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Sep 07 2016

Why Conservatives Don’t Take Trump at His Word

No one needs to be told that Shrillary is corrupt to the core; it’s the one thing everyone who is politically engaged can agree on. What many don’t realize is that her opponent is comparably unscrupulous.

Illegally donating $25,000 to Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi, evidently as a bribe to kill an investigation into the Trump University scam, is just the tip of the iceberg. A few more examples:

• Trump’s casino bankruptcies, which left investors holding the bag while he skedaddled with their money
• Trump’s habit of refusing to pay contractors who had done work for him, many of whom are struggling small businesses
Trump University, which includes not only the people who got scammed and the Florida investigation, but also a similar story from Texas where the investigation into Trump U was quashed.
• The Trump Institute, another get-rich-quick scheme in which Trump allowed a couple of grifters to use his name to bilk people out of their money
• The Trump Network, a multi-level marketing venture (a.k.a. pyramid scheme) that involved customers mailing in a urine sample which would be analyzed to produce for them a specially formulated package of multivitamins
• Trump Model Management, which reportedly had foreign models lie to customs officials and work in the U.S. illegally, and kept them in squalid conditions while they earned almost nothing for the work they did
• Trump’s employment of foreign guest workers at his resorts, which involves a claim that he can’t find Americans to do the work
• Trump’s use of hundreds of undocumented workers from Poland in the 1980s, who were paid a pittance for their illegal work
• Trump’s connections to mafia figures involved in New York construction
• The time Trump paid the Federal Trade Commission $750,000 over charges that he violated anti-trust laws when trying to take over a rival casino company

It isn’t just the flip-flops on core issues like immigration. Trump is simply not someone it would be sensible to trust.

Yet his supporters inexplicably take him at his word that he would appoint conservative justices and enact a conservative agenda, as if he were more reliable than the principled conservatives who object to him, despite his lifelong history of loudly espousing not merely liberal but looney left viewpoints.

During W’s presidency, Trump joined other far left nutcases in shouting for impeachment. At the height of the Tea Party, Trump denounced it, and proclaimed that America was too racist to appreciate Obama.

Even within the past year, examples have included 9/11 conspiracy crapola, spewing Code Pink talking points during a debate, praising Planned Parenthood in the aftermath of the body parts scandal, supporting the intolerable Kelo decision, averring that our fundamental right to bear arms should be contingent on not having been arbitrarily placed on arcane government watch lists, backing wasteful crony capitalist ethanol subsidies, siding with the worst of the so-called GOPe against conservative resistance, calling for increasing the national debt, promising to raise taxes, denouncing Antonin Scalia for opposing Affirmative Action, supporting the large-scale importation of “refugees” from the Islamic world, et cetera.

There is no doubt that a corrupt leftist will be elected president in November. The question is whether there will still be an opposition party.

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One of the last people on earth I would trust.

On a tip from Torcer.



  • david

    Vote Johnson, you cuck.

  • EtoculusDei

    I could create a similar list for any political figure out there.

    Please spare me the lecture on principles while you help Hillary Clinton become president of the United States. I’m so sick of the moral preening by you guys I could just hurl. Admit it. Your precious ego got hurt…..and you’d die in a liberal re-education camp before you would admit you’ve been wrong.

  • I have a long memory, and will always be grateful to sites like Moonbattery and Redstate who had the guts to call out Trump for what he really is. History will remember them fondly. Not so with Fox, Hannity, Coulter, Breitbart, Drudge, etc. who supported Trump for short-term profits and kept us from having a candidate like Cruz.

  • Occam’s Stubble

    The question is whether there will still be an opposition party.

    There’s an opposition party?

  • Grumpy Cat

    You’ve already pledged your allegiance to Hillary and her NWO. Now go collect your .5 from Soros.

  • JeffersonSpinningInGrave

    In many very key ways, Johnson is no better than the leftists. Plus, he’s an intellectual light-weight. Much better than Hillary, of course. Better than Trump? I don’t know, even with all of Trump’s obvious flaws. If I decide on a protest vote, it will be Darrell Castle. Or perhaps I’ll pencil in SMOD.

  • Grumpy Cat

    Who cares actually what you think, pathetic toothless rat dog?

  • Grumpy Cat

    Just stay in your mothers basement and whack off to your Ted Cruz poster, loser.

  • TrojanMan

    Johnson is a, pro-abort, pro-illegal, pot smoking, anti-1A progressive. His VP is anti-2A.

  • JeffersonSpinningInGrave

    Heh.

    1) My Mom doesn’t have a basement.

    2) I haven’t lived in her house since 1986.

    3) Don’t own a Ted Cruz poster. He was indeed the candidate for whom I would have voted with the fewest reservations, but I’m not the cult of personality type.

    So look at the offerings: Trump, who is a douchebag and a huckster. Hillary Clinton who is one of the worst people of whom I am personally aware. Gary Johnson who wants open borders and would force jewish bakers to do Nazi cakes. And Jill Stein who is simply insane.

    Utter, complete dumpster fire.

  • TrojanMan

    Dude he is trolling. He knows all this but is just here to agitate.

  • TrojanMan

    “I’m so sick of the moral preening by you guys I could just hurl.” Is someone forcing you to come to this site? OR is someone paying you to come to this site?

    “and you’d die in a liberal re-education camp before you would admit you’ve been wrong.” You will get that with either Trump or Clinton.

  • JeffersonSpinningInGrave

    I’m sure you are right. At least he’s consistent, though, unless he bashes Trump from another account.

  • KirklesWorth

    Another case of so-called “conservatives” eating their own. Fail the ideological purity test – get thrown under the bus. That only leaves the rest of the left-wing media to deal with.

  • KirklesWorth

    But you don’t care, since you’ve conceded to Hillary long ago. Not exactly putting the “conserve” (as in rights and liberties) in “conservative”.

  • KirklesWorth

    Bravo!

  • KirklesWorth

    Well Dave Blount, who would you recommend for president then?

  • TrojanMan

    Go back into the archives and you will find your answer.

  • KirklesWorth

    Oh, I didn’t realize you were answering for Dave Blount now. Do you mean Evan McMullin who can’t even pick his VP right, or is he conceding to Hillary like you?

    Whoops: Independent candidate appears to have accidentally picked a running mate

  • Kevcar

    Wow, after reading your brilliant well thought out response, I’m just in awe! It’s truly amazing how the Donald consistently draws out only the most intelligent , reasoned and well spoken of the American public and you are proof.

  • Artfuldgr

    Trump’s casino bankruptcies, which left investors holding the bag while he skedaddled with their money

    LIE: He weathered two real estate crashes (according to FORBES). He sold his airline to pay the creditors that voted for him to stay and run things, and converted the mar a lago estate to a resort to pay… According to Forbes, it was AFTER these events he started using others capital and took Trump the company semi public.

    Michael Viscount of Atlantic City law firm Fox
    Rothschild LLP, who represented unsecured creditors when Trump Hotels
    & Casino Resorts, as it was then called, filed for Chapter 11
    protection in 2004
    . “Therein lies the big distinction.” // His business was in the red, and so was he, to the tune of about $900
    million in personal debt. By the mid-90s, he’d reduced most of that
    debt, selling his Trump Princess yacht, his Trump Shuttle airline, and
    his stake in a handful of other businesses. More importantly, he stopped
    guaranteeing debt with his own wealth. “The first bankruptcy was the
    only time his personal fortune was at stake,” said Ted Connolly

    got it YET or do you prefer to speak like a liberal about something in ignorancve and hope people dont know the difference between chapter 13 and chapter 11 restructuring…

    and he sold his assets to pay… ie. he did not get a bail out, tax break, politicains help, leaders of other states… later he dealt with savvy investors of the multimillionaire kind, and your bitching that not 100% of their investments work out?

    i am getting really tired of coming here and hoping that things arent the same as with the liberal press, that ones standards would be higher for the truth, but i see that what trump has done is revealed the traitors that think they are patriots who side with the side they claim to work against, but do not

    and they wonder why they are not being heard? how many times have RINOs done this? and who is to say that a RINO doesnt know they are such, and thinks they are something else? but if they side aginast their own side, guess which side they are on in a binary choice?

    i could make a shred of the rest of that list of lies.
    but since the list of lies is from the left and the conservatives like it
    i guess the conservatives are in with the globalists and communists and not with the people UNLESS the people choose what they want, or else…

  • Artfuldgr

    i think he means who can be elected this election… not who is a fantasy person who isnt even in a campaign any more…

  • chris black

    So many lies in this article, I thought I was reading The Huffington Post.
    BTW: there was nothing “illegal” about the $25,000 Trump donated to the Florida Republican Party, not Bondi!

  • Artfuldgr

    name one capitalist state not run by a communist/socialist that ever had a re-education anything…

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  • Gene

    Yea, but other than that, what’s the problem?

  • EtoculusDei

    Yeah…right….you guys have TRUMP totally figure out…..which is why you managed to defeat him with that 160 Million dollars ya’ll spent trying to take him down. Oh wait……he beat you…..my bad. Guess maybe you guys aren’t half as smart as you think you are. There will be tears in November…..yours not mine.

  • Gene

    So, you’re saying it’s a lie because it’s true? Chapter 13 is a personal bankruptcy. Do you mean Chapter 7? All of these allow the bankrupt entity to wipe out vast amount of debt, while paying a fraction of what they owe, leaving others holding the bag. Of course bankruptcy is legal, which is one of Trump’s excuses for everything, just a loophole (another excuse is just blaming it on someone else).

    Bankruptcy isn’t the big issue, it’s Trumps claim to be a great businessman and his lack of concern for screwing over others if it benefits him. His lack of understanding of economics is highlighted in other ways. For example, Trump’s claim the “Mexico will pay for the wall.” This is either a lie, incredibly stupid, insane, or some combination of those. Trump is proposing a “tariff” on Mexican goods to pay for the wall. That is nothing more than a targeted tax that will be paid by Americans who buy Mexican goods. In other words, Americans will pay for the wall.

    As for RINO that describes Trump, however, I think Trump knows he’s not a conservative/republican.

  • Stephen

    “Yet his supporters *inexplicably* take him at his word …”

    If moonbattery.com was an honest analyst and not a 3rd rate propagandist this wouldn’t be such a mystery to him. One reason many of his supporters take him at his word is because his supporters are human beings and as such are prone to behaving like humans. Once a human being commits to something he’s greatly inclined to filter for information that supports his commitment and dismiss other information. Trump had them at America First, and that’s that.

    So much for the rank and file, what about the smarter and more savvy set? The short answer is Pascal’s Wager (hat tip to Peter Brimelow for that one), and I just happened to read a longer answer this morning, here:

    http://www.claremont.org/crb/basicpage/the-flight-93-election/

  • MAS

    Would you buy a used car from this man? Seems many are just dull enough to do so…even though the facts show that Honest Don isn’t.

  • Agrippa

    Trump, unfortunately, is the Repube candidate — hate to tell ‘ya. The alternative is so incomprehensibly horrible, and the “also-rans” so worthless, there really is no f’in choice, now, is there? Keep the Senate and the House, vote for Trumpy (hold your stomach contents if you have to), and work to see he performs as conservatively as possible (you can still speak out, which right you will doubtless lose if the Hildabeast ever gets to the WH).

  • KirklesWorth

    Would you let that woman run the country?

  • 762×51

    What’s the matter fascist? He need your approval to post now? Do we need to get our posts pre-approved by you and your army of winged Trumpanzees? You and the Gestapo are’t quite running things just yet, kleines SS-Rottenführer.

    Hall Monitor JerkoffsWorth.
    HOA President JerkoffsWorth.
    Always looking for someone to “report” to authorities.
    Little petty tyrant fuck.

    Aren’t you supposed to be working on growing some balls so you can face me in combat, not stinking up the Internet? Don’t waste all day reporting people on Facebook.

    You got your tie too short, Adolf.

  • Texas12

    Mas, I know that you are Pro-Life as I am. My comparison of the two candidates leads me to vote for Trump. Yes, Trump has bought the lie about the value of the “health screenings” that Planned Parenthood provides. However, he is now Pro-Life and has promised to nominate Pro-Life Judges like Scalia to the Supreme Court. OTH, Hillary is an ardent admirer of Margret Sanger and Planned Parenthood and supports Abortion on Demand. She will nominate extreme liberal judges that will not only strongly support abortion but will also have new interpretations of the Constitution that will restrict basic rights such as free speech and gun ownership.

  • kirklesworthPettyTyrant

    tRump – Another case of a Fascist Progressive 5th column trying to force a Progressive candidate on Conservatives and failing to get him elected. This is your third failure in a row, really shallow learning curve you have there, Adolf.

  • KirklesWorth

    No, Trump is proposing using seized drug cartel money to pay for the wall.

    Business is risk and sometimes those risks fail and bankruptcies happen. Do you want Trump or Hillary to be in charge when you have Obama’s example of what the left will do bankruptcy-wise (setting aside the GM bailout) just on “green energy”:

    Evergreen Solar ($25 million), SpectraWatt ($500,000), Solyndra ($535 million), Beacon Power ($43 million), Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million), SunPower ($1.2 billion), First Solar ($1.46 billion),
    Babcock and Brown ($178 million), EnerDel’s subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million), Amonix ($5.9 million), Fisker Automotive ($529 million), Abound Solar ($400 million), A123 Systems ($279 million), Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($700,981), Johnson Controls ($299 million), Brightsource ($1.6 billion), ECOtality ($126.2 million), Raser Technologies ($33 million), Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million), Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million), Olsen’s Crop Service and Olsen’s Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million), Range Fuels ($80 million), Thompson River Power ($6.5 million), Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million), Azure Dynamics ($5.4 million), GreenVolts ($500,000), Vestas ($50 million), LG Chem’s subsidiary Compact Power ($151 million), Nordic Windpower ($16 million), Navistar ($39 million), Satcon ($3 million), Konarka Technologies Inc. ($20 million),
    Mascoma Corp. ($100 million)

    Do you know Hillary is a progressive-liberal-socialist criminal?

  • 762×51

    Weird, everyone thinks the exact same thing about you, except you would be more of a pathetic, toothless, rat pussy.

  • KirklesWorth

    Why are you wasting time here when you should be planning your civil war and how you will exterminate your “enemies” you progressive fascist? We all know that is why you are attacking Trump to get Hillary elected.

  • 762×51

    LOSER, LOSER, AAAAWWWWWWWKKKKK!!

    Squawk like your cult leader some more, little pussy parrot.

  • 762×51

    That is why I do what I do to them. I’m not going to waste my time trying to have a conversation with a totalitarian Progressive, they are targets awaiting engagement, nothing more.

  • 762×51

    The dumpster fire is a good idea but how do we get them all in there together, first?

    That is the only flaw in your plan. Once they’re in there a little thermite would rid us of a lot of evil. Ok, a LOT of thermite . . . and some WP.

  • Grumpy Cat

    They’d rather be on their knees for Hillary than stand like a man for Trump.

  • 762×51

    Perhaps he should be careful what he wishes for?

  • Grumpy Cat

    Internet time at PDX Florence!

  • Smith and Wesson and Me

    You beat your head on the wall of your prison cell at PDX Florence every minute between “Internet time” in frustration just waiting to read his next comment.

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  • Nobama

    I see nothing has changed here at MB. Here’s a clue http://amgreatness.com/2016/09/05/flight-93-election/

    2016 is the Flight 93 election: charge the cockpit or you die. You may die anyway. You—or the leader of your party—may make it into the cockpit and not know how to fly or land the plane. There are no guarantees.

    Except one: if you don’t try, death is certain. To compound the metaphor: a Hillary Clinton presidency is Russian Roulette with a semi-auto. With Trump, at least you can spin the cylinder and take your chances.

    To ordinary conservative ears, this sounds histrionic. The stakes can’t be that high because they are never that high—except perhaps in the pages of Gibbon. Conservative intellectuals will insist that there has been no “end of history” and that all human outcomes are still possible. They will even—as Charles Kesler does—admit that America is in “crisis.” But how great is the crisis? Can things really be so bad if eight years of Obama can be followed by eight more of Hillary, and yet Constitutionalist conservatives can still reasonably hope for a restoration of our cherished ideals? Cruz in 2024!

    Also see http://www.vdare.com/posts/american-greatnesss-decius-to-nevertrumpers-2016-is-the-flight-93-election

  • 762×51

    You realize that all you do now is call me what I have already identified you as being? Essentially, your entire argument boils down to “I know you are but what am I”. What are you, 10?

    Let’s go over this one more time:

    You support and advocate for a Progressive candidate, I oppose a Progressive candidate.

    You demand everyone swear loyalty to you and your cult and its leader, or else. I choose or else and offer to stop your campaign of totalitarianism in the only way totalitarianism can be stopped, with force, just as was in 1776.

    You don’t give a damn about personal liberty and try to take away everyone else’s right to their beliefs. I have put my life on the line for freedom, even yours, and have sworn to support and defend the Constitution.

    That makes YOU the Progressive fascist and me the Constitutional Conservative. Try to get it right, Adolf Alinsky.

    I’m attacking tRump because he is Progressive douche bag, like you. Personally, I’m hoping to see the aneurysm in Hillary’s head explode on Nov 7th., that way all her years of scheming will be for nothing and she will never know if she did it or not, fitting. But just because I don’t want Hitler doesn’t mean I want Stalin, idiot. Your childish analysis fails all across the spectrum.

  • TED

    SO, back to your usual seat at The Daily Krap you go! Ba Bye!! 😎

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  • 762×51

    You beat your pud daily while watching gay porn in your Moms basement, asshole. You don’t mean a thing to me, you’re just a target awaiting engagement and when that time arrives all I will feel is recoil..

  • Nobama

    Unlike you, I’m going to storm the cockpit. Nothing to lose at this point.

  • TED

    http://i.imgur.com/Rznpyhs.jpg THAT INCLUDES BROWNSHIRTS ALSO!

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  • 762×51

    You ever wonder why the then Democrat Trump didn’t try to defeat Hillary in the Democrat primaries if he was so confident he could win?

    I mean, what would Soros care, he owns them both.

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  • 762×51

    So sorry about your rash, Proggie douche bag. Next time, make your asshumper wear a condom at the bath house.

  • 762×51

    So, Grumpy Cat, Troll Maggot, how many other troll names do you use, scumbag?

  • Nobama

    You really believe all these silly cartoons are going to help stop her from getting elected?

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  • 762×51

    ROFL, you two chickenshits talking all tough, “like a man, for tRump”, LMAO, stop, I can’t breathe.

    The two of you together have less than one complete testicle. Let’s hear that big talk again, it cracks me up!

    Hey dick breath, how about a little fire fight, let’s see how much of a man your are! ROTFLMFAO!!!!! OMG, this is priceless!

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  • 762×51

    You really should practice more because you suck at this, Adolf Jr.

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  • Kevcar

    OK, I admit, that was funny 🙂

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  • 762×51

    You have to cut them some slack. Polishing the turd called tRump is a full time job. They were up late, Ok, they were rubbing wieners, not polishing tRump but still . . .

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  • 762×51

    In Progressive ideology:

    lies are truth, men are women, bad is good, failure(bankruptcy) is success(Presidency), climate change is racist, marriage is for two men also for two women also for animals and plants but marriage between one man and one woman is racist, homophobic mysogynist oppression; corruption is a plus, honesty is a minus, deportation means amnesty, free trade means tariffs, abortion is good, selling infant body parts is good, exposing and opposing the trafficking in human baby body parts is bad, selling American national assets(uranium) is legal, refusing to buy your mandated healthcare from a government approved company is illegal, breaking into the country is legal, stopping people from breaking into the country is illegal, killing cops is good, killing terrorists is bad, etc., etc., etc.

    Of course they are saying bankruptcy equals success, they are Progressives backing a Progressive candidate.

  • TED

    You ASSHOLES are SO boring!!! 😎 ROTFLMAO!!!!

  • Stosh

    This thread and comments go a long way in proving SMoD as the only rational choice…

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  • KirklesWorth

    Funny, I don’t find getting crushed by a meteor nor the concept that getting crushed by a meteor is a “choice” is rational at all.

  • Kevcar

    If you save your brass and reload, you can improve accuracy and save money!

  • So we can agree that both candidates are unfit for the position. But the harsh reality is that, as bad as they are, one or the other WILL become our next president.
    Being forced to select between a crook who promises things I do not support or an unscrupulous person who promises things I do support, voting for Trump is the only possible choice.
    Trust, you say? Trust has little to do with anything, as anyone old enough to vote should know not to trust ANY politician. Ever.

  • geeknerd

    Yet, every election cycle the GOP gives us a worse and worse candidates, and expects us to vote for him because the alternative is worse. From GHW Bush calling conservatism unkind and un-compassionate, through, through McCain’s RINO-ism and Romney’s soft version of Obamacare, to Trump! They keep getting worse and worse. What kind of monster will the GOP give us next time?

  • KirklesWorth

    Conservatives didn’t vote McCain – got Obama.
    Conservatives didn’t vote Romney – got Obama
    Conservatives don’t vote Trump – get Hillary.

    What’s so hard to understand in this scenario? Who are the ones not learning from history here? How many failures do we permit as the country continues it’s downward slide leftward? And if Hillary becomes president, will we be invaded with illegal democrats and never see anything conservative again?

  • Stosh

    It would happen in a flash….wouldn’t take the couple years Killary or Chump would require.

  • KirklesWorth

    If you say so. Pardon me if I don’t consider that a “rational choice” and vote to defeat Hillary anyway.

  • J.j. Cintia

    Trump may not be conservative, but neither was Romney, or McCain, or George W. or Bob Dull. Its not conservatism that you care about, its globalism. Like Reagan, Trump wants to put America First. This is hardly extreme, but I suppose you get money to be cheerleaders for globalists don’t you? You are not conservatives either. All those other “moderate” Republican RINOS weren’t conservative either. McCain actually went after his VP Sarah Palin instead of Obama. Its not the first time that these RINOs attack the right and not the left.

  • Nobama

    What’s boring is your endless postings of semi-intelligent memes and childish cartoons in the Comments section. Just another reason why I quit coming to this site.

  • KirklesWorth

    The interesting thing is that according to InsideGov.com, Reagan was the second most conservative (modern) president next to George W. Bush.

    #1 – George W. Bush Score: 6.8
    #2 – Ronald Reagan Score: 5.8

  • Stephen

    I saw this today as well courtesy of Vox Day I believe. This was very well done, but to be fair there have been variations of this argument for months and months.

    Moonbattery.com is ignorant of arguments such as these (or perhaps he prefers to address strawmen, I’m being charitable by assuming he’s ignorant). At least he is making progress on immigration–one would not go to such an effort to make the case that you cannot trust what Trump says without tacitly conceding that Trump is saying some good things.

    I thought Peter Brimelow at VDare summed up the case for voting Trump very nicely with “Pascal’s Wager”, in other words:

    –If it’s Hillary, we get the Hillary immigration platform which is virtually indistinguishable from the Republican position for the last 30 years.
    –If Trump is being 100% dishonest on his signature issue, we get the Republican position which is indistinguishable from Hillary’s platform.
    –If Trump is substantially being honest, we get a wall, a massive boost to ICE morale, a reduction in legal immigration, etc., etc….all things we could not expect from any other candidate.

    The rational thing to do then (if you sincerely think immigration is a very important matter) is vote Trump — you have nothing to lose if he’s lying and a lot to gain if he’s not.

    This argument, though perfectly rational, doesn’t persuade many Conservatives and the reason is obvious — they don’t sincerely think immigration is a very important matter. It’s a token issue for them, less important than emminent domain or ethanol subsidies.

  • TeutonicNight4893

    “A crook who promises things I do not support, or
    an unscrupulous person who promises things I do support”

    Nailed it.

    It’s a choice between a beast who you know will deliver on destruction, or a perceived liar whom you doubt will deliver on restoration.

    As I’m not keen on National suicide yet, I’ll be voting for Trump.

  • ramrodd

    What Do Paganized Conservatives Mean By “Respect For The Law”?
    | Fire Breathing Christian

    Well, what they usually mean is this: The American State must be respected and obeyed as the ultimate definer of what is legal and illegal.

    What the American State calls legal is legal.
    What the American State calls illegal is illegal. And that’s that.

    There’s no legitimate basis upon which to reject what the American State has deemed to be law at any given moment, and the American State is perfectly
    entitled to change its mind as to what is legal and what is illegal as frequently as it likes, of course.

    This is Statism, the presently (though temporarily) ruling religion in America. The worship of the State as God in practice is what we do here in “the land of the free” and the home of the NSA.

    So the next time you hear Donald Trump or some other American Statist howl on
    about the importance of “the law”, ask yourself: What does he (or she) mean by that, exactly?

    The answer to this question is very important.

    http://www.firebreathingchristian.com/archives/13571

  • ramrodd

    Trump Vows to Trash the Constitution – Hit & Run : Reason.com

    Pence has it wrong: The US Constitution and the Quran/Sharia are
    conflicting Documents..

    There you have it. Trump freely admits that he won’t let the Constitution
    and its pesky limits on government power get in the way of his agenda.

    The idea that the Constitution “is not a suicide pact” has always been the
    last refuge for the worst sort of censors, warmongers, and authoritarians
    throughout U.S. history. Just think about all the ways in which this line of
    thinking might be used to obliterate constitutional rights:

    Mr. President, you can’t declare war unilaterally. That power resides in
    Congress. “The Constitution is not a suicide pact.”

    Mr. President, you can’t censor the internet. “The Constitution is not a
    suicide pact.”

    Mr. President, you can’t forcibly shutter houses of worship. “The
    Constitution is not a suicide pact.”

    Mr. President, you can’t outlaw the private ownership of guns. “The
    Constitution is not a suicide pact.”

    Mr. President, you can’t take private property for public use without paying
    just compensation. “The Constitution is not a suicide pact.”

    Mr. President, you can’t order American forces to commit acts of torture and
    other war crimes. “The Constitution is not a suicide pact.”

    Congratulations, Republicans. This is your presumptive nominee for the
    presidency of the United States.

    http://reason.com/blog/2016/07/18/trump-vows-to-trash-the-constitution-in

  • ramrodd

    Trump – illegal aliens you want to give a “Merit System” have…

    Before
    an illegal alien receives his/her first paycheck or cash payment, they have
    committed some 26 Federal, State and Local laws.
    1.
    They conspire to cross the border illegally. (1 count)
    2.
    They hire a coyote or are provided passage by a Drug Cartel in exchange for
    guided passage into the USA. (1 count)
    3.
    They cross the Border with a coyote and in many cases smuggle drugs. (1
    count)
    4.
    They travel, illegally, to their destination or to a destination determined by
    their “smuggler.” (1 count)
    5.
    They obtain fraudulent documents via identity theft, or via manufactured
    documents….driver license, green card, social security card, birth certificate
    (each count a felony). (4 counts)

    6.
    They look for work using these documents. (1 count)
    7.
    They fill out work documents falsely, i.e., Federal and State IRS forms, SSN
    forms, Immigration forms, Workers comp. forms (each a separate felony. (6
    counts)
    8.
    They drive on our roads without a legal license, registration, insurance. (3
    counts)
    9.
    They get paid via check or under the table, thus conspiring with the employer to
    defraud the government(s) via the use of false documents. (2 counts)
    10.
    They open bank accounts via the use of false documents in violation of Federal
    Law and the Patriot Act. (2 counts)
    11.
    They obtain housing via the use of false documents. (1 count)
    12.
    They obtain a car or truck via the use of false documents. (1 count)
    13.
    They obtain healthcare via the use of false documents. (1 count)
    14.
    They secure public service benefits via the use of false documents – food,
    housing, healthcare, etc. (3 + counts)

    At
    a minimum this list shows that they commit at least 28 crimes of identity theft,
    conspiracy, obtaining false documents making false statements, fraud, violation
    of Federal and State and Local laws, etc.

    AND
    THE LIST GOES ON.

    The
    above list correctly demonstrates that they are not simply in violation of our
    laws just for crossing the Border, they are in violation for multiple
    misdemeanor and criminal acts in just a very short period of time and they
    continue to compound their violations via the passage of time, via falsification
    of documents, false statements, perjury and the list goes
    on.

  • Torcer

    Perhaps it should look at how many articles of Comrade Clinton it’s recommended.. or even posted.

    And once again we see that it can’t even answer that question.
    But instead it has to pile more falsehoods upon it’s previous falsehoods.

    You do have to wonder if it abides the Ten Commandments.

    KirklesWorth Just keep trying to make the issue about me instead of your anti-Trump obsession for your unclear goal(s).

    Once again we see that it simply repeats the charge without backing it up with FACTS

    KirklesWorth (1) why are you sabotaging Trump?
    (2) what are your end goals of Trump’s defeat?

    And again it repeats the unproven charge

    KirklesWorth “Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor” is both a lie

    one of the commandments is a Lie?

    KirklesWorth and hypocritical.

    And once AGAIN it makes a charge without evidence

    KirklesWorth What is the “falsehood” I am “pushing”?

    Here it should refer to it’s false charges – Of course it should know this – and it would be supremely sad if it didn’t.

    Perhaps it should look at how many articles of Comrade Clinton it’s recommended.. or even posted.

    KirklesWorth Are you saying that you don’t suggest almost three times as many Trump articles as Hillary?

    Having read my previous comment it should know the answer to that.

    In case it didn’t realize it – We live in a free country for now and I don’t enumerate how many articles on certain subjects I post – I just calls them like I see ’em as they say.

    To make it CLEAR to everyone, this is not about the various types of aspersions it wishes to cast upon others or the furthering or repeating of falsehoods.

    This is about IT’S actions, or in this case..Inaction.

    Clearly it cannot accede to the conversation verging into the dangerous territory

    IT cannot allow the conversation to turn to what IT hasn’t done, so it has to keep on repeating the same mantra to avoid the subject.

  • Torcer

    Perhaps one very important task to be undertaken ( aside from the GOP..) would be to take steps to avoid this situation in the future.

    This would entail only nominating person of good character and principles along with keeping the national socialist left from influencing the process.

  • Torcer

    Note that they are all concerned about Comrade Clinton but how many articles about her have they recommended?

  • Torcer

    Look at what animates them – Kirkles et al. are displaying a very authoritarian bent.
    It’s supposed to be a free-country where one can recommend or post whatever they want, and yet Kirkles et al. want that everyone accede to their demands or else that are and repeatedly incessantly attacked with all manner of childish invective and false charges.

  • Torcer

    The evidence at hand from this thread is that there is none, given that many of the GOP have adopted the Alinsky tactics of the left.

  • Torcer

    America Is Headed Into Wickedness
    Two stories dot the beginning of the home stretch, marked by the passing of Labor Day, in this presidential race. First, Donald Trump’s running mate, Mike Pence, promised to release his tax returns and also promised Trump would release his when the IRS audit is complete. Second, Hillary Clinton’s hole into Wonderland is much deeper than the FBI is willing to admit.

    Trump’s tax returns will never be made public.

    Last March, as Trump made a swing through Washington, D.C., to show off his under-construction Trump International a few blocks from the White House, he gave an ill-advised speech to AIPAC–the American Israel Public Affairs Committee. As the speech began, a 41-year-old rabbi wearing a tallit (a prayer shawl) stood and shouted “This man is wicked. He inspires racists and bigots. He encourages violence. Do not listen to him.”

    Rabbi Shmuel Herzfeld later told The Washington Post, “With every cell in my body I felt the obligation as a rabbi to declare his wickedness to the world.” An Old Testament prophet could not have given a better word.

    Clinton used spy craft to cover her own trail. She switched out cell phones every few days at times. In at least two instances, the old phones were destroyed using a hammer. The technical staff Clinton paid to manage her personal servers used BleachBit–a government-grade data wood chipper–to erase her mail archives just a month after telling the FBI in February 2015 that “he did not recall conducting deletions.”
    [..]
    It seems that no matter what individual voters do at this point, our country is headed toward wickedness.

    To borrow a line from my old favorite, Star Trek: The Next Generation: In an episode where “Q” was expelled from his omnipotent order and made a mortal, he tried to convince the Enterprise crew he wasn’t lying about being just a lowly human. “What must I do to convince you people?” “Die,” Worf shot back.

    What would it take for Trump or Clinton to convince me they’re not wicked? Should either of them quit the race, then I’d at least consider the possibility.
    http://theresurgent.com/america-is-headed-into-wickedness/

  • Torcer

    OPEN LETTER TO PROVO AND UTAH RESIDENTS
    September 3, 2016
    Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me. Did your mother teach you this also? Did you grow up believing in this motto like it was an all-powerful shield against bullies and trolls? All my life I walked around with at least some sense of confidence that words couldn’t hurt me.

    I’m rubber, you’re glue

    Whatever you say

    bounces off me

    and sticks to you.

    For the seven years I’ve been mayor I have certainly had my fair share of complaints. I’ve read some heated emails. I’ve been called a plethora of names (believe me, I understand that comes with the job) but for most of the time I have been blessed to be the recipient of kindness and goodwill. Even in the face of strong disagreement we have come together with civility to work out our differences.

    But recently I have noticed that the tide seems to be turning in public dialogue. Like a sewer leak deep beneath the surface, I feel a coarseness invading so many aspects of our lives. Even in our safe haven of Provo – a place known around the world for its kindness and concern of others.

    For example, recently I received an email message from a citizen that ended with this line: “please … let [this] be the issue that sinks the mayor and his … awful arrogant deputy. Oh please oh please let them both be stripped of their clothing and carried out of the building …”

    Similar to this email, in the last month I’ve heard accusations and disparaging comments of a very different nature than previous public dialogue. Engagement on all platforms—from social media to civic meetings are more sarcastic, biting, impatient, rude, aggressive and often all too personal. In the years of being mayor, I can strongly say this surge of negativity is not normal for our community.

    So what’s going on?

    I believe a majority of this comes from top down. Much of it has to do with the trickle-down effect of the conversation happening on the national stage. As we listen to those who have platforms as presidential candidates, we hear them use words that tend to be more cutting, more personal, more filled with spite.

    The disparaging remarks in our own community are echoes of what we hear every single time we turn on the news, read the paper, or scroll through our Twitter timelines. It’s almost always there when we engage in a presidential discussion. Name-calling, bigotry, hate, attacks. The leaders on our national stage insist on using more and more syllables to pollute the air with words that incite, provoke and demean.

    Not only do we need to worry about Supreme Court nominations, the economy and war, we now need to worry about the impact of negativity. From what I’m seeing in the community it’s as if the two candidates from the major political parties have issued us all a license to be rude without the thought of consequence.

    I’m personally calling on our national leaders to understand how their contaminated actions and words seep into our local constituencies and how much we suffer because of it. I’m calling for a more civil discussion on issues like health care, immigration, national security, and jobs. We need them to take responsibility for changing the public discourse not only nationally but everywhere—in our states, cities, and homes.

    I also call upon my fellow local elected leaders and residents to be that voice of civility. As a county, state, and community, we need more unity and less divide.

    If we can’t expect decency from the top – let’s start it from the bottom.

    Despite what our well-intentioned mothers taught us, words do hurt. They hurt all of us. Although I’ve experienced years of decent discourse I worry those days are over. We have a lot to lose in this election, let’s not lose our hearts as well.

    John Curtis – Provo City Mayor
    http://provomayor.com/2016/09/03/open-letter-provo-utah-residents/

  • Torcer

    How many Billions in free-media did he have?

  • Torcer

    The Truth Comes Out As CNN Admits They Are Going Easy On Donald Trump
    By Jason Easley on Tue, Sep 6th, 2016

    CNN’s Dana Bash said what many voters have long suspected. The media has lowered the bar for Donald Trump and goes easier on him with their coverage because they expect less out of the GOP nominee.

    Video:

    CNN reporter: The expectations are higher for Hillary Clinton because Donald Trump is a first time politician. pic.twitter.com/RVElHgoICC
    — John Whitehouse (@existentialfish) September 6, 2016

    Bash was talking about the presidential debates when she provided a perfect example of the media’s double standard in the way they cover Trump and Clinton.

    Dana Bash said, “I think the stakes are much higher in this debate and all the debates for Hillary Clinton because the expectations are higher for her because she’s a seasoned politician. She’s a seasoned debater. You know, yes we saw Donald Trump in the primaries debate for the first time, but he is a first-time politician. So um, for lots of reasons. Maybe it’s not fair, but that’s the way it is. The onus is on her.”

    Since when does being a first-time candidate mean that the media expects less and grades on a curve?
    http://www.politicususa.com/2016/09/06/truth-cnn-admits-easy-donald-trump.html

  • Torcer

    WATCH: Morning Mika calls out CNN poll, says Trump is actually LOSING in that poll
    Today on Morning Joe, Morning Mika said that yesterday’s CNN poll which put Trump ahead of Hillary by two among likely voters is likely very wrong. Once they adjusted the poll to match 2012’s electorate, Trump fell behind Hillary by four points:
    https://t.co/pEdaH1LX12
    http://therightscoop.com/watch-morning-mika-calls-out-cnn-poll-says-trump-is-actually-losing-in-that-poll/

  • Cruz Control

    Ah, Funkenstein Twister finally carries out his daily DNC marching orders.

  • Cruz Control

    “Ted” is going to be searching his ass for cartoons as the ship goes down.

  • Cruz Control

    Hi, Funkenstein “Twister”!

    I live in your head.

  • EtoculusDei

    He spent 800K to ya’ll’s 160 Million. How much free-media did he need….LOL?? Besides….every time the media mentioned TRUMP they were mentioning Bush, Cruz or Kasich too. How come it only helped TRUMP???

    TRUMP in 2016

  • Cruz Control

    7.62 IQ finally gets Internet access at PDX Florence!

  • Cruz Control

    Not as many as you Funkenstein.

  • Cruz Control

    7.62 IQ is on a roll! Adolf Jr. So original!

  • Cruz Control

    7.62 IQ, Funkenstein, Condom Man, Occam’s Spastic Colon, how many do you use?

  • archerb

    Globalist? Do you even know what that means? A globalist wants to bring the entire world under one supreme government. I keep hearing conspiracy nuts like you call everyone a globalist, yet we still have our own, sovereign government. You like to point to GHWBush saying “New World Order” because you are so paranoid, you actually think he meant a world wide government. You’re not sane enough to realize that he was talking about free nations who respect human rights joining together to keep brutal dictators in check.
    Sorry Alex Jones, but if the world was anything close to what you keep claiming, the half of the population in on the conspiracy would have already locked your half up in FEMA Camps.

  • Torcer

    Are you this childish in real life or is this you do only for the ‘benefit’ of those here?

  • Grumpy Cat

    “You’re a doody-head! You’re a doody-head! I’m telling mooooooom!”

  • Grumpy Cat
  • Grumpy Cat
  • Torcer

    Answer the question Please..

  • Torcer

    I would suggest that you at least try to sound as though you are making a cogent point..

  • Torcer

    OPEN LETTER TO PROVO AND UTAH RESIDENTS
    September 3, 2016
    Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me. Did your mother teach you this also? Did you grow up believing in this motto like it was an all-powerful shield against bullies and trolls? All my life I walked around with at least some sense of confidence that words couldn’t hurt me.

    I’m rubber, you’re glue

    Whatever you say

    bounces off me

    and sticks to you.

    For the seven years I’ve been mayor I have certainly had my fair share of complaints. I’ve read some heated emails. I’ve been called a plethora of names (believe me, I understand that comes with the job) but for most of the time I have been blessed to be the recipient of kindness and goodwill. Even in the face of strong disagreement we have come together with civility to work out our differences.

    But recently I have noticed that the tide seems to be turning in public dialogue. Like a sewer leak deep beneath the surface, I feel a coarseness invading so many aspects of our lives. Even in our safe haven of Provo – a place known around the world for its kindness and concern of others.

    For example, recently I received an email message from a citizen that ended with this line: “please … let [this] be the issue that sinks the mayor and his … awful arrogant deputy. Oh please oh please let them both be stripped of their clothing and carried out of the building …”

    Similar to this email, in the last month I’ve heard accusations and disparaging comments of a very different nature than previous public dialogue. Engagement on all platforms—from social media to civic meetings are more sarcastic, biting, impatient, rude, aggressive and often all too personal. In the years of being mayor, I can strongly say this surge of negativity is not normal for our community.

    So what’s going on?

    I believe a majority of this comes from top down. Much of it has to do with the trickle-down effect of the conversation happening on the national stage. As we listen to those who have platforms as presidential candidates, we hear them use words that tend to be more cutting, more personal, more filled with spite.

    The disparaging remarks in our own community are echoes of what we hear every single time we turn on the news, read the paper, or scroll through our Twitter timelines. It’s almost always there when we engage in a presidential discussion. Name-calling, bigotry, hate, attacks. The leaders on our national stage insist on using more and more syllables to pollute the air with words that incite, provoke and demean.

    Not only do we need to worry about Supreme Court nominations, the economy and war, we now need to worry about the impact of negativity. From what I’m seeing in the community it’s as if the two candidates from the major political parties have issued us all a license to be rude without the thought of consequence.

    I’m personally calling on our national leaders to understand how their contaminated actions and words seep into our local constituencies and how much we suffer because of it. I’m calling for a more civil discussion on issues like health care, immigration, national security, and jobs. We need them to take responsibility for changing the public discourse not only nationally but everywhere—in our states, cities, and homes.

    I also call upon my fellow local elected leaders and residents to be that voice of civility. As a county, state, and community, we need more unity and less divide.

    If we can’t expect decency from the top – let’s start it from the bottom.

    Despite what our well-intentioned mothers taught us, words do hurt. They hurt all of us. Although I’ve experienced years of decent discourse I worry those days are over. We have a lot to lose in this election, let’s not lose our hearts as well.

    John Curtis – Provo City Mayor
    http://provomayor.com/2016/09/03/open-letter-provo-utah-residents/

  • EtoculusDei

    Here is your Answer. Anyone who invites a poster to an argument and has a PRIVATE profile is a pathetic internet troll. He is a man…who faced with a million better choices….chooses to spend his entire day arguing with strangers on the internet. Have you ever considered how pathetic THAT is. YOU are a man who would argue all day with a stranger……over which side of a cue ball is more round. What butt cake you are. I think we’re done here.

    TROLL TRASH ALERT
    DONT FEED IT
    BEAT IT

  • Torcer

    Having trouble with the reality that trump had Billions of Free-media?

    BTW, I’ve often found that those who use that term are more likely appropriately worthy of it.

    OPEN LETTER TO PROVO AND UTAH RESIDENTS
    September 3, 2016
    Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me. Did your mother teach you this also? Did you grow up believing in this motto like it was an all-powerful shield against bullies and trolls? All my life I walked around with at least some sense of confidence that words couldn’t hurt me.

    I’m rubber, you’re glue

    Whatever you say

    bounces off me

    and sticks to you.

    For the seven years I’ve been mayor I have certainly had my fair share of complaints. I’ve read some heated emails. I’ve been called a plethora of names (believe me, I understand that comes with the job) but for most of the time I have been blessed to be the recipient of kindness and goodwill. Even in the face of strong disagreement we have come together with civility to work out our differences.

    But recently I have noticed that the tide seems to be turning in public dialogue. Like a sewer leak deep beneath the surface, I feel a coarseness invading so many aspects of our lives. Even in our safe haven of Provo – a place known around the world for its kindness and concern of others.

    For example, recently I received an email message from a citizen that ended with this line: “please … let [this] be the issue that sinks the mayor and his … awful arrogant deputy. Oh please oh please let them both be stripped of their clothing and carried out of the building …”

    Similar to this email, in the last month I’ve heard accusations and disparaging comments of a very different nature than previous public dialogue. Engagement on all platforms—from social media to civic meetings are more sarcastic, biting, impatient, rude, aggressive and often all too personal. In the years of being mayor, I can strongly say this surge of negativity is not normal for our community.

    So what’s going on?

    I believe a majority of this comes from top down. Much of it has to do with the trickle-down effect of the conversation happening on the national stage. As we listen to those who have platforms as presidential candidates, we hear them use words that tend to be more cutting, more personal, more filled with spite.

    The disparaging remarks in our own community are echoes of what we hear every single time we turn on the news, read the paper, or scroll through our Twitter timelines. It’s almost always there when we engage in a presidential discussion. Name-calling, bigotry, hate, attacks. The leaders on our national stage insist on using more and more syllables to pollute the air with words that incite, provoke and demean.

    Not only do we need to worry about Supreme Court nominations, the economy and war, we now need to worry about the impact of negativity. From what I’m seeing in the community it’s as if the two candidates from the major political parties have issued us all a license to be rude without the thought of consequence.

    I’m personally calling on our national leaders to understand how their contaminated actions and words seep into our local constituencies and how much we suffer because of it. I’m calling for a more civil discussion on issues like health care, immigration, national security, and jobs. We need them to take responsibility for changing the public discourse not only nationally but everywhere—in our states, cities, and homes.

    I also call upon my fellow local elected leaders and residents to be that voice of civility. As a county, state, and community, we need more unity and less divide.

    If we can’t expect decency from the top – let’s start it from the bottom.

    Despite what our well-intentioned mothers taught us, words do hurt. They hurt all of us. Although I’ve experienced years of decent discourse I worry those days are over. We have a lot to lose in this election, let’s not lose our hearts as well.

    John Curtis – Provo City Mayor
    http://provomayor.com/2016/09/03/open-letter-provo-utah-residents/

  • Cruz Control

    The point is:

    1. The DNC sends its “Army of Trolls” a daily email instructing them what links to copy and paste on Disqus comment boards like this along with “talking points”, supposedly witty retorts to real conservative men, like yours truly, Cruz Control.

    2. “Twister” AKA “Funkenstein” opens said email and follows instructions.

    3. She pastes links exactly per DNC marching orders.

    4. Creates screen shot and sends it to DNC HQ with a copy to Tides Foundation.

    5. Sits back, whacks off, throws a HotPocket in the microwave and waits for the 5 cents to be direct deposited.

  • Torcer

    So I take you have no compunction about spewing LIES then?

    Can you back up any of you spurious charges with Facts in the form of excerpts and links to proper reference sites?

  • Cruz Control

    “I live in your head!” -Funkenstien (you know, your sock puppet)

  • Grumpy Cat

    Sorry about the severe brain injury, dude. Next time, wear a helmet.

  • Dr. John Charles

    I’ve heard all these stories before, but you know what they’ve all come from #nevertrump moon bats, never from the people who were supposedly ripped off. Where are all these people? Why haven’t they come out in mass? What are their names? Such Bull Shit!

  • EtoculusDei

    TROLL TRASH ALERT
    DONT FEED IT
    BEAT IT!

  • J.j. Cintia

    Yeah nice try CIA guy. George W.’s Father did a Whole Speech about the New World Order during the Gulf War. Ted Cruz has a wife who works at Goldman-Sachs who wrote the outline for the North American Union. TTP is full of concessions which remove our sovereignty and hand powers to tax and regulate to unelected International Bureaucracies. Conspiracy Theory isn’t a good cover anymore, man. We can see the conspiracies now.

  • Grumpy Cat

    On second thought, skip the helmet. You’re way beyond repair.

  • Torcer

    Weren’t you leaving?

    It’s often been my experience that those who use such pejoratives are quite often merely projecting.

    Definition of troll
    Pronunciation: /trōl/
    1 informal make a deliberately offensive or provocative online posting with the aim of upsetting someone or eliciting an angry response from them: if people are obviously trolling then I’ll delete your posts and do my best to ban you [with object]:you folks taking this opportunity to troll me, you really need to reassess your values in your life
    1a person who makes a deliberately offensive or provocative online posting.
    informal a deliberately offensive or provocative online posting.
    Origin:late Middle English (in the sense ‘stroll, roll’): origin uncertain; compare with Old French troller ‘wander here and there (in search of game)’ and Middle High German trollen ‘stroll’
    http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/american_english/troll-2

  • Torcer

    So you don’t care about violating the Ten Commandments then?

    The ends justifies the means?

  • EtoculusDei

    PRIVATE PROFILE = COWARDLY TROLL TRASH
    TROLL TRASH ALERT
    DONT FEED IT
    BEAT IT!!!

  • Torcer

    Do you understand that YOU are the one acting that way?

  • EtoculusDei

    PRIVATE PROFILE = COWARDLY TROLL TRASH
    TROLL TRASH ALERT
    DONT FEED IT
    BEAT IT!!!!!!

  • Torcer

  • EtoculusDei

    PRIVATE PROFILE = COWARDLY TROLL TRASH TROLL TRASH ALERT DONT FEED IT BEAT IT!!!

  • Torcer

    Look in the mirror.

    Does it bother you that you are uninformed about the reality of the situation?

  • Torcer

    And you are posting vitriol in ALL CAPS….

    Did you read that piece I posted?

  • Torcer

    We tried to inform you that Donald is being favored by the media – during the primaries.

    TV News Touts Trump, Crushes Cruz and Gives Bernie a Shot at Hillary http://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/rich-noyes/2016/05/03/tv-news-touts-trump-crushes-cruz-and-gives-bernie-shot-hillary

    The Prime Time Primary: Trump vs. His Rivals on Cable News http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/rich-noyes/2016/04/18/prime-time-primary-trump-vs-his-rivals-fox-news-cnn-and-msnbc

    Trump Gets A Whopping 5 Times More Airtime Than Cruz On Major Networks | RedState http://www.redstate.com/brandon_morse/2016/04/04/trump-gets-whopping-5-times-airtime-cruz-major-networks/

    The Amazing Hannity/Trump Romance (VIDEO) | RedState http://www.redstate.com/leon_h_wolf/2016/04/04/amazing-hannitytrump-romance/

    Hot Mic Captures Trump Asking ‘Morning Joe’ Hosts For No ‘Too Hard’ Questions (AUDIO)
    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/morning-joe-hot-mic-trump-conversation

    Former CNN Anchor: Yes, TV Networks Deserve Blame for the Rise of Trump http://www.mediaite.com/tv/former-cnn-anchor-yes-tv-networks-deserve-blame-for-the-rise-of-trump/ via @mediaite

    The Prime Time Primary: Trump vs. His Rivals on Cable News http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/rich-noyes/2016/04/18/prime-time-primary-trump-vs-his-rivals-fox-news-cnn-and-msnbc

    Former CNN Anchor: Yes, TV Networks Deserve Blame for the Rise of Trump http://www.mediaite.com/tv/former-cnn-anchor-yes-tv-networks-deserve-blame-for-the-rise-of-trump/ via @mediaite

    Why I Blame TV for Trump http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/04/2016-donald-trump-blame-tv-cable-news-media-campbell-brown-campaign-cnn-fox-msnbc-213839

    Drudge goes all in for Trump http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/drudge-report-donald-trump-221857

    Voicemails Appear to Reveal Donald Trump’s Cozy Relationship With the Liberal Media
    http://gawker.com/voicemails-appear-to-reveal-donald-trumps-cozy-relation-1762690660

  • Torcer

    So the best you can offer are repeats of the same lies….

  • J.j. Cintia

    Are you a bot? Snide remarks aren’t an argument.

  • Azsteve53

    I have to agree, if there are so many Trump victims the MSM would be all over each and every one who came forward all day long. The real problem Trump has is his being a democrat for most of his life and for me that is an issue but he is still the only alternative to outright communism by the DNC or the Democrat National Communists.

    Your point is well taken.

  • Ed. G. Mann

    Torcer, you are the ultimate idiot. Phyllis Schlafly, the designer of all that is Conservative, labeled Trump as the standard bearer. Who are you to deny her creds? Just a punk is who with no creds to go forth running his mouth. Loser! Cruz loser and all that portends.

  • seaoh

    One of the last people on earth I would trust.

  • Azsteve53

    Agreed, Trump is a serious issue and anyone should have concerns. I hope that if he is elected that enough good people will keep him from doing anything stupid. If Clinton appoints two or three more liberal progressive SCOTUS members, this country will be dead, and just waiting to make it official some time in the future.

    Your points are well thought out and to the core of the issue, my hat is off to you.

  • Azsteve53

    Well said… we do not have the best option in Trump but I hope Trump can be made to work reasonably well, Hillary is death to the country

  • Azsteve53

    Well put, Pascals Wager is a good analogy of this race unfortunately Trump is the only choice. If elected he may surprise all of us, and I hope so.

    Good post,

  • Tom

    Oh, my…

  • Tom

    Wah Wah Wah…the mean words hurt.

  • Tom

    You know that picture is from a movie, right? A 76-year-old Charlie Chaplin comedy?
    How did you ever find time in your busy schedule to find that?

  • Tom

    yeah yeah blah blah blah…we’re all really tired of hearing your sniveling Ted-Love, and your empty bluster. You couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn even if you were IN THE BARN.

  • Tom

    So you admit you’re a murderous sociopath who would gun down your fellow Americans in cold blood, because thy had the audacity to support a candidate that you disagreed with.

    That’s how you see people at different points on the political spectrum than you? As targets?
    You are a sick bastard…no wonder you’re an angry virgin. No self-respecting woman in her right mind would want to associate with someone who views his fellow countrymen as mere targets to be killed, with no remorse or second thoughts.

  • Tom

    Why do you keep posting the whiny snivelings of the mayor of Provo, Utah? Nobody cares about the mayor of Provo…

  • Tom

    And it’s been my experience that someone who posts 125 times a day to disqus, 7 days a week, 365 days a year, is a paid shill.
    Who signs your paychecks?

  • Tom

    Wow…you’re really desperate, aren’t you? What’s the matter? No Soros-bonus for you if Trump wins?

  • Tom

    “shart”

  • Tom

    Agreed…where all these legions of people who these idiots say have been victimized by the mean old Mr. Trump? There should be thousands of “victims” out there…where are they?

  • Grumpy Cat

    He’s doing the bidding of his masters, Hillary and Soros.

  • Grumpy Cat

    But a string of them is what? A retards rambling in your case.

  • Occam’s Stubble

    The so-called opposition party controlled the House, Senate, and presidency from 2002-2007 and all we got was No Child Left Behind and Medicare, Part D, both of which were expansions of existing Democrat programs.

  • Occam’s Stubble

    Whither William F. Buckley? Ronald Reagan? Barry Goldwater?

  • EtoculusDei

    PRIVATE PROFILE = COWARDLY TROLL TRASH
    TROLL TRASH ALERT
    DONT FEED IT
    BEAT IT!!!!!!

  • Trump is NOT a conservative. Never was one and isn’t one now. He detests conservatives.

  • I love the Disqus “Block User” feature. Love. It.

    Ah, that feeling you get when you know you’ll never have to read another pointless comment from someone again . . .

  • 762×51

    Ahh, so at least four screen names, aren’t you just the prolific little fuck? So instead of ten or so Trumpanzee supporters stinking up this site, there are really only one or two major assholes creating all this stench.

    This is the exact same trick Progressives use everywhere to appear to have a larger presence and therefore more influence than what they really have. The media and entertainment industries give you fucktards a much bigger footprint than really exists. You actual size is more closely related to your small hands and other stuff.

  • 762×51

    Have for a long time.

  • 762×51

    Five screen names? Trolling must be very profitable for you chickenshit.

    How funny and very Alinsky-like of you to ascribe to me that which you do daily, Of course I don’t go after people who merely support a candidate, you slithering bag of dicks. You can believe what ever you want to believe, it is your demands for conformity to your Progressive religion and the attempted intimidation of others into that religion that crosses the Constitutional line, thereby making you an enemy of the United States. domestic variety. .

    You strut around here, and elsewhere I suppose, demanding we support your cult and its leader, or else. Well asshole, I am fully prepared and able to give you “or else” and you can’t handle that. You are only prepared to dish out verbal intimidation, I call you on that intimidation and am fully prepared to back it up out in the real world.

    Your opinion means as much to me as what I flushed this morning but your over inflated sense of entitlement to having your way, like any good Progressive makes you think others give a shit what you think of us, we don’t.

    What you call “sick bastard” we call duty, the duty to “close with, engage and destroy the enemies of the United States of America in close combat”. That is what I intend to do, ” support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic”.

    You have made a choice to become an enemy of the Constitution by your actions which seek to enslave, that’s what forcing others to accept your own beliefs is, slavery. I stand in defense of those people you would enslave and in defense of the Constitution. You assholes have started a civil war with your demands, not me so stick all that self -righteous bullshit back up your Progressive ass, otherwise, I shall have to do it for you, Brony Bitch.

  • 762×51

    By we, I assume you mean you and the one or two other tRump trolls, so what? Then leave dumbass. No one is forcing you Trumpanzee filth to remain here and no one would be sorry to see you leave. But fascists can’t abide knowing that someone, some where disagrees with them You must subjugate us all or you just cant be satisfied.

    You may test your assumption of my accuracy anytime you think you ready, Brony Bitch.neutral ground in a remote location, there are several suitable places in the western U.S.

    Putting you in the ground will be a public service.

  • pandelume .

    en masse, pal

  • KirklesWorth

    Thanks for proving my “ideological purity test” point. Just like you threw “Fox, Hannity, Coulter, Breitbart, Drudge, etc” under the bus.

    Do you mean Trump detest the so-called “conservatives” who bailed on him? Why do you think he is courting moderates?

  • Colonel_Bob

    Is that you, Alex Jones? Because it is sounding like you are reading from one of his articles.

  • Colonel_Bob

    What makes InsideGov.com the authoritative source for what is and what is not conservative?

  • KirklesWorth

    Got something better? Please share!

  • Colonel_Bob

    It is unfortunate that your mother never taught you that it is impolite to answer a question with a question.

    Your claim – you back it up.

  • KirklesWorth

    Nice try. Let me put it to you this way – I’m not your errand boy – figure it out yourself. It is more of an authoritative source than anything you have provided thus far.

    “InsideGov is a government research site that uses Graphiq’s semantic technology to deliver deep insights via data-driven articles, visualizations and research tools.”

  • LOL. I didn’t throw them anywhere, they dove under the bus. Coulter is a great example of someone getting what she deserved. Loved how Trump annihilated her entire book tour with one comment. What makes anyone think they can trust that guy? See Carson, Christie, Coulter, etc.

  • Colonel_Bob

    So you make these wild assertions and then accuse me of making you run “errands”..

    You really do not get it, do you?

    Insidegov.com is “a non-partisan effort by a team of established bloggers”.

    As I said, not authoritative.

  • KirklesWorth

    So, you consider this a “wild assertion”?

    The interesting thing is that according to InsideGov.com, Reagan was the second most conservative (modern) president next to George W. Bush.

    That comment is exactly right – no “wild assertions” on my part whatsoever.

    Whether you question the source is up to you – throwing accusations at InsideGov.com is not disproving them. So as it stands, InsideGov.com is a far more authoritative source than your non-existent counter-source.

  • Colonel_Bob

    So your clue-meter is on zero today.

    How about if I round up a bunch of folks from PMSNBC and ask them to rank the most conservative presidents? Would you consider that to be authoritative.

    BTW, Coolidge was more conservative than either of the aforementioned.

  • KirklesWorth

    LOL. I didn’t throw them anywhere, they dove under the bus.

    Thanks for proving my point again. You’ve admitted you’ll discard years or decades of conservative work over some sort of “conservative purity test” failure and cast them onto the “un-conservative” trash heap.

    Fortunately, your lack of loyalty doesn’t speak for all conservatives.

  • KirklesWorth

    So, you admit that I was correct and you were wrong about my “wild assertions” when I said:

    The interesting thing is that according to InsideGov.com, Reagan was the second most conservative (modern) president next to George W. Bush.

    Now you are changing focus and casting aspersions on InsideGov.com as though you are the arbiter of what is an “authoritative source”. Well, the citations are KirklesWorth 1, Colonel_Bob 0 whose only criticism is “a non-partisan effort by a team of established bloggers” – which doesn’t disprove a thing.

    But to answer your question, yes – please provide whatever source you would like that ranks conservative presidents so that we can compare. Thanks!

    BTW, interesting factoid about Coolidge who was president over nine decades ago.

  • Look, Trump is a Democrat. So yes, I have an ideological purity test: If you have the views of a Democrat, and are the greatest flip-flopper of all-time and serially incoherent then no, I won’t vote for you.

    If you can’t see that you are beyond my ability to help.

    Dear Disqus, thanks again for the “Block User” feature!

  • 762×51

    You are unworthy of original.

  • 762×51

    It’s this new thing just out called Google, you should really take a break from the gay porn and try and learn something about computers.

    I don’t care what the picture is from, it is befitting of your boyfriend, wrinkledick.

  • KirklesWorth

    You are emotionally compromised with anti-Trump hatred. According to InsideGov.com, Trump is moderately conservative, so the help that is needed is yours. Whether you decide to block my dose of reality is up to you.

  • Colonel_Bob

    Let me try to explain this so even you can understand it.

    A bunch of bloggers got together, talked among themselves and came up with a list.

    Do said bloggers have any unique qualifications to be included in this group? I do not know.

    How about you and I each start our own blogs and then we can get together and come up with our own list? It would be just as authoritative as the one you came up with.

    Just because someone starts a blog does not make them any more qualified than you or me.

    Yes, it does not disprove anything, but you should be intelligent to know that it is impossible to prove a negative.

  • KirklesWorth

    You didn’t confirm that you admit that I was correct and you were wrong about my “wild assertions” when I said:

    The interesting thing is that according to InsideGov.com, Reagan was the second most conservative (modern) president next to George W. Bush.

    I guess it is I that has to explain it to you. The truth is not determined by whether it is stated by a single blogger or a group of news veterans. Your genetic fallacy illustrated with your ad hominem attack on InsideGov.com doesn’t disprove anything. Their assertion would have to be disproved – not their ability and integrity questioned by you.

  • Colonel_Bob

    HOW OBTUSE ARE YOU??!!!!!

    IT IS A @$*& OPINION. THAT IS ALL!!!!!!!!!

  • KirklesWorth

    Are you irrational? Did you even look at their site to see how they came up with their conclusions? Of course you didn’t. I guess they just picked some numbers out of a hat and posted it on their website, right? Get a grip.

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  • Colonel_Bob

    G W Bush allowed Ted Kennedy to write the education reform bill and he signed it. Does that sound like a conservative to you?

    G W Bush vetoed 12 bills in 8 years, two of which both houses of Congress were Democratic controlled.

    Reagan vetoed 78 bills in 8 years during which time the Democrats controlled the House the entire time.

    The village idiot knows Reagan was more conservative than G W Bush, yet the authors of your precious web site do not.

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  • KirklesWorth

    You don’t even know what you are talking about: Reagan:

    Nearly tripled the deficit
    Gave amnesty to 3 million illegal immigrants
    Raised the debt ceiling 18 times
    Expanded gun sale background checks and an assault weapon ban
    Signed at least 5 tax increases (Alan Simpson says 11 times)
    Increased the Social Security tax rate
    Unemployment reached 10.8%
    Appointed liberal justice Anthony Kennedy
    Had “issues” with Israel
    Bailed out Social Security for $165 billion
    Was a union leader in the Screen Actors Guild
    Negotiated with and armed terrorists in the Iran-Contra Affair

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    http://i.imgur.com/hTTVjRA.png WHERE ARE THOSE LAUNCH CODE AGAIN???!!!

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    http://i.imgur.com/BnRT7DG.jpg YA KNOW, TYPICAL LEFTIST!

  • Colonel_Bob

    The list that you gave me was compiled by ONE PERSON who took information from another web site.

    Again, not authoritative.

    I give you the last word.

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  • KirklesWorth

    The last word? The only information you’ve provided is veto rates, which is hardly indicative of anything conservative or otherwise. FDR vetoed 635 times. Once again, are these statements about Reagan true or false (you don’t seem to care about the truth – you only seem to care about their origin):..?

    Nearly tripled the deficit
    Gave amnesty to 3 million illegal immigrants
    Raised the debt ceiling 18 times
    Expanded gun sale background checks and an assault weapon ban
    Signed at least 5 tax increases (Alan Simpson says 11 times)
    Increased the Social Security tax rate
    Unemployment reached 10.8%
    Appointed liberal justice Anthony Kennedy
    Had “issues” with Israel
    Bailed out Social Security for $165 billion
    Was a union leader in the Screen Actors Guild
    Negotiated with and armed terrorists in the Iran-Contra Affair

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  • Torcer

    It’s too bad you cannot fathom the reason for rejecting that kind of behaviour.

  • Torcer

    Because he makes a very salient point.

  • Torcer

    Are you by mistake addressing the person posting in ALL-CAPS?

  • Torcer

    Looks like you aren’t actually ‘beating’ anything…

  • 762×51

    I thought it was ADX Florence, that was what you called for two or three days, now it has changed. Were you lying then or are you lying now? Which is it ass breath?

    Hey, shove this photo of your cult leader up your ass, fucktard.

  • 762×51

    QED.

  • 762×51

    They spend far more time and energy attacking Conservatives than they do attacking Hillary or the DNC. But then Conservatives are who they consider to be their enemy, as they are Progressives, that makes total sense.

  • Torcer

    Congratulation! You’ve manged to combine Circular logic and a loaded question..

    An you are continuing to prove my point – that when I have to repeat posting on the same issue over and over and over and over again those numbers are divided by at least a factor of 3 or 4… but facts don’t matter to you do they?

    Loaded question
    A loaded question is a question that presupposes a disputed claim or indulges in circular reasoning. Closely related to this is the complex claim, which is a loaded question expressed as a statement rather than as a question.
    http://www.conservapedia.com/Loaded_question

  • Torcer

    Yes, the operative word there is ‘so-called’… The new party will have to learn that ‘reaching across the aisle’ and being ‘bipartisan’ only seems to work one way…

  • Torcer

    Yes, those that accuse anyone of not supporting trump by some arbitrary logic tend to ignore what we’ve done to oppose Comrade Clinton.

    There have been a few instances where trumpers have railed against Conservatives..

  • KirklesWorth

    Oh, I’m sorry…did I forget to credit you for your anti-Hillary work? Here…let me list it again for the record:

    Here is the list of Torcer recommended articles to Dave Blount for the month of August regarding either Trump or Hillary. http://moonbattery.com/?p=75799#comment-2873198956

    Torcer’s recommended articles from August with “Hillary”, “Clinton”, of “Shillary” in the title:

    1. Nine Percent Imposed Hillary/Trump
    2. Hillary Barks About Gun Control With Father of Orlando Killer Seated Behind Her
    3. Dan Abrams: Media Doesn’t Like Hillary Because She Isn’t Far Enough Left
    4. Clinton Foundation FBI Investigation Could Mean Actual Consequences for Hillary
    5. Were Hillary Clinton’s Statements False?
    6. Hillary Supporters Want to Repeal 2nd Amendment
    7. A Salivating Hillary Plans Her Looting Spree
    8. Democrats Can’t Tell Hillary From Trump Quotes
    9. Hillary Didn’t Just Delete Her Emails…
    10. Hillary Deleted Subpoenaed Emails Related to Benghazi Terror Attack

    Torcer’s recommended articles from August with “Donald”, “Trump”, or “orange” in the title:

    1. Nine Percent Imposed Hillary/Trump
    2. One Born Every Minute: Trump and the Supreme Court
    3. Constitution’s Reception at a Trump Rally
    4. Trump Versus Trump
    5. Top GOP Spokesman in Florida Quits Rather Than Support Trump
    6. Trump: “My Temperament Has Gotten Me Here”
    7. Trump Promises Us More Money; That’s the Bad News
    8. Trump Threatens to Stop Raising Money for Republicans
    9. Trump Calls for Increasing National Debt
    10. With One Tweet I Could Rest My Case Against Trump
    11. How Far Can Triumph the Insult Comic Dog Push Trump’s Loyal Supporters?
    12. Trump Death Knell
    13. Trump Trails by 30 Points in His Home State
    14. Democrats Can’t Tell Hillary From Trump Quotes
    15. Trump Hymns
    16. Why Trump Scares the Hell Out of Conservatives
    17. Trump Begins to Pivot on Illegal Immigration
    18. Trump and NBC Discussed Using Presidency for Reality Show
    19. Trump Supporters Respond to the Great Illegal Immigration Flip-Flop
    20. Hitler Finds Out About Trump’s Great Illegal Immigration Flip-Flop
    21. Trump Redefines Softening as “Hardening” Regarding Illegal Immigration Sellout
    22. Ted Cruz Predicted Trump’s Great Illegal Immigration Flip-Flop
    23. Plea for Trump to Keep His Word and Drop Out

  • MAS

    “Mas, I know that you are Pro-Life as I am.”

    Please, spare me… You sir, if you are pro life, have sold your trust to politics not the sovereign Lord of the universe.

    “However, he is now Pro-Life and has promised to nominate Pro-Life Judges like Scalia to the Supreme Court.”

    The used car salesmen must smile like drunken monkeys when you show up on their lot. Trump is all over the map on all sorts of issues and now you will just take him at his word? Look, I get your argument…I really do. It’s the Branch Trumpian talking point repeated here by Trump trolls enough so even a complete moron couldn’t miss it. Pay close attention now; I COULD NOT DISAGREE WITH YOU MORE. PLEASE QUIT TRYING TO HELP ME WATER DOWN MY STANCE BEFORE THE LORD, IT WON’T WORK. GOT IT?

    Now go and vote just like I do…in private and any damn way I want.

  • KirklesWorth

    And Hillary is quite clear on her stance on abortion:

    http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Hillary_Clinton_Abortion.htm“>OnTheIssues.com “Hillary Clinton on Abortion”

    Key takeaways

    Rated 100% by NARAL (Pro-Choice America or National Abortion Rights Action League), indicating a pro-choice voting record – Dec 31, 2003

    Rated 0% by the NRLC (National Right to Life Committee), indicating a pro-choice stance – Dec 31, 2006

    Hillary Clinton on Voting Record

    Hillary’s votes all echo the liberal line in the Senate

    She opposed the ban on partial birth abortions
    She came down against criminalizing harm to a fetus during an attack on the mother
    She opposed a travel ban to Cuba
    She opposed a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage
    She backed extending the ban on assault rifles for 10 years
    She was against Bush’s tax cuts
    She opposed repealing the estate tax
    She opposed limits on class action lawsuits.

    Endorsed Recommended by EMILY’s List of pro-choice women – Apr 11, 2001
    Voted NO on banning partial birth abortions except for maternal life – Mar 12, 2003
    Rated 100% by NARAL, indicating a pro-choice voting record – Dec 31, 2003
    Voted NO on criminal penalty for harming unborn fetus during other crime – Mar 25, 2004
    Expand embryonic stem cell research – Jun 4, 2004
    Voted YES on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives – Mar 17, 2005
    Sponsored bill providing contraceptives for low-income women – May 19, 2006
    Voted NO on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions – Jul 25, 2006
    Sponsored bill for emergency contraception for rape victims – Sep 26, 2006
    Rated 0% by the NRLC, indicating a pro-choice stance – Dec 31, 2006
    Ensure access to and funding for contraception – Feb 5, 2007
    Voted YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines – Apr 11, 2007
    Provide emergency contraception at military facilities – Apr 26, 2007
    Voted NO on defining unborn child as eligible for SCHIP – Mar 14, 2008
    Voted NO on prohibiting minors crossing state lines for abortion – Mar 13, 2008
    Focus on preventing pregnancy, plus emergency contraception – Jan 6, 2009

    Keep abortion safe, legal and rare – Jan 22, 1999
    Being pro-choice is not being pro-abortion – Jan 22, 1999
    Reach out to teens to reduce teen sex problems – Jan 22, 1999
    Remain vigilant on a woman’s right to chose – Jan 22, 2000
    Must safeguard constitutional rights, including choice – Oct 8, 2000
    Late term abortion only if life or health are at risk – Oct 8, 2000
    Alternatives to pro-choice like forced pregnancy in Romania – Nov 1, 2003
    We can find common ground on abortion issue – Sep 30, 2005
    Government should have no role in abortion decision – Oct 17, 2005
    Abortion is a sad, tragic choice to many women – May 14, 2007
    Personally would never abort; but deeply values choice – Jun 5, 2007
    1974: pro-choice fervency not based on any personal abortion – Jul 18, 2007
    1999: keep abortion safe, legal & rare into next century – Jul 18, 2007
    Lift ban on stem cell research to cure devastating diseases – Jun 20, 2007
    Respect Roe v. Wade, but make adoptions easier too – Nov 17, 2006
    Long-held moderate stance focuses on reducing abortions – Mar 25, 2008
    Consistently uses Dem. Party line, “safe, legal, and rare” – Mar 25, 2008
    Make abortion rare by supporting adoption & foster care – Apr 13, 2008
    Potential for life begins at conception, but don’t intrude – Apr 13, 2008
    Opposed China’s forced abortion & Romania’s forced pregnancy – Apr 13, 2008
    Partial birth exceptions for life-threatening abnormalities – Apr 30, 2006
    It’s big government to intervene on woman’s right to choose – Oct 13, 2015

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  • EtoculusDei

    PRIVATE PROFILE = PATHETIC TROLL TRASH
    TROLL TRASH ALERT
    DON’T FEED IT
    BEAT IT!!!!!!!!

  • Torcer

    Do you realize that you are actually acting as that which you condemn?

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  • 762×51

    This current tactic they are using of repeating everything we say back at us and accusing us of basically being them reminds me specifically of hearing a Democrat operative like George Stephanopolous or John Podesta or Lanny Davis defending Shitlery or BJ or Obama. It is exactly the same tactics done in exactly the same way for exactly the same affect and to achieve exactly the same results.

    Only an idiot would fall for that crap which is exactly what has happened.

  • Torcer

    A prime indication of the ideological bent of certain persons here and about is a predilection for moral relativism.

    Just for the fun it let us examine one fine example of a moral relativistic tour de force in the discussion of what one of them considered to be THE serious crisis of the day worthy of multiple postings from over a month ago complete with arbitrary (and extremely convenient) judgements on it’s part:

    Dredging a ‘crisis’ from over a month ago it details how it broached the subject – Something Extremely Important in these times to be sure:

    7/27/2016 #1 On a side note, curious spelling of “favour”. as it has a distinct Canadian flavour…are you a U.S. citizen? Unanswered

    And this most critical question of the decade, neigh of the CENTURY went Unanswered OH! NO!!
    And of course, being the watchdog on the the important issues of the day, it felt that it has to do it’s duty to once again to pose this most important of inquiries once again:

    7/27/2016 #2 On a side note, curious spelling of “favour”. as it has a distinct Canadian flavour…are you a U.S. citizen? Unanswered

    Oh NO! Once again THE most important issue of the day has gone Unanswered
    WILL the nation survive without this CRITICAL piece of data to make the world data set complete!
    This question from over a month a go and STILL so important to it that it Just had to ask it again:

    7/27/2016 #3 On a side note, curious spelling of “favour”. as it has a distinct Canadian flavour…are you a U.S. citizen? Unanswered

    And yet this question went unrequited to the angst of all in the known universe.
    But then a glimmer of hope emerged, an answer WAS given… the response to THE question prefaced with ‘On a side note’:

    Torcer
    BTW, one can be a citizen and use the letter ‘u’..

    At last, the world’s population can breath a sigh of relief – The answer to THE most important question was provided!

    Except, this put it in a quandary of epic proportions, for it’s contention in all of this was that NO ANSWER was provided and thus there was a LIE here… Somehow
    So what was it to do? How could it insist no answer was forthcoming when this wasn’t the case?

    Then a miraculous event burst forth, and in it’s wondrous and infinite wisdom, it simply declared that ANSWER to be a Pseudo-answer through the magical convenience of double standards and moral relativism.

    QUANDARY SOLVED! ISSUE RESOLVED! An ANSWER was ever so conveniently brushed aside with nary a thought for intellectual integrity, thus it was able to declare that an answer was not an answer and in the next line declare it to be a lie – with a Bold <- arrow for good measure!

    7/31/2016 #5 Torcer, are you a U. S. citizen?
    Answer: Torcer: – Yes.

    Thus, bolstered by it’s supreme Pseudo-Judgement it was able to declare without remorse or moral underpinnings that this I’ve already answered this (<-this would be the lie)
    And it was able to declare:

    This is the first time Torcer answered the question, so the first part was a lie.

    But then it came upon the horns of another dilemma – how to explain away it’s blatant falsehood?

    Once again the miracle of convenient supreme judgement on it part came riding to the rescue!

    I missed the response and asked again,

    It missed the response well how LUCKY it was to be the one judging it’s actions!

    Thus we see the magic of moral relativism – where someone without remorse can easily declare an answer to a trivial and irrelevant question to be a Pseudo-answer!

    Meanwhile it’s transgressions are easy brushed aside imposing it’s own and infallible judgement on the case absolving it of any issues.

  • TrojanMan

    After pointing out his hypocrisy it was forced to do the above knowing full well he was trying to cover his tracks when he agreed that Johnson is a progressive.

  • KirklesWorth
  • TrojanMan

    You are a LIAR! I never said you should have corrected your progressive label.

    1. You upvoted and replied “Bravo!” showing your support for my statement. Then said “You are so deluded that you call Gary Johnson a “progressive”.” = Hypocrite.

    2. I came back here this morning to this thread and your comment was gone. Therefore you deleted it. Then after i pointed this out you undeleted it and edited it. The below graphic shows that your comment is NOT there.

    3. See 1

    4. See 2

    5. See below

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/beff9110c28d47018c29bc394429d62c5f6567698e76c6c0996ba5f53ed6299e.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/91a563648f08028b024d8f18b46aba4dbe6846e7c0d12fa4d5b66142983cb0ac.jpg

  • KirklesWorth

    Don’t misquote me or fail to cite what I said. What I said was Forgive me for giving you an improper “bravo!” and up-voting you while not correcting you for your “progressive” label. My sarcasm asked for your forgiveness, not an admission that “Bravo!” means I agreed 100% with what you said.

    You upvoted and replied “Bravo!” showing your support for my statement. Then said “You are so deluded that you call Gary Johnson a “progressive”.” = Hypocrite.

    Ridiculous. I agreed with most of what you said without nitpicking and approved of your performance – why can’t you be gracious? Because now I called you on your misidentification of Johnson as a “progressive”? Oh well, I let it pass before but this time I didn’t – got a problem with that?

    I came back here this morning to this thread and your comment was gone. Therefore you deleted it.

    You don’t know what you are talking about. “Therefore you deleted it” – prove it. Only Dave Blount can undelete a comment – ask him, otherwise keep your false accusations to yourself.

    Then after i pointed this out you undeleted it and edited it.

    Of course I did, I told you I would! “And I made it painfully clear to the casual observer that I did:”

    Bravo! (Edit 9/22/2016): I have been informed by TrojanMan that I should have corrected his “progressive” label at this point. I apologize for the oversight and retract my up-vote.

    Saying “Bravo!” to “Johnson is a, pro-abort, pro-illegal, pot smoking, anti-1A progressive. His VP is anti-2A.” was a cheer for you for countering david‘s comment “Vote Johnson, you cuck”, not a vindication of its content.

    “Bravo” 1. used to express approval when a performer or other person has done something well.

    I approved of your well-done performance. I liked it. I agreed to most of it. Is that not good enough for an all-or-nothing reactionary conservative?

    The only “proof” you have is that I said “Bravo!”. Aside from my word of encouragement, you have no proof that I approved of anything other than your performance (according to the definition).

  • TrojanMan

    Lie all you want buddy the proof speaks for itself.

    Go vote Trump and be well.

  • KirklesWorth

    Given up trying to defend yourself against the indefensible? I don’t blame you. It’s difficult to come back from a lie about somebody else deleting posts, improperly calling people “progressive”, and when you think “Bravo!” means “unconditionally agrees with” when it actually means “to express approval when a performer or other person has done something well” like “bravo, you’re improving!” (an apt analogy).

  • TrojanMan

    Whatever you need to say to convince yourself that you are not a liar as the evidence shows. Honestly the more you say the deeper you will get in your lie. Just admit the truth and move on.

    Go vote Trump and be well.

  • KirklesWorth

    What truth is there to “admit”? That you lied about me deleting comments? That you improperly called Johnson a “progressive”? I’ve already pointed your errors out – it does all speak for itself.

    I tell you what my intent is with choosing specific words – you don’t tell me. When I say “Bravo!” means “good job” and not “I agree with you 100%”, who are you to argue? The definition of “Bravo!” supports me – it doesn’t support you. You are making claims that do not fall within the definition, so why don’t you follow your own advice of “just admit the truth and move on” and “go vote Trump and be well”…?

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