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Sep 23 2016

Trent Franks Demonstrates How Trump Is Destroying the GOP

The spread of evil is the symptom of a vacuum. Whenever evil wins, it is only by default: by the moral failure of those who evade the fact that there can be no compromise on basic principles.
Ayn Rand

If Trump wins in November, the GOP is finished as even a moderately conservative party. Arizona Congressman Trent Franks illustrates why:

A brewing civil war within the GOP has House Republicans picking sides, with plenty of members backing up party Chairman Reince Priebus in threatening consequences for those who don’t get behind nominee Donald Trump.

“Any person in this party that does not support Trump at this point is increasing the chances of Hillary Clinton becoming president and destroying the Constitution,” Arizona Rep. Trent Franks told CNN Wednesday. “Therefore they are betraying this party. They are betraying the Constitution.”

This hyperbole on behalf of a guy who is explicitly running as a dictator and has zero respect for the Constitution is what we have come to expect as cowards scurry to toe the new line. But I didn’t expect it from Trent Franks, a respected “conservative, Reagan Republican” who backed Ted Cruz in the primaries.

Hot Air’s Allahpundit considers some of the implications:

If you want to understand why #NeverTrumpers like me suspect congressional Republicans will rubber-stamp anything and everything Trump does, all you need is this quote and the logical conclusion it leads you to. … If President Trump decides that he meant what he said about the military obeying his orders even if they’re illegal, congressional Democrats will revolt and demand action to rein him in — hearings, court challenges, maybe impeachment. Trump will sustain some political damage from it. Whom does Rep. Franks side with in that case, his president or the other party? If he and other Republicans side with Democrats on principle, Democrats will use it to bludgeon Trump in 2020 with the argument that he’s lost the confidence of both parties that he can govern responsibly and constitutionally. If Franks sides with Trump, he’s blessing the practice of illegal military orders. By his own logic, he’s forced to choose between “betraying the Constitution” and betraying the Constitution.

Also consider that Trump was a liberal his whole life prior to trying to pass himself off as a conservative to secure the Republican nomination. He learned the tactic from fellow New Yorker Michael Bloomberg, who switched to the Republican Party to achieve the office of Mayor, then renounced his party affiliation afterward. Trump’s views have not been moderately liberal; they have been hardcore, including support for partial birth abortion, wanting Bush impeached for removing Saddam Hussein from power, and denouncing America for being too racist to appreciate Obama.

Over the past year, the mask has slipped many times, revealing the leftist behind it. Examples include:

9/11 conspiracy crapola, spewing Code Pink talking points during a debate, praising Planned Parenthood in the aftermath of the body parts scandal, supporting the intolerable Kelo decision, averring that our fundamental right to bear arms should be contingent on not having been arbitrarily placed on arcane government watch lists, backing wasteful crony capitalist ethanol subsidies, siding with the worst of the so-called GOPe against conservative resistance, calling for increasing the national debt, promising to raise taxes, denouncing Antonin Scalia for opposing Affirmative Action, supporting the large-scale importation of “refugees” from the Islamic world, et cetera.

Already he has proposed another federal entitlement, even as we plunge toward national bankruptcy.

We have seen how fast invertebrates like Reince Priebus scuttle to line up behind Trump, and how avidly talk radio personalities who formerly opposed him kneel to kiss his ring. If Trent Franks is doing it too, there is little doubt that Trump will enjoy Republican support even for a progressive agenda once in power.

Franks et al. will justify it by asserting that people like Shrillary are even worse. Maybe they are, if that’s possible — except for one thing: when Democrats force us toward ever greater collectivism and authoritarianism, Republicans often put up some resistance. No one will resist when both parties are controlled by progressive statists. Our national future will be bankruptcy and tyranny, regardless of who wins our meaningless elections.

Trump supporters sneer at the concept of principles. That is like a farmer sneering at the concept of food. Principles are the sole point. The moment you abandon them, the game is over and you have lost. It is not as if those who have surrendered them to support Trump can ever get them back.

Now even Ted Cruz has knuckled under to endorse Trump, effectively signing his name to everything Trump is. Rest in peace, Grand Old Party. Time for a new party.

lesser-evil

On tips from Varla, Torcer, and TED.



  • DrMicahStone

    “Trent Franks Demonstrates How Trump Is Destroying the GOP”
    –Dave, you say that like it’s a BAD THING !!!!! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3da072be7c08895b97f9f8b2f10aef0e1155e6c81f258625559ce89c232cf3b2.jpg

  • Chronos Z. Wonderpig

    it’s Hillary or Trump – those are the only choices…..I’ll take Trump
    and so will Ted Cruz
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/long-rival-cruz-expected-vote-trump-source-192011088.html

  • Deplorable!Chocolate&Cheese

    Welcome aboard the Trump Train Cruzers!

  • Szabadsag

    Trent Franks gets it. Amazing how these neverTrumpers have no problem any time NWO stooges like the Bush clan or the Clintons send Americans all over the world to fight to protect the globalists and their cronies investments, but they scream bloody murder when Trump announces that when he gets into office it’s going to be America (and Americans) FIRST for a change. Gonna be sweet watching these NWO banksters and all their hangers on and stooges howl when their skimming operations are severely curtailed when there’s finally a real American in office.

    Sorry stooges (neverTrumpers)!!!

  • William Wilson

    Ted saw the light (or at least saw his political future).

    Must be breakin’ everyone’s hearts here at MB.

    Schlonged! Trump/Pence 2016.

    Unstoppable!

  • Turbo

    Ok.. so we’re supposed to then let Hillary instead I guess? And that is better somehow? lol. Uh, no.

    Shrillary will just barely “win” regardless. These days, he who controls the elections and counts the votes wins.

  • Callawyn

    How much is Hillary paying Blount to print her propaganda?

  • Rotohammer

    I’ll hold my nose and vote for Trump. He’s not the one I wanted. As for cutesy quotations about the nature of evil, I counter with this one:

    “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”

    Not voting for Trump is doing nothing. It’s political masturbation that feels good and accomplishes nothing.

  • JeffersonSpinningInGrave

    There are a couple of potential deal-breakers on Trump with which I still struggle, but there is still the SCOTUS to consider.

    https://foac-pac.org/Supreme-Court-Second-Amendment-Case-Could-Overrule-Heller-Decision-In-2017/News-Item/5565

    Short version: It is likely that the next Court will grant cert on a second amendment case from Michigan. In this case, a man who was committed in his younger years (due to traumatic events at the time) sued to have his firearms rights restored. Ginsberg has already said she wants a chance to overturn Heller. This case could give her one. If a new Court with a Clinton appointee hears the case, it could end in the SCOTUS ruling that the right to keep and bear arms does not apply to individuals. I’m not a lawyer, so I don’t know how likely this is to happen. But if it does, it’s immediately open season on firearms ownership in the blue states, with all kinds of new angles of attack at the Federal level eventually (maybe sooner than later if the Dems can turn Congress again).

  • RB26DETT

    I haven’t been here in a while, but I still hold a spot in my heart for this website. A lot of great work has been done here and you will always have my respect and consideration. I don’t see eye to eye with the proprietors of this site on Trump, but I still appreciate the work they do. Perhaps they will be proven right on their view, perhaps not. Regardless of this, the defining characteristic of Conservatives is that when push comes to shove, we can put aside our differences and work together to protect what matters. I’m not a fan of Ted Cruz by any stretch of the imagination (his little stunt at the RNC was pretty shameful), but I support his efforts to protect our digital networks from a stealth internationalist takeover. It’s not always easy to determine which politicians you can trust, but I do feel confident in strength and character of (most of) my fellow Americans. I’m not asking any of you to support Trump – you’ve made your choice, said your peace, and I respect your decision. I am asking you though, to keep up the fight. America is headed for dark days, and many of us will be called upon to bear a torch in that darkness, and cast out the advancing shadows. We may not see eye-to-eye on everything, but those of us here all care about what really counts. Let’s continue standing for our freedom.

  • TrojanMan

    This will do exactly squat for Cruz or Trump. Simple fact is even though Cruz was my guy i am not a blind follower like Trumpkins. I will still not vote for the progressive with an R by his name.

    Trumpanzees still hate Cruz and that will never change. I expect Trump to still fund Cruz’s opponents. I applauded Cruz for not endorsing the orange false god. Very sad indeed.

  • TrojanMan

    Dont forget about all those “conservative” supreme court picks republican presidents have picked since Reagan: Kennedy, Roberts, Souter come to mind.

  • TrojanMan

    Nope, as i stated above, unlike Trumpidians we are not blind followers.

  • 7.62 IQ

    Oh there will be a whole lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth tonight!

    https://www.facebook.com/tedcruzpage/posts/10154476728267464

  • 7.62 IQ

    How do you think Charles Johnson gift so fat? Pizza and beer don’t come cheap.

  • 7.62 IQ

    Baaaaaaaned!

  • 7.62 IQ

    Just dumb followers.

  • 7.62 IQ

    The new web banner. Expect it to go up any moment now.
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9a/Greenienew.png

  • TrojanMan

    Thanks for the link. I provided my displeasure with his decision to sell his soul to the devil.

  • 7.62 IQ

    Now you’re better than Ted Cruz? Moonbattery, alright.

  • 7.62 IQ

    Tick tock tick tock…how many days until we see that Hillary endorsement?

  • TrojanMan

    The same amount of days it will take for you to stop being a douchebag. So never….

  • JeffersonSpinningInGrave

    Fair points. Its all back to a gamble with weak odds vs. Absolute certainty of disaster. Continued slow boil vs. Afterburners on the Hell express. Or, do we put off the worst of the pain or bring it on now. Crappy choices buy its where we are.

  • TrojanMan

    There are at least 4 on the ballot. All of which are completely unqualified to be president.

  • Chronos Z. Wonderpig

    No, the libertarian party qualified in all 50 states, the green party did not, so some states have 3 candidates & some have 4.
    the only 2 that have any chance of winning are HIlls & Donald………

  • DW Brandel

    Cruz is voting for Trump. See, he knows Trump is a better option than HRC.

  • 7.62 IQ

    Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaa—ned!

  • skankhunt42

    I don’t hate Cruz. He was my #1 pick until Trump came around… what do you make of that?

  • 7.62 IQ

    Says the tiny talking condom.

  • 7.62 IQ

    He would first need two brain cells to rub together.

  • Occam’s Stubble

    increasing the chances of Hillary Clinton becoming president and destroying the Constitution,

    Oh please. As if the GOP gives a shit about the constitution. They haven’t since at least 1928 and probably 1860.

  • 7.62 IQ

    Plan on writing in your own name, condom boy?

  • skankhunt42

    and this is what the never trumpers are missing. trump is the result of brewin anger among the conservatives who feel betrayed after years of GOP doing nothing to stop obama 🙁

  • 7.62 IQ

    Baaaaaannned!

  • TheStruggler

    Ha!.. LOL… The new ID and avatar. Zing!

  • 7.62 IQ

    Unless Blount sees the light as Cruz did, better get used to kissing this sack of rotting cheese curd:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cc1iaKnUUAAMDDv.jpg

  • TrojanMan

    Didn’t mention you in my comment unless you are a Trumpanzee. Your comment is not exactly Cruz friendly.

  • TrojanMan

    Time to see if Dave was being serious with banning trolls.

  • 7.62 IQ

    Bye bye!

  • MAS

    “Any person in this party that does not support Trump at this point is increasing the chances of Hillary Clinton becoming president and destroying the Constitution,” Arizona Rep. Trent Franks

    Now that’s ironic coming from an RNC lackey. When’s the last time they stood up for the Constitution in any substantive way? They won’t even use the power of the purse they have.

  • marcus tullius cicero

    …if what we have now is the Republican Party, then I say “who needs them”! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4843e0f43a365812f67e9c26a562cad2e78cf71924ff40338cec1d6e1fb120a0.jpg

  • Dan Northrup

    No matter who gets elected it will probably end up hurting somebody you know.

  • DW Brandel

    Trumpanzees? Because we would rather have Trump than HRC? OK, I guess that’s me

  • Szabadsag

    Back to slavishly serving the Rothschild central banking cartel and the globalists for Heidi!

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-23/heidi-cruz-rejoins-goldman-sachs

  • Jack Bauer

    I’d like to see the two of them bury the hatchet sufficiently, in the event that Trump does actually pull this off. I couldn’t think of a better pick to fill that immediate SCOTUS vacancy. Sure, it’s nice to have Cruz in the Senate, but as a true conservative, he would have a much farther reaching impact on the future as a Supreme Court Justice. The current makeup of the Senate means they will still sandbag him at every turn. He’s young too, and would likely be there for a long time.. Somehow too, I don’t see Ted being an easy guy to “roll” like Roberts either.

    Can’t you just see the Dems on Judiciary Committee during Cruz’s confirmation hearings? Their heads will be exploding….lol. Schumer will have an aneurysm!

    Conversely, the prospect for the makeup of the SCOTUS after a Hillary Administration scares the bejeebers out of me!

  • Eddie_Valiant

    Well said sir!

  • Eddie_Valiant

    Actually, not voting for Trump, or not at all, is a vote for Clinton the Corrupt.

  • Deplorable!Chocolate&Cheese

    No reason to make such an idiotic response man.

  • THOUGHTCRIMINAL2084

    Bad taste…

    I don’t get Mr. B on this Trump stuff, but he is not in the bag for the devil.

  • THOUGHTCRIMINAL2084

    Did you vote Romney? McCain? Bush I, II or II?

  • mauser 98

    Boo Hoo Boner GOP rubberstamped every Obama whim
    Boner , McConnel & traitors fell to their knees and whimpered every time
    dont blame Trump

  • Nobama

    The Republican Party is already finished. What is it you people don’t get about that?

  • TrojanMan

    I regrettably did. I see what a mistake that was. I was drawn by the lesser of two evils and how did that turn out? Still got evil. Well evil is what we are going to get in November lesser or otherwise.

  • TrojanMan

    Would appear to be so…. 🙂

  • Stosh

    Regardless of the name of party…it comes down if they promise the right policies, and actually stand by them (like the Constitution). Zel Miller was I Demonkrat that I could have voted for, and by the same token, could never vote for a number of Republicans that currently hold office.

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  • Colonel_Bob

    I call bravo sierra. I have read comments like this ad nauseum.

    We will be lucky if 70% of the voting age population vote at all in November. I guess you will count the 30% not voting as Trump votes.

  • Colonel_Bob

    No reason to make such an idiotic assumption in the first place.

  • Jodie

    I read an amazingly accurate, awesomely worded, and much needed article, such as this one by Dave Blount. Then I read the comments afterward and see that the majority of commenters are leaving obnoxious, liberal, disgusting, and erroneous messages. Ugh!! I feel like I am back in college!

  • Daniel

    There is a problem in the Republican party. It is pretty much because of the way the Republican party consistently supports Obama and refuses to do anything at all to stop or resist him.

    The real division in the party is globalism vs nationalism.

    Show me your nationalist Republicans and I’ll show you the Republicans Blount and Co. are against. Funny how that works.

  • Daniel

    Fair enough. But we wouldn’t be in this uncomfortable spot if the Republican majority leadership, which Cruz supports in many ways, would actually stop helping Obama.

    Cruz and others said it would be political suicide to try to impeach Obama over his illegal immigration actions.

    Trump stepped up on a “rowdy” platform which proves that was not true at all — that people would rally about “bigly” to support the effort to stop globalism.

  • Daniel

    I’ve seen it before. Worked with a guy who claimed to be a conservative republican and yet his whole family was tied into big government and most were government employees and those who weren’t were aspiring to. He works for Wells Fargo and is still seeking to get back into government employ. He doesn’t understand that big government is the opposite of conservative Republican values. He actually cannot see a lot of things which should be plain and obvious. And they both refuse to address the real problems which have actually created the NEED for Trump in all of this.

  • Daniel

    The dark strategy is to let Hillary win. Why?

    1. It “proves they were right” that Trump could never beat Hillary and
    2. It gives another opportunity for Cruz to get elected in the next cycle

    This ignores ALL of the damage and problems which will occur in the mean time… it’s suicidal and arrogant and egotistical.

  • Maybe I just don’t understand, Dave. While I don’t relish the idea of Trump as the catalyst, the GOPe has outlived any usefulness and needs to go. Perhaps this is a wake-up call to conservatives, I don’t know. Bottom line – like it or not, the ugly choice is between Hillary or Trump in November. And, knowing what we know about Hillary, the choice is clear.

  • forgot where, but I saw a good analogy of this election, comparing it to Russian Roulette. A vote for Trump may be putting a revolver to your head, but a vote for Hillary is playing with a semi-auto pistol.

  • actually, it doesn’t even feel good….

  • Daniel

    Today’s fight is very different. We are on the edge of literally giving our nation and our sovereignty away. “Trade deals” that trump the laws of our nation? Dictating how much and what kind of energy can power our businesses and industry? Dictating who can and cannot own guns or what kind of speech is free and what isn’t?

    You and others keep talking about “progressive-ism” and all but that’s a local issue. It is our existence as a sovereign nation at stake. Or maybe you don’t believe any of that is a real problem?

    It is the progressives who want all of this violent immigration policy and Trump wants to stop it. How do you consider him progressive in the first place?

  • KirklesWorth

    Then perhaps you can answer the following questions:

    1. Is the GOP in need of said destruction, or was it doing just fine?
    2. Who should we vote for to correct America’s wrongs?

  • KirklesWorth

    So, then it’s good that Trump is destroying the GOP because the RNC lackey”Trent Franks supports Trump and they don’t stand up for the Constitution in a substantive way…wait, was your comment supposed to be pro or anti-Trump?

  • KirklesWorth

    Then why be anti-Trump with no alternative other than Hillary? Okay, so we know some anti-Trumpers:

    Wanted Ted Cruz so were anti-Trump. Okay.
    Wanted Brad Thor so were anti-Trump. Okay.
    Wanted Evan McMullin so were anti-Trump. Okay.
    Wanted Darrell Castle so were anti-Trump. Okay.

    Well, time’s up and it’s down to Trump and Hillary. Place your bets.

  • KirklesWorth

    So you are saying GHWB and GWB were “evil”? Pretty harsh. You voted for Romney and McCain and got Obama, so you are going to hold that against Trump to get Hillary?

  • Eddie_Valiant

    This election will produce the smallest turnout in my lifetime. There has never been two more universally disliked candidates. I’ve been saying for months this election will be decided by a tiny minority of the total vote.

    The democrats always manage to turnout a large number of voters, mostly those in the public sector who depend on democrats to support their public unions. If enough repubs and those nebulous “independants” stay home, Clinton will squeak out a win.

    Fortunately, I don’t make my living on predictions, and I could end up being the next Dick Morris, but that’s what I’m going with.

  • KirklesWorth

    It may be the smallest turnout – but indications are that it will be because of lack of democrat participation. The novelty of “the first black president” won’t fit with Hillary:

    Turnout was high in the 2016 primary season, but just short of 2008 record

    Why Clinton and Trump may increase voter turnout in 2016

    Dem Primary Turnout Down 21% This Year

  • TrojanMan

    My previous post explains it. We have gone over this many times. I supported the RINO in 08 and 12 and we still got a progressive. Trump is not even a RINO but a liberal progressive and I will not be a part of the lesser of two evils anymore. Even by YOUR own graphs Trump is to the left of Romney and even the progressive Johnson. I made the mistake of voting for the lesser of evils and I won’t do it anymore. Spin it however you need to. No matter who wins evil is what you are going to get.

    Go vote Trump and be well.

  • KirklesWorth

    So, since you danced around the questions, I will put my interpretations of your answers in bold italics:

    So you are saying GHWB and GWB were “evil”? Yes

    You voted for Romney and McCain and got Obama, so you are going to hold that against Trump to get Hillary? Yes

    Correct?

  • TrojanMan

    I’m not holding the fact that McCain and Romney were RINOs against Trump. I am holding the fact that Trump is a liberal progressive against Trump.

    I was not able to vote for Bush Sr so I cannot say about him. Bush Jr did some pretty progressive things in hindsight should have been fought.

    As i said spin it however you need to.

    I have learned from my mistakes and will not repeat them.

    Go vote Trump and be well.

  • THOUGHTCRIMINAL2084

    At this point I don’t see much left to conserve anymore. We aren’t building a utopia and have very little say in what is being inflicted on us. There are no political solutions when “our” politicians are our overlords and betray us.

    We cannot be building a more perfect union when the blocks are being smashed or stolen faster than we can assemble them. We are just little players in a far bigger game, survival is what most of our energies are consumed by, not building the nation we wanted. We have been rendered into ants in our masters’ palace, to be stepped on, burned and poisoned for their sadistic delight – we are not citizens anymore.

    We simply have been enveloped and cast into the wilderness.

    For so many now “big government” in all its disguises, is the only employer left. It is nefarious in two ways 1) government jobs produce nothing to a consumer, by their very existence they consume and hamper, if not outlaw actual production of wanted goods and services. They prevent open, legitimate competition and free enterprise

    2) Any employment connected to big government is subject to the litany of outrages inflicted on us. Transgender/Pervert empowerment, racial favoritism, nepotism and political punishment. The petri-dish of social lab experiments conveniently used to marginalize political enemies.

    We are strangers in an unholy land. The facade of what the Founding Fathers had intended and built has all that has been left for a very long time. As the structure behind that facade was ravaged, they only left the facia to keep the serfs from realizing that their country was no longer theirs. That facia is now disintegrating.

    The never-trumpers et al, cannot come to grips with this reality.

  • Occam’s Stubble

    I’m not sure how electing someone who doesn’t give a shit about the constitution either solves the problem.

  • Occam’s Stubble

    I hear a deal was made. Expect to see Cruz on Trump’s expanded list of Supreme Court nominees.

  • KirklesWorth

    You voted for McCain who is left of Trump, you voted for Romney who was right of Trump, you didn’t find out how well these moderate republicans would be but you know Trump will be worse.

    How could I “spin” what you didn’t clarify?

    THOUGHTCRIMINAL2084: Did you vote Romney? McCain? Bush I, II or II?

    TrojanMan: I regrettably did. I see what a mistake that was. I was drawn by the lesser of two evils and how did that turn out? Still got evil. Well evil is what we are going to get in November lesser or otherwise.

    Then I asked:

    KirklesWorth: So you are saying GHWB and GWB were “evil”?

    To which you didn’t reply, so I had to interpret on your behalf. Wasn’t that fair?

  • KirklesWorth

    Your suggestion?

  • TrojanMan

    I answered your questions. Not my fault if your reading comprehension skills are bad.

    Goodbye troll it’s been grand.

  • Occam’s Stubble

    The problem with the GOP runs much deeper than their failure to stop Obama. A while back, I read a great piece debunking all things FDR. Toward the end was the problem with the GOP in one sentence:

    After the 1930s, opponents of a proposed federal program might object to its structure, its personnel, or its cost, but hardly anyone objected on the grounds that the program was by its very nature improper to undertake at the federal level of government.

  • KirklesWorth

    You really never answered “So you are saying GHWB and GWB were “evil”?” after you missed it once and I had to try and interpret for you with “So you are saying GHWB and GWB were “evil”?” with Yes before you still didn’t respond with yes or no, but at least you concede there couldn’t have been any “spin” on an “answer” you didn’t give.

    And Trump is not a “liberal progressive” and I am not a “troll”. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/151f3f850f3ff822b5ac81cff3bfe93b079c8c57d37df1636c8cd4da7f89f9ed.png

  • TrojanMan

    That point is irrelevant to them. To them it’s about who is going to destroy the constitution less. The end result will be the same.

  • Occam’s Stubble

    Since the primary is over, I have none. My question is why the Trumpkins backed Trump if they were this bunch of constitutional conservatives disgusted with the GOP.

  • KirklesWorth

    So, you care not which candidate is elected and you question why some of us think Trump would be better when you have nothing better to offer.

  • KirklesWorth

    TrojanMan – the one who wants “convention of states, secession, or revolution” by getting Hillary elected.

  • 762×51

    Let’s examine your statement “the GOPe has outlived its usefulness and needs to go”.

    The GOPee is, or more accurately was, the only opposition to the Progressives Democrat Party. Over the last 30 to 50 years, Progressives have infiltrated what was the GOP and is now a Progressive controlled GOPee. To say that the GOP has out lived its usefulness is to say that opposition to the Progressives has outlived its usefulness, which is ridiculous. What has outlived their usefulness are the Progressives that now control the GOPee. As the article points out, tRump is a Progressive, always has been and there is no reason to believe that the Progressive GOPee will do anything to stop the Progressive tRump from further advancing the Progressive agenda. They haven’t lifted a finger in eight years to do the slightest thing to stop Comrade Obama, no way they do anything to stop a fellow GOPe’er.

    “Hillary would be worse than tRump”, that is the premise upon which all this BS is fabricated. So how much worse? Is it the difference between a splinter in your finger and a gun shot wound? NO it is not. Hillary is pancreatic cancer but tRump is small cell lung cancer. One kills you in 3 to 6 months, the other takes a year, so what? Would you sell your friends and family down the river, condemning them to a life of servitude for few extra months of your own life?

    You cannot defeat an enemy by becoming that enemy.

  • 762×51

    Where does the Constitution talk about nationalism?

    It doesn’t. it talks about republicanism because it establishes a republic. Nationalism ALWAYS results in totalitarianism which is the opposite of liberty.

  • Occam’s Stubble

    Oh, I care. That isn’t the question.

  • KirklesWorth
  • 762×51

    This is what happens when you restrain those who would attack the Progressive trolls and drive them out.

  • 762×51

    Destroy the GOP and Conservatives is after all your primary mission.

    What replaces the GOPee, troll? When that vacuum occurs, what group will have the structure and resources available to fill it?

    The answer to #2 is neither Hillary or tRump.

  • THOUGHTCRIMINAL2084

    I don’t understand his position on this either.

  • THOUGHTCRIMINAL2084

    In reality these were not even choices. McCain perhaps for his military service, but he has long proven to be a different face of the same machine.

    Alas..

  • 762×51

    Ridding the party of the Progressives that have infiltrated it is where the focus should be, not ridding America of the only organization with a structure in place to oppose the enemy.. Nuking the SOB’s(gosh, I hope that doesn’t offend our new found delicate sensibilities) is fine, but think Neutron Bomb, not Hydrogen Bomb.

  • KirklesWorth

    Destroy the GOP and Conservatives is after all your primary mission.

    Prove it liar.

    What replaces the GOPee, troll?

    You are the one who wants to overthrow the GOP, start a civil war, and kill “progressives”.

    When that vacuum occurs, what group will have the structure and resources available to fill it?

    What “vacuum”? The one that your civil war and “progressives”-slaughtering is going to leave? Hah!

    The answer to #2 is neither Hillary or tRump.

    Yet you want Hillary to justify your civil war to kill “progressives”. That’s why you attack Trump and his supporters.

  • KirklesWorth

    Lot’s of questions – any answers?

  • 762×51

    100% focused on destroying the Republican Party, aren’t you?

  • 762×51

    Not, jerklesworth is still stinking up the place and it was a primary offender.

  • KirklesWorth

    Yeah, I have so much power that my simple questions can destroy the republican party. Ridiculous. But you want it destroyed for your civil war progressive-killing agenda, don’t you?

  • KirklesWorth

    Sorry that I have to keep explaining that the reason you want Trump defeated is so that Hillary is elected and you can justify your civil war progressive-killing agenda.

  • 762×51

    Imbecile Trumpanzees insist that dying from lung cancer is waaaayy better than dying from pancreatic cancer.

  • KirklesWorth

    And you insist there is a “civil war” going on where you are going to killing “progressives”, and electing Hillary helps that fantasy along.

  • 762×51

    Because the BLM people will just melt away if your phony messiah wins, right? Hey troll, can tRump make the oceans subside like Obama promised but never delivered? LMAO!

    Civil war happens, regardless of the election outcome. No matter which side of your uni-party wins, there will be war.

  • 762×51

    I suggest you should leave MB, you obviously are not accomplishing anything here and are quite disliked by most.

    I hope that doesn’t offend your delicate sensibilities.

  • 762×51

    Darn, I missed the original comment you were replying too.

  • KirklesWorth

    Thanks for the confirmation.

    Just think of me as your disclaimer: “Warning: 762×51 wants Trump defeated so that Hillary is elected to start a civil war for it to start murdering “progressives”. Side effects may include irrationality, hatred, psychosis, hallucinations, irritability, and executions”.

  • KirklesWorth

    Suggestion noted and discarded with the rest of your “wisdom”. I don’t have “delicate sensibilities” where you try and make Moonbattery a “safe room” from all of those “microagressions” caused by people who dare not agree with you. You see, I’m not compromised with anti-Trump Hillary-enabling civil-war-starting “progressives”-killing dementia like you.

  • 762×51

    That’s buying a pig in a poke as the saying used to go. It is far more likely tRump would pick Peter Thiel or an equivalent Progressive than a Cruz, Gowdy, Lee, Conservative.

    We are 46 days out from the election, where are tRumps Cabinet picks? That will give an indication of how he will govern, or rule as the case may be.

    Would you buy a used car if all you knew was its year, make, model, color, a vague idea of its mileage but no idea whether those were highway or city miles, much less its service record or whether it has been wrecked or flooded damaged in the past? That is the tRump package, take it or leave it.

  • 762×51

    All are Progressives, just like tRump . . . and you.

  • TrojanMan

    Exactly. I did what needed to be done in regards to it.

  • TrojanMan

    It was something about “How many days until you (Dave) endorses Hillary”

  • KirklesWorth

    You don’t know what a progressive is. You have more in common with progressives than I do – especially the anti-Trump hatred and the intolerance for opposing views.

  • KirklesWorth

    Yeah, you called everyone non-anti-Trump “progressives”, evaded answering “So you are saying GHWB and GWB were “evil”?, called me a “troll” (again), incorrectly claimed I put “spin” on an answer that wasn’t given…all in all, quite a schooling you gave me.

  • grayjohn

    The Republican Party has earned its over due destruction. Good riddance to RINO rubbish.

  • PhiloTFarnsworth

    As a CONSERVATIVE, I am eager for what has become the GOPe-RINO Party to be put out of its misery —and I don’t care much who does it. There is always a hope that eventually a real conservative party will replace it !

    I say”good riddance” to the GOPe-RINO Party.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ffff041868774695ffd8577f8e89a3e7bd80f83192d13358ad66025ea13dd462.jpg

  • Daniel

    Actually, nationalism is throughout the Constitution. Built into the framework of the country are laws which intend to protect borders, restrict who can be president and lots, lots more.

  • JeffersonSpinningInGrave

    Yes, there is that. We haven’t have a real conservative president since Reagan. But even another Roberts vs. another Ginsburg/Breyer/Sotomayor/Kagan? What a terrible situation. We have to depend on the likes of Kennedy to help hold the line against totalitarianism.

  • JeffersonSpinningInGrave

    You are right that none of that is Trumps fault. The GOP is complicit in a good deal of what has gone wrong in this country over the last three decades, if for no other reason than they have not effectively opposed it (and in many cases helped usher it in; damn Bush senior for his support of Agenda 21 and globalism, which his son carried on).

    There have been some moments, though, like when Phil Gramm stood up against Hillarycare and said “This will pass over my cold, dead political body.” The GOP has a few people with this spirit, including Ted Cruz and Mike Lee, but not nearly enough.

  • JeffersonSpinningInGrave

    I might suck up some of my angst about Trump to see Cruz on the supreme court. Be hard to get him confirmed, though I sure many senators (perhaps some on the other side of the aisle too) would vote aye just to get rid of him 🙂

  • JeffersonSpinningInGrave

    That’s that only thing that can save the GOP. In a close race, the Dems can cheat. In this race, they will cheat big. Very big. In the past, they could put their thumb on the scale for about 1-2% worth. I bet it’s more like 4% this year. Bastards.

  • Vote Third Party

    If you get what you want. The democrat after Trump will make obama look moderate. Just as obama makes bill clinton look moderate and bill made carter look moderate.

  • JeffersonSpinningInGrave

    Good analogy. Though, another way to look at it might be that electing Hillary is like emboldening an enemy who means to annihilate you eventually into fully committing now vs. waiting until they dig in and weaken you even more before finally going all in.

    I don’t know which is the right way to view it. But I see Europe and its issues, with the governments having gone a long way toward disarming, brain-washing, and silencing their people. That’s where the proggies want to go here.

  • JeffersonSpinningInGrave

    There are no good options. Trump may or may not slow the bleeding, but I doubt he’ll actually fix anything. Hillary just might be arrogant enough to go full totalitarian while we are still capable as a culture of seeing it for what it is and reacting. But I don’t know if a Hillary admin would give us the push we need or finish us off. I genuinely hate this election cycle.

  • mauser 98

    most of the GOP still does not get it… my job my pension ..gimme money

  • Hillary Forprison

    By GOPe, I believe he meant eGOP (establishment GOP). Your distinction, that Progressives control the eGOP (which you call GOPee) is, to many of us, incorrect. The eGOP ARE the Progressives. There is no distinction. And as long as the Progressive eGOP controls the GOP, any distinction there is irrelevant.

    I agree with his reasoning that a Trump win creates an opportunity for Conservatives to replace the eGOP. If Trump loses, the eGOP will consolidate its control by claiming that only another eGOPer can win.

    I disagree with labeling Trump a Progressive. I believe he’s a mixture of Progressive and Conservative because he does not base his positions on ideological principle (which is bad). But being inconsistent does not make him a Progressive.

    To answer your question, I would take the one that takes a year because (a) there’s a chance that Trump will grow as he’s forced to think beyond the sound bites, whereas Hillary’s corruption guarantees that there’s no chance she will become less Globalist-Progressive, and (b) what kind of suicidal idiot turns down an extra six months to live?

    If you look beyond your hyperbole, you’ll realize that minimizing the rate of damage means (a) if a Conservative is elected in 2020, the recovery time will be less, and (b) the Democrats won’t oppress Conservatives through control of agencies such as the FEC, FCC, and IRS, so a Conservative will have a better chance of coming to the rescue.

  • 762×51

    I believe I said that the it is those in control of the Republican Party that are the problem and it is they that must be removed.

    It is not possible to be BOTH Progressive and AND Conservative, they are mutually exclusive, diametrically opposed concepts. You cannot be both for and against abortion as an aborted fetus cannot be both alive and dead, there is no such thing as being simultaneously armed and unarmed, government cannot be grown and shrunk at the same time. These are core principles which define the opposing sides we call Progressive and Conservative. Therefore, your theory about tRump is simply wrong. He has supported Progressive causes all his life, that is well documented. If you believe tRumps words today, he is a Conservative, if you believe his actions for the last fifty years, he is a Progressive

    If you believe tRump is going to standby and allow you to replace the likes of his texting buddy and golf partner John Boehner, you are sadly mistaken. If you think the Progressive GOP establishment isn’t going to sell out to tRumps Progressive agenda, like his new maternity belittlement program, you are delusional.

    The crux of the cancer “test” wasn’t to see if you could choose the one that would allow you a little more time, that is just numbers, it was to see if you would do the right thing. It wasn’t a math test. it was a character test.

    Finally, you complete the circle by reengaging in the tRump is less bad than Hillary argument which I have demonstrated is a false argument because they both result in the same endgame. You have a circular reference in your calculations and the result is false. The reference is there because your entire position collapses without it, you cannot arrive at a correct solution by proceeding from a false assumption, but then, Progressives are not interested in correct solutions. They are only interested in forcing their beliefs on everyone around them.

  • 762×51

    Let’s see, I’ve answered that question at least five times, idiot. Civil war is inevitable now and not even your phony messiah, what another poster referred to as “Cheetos jesus” can stop it.

    The battlefield is out there waiting jerkles. Once it envelopes you, all your meaningless BS will come crashing down around you. I just hope I get to watch.

  • 762×51

    “Nationalism” has nothing to do with borders or who can be President.

    The Constitution is the framework of the government, the restrictions upon it which limit its powers and subjugates it to the citizenry which is called republicanism. It is how a free society is created and governs itself.

    Nationalism is a totalitarian construct as in the National Socialist Workers Party. The term Socialist refers to the economic policies to be implemented but the term Nationalist refers to the political structure of the society it rules.

    Important, that distinction between governed and ruled, it is the difference between a free society and a subjugated society, Like socialism, nationalism sounds soooo good as an idea but always ends in disaster when implemented.

    You have no idea what you are even talking about.

  • 762×51

    LOL, fail all the way around jerkles,

    You prove my point with every post you make. Hating on Conservatives and the GOP at every opportunity. Like the one that started this discussion

    Jerkles Fail #1:
    “Then perhaps you can answer the following questions:

    1. Is the GOP in need of said destruction, or was it doing just fine?”

    That would be the vacuum left by your “destruction of the GOP” which you have said is in need of. Epic fail, moron.

    Jerkles Fail #2:
    “Yet you want Hillary to justify your civil war to kill “progressives”. That’s why you attack Trump and his supporters.”

    Again with the Fallacy of the Undistributed Middle argument. I have demonstrated how this argument is false repeatedly. Only a true Progressive fascist, intent on forcing their ideology down everyone’s throat would cling so stubbornly to such a blatant lie.

    For at least the seventh time, civil war is inevitable, I didn’t start it, you Progressives did. I’m in the business of finishing it, “it’s just a job I do”.
    https://youtu.be/naIzxqgVC5w

  • 762×51

    LMAO, you seem very concerned about the well being of Progressives, jerkles, why is that?

  • I enjoy licking your boots!

  • 762×51

    By all means, continue to demonstrate your inability to accept reality and your tRump Progressive zealotry. It is quite telling and a defining characteristic of all cult mentalities.

  • 762×51

    Confirmation to your cultist mindset, everyone else saw the sarcasm in it, LMAO!!

    War isn’t murder, unless one thinks like a Progressive . . .

    No one cares about the wellbeing of Progressives, except other Progressives . . .

    Looks like you are out of the closet, proggie progtard.

  • 762×51

    So I would rid society of fascist Progressives and the enslavement you all bring with you.and you see that as a negative. Got it, proggie progtard.

  • 762×51

    Ahh, makes sense. The enemy Progressive see all rules as applying to everyone but them. It’s why the love laws. They use them as RoE against the rest of us but exempt themselves from them.

  • 762×51

    What’s not to hate?

    Either way, there will be blood.

  • 762×51

    What I have, jackhole, is an intolerance for imbeciles who force their beliefs on everyone else and who support totalitarian political candidates. Your efforts to enslave are what earns my offer of single combat.

    Civil war I was about states rights and the imposition of federal policy over individual states which is exactly what you and your candidate stand for. That all happened long before I was born and is happening again now. The movement you so vehemently support started a century ago and is just coming to fruition now. It is merely a reiteration on the ancient theme of slavery. I oppose slavery by any slave master regardless of the letter next to their name. I have told you this repeatedly but you simply stick to your narrative like a good little Nazi. Proof that no dialogue can be had with the likes of you, only combat.

  • 762×51

    All true, however. it is equally important to look at just who DOES like them. The lowest of the low like one or the other, bottom feeders all.

    If it turns out you are Dick Morris, try to do it without the toe sucking.

  • Daniel

    Uhm… so you’re into globalism. Okay. But the dictionary refutes your characterization of nationalism. It is only the “extreme” versions of nationalism which approach the can be associated with what you are putting forth. No one is talking about going beyond the constitution or limiting the freedoms guaranteed within.

    This free nation was founded on nationalistic principles with the goal of ensuring the people within are free and protected against enemies foreign and domestic.

  • daehler-untermensch

    It’s not time for a new party. It’s time for those that embrace the Freedom predicated in our exceptional Constitution, without peer in history.to vote against the fascist, kleptomanical, .001% that are more than half way to thier goal of ruling the global body politic for their and their heirs, only.
    DJT is the only one. at this time, that is even “showing” support for America.

  • KirklesWorth

    Thanks. I just want to make sure you won’t claim I am misquoting you or that you’ve changed your stance.

  • daehler-untermensch

    Your reading comprehension skills suck. Here’s the nationalism. in our founding documents;
    The Declaration of Independence, predates our Constitution thus has precedence of our Constitution.

    We ( that’s us, nationally, not anybody else in the world) hold these truths (again, thats only US, nationally)… Governments (federal, national) again only US)…deriving their “just” powers from the consent (our consent only US) of the Governed……

    Our Constitution

    We (again that US, nobody, no one from anywhere else) the People (US, again)……and secure the Blessing of LIBERTY to OURSELVES (US, only US, no one else)……..

    IF, you don’t comprehend that our founding documents enshrined Nationalism, you’re either stupid of a undocumented dim-progressive.

    signed
    Irredeemable Deplorable Redneck American

  • KirklesWorth

    “Proggie progtard” – ah, the good ol’ days of middle school…

    So you admit you would immorally and illegally murder people based on your fascist group-labeling of “enemies” you don’t know and incorrectly define. Nice!

    Still using that fallacy of the undistributed middle I see. No wonder you can’t debate.

  • 762×51

    When you “report” me, SS-Rottenführer jerkles? LMAO.

  • KirklesWorth

    I think that Dave Blount is capable of taking care of things himself – after all, many of your comments have been deleted. But thanks for the confirmation (again) that you want a civil war to kill “progressives” via defeating Trump for Hillary. Not that I would expect you deny it in the future or anything…like with death threats…

  • 762×51

    LMFAO!! Typical Trumpanzee binary thinking. “If you aren’t a nationalist you are a globalist”, quite sophomoric. It’s the exact same Fallacy of the Undistributed Middle bullcrap that jerkles puts out. You clowns and your room temperature IQ are quit entertaining in a vomitus kind of way, but hey, at least you are smug about it.

    Your boy tRump talks about going beyond the Constitution all the time. In fact, the only time he ever even touches on the Constitution is to go beyond it.

    This free nation was founded on republican principles, as I have already pointed out. Maybe you should study more than the dictionary before having this conversation. Read Voltaire, de Montesquie, Locke, Hobbes and few others for a better understanding of the founding principles which came about during the Age of Enlightenment.

    The soldiers oath is to support and defend the Constitution n of the United States from all enemies, foreign and domestic. There is nothing ion the document itself or the Declaration of Independence about nationalism. Who ever is feeding you this bullshit is a moron. You should avoid them at all costs.

  • 762×51

    Both Bush’s are Progressives. There has been only Progressive Presidents since Reagan left office. The R and D thing is a ruse, nothing more. Two sides of the single uni-party intended to scam the American People while the enemy profits from us.

    Clinton / tRump, meh. Two sides of the same coin, both are cancer and will kill America. Velocity over the cliff is irrelevant, it’s the drop that kills you.

  • Eddie_Valiant

    Ewwww….can’t figure that fetish out – and I’m not gonna try!

  • 762×51

    Odd, I don’t see any that have been deleted. Have you been fantasizing again jerkles?

    Oh wait, you HAVE been fantasizing, forcing my words to match your Progressive narrative and inserting your twisted interpretation as if you could read my mind.

    The only thing that surprises me is that your limited binary thinking allows to even respond. Some one must be watering your regularly.

  • KirklesWorth

    Oh wait, you HAVE been fantasizing, forcing my words to match your Progressive narrative and inserting your twisted interpretation as if you could read my mind.

    Prove it liar.

    Can’t find any eh? Not a single one? “Fantasizing” am I? Maybe this will refresh your faulty memory:

    762×51: I have a bullet with your name on it, any time you think you have what it takes to impose your fascist dreams, elitist f__ktard. Go f__k yourself. This comment was deleted.

  • 762×51

    un huh, so one now counts as many in your idiot world.

    You must be so proud, you got to implement your fascist ideology after all. All it proves is your are the dirty little Nazi I have l always known you to be.

  • KirklesWorth

    Oh, right…no big deal. It’s casual. It’s of no consequence that you:

    1. Lied about my “fantasizing”.
    2. “Can’t find” any of your deleted comments.
    3. Still post as a guest.
    4. Claim I “force” my words on you (boo hoo).
    5. Lie that I have some sort of “progressive narrative”.
    6. Threatened to murder me.
    7. Swore at me / about me.
    8. Offended libertarian-minded Dave Blount enough to delete your post(s).

    How about this classic that Dave Blount deleted:

    762×51 > KirklesWorth: I don’t “want” it dumbass, the Progressives want it and you have made it inevitable. The millions who are about to die are on you because you are too weak or too stupid or too Progressive to have have done the right thing. You have advanced the cause of evil and will soon pay the price for it, you are far too despicable a person for others not to have noticed, one of them will get you.

    Due process, LMFAO? It’s a fucking war idiot. Due process is a bullet, that is how war works. You kill the enemy, you don’t arrest them and read them their rights and ensure they have yard time, what a simpering douche you are. You wanted a a war which is why you have started one, now you will have to try and survive, you can’t, you don’t have what it takes. For the record, I’m anti-Progressive, I don’t give a shit about tRump other than what he, and by extension, you, has done to advance the Progressive agenda. Before this election he was just another NY turd in the punch bowl.

    Once again, there is no chance I will spare you, bitch. Should we meet on the battlefield, you will die.

  • KirklesWorth

    By all means, continue to demonstrate your inability to accept reality and your tRump Progressive zealotry. It is quite telling and a defining characteristic of all cult mentalities.

    All I’ve asked is for you to prove it – any of it. Your inability to do so is hardly my fault nor responsibility.

  • 762×51

    Such meticulous record keeping, you are are indeed a good little Nazi. Obviously, you are capturing all of my comments in preparation for “reporting” me, SS-Rottenführer. Otherwise you would not have the comment “after” it has been deleted. Yep, you are a fascist, through and through.

  • KirklesWorth

    Poor guest 762×51 can’t play nice with the adults, so Mr. Blount deletes your naughty words. Maybe if it occurred to you that threatening to kill people in profanity-laced rants would just win you shame fame, you wouldn’t be the laughingstock of Moonbattery. Perhaps if you had some self control over your irrational hatred of all things “progressive” (which you can’t define), you’d garner a smidge more respect. But you are so easily triggered that its kind of embarrassing how easily you are manipulated by other people.

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  • 762×51

    You assume I care what you and the other Trumpanzee vermin think, I don’t. The men who’s opinion I value and respect talk exactly the same way about dirty Progressives, just like you.

    See stupid, I’m not alone, there are more like me than you can imagine, combat veterans all.

    Oh, and as far as “guest” goes, i wouldn’t caught dead in that vile Disqus sewer you value so highly. You are all scum.

  • KirklesWorth

    Just as long as you keep giving me reasons to respond. You cowardly post as a guest, ridiculously call conservatives “progressives”, belittle and complain like the worst liberal, post “blah, blah, blah” times twelve, threaten to kill people, get your posts deleted, and expect to be taken seriously?

    Prove that I am a progressive, liar.

  • 762×51

    I’m sorry, all I heard was blah, blah, blah,blah, blah, blah,blah, blah, blah,blah, blah, blah,blah, blah, blah,blah, blah, blah,blah, blah, blah,blah, blah, blah,blah, blah, blah,blah, blah, blah,blah, blah, blah,blah, blah, blah.

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  • 762×51

    The demands for “proof” coming from a professional liar are as empty as the rest of your words. All anyone hears when you speak is blah, blah, blah,blah, blah, blah,blah, blah, blah,blah, blah, blah,blah, blah, blah,blah, blah, blah,blah, blah, blah,blah, blah, blah,blah, blah, blah,blah, blah, blah,blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

  • KirklesWorth

    Your refusal to back up anything you say speaks volumes. Was I “lying” when I said “Sorry, your insults mean squat coming from an arrogant, whining, lying, threatening, disingenuous, civil-war-claiming, “progressive”-murder wanting Hillary helper.”? Just what are my so-called “lies”? Just how many times are you going to use “blah” as an evasion / excuse for lying anyway? 1 2

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