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Aug 30 2016

Caller Calls Out Rush Limbaugh for Selling Out to Trump

Intellectually, Donald Trump is microscopically small, but he will have a big impact on conservative politics for years to come, due to the large number of unprincipled conservatives who sold out to his progressive populist cult of personality. Many of the biggest names on the Right have disgraced themselves to the point that it is hard to imagine they will have any future after the blowout we all know is coming in November (Trump is losing in every swing state).

Sean Hannity and Mike Gallagher may skate by with the excuse that they didn’t know any better, but it is very clear that brighter bulbs like Hugh Hewitt and Dennis Prager know exactly what they sold their souls to crawl into bed with.

The worst of the lot is Rush Limbaugh, who openly acknowledged long ago that Ted Cruz was the conservative candidate, yet who has been defending Trump and attacking his critics from early on, for fear of alienating part of his audience. Once Trump had secured the nomination, El Rushbo threw his pro-Trump spin into overdrive, well beyond the point of insulting the intelligence of his audience.

Members of that audience who are not drunk on orange Kool-Aid are fed up, as this call attests:

No one is as influential as Rush pretends to be, but he did have enough stature that he could have derailed the Trump Train back when it would have caused minimal damage to the GOP, the conservative cause, and the country in general. An electable nominee could have been chosen to stop Shrillary. Instead he treated Trump like a legitimate candidate and encouraged listeners to believe his promises, knowing all along that The Donald is a frivolous fraud, as he admits in the audio above.

Having a contract to renew, Rush put his short-term career considerations ahead of all other concerns. Consequently, his influence in the future will be minimal.

An excellent piece laying out the case against ever again taking Maha Rushie even half seriously includes this interesting observation:

The poetic justice in all this is that some of the movement conservative intellectuals who surely feel angry at the consequences of the host’s inexcusable betrayal never took Limbaugh totally seriously, but never shared that publicly either. They empowered Rush Limbaugh just as Limbaugh empowered Donald Trump.

When Trump crashes and burns in November, he will not go down alone. That isn’t entirely a bad thing.

On tips from Torce, TrojanMan, and Varla.



  • Cruz Control

    Unbelievable. You actually believe you’re smarter than Rush, Mark Steyn, Nigel Farrage, Bill Whittle, Lars Larson, Hugh Hewitt, Michael Savage, etc. etc….fools…

  • KirklesWorth

    It’s not that they think they are necessarily smarter, they think they have more integrity. Everything Trump does (and now apparently Rush) is being analyzed as a “gotcha” moment – like this one thing will change the whole spectrum of Trump’s campaign. Well, there are more than one issue that Trump blows Hillary away on and the moderates will give Trump more leeway than the so-called “conservatives” because they want more legalization.

    No sense in getting too analytical until after Trump’s speech tomorrow in Arizona.

  • Grumpy Cat

    Yes. Yes. Rush is wrong. Don’t vote Trump. Hillary’s not so bad. Trust me.

    Here, have some KoolAid to help calm your nerves. Try the grape.

  • Torcer

    A new poll shows most Republicans appear to regret nominating Donald Trump
    Sad!
    A majority of Republicans now want a do-over.

    A new poll by the Huffington Post and YouGov shows that 54 percent of Republican and Republican-leaning voters now say that Donald Trump was not the best choice for the GOP nomination, up from 44 percent in June. Meanwhile, the number of Republican voters who say Trump was the best option fell from 44 to 35 percent.

    The findings likely reflect Trump’s abysmal performance in the polls. According to RealClearPolitics’ poll average, Clinton currently holds a 5-point lead over Trump — a very big margin in presidential polling. It wasn’t supposed to be this way: Vox’s political science model found that the election favored Republicans after eight years of a Democrat in the White House, yet Trump is polling about 4.9 points behind where he should be as of Tuesday.

    Since winning the nomination, Trump has been mired in disaster after political disaster. He’s been repeatedly accused of racism, including by members of his own party when he said a judge should recuse himself from a Trump University case due to his Mexican heritage. He suggested that Megyn Kelly asked him tough questions at a debate because she was on her period. He insulted the Muslim family of a fallen US soldier after the soldier’s parents criticized his proposal to ban Muslims from entering America. He’s been caught lying repeatedly, including about whether he opposed the war in Iraq. (He didn’t.) (Vox’s Ezra Klein has a good breakdown of all of these controversies.)

    The political crises just don’t seem to stop with Trump. And Republicans appear to be taking notice.
    http://www.vox.com/2016/8/30/12711106/donald-trump-poll-regret

  • TrojanMan

    “Hope is not a plan: Levin nukes the myth of a reliable ‘monster vote”

    ““Hillary Clinton shouldn’t be anywhere close to the Oval Office, she shouldn’t be leading in any battleground state for the presidency, and she’s leading in all of them,” Levin said”

    https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/08/hope-is-not-a-plan-levin-nukes-the-myth-of-a-reliable-monster-vote

  • Grumpy Cat

    Y A W N….

  • Torcer

    Sean Hannity’s TrumperTantrum: Now blaming Glenn Beck for Trump losing like a dog
    Sean Hannity continues melting down and blaming the “Never Trump” movement that he used to say was completely irrelevant and miniscule.

    Today he targeted Glenn Beck and Jonah Goldberg in a childish Trumpy rant:

    “Well, let me just say to all of you. And that includes the commentator class. That includes the Jonah Goldberg class, that includes radio talk show hosts. Glenn Beck is like on a — it’s a holy war for him at this point. I mean, he’s off the rails attacking me every day. Blaming me for Trump. Well, no. I was fair to everybody, Glenn. Whether you want to admit it or not. I know I was fair. My conscience is clear. And I, frankly, I’m proud to pull the lever for Donald Trump with a clear conscience.

    Except he’s full of it, as we proved by analyzing the guests he had on his show here. Hannity was pushing Trump and everyone saw it.

    How weird – everything that anti-Trump people said would come true came true, and yet somehow we’re in the wrong. I thought idiots like Hannity said that he would win in a landslide? They ate his stupid lies and now that they’re choking on the polls they’re blaming we who warned them.
    http://therightscoop.com/sean-hannitys-trumpertantrum-now-blaming-glenn-beck-for-trump-losing-like-a-dog/

  • Torcer

    The Trump campaign has a ground-game problem
    As the presidential election marathon breaks into a final sprint, the Trump campaign faces a jaw-dropping gap in the ground game: Hillary Clinton currently has more than three times the number of campaign offices in critical states than does Donald Trump.

    The contrast is a test for the conventional campaign model and points to the candidates’ stark differences in methods. Clinton is cleaving to the data-driven, on-the-ground machine that won two elections for Barack Obama. Trump, on the other hand, insists he does not need traditional campaign tactics to win the election, pointing to his overwhelming nomination victory achieved with a relatively small team and little spending.

    Nevertheless, the ground game is poised to be critical in 2016. Undecided voters are becoming scarce, and targeted turnout may be the deciding factor on Nov. 8. That usually requires field offices with phone banks, organized volunteers and a coordinated effort to knock on doors and get people to the polls.

    As of Aug. 30, Hillary Clinton has 291 offices in those 15 battlegrounds. Donald Trump has 88. (Those figures include joint presidential and party offices.) Both campaigns pledge that more offices are coming.

    The Trump campaign says it is reinventing the ground game. Its critics say the campaign simply doesn’t have one.
    http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/trump-campaign-has-ground-game-problem/

  • Torcer

    If you backed Trump in the primaries and now you're upset he's losing, you can buy this to figure out whom to blame:

  • KirklesWorth

    Oh goody! A new source – Vox! Odd, there’s a few conservative sites that call out Vox as liberal…? Well anyway, let’s see how non partisan they are today:

    Well, here’s a pleasant story about Hillary:

    Van Jones on the staggering political challenges Hillary Clinton would face as president

    Now what about Trump?

    9 days, 11 positions: Donald Trump’s spectacular immigration flameout
    What do black people like me have to lose if Trump wins? Everything.
    What I learned about Trumpism from reading 50 Breitbart articles about immigration
    A new poll shows most Republicans appear to regret nominating Donald Trump
    Paul Manafort’s resignation shows Trump’s problem is Trump
    CNN tells Trump adviser he’s losing: “Says who?” “Polls.” “Which polls?” “All of them.”
    You can’t explain Trump’s conservative media appeal without talking about race
    Breitbart, explained: the conservative media giant that wants Trump to burn down the GOP
    The Trump campaign just admitted one of the scariest things about its candidate
    How President Donald Trump could ruin his enemies’ lives

  • KirklesWorth

    Now PBS – that’s a non-partisan news source. Let’s run down the stories Newshour has done previously:

    Ooh, lots more Hillary stories than most:

    Column: Don’t be fooled. Clinton and Democrats have their own race problem
    What to watch for in Hillary Clinton’s big speech
    For delegates witnessing Hillary Clinton’s historic moment, emotions run the gamut
    Sanders supporters walk off convention floor, blame ‘rigged system’ for his loss
    Convention delegates want to know if Clinton would mirror Obama on K-12
    Will Bernie Sanders’ speech restore unity after DNC email scandal?
    Column: The Democratic Party is not what it seems
    Column: The Democrats must be the party of the 99 percent
    What you need to know about Clinton’s VP Pick, Tim Kaine

    And Trump articles seem to be just a tad more critical:

    Trump and Farage’s alliance is more complicated than you think
    The Trump campaign has a ground-game problem
    Meet some of the Chinese Americans voting for Trump
    Column: Trump’s rise is white rage veiled as political strategy
    Column: Is Donald Trump losing his party with his rhetoric and leadership style?
    Could Evan McMullin’s third-party bid hurt Trump?
    A subtle takedown of Donald Trump by Homeland Security’s Jeh Johnson
    Pence appears to contradict Trump’s stance on NATO in PBS NewsHour interview
    Column: Republicans, it’s time to move beyond the platform of Reagan
    Column: The Republican Party needs to revisit its first principles
    Is the RNC Trump’s last big chance to recast himself?

  • TrojanMan

    “TrumperTantrum” LOL

  • KirklesWorth

    Funny…I was going to post this as whom to blame:

  • TrojanMan
  • TrojanMan

    You are blaming Ted Cruz for Donald Trump losing the election? How so?

  • KirklesWorth

    But then I thought about posting this one…

  • KirklesWorth

    Because the pro-Cruz’s would have rallied and saved us from Hillary of course – instead of bailing on Trump.

  • TrojanMan

    So Trump losing will have nothing to do with Trump being a lousy candidate?

  • KirklesWorth

    Please, take the credit for defeating Trump where it is due. I’m sure Trump couldn’t lose without your help.

  • TrojanMan

    He said he didn’t need us to win. Was he lying?

  • KirklesWorth

    Why would he need so-called “conservative” bailers that initially attached to Ted Cruz but didn’t have the dignity to concede nicely and support the winning republican candidate?

  • TrojanMan

    Ok so by your own admission he doesnt need us therefore how can i be responsible for his defeat?

  • KirklesWorth

    Silly…I just said you helped.

  • TrojanMan

    I have not changed anyone’s mind, therefore i have not helped defeat Trump.

  • KirklesWorth

    Don’t be so modest! You have no idea who’s mind has been changed or not!

  • TrojanMan

    Just to be clear 100% of the blame in your opinion for Trumps defeat is solely placed at the feet of conservatives who chose to not vote Trump?

  • KirklesWorth

    Huh…I don’t remember saying that – I just said that you are helping. Would that not be true?

  • TrojanMan

    Ok I never said you said that. I am asking a simple and honest question with no other intent or motive.

    Just to be clear 100% of the blame in your opinion for Trumps defeat is solely placed at the feet of conservatives who chose to not vote Trump?

    I honestly want to know where you will place blame when Trump loses.

  • KirklesWorth

    Channeling your Psychic Friends? So be it…I’ll play along. No, I won’t place 100% of the blame yadda yadda yadda. I will just place blame on the difference between how many votes Hillary got minus how many votes Trump got plus one. After all, so-called “conservatives” haven’t learned from the past two elections that all-or-nothing ends up with nothing. They twice haven’t “conserved” all of those important liberties and rights via the elections of Barack Obama.

  • TrojanMan

    “Channeling your Psychic Friends?” You talk about hatred. Is it that hard to answer a simple question?

    Ok you realize of course that popular vote does not elect a president. So tallying raw number to place blame wont work. What will elect Trump or not are swing states. If he loses NC then he has almost no shot at winning. Hitlery is already at 230ish electoral votes. She would only need to pick up a couple of states such as Pennsylvania or Ohio to win it. So if you cannot place blame on Trump being a crappy candidate then place blame on the swing state that didnt swing in his favor. That would be appropriate.

  • 762×51

    In reality, though the complexity of it will escape your sophomoric political naivety, Conservative haven’t voted for the other Progressive candidates, McCain and Romney.

    The 12 M Democrats who elected tRump won’t be there in Nov. and he will lose. That you are an imbecile who cannot admit their mistake is obvious. That you smug and arrogant about it tells us who you really are, progtard.

    A shame you have no principles except evil, but then, Progressives never do.

  • KirklesWorth

    No, “when Trump loses” is a future prediction Nostradamus.

    Impressive. You sure know your voting stuff. Oh well, it sounded funny in my head to do the math. I guess where I’m really going is that you aren’t content to “let Trump lose on his own”, so you are helping make sure you meet your Hillary goal so I can’t come back and zing you for saying “Hillary has already won”.

  • TrojanMan

    Hey whoever wins we all lose. Neither will foster liberty and the return of the rule of law.

  • KirklesWorth

    Right…have I shown you these charts?

  • TrojanMan

    The ones based on Trumps lies…. i mean words? Yes i have seen those. And thanks for posting them… again

  • TrojanMan

    Similar article from a different perspective:

    http://hotair.com/archives/2016/08/30/hannity-goes-off-nevertrumpers-glenn-beck-hope-youre-listening/

    ” In January of this year, Lynn Vavreck noted today,a generic Republican led a generic Democrat by seven points, 46/39. Today that number is upside down, with the generic Democrat ahead by eight, 44/36. If a Clinton victory is the fault of #NeverTrumpers, why isn’t that generic-ballot reversal the fault of Trump apologists in talk radio? They could have had a competitive race this fall, but evidently they didn’t care enough about that in the spring to risk getting on the wrong side of their populist audiences.”

  • Tom

    And you better have that Suicide-Prevention Hotline number handy when he wins!

  • Tom

    “we proved by analyzing the guests he had on his show here.”
    LOL! your “analysis” was what? A flurry of rightscoop hit-pieces?

  • Smith and Wesson and Me

    I challenge you on the battlefield mano a mano to a duel with .50 caliber fully automatic weapons. 1,000 rounds each. That’s of course if you escape or they release you from ADX Florence. Say hello to Ted Kaczynski!

  • Tom

    So Trump voters are, to your fevered brain, not misguided or misinformed, but just plain evil. Got it!

  • Tom

    PBS??? Really? Getting harder and harder for you to make your daily (130+) quota of Trump Slams, huh?

  • man_wolf

    I tossed Rush onto the refuse heap months ago to join Trumpbart, The Sludge Report, The Gateway Pundit, & Faux News just to name a few of Trump’s other pseudo-conservative Super Pacs.
    I was never a reader of the National Enquirer, that’s why I didn’t mention them, but I’ll give ’em a hat tip here.

  • wTallaksen

    Why should I be responsible for cleaning up your mess for electing a N.Y.C. Progressive Democrat con man who added an R to his name who has trouble completing a single coherent sentence? If you wanted to stop Hillary why did you nominate the Only one in the field with the best chance to lose against her? You actual Trump supporters are only at 40% the other 60% that are voting for Trump are actually only voting against Hillary not for him! What a damned joke this election is!

  • wTallaksen

    Spot on! Bravo! Hannity and Rush both sound like howling sick cats trying to cover over their crap on a green marble floor in the middle of a dance hall with their pathetic excuses!!

  • KirklesWorth

    Oh yes…the catch-all excuse: “Trump lies”. So all these sites were duped by Trump and he is supposedly going to be as bad as Hillary. Gotcha.

  • KirklesWorth

    Another irrational “Donald Trump is a progressive” anti-Trump Hillary-enabler who doesn’t know that he/she is talking about.

    If you wanted to nominate a conservative, why did you make it Ted Cruz who lied, alienated colleagues and burned bridges along the way? Why are you attacking the only viable candidate capable of stopping her? Your selective indignation is very interesting…

    http://presidential-candidates.insidegov.com/compare/5-40-70/Mitt-Romney-vs-Hillary-Clinton-vs-Donald-Trump

  • KirklesWorth

    Yeah…just keep tossing conservative icons on to the refuse heap because of your selective indignation. That will leave you more time to spend with the conservative “winners” like Ted Cruz. So-called “conservative” ideologues haven’t learned their all-or-nothing approach consistently leaves them with nothing.

  • Joe Smith

    …’ The worst of the lot is Rush Limbaugh, who openly acknowledged long ago
    that Ted Cruz was the conservative candidate, yet who has been defending
    Trump’..

    Rush did not declare for any candidate in the primaries. now that trump is the nominee, rush is backing him… is that any surprise? who is he supposed to back…Mrs. BJ Clinton?

  • chris black

    First Trump now Rush, if any future influence will be minimal it will be Moonbattery’s.
    I rarely bother with this site anymore.

  • wTallaksen

    Cruz lied? No he did not! That`s lyin` Donald that told you that BS along with his deportations and Wall which has turned out to be BS now also, and YOU believed it! Cruz alienated colleagues? So calling out the lying Progressive frauds in the GOP for who they are was a bad thing for him to do? Donald Trump if elected will get along just dandy with those Republican Progressives who hate Cruz, after all Trump is a Big Government Democrat Progressive himself! P.T. Barnum is rolling in his grave with envy of Trump!

  • KirklesWorth

    Cry about Ted Cruz’s lies to Politifact. http://www.politifact.com/personalities/ted-cruz/

    Yes, I am saying Ted Cruz alienating his colleagues was a bad thing and he shot himself in the foot.

    And your assessment of Trump being a “progressive” is wrong as well: http://presidential-candidates.insidegov.com/compare/5-40-70/Mitt-Romney-vs-Hillary-Clinton-vs-Donald-Trump

  • Cruz Cuntroll

    No one here has said that. We are just smarter than you.

  • KirklesWorth

    Let me get this straight…the original Cruz Control says “You actually believe you’re smarter than…” and you reply “No one here has said that.” and then say “We are just smarter than you” which is exactly what you just denied people here believed? This could be the textbook example of “contradiction” listed in the dictionary.

  • 762×51

    ROTFLMAO! None of your ridiculous bullshit has made any difference except to drive support away from your cult leader. He is losing the race because he is an asshole, just as you are losing support for him because you are an asshole.

    This is going to be one hell of a shooting war you have started little shitbag. At last, we will be rid of you fascist Progressives, once and for all. You assholes outlived your welcome a century ago, well past time to be rid of you.

    See you on the battlefield, proggie.

  • Cruz Cuntroll

    Umm, douche bag, If HE said it, does mean anyone else here has said it. You and your alter-ego are so programmed to use strawman arguments you cannot even tell what is real and what isn’t.

    What he(you) said was that we think we are smarter than Rush, et al. Him(you)saying it does not make it true, you fucking retard. The FACT that we said tRump couldn’t win and that he is losing proves we are smarter than you, period.

    My God you are stupid.

  • 762×51

    Don’t like being thought of as evil? Don’t support evil and advance its agenda. See that’s not so hard, unless you are evil . . .

  • KirklesWorth

    Awww…762×51 is that you? I could hardly tell…you used so few swear words and no threats this time.

  • 762×51

    So Grumpy Cat is one of your alter-egos, huh Smith? Shame, I used to like you.

    Do you have an M2? If so, I accept.

  • 762×51

    Progressives like jerkoffsworth will blame anyone to escape responsibility for their mistake. But in this case, it is less about blame and more about their Progressive hatred for Conservatives.

  • 762×51

    “Unprincipled conservatives” aka, Progressives. Republican supporters of the GOPee establishment and tRump.

  • 762×51

    ..

  • 762×51

    And fucking Progressive R retards haven’t figured out that nominating Progressive candidates in the Republican Party is a losing proposition. After Romney and McCain, one would think you fucktards would get a clue.

    Go nominate your Progressive filth in the Democrat Party where you belong. Moron.

  • 762×51

    We tried but you and 12 million of your Democrat buddies forced tRump on us. Now you can eat it asshole.

  • TrojanMan

    OK well looking at this graph Mittens was more of a conservative yet got destroyed by a Marxists Kenyan WITH a united GOP. Does not look good for your boy.

  • TrojanMan

    Oh so when Trump makes up stuff about Cruz being the zodiac killer or his dad assassinating JFK… that is ok for you right? Trump the great uniter… oh wait

  • MAS

    “Talent on loan from God-duh”. Is that actually where it came from? If so I wonder if it will soon be repossessed.

  • Tom

    So you, in your infinite hatred and stupidity, get to decide what’s evil and what isn’t? Delusions of adequacy again?

  • bobdog19006

    “When Trump crashes and burns in November, he will not go down alone.”

    Yep. Unfortunately, that will mean Hillary Clinton will be our next, and possibly our last, president.

    You have any problem with that, Dave?

    I sure as hell do.

  • Troll Magnet

  • KirklesWorth

    Yeah…thanks “conservatives”. Another all-or-nothing nothing.

  • KirklesWorth

    Conversely, it must be okay for you that Ted Cruz was true 6% of the time, mostly true 16% of the time, half true 13% of the time, mostly false 31% of the time, false 27% of the time, and pants on fire 7% of the time. Ted Cruz the conservative idcon was even a crappier “uniter” than Trump. http://www.politifact.com/personalities/ted-cruz/

  • KirklesWorth

    Is it because of the anti-Trump sentiment, or because Trump supporters drive you away?

  • DW Brandel

    If I were a thinking man, I would surmise that many “countermoonbats” from this website prefer Hillary Clinton and her supreme court nominees over a Donald Trump presidency. Wow…

  • chris black

    Trump supporters mostly left Moonbattery a long time ago.

  • chris black

    LOL

  • KirklesWorth

    The reason I ask is because I support Trump and yet the anti-Trump people here claim that I, and other Trump supporters like me, are driving away other Trump supporters. Would you say that was a fair assessment, or that the Moonbattery anti-Trump climate is driving people away?

  • KirklesWorth

    And you would be right.

  • TrojanMan

    I didnt vote for Orange Julius, did you? If so then you only have yourself to thank for this disaster

  • TrojanMan

    Well here is Trumps numbers from your web site. His True % is lower, Mostly True % is lower, Half True % is a tad higher, Mostly False % is lower, but now get this… Trumps false and Pants on Fire % are much higher than Cruz

    So tell me again how Trump is better?

    http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9c9be3135533da54554defc4400d8bb413d0c588d032573505b321f6419c8a80.jpg

  • KirklesWorth

    Why so modest? You’ve contributed greatly! Support for a failed conservative, declaring the GOP needs to die, attacking the republican candidate, assisting Hillary for your “cause”…take a bow for your hard work and dedication!

  • TrojanMan

    I can say the same for you. You have contributed to turning people against Trump that may have been on the fence. You have turned him off completely for me. I was considering holding my nose until i experienced first hand Trumpian cultists. You do him no favors with your hillary-enabling traitor rhetoric. Hint: it turns people off to your boy. So please take your bow.

  • TrojanMan

    Oh and it did not escape me you completely dodged my question, as usual.

  • chris black

    I can only speak for myself , it’s the anti-Trump climate. What do they want, President Hillary?

  • KirklesWorth

    Funny – I thought somebody asked me to prove that Ted Cruz was a liar – not to defend Trump. But fine, I’ll play along. Cruz was truthful / lied less than Trump. Why not go all the way? This shows that Hillary lies the least – so she should be president, right?

  • KirklesWorth

    Yep…I’m not telling you anything personal, as it is irrelevant. Somehow I couldn’t fathom how “my” single vote would cause your so-called “disaster” anyway – but you nevertheless want it to happen so that Hillary is elected, so spare me the doom-and-gloom label of what your goal is.

  • KirklesWorth

    In some circumstances, yes. They think it will trigger the “cleansing” they so desire in order to return to the ideologically pure conservative days.

  • TrojanMan

    So i caught your boy and its deflection time. Everyone knows hillary is a liar thats not in question. Your undying devotion to Trump is what is. Own it!

  • TrojanMan

    “Somehow I couldn’t fathom how “my” single vote would cause your so-called “disaster” anyway” Yet my single vote in a state that will go Trump anyway will lead to his defeat? Yeah two faced much?

  • KirklesWorth

    Wrong again. The only devotion here is for you to defeat Trump and me to defeat Hillary. “Everybody knows Hillary is a liar” and yet the chart says she lies the least. How do you reconcile that conundrum?

  • KirklesWorth

    Funny…I’m not the one on a so-called “conservative” website trying to foment indifference (or worse) for the republican candidate for Hillary’s benefit – that would be you. You are the one actively working towards the “disaster” you decry but actually want to happen.

  • TrojanMan

    Trump/Hitlery will not foster return of rule of law and liberty. Instead we are stuck with 4 progressives to vote for in Nov. Vote for the lesser of evils or do not vote evil at all. You have that choice.

    In no circumstance do we want hitlery to be president but with the nomination of Trump, that is inevitable now.

  • KirklesWorth

    You and your “progressive” lie. Back to the chart we go! And don’t worry – I know that your response will be “Trump lies”. http://presidential-candidates.insidegov.com/compare/5-40-70/Mitt-Romney-vs-Hillary-Clinton-vs-Donald-Trump

  • TrojanMan

    That means one of two things: Your charts are full or shit or if you believe the charts you should vote hillary.

  • KirklesWorth

    Funny…you were the one who brought out the Cruz chart – I just took it to the next logical step, which of course you dodged the question: “This shows that Hillary lies the least – so she should be president, right?”

  • KirklesWorth

    You have contributed to turning people against Trump that may have been on the fence.

    Prove it. But then again, you are a liar:

    TrojanMan: That’s too late. She was elected the moment Trump won the nomination which is why I have always told you that it does not matter who you vote for. http://moonbattery.com/?p=75157#comment-2835984174

    TrojanMan: I prefer no liberal which is why I am not voting for either one. http://moonbattery.com/?p=75157#comment-2836031995

  • TrojanMan

    You either believe the charts in which case you should vote hillary or your charts are full of shit, which one is it?

    “Funny…you were the one who brought out the Cruz ” Good observation of you. So do you believe the charts or not?

    “This shows that Hillary lies the least – so she should be president, right?” I answered that question: “Everybody knows Hillary is a liar” Therefore your charts must be full of shit. So find more charts showing that Cruz is a bigger liar than Trump ok?

  • TrojanMan

    “Prove it.” Me

    How does that make me a liar?

  • KirklesWorth

    So let me get this straight – you think that because Trump lies a few percentage points more than Cruz, that it somehow disqualifies Trump from being the candidate? Laughable! Your boy Cruz was both a liar and a loser.

    And what’s all this “my charts” stuff? Cry about it to Politifact – I just put their scorecards together for easy comparison.

    http://www.politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/
    http://www.politifact.com/personalities/ted-cruz/
    http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

  • TrojanMan

    Do you believe the charts or not?

  • KirklesWorth

    People are to use you as an example of how I ” have contributed to turning people against Trump that may have been on the fence.”? Why would anybody trust a liar like you who claims:

    I was considering holding my nose until i experienced first hand Trumpian cultists.

    but told me long ago:

    TrojanMan: That’s too late. She was elected the moment Trump won the nomination which is why I have always told you that it does not matter who you vote for. http://moonbattery.com/?p=75157#comment-2835984174

    TrojanMan: I prefer no liberal which is why I am not voting for either one. http://moonbattery.com/?p=75157#comment-2836031995

    Funny…I don’t see any “Trump cultist” reasons there.

  • KirklesWorth

    Sure. Do you believe these?

  • TrojanMan

    Several things. 1st is time line which you are being disingenuous about. I was considering holding my nose until i came in contact with you and your hillary-enabling rhetoric. That turned me off to Trump.

    “but told me long ago:” Exactly! timeline genius.

    How are these mutually exclusive? I can hold my nose, vote Trump knowing he is a turd, but still think hillary will win.

    You intentionally mix and mash up things to cast a situation the way you want to see it.

    You are the liar here. You may have the last word

  • TrojanMan

    If it says hillary is not a liar then no. Thats why i said find new charts showing Cruz is a bigger liar.

    EDIT: sometimes i do not see the pics you post. Trump has already flopped on immigration so no i do not believe those either.

  • MicahStone

    “…Rush Limbaugh for Selling Out to Trump”

  • Torcer

    On what are you basing that incendiary accusation?

  • Artfuldgr

    The enemy of my enemy is my friend is an ancient proverb
    which suggests that two opposing parties can or should work together against a common enemy. The earliest known expression of this concept is found in a Sanskrit treatise on statecraft dating to around the 4th century BC, while the first recorded use of the current English version came in 1884

    AND

    In logic, the law of excluded middle (or the principle of excluded middle) is the third of the three classic laws of thought. It states that for any proposition, either that proposition is true, or its negation is true.

    The law is also known as the law (or principle) of the excluded third, in Latin principium tertii exclusi. Another Latin designation for this law is tertium non datur: “no third (possibility) is given”.

  • KirklesWorth

    Maybe this…?

  • KirklesWorth

    Did I mention that I’m not your errand boy? If you’ve got a point, do the busy work yourself.

  • Torcer

    Trumpers like to tout his wins in the primaries – but that was with Billions in free media and the sites you mentioned in tank for the man.

    If they had been fair in their coverage we probably would not be in the situation we are in at this point.

  • Torcer

    Please note that it didn’t actually answer your question.

    Also note that it like to refer to so-called “conservative” so it makes you wonder what it’s guiding principles are.

  • TrojanMan

    You are trying to make a point that Trump is not a huge liar. Your charts are obviously flawed if they show hitlery does not lie at all, therefore find new charts to support your assertion that Trump is a mediocre liar.

  • KirklesWorth

    Very well. Here are some things you have said, so we will let them speak for themselves:

    TrojanMan: That’s too late. She (Hillary) was elected the moment Trump won the nomination which is why I have always told you that it does not matter who you vote for. http://moonbattery.com/?p=75157#comment-2835984174

    …I will not pardon your lying. The GOP needs to die because it is now a progressive party just a tad right of the democrat party. I am not voting progressive. http://moonbattery.com/?p=75607#comment-2867525328

    TrojanMan: Little do the Trumpians know that the general election was held in the republican primary and we lost. GWB will be the last republican president. http://moonbattery.com/?p=75188#comment-2838863261

    TrojanMan: Everyone on this site who is in Trumps colon is a troll yes. http://moonbattery.com/?p=75069#comment-2832389166

    TrojanMan: “live on your knees?” He lives on his knees now sucking the orange cock. http://moonbattery.com/?p=75069#comment-2832519184

    TrojanMan: If the republicans have already lost by nominating Trump as you have said what would the purpose TO vote for him? Not voting Trump would send a clear message to the GOP we are tired or progressive RINO candidates. http://moonbattery.com/?p=75040#comment-2831663771

    TrojanMan: No, as in hitlery and trump are on the same side. http://moonbattery.com/?p=75035#comment-2829760344

    KirklesWorth: “You prefer a 100% liberal to a 50% liberal”

    TrojanMan: I prefer no liberal which is why I am not voting for either one. http://moonbattery.com/?p=75157#comment-2836031995

    TrojanMan: Trump and his minions are the punishers. Trump threatening other republicans with primary challenges, real party unity there. I do not want to punish Trump. I just do not want him to be president nor Hitlery. Simple…… http://moonbattery.com/?p=75114#comment-2833872680

  • Torcer

    Did Ted Cruz cause Trump to stumble in his ground game?

    The Trump campaign has a ground-game problem
    As the presidential election marathon breaks into a final sprint, the Trump campaign faces a jaw-dropping gap in the ground game: Hillary Clinton currently has more than three times the number of campaign offices in critical states than does Donald Trump.

    The contrast is a test for the conventional campaign model and points to the candidates’ stark differences in methods. Clinton is cleaving to the data-driven, on-the-ground machine that won two elections for Barack Obama. Trump, on the other hand, insists he does not need traditional campaign tactics to win the election, pointing to his overwhelming nomination victory achieved with a relatively small team and little spending.

    Nevertheless, the ground game is poised to be critical in 2016. Undecided voters are becoming scarce, and targeted turnout may be the deciding factor on Nov. 8. That usually requires field offices with phone banks, organized volunteers and a coordinated effort to knock on doors and get people to the polls.

    As of Aug. 30, Hillary Clinton has 291 offices in those 15 battlegrounds. Donald Trump has 88. (Those figures include joint presidential and party offices.) Both campaigns pledge that more offices are coming.

    The Trump campaign says it is reinventing the ground game. Its critics say the campaign simply doesn’t have one.
    http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/trump-campaign-has-ground-game-problem/

  • Torcer

    How many articles have you posted on Comrade Clinton?
    Or are you too busy attacking principled Conservatives?

  • KirklesWorth

    Didn’t I tell you before? Cry it to Politifact and spare me your demands. http://www.politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/

  • KirklesWorth

    That’s a laugh. Let’s go to last May…

    Here is the list of Torcer recommended articles to Dave Blount for the month of May regarding either Trump or Hillary. http://moonbattery.com/?p=75451#comment-2854568143

    Torcer’s recommended articles from May with “Hillary”, “Clinton”, or “Shrillary” in the title:

    1. Watch Hillary Lie for 13 Minutes Straight
    2. Hillary’s Anti-Gun Demagoguery Crushed
    3. Shrillary Unleashes Astroturf Army of Professional Trolls
    4. Trump Already Running to the Left of Hillary Clinton
    5. Fact Check on Hillary’s Email Spin
    6. Hillary and Dogs
    7. Hillary’s First Act as President

    Torcer’s recommended articles from May with “Donald”, “Trump”, or “Orange” in the title:

    1. Fox News Reaps the Reward for Devoting Itself to Promoting Trump: Surpassed by CNN
    2. Rapists for Trump
    3. Trump Accuses Cruz’s Father of Involvement in JFK Assassination
    4. Proof That Mainstream Media Is Selecting Trump as Nominee
    5. The Last, Desperate Hope: Stopping Trump at the Convention
    6. Epic Rant on the Disaster Trumpsters Have Wreaked
    7. A Foretaste of How Dems Will Use Trump to Destroy GOP
    8. Trump Admits He Was Lying When He Linked Rafael Cruz to JFK Assassination
    9. On the Day After Cruz Dropped Out, the Predictable Trump Flip-Flops Began
    10. After Abandoning Self-Funding Pose, Trump Picks Steven Mnuchin, Who Has Worked for Goldman Sachs and Soros Fund Management, as Finance Chairman
    11. Trump Refuses to Condemn Supporters for Sending Death Threats to Reporter
    12. The Donald Tries to Exploit Cinco de Mayo, Gets Guacamole on His Orange Face
    13. Trump Floats Partially Defaulting on the National Debt
    14. Donald Trump Says China Remix
    15. Petition to Block Trump at Convention
    16. Trump Proposes Printing Our Way Out of Debt
    17. Trump Already Running to the Left of Hillary Clinton
    18. Paul Manafort Describes Trump Presidency in Four Words
    19. Trump Threatens Our 401(k)s
    20. Trump’s Promised Ban on Muslims Becomes “Just a Suggestion”
    21. Brad Thor’s #NeverTrump Stand
    22. Report: Trump’s Tariffs Would Cost Each American Household $6,000 per Year
    23. Trumpster Sings Worship Song
    24. Trump Crows Triumphantly That He Has Turned Georgia Into a Swing State
    25. Casino Magnate Buys Trump
    26. Trump Media: No More Reliable Than the Liberal MSM
    27. How Trump Pretending to Be His Own Imaginary Spokesman During Interviews Shows He Is Like Founding Fathers
    28. Melania Trump on Jewish Reporter Menaced by Trumpsters: The Reporter Provoked Them
    29. Unofficial Trump Consigliere Roger Stone: President Trump Should Shut Down CNN
    30. #NeverTrump Writer Confesses to the Error of Her Ways
    31. Meet Jan Brewer, a Likely Choice for Trump’s VP
    32. Trump’s Laughably Bogus Supreme Court List
    33. Top Trump Surrogate Admits That We Will Get Virtual Wall and Virtual Deportations
    34. Trump Favors Free Trade This Week
    35. Trump Loses a Delegate
    36. Trump: Who the Hell Cares if There’s a Trade War?
    37. Trump and the 2008 Housing Market Crash
    38. What They Sell Out When They Sell Out to Trump
    39. NRA’s Trump Endorsement
    40. Trump Campaign Emails Battle Plan to Enemy Camp
    41. Trump Begins to Court Muslims
    42. Mitch McConnell Pledges Fealty to Trump
    43. Trump Rallies Mob Against Judge in His Fraud Trial
    44. Major Endorsement for Trump’s Foreign Policy

  • KirklesWorth

    Not really – we wonder what your guiding “principles” for recommending Trump articles three times more than Hillary?

  • Torcer

    And that proves nothing.
    Please cite where we have openly advocated for Comrade Clinton.

    Be sure to include plenty EXCERPTS and Links in your answer.

  • Torcer

    BTW, can we use those references to Charge Trump with the same accusation?

    How is he doing with his ground game or debate prep?

  • Torcer

    Yes, they insisted on backing the worst possible candidate and now somehow it’s our fault for his failings.

  • KirklesWorth

    Ah yes, the infamous “Be sure to include plenty EXCERPTS and Links in your answer.” demands from Torcer – you should get that trademarked. You’d almost believe it thinks it runs this site. How is your so-called “candidate” Evan McMullin doing with his ground game or debate prep? Nevermind, we all know that was a phony “endorsement”. Getting Hillary elected is your goal – you are just shy about your reasons why. The others at least own up to the fact that they want the country “cleansed” of progressive-liberal-socialism…but not you for some reason. You just continue to attack Trump while tacitly suggesting a Hillary story or two here or there so that you can’t be accused of “only” attacking Trump.

  • KirklesWorth

    No, what your fault is helping Hillary. Haven’t I mentioned that? I swore I pointed out that you are recommending (at least) three times more Trump stores than Hillary stories to Dave Blount.

  • Tom

    Boy, you’re sure all puffed up about your “principles”, aren’t you? My principles don’t depend on who’s paying me to post anti-Trump propaganda.

  • TrojanMan

    It almost never does, not without major effort

  • KirklesWorth

    Sure “it” does – but how about this little ditty that has yet to be responded to:

    Oh yes…the “Trump lies” defense. So all these sites were duped by Trump and he is supposedly going to be as bad as Hillary. Gotcha. Boy, that excuse sure is convenient, isn’t it? So to summarize TrojanMan’s positions:

    1. The GOP is dead / needs to die
    2. Hillary has already been elected
    3. Trump lies so nothing can be determined about him
    4. Trump is a “progressive” because of democrat donations and #3
    5. Trump will lose on his own, but TrojanMan is still compelled to attack him anyway just to make sure
    6. A Hillary presidency wouldn’t be any worse than a Trump presidency
    7. A Hillary presidency is the goal so that it will ignite a conservative uprising to reset the country back to the good ol’ days.

    Have I missed anything? http://moonbattery.com/?p=75691#comment-2868703106

  • Torcer

    1. Repeating the same falsehood never turns it into the truth.
    2. Can you answer my question please: How many articles have you posted on Comrade Clinton?

  • Torcer

    Yes, and meanwhile it will repeat the same falsehoods incessantly in a vain attempt at trying to make them the truth.

    Usually when it’s backed into a corner it will just plain refuse to back answer a question or back up it’s accusations.

  • KirklesWorth

    Nah, it answers your questions and calls out your “falsehoods” lie with lists like this:

    Here is the list of Torcer recommended articles to Dave Blount for the month of June regarding either Trump or Hillary. http://moonbattery.com/?p=75437#comment-2851720684

    Torcer’s recommended articles from June with “Hillary”, “Clinton”, or “Shrillary” in the title:

    1. Shrillary’s Cascade of Lies
    2. Hillary Uses Government Healthcare Expenses as Pretext to Attack Second Amendment
    3. Hillary Denounces Income Inequality While Wearing $12,495 Jacket
    4. Shrillary Rotten Clinton, Glowing Goddess of Government
    5. Under Secretary Shrillary, Unqualified Rajiv Fernando Donated His Way Onto 6. International Security Advisory Board
    6. Chuck Todd: We Would Cover Hillary’s Scandals if Not for Trump
    7. Hillary Laugh Riot
    8. Opposing Trump Does Not Mean Supporting Hillary, if Only Because Trump Has No Chance
    9. Searching Shrillary: Bing Versus Google
    10. State Department Disabled Security Features Due to Hillary’s Private Email Setup
    11. Hillary Teleprompter Fail
    12. Press Begins to Penetrate Hillary’s Transparency
    13. Hillary Calls Denying Gun Rights a “Civil Rights Issue”; Other Dems Call for More Sit-ins

    Torcer’s recommended articles from April with “Donald”, “Trump”, or “Orange” in the title:

    1. Trump University Scam Targeted the Elderly, the Uneducated, and Single Mothers
    2. Why a Bernie Sanders Supporter Would Support Donald Trump
    3. Now Trump Never Said He Wants Japan to Have Nukes
    4. Trump’s Greatest Service to Democrats
    5. Trump Doubles Down on Racial Attack Against Judge in His Fraud Case
    6. Trump Denounces American Exceptionalism
    7. How Pam Bondi Went From Suing Trump to Serving Him
    8. Trump Chum Renee Ellmers Is Crushed in Primary
    9. Momentum Builds to Stop Trump at Convention
    10. Dems Convert Trump’s Nastiness Into Ordnance; Collateral Damage Will Hit Conservatives
    11. Loud, Nasty, Thin-Skinned Fraud Elizabeth Warren Calls Donald Trump a Loud, Nasty, Thin-Skinned Fraud
    12. The Far Left Case for Trump
    13. Trump Endorsed Obama’s Globalist and Authoritarian “Measures to Control Climate Change”
    14. Already Trump Crowds Are Petering Out
    15. Chuck Todd: We Would Cover Hillary’s Scandals if Not for Trump
    16. Undeniable Truth From Trump
    17. At Least Trump Has Support From Gays
    18. Trump Apparently Flips on Gun Rights Already
    19. Trumpmania Spreads to Japan
    20. Wheels Are Coming Off Trump Campaign Already
    21. How His Cufflinks Are Perfectly Emblematic of Trump
    22. Rush Limbaugh Desperately Attempts to Spin Trump’s Collapse in Polls
    23. Opposing Trump Does Not Mean Supporting Hillary, if Only Because Trump Has No Chance
    24. Trump TV
    25. Could Trump Be Prosecuted for Fraud?
    26. Support Grows for Stopping Trump in Cleveland
    27. Why the Trump Campaign Has No Money
    28. Ben Carson Explains Why Trump Campaign Is Broke
    29. Donald Trump and the Decline of the Religious Right Summed Up in One Photo
    30. Prominent Trump Delegate Threatens to “Whack” Delegates Who Rebel and Vote Their Consciences
    31. Why Trump’s Numbers Are Likely to Get Worse
    32. Trump Surrogate Ben Carson: Let’s Debate Whether We Need Second Amendment
    33. Why No One Respectable Will Work for Trump Campaign
    34. Trump Versus Reagan
    35. Eric Trump Has Been Illegally Begging Foreign Politicians for Campaign Cash

  • Torcer

    Here’s some references on Trump’s Lies:

    Lyin’ Donald: 101 Of Trump’s Greatest Lies
    http://www.dailywire.com/news/4834/trumps-101-lies-hank-berrien

    Trump’s Yuuge Lies http://natl.re/KvqEYT via @NRO

    Donald Trump Is Lying About IRS Audits
    http://patterico.com/2016/02/26/donald-trump-is-lying-about-irs-audits/

    Chris Hayes tallies times Trump has called Cruz a liar http://twitchy.com/2016/02/15/christopher-hayes-tallies-number-of-times-trump-has-called-cruz-a-liar-this-weekend/

    Ben Shapiro: Donald Trump Is A Liar
    https://www.facebook.com/DailyWire/videos/1526322817663544/

    Trump’s Big Colorado Lie https://shar.es/1juEBj via @sharethis

  • Karma’s Janitor

    Short memory Blount. In February he and all others where anti Trump, The super pacs had given them a check. Beck, Levin, all others, Limpdick. all of them except Savage where anti Trump big time.

  • Captain_Sensible50

    Being that the last unarguably Conservative individual to win the GOP primary was Ronald Reagan back in 1984, I’d ask you, “When, since then, has Conservatism even been tried?”

  • KirklesWorth

    A good point – why can’t conservatives come up with a quality candidate? But “unarguably?” Ronald Reagan would hardly be called a conservative nowadays:

    Nearly tripled the deficit
    Gave amnesty to 3 million illegal immigrants
    Raised the debt ceiling 18 times
    Expanded gun sale background checks and an assault weapon ban
    Signed at least 5 tax increases (Alan Simpson says 11 times)
    Increased the Social Security tax rate
    Unemployment reached 10.8%
    Appointed liberal justice Anthony Kennedy
    Had “issues” with Israel
    Bailed out Social Security for $165 billion
    Was a union leader in the Screen Actors Guild
    Negotiated with and armed terrorists in the Iran-Contra Affair

  • Dr Why

    I don’t know how you can criticize Mr. Limbaugh for being even-handed and leaving the voting to the voters. Is it a flaw to not attack people?

  • Callawyn

    Hillary for POTUS!!!!

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  • 762×51

    Everyone decides what is right and wrong based on their personal experiences, you sanctimonious jackass. Delusions of intelligence again?

  • Troll Magnet

    Anyone unwilling to get down on their knees and suck Cruz’s balls is unworthy according to this blog 😛

  • Troll Magnet

    is that really the best you can do, boy?

  • Captain_Sensible50

    To issue a few corrections:

    You forgot to mention that the Reagan tax cuts- something no Democrat since Kennedy has embraced- also doubled revenue to the Federal government. It was Congress, which was almost continually under Democrat control, that increased spending even faster than revenue increased. Reagan went along with it because Congress did go along with his defense spending increases- which won the Cold War.

    While he did grant Amnesty, that was only part of the deal. The other half was to secure the borders and control immigration. Congress, under Democrat control, gleefully accepted the Amnesty and then reneged on securing the borders.

    Debt ceiling_ same explanation as on taxes; he got the defense spending levels necessary to defeat the Soviet Union and end the Cold War.

    But on your first point, I do have to agree with you and wonder the same thing myself. In fact, I’d extend this to both partys: in a country of 320 million, these two are the best we can get? REALLY?

  • 762×51

    The offer of mutual combat is always open to you, pussy.

    I was in a hurry and didn’t have time to disrespect you in the manner you so richly deserve. As a paid political hack, you use so many different screen names to pretend you are more than you really are, up vote your babbling drivel and “support” your primary screen name, I thought I’d play that game with you as well. Besides, I enjoy having you block as many of my screen names as possible and now you’ll have to do it for your alias’s as well.

    Well, I’m off to denigrate you in other places, die in pain, asshole.

  • KirklesWorth

    I didn’t “forget” anything – my point was that conservative icon Ronald Reagan did many un-conservative things. Tax cuts shouldn’t mean an automatic “conservative” label when taking into consideration all of the un-conservative things Reagan did – whether or not is was them means to an end. On paper, Reagan and Trump look fairly similar.

  • Captain_Sensible50

    No, you cherry-picked some things that Reagan did to accuse him of being less than conservative. I provided some historic context in order to prove you incorrect.

  • KirklesWorth

    What was I “incorrect” about? I’ve said:

    “Ronald Reagan would hardly be called a conservative nowadays” – true.
    “Reagan did many un-conservative things” – true.
    “On paper, Reagan and Trump look fairly similar” – true.
    List of Reagan’s un-conservative things – true.

    “Cherry-picking”? Are you kidding? Those are all major conservative issues that Reagan faltered on. As I said, Reagan on paper doesn’t look like a conservative icon regardless of your “historic context”. The left loves to write articles about now un-conservative Reagan was.

    InsideGov.com rates Reagan #2 most conservative – second to George W. Bush who is regarded a moderate conservative.

    http://us-presidents.insidegov.com/stories/5037/ranking-presidents-least-most-conservative#12-George-W-Bush

  • Captain_Sensible50

    You failed to provide any historic context for your assertions,

    Example: if all one knows about the deficit in the 1980s is that it greatly increased under Ronald Reagan, then one might reasonably conclude that Reagan bore, if not all of the responsibility, at least a major portion of it, and so, if he bore that responsibility, it was an “un-conservative” aspect of his Presidency.

    But that it, of course, not the whole story. Once you know that revenue to the Federal government also increased dramatically- as it has every single time tax cuts have been implemented- and that Reagan decided that increases in Democrat pet domestic programs were worth making if he could get larger increases in defense spending so that he could, with the invaluable assistance of Lady Margaret Thatcher in England and Pope John Paul I, cause the Berlin Wall to be torn down and ensure the fall of the Soviet Union. The historic context provide facts which radically alter your thinly-proofed assertion that Reagan did “un-conservative” things.

  • KirklesWorth

    I don’t know what to tell you. If Trump said he would do these things, would you elect him as a “conservative” president?

    Triple the deficit
    Give amnesty to 3 million illegal immigrants
    Raise the debt ceiling 18 times
    Expand gun sale background checks
    Assault weapons ban
    Sign at least 5 to 11 tax increases
    Increase the Social Security tax rate
    Unemployment reaching 10.8%
    Appoint liberal justices
    Has “issues” with Israel
    Bail out Social Security for $165 billion
    Was a union leader in the Screen Actors Guild
    Negotiat with and arm terrorists like the Iran-Contra Affair

  • Captain_Sensible50

    first off, perish the thought that I would help elect Trump.

    But, for the sake of argument, if I were to do so, it would be done knowing full well that I was not electing a “conservative” President. He has never been a conservative and pretended to be only to dupe those who either are incapable or uninteresting in knowing the truth.

    As for the rest…still no context because you know that context disproves your argument.

  • KirklesWorth

    Okay…Hillary it is for you then. And InsideGov doesn’t share your opinion on Trump, as their evaluation places him as a moderate conservative except for Defense and International issues where they consider him slightly liberal. This graph compares him to Hillary (who is extremely liberal) and Mitt Romney (who is more conservative).

    http://presidential-candidates.insidegov.com/compare/5-40-70/Mitt-Romney-vs-Hillary-Clinton-vs-Donald-Trump

  • Captain_Sensible50

    Are you aware that Inside Gov considers Hillary Clinton “moderately Liberal” overall?

    Do YOU think that Hillary Clinton is “moderately Liberal”?

  • Captain_Sensible50

    I should also have included this response when commenting on your studious lack of context in your assertions regarding Reagan.

    Would you say that a person who pushes little old ladies in general and a person who pushes little old ladies out of the way of an oncoming bus are the same or different?

    Well, both individuals do push little old ladies, but one has a selfish motive for doing so and the other a selfless motive for doing so, which is a distinction that cannot be drawn unless one provides context.

    Raising taxes and raising the debt ceiling repeatedly would, indeed, sound like something a conservative would not favor doing…unless you know the motive in taking such steps. And the only way to know what the motive is or was is to provide….context!

  • KirklesWorth

    I believe that Hillary is extremely liberal…but that’s my opinion and I like to have various others to back me up. But at least you are conceding that Trump is at least a moderate conservative then, right?

  • KirklesWorth

    You have are your suspicions about Trump, while we have more concrete examples with Hillary. Pardon me if I hope for the best and vote that Trump will do more conservative things than Hillary will do that are progressive-liberal-socialist. Or do you have a problem with voting for the most viable right-wing / conservative candidate?

  • Captain_Sensible50

    No, I am arguing that the site to which you linked has absolutely zero credibility.

    If you disagree with their assessment of Hillary- and you’re entirely correct to do so- why are you so eager to trust their opinion of Trump?

  • Captain_Sensible50

    All I have is Trump’s word- until he changes it- that he will govern center-right. Given that he changes positions on a very frequent basis- sometimes in the same speech!- I have zero reason to trust him.

    I intend not to vote for President at all- a first in the 32 years I’ve been eligible to vote- and give my support to downballot candidates who are, without question, conservatives (Jeff Sessions, for instance, who happens to be my Senator). In that manner, I would hope those who do represent my views can act as a check on the Progressive agenda of a Hillary Clinton or of a Donald Trump.

  • KirklesWorth

    Oh, I see – how fortunate you are to be the arbiter of credibility and explain how your opinion overrides their findings. How about this one from the Washington Post – are you going to dismiss it because it is left-wing news? https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/political-issues/

  • KirklesWorth

    Yean…smart move. It will be the third time the democrats win in a row – and Obama was such a resounding success that Hillary is sure to make it even better. It makes perfect sense – unless you are a conservative. You can look forward to:

    1. keeping 11 million illegal aliens
    2. no border enforcement
    3. Importing millions more immigrants and “refugees”
    4. giving healthcare to illegal immigrants
    5. giving illegal aliens rights and citizenships
    6. increasing gun control
    7. increasing gun background checks
    8. banning “assault weapons”
    9. softer law enforcement
    10. expanding Obamacare
    11. no school vouchers
    12. green energy debacles
    13. global warming nonsense
    14. increasing EPA regulations
    15. hiking minimum wage
    16. progressive-liberal-socialist supreme court

  • Captain_Sensible50

    Are you aware that Trump has supported #s 6, 7, 8, 10, 12, 13 and 15?

  • Captain_Sensible50

    I notice you didn’t answer my question directly.

    If you disagree with the conclusions of the first website you cited as to Clinton being “moderately Liberal”, why, then, are you so eager to agree with the same site’s conclusion that Trump is “moderately Conservative”?

    As for the Washington Post’s piece…what is truly amazing is that Trump won the nomination having so many of the same policy positions as Hillary Clinton.

  • KirklesWorth

    Sorry, if you are going to question my answers, then I am going to point out how you “didn’t answer my question directly”:

    If Trump said he would do these things, would you elect him as a “conservative” president?

    Or do you have a problem with voting for the most viable right-wing / conservative candidate?

    How about this one from the Washington Post – are you going to dismiss it because it is left-wing news?

    If you believe that Trump and Hillary are politically equivalent, then there is little I can do to combat your anti-Trump hatred. I’ve provided sources, you’ve provided squat except for your “feelings” similar to your garden-variety liberal. So feel free to follow the path of the so-called “conservatives” that didn’t elect McCain and didn’t elect Romney so that the end result was the country moving faster and a farther shift leftward than if the so-called “conservatives” actually voted to conserve rights and liberties instead of handing them over to Obama.

  • KirklesWorth

    Not concerned about Hillary, eh? Noted. “Has supported” are the key words:

    #6-8 Do you know better than the NRA? “Trump Accepts NRA Endorsement Despite Past Views on Guns http://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/trump-touts-nra-endorsement-despite-past-views-guns

    #10 “Obamacare. We’re going to repel [sic] it, we’re going to replace it, get something great. Repeal it, replace it, get something great!” yelled Trump. http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2015/09/14/trump-america-a-dumping-ground-for-the-rest-of-the-world/

    #12-13 Donald Trump supports rescinding the Climate Action Plan and Waters of the U.S. rule, renewing the Keystone XL Pipeline project, canceling the Paris Climate Agreement, and reforming the regulatory environment. Trump claims global warming is a “hoax.” https://ballotpedia.org/2016_presidential_candidates_on_energy_and_environmental_policy

    #15 Trump says $10, Hillary says $15

  • Captain_Sensible50

    “Has supported” is actually an act of generosity toward Trump. I suspect that he still supports several of those unquestionably Progressive positions.

  • Captain_Sensible50

    I held my nose and voted for McCain.

    I held my nose and voted for Romney.

    I refuse to hold my nose and vote for Trump.

    If your standards are lower and if you feel compelled to jettison your principles, by all means do so.

  • KirklesWorth

    Need some help with your suspicions?

  • KirklesWorth

    No, my standards are much higher than Hillary Clinton. At least you weren’t a stand-by non-voting conservative – too bad you’ve changed when it will matter the most.

  • Captain_Sensible50

    Do those listed viewpoints reflect Trump’s latest pronouncements on thos subjects?

    He tend to change his views on…pretty much everything…not only from week to week but literally sentence by sentence.

  • KirklesWorth

    I don’t know what to tell you. It’s not like they are close, so I don’t see the difficulty in choice.

  • Captain_Sensible50

    And I’ve heard that before.

    At some point, one does- or at least should- get tired of sacrificing principles. I reached that point in 2016. Your time will come…hopefully.

  • Captain_Sensible50

    The difference is that you believe Trump and I do not.

  • KirklesWorth

    The principles will be sacrificed more if Hillary is not defeated. Under Obama, we have quickened our shift leftward even with the republican majorities. Punishing the country for Trump doesn’t exactly put the “conserve” (of rights and liberties) in conservative.

  • KirklesWorth

    You don’t know what I believe and what I don’t. I liken it to a political version of “Pascal’s wager”: the argument that it is in one’s own best interest to behave as if God exists, since the possibility of eternal punishment in hell outweighs any advantage of believing otherwise. Supporting Trump far outweighs the alternative.

  • Captain_Sensible50

    Oh I think I’ve sussed you out pretty well by now.

    You are prepared to risk the future of this country on the pronouncements of an individual who has espoused practically every single viewpoint on every single issue over not just the past decades but the past days. You believe that a man who is approaching 70 years old and held not merely liberal views on most issues for his entire adult life- more than 50 years- but most of those positions were ultra-liberal had a sudden change of heart and became a Reagan-esque conservative champion…just in time to run for President as a Republican.

    So, to paraphrase “Pascal’s Wager”, your argument is that it is in one’s own interest to believe Trump is a conservative, since the possibility of the country’s ruination if her opponent is elected- even if that possibility may be only ever-so-slightly less if Trump wins- outweighs any advantage in believing otherwise.

  • KirklesWorth

    Yours is the higher risk emotionally based upon your “suspicions”. A Hillary presidency will flood the country with illegal immigrants and your ideal conservative candidates won’t have a chance of being elected. We hope Trump will keep his promises but we know Hillary will keep hers.

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