and worker visa reform.

    https://www.numbersusa.com/news/sens-cruz-and-sessions-introduce-strong-h-1b-reform-bill

  • I didn’t say that at all. Trump has no mass appeal whatsoever. He’ll lose all by himself, even without our help.

  • J.j. Cintia

    “Immigration reform” is just Amnesty. Obama, Bush and Hillary have already admitted it.

  • Of course you did. Because anyone actually doing what they said when they were campaigning is anathema in Washington. Cruz has always been anti-establishment, unlike your orangutan of a candidate.

  • I suppose you wish he had kissed up to the likes of McConnell like a good little puppy.

  • Yeah, it does. Trump consults with his pals the Clintons because he’s a liberal, and always has been.

  • KirklesWorth

    Uh huh. So you won’t vote for Trump because he “has no mass appeal whatsoever” and will “lose all by himself”, so you will do what helps Hillary. Got ya.

  • KirklesWorth

    And so Hillary it is! You’ve surrendered to Hillary, so why do you care about Trump supporters and why are you here trying to ensure a Hillary victory?

  • KirklesWorth

    “My orangutan”? I thought he was the republican candidate – and you don’t know who I supported before the primaries. I guess you do what you need to do justify letting Hillary get elected.

  • KirklesWorth

    What I “wish” is irrelevant and immaterial at this point. Ted Cruz is out – your bellyaching notwithstanding. How you decide to explain your concession to Hillary is not my problem.

  • Don’t be ridiculous. I have a ton of reasons for not supporting that lying imbecile.

  • Tucker

    5th option:
    I kick KirklesWorth ass! Lol just kidding Nancy.

  • That’s just puerile nonsense.

  • KirklesWorth

    Is one that Hillary will be better?

  • Tucker

    Three Democrats!!

  • KirklesWorth

    Clever evasion. Let me remind you of the question:

    There are four options – which do you recommend?

    1. vote for Trump
    2. vote for Hillary
    3. vote for third party
    4. don’t vote

    Options 3-4 would permit a Hillary vote not to be cancelled out by a Trump vote (thus enabling Hillary).

  • You apparently think we should have to choose between brain cancer and leukemia. I’m just going to say no to both.

  • Tucker

    Sorry forgot KirklesWorth

  • KirklesWorth

    What you say and what the reality will be are two different things. We will have Trump or Hillary – your saying “no” notwithstanding.

  • You need to do something about your binary goggles dude. If both candidates suck, just say no to the both of them.

  • KirklesWorth

    I don’t know why you keep calling me…I’m still eagerly waiting for you to answer my question:

    There are four options – which do you recommend?

    1. vote for Trump
    2. vote for Hillary
    3. vote for third party
    4. don’t vote

    Options 3-4 would permit a Hillary vote not to be cancelled out by a Trump vote (thus enabling Hillary).

  • And it doesn’t matter which, they’re both terrible. As such, I’ll just cast a vote and my support to other decent candidates less likely to win, and we’ll have to try for better next time.

  • KirklesWorth

    That’s where you are mistaken…there won’t be a “next time” when Hillary floods the country with illegal democrats and gives them voting rights.

  • KirklesWorth

    And what is your suggestion? you’re going to get a “binary” solution.

  • So vote for conservatives in Congress who will actually resist her nonsense. It’s about the best we can do at this point.

  • I suggest having a minimum standard for candidates. Trump is way below mine.

  • Charles

    And in the Senate as well. McCain needs to be primaried so we can get some of these establishment goofs out of DC.

  • KirklesWorth

    That’s “the best we can do at this point”? How about #1 defeat Hillary and #2 deal with Trump? Your Hillary concession isn’t very pragmatic for your long-term game.

  • KirklesWorth

    Sounds noble…will Hillary meet your minimum standard?

  • John

    Ooh! You must be a HILLARY supporter…
    …with all that PUTIN MASTERMIND CONSPIRACY garbage and all….

  • Charles

    I don’t plan on voting for any of the three main candidates either. So I want you to try to tell us the reasons why we should vote for Trump other than the fact that he’s not Hillary.

  • John

    Ahh…the old Leftist “everyone knows” tactic.
    TYPICAL GOPe FAIL.

  • KirklesWorth

    Sorry, if the fact that he’s not Hillary isn’t enough for you then you are too far gone.

  • Charles

    So in other words, you have no policy reasons why I should vote for him?

  • KirklesWorth

    I didn’t say that. Are you so uninformed? Did I give you too much credit for knowing the differences? https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/political-issues/

  • John

    You LIE. Cintia’s facts are CORRECT.

  • John

    This is the level of desperation and immaturity to be expected of
    ANTI TRUMPers.

    You ARE a sad, sorry lot.

  • Charles

    He’s already walked back on his stance on immigration from his stance in the primaries (one of the few things conservatives really liked about him). So right now from what I’m seeing we have two open borders candidates in Johnson and Clinton and Trump who’s going to start considering it because Hillary is running away with the Hispanic vote, along with the AA vote.

  • John

    500+ delegates VERSUS 1,700+ delegates?!?
    YES CRUZ WAS THE *L*O*S*E*R*.
    Boo friggin hoo. DEAL with it.

  • John

    Very, VERY WELL.
    NO THANKS to YOU!

  • KirklesWorth

    Oh yes, it’s the “we can’t trust what Trump says” defense. It’s the one I get whenever somebody asks for policy differences, who really didn’t want them and was just trying to bait the conversation.

    So you can rest comfortably in your Hillary embrace and leave us to fight against her with Trump.

  • Definitely. Also, what’s the deal with guys like Orrin Hatch? He’s been in the senate since the mid-70s for crying out loud. We need to take a good hard look at the cemented-in establishment politicians who are stagnating the party on the federal level.

  • John

    WRONG. ABSOLUTLY wrong!!!
    Please see my post above with analysis why it’s merely using the Left’s tactics against them.

  • Mr. Freemarket

    Apparently Trump was not in favor of the government shut down.

  • Charles

    Fully agree. That’s why when I was living in Kentucky, I refused to vote for Mitch McConnell because I knew he was full of bs with everything h e was saying. In fact, he is the reason why they do need term limits in the Senate and House.

  • Not even close.

  • Mr. Freemarket

    If you consider pointing out the inconsistencies between what conservatives believe and Trump positions as the same as attacking the man, then I agree with you completely.

  • John

    YOU are the one twisting yourself using PRETZEL LOGIC to
    aid and abet the election of Hillary
    with the trashing of THE ONLY CANDIDATE
    who can defeat her this November.

  • No, not everyone. Just people who actually bother to check. Most senators are on vacation right now, but Cruz has been busy campaigning with conservatives and getting in touch with the needs of his constituents in Texas.

  • Mr. Freemarket

    He did already endorse her.

  • Trump had less than 40% of the popular vote when Ted suspended his campaign, and even after that, Trump never surpassed 50%. Most people rejected him, and rightly so.

  • John

    Oh, GAWD.
    The old, “I know better than you, neener neener”
    schtick.

    GO AWAY, TROLL.

  • KirklesWorth

    Hmmm…so no Trump and no Hillary…but yet you will get one. Quite a conundrum, isn’t it? How about if those of us who see the considerable difference between them continue to fight against Hillary while you refrain from hassling us for our efforts?

  • Mr. Freemarket

    The KKK has always been the action wing of the Democratic Party.

  • So, you have absolutely nothing of value to add. You can save your childish projection. It’s obvious who the troll is here.

  • John

    WOW! ANd THAT…after SIXTEEN other candidates!
    ONLY 40%…you fool.

    You sound more and more like a Leftist with every post.

  • KirklesWorth

    And I feel a certain compulsion to fight against her and her cronies. You?

  • John

    PROJECTION is the “tell” of a Leftist…
    …or a GOPe fool (little difference).

  • Mr. Freemarket

    That is why people with principles are so troubling.

  • John

    TO Kirkles:

    DON’T BOTHER with these weenies.
    They’ve proven they’re more comfortable with a PRESIDENT HILLARY (according to the motto, “I told ya so!”
    RATHER THAN
    SAVING THIS COUNTRY.

    They are QUISLINGS, one and all.
    They need to be treated as such.

  • KirklesWorth

    Obviously not enough “principles” to prevent a progressive-liberal-socialist criminal from being elected. But then again, that would help you “wake” people up, right?

  • KirklesWorth

    Thanks John. We’ve been sparring partners for a little while now. Just watch out when you meet Torcer and 762×51…one is devious and the other is mental.

  • John

    Their “principles” only go as far as their GLOBALIST MASTERS allow them to do so.

    Hence: “Trump bad!…Hillary? Well, at least we can DO BUSINESS with her…”

  • Like I said, it doesn’t make much difference at this point. Trump will lose regardless of what I do. However, I will continue to spell out how stupid it was of Trump supporters to put their name behind that liberal old narcissist.

  • John

    Torcer is the troll who cuts and pastes his
    “show me absolute proof with links and your blood sample and first born child”
    garbage as a retort…BORING!!!

    FUN, ain’t it?!?
    🙂

  • KirklesWorth

    That’s the spirit! Concede to the enemy! That’s the “conservative” way! And you get a bonus – you get to “punish” all of America for nominating Trump! Thanks for championing the throwing away of our rights for your “conservative ideology”!

  • KirklesWorth

    Oh, so you have met. Yep, that’s it.

  • There were not 16 candidates emerging from Iowa, which Cruz won, let’s not forget. The conservative and more reasonable voters of the Republican party were split between Cruz, Rubio, Kasich, and that idiot Carson for some reason. Trump benefited from that division, because his voters are both more uninformed and more mindlessly loyal than any other voting bloc out there.

  • I think you’ve got your tinfoil hat on a little too tight there bud.

  • Trump is the enemy, just as Hillary is, and I’ll concede to neither.

  • KirklesWorth

    Yeah, right. Your anti-Trump hatred has made you irrational. Hillary will make Obama look like ultra-conservative.

  • John

    Tinfoil?!?

    YOU’RE the UniParty “Useful Idiot” (REF.: Vladimir Lenin).

  • Charles

    No doubt Trump benefited from that. Because if Rubio had dropped out earlier, Cruz likely could’ve won or did better in a lot of those southern states and Minnesota and would’ve gotten the 50% + in Texas to get all of the Texas delegates. So by the time it got to the liberal New England states, Mid-Atlantic states and west coast which Cruz wouldn’t have faired too well in, Cruz would’ve still likely had enough to prevent Trump to winning the nomination outright. Thus, it would’ve gone to a convention where anything could’ve happened.

  • True Story

    Who cares, Trump looks overdone to me, someone take him outta the kitchen, it’s too hot for him. Thanks buddy, you gave us Hillary. It’s all on YOU.

  • True Story

    You are assuming things. Trump admits he’s flexible, flips on H1bs, flips on deportation, flops on deportation, then flips again in the same interview. He wants to make great deals, but wants sanders voters. So are we gonna get right wing deals or left wing deals? Do you know? Do you care?

  • True Story

    That’s not the right answer, the right answer is VOTE TRUMP!

    Did I emulate a ProgNat well?

  • KirklesWorth

    What we would get from Hillary is a known quantity of progressive-liberal-socialist crime. Afraid of Trump?

  • True Story

    You got it backwards.
    #1 deal with Trump
    #2 win the Whitehouse

  • True Story

    Jill Stein isn’t Hillary, vote for her.

  • KirklesWorth

    I find it fascinating that you anti-Trump so-called “conservatives” think that you can have it both ways – hate Trump and hate Hillary while absolving yourselves of any responsibility for the outcome. It’s denial at its finest!

    If Hillary wins, it’s because of so-called “conservative” bailers deciding to “punish” everybody because they don’t like Trump. So much for “conservatives” “conserving” the rights and liberties will destroy.

  • KirklesWorth

    Or don’t vote Trump and get Hillary. Did I emulate progressives well?

  • KirklesWorth

    Right…and your “dealing” with Trump is to attack him, his supporters, and not vote for him so that Hillary wins. Great plan!

  • KirklesWorth

    That pretty much sums up the “logic” of the anti-Trumpers. Throw away your vote, get Hillary, blame Trump. It’s all very convenient for you.

  • And Trump makes Obama look almost like a decent person. ALMOST, ha.

  • True Story

    Trump consistently polled under Hillary. Consistently.

    Let me ask you, when given the choice, would you pick the winner, or the loser?

  • True Story

    Why are you apologizing for trump?

  • KirklesWorth

    Um, I’d pick the one who wasn’t the progressive-liberal-socialist criminal. You?

  • True Story

    The RNC surrendered when they chose the worst candidate to run against Hillary.

  • KirklesWorth

    Why are you working for Hillary?

  • KirklesWorth

    Yep, delusional. I guess you’d hate Ronald Reagan too…?

  • True Story

    He’s a Trump humper making the binary argument, while ignoring all the candidates during the primary that consistently beat hillary. If it wasn’t about white pride, he’d be pissed we have such a crappy candidate.

  • True Story

    Nah, we don’t praise liberal democrats, in either party.

  • KirklesWorth

    Yeah, fighting for the republican candidate is equivalent to a “Trump humper”. Whereas those who bailed think they are morally superior for helping Hillary. Makes perfect sense.

  • KirklesWorth

    You just tie everybody up with anti-Trump rhetoric so that Hillary flies under the radar. So you are right, you are more devious than outright praise.

  • Tucker

    Hey John its called a sense of humor. Most democrats don’t have one.
    I’m voting for Trump because Hillary would be so bad for America.
    I believe he will be just as progressive as her but I don’t think he would intentionally
    hurt America.

  • True Story

    So you don’t like conservatives? Why didn’t you say you were a liberal prog.

  • KirklesWorth

    No, I didn’t say I “didn’t like” anyone. I have displayed contempt for so-called “conservatives” who would hand the country to Hillary – whom I would consider aiding and abetting “liberal progs”. Savvy?

  • True Story

    Even though in polling he could beat hillary? You have a weird way of “winning”. It’s not done how you think it’s down (chosing a crappy cabdidate).

  • KirklesWorth

    “Crappy candidate” or not, the choice is clear. It’s not republicans fault Ted Cruz couldn’t cut it, so forgive us for our party loyalty.

  • True Story

    *hands Kirks a tissue box*

    Dry your eyes, son. You made a mistake, now own it. Be an alpha and tell Trump and the RNC, “I’ll not sell out my principles for a political expediency! I’ll not put an egomaniac into power, no matter how orange or female they are!”

  • Stephen

    That was an audacious display of self-righteousness which did nothing other than portray advocates of border control as the bad non-christians.

    And that was after Cruz authored an amnesty ammendment that was supposed to be more palatable to Republican congressmen.

  • KirklesWorth

    The “ownership” of a Hillary presidency will be the anti-Trump Hillary-enabling fair-weather republican conservatives – not those of us attempting to get Trump to defeat her – your sensitivities to “egomaniacs” notwithstanding. Your condescending illustration was interesting, but more apt for your sour grapes.

  • True Story

    I don’t forgive people who put party over principle. Is that you?

  • KirklesWorth

    What “principle” is that? Sacrificing liberties and freedoms to Hillary? Please forgive me if I fight to keep as many liberties and freedoms as possible.

  • Mock all you want, it’s the truth.

  • Beck and Cruz ARE advocates of border control. Denying that is completely delusional.

  • magic1114

    Flip flops or not, he’s STILL preferable to the wicked witch of Washington…

  • KirklesWorth

    Sorry, Trump does not equal Hillary and Hillary does not equal republican or conservative values. You obviously want Hillary otherwise you’d leave me to do my Trump supporting.

  • Trump has no values at all.

  • magic1114

    Go ahead anti-Trumpers, spoil your vote and give us Cankles. At least I’ll know who to hate until my dying breath…

  • KirklesWorth

    So, why are you here? To convince others for HIllary.?

  • Mr. Freemarket

    Take it back! Donald Trump is no criminal!

  • Mr. Freemarket

    Maybe a kind and merciful Lord will call her home before November.

  • KirklesWorth

    You should stick to Hillary-championing so that you can “wake up” everybody after she’s elected.

  • KirklesWorth

    But you need her to “wake up” the people.

  • Don’t play dumb. Or are you really that forgetful? I already said conservatives should vote for someone other than Trump or Hillary.

  • KirklesWorth

    So you are sabotaging Trump for Hillary. Thanks for the confirmation.

  • Kevcar

    John, while your post did make some good points, and I did read it several times, it would sway more people if you didn’t insult the people you were trying to convince.

  • KirklesWorth

    Funny, I thought it was part of the democratic process where all the others failed to win the nomination. If you are expecting things to be better next time, I’m afraid you are likely to be disappointed.

  • Tom

    No, what you’ve been doing is – as I’ve pointed out on here many times – taking every tweet, every off-hand comment from Trump as an indelible and immutable graven-in-stone indicators of his innermost soul, and any subsequent tweet / comment that conflicts is seized upon and you’re all, “See! See!! He’s a LIAR! ”
    It’s like you’ve never been through an election season before, like you’re unfamiliar with the concept of “moving towards the middle” for the general election. Have you ever heard that phrase before? Do you not grasp that the general election voters – as opposed to GOP Primary voters – are more ‘middle of the road” if you will , and that a candidate has to appeal to more than just the “base” to win elections?
    I mean…how naive are you folks?

  • FiscalCon

    Stupid Trump-eters. I will vote for Trump. But it is you guys’ fault that we have the phoney “conservative” Trump. You unleashed all your bile against Cruz and repeated Trump’s lies allowing him to slander Cruz, a true constitutional conservative.

    Cruz was the US collegiate debate champion. He would have destroyed Hillary instead of continuously inserting his foot in his mouth.

    The problem is NOT the conservative anti-Trump-ers. Most will do their duty and reluctantly vote for the moron. The problem is the GOP-e-ers who will vote for Hillary but more importantly the millions that will stay at home because of Trump’s boorish behavior.

  • FiscalCon

    You gave us Cankles. Trump was the only candidate that Hillary could defeat. The GOP-e knew this. CNN definitely knew this (giving him continuous free political advertising up to the point when he won the nomination). People who know a pittance of history, know that Trump would be a fiasco. (Read about H.Ross Perot.)

    You trump-eters have been played for fools by the GOP-e that wants Hillary. The fault lies entirely with you.

  • Torcer

    Couldn’t said it better – It’s the Trump supporters with their uniformed choice that wrought this upon the land.

    Trump’s flaws and missteps are his and his alone.

    If they had just listened to others they would have known the left WANTED Jeb trump to be the nominee.

  • Torcer

    This is a man not serious about winning:

    Prep Is Exactly What You’d Expect It To Be

    Donald Trump is taking a different approach. He summons his informal band of counselors — including former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani, talk-radio host Laura Ingraham and ousted Fox News Channel chairman Roger Ailes — to his New Jersey golf course for Sunday chats. Over bacon cheeseburgers, hot dogs and glasses of Coca-Cola, they test out zingers and chew over ways to refine the Republican nominee’s pitch.

    Trump’s aides have put together briefing books, not that the candidate is devoting much time to reading them. Trump is not holding any mock debates, proudly boasting that a performer with his talents does not need that sort of prepping. Should Trump submit to traditional rehearsals, some associates are talking about casting Ingraham, an adversarial chronicler of Clinton scandals, to play the Democratic nominee.

    I suppose one thing that is considered “right” here is the use of a shrill, mildly insane woman to play the part of Hillary Clinton. Other than that, there’s nothing here that makes it look like Trump wants to win this thing.

    See, the debates make or break candidacies, and no candidacy is already more broken than Donald Trump’s. He is regularly behind in the polls and, as a result, is fighting from a position of weakness. That is something the debates can help with. A lot. The chance to show you are better than your opponent when it comes to taking on the issues is what makes the debates a thing we do. But if you’re not even really focusing on the issues and simply practicing some good zingers, you take an unimaginably huge risk with your candidacy.
    […]
    That’s why this story is so baffling. There are competent people actually on Trump’s campaign staff. Why they aren’t pushing harder to get him ready is beyond me. Why he, a self-described winner, doesn’t want to really ensure he is going to win is beyond me. Even if his strategy works, and he insults Clinton and throws her off her game, he doesn’t necessarily look better because of it. She just looks worse. He won’t go up in the polls so much as she’ll go down. That’s not a winning strategy.
    http://www.redstate.com/joesquire/2016/08/27/donald-trumps-debate-prep-exactly-youd-expect/

  • Torcer

    VIDEO: Ad to Air in Swing States Calls on Trump to Quit
    Anti-Trump Republicans have put together an ad campaign calling on Donald Trump to keep his promise and quit the campaign. The promise they’re referring to? One from the primaries, in which Trump himself said that if he saw his poll numbers decline, he’d quit the race.
    https://youtu.be/y3qRar5UKHk
    According to Politico, the ad buy is in key swing states – ones where Trump is already fighting for the life of his candidacy for president.

    The Free the Delegates movement, despite what both the RNC and the Trump campaign told us, seems to still be alive. There are no more delegates to free, but it looks like they have not given up the fight.
    http://www.redstate.com/joesquire/2016/08/27/video-ad-air-swing-states-calls-trump-quit/

  • 762×51

    They are Progressives which is why they are backing a Progressive candidate. Their political naivety prevents them from seeing beyond the two sides, R & D of the political ruling class uni-party, aka the Progressive Party. They aren’t smart enough to see that the reason why nothing ever gets any better, regardless of which of these “sides” “wins”, is because the “sides” are identical in every meaningful way. The difference between the two “parties” is velocity, not azimuth.

    Bush 41 v. Dukakis, Progressive v. Progressive.
    Bush 41 v. Clinton, Progressive v. Progressive.
    Dole v. Clinton, Progressive v. Progressive.
    Bush 43 v. Gore, Progressive v. Progressive.
    Bush 43 v. Kerry. Progressive v. Progressive.
    McCain v. Obama, Progressive v. Progressive.
    Romney v. Obama, Progressive v. Progressive.
    tRump v. Clinton, Progressive v. Progressive.

    Enough with the dirtball Progressives! If I wanted to vote for a dirty Progressive, I’d be a Democrat.

  • kirklesworthLosesTheElection

    No stupid, he realizes that you picked the only scumbag in the country who couldn’t beat a criminal like Hillary Clinton. YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE! interesting . . .

  • 762×51

    You cannot reason with JerkoffsWorth, it is only here to agitate for tRump, that is all. It intends to force you to its will of voting foe tRump, or else. It is like a bot, but with less personality.

  • 762×51

    That’s it. That is as far as JerkoffsWorth has thought through this election. Now watch as it accuses you of being a Hillary enabler, when the real Hillary enablers are the tools who forced tRump on everyone else, just as it is trying to do here, now.

  • kirklesworthTrumpFascist

    You are the Progressive enemy, pushing your Progressive candidate on everyone who isn’t interested in him, so yes, that is a reasonable strategy.

  • JerkoffsworthNazi

    Blaming everyone else for your mistake, like good little Progressive Nazi.

    Aren’t you late for your goose-stepping class? You are the instructor, after all.

  • J.j. Cintia

    How’s this for puerile? Your boy Cruz is losing to Rick Perry and is hated and despised in the US Senate already. It looks like he’s on his way back to Canada. Maybe he can join Trudeau’s government?

  • 762×51

    One has to wonder how Cruz would have fared with an extra $2B in free press like tRump got. The media pushed tRump on us, just like they did McCain, Rooney, etc.

    You cannot reason with these Alex Jones imbeciles like JerkoffsWorth

  • 762×51

    Nearly all of which were Democrats who voted in the Republican primaries. Unless you believe they were crossing party affiliation to vote for Cruz?

    You ass clowns, the media and the Democrats are the ones who selected tRump, enjoy.

  • 762×51

    “Trump isn’t using the left’s tools against them he is one of them.”

    tRump is indeed a left tool.

  • kirklesProfessionalLiaR

    He PAID FOR ACCESS, that’s CORRUPTION, you fucking twit.

    But you call it “business” except 99.999% of business in America do not pay into political corruption. How convenient for you.

    Chcikenshit asshole.

  • 762×51

    Did you see this?
    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/upshot/presidential-polls-forecast.html?_r=0

    Try going in and playing with the scenarios. If there were an earthquake that caused the East and West coasts to drop into their respective oceans on Nov. 7th, tRump has a chance, otherwise, he has a snowballs chance. Yet the Trumpanzees refuse to acknowledge reality. They have doomed us all with their asswipe candidate.

  • 762×51

    As do yours. In fact, yours and jerkoffsdworth have done far more to elect Hillary by choosing such a weak candidate as tRump in the first place.

  • 762×51

    Zombies are zombies, a headshot always solves the problem.

  • 762×51

    Yes, yes he is. He has been stinking up this site daily for almost three months now. All day long, tRump this, tRump that, tRump’s the greatest, tRump can do no wrong, if tRump loses it’s your fault, blah, blah, blah.

    It’s obnoxious and disgusting but it is nauseating.

  • 762×51

    Or a bot. Watch how it repeats over and over again.

  • 762×51

    That’s what we are doing, jerkoffsworth. Fighting against her and her crony capitalist donor, tRump. You?

  • kirklesworthFascistFuck

    “Purity test”. Progressive code for bigotry. What it really is, is principles, of which you have none.

    Progressive, Nazi, fascist fuck that you are.

  • 762×51

    Another Progressive from SAN FRANCISCO, pretending he is a Conservative all the while hating on Conservatives.

    Piss off NOOB troll.

    ROTFLMAO!!

  • 762×51

    Plus Cruz didn’t have $2B in free media coverage like tRumo had. That makes a YUGE difference.

  • Mr. Freemarket

    How gullible are Trump supporters? He says he will deport 11 million illegals. Then he says “oh…maybe not.”
    He says he will build a wall. Then off the record with the NYTimes, says that is a beginning negotiating position.
    As I have pointed out many times, Romney lost because he lost the base. He had overwhelming support from the middle. But he lost anyway.
    I hate to see that mistake repeated.

  • 762×51

    Said the San Francisco Progressive tRump supporter.

  • 762×51

    Yet it does it everyday. Not really a filibuster though, more liek just another fucking Progressive trying to shout down those who disagree with it.

  • Mr. Freemarket

    A kind and merciful Lord would never require us to hear her voice again. He can take George Soros to keep her company.

  • kirklesworthAsshole

    LMAO, you read about it? So the media got that right, just because it was anti-Cruz. You duplicitous asshole.

  • Mr. Freemarket

    If they aren’t awake by now, electing Hillary won’t wake any more of them.

  • 762×51

    Anyone who disagrees with wrinkledick is labeled “delusional”, right out of the Alinsky playbook. That is how a Progressive acknowledges losing the argument. It is also how they set you up for future attacks. It worked for Vladimir Lenin.

  • 762×51

    You have been doing a great job at that wrinkledick.

  • 762×51

    He’s not playing. It really cannot grasp the situation it has created.

  • 762×51

    Is that how you and your butt buddies in San Francisco see it, Progtard?j

  • 762×51

    Being a leftist San Francisco troll, you would be an expert on the subject, of course.

  • 762×51

    Said the Progressive tool who is pushing a Progressive “uni-party” candidate.

    What a fucking tool, you are.

  • 762×51

    And so is your boy about to do as well, Brony Bitch.

    You fucking morons can double and triple down on stupid all you want. The bottom line is, you picked the biggest asshole in America to run against he biggest crook in America and he is losing to her. That is all you fucktards, we had nothing to do with it. Of course a Brony weasel like you and your boyfriend wrinkledick can never take responsibility for your actions, Progressive never do.

  • 762×51

    That’s it, open wide like a good San Francisco dick sucker.

  • 762×51

    Exactly. They own it and are desperate for someone else to blame. Progressives never take responsibility for their actions.

  • Torcer

    The Trumpers should look in the mirror if they want to see who is at fault.

    They need to remember a central tenets of Conservatism.

    We didn’t have Jeb trump attack the judge in the Trump U case.

    We didn’t demure at going after Comrade Clinton.

    We didn’t have him attack people on twitter.

    We didn’t have him go after his own side.

    Those actions were all Jeb trump – he is the one responsible for HIS actions..

  • Torcer

    That’s rich – the Trumper KirklesWorthwho can’t answer questions accusing others of ‘Clever evasion’!

  • Torcer

    It’s amazing how many Trumpers convince themselves that not supporting Jeb Trump somehow equates into supporting Comrade Clinton.

    It’s also amazing how some are arrogantly able to issue blanket statements about the emotional state of people they don’t even know without any proof aside from repeating the charge over and over.

  • Torcer

    Take note that the proggie you are conversing with above has a tendency to avoid answering direct questions lest it reveal too much of it’s underlying principles.

  • Sam

    On what basis? There’s no appreciable difference. Both NY liberals with the same core beliefs, both corrupt to the core, both liars and frauds. #NeverTrump #NeverHillary

  • Sam

    “Options 3-4 would permit a Trump vote not to be cancelled out by a Hillary vote (thus enabling Trump).” Identical logic, identical fallacy. A vote for someone else is a vote for someone else, it benefits neither HRC nor DT.

  • You want some kiss-up to go beg for the favor of the establishment class in Washington, I take it. Forget it dude. You can’t get rid of Ted that easily.

  • FiscalCon

    The really big reason that people should vote for Trump (and I think that Senator Cruz would agree): his veep choice. Pence is an infinitely better candidate. Maybe Trump gets elected (miracle) and then kicks the bucket at the inaugural ball (miracle) and we have a true conservative!

  • 762×51

    tRump and his surrogates actually spend more time, money and effort going after Conservatives than they do going after Hillary. Since she is the one on the ballot, not us, that makes no sense unless you look at who they actually consider their enemy to be, us.

    Conservatives are the true enemy of Progressives, regardless of which “side” of the political ruling class Uni-Party they belong to. That is a fact that is proven here on MB every single day. Which where my conclusion that all Progressives are my enemy comes from. I make no distinction between their ridiculous party affiliation claims, R or D, if they are a Progressive, they are a target. The only difference between the two “parties” is velocity not azimuth, as I have observed before.

    Progressives use specific tactics, they support Progressive causes and candidates which are repugnant to the Constitution. That is the test I apply.

    tRump does not court the Conservative vote because he does not support our principles. That is fine. if he would run as a Democrat which is what he is. But I’ll be damned if I’m going to “become the enemy to defeat the enemy”, that’s not my background or training. We didn’t become hajjis to defeat them, we just killed the bastards. We didn’t become Nazi’s to defeat them, we killed them.

    Fascists are fascists, Nazi, Islamo or Progressive. Same fascism, same disease, same cure. Nothing has changed since 1944, or since 1096(First Crusade). The response to fascism is, and always has been, force of arms. I see nothing different this time and know of no reason why that same solution should not be applied in this instance.

  • 762×51

    True, however, I don’t expect it to answer me. It was mainly a way to describe it for the people who haven’t seen jerklesworthless before.

    I don’t debate Progressives, I am only interested in engaging them in combat.

  • 762×51

    Cruz is hated and despised by the Progressives of both sides of your Progressive uni-party in the Senate?

    Sounds like a great reason to vote for him, not a corruption participant like tRump. Tell Alex Jones I said to fuck off, the time you suck his dick.

  • 762×51

    Brony Tom isn’t gullible, he is a slave in the 8th least free state, Connecitcunt. He has no idea what liberty is as he has never experienced it for himself. Most of these Trumpanzees are from Progressive hell holes so a Progressive like tRump looks good to them. Like Sean tRumpity, he is what passes for a “registered Conservative” . . . . in NY, LMAO!

  • True Story

    We tried, the Trump party shut out any rules reforms. Remember?

  • True Story

    Should have fought for a better candidate, now you are stuck with a loser.

  • True Story

    It’s like picking a really terrible foot ball team and when they lose, you blame the fans.

    Grow up and take ownership of your bad choices.

  • True Story

    Constitutionally limited government. You keep asking the same questions and getting the same answers. Getting through your head yet?

  • True Story

    We tried up to the convention. You folded and surrendered to the establishment.

  • True Story

    You are correct. We can fight it and oppose it 24/7. How would that work with Trump?

  • True Story

    Dunno, you are the one stuck between choosing 2 progs.

  • FrozenPatriot

    Why reward their reckless behavior with your vote? What line won’t you cross, or what candidate couldn’t you hold your nose for if not a progressive multiple-bankrupt serial-philander flip-flopping former democrat from New York City?

    If enough people keep plugging their noses and voting republican no matter who the candidate is, we’ll continue to get awful candidates and entrenched, politically bloated parasites in DC.

  • Charles

    What went wrong is that they went for a cult of personality instead of candidates with ideas that’d actually do what Trump’s slogan is: “make America great again!”

  • 762×51

    Progressives ALWAYS fall for the cult of personalty. Trumpers are just Obama Zombies with an R next to their name, BFD.

    Any way you slice it, come Nov., either a NY Progressive will win or a NY Progressive will win,.

  • 762×51

    Could be worse, could be a San Francisco Progressive, like you.

  • True Story

    No, it’s too late to deal with trump. Your lack of enthusiasm for defeating hillary left us with this choice. Thanks a lot.

  • 762×51

    I just flashed back on the Progressive McCain/Palin ticket. A token Conservative VP does not alleviate the stench of Progressive ideology emanating from tRump.

    A Pence / tRump ticket,maybe but we all know how the dictator tRump would run the show. Pass.

  • 762×51

    Progressives never accept responsibility for their actions, R or D makes no difference, a Progressive is a Progressive.

  • True Story

    Where was this compulsion during the primaries. You don’t get to make bad choices and blame others for not supporting said bad choice.

  • 762×51

    Former Democrat? In name only, maybe.

    Enough with the Progressive “Republican” candidates. I won’t vote for a Republican incumbent of any office. Time for a “purge” of the system and restore the Constitution.

  • True Story

    Then “comprehensive plan” is also amnesty. Trump admitted it a few days ago.

  • True Story

    You forget, conveniently that Trump refused to support us first.

  • True Story

    There is more than one Trump?

  • True Story

    Why are you working for Soros?

  • True Story

    I’d pick someone who could win the general. You ruined it for us by choosing the one man that could lose. Thanks, cuck, traitor.

  • True Story

    You enabled hillary by chosing trump. You are the problem.

  • True Story

    You gave us candles. You don’t get to make a choice then blame others for said bad choice. The world doesn’t work that way.

  • True Story

    That’s insane! What a horrible election year. Either way it’s gonna be a rough 4 years.

  • 762×51

    Option 5 – Engage the Progressive enemies of the United States – like you – in close combat, and defeat them.

    Decisions, decisions.

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  • Stosh

    If Chumpkins understood logic, we wouldn’t have Chump as a candidate…

  • Stosh

    Or don’t vote Hillary and get Trump

  • Stosh

    If only it had not come out that Cruz is the Zodiac killer and his father killed JFK. Chump was the one pushing that on his free media ads….

  • Mr. Freemarket

    And yet, Trump is the “best” alternative.

  • bobdog19006

    And the solution to the problem you just defined is what, exactly?

    Cancelling the election and starting over is not one of the choices.

    Here, Dobby. Have a sock.

  • bobdog19006

    I’m Hillary Clinton, and I approve of this message. Vote for MEEEEE!

  • Occam’s Stubble

    You already hate us so why should we care?

  • Occam’s Stubble

    Here’s how we see the choices:

    1. vote for the progressive running as a Republican
    2. vote for the progressive running as a Democrat
    3. vote for the progressive running on a third party ticket
    4. don’t vote

    All options end up with a progressive president. Unless you can demonstrate how we’re wrong on that, it really doesn’t matter how we vote.

  • magic1114

    You’re barking up the wrong tree; Trump was never my choice for the job. I’ve always been partial to Cruz, but what do I know?

  • Torcer

    The proggies that persist in promoting the failed candidacy of Jeb trump will be the ones at fault for what happens in November.

    That includes the effect on the under-ballot races…. but it would seem that is their desired result..

  • Torcer

    Yes, and one of the big problems with that kind of uniformed choice is that without a set of principles a candidate of that type can easily betray them on their signature issue as we saw with immigration.

  • Torcer

    Well, were it to be forthright in it’s conversations with everyone we would see it’s ideological underpinnings.

    It should be clear to all that it cannot reveal what these are.

    Thus it has to deflect when questioned about one of it’s unguarded moments:

    KirklesWorth: There are only two viable candidates and neither of them champion your version of “liberty”.

  • Torcer

    tRump and his surrogates actually spend more time, money and effort going after Conservatives than they do going after Hillary. Since she is the one on the ballot, not us, that makes no sense unless you look at who they actually consider their enemy to be, us.

    Worth repeating.

    Their actions show their underlying motivations.

    Instead of going after the national socialist left they attack us – why?
    They recoil at the thought of the man destined to lose to their favoured would KEEP HIS PROMISE and drop out and at the least unburdening the rest of the GOP ticket.

    They simplistically parrot the 2 candidates mantras neglecting the FACT that the Congress in also in play – why is that also the case?

  • J.j. Cintia

    Yeah because Cruz only needs to kiss up to donors. That Goldman-Sachs connection means nothing right? Even though they are big Hillary supporters. Trump has all the right enemies. The Left, the media, and the GOPe dopes that want moar wars.
    America First was what Reagan campaigned on. Cruz is going back to Canada where he was born. You globalist scum have lost America.

  • man_wolf

    You say wearing your “Make America Great Again” baseball cap.
    Kudos.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/84578455c990bac8b658576129205680ced7a3e393a710f8804e7babff770efe.jpg

  • KirklesWorth

    You should probably stick to your m.o. of loving Torcer’s leg, getting Hillary elected like a good little progressive, and plotting the political extermination of your fellow U.S. citizens like a good little fascist.

  • KirklesWorth

    Oh, right. Those pesky “reforms” that were all of a sudden necessary because the so-called “conservatives” didn’t like Trump. So sad…

  • KirklesWorth

    Right…I am supporting the anti-Hillary candidate. Who are you supporting? Who are you helping get elected?

  • KirklesWorth

    Playing dumb? Suits you.

  • KirklesWorth

    “I” ruined it? Once again, you have proven you don’t know squat other than your anti-Trump hatred. You dare call me “traitor” for fighting against the progressive-liberal-socialist crimina Hillary and for the republican candidate? Who is the traitor in this scenario? You are irrational.

  • KirklesWorth

    Sorry, I thought the ideals of republicans / conservatives is that we vote against the most liberal candidate and for the most conservative candidate (that is viable). Go ahead and vote for Hillary – you certainly work hard enough for her.

  • KirklesWorth

    Right…it was my “lack of enthusiasm for defeating Hillary” that you can blame all of this on. How convenient for you. You say “It’s too late” so you throw up your arms in defeat and help put the final nails in Trump’s political coffin all for the benefit of Hillary. What a “patriot” and “conservative”.

  • KirklesWorth

    Whatever it takes.

  • KirklesWorth

    So your cowardice motivates you to help Hillary. Makes perfect sense for so-called “conservatives” and their “principles”.

  • KirklesWorth

    Why aren’t you taking credit for helping Hillary? You do it so well! And claiming “YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE!” is another ridiculous projecting lie you spout as Torcer’s good little rabid attack dog foaming at the mouth. Just stick to your dreams of political extermination like a good little fascist.

  • KirklesWorth

    Right…”I” was the one who “surrendered”. I think you have demonstrated that you are the surrenderer to Hillary.

  • KirklesWorth

    Funny, I wonder why you want to give up your rights and liberties so that Hillary keeps 11 million illegal aliens, no border enforcement, Importing millions more imigrants and “refugees”, illegal aliens obtaining rights and citizenships, increased gun control, more gun background checks, “assault weapons” ban, softer law enforcement, expanding Obamacare, no school vouchers, green energy debacles, global warming nonsense, offshore drilling banned, Keystone pipeline banned, more “stimulus” spending, increased EPA regulations, higher minimum wage, progressive-liberal-socialist supreme court, etc..

  • KirklesWorth

    You mean questions like “why are you trying three times harder to get Trump defeated than Hillary?” types of questions?

  • KirklesWorth

    Right. I would say #3 and #4 were throwing your votes away, but I thought I would be polite. Otherwise, if you can’t understand the simple logic, you must be emotionally compromised with anti-Trump hatred.

  • KirklesWorth

    Uh-huh. And your “maturity” would permit Hillary to be president and bestow all of her wonderful progressive-liberal-socialism like:

    1. keep 11 million illegal aliens
    2. no border enforcement
    3. Importing millions more imigrants and “refugees”
    3. illegal aliens obtaining rights and citizenships
    4. increased gun control
    5. more gun background checks
    6. “assault weapons” ban
    7. softer law enforcement
    8. expanding Obamacare
    9. no school vouchers
    10. green energy debacles
    11. global warming nonsense
    12. offshore drilling banned
    13. Keystone pipeline banned
    14. more “stimulus” spending
    15. increased EPA regulations
    16. higher minimum wage
    17. progressive-liberal-socialist supreme court

  • KirklesWorth

    Unless you get your way, then we will be stuck with Hillary.

  • KirklesWorth

    Sorry, your political extermination plans place you squarely as the fascist. And your Hillary support places you squarely as the progressive. I at least have the principle to defeat Hillary – which you obviously don’t have.

  • KirklesWorth

    You keep placing the blame at my feet – knock it off. If so-called “conservatives” can’t generate any winners, it’s not the republican’s fault – conservative or moderate. Your my-way-or-the-highway approach would have us lose the third election in a row to a progressive-liberal-socialist criminal. How “conservative” of you.

  • KirklesWorth

    Sounds fine-and-dandy but what about if the merciful Lord decides we should work it out for ourselves?

  • KirklesWorth

    You have as much tact as you do integrity. Torcer wants you to attack Trump and protect Hillary, so obey your master and – if you are good – you can exterminate your political enemies like a good fascist.

  • KirklesWorth

    And how will your “constitutionally limited government” work with Hillary? You keep saying the same thing as though your glorious words will mean something in the real world. Here is the “constitutionally limited government” you will get with Hillary:

    1. keeping 11 million illegal aliens
    2. no border enforcement
    3. Importing millions more imigrants and “refugees”
    3. illegal aliens obtaining rights and citizenships
    4. increased gun control
    5. more gun background checks
    6. “assault weapons” ban
    7. softer law enforcement
    8. expanding Obamacare
    9. no school vouchers
    10. green energy debacles
    11. global warming nonsense
    12. offshore drilling banned
    13. Keystone pipeline banned
    14. more “stimulus” spending
    15. increased EPA regulations
    16. higher minimum wage
    17. progressive-liberal-socialist supreme court

    As someone wise once asked me, “Getting through your head yet?”

  • KirklesWorth

    You are delusional. You don’t know squat about who I chose nor does my anti-Hillary tirades constitute “enabling Hillary” like your attacking Trump does. As someone wise once told me. “You are the problem”.

  • KirklesWorth

    That’s rich coming from the “proggie” who is helping Hillary while avoiding questions like the one I posed here:

    You mean questions like “why are you trying three times harder to get Trump defeated than Hillary?” types of questions? http://moonbattery.com/?p=75575#comment-2864022309

  • KirklesWorth

    Notice how the claim goes unanswered. The most it can come up is the whimsical “a candidate who champions liberty wins”. Hillary champions less liberty than Trump, and yet it attacks Trump three times more than Hillary. So much for its agenda.

  • Occam’s Stubble

    Since Trump flip-flops on everything he says, we will likely get most if not all of that from him, too. He was always planning to let the 11 million come back. He never said how he was going to build a wall or how it would work. He thinks health care and education are federal government responsibilities and everything else is subject to making deals with Democrats. Tell me how it’s going to be different.

  • KirklesWorth

    Right. So what you said absolves so-called conservatives for any blame for a Hillary presidency. How convenient.

    Conservatives bailed on him, so he may as well court the moderates who stated:

    Border Wall: 61% oppose, 36% favor

    41% of republicans want better border security and stronger law enforcement
    12% of republicans want citizenship
    45% of republicans want both

    29% say prioritize citizenship
    24% say better border security
    45% say both

    76% say illegals are as hard working and honest as U.S. Citizens
    67% say illegals are no more likely than citizens to commit serious crimes

    http://www.people-press.org/2016/08/25/on-immigration-policy-partisan-differences-but-also-some-common-ground/

  • KirklesWorth

    Yeah…but hurry up…in November the decision will be made and the political landscape will be quite different.

  • KirklesWorth

    I think we all are, unless you plan to throw away your vote on a third party or not vote. Obvious, isn’t it?

  • KirklesWorth

    Exactly. So why are you enabling that to happen?

  • Mr. Freemarket

    I am too old, my eyesight is too bad, and I live too far away to try and return her to Him. So I must rely upon His tender mercies.

  • True Story

    Pitiful strawman. Grow up, cuck.

    You don’t get to make bad choices and then blame me for the outcome, Trumphumper.

  • What connection, you nut. Tell you what, once we find out what happened to the aliens from Roswell, then I’ll give your crazy conspiracy theories a little more consideration.

  • True Story

    Your anti hillary tirades on an anti hillary website. Real brave.

    It doesn’t matter what you chose before hand. Your endorsement of establishment rinos and the establishment candidate ensures a hillary win. You can’t argue that, you just say you are anti hillary. Vote for Johnson or Stein. They are also not hillary. They are also not as bad as hillary. Vote Castle, or McMullin. Don’t be a cuck and bow to the establishment.

  • J.j. Cintia

    His wife works for Goldman-Sachs. He got a low interest loan from them that he didn’t report until he was caught. Goldman-Sachs is a huge Hillary supporter.

  • KirklesWorth

    Now denigrating my bravery? What about my mama? And your accusations are unfounded and untrue (again): “Your endorsement of establishment rinos and the establishment candidate ensures a hillary win”. Only grasping-for-straws so-called “conservatives” equate Trump support with “ensures a Hillary win”. Ridiculous.

    Sorry, your rigmarole is nowhere near a justification for a Hillary presidency. Johnson, Stein, Castle, McMullin – are all throw-away votes. Sorry if I am a little more pragmatic in my attempt to keep Hillary out rather than do a Ron Paul or Ross Perot vote-splitting move.

  • 762×51

    Jerklesworth’s tirades aren’t anti-Hillary, they are anti-Conservative. We are his enemy because we will not support his Progressive candidate. His fascist ideology demands 100% conformity, anyone who strays from it is to be attacked and destroyed, just like the Progressives in the Democrat party do to anyone who does not march in lock step with them. The two types of Progressives, R and D are all part of the ruling uni-party which is why regardless of which “side” wins, nothing ever changes.

  • KirklesWorth

    Talk about pot and kettle.

  • kirklesworthTheCoward

    You have no bravery to denigrate, I have proven that repeatedly, dirty, sniveling, little, Progressive, fascist coward.

  • KirklesWorth

    Yeah – you “proved” that you would kill me and all of your fellow progressives like a good little fascist and lap dog.

  • Torcer

    Notice how it can’t even address the issued that it broached and has to deflect to false narratives..

  • kirklesworthNearDeath

    As enemies of the United States, that is all you deserve.

    That would be YOUR Fellow Progressives, dumbass. You are the one pushing a Progressive candidate, not me. you clearly have no idea what the words actually mean, consistent with the low intelligence we see from Trumpanzees.

    Another day closer to civil war, jerkoffsworth, “The sun is the same in a relative way but you’re older,
    Shorter of breath and one day closer to death.”

    Soon, pussy, then you will have no where to hide, LMAO!

  • KirklesWorth

    What is false about you working three times more at defeating Trump than Hillary? What about your anti-Trump obsession is a “false narrative”?

    Are you bringing up me schooling you about abortion AGAIN?

  • KirklesWorth

    Let’s see, progressives hate Trump and so do you. Progressives want Hillary and so do you. Progressives want to force their ideology down everybody’s throats and so do you. Progressives support violence for their cause and so do you. Progressives want rights and liberties taken away and so do you. It if looks like a lap dog and barks like a lap dog…

    Why don’t you go back to planning your version of Mao Zedong’s “great leap forward” like a good little fascist.

  • Torcer

    Everyone note that it’s doubtful that it will post proof of this alleged transgression…. aside from repeating the same falsehood over and over….

    Also note that it can’t address it’s previous unguarded assertion aside from it’s deflection onto another subject..

  • KirklesWorth

    Bluffing again? You sure have intestinal fortitude. You refused to deny it over and over until you finally said:

    What is the point in your incessant posting a falsehood and then refusing to back it up?

    And since you finally denied it, I proved your lie:

    There is the denial. Thanks! You lied about “posting a falsehood” and here I am “backing it up”:

    Torcer: “your version of “liberty”? What exactly are you talking about? Are there different versions of Liberty?

    KirklesWorth: Yes. Abortion for one.

    Torcer: What about it?

    KirklesWorth: (Sarcasm) It’s fun! What do you think? It’s currently a liberty.

    Torcer: No, what the devil are you talking about? Answer the question like an adult – IF you can.

    KirklesWorth: I’m sorry, I thought you were the one who posted the definition of liberty at http://moonbattery.com/?p=75389#comment-2848997983 I will post it for you below since you seem to have forgotten it and/or not to understood it. Here’s the ruling on abortion and liberty:

    The Court’s plurality opinion reaffirmed the central holding of Roe v. Wade[1] stating that “matters, involving the most intimate and personal choices a person may make in a lifetime, choices central to personal dignity and autonomy, are central to the liberty protected by the Fourteenth Amendment.

    Definition of liberty …(edited) http://moonbattery.com/?p=75389#comment-2849151236

    Torcer: So are you pro-choice?

    http://moonbattery.com/?p=75428#comment-2858042016

  • That isn’t even remotely close to what happened. Cruz borrowed against his own assets to take out a loan, which he has since paid back, and he did in fact report all of this. Your made up scandal is even worse than your laughable conspiracy theories.

  • KirklesWorth

    Sorry, but I’m more interested in why you do three times more work to defeat Trump than you do for Hillary. If you reap what you sow, you’d get a Hillary presidency. Congratulations!

  • bobdog19006

    So answer the question then.

    Do you have an intelligent alternative? A third party candidate of some sort? From where? Disqualify both candidates somehow?

    This feels like bickering about global warming. It’s a catastrophe just waiting to happen, they say. The “science” is “incontrovertible”. But after all the histrionics, it turns out nobody but nobody knows what the dog is going to do when it finally catches the bus.

    Do you have an answer? Or are you going to sanctimoniously let other people decide who our next president is?

    That’s not defiance. That’s surrender.

  • 762×51

    Progressives don’t hate tRump you blithering idiot. He has backed their causes all of his life, a FACT you conveniently forget.

    Nothing I have ever said or done can even loosely be construed to mean I want Hillary. That is a product of your childish “logic” that “the enemy of my friend is the friend for my enemy”. A ridiculously uneducated line of reasoning common to the tRumptard mentality.

    I have never forced my ideology down anyone’s throat, that would be you and the other Alinsky tRumpers.

    I support violence and will apply it as necessary to oppose your fascism. That is how fascism is defeated.

    Progressives like you and tRump are the ones seeking to limit or eliminate freedom, not me. I’m not running for any office.

    You can make up any bullshit you want, Saul, ascribing your actions to me does not make your fantasy world a reality.

    You are a dirty liar, a coward and a vile little Progressive asshole. Thanks for demonstrating that lies are all you have and that deceit is your only real weapon.

    Go fuck yourself.

  • 762×51

    Talk about asshole Progressive, you and bobdog should get together for one of your wiener rubbing weekends.

  • Occam’s Stubble

    Let’s be clear: Trump said he did not want the support of conservatives. They did not bail on him. It was the other way around.

  • KirklesWorth

    Yes, lets. When did this Trump bail happen?

    Was it before August 9, 2016 from Wadi Gaitan? http://www.dailywire.com/news/8222/florida-gop-spokesman-i-cant-do-trump-im-out-hank-berrien

    Was it before June 25, 2016 from George Will? http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/26/us/politics/george-will-leaves-the-gop-over-donald-trump.html

    Would it be before May 10, 2016 from WSJ editor Bret Stephens? http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/wsj-editor-tells-conservatives-to-abandon-trump-sometimes-losing-is-winning/article/2590876

    Would it be before March 11, 2016 by Jonah Goldberg? http://www.pennlive.com/opinion/2016/03/if_youre_a_conservative_backin.html

    Was it before March 4, 2016 from Ben Shapiro? http://www.dailywire.com/news/3896/shapiro-i-will-never-vote-donald-trump-heres-why-ben-shapiro

    Was it before March 3, 2016 via the Washing Times? http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/mar/3/donald-trump-endorsers-derided-as-sellouts-traitor/

    Was it before February 29, 2016 from FiveThirtyEight? http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/dont-assume-conservatives-will-rally-behind-trump/

    Was it before February 25, 2016 via OurFuture.org? https://ourfuture.org/20160225/the-conservatives-who-would-leave-trumps-party

    Was it before January 21, 2016 from Nation Review’s “Against Trump”? http://www.nationalreview.com/article/430137/donald-trump-conservative-movement-menace

    Was it before this “cheat sheet” published by the Atlantic?
    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/08/where-republicans-stand-on-donald-trump-a-cheat-sheet/481449/

  • KirklesWorth

    How can an attack dog pack so many lies into so few words? Why don’t you ask Torcer if it will let you exterminate all of your political enemies like Hillary and good little fascists do. But be careful not to look in the mirror because you’ll see one of those progressives you are so paranoid about.

  • Mr. Freemarket

    I’m trying to provide Trump and his supporters with hood advice.

  • KirklesWorth

    No you aren’t. You are attempting to sway people from supporting Trump – even while claiming it doesn’t matter. And the purpose of this anti-Trump sabotage is…?

  • Mr. Freemarket

    The thing that convinces me to vote for Trump is seeing or listening to Hillary.

    She is unfit for any public office.

  • True Story

    Retake the culture. This election will change nothing in our favor. You believe voting every four years is your “vietnam”. Maybe it is, for you.

    My “vietnam” is seeing conservatives ridiculed in movies. I see sex on PG programs, I see commercials engaging in double speak and group think. I hear songs in the radio glorifying destructive tendencies. I see thugs rioting in the streets to prevent police from interfering with their little slice of the criminal enterprise.

    I see college campuses stamp out free speech with a flick of the wrist. I hear lies blasted over the airwaves about taxes, sexual orientation, racial differences, etc.

    We need to retake our culture with bold creations. We need artists, filmmakers, journalists, photographers, authors, business owners, parents etc. to teach individual responsibility, the value of work, what “fair” actually means, to represent our values in media, in commercials and radio shows and movies. We need to be as aggressive as the progressives are in pushing our values into the mainstream, and we MUST base it on the constitution, instead of always playing defense.

    Trump will hinder this effort, with his courting of white supremacists, reactionary isolationists, and conspiracy theorists.

  • True Story

    Trump and Hillary?

  • True Story

    You are kinda dense, aren’t you? You are unaware that Ryan, McCain and Ayotte all were endorsed by Trump? And you are endorsing him. Trump is jeb bush with orange hair. Trump is Kasich that takes smaller bites. Trump is hillary with small …hands. You seem to think if I don’t vote, Hillary gets a free vote, or something. It doesn’t work that way.

    I’m not justifying anything, YOU are. You are attempting to shame me into voting for Trump to stop Hillary even tho NEITHER serve my principles, which is constitutionally limited government. You claim Hillary will be worse, although to quote you “You have absolutely zero knowledge” of this. You ASSUME it’s true based on…something. Maybe you hate women? Or is it old women? In any case, being pragmatic means holding your parties feet to the fire. If you REALLY wanted to beat Hillary, and I mean REALLY WANTED TO BEAT HER, you should have supported free the delegates. I did.

  • True Story

    Yes, it’s obvious. I don’t elect progs. I just can’t do it. I know you think hillary is bad, and I agree, I just don’t think Trump is better. But keep in mind, we survived 8 years of Obama, and we didn’t fade away. We will survive, and not only that but perhaps there will be a public appetite for some governmental trimming in 2020.

  • True Story

    That’s quite a list. Good thing I’m not voting for her, huh?

  • True Story

    Oh, this must be what you meant when you said pot, kettle.

    “You keep placing the blame at my feet – knock it off.”

    ” Your my-way-or-the-highway approach would have us lose the third election in a row to a progressive-liberal-socialist criminal.”

    So Trump bears NO responsibility for his campaign? Are you proud to support Trump?

  • True Story

    Sigh.

    I don’t fight against anyone. I don’t play defense. I fight FOR my values and principles. How else do you hope to change anything? You really think voting every four years and watching Fox is going to do anything other than disappoint? You WILL be disappointed in Trump, if you aren’t already, and you WILL be disappointed by Hillary, as you should be already.
    I know it’s a shitty choice and I applaud your enthusiasm. Wouldn’t your arguments, though, be best served in a hostile forum, like Huffpo or some such?

  • True Story

    What if there were 30 “Green Eggs and Ham” up there, would that have been impressive? I think so. But it takes principle and backbone to do things like that. And it takes organization, public support and a platform to vote FOR that gets those people elected. I WISH Trump was one of those. I really really do.

  • KirklesWorth

    You should be the one on the defensive explaining your party disloyalty and general Hillary-enabling. How proud of that are you?

  • KirklesWorth

    But yet you are helping her by attacking the only viable candidate that could defeat her, so it’s more like half credit.

  • KirklesWorth

    Oh, but someone will become president – your “prog” opinion or not. If you think 8 years of Obama was survivable, then you shouldn’t have any problem voting for Trump who is to the right of him as opposed to Hillary who is either the same or farther left. If you let Hillary become president, good luck getting your conservative candidate elected after the inrush of millions of illegal democrats.

  • KirklesWorth

    I don’t fight against anyone. I don’t play defense. I fight FOR my values and principles.

    A distinction without a difference – except you aren’t “fighting” to “conserve” the rights and liberties Trump represents that Hillary would dispose of. No need to question my motives and integrity – unlike you, I am fighting for the republican candidate on a supposedly “conservative” website that would surrender rights and liberties to Hillary without a fight.

  • KirklesWorth

    Irrational. Trump and Hillary are nowhere near equivalent.

  • KirklesWorth

    Now calling me “dense”? Are you unaware of the rights and liberties Hillary would destroy? You obviously don’t or don’t care – so spare me your lectures.

    Who is “shaming” who? You are trying to shame Trump-supporters into apathy (or worse) – so again, spare me your hypocritical lectures.

    If you REALLY wanted to beat Hillary, and I mean REALLY WANTED TO BEAT HER, you should have supported free the delegates.

    Bull. YOU should have produced a better conservative candidate.

    Maybe you hate women? Or is it old women? In any case, being pragmatic means holding your parties feet to the fire.

    Spare me your speculation about how I feel about things – you don’t know squat about me. You aren’t being “pragmatic” at all – you are being ideological…I am the one being pragmatic.

    You claim Hillary will be worse, although to quote you “You have absolutely zero knowledge” of this.

    Are you freakin’ kidding me?

  • bobdog19006

    I agree with many of the problems you cited.

    But to return to the question at hand: We have an election coming up in November. What do you propose we do about choosing our next president?

  • KirklesWorth

    You’ve got a lot of ground to cover before November, because if Hillary gets elected, you won’t get what you fantasize about.

  • You are so crazy dude. It was reported, and you conspiracy loons made a big stink about nothing at all.

  • True Story

    Attempting to predict the future is unconstructive.

  • True Story

    I propose to vote your conscience.

    After that, I suggest, after Hillary wins, the Republicans pound her like a drum. Do what we can to get a veto proof majority. Pass government limiting legislation. A slew of it. Confirm NO Justices. 4-4 means gridlock and stability. Shut down non essential government, if necessary. If this is the end of the world, go for broke, amirite?

    But of course, this all takes principled conservatives, which I’m not sure many of you are, and may be an endangered species altogether. Look how Cruz was vilified by Trump supporters.

  • True Story

    He’s flip flopping before your very eyes dude. If that doesn’t mean anything to you, then good luck with Hillary. Hopefully she doesn’t get a landslide.

  • True Story

    Sorry I’m listening to Trump flip.

  • True Story

    How can you be sure global businessman and everybody’s friend really means what he says? Maybe he is just YOUR friend today, but not tomorrow. Do you know? Do you care?

  • True Story

    I can’t stop her. Besides, that’s Trumps job, isn’t it? He’s not doing that great right now.

  • True Story

    He COULD defeat her, but he isn’t.

  • True Story

    Party over principles, amirite?

  • KirklesWorth

    You let uncertainty and suspicion rule your life? Why are you trying to put me on the defensive or supporting the republican candidate and working against Hillary? You should be the one explaining why you are helping Hillary against someone who is trying to stop her.

  • KirklesWorth

    Sorry, you don’t get to have it both ways. You are the one championing Hillary in this scenario – and she’s not “flip flopping” on her progressive-liberal-socialist agenda, so you can spare me your faux indignation.

  • KirklesWorth

    That commend was unconstructive. You are going to get Trump or Hillary, and you seem to be working against Trump.

  • KirklesWorth

    Obviously you’re not listening to Hillary stand firm on her progressive-socialist-liberal agenda. Just keep whittling away at Trump to get Hillary as president since you are more willing to take your chances with her than him via your self-admitted unlikely pipe dream of:

    After that, I suggest, after Hillary wins, the Republicans pound her like a drum. Do what we can to get a veto proof majority. Pass government limiting legislation. A slew of it. Confirm NO Justices. 4-4 means gridlock and stability. Shut down non essential government, if necessary. If this is the end of the world, go for broke, amirite? http://moonbattery.com/?p=75575#comment-2866716404

  • KirklesWorth

    You “can’t stop her” and fighting Hillary is “Trump’s job” – yet you are here attacking Trump. You are good at telling other people what they should do while you claim impotence and yet have the so-called “conscience” to insult Trump. The true story here seems to be your desire for Hillary to be president.

  • KirklesWorth

    LIberties and freedoms over progressive-liberal-socialism. Savvy?

  • KirklesWorth

    Not with people like you helping Hillary.

  • KirklesWorth

    But at least you are doing your best to see that he is defeated.

  • True Story

    And I think you are helping hillary by supporting someone with 62% unfavorables.

  • True Story

    Trump is a pretty progressive guy. He let Bruce use the ladies room.

  • True Story

    “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.”

    Dear God, you’ve joined the progressives!

  • True Story

    So you are claiming Trump or Bust? I don’t see it that way. Check out Tim Alberta’s piece at NRO. It’s a good read.

  • True Story

    I’m just telling the truth, which you seem to have an issue with.

    You seem to be ok with Trump undermining other republicans campaigns, but take offense at my rather inconsequential postings of my ruminations.

    Once again, if Cruz was the nominee, I certainly wouldn’t be sitting here trying to convince a Trump supporter who wasn’t going to vote. I would be out campaigning for him. I would also post your type of comments on websites that have persuadable moderates to vote. You really are wasting your time here, with all due respect.

  • True Story

    Hah! That’s funny.
    I’m putting you on the defensive only because you compromised your principles. You think it’s the end of the world, I think it isn’t.

    I have never contributed one penny, second, or good thought to Hillary Clinton, Trump has done all of those. Multiple times.
    Besides, as you claim, I’m voting for Trump by not voting for Hillary.

  • KirklesWorth

    Yeah, that would be something an anti-Trump Hillary-enabler would say without a hint of irony. But do tell…which viable republican would be a better choice?

  • True Story

    There are no republicans running. Why do you keep asking the same exact questions over and over? Check out his Reform Party platform.

  • KirklesWorth

    You are emotionally compromised with anti-Trump hatred. Contrary to your irrational assertion, Trump is a republican and is running as the de facto republican candidate.

    The initial questions and “answers” were:

    KirklesWorth: What “principle” is that? Sacrificing liberties and freedoms to Hillary? Please forgive me if I fight to keep as many liberties and freedoms as possible.

    True Story: Constitutionally limited government. You keep asking the same questions and getting the same answers. Getting through your head yet?

    And how will your “constitutionally limited government” work with Hillary? You keep saying the same thing as though your glorious words will mean something in the real world. (edit)

    And then later I asked:

    Yeah, that would be something an anti-Trump Hillary-enabler would say without a hint of irony. But do tell…which viable republican would be a better choice?

    Your “answers” are subjective at best. You never answered “And how will your “constitutionally limited government” work with Hillary?” and “But do tell…which viable republican would be a better choice?”, so I won’t ask them again per your request since you have demonstrated that you have no answers for them.

  • True Story

    You are obviously confusing yourself. The RNC chose Hillary, and you are rewarding them with your vote. Simple as that. Be a cuck if you want, but I don’t give my vote for free.

  • KirklesWorth

    What a ridiculous twist of so-called “logic”. Go ahead and help Hillary win – but keep your “cuck” to yourself.

  • True Story

    Maybe, but not as twisted as voting for evil. If Hillary wins, are you gonna cry about it for 4 years, or are you going to make sure the RNC doesn’t take you for granted again?

  • KirklesWorth

    Sorry but I don’t put “conservative purity” over what’s best for the country considering the circumstances. Who is in need of learning the lessons of the past two elections going to democrats? If Hillary wins and opens the borders to millions more illegal democrats, there won’t be much of an RNC that will be able to take us for granted anyway.

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