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Aug 27 2016

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Via Sal Mayweather.



  • Torcer

    VIDEO: Ad to Air in Swing States Calls on Trump to Quit
    Anti-Trump Republicans have put together an ad campaign calling on Donald Trump to keep his promise and quit the campaign. The promise they’re referring to? One from the primaries, in which Trump himself said that if he saw his poll numbers decline, he’d quit the race.
    https://youtu.be/y3qRar5UKHk
    According to Politico, the ad buy is in key swing states – ones where Trump is already fighting for the life of his candidacy for president.

    The Free the Delegates movement, despite what both the RNC and the Trump campaign told us, seems to still be alive. There are no more delegates to free, but it looks like they have not given up the fight.
    http://www.redstate.com/joesquire/2016/08/27/video-ad-air-swing-states-calls-trump-quit/

  • Torcer

    Making Your Rights Impossible to Exercise: Hillary Clinton’s Plan for Guns
    https://youtu.be/SqULH2xY248
    Will Hillary Clinton render the fundamental human right to keep and bear arms for defense impossible to exercise?

    You be the judge.
    http://bearingarms.com/jenn-j/2016/08/27/making-rights-impossible-exercise-hillary-clintons-plan-guns/

  • Torcer

    Bill Clinton Has Been Accused of Rape. So Let’s Focus on Steve Bannon.
    Maybe Steve Bannon did do something. Maybe it was exaggerated as part of a divorce claim. But it happened in the mid-90’s while the husband of a potential future President while he was President did some pretty crappy stuff himself. In fact, Clinton has been accused of rape and to my knowledge Steve Bannon has never been accused of rape. But the media will ignore all that.

    teve Bannon is not running for President. If he is exposed in Wikileaks as helping foreign tyrants, perhaps it’ll be relevant. But his mid-90’s divorce is a dumb thing to push out against him.
    http://theresurgent.com/bill-clinton-has-been-accused-of-rape-so-lets-focus-on-steve-bannon/

  • Deborahrblanford2

    Google is paying 97$ per hour! Work for few hours and have longer with friends & family! !iw772t:
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    !iw772t:
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  • Mr. Freemarket

    Looking at that photo of Hillary makes me wonder whether I am looking at CGI or hours spent both in the make-up room, as well as hours of work by air-brushing artists?

  • Mr. Freemarket

    Unfortunately it is too late to come up with an alternative for Trump.
    Maybe Hillary’s poor health is so bad that she won’t last until November.

  • Mr. Freemarket

    If raising the minimum wage is good for the economy, why shouldn’t all countries raise their minimum wage? In fact, shouldn’t the minimum wage in the US be at least $1000 per hour?

  • Saxon Warrior

    No, that’s wrong. It should be $1,000 per hour for White people but Black people, lesbians and transgenders should receive $2,000 per hour because they suffer from oppression, right?

    In fact, let’s just go all the way. Everybody regardless of color, creed, gender or sexuality should be given $10,000,000 each. That way, everybody will be wealthy multimillionaires.
    It’s easy – the government can just print lots more money and post checks by mail to every citizen. It’s such a simple idea.
    No more poverty!
    The only reason that Conservative governments have never done this is because they are greedy, and they only want privileged White males to be wealthy and everybody else to be poor.
    Vote for me and when I become POTUS I will give money to everybody.
    I’m great. Vote for me.
    I’m smart and I’m morally superior to all of you.

    No more poverty, no more wars. Let’s ban guns and nobody will kill anybody anymore. World peace is achievable if we all just hold hands.

    No more terrorism if we all hug a member of ISIS.

    Print more money and eradicate World poverty.

    Let’s stop being racist, homophobic, transphobic fascists!

  • Tom

    So when did he make these statements? In the early days of the primaries?

    Yep, here it is…from October of last year:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-polls_us_5611856fe4b07681270265d5

    This only serves to make you anti-Trumpers seem more desperate and dishonest, and it – again – proves my point that you grimly seize upon a past statement and, if Trump varies in any way at any time from what he said earlier, you get hysterical.

    I swear it’s like you folks have never paid any attention at all to how campaigns work before last year.

  • seaoh

    AMAZING THE EDUCATION YOU CAN GET FOR JUST $50,000 A YEAR

  • KHarn

    I’d LOVE to se the donkeys go crawling to Sanders, begging him to run.

  • NotKennedy

    Spoken as the voice of Hillary’s alt-right.

  • NotKennedy

    The libs would vote for her, postmortem, on the veracity that Bill could could stand in her stead–not that he is looking any too vital, himself.

    Meanwhile, the national idiot, J’Obiden , is sitting back on his haunches, praying as fervently for Hillary’s timely demise, as the rest of us.

  • Torcer

    Society’s Disconnect When it Comes to Gun Sense
    Through this recent tragedy and in all the other drownings in our area, no one has ever suggested that we ban water sports or closed down the Great Lakes. We haven’t formed community action groups to create swim-free zones. Instead, we’ve done the responsible thing: We’ve invested time, money and energy into equipping our children to safely handle the water. And why not? Water sports can be great fun. Swimming is great exercise and our abundance of water in Michigan is one of the things that makes our state great.

    Watch Billy Johnson outline society’s disconnect when it comes to gun sense:
    https://youtu.be/_18MmtXQyHY

  • Torcer

    Here we see as yet another parallel between Jeb trump and the leftists – apparently their statements have exportation dates.

    Jeb trump’s stance on immigration – That depends on when he said it and whether he’s ‘softening’ or ‘hardening’ at the moment.

    Jeb trump’s stance on taxation – subject to change.

  • Torcer

    Perhaps this is so, but at least without him weighing down the ticket we could have a chance at keeping hold of Congress as a check on the national socialist left.

  • Predictable (indeed, predicted) failure of obamacare:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/health-care-exchange-sign-ups-fall-far-short-of-forecasts/2016/08/27/3d93f602-6895-11e6-99bf-f0cf3a6449a6_story.html

    Health-care exchange sign-ups fall far short of forecasts

    Enrollment in the insurance exchanges for President Obama’s signature health-care law is at less than half the initial forecast, pushing several major insurance companies to stop offering health plans in certain markets because of significant financial losses.

    As a result, the administration’s promise of a menu of health-plan choices has been replaced by a grim, though preliminary, forecast: Next year, more than 1 in 4 counties are at risk of having a single insurer on its exchange, said Cynthia Cox, who studies health reform for the Kaiser Family Foundation.

    Debate over how perilous the predicament is for the Affordable Care Act, commonly called obamacare, is nearly as partisan as the divide over the law itself. But at the root of the problem is this: The success of the law depends fundamentally on the exchanges being profitable for insurers — and that requires more people to sign up.

  • The problem they won’t admit: Too much socialism!

    Global central bankers, stuck at zero, unite in plea for help from governments

    https://ca.news.yahoo.com/global-central-bankers-stuck-zero-unite-plea-help-123135496–business.html

    Central bankers in charge of the vast bulk of the world’s economy delved deep into the weeds of money markets and interest rates over a three-day conference here, and emerged with a common plea to their colleagues in the rest of government: please help.

    Mired in a world of low growth, low inflation and low interest rates, officials from the Federal Reserve, Bank of Japan and the European Central Bank said their efforts to bolster the economy through monetary policy may falter unless elected leaders stepped forward with bold measures. These would range from immigration reform in Japan to structural changes to boost productivity and growth in the U.S. and Europe.

    Without that, they said, it would be hard to convince markets and households that things will get better, and encourage the shift in mood many economists feel are needed to improve economic performance worldwide. During a Saturday session at the symposium, such a slump in expectations about inflation and about other aspects of the economy was cited as a central problem complicating central banks’ efforts to reach inflation targets and dimming prospects in Japan and Europe.

    ECB executive board member Benoit Coeure said the bank was working hard to prevent public expectations about inflation from becoming entrenched “on either side” – neither too high nor too low. But the slow pace of economic reform among European governments, he said, was damaging the effort.

    “What we have seen since 2007 is half-baked and half-hearted structural reforms. That does not help supporting inflation expectations. That has helped entertain disinflationary expectations,” Coeure said.

  • And their answers are most likely wrong:

    As Fed nears rate hikes, policymakers plan for ‘brave new world’

    https://ca.news.yahoo.com/fed-nears-rate-hikes-policymakers-plan-brave-world-005117150–business.html

    Federal Reserve policymakers are signaling they could raise U.S. interest rates soon but they are already weighing new tools they may need to fight the next recession.

    A solid U.S. labor market “has strengthened” the case for the first rate increase since last December, Fed Chair Janet Yellen told a central banking conference in Jackson Hole, Wyoming. Several of her colleagues said the increase could come as soon as next month if the economy does well.

    Further rate hikes are expected to be few and far between as the U.S. central bank tries to balance a desire to fuel growth against worries it could overheat the economy.

    But Fed officials at three-day conference that ended Saturday also said they need to consider new policy tools for use down the road, such as raising the inflation target or even Fed purchases of non-government-backed assets like corporate debt.

    Such ideas would test the limits of political feasibility and some would need congressional approval. The view within the Fed is that it could take effort to win over a public already skeptical of the unconventional policies the Fed undertook during the last crisis.

    Policymakers think new tools might be needed in an era of slower economic growth and a potentially giant and long-lasting trove of assets held by the Fed. And they are convinced the time to vet them is now, while rates look to be heading up.

    “Central banking is in a brave new world,” Atlanta Fed President Dennis Lockhart said in an interview on the sidelines of the conference.

    At the center of the Fed’s discussions is its $4.5 trillion balance sheet, built up by bond-buying sprees to combat the 2007-09 recession but which has been criticized by many lawmakers.

  • PREDICTABLE:

    Obama pays ransom to Iran:

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/little-precedent-for-400-million-cash-payment-to-iran-say-legal-experts/

    No other transaction in US history has involved a planeload of bills, say diplomatic historians, raising questions about payment timed to help free prisoners

    Iran takes more hostages:

    https://ca.news.yahoo.com/iran-arrests-nuclear-negotiator-suspected-spying-124405769.html

    Iran has arrested a member of the negotiating team that reached a landmark nuclear deal with world powers on suspicion of spying, a judiciary spokesman said on Sunday.

    Tehran’s prosecutor general on Aug. 16 announced the arrest of a dual national he said was linked to British intelligence, but made no mention of the person being in the nuclear negotiations team. On Sunday, Ejei did not explicitly confirm that the arrested person had a second nationality.

    (In this case, they’ve apparently released the individual from captivity but may not be allowing the person, who is unidentified as yet, to leave the country.)

  • Anti-American – he’s free to leave ANY TIME!

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000691077/article/colin-kaepernick-explains-protest-of-national-anthem

    I’m boycotting the 49ers until they fire him or until he formally apologizes for this. Most of those “blacks and minorities” who are killed are killed by their own – the very blacks and minorities who he says are oppressed.

    San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick has willingly immersed himself into controversy by refusing to stand for the playing of the national anthem in protest of what he deems are wrongdoings against African Americans and minorities in the United States.

    His latest refusal to stand for the anthem — he has done this in at least one other preseason game — came before the 49ers’ preseason loss to Green Bay at Levi’s Stadium on Friday night.

    “I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color,” Kaepernick told NFL Media in an exclusive interview after the game. “To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder.”

    By taking a stand for civil rights, Kaepernick, 28, joins other athletes, like the NBA’s Dwyane Wade, Chris Paul, LeBron James and Carmelo Anthony and several WNBA players in using their platform and status to raise awareness to issues affecting minorities in the U.S.

    However, refusal to support the American flag as a means to take a stand has brought incredible backlash before and likely will in this instance. The NBA’s Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf of the Denver Nuggets, formerly Chris Jackson before converting to Islam, refused to acknowledge the flag in protest, citing similar reasons as Kaepernick and saying that it conflicted with some of his Islamic beliefs.

    Abdul-Rauf drew the ire of fans and was briefly suspended by the NBA before a compromise was worked out between the league and player, who eventually stood with his teammates and coaches at the playing of the national anthem.

  • Obama importing terrorists:

    http://bigstory.ap.org/article/2228095fa4b643228529e544f611ea0b/10000th-syrian-reaches-us-week-resettlement-program

    10,000th Syrian reaches US this week in resettlement program

    The U.S. will reach its target this week of taking in 10,000 Syrian war refugees in a year-old resettlement program, the U.S. ambassador to Jordan said Sunday, after meeting families headed to California and Virginia.

    The resettlement program has emerged as an issue in the U.S. presidential campaign, with Republican nominee Donald Trump alleging displaced Syrians pose a potential security threat.

    OK so we reached the goal – now can we shut off the flow?

  • Clinton’s plan raises Obama’s folly by 2 orders of magnitude – Obama only promised 10,000 Syrians:

    http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/08/26/immigration-expert-u-s-resettle-nearly-one-million-muslim-migrants-one-term-clinton-presidency/

    U.S. to Resettle Nearly One Million Muslim Migrants Under One Term of Clinton Presidency

    The U.S. could resettle nearly one million immigrants from the Muslim world under one term of a Hillary Clinton presidency, according to projections from Center for Immigration Studies’ Steve Camarota.
    Camarota explained that this large expansion in Muslim migration would be part of a massive increase in overall immigration, which the U.S. could experience under a President Hillary Clinton. Camarota noted that Clinton could potentially add as many as 10 million new immigrants to the U.S. during her first term alone, on top of the millions of illegal immigrants to whom she would grant immediate amnesty.

    Camarota’s analysis is based on recent data from the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and the Census Bureau.

  • PBS censorship.

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/08/wow-pbs-chopped-green-party-nominee-jill-steins-criticism-hillary-video/

    PBS Chopped Out Green Party Nominee Jill Stein’s Criticism of Hillary!

    Jill Stein’s criticism of the TPP and Hillary Clinton was cut from the PBS Newshour August 23, 2016.

    PBS cut out nearly two-thirds of Jill Steins answer to the last question!

    Now the far left knows how conservatives feel on a daily basis!

    FACEBOOK TOO!

    http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/08/27/facebook-censors-video-exposing-pbs-cutting-hillarytpp-criticism-jill-stein-interview/

    Facebook Censors Video Exposing PBS Cutting Hillary/TPP Criticism From Jill Stein Interview

    Facebook is censoring a video created by Green candidate Dr. Jill Stein supporter Matt Orfalea that exposes PBS Newshour cutting Stein’s criticism of Hillary Clinton, the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), and Obamacare.
    Breitbart News reported on the Orfalea’s video exposing the Hillary bias and now it appears Facebook is censoring the exposure of censorship. Orfalea told Breitbart News: “It’s insane.”

  • http://www.azfamily.com/story/32853306/low-tide-reveals-new-border-crossing-into-texas

    Low tide reveals new border crossing into Texas

    A low tide has revealed a new border crossing into Texas.

    This week, the low tide near the mouth of the Rio Grande in Texas showed a sandbar connecting Mexico and the U.S. That’s a walkway in the water between the two countries.

    The low tide is expected to last for several days. The water is six to 10 inches lower than normal.

  • I still don’t hear any calls for stricter knife control…

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/germany-stabbing-knifeman-shouts-allahu-8722043

    Knifeman ‘shouts Allahu Akbar’ as he attacks couple at music festival leaving wife fighting for life.

    The two victims – a 66-year-old woman and a 57-year-old man – were attacked but managed to overpower the man who was then arrested by police in Oberhausen. German police officers arrested the suspect after he was overpowered by one of the victims

    Police officers say the suspect is a 26-year-old (immigrant?) from Duisburg, Germany.

    The phrase “Allahu Akbar” means “God is Great” and has been chanted by Islamic terrorists during attacks.

    The country has been on high alert after a man hacked at passengers on board a train close to Wurzburg in southern Germany.

    The attacker, 17-year-old Afghan refugee shouting “Allahu Akbar” while storming the train, was shot dead by police.

    18 were injured, while the axeman severely wounded four.

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/failed-suicide-bomber-carrying-isis-8721643

    Failed suicide bomber carrying ‘ISIS flag’ knifes Catholic priest before trying to blow himself up in terror attack

    A Catholic priest has been stabbed while holding a Sunday service by an ISIS-inspired knifeman who then tried to set off an explosive device but failed.

  • Torcer

    Tom So when did he make these statements? In the early days of the primaries?

    Yep, here it is…from October of last year:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-polls_us_5611856fe4b07681270265d5

    So do Trump’s promises have exportation dates?

    Tom This only serves to make you anti-Trumpers seem more desperate and dishonest, and it – again – proves my point that you grimly seize upon a past statement and, if Trump varies in any way at any time from what he said earlier, you get hysterical.

    I swear it’s like you folks have never paid any attention at all to how campaigns work before last year.
    http://moonbattery.com/?p=75609#comment-2863591033

    Perhaps it would serve to bolster your credibility were you to cease spewing that of which you have no knowledge.

    Unless you can somehow elucidate how you came having information that is impossible to know.

  • ramrodd

    now how does that work….the Fed prints money and then puts it
    on the tab of US citizens!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • ramrodd

    Dear NRA…..

    STOP “negotiating” excuses to INFRINGE on OUR RIGHTS.

    If there must be background checks, let’s try this idea…

    Are there any ‘legislators’ that are interested in a CONSTITUTIONAL
    BACKGROUND CHECK?

    Since SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED means exactly that..

    Let’s try a “Background Check” that DOES NOT INFRINGE on anybodies
    RIGHTS…

    A FULL, IN DEPTH background check for ALL Politicians, Bureaucrats, and ALL government employees, and set MINIMAL INTELLIGENCE,
    JOB SKILLS AND CHARACTER QUALITIES that must be met before they can run for office, be appointed of hired.

    That way, WE, THE PEOPLE, get a much better class of politicians and
    bureaucrats, as well as EMPLOYEES that can be trained to do the jobs
    they are being hired for.

    Any bets on how hard the political class will fight to prevent it?

    THAT would be a Background Check that nearly ALL AMERICAN CITIZENS will support.and I don’t much care if the illegals and their sycophants don’t
    like the idea.

  • Of more concern is the Obama era policy of the government buying it’s own debt since the world market won’t take any more of it.

  • Mr. Freemarket

    Just like they have stopped Obama in his tracks.

  • Mr. Freemarket

    They would crawl to Lizzie.

  • Mr. Freemarket

    You’ve bought my vote.

  • ramrodd

    WHAT ARE YOUR SOURCES?

    Bush piled 5 trillion on to the debt!

  • Tom

    What is this mysterious and esoteric knowledge of which you speak? The “General Election Campaign”! OMG…I’ve never HEARD of anything like that! You mean that candidates from both parties tend to “move towards the middle” in the general campaign, as opposed to the primaries?
    Oh…my…GOD! How can this happen!?

    “Exportation dates”? Is that another British-ism? Like an “expiration date”?

    “…of which you have no knowledge.” Again, LOL! You and your fellow-travelers are the ones who are apparently dumbstruck and hysterical about something which is recognized as the norm in campaigns…The GOP ALWAYS runs to the RIGHT of center, and the Dems ALWAYS run left of center during the primaries. Then to broaden their base beyond those who voted in the primaries, the GOP usually tacks BACK toward the center, from the right side and the Dems tack BACK toward the center from the left side.
    This is apparently a stunning revelation to you but it’s not to anyone who has paid any attention to presidential politics in, oh, the last 4 decades or so.

  • First, Bush did no such thing. Congress has the sole power of the purse – CONGRESS piled 5 trillion on the debt during the Bush era. It is true that 9/11 caused a need for some of that. Also Bush did push for the prescription drug expansion of medicaid.

    Second, there was no policy of a major purchase of government debt by the government during the Bush years. That was the point of my post – the FACT that, under Obama, the government started purchasing it’s own debt. Not the FACT that the debt increased more under Obama IN JUST THREE YEARS than it did under Bush in 8:

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/national-debt-has-increased-more-under-obama-than-under-bush/

    National Debt has increased more under Obama than under Bush:

    The National Debt has now increased more during President Obama’s three years and two months in office than it did during 8 years of the George W. Bush presidency.

    The Debt rose $4.899 trillion during the two terms of the Bush presidency. It has now gone up $4.939 trillion since President Obama took office.

    The latest posting from the Bureau of Public Debt at the Treasury Department shows the National Debt now stands at $15.566 trillion. It was $10.626 trillion on President Bush’s last day in office, which coincided with President Obama’s first day.

    The National Debt also now exceeds 100% of the nation’s Gross Domestic Product, the total value of goods and services.

    Keep in mind when that article came out… March 19, 2012. It got even worse after that.

    And, of course Obama blamed Bush.

    Here is a more recent accounting:

    January 7, 2015

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/01/07/the-story-behind-obama-and-the-national-debt-in-7-charts/

    Since President Obama took office, the national debt has increased by $7.4 trillion. On January 20, 2009, it stood at $10.6 trillion; on Monday, it was at $18 trillion. That bit of data leapt to the front page of The Drudge Report on Tuesday, linking to an assessment from CNS News.com. The increase, the site’s Terence Jeffrey writes, “is $65,443 per household, $70,985 per full-time worker and $84,266 per full-time private-sector worker.” Grim.

    Before 2009, [the debt] was relatively flat. Then, it exploded — almost entirely in the “held by public” part of the debt.

    The increase in debt in the early years of the Obama administration was a largely a response to the imploding economy — just as the big bulge at the end of the George W. Bush administration (2008) was.

    The economy imploded due to the Democrats getting control of Congress and then also getting the White House and, due to that, doing things that harmed it. The economy looks forward – as the Democrats gained power it reacted. And remember they got power under Bush and that’s when they started doing things that hurt the economy and caused the debt bubble to begin to grow.

    Look at what happened once the Democrats had control of both the White House and Congress in 2009:

    https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/files/2015/01/BO_deficitquarter.png&w=1484

    But here are some figures and I will leave it to you to check them for accuracy – not asking you to take my word on it:

    METHOD 1 DEBT ADDED SINCE OBAMA TOOK OFFICE: On January 20, 2009, when he was sworn in, the debt was $10.626 trillion. Today it’s slightly more than $19 trillion. That’s why most people say Obama added nearly $9 trillion to the debt, more than any other President.

    METHOD 2 SUM TOTAL OF BUDGET DEFICITS FROM OBAMA BUDGETS: When the deficits from the budgets Obama signed (including the additions made to the last Bush budget by Obama’s signature) are added together, President Obama increased the debt by $6.695 trillion.

    Are you an Obama cheerleader?

  • http://liberallogic101.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Subsidies-Inflation-500×710.jpg

    Notice the things that the government subsidizes or gives away are the things that increase the most.

  • JeffersonSpinningInGrave

    On the minimum wage issue, this one works pretty well too.

  • MachenSieAmerikaWiederGrosse

    No more Trumpbart.com?

    No more <a href="https://twitter.com/trumpbart"Trumpbart on twitter either?

  • Torcer

    Well, one could say that at least some opposition is better than none at all… But I dare say that the GOP SHOULD be getting the message loud and clear that knuckling under to charges of racism.. and soon to be Sexism will only see the rest of their base of support leave as well.

  • Torcer

    I say we should demand that of our ‘leaders’ (a term I’m applying loosely)

  • Torcer

    Can you please answer the question:

    Tom So when did he make these statements? In the early days of the primaries?
    Yep, here it is…from October of last year:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-polls_us_5611856fe4b07681270265d5

    So do Trump’s promises have expiration dates?
    Everyone was under the impression that Jeb trump says what he means and means what says.
    And that he wasn’t a politician – so how do you resolve this with his promises?

    Tom What is this mysterious and esoteric knowledge of which you speak?
    http://moonbattery.com/?p=75609#comment-2864028380

    That would the knowledge on which YOU have made YOUR claims in your previous comment.

    Tom This only serves to make you anti-Trumpers seem more desperate and dishonest, and it – again – proves my point that you grimly seize upon a past statement and, if Trump varies in any way at any time from what he said earlier, you get hysterical.

    I swear it’s like you folks have never paid any attention at all to how campaigns work before last year.
    http://moonbattery.com/?p=75609#comment-2863591033

    Perhaps it would serve to bolster your credibility were you to cease spewing that of which you have no knowledge.

    Unless you can somehow elucidate how you came having information that is impossible to know.

  • ramrodd

    you knew exactly what my meaning was and is…Bush term the debt piled up the highest until the Barry years..

    youre still playing the establishment devastation game of dems vs repubs…

  • JeffersonSpinningInGrave

    One could argue that, as a court-appointed lawyer, it was her job to do the best she could for her client. Yeah, it sucks in many ways, but that’s the way it works. Part of the notion that it’s better to err on the side of criminals going free than innocents being convicted.

    Now, her cackling about it later…

  • JeffersonSpinningInGrave

    Ah, but many other countries do not have unions, who are making far more than minimum, but have their wages scale off of minimum.

    I have to laugh at fast food workers protesting for a minimum hike. They will be out of a job, while the teamsters, SEIU, and others who backed them will get raises (and those raises will translate to more money for union bosses and more money in DNC coffers). Yep, the Dems feel your pain.

  • Well to the extent that she’s required to mount an effective defense yes, but as an officer of the court she is required only to see that he receives a fair trial and a proper defense. She is NOT required to attack and defame the victim, NOT required to prevent justice from being done – which is EXACTLY what she did.

  • until the Barry years

    You seem to be missing the main point:

    The amount spent was never my point here, and even you admit that B. Hussein Obama spent more and should admit, even if you do not, that much of that overspending was passed by Democrats who took control of Congress during the last years of Bush’s last term.

    The issue was the fact that, until Obama’s time in office, we did not buy our own debt.

    No, I was NOT unaware of your meaning.

    Yes, due to circumstances, including but not limited to the attacks on 9/11 (not Bush’s fault – one could argue they were Clinton’s fault but I won’t), the medicare prescription drug expansion (a law passed by CONGRESS but encouraged and signed by Bush so it’s fair to blame him) and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan (again mostly the fault of those in charge of those countries but Bush did make the decision as Commander in Chief so some put ALL the blame on him) a lot of money was spent BY CONGRESS, some of it at the urging of Bush, some of it above and beyond what he would have asked for.

    But AGAIN, the amount spent was never my point here. The issue was the fact that, until Obama’s time in office, we did not buy our own debt. This was a dangerous and indeed insane change that occurred under OBAMA.

    And there USED to be a difference between Democrats and Republicans, but if your point is that difference is quickly vanishing, I would tend to agree with you. I blame the current GOP leaders for failing to halt the out of control spending under Obama since they gained control of both houses of Congress. They had a responsibility to us to do that and they failed us. Miserably.

  • For those interested in more of the background of the Taylor case:

    Research reveals that the charge was reduced from the factual forcible rape of a child 12 or under to “fondling of a child 14 or under”.

    Instead of 5 years hard time in prison he should have gotten for that charge, the punishment given at his sentencing amounted to 10 months in the local jail but he was to be released during the day to go work – and thus could victimize other children before reporting in at night to spend the night in jail, plus after 10 months he was able to resume victimizing children 24/7/365.

    Current theory is that pedophiles cannot be cured and do not change. So Hillary’s efforts put a dangerous child molester on the street in less than a year when he should have been locked up for 5.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/hillary-clinton-defended-alleged-rapist-hell-ark-woman-article-1.1838777

    Hillary Clinton defended my rapist, ‘took me through hell’: Ark. woman

    A woman who says she was raped by an Arkansas man in the 1970s now says Hillary Clinton “took her through hell” as the defense attorney for the man charged in the case.

    In an interview with the Daily Beast website posted Friday, the woman charged that Clinton knowingly “lied like a dog” in attacking her credibility while representing the alleged rapist in 1975.

    The woman is now 52 but was just 12 at the time of the attack.

    She told the Daily Beast she would give Clinton a piece of her mind if she met the once and potential future presidential candidate today.

    “I would say, ‘You took a case of mine in ’75, you lied on me… I realize the truth now, the heart of what you’ve done to me,” the website reported.

    “And you are supposed to be for women? You call that for women, what you done to me? And I hear you on tape laughing,” said the woman, whose name was withheld out of privacy concerns.

  • Hillary Clinton: The True Story That Will Terminate Her Presidential Aspirations

    Clinton Helped A Rapist Get Away With Child Rape And Then Laughed About It

    http://themillenniumreport.com/2016/08/hillary-clinton-the-true-story-that-will-terminate-her-presidential-aspirations/

    Hillary Clinton laughs about helping accused child rapist Thomas Alfred Taylor walk free in the 1970s

    http://www.news.com.au/world/hillary-clinton-laughs-about-helping-accused-child-rapist-thomas-alfred-taylor-walk-free-in-the-1970s-in-old-audio-interview/story-fndir2ev-1226956750920

    ‘I never trusted a polygraph again’: Hillary Clinton LAUGHS in 30-year-old interview as she recalls how she helped a suspected child rapist walk free after the prosecution lost crucial evidence
    Hillary Clinton defended Thomas Alfred Taylor, 41, in 1975 in Fayettville, Arkansas
    Then aged 27, Clinton found a loophole in the prosecution case and Taylor walked free
    Newly unearthed audio interview from the early 1980s has Clinton discussing the case with Arkansas journalist
    Recordings throw into question Clinton’s claim to be a champion of women and children’s causes

    In a newly unearthed audio interview Hillary Clinton reveals how she managed to get a plea bargain for a man accused of raping a 12-year-old girl – and shockingly laughs as she indicated she knew he may have been guilty.

    During the course of the conversation which dates from the early 1980s, Clinton, then 27, outlines how she used a mistake by the prosecution to get 41-year-old Thomas Alfred Taylor to walk free.

    Indeed, so cavalier is her attitude to securing the freedom of a man suspected of raping a child that the shocking and candid interview may tarnish her role as an advocate for women and children in the United States.

    The recordings which date from 1983-1987 were discovered by the Washington Free Beacon and are of Clinton recalling her role in the most important criminal case of her career.

    In 2008 at the height of her primary battle with Barack Obama, a Newsday story focused on Clinton’s deeply controversial strategy of attacking the credibility of the girl.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2658801/I-never-trusted-polygraph-Hillary-Clinton-LAUGHS-recalls-helped-suspected-child-rapist-walk-free-prosecution-lost-crucial-evidence.html

  • Even far left sources – which I rarely refer to or link for multiple reasons – are posting this against her. Normally I say “check out the link” but since I don’t like to drive traffic to left wing sites I’m going to ask that you read it here, don’t go there:

    FROM THE DAILY KOS, which referred to this link:

    http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/ny-usark245589997feb24,0,2458397,full.story

    Here is what KOS had to say about that story:

    In a breathtaking story published today in Newsday, details of Hillary Clinton’s involvement in a decades-old rape case in Arkansas comes under close scrutiny.

    It is really worth reading the whole well-sourced article, but here is the upshot:

    Two years into her career of making change and having Day One-readying experience, 27 year old Hillary Rodham was appointed a public defender in a rape case, and played out deep in the gray areas of morality by attacking the 12-year old victim’s credibility. Though nobody involved in the case can recall a shred of evidence that the victim had any sort of history of making false claims, Hillary argued it as a centerpiece of her case anyway. And conveniently omitted this aspect of the case from her 2003 book, “Living History.”

    In 1975, Hillary Rodham, 27, was a court-appointed attorney for an indigent defendant accused of raping a 6th grader in Arkansas. She wrote about it in her 2003 book, “Living History,” focusing on technical evidentiary aspects of the case she presented to the court. Not surprisingly, she omitted the damning parts.

    The victim was 12 years old. An older man, Thomas Alfred Taylor, was accused of raping her in his car. The man requested a female public defender, which Hillary at first resisted. Once she took the case, however, her defense was aggressive.

    In “Living History” and in the Newsday piece, we learn of the issues raised about blood and semen samples, standard criminal defense tactics. But Hillary left out a key piece of the defense.

    Newsday explains the omission:

    However, that account leaves out a significant aspect of her defense strategy – attempting to impugn the credibility of the victim, according to a Newsday examination of court and investigative files and interviews with witnesses, law enforcement officials and the victim.

    Rodham, records show, questioned the sixth grader’s honesty and claimed she had made false accusations in the past. She implied that the girl often fantasized and sought out “older men” like Taylor, according to a July 1975 affidavit signed “Hillary D. Rodham” in compact cursive.

    The victim, now 46, told Newsday that she was raped by Taylor, denied that she wanted any relationship with him and blamed him for contributing to three decades of severe depression and other personal problems.

    “It’s not true, I never sought out older men – I was raped,” the woman said in an interview in the fall. Newsday is withholding her name as the victim of a sex crime.

    There are some interesting nuggets in the well-sourced piece, such as:

    But the record shows that Rodham was also intent on questioning the girl’s credibility. That line of defense crystallized in a July 28, 1975, affidavit requesting the girl undergo a psychiatric examination at the university’s clinic.

    “I have been informed that the complainant is emotionally unstable with a tendency to seek out older men and to engage in fantasizing,” wrote Rodham, without referring to the source of that allegation. “I have also been informed that she has in the past made false accusations about persons, claiming they had attacked her body.”

    Dale Gibson, the investigator, doesn’t recall seeing evidence that the girl had fabricated previous attacks. The assistant prosecutor who handled much of the case for Mahlon Gibson died several years ago. The prosecutor’s files on the case, which would have included such details, were destroyed more than decade ago when a flood swept through the county archives, Mahlon Gibson said. Those files also would have included the forensics evidence referenced in “Living History.”

    The victim was visibly stunned when handed the affidavit by a reporter this fall. “It kind of shocks me – it’s not true,” she said. “I never said anybody attacked my body before, never in my life.”
    Hillary Clinton never misses an opportunity to remind us of how much of a warrior she is on behalf of vulnerable children. Children vulnerable to the system. Vulnerable to the callousness of adults.

    A 6th grader, Hillary? She “fantasized?” She “sought it out from older men?”

    Hillary Clinton, saying shame on others.

    UPDATE – To be more clear at what the gray area is here, officers of the court have a responsibility – an ethical responsibility – to adhere to principles of scrupulous honesty. When Hillary signed that affidavit, she was giving a sworn oath that she had knowledge and evidence that the 6th grader had a history of making false charges. That’s what the affidavit says. But nobody, including the victim who has no axe to grind, believes this has any truth. That’s the core of the Newsday story.

    That is the difference between zealous defense and breaching ethical responsibility.

    And every lawyer here knows it.

  • I wonder if unwanted “pruning” by fair visitors was a problem?

    http://www.newsday.com/news/nation/pot-plants-on-display-at-oregon-state-fair-in-a-first-1.12230558

    Living marijuana plants went on display Friday at the Oregon State Fair and organizers say it’s the first state fair in the nation to allow cannabis for public viewing. Oregon voted to legalize recreational marijuana in late 2014.

    The Oregon Cannabis Business Council, which is sponsoring the display, says it’s the first time living pot plants have been open for public viewing at any state fair nationwide.

    The council is renting space in a state fair exhibit hall for its tent and selected nine plants for the display at an industry event two weeks ago.

    Those plants appear to be all leaf, no bud, as the story goes on to explain:

    While the tent holding the display smells strongly of weed, fair authorities are only allowing immature plants — that is, pot plants without flowers.

    Marijuana leaves are much less potent then the flowers, or buds, and it’s not yet legal to transport flowering plants within the state anyway.

    Donald Morse, director of the Oregon Cannabis Business Council, said his group hopes to get permission to display flowering pot plants next year, but the details aren’t finalized.

    Plus it’s unlikely anyone will be taking any ‘souvenirs’:

    The exhibit is in a translucent tent and both the entrance and exit are monitored.

    Anyone entering must present identification proving they are age 21 and over.

  • ramrodd

    Our actions (political and otherwise) are defined by fear, which has quite
    naturally made our culture and civilization a product of (and slave to)
    fear.

    We’re told to fear Hillary. We’re told to fear a Hillary Supreme Court
    nominee.

    We’re told to fear a Hillary Court’s impact on the million+ babies that we
    already murder each and every year here in “the land of the free” and the home
    of the NSA…thanks to…*drumroll*…the decision(s) made over 40 years ago
    by a Supreme Court loaded with
    Republican appointees and upheld by several
    subsequent decisions made by courts loaded with – you guessed it –
    Republican appointees. (Much like the same
    Republican appointee led Court that gave us ObamaCare and “gay
    marriage” last year. See a trend here, people?)

    We’re told to fear the Russians. And the Chinese. And ISIS.

    And somewhere in the mix, if the conversation goes on long enough, we’re
    often told to fear what might happen to Christians if Hillary gets into
    office.

    Christians might face extra persecution under a Clinton administration,
    don’tcha know, and that ought to be something we fear enough to nudge us toward
    voting for Trump.

    To those using that angle to make yet another fear-fueled pitch
    for The Donald, I ask the following: What if persecution is
    exactly what American Christianity needs?

    What if the American church is in dire need of the purification that comes
    through persecution?

    What if phony American Christians need to be weeded out?

    What if 501(c)(3) State-licensed religious institutions need to go
    away?

    What if megachurches built around man-made business models need to
    disappear?

    What if God is about to use persecution to accomplish that and strengthen
    His Bride before leading her to the inevitable victories to come?What if the
    very thing “American Christians” seek to avoid is the very thing God will use to
    make “American Christianity” go away?

    Wouldn’t that be nice? So don’t fear Clinton, Christians. Don’t fear Trump,
    either. Fear the Lord. And let the chips fall where they may…all according to
    His plans, all for His glory, and all to the eternal benefit of His
    people.http://www.firebreathingchristian.com/archives/13581

  • Mr. Freemarket

    How are all those democrat contributions working out for the coal miners?

  • Eddie_Valiant
  • While it is true that fear is a powerful motivator and also that both parties have used it, one difference I’ve seen is that, generally, the concerns of one party tend more often than not to be based on reality or at least a valid belief that what they’re saying is true while the other is easily shown to be lying through their teeth, deliberately, i.e. they are lying consciously and with malice and forethought.

    From “global warming” to “the war on women”, including “the 1%” and abortion and even when it comes to same sex unions and marriage, one side has valid complaints, the other has nothing.

    We’re told to fear Hillary. We’re told to fear a Hillary Supreme Court nominee.

    No, not quite, but we see direct evidence of what is to come with Sotomayor and Kagan. And it is a valid issue that those Hillary will nominate will be as bad or, more likely, worse.

    Supreme Court loaded with Republican appointees

    And the point there is Republicans, damn them, follow the Constitution while Democrats don’t. You mention obamacare – Congress is the one that has the power to make laws and levy taxes, unfortunately. The Court had no right to roll it back, unfortunately, as much as I wish they did. It is sinking under it’s own weight. We (well maybe not you and certainly not me) voted the people in that allowed obamacare to come into effect and it is tearing itself apart now, if you’ve been paying attention. Also you apparently don’t read the dissenting opinions that come from those Republican appointees – which are really spot on – you should check them out. It is true that, in a spirit of trying to appoint moderates perhaps (example: Anthony McLeod Kennedy, Appointed by Reagan), Republican Presidents past have helped create this situation. And even if you read the obamacare opinion you will get an idea of why Rogers came down the way he did, as much as we both apparently don’t like the result.

    We’re told to fear the Russians. And the Chinese. And ISIS.

    The Russians, the Chinese and ISIS are valid concerns, in large part due to the failures of the Democrats, to their political mistakes and, frankly, to their cowardice and absolute idiocy.

    More later

  • ramrodd

    you continue to defend republican sellouts…even Hannity has discontinued doing that!!

    heres a thought mr republican – take your posts to the article and the writer of the article i posted!!

    you post plenty on this site….if you continue i will begin posting these phony republicans, who they are and who they are associated..

    THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS BEEN SELLING OUT THE PEOPLE WITH DECADES OF UNCONSTITUTIONAL TRADE DEALS AND WIDE OPEN US BORDERS!!!!

  • Christians might face extra persecution under a Clinton administration

    They’re already experiencing a full-on persecution – the only question is whether it will get worse (probably) or remain about the same under Clinton.

    What if 501(c)(3) State-licensed religious institutions need to go away?

    Ah so your true colors start to come out.

    What if megachurches built around man-made business models need to disappear?

    Wrong way to go about it. They eventually tend to wind up failing under their own weight anyway.

    Look up Marvin Gorman or his arch-rival Jimmy Swaggart. Look up the Bakkers, Jim and Tammy Faye, or as I called her, “Old Spider Eyes”.

    Wouldn’t that be nice? So don’t fear Clinton, Christians. Don’t fear Trump, either. Fear the Lord. And let the chips fall where they may…all according to His plans, all for His glory, and all to the eternal benefit of His people.

    I don’t think either Clinton or Trump will do God’s work. Someone else’s work, more likely.

  • heres a thought mr republican

    Apparently you’re new here.

    I’m not a Republican. I’m the guy who called for a law to make both Democrats and Republicans illegal in 5 years. Gotta give the country a little time to transition, I figure, but again that was 5 years ago I started saying that, if not longer.

    you continue to defend republican sellouts

    Wrong. I didn’t defend anyone. I understand them, or at least I try to. What is it you claim I said that “defended” them? When I said the U.S. Supreme Court does not have the power to make law? I simply told the truth there – lawmaking is reserved for the Congress, who admittedly haven’t been doing their job correctly for some time now.

    THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS BEEN SELLING OUT THE PEOPLE WITH DECADES OF UNCONSTITUTIONAL TRADE DEALS AND WIDE OPEN US BORDERS!!!!

    Be specific with regards to what exact laws that involve trade and what exact laws that involve open borders you’re talking about.

  • ramrodd

    “Ah so your true colors start to come out.”

    so that means you support state churches?

    again, take it to the writer at Fire Breathing Christians!

    BUT YOU REFUSE TO DO THAT……..

  • ramrodd

    you defend them, make excuses for them – read wjhat you post!!

    Bush kept the borders open. his own conservative talkers were pounding him…..Red.Reagan amnestied 4 million and they kept coming!

    there are so many sellout trade deals over the decades….
    DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH!

    YOUR JUST ANOTHER REPUBLICAN MONKEYBOY

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  • I look forward to your comments on this video and the candidate that spoke them.
    http://www.invictusforsenate.com/platform.html
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUD2OpRdOBg

  • TED
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  • What’s 1,000 lawyers on the bottom of the sea?

    A good start.

  • Continue making false accusations after I explain to you I AM NOT A REPUBLICAN – it only discredits you more.

  • Unlike you, I have friends and a life. Hint: get a hobby.

  • ramrodd

    Leftist Rant – “get a life”

    The person who says this feels the person to whom it is said is wasting his or her time on something.Implied in the taunt is to act normal (whatever that is!) or mainstream.

    Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Nobody likes abuse. Personal attacks include calling someone an idiot (or worse), telling them to get a life, or any
    other such personal insult.

  • ramrodd

    i dont care what you call yourself….but its clear that your duty is to defend the phony right-wing

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  • Torcer

    In Reference to this posting of yours:

    Bodhisattva

    Would you please limit your bickering posts to one sub-thread per thread and stop starting new ones at the top all the time?
    http://moonbattery.com/?p=75935#comment-2883561777

    Are you fully aware of the implications of what you are doing?

    Why did you make this ‘request’ – was it of you own volition or are you now doing the bidding of Kirkles?

  • I presume this is the post you’re talking about. No apology necessary.

    By the way, I’ve made the same requests of him. I thought you knew. I repeat – I’m not the boss of you or anyone, just making a suggestion, not demanding.

    And no offense taken.

  • Torcer

    Perhaps you should take some advice form the old adage ‘when you find yourself in a hole, stop digging’

    Bodhisattva
    No apologies necessary – I’m not the boss of you, him or anyone else here.

    1. Those weren’t ‘apologies’ those were questions.

    2. Why did you bother posting that in the first place?

    3. Since you’ve chosen to interject yourself into the discussion, then perhaps you should be the one to explain to KirklesWorth that it’s moral relativistic double standards DO NOT make a convincing argument.
    Merely declaring an ANSWER to an excessively trivial and off-topic question as a Pseudo-answer DOES NOT suddenly turn my statement of truth into a alleged lie.

    4. Please note that a predilection for moral relativism is very indicative of the left, along with their use of Alinsky tactics. Especially their use of the rule:

    Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.

    Which by all indications are what they are trying to do with yours truly.
    So your helping them in this endeavour is not appreciated.

  • Torcer

    I’m still waiting for a response to this:

    Perhaps you should take some advice form the old adage ‘when you find yourself in a hole, stop digging’

    Bodhisattva
    No apologies necessary – I’m not the boss of you, him or anyone else here.

    1. Those weren’t ‘apologies’ those were questions.

    2. Why did you bother posting that in the first place?

    3. Since you’ve chosen to interject yourself into the discussion, then perhaps you should be the one to explain to KirklesWorth that it’s moral relativistic double standards DO NOT make a convincing argument.
    Merely declaring an ANSWER to an excessively trivial and off-topic question as a Pseudo-answer DOES NOT suddenly turn my statement of truth into a alleged lie.

    4. Please note that a predilection for moral relativism is very indicative of the left, along with their use of Alinsky tactics. Especially their use of the rule:

    Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.

    Which by all indications are what they are trying to do with yours truly.
    So your helping them in this endeavour is not appreciated.

  • On some thread you added the line “With apologies to Bodhisattva”

    I responded that there was no need to apologize.

    Now you seem to think I owe you an apology.

    I am doing my best to not take sides, to simply ask all those who are bickering, not just you, to try and limit it if you won’t quit.

    I tried to make it clear what I said had nothing to do with the post I responded to, since the post where you offered the apology was no longer evident, for whatever reason.

    In any case, now me telling you that you didn’t owe me an apology seems to have got you trying to start bickering with me.

    I’m not interested, I’m just asking EVERYONE who is bickering to either limit it or to stop entirely.

    THE END.

    (hopefully)

  • Torcer

    No, that was from Kirkles

    You took the side of it, then you didn’t own up to it.

    Now could you address the point I made:

    3. Since you’ve chosen to interject yourself into the discussion, then perhaps you should be the one to explain to KirklesWorth that it’s moral relativistic double standards DO NOT make a convincing argument.
    Merely declaring an ANSWER to an excessively trivial and off-topic question as a Pseudo-answer DOES NOT suddenly turn my statement of truth into a alleged lie.

    4. Please note that a predilection for moral relativism is very indicative of the left, along with their use of Alinsky tactics. Especially their use of the rule:

    Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.

    Which by all indications are what they are trying to do with yours truly.
    So your helping them in this endeavour is not appreciated.

  • No, wrong, you are goading me into taking sides and I won’t do it. My message is simply you both need to take it somewhere else if you can’t tone it down. So no, I won’t comment on what you guys are saying, I’ll just repeat you’re not doing anyone any good bickering and I’m not going to take sides, encourage or join either of you.

  • Torcer

    1. You took sides already, so you need to own up to it.
    Telling her to not restart a thread was meaningless since it revels in wasting people’s time in endless debates where it cannot act like an adult.

    2. As of now, it’s still a free country and if I want to restart a thread I will do so.

    Did you understand my point with regard to their Alinsky tactics?

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