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Sep 24 2016

Gary Johnson Talks to Reporter While Sticking Out His Tongue

Gary Johnson has been asked before. Yet he still will not put the bong down:

The Libertarian Party was formed in reaction when Richard Nixon yanked the GOP toward authoritarian statism with wage and price controls straight out of Atlas Shrugged. Similarly, the Trump candidacy has inspired serious talk of a new party that would hold true to the principles Republicans have betrayed. Extreme care must be taken that this new party is not taken over by screwballs, which has been the fate of the Libertarian Party.

On a tip from TCS III.



  • MAS

    300 million plus people and these three are the best we could come up with. Says more about us, as a nation, than it does them though.

  • Eddie_Valiant

    Should be obvious – he’s speaking the native language of the average MSNBC viewer.

    When is someone going to tell this mah-roon to get a decent haircut?

  • RKae

    I was telling a friend that the presidential race is Falstaff vs. Lady Macbeth. He asked, “Who’s Gary Johnson?” I said, “He’s Trinculo from ‘The Tempest’: the fool whose comic relief bit goes on so damned long that you’re begging for it to stop.”

  • TrojanMan

    And to think that Johnson is more conservative than Trump. Scraping the bottom of the barrel.

  • TrojanMan

    Don’t forget about the commie Stein

  • PhiloTFarnsworth

    “… While Sticking Out His Tongue”
    FYI: That’s the universal sign of DOPEHEADS that means: “got a joint?” https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9be5d28d1af3d8bc63a4da5e998fec9629d52bad598c9d10a6446e96368167f4.jpg

  • Jack Bauer

    …..”Extreme care must be taken that this new party is not taken over by screwballs, which has been the fate of the Libertarian Party”….

    Dave,
    You got that right….lol. I changed my party affiliation years ago from Repub to independent (or “unenrolled” as they consider it my state). I was already sick of the people we used to call the Rockefeller Republicans (i.e. modern day RINOS) back then, and realized that people like Goldwater and Reagan were always going to be the anomalies and not the norm. I determined that the only difference between the two major parties was their marketing approach for votes, because, while they could always put on a good show, they governed in essentially the same way.

    By nature I’m essentially a libertarian, though libertarians and conservatives have a lot of crossover on many issues, but I am always reluctant to mention it, because people will automatically equate you with clowns like Goofball Gary.

    As for a new party for conservatives, I’m all for it, and have been for years, but I’m not very optimistic. Conservatives seem to spend way too much time sniping at fellow conservatives even when they agree on 90% of everything, and focus only on the 10%. Always saying the other guy is not a conservative, or not conservative enough, etc. Not a recipe for success in the long run.

    George Patton was a great believer in learning lessons from your enemy, and the same can be applied to politics. If you watch the democrats fight for something, all of them from the somewhat conservative blue-dog southern dems through the entire spectrum of the left, all the way through to the most stone hearted Marxist will all join in, and eventually pull on the same rope. Until conservatives are willing to do more of that, the best I think you can hope for are a bunch of conservative splinter parties that vary by degree, and accomplish nothing more that fracture the conservative vote.

  • skankhunt42

    At this point this Marxist plant should be stealing more votes from Clinton than Trump. What a joke otherwise :-/

  • PhiloTFarnsworth

    Further proof that sticking out the tongue means: “Got a joint?” for DOPEHEADS….

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1b0613c1f92fc38f50a59251fd4331061b772ecbfac34205ff637524b816220c.jpg

  • KirklesWorth
  • JoeK

    Or at least buy a hair brush and use it!!

  • JoeK

    Man, it’ll be so great when Hellery’s elected and we don’t have to worry about this nut job winning!

  • Deserttrek

    sadly johnson does not believe in nor follow Libertarian principles. anybody who says don’t call illegal aliens illegal because it might hurt their feelings is a freaking moron who doesn’t deserve courtesy

  • Deserttrek

    There cannot be a conservative party because there is no concrete definition, and the religious right will not open their door. The social vs economic vs power hungry vs whomever don’t want to agree. I do agree with your comments and without unity the Republic will continue to deteriorate.
    I am a registered Libertarian and will not vote for Johnson as he is a opportunist. As for the GOP which I left, the day the social/religious conservatives will shut the F up and live their lives and let me live mine, we can meet.

  • marcus tullius cicero
  • Jodie

    But, what are Libertarian principles? It seems to me to be a movement started by people who are nice, believe in justice, and likely to take care of their families, but are anti-Jesus.

  • 2020

    dope is hope johnson gun grabber clinton or make america great again trump. the choice is yours. even political opportunist ted cruz is voting for trump!

  • jack burns

    A cry for help or a political Inchon Landing aimed at the neglected Tourette’s voter?

  • Jester
  • Lee Scuppers

    “True conservative principles” means always losing, right? Not sure what your problem with Johnson is. He’s clearly as “principled” as they come, in that sense.

  • KirklesWorth

    Ask 10 different libertarians, get 10 different answers. The fundamentals are individual freedom, but it all gets cloudy when other peoples’ freedoms interfere with theirs.

  • Jack Bauer

    No…that’s not true Jodie. If you want to understand libertarian principles, read just about anything by the Framers of the Constitution.

    Surely you don’t think that every single conservative needs to be a Christian do you? Of course there are many that are, but a lot of them aren’t. And it’s a similar mix for libertarians.

    Regardless of the percentages, neither libertarian nor conservative principles come from the teachings of Jesus. Originally, the ideas come from people like John Locke, Montesquieu, Thomas Hobbes, Voltaire, and many others, especially philosophers and writers of the Enlightenment.

    Indeed, the very Constitution that most conservatives revere and cherish, represents the work of people who were for the most part Deists. Many Deists will acknowledge a historical figure of Jesus, but none consider him to have been a divine entity nor the Son of God. This includes Madison who wrote most of the Constitution.

    Sorry, but I strongly disagree with the idea that libertarians are “anti-Jesus”.

    Besides, there’s a big difference in being a Deist for example, and being someone who is anti-Jesus like atheists tend to be. If anything, Deists view someone like Jesus as being another one of the Jewish prophets, but it doesn’t mean they have anything against him, any more than they’d have something against Ezekiel.

    The Framers were very careful not to allow any one religion to have an advantage over any other religion. This is one of the reasons that you will not find a single reference to God in the Constitution.

    Thomas Jefferson, who was so enamored with the kindness, logic and decency of the teachings of Jesus, created his own version of the Gospels, leaving out miracles and other references to Jesus being the Son of God, because he believed they were examples of fiction added much later on, to enhance the concept that Jesus was God in the flesh.

  • Jack Bauer

    I don’t agree with the “10 answers business”…..as it’s just a cutesy generalization that you’d have a hard time proving.

    But with regards to another person’s freedoms interfering with your freedoms— well, it really IS cloudy realm, and the inherent ambiguities within that concept are not limited to libertarians.

    It’s like an old libertarian mentor of mine once put it:
    ” I respect your right to swing your fist in the air. However your right to swing your fist freely in the air, stops about a half inch from my face”…..lol

  • KirklesWorth

    It’s not a “cutesy generalization” nor do I have a hard time proving. Ask a libertarian about abortion or “is it always wrong for one person to initiate force against another?”. Libertarians may tend to be conservative economically, but their positions on individual freedoms generally place them socially liberal and tend to question laws and their enforcement. Therefore, each libertarian can have widely varying opinions on where their rights start/end and where others start/end. It is similar to the Black Lives Matter leader who is against police – until he needs them. Libertarianism also tacitly permits discrimination at all levels.

  • Jack Bauer

    ….”Therefore, each libertarian can have widely varying opinions on where their rights start/end and where others start/end”….

    Wow…..Imagine the nerve of them pondering those questions!

    And the alternative is what? How is this something unique to libertarians? Are you saying that as a conservative that you absolutely know where your or my rights start and end in every circumstance? Guess we can do away with the entire judicial system then, since you have it all figured out in advance. About the only group that I know of that believes they know where everyone’s rights begin and end are Shariah compliant Muslims like the Taliban….lol.

    And then you go on to equate libertarian beliefs with an inappropriate analogy to a terrorist group like BLM? Seriously?

    Methinks you really don’t know very much about libertarianism, which should really temper your propensity you’ve had in this thread to speak for them….lol.

    ….”nor do I have a hard time proving…..”
    Well that remains to be seen……so far I’ve seen no proof, just a hell of a lot of personal opinion.

  • Mike_W20

    Most sane people wouldn’t want to have anything to do with politics.
    Politics attracts psychopaths, sociopaths and the criminally insane.
    Seriously, if anyone says they aspire to a career in politics, they should be immediately locked up and the key thrown away.

  • Deserttrek

    anti Jesus? time for fresh air and sunshine. If you believe in Jesus that’s fine, expecting anybody else to is no better than what isis does.

  • KirklesWorth

    I think a nerve has been struck.

    Wow…..Imagine the nerve of them pondering those questions!

    Sarcasm aside, the point was that libertarians lean more towards anarchists than most other political groups. Correct?

    And the alternative is what? How is this something unique to libertarians? Are you saying that as a conservative that you absolutely know where your or my rights start and end in every circumstance? Guess we can do away with the entire judicial system then, since you have it all figured out in advance. About the only group that I know of that believes they know where everyone’s rights begin and end are Shariah compliant Muslims like the Taliban….lol.

    Again, sarcasm and straw men aside, the we are living “the alternative”. Isn’t conservatism is more about rule-of-law and law enforcement than libertarianism?

    And then you go on to equate libertarian beliefs with an inappropriate analogy to a terrorist group like BLM? Seriously?

    Can I not compare the similarities of two groups that share a suspicion of law enforcement? I don’t recall calling libertarians “terrorists”, nor do I think libertarianism is above comparison to whatever I want to compare it to.

    Methinks you really don’t know very much about libertarianism, which should really temper your propensity you’ve had in this thread to speak for them….lol.

    Forgive me if I ignore your recommendations and exercise my free speech rights as I please. You got to criticize me and my opinions.

    ….”nor do I have a hard time proving…..”
    Well that remains to be seen……so far I’ve seen no proof, just a hell of a lot of personal opinion.

    As I’ve seen of you as well. What about this is “opinion” as opposed to fact:

    Would 10 libertarians all have the same views?
    Do libertarians share the same view on personal rights?
    Do libertarians share the same view on abortion?
    Do libertarians think “it is always wrong for one person to initiate force against another?”
    Are libertarians fiscally conservative?
    Are libertarians socially liberal?
    Are libertarians wary of laws and/or law enforcement?
    Do libertarians believe “moralities and freedoms are in the eye of the beholder”?

    The irony of libertarianism is that you can’t have freedom without limiting freedom. And it presupposes that people are wise enough to buy, sell, and act in their own best interests. “Pure” libertarians would be anarcho-capitalists and would permit people to sell themselves / sell their liberty.

  • Mr. Freemarket

    You probably should have included megalomaniacs.

  • Mr. Freemarket

    Lemme see if I understand….
    Hillary is for more big government.
    Johnson is for more big government.
    Trump is for more big government.

  • Mr. Freemarket

    If you believe the founders were Deists, you should return to high school and slap your public school teacher in the face.

  • Mr. Freemarket

    I’ll bet this person is actually a Hillary supporter.

  • Mr. Freemarket

    Yes, if you ignore the fact that what he espouses is the very rare “big government” form of libertarianism.

  • Lee Scuppers

    A Libertarian is somebody who’ll attack anybody who might possibly be an ally. They’re OK with big government. It doesn’t get in the way of their posturing.

    Kind of like a Principled Conservative, when you think about it.

  • Jack Bauer

    Kirk,

    I can already see that your debate technique when called out, is to respond with non-sequiturs and a barrage of tangential baloney, in the hopes that the other party eventually gets worn down trying to respond to assertions going in a hundred different directions. But we’re not going to do that. Instead, let’s focus down on this for now:

    …”What about this is “opinion” as opposed to fact:”….

    Good start as a heading, and using the colon, signifying we are to consider what follows is factual support of your argument. But then instead of listing facts, you list questions, that presumably you have opinions about in your own mind. Again….these are not facts— so I guess we’re still waiting for those. So for right now, I have to answer your question that it’s ALL opinion as opposed to facts.

    Worse yet, implicit in the questions, is the idea that these questions need only be asked of libertarians, unless of course, you are saying that all conservatives march in complete lock-step on every single conceivable issue, being either incapable or unwilling to question how they should think about a given subject, and obediently follow some predetermined, cast in stone, set of beliefs for every occasion, incapable of, or with an aversion to, any form of critical thinking. ( And to think, that would mean that one of my mentors, Bill Buckley, being one of the founders of modern conservatism was apparently not the consummate critical thinker that I always thought he was… LMAO).

    So you tell me: would all conservatives answer your questions in exactly the same way? Of course not!!! I’m now beginning to wonder how much you know about conservatism, let alone libertarianism…..lol.

    The only reason I took issue with any of this, is not because I want to engage in an argument with someone who has such a stunning lack of knowledge about the subject matter at hand, but as someone who regards himself pretty much a libertarian, I have to sit here and wonder how much uninformed insult one must be willing to swallow before speaking up.

    So far in this thread, two people (whom I happen to like BTW), have made the ridiculous assertions that among other things, libertarians are indecisive, really have no core beliefs, are one step away from being anarchists (my personal favorite), or that they are anti-Jesus…..yikes!

    Tell me something Kirk’….how are you really any different when it comes to bias and prejudice than ol’ bullethead who reflexively labels everyone who disagrees with him on any point, as a progressive? Aren’t you also engaging in ascribing a set of beliefs on another person or group of people that you really know nothing about?

    I certainly wouldn’t ascribe beliefs upon you. I have no idea what your views are on most issues, but whatever they are, I believe you are entitled to them, and moreover would defend your right to have them, whatever they are. But I certainly wouldn’t sit here and make assumptions about your beliefs, or for that matter ALL conservatives.

    Say,… there was one accurate statement you wrote about libertarian principles:

    …. “And it presupposes that people are wise enough to buy, sell, and act in their own best interests”.

    This is true. It’s called Liberty and Natural Rights, and even applies to situations where that best interest might include the establishment of limited government to adopt reasonable laws that are fair and equitable to the greatest numbers of its citizens.

  • 762×51

    More like a tRump supporter, which I guess is the same thing since it ensures Hillary’s election. They hate Conservatives as much or more than the Hillary people.

  • 762×51

    Let’s try that sentence with one word changed.

    “anti Jesus? time for fresh air and sunshine. If you believe in tRump that’s fine, expecting anybody else to is no better than what isis does.”

    Yep, still works, nice job.

    Now everyone stand back and watch the eruption.

  • 762×51

    Facts mean nothing to jerklesworth, it only cares about its narrative.

  • 762×51

    Spoken like a true Progressive.

  • Jack Bauer

    Washington (who was very private about his beliefs, but as his friends described him), Franklin, Jefferson, Madison….all deists. And there were others.

    O.K….not Adams….he was a Universalist (which is pretty similar….lol). Rather than me slapping my teachers, who have nothing to do with the reason I know this, (and are likely all dead by now), why don’t you tell me why you believe they weren’t. Deists do possess a strong belief in God or an Almighty Creator, you know…..

    In recent years, a handful of Fundamentalist Christian evangelists have launched a campaign to now claim all of the Framers as Christian, but the claims are not supported by historical documentation. Indeed, over the past two centuries, the idea that many or a majority of the Framers were Deists was never even questioned until the last decade or so, nor was it ever perceived as a problem over those same centuries by a nation populated by people who were a majority of Christian denominations.

    This leads many on the Religious Right to contend that because they assert that the founders were all Christian, that means we are a Christian nation, and therefore we should apply Christian principles to our government. While I have nothing against Christian principles personally, the promoters of this idea are dead wrong.

    The framers were adamant that there would be no conflation of a particular religious set of beliefs, including their own, with the newly formed government. Being well educated, they knew that history was overflowing with examples that did conflate government and religion, and they wanted no part of it. Hence the rather hastily added 1st Ammendment that the atheists are fond of distorting:

    “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”
    (very libertarian BTW…..lol)

    Were the claim of the evangelists to be true, surely the Framers would have made some reference to Christian beliefs in the Constitution, for example, as being a source of citizens rights. But not only did Madison make no references to Christ or Christianity, there was no mention of God either.

    In the Declaration, Jefferson made no reference to Christianity either, but did make a subtle reference to the source of our rights, hence the phrase:

    “the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them”…..

  • CTsOpinion

    Screwball is too polite a description for a clueless idiot like Gary Johnson.

  • Deserttrek

    bb boys still stalks the web. what the matter run put of porn?

  • Jodie

    Deserttrek,

    I don’t “expect” Libertarians to follow Jesus. I have just observed that they normally don’t. This is obvious based on your response and some of the other responses to my comment. Most of the Libertarian’s responses were anto-Christian, just like yours.

  • KirklesWorth

    I thought you were insuring Hillary’s election by attacking Trump and starting your civil war to murder progressives?

  • KirklesWorth

    Whereas your “method” of debate is to turn it on to the person debating and bloviate. The only response you’ve made is an agreement to “and it presupposes that people are wise enough to buy, sell, and act in their own best interests” – everything else has been an evasion. You write quite a lot to say that you don’t have to respond.

    Let’s start from the beginning, if I may be so bold as to reference Wikipedia:

    Libertarianism is a collection of political philosophies that uphold liberty. Libertarians seek to maximize autonomy and freedom of choice, emphasizing political freedom, voluntary association, and the primacy of individual judgment.

    Libertarians generally share a skepticism of authority; however, they diverge on the scope of their opposition to existing political and economic systems. Various schools of libertarian thought offer a range of views regarding the legitimate functions of state and private power, often calling to restrict or to dissolve coercive social institutions.

    Some libertarians advocate laissez-faire capitalism and strong private property rights, such as in land, infrastructure, and natural resources. Others, notably libertarian socialists, seek to abolish capitalism and private ownership of the means of production in favor of their common or cooperative ownership and management. An additional line of division is between minarchists and anarchists. While minarchists think that a minimal centralized government is necessary, anarchists propose to completely eliminate the state.

    I think that I basically said some of those things that you didn”t offer replies to – but I can post more if you desire.

  • Deserttrek

    get a grip on reality … not believing or following jesus is not anti christian. grow up or go join isis, that is their mindset too.

  • KirklesWorth

    How did you extract all that from that graph? The only thing you could possibly take away from that graph is:

    Trump and Johnson are more liberal on defense issues.
    Gary Johnson is centrist on Individual rights.
    Donald Trump is more conservative on individual rights.
    Trump and Johnson are more conservative on domestic issues.
    Trump and Johnson are more conservative on economic issues.

    If you want to throw Hillary in for fun, so be it.

  • KirklesWorth

    The only “fact” you want is Trump’s defeat so you can have your “progressive”-killing civil war.

  • 762×51

    As I have said repeatedly jerkles, you have already done all that by forcing tRmp on everyone.

    Progressives like you always blame others what they have done themselves. Only Progressives think war is murder. Sounds like you are getting nervous, proggie progtard, LMAO!

  • 762×51

    What’s the matter sonny, can’t handle the truth? LMAO!

  • Deserttrek

    bb boy with his tiny pistol ……. loser in the basement masturbating while he looks at his red ryder …. yup you are doing just fine bb boy

  • 762×51

    Projection is not “fact”, jerkles, and the outcome of this election is meaningless. I have been telling the readers at MB that civil war is coming for years now as I have watched it building, dating all the way to the Bush 43 presidency, but being a NOOB troll here, you wouldn’t know that. In other words, it has nothing to do with your cult leader, he was still a Democrat in those days.

    My life is not consumed by tRump or Hillary for that matter, as yours obviously is, amusing considering the sophomoric level of political calculations you employ to arrive at your fallacious conclusions. Regardless, thanks to you and the rest of the Trumpanzee Chorus, civil war is guaranteed by drones like you, I simply intend to utilize it to rid society of Progressives which seems to bother you quite a bit. Sounds more and more like I was right about you from the outset.

  • 762×51

    Dear me, such language, I am so offended. I shall await the “ban hammer” to see if your post reaches that level of offensiveness. It if fails to strike, I will know it has been lifted and I can resume my previous treatment of you vile Trumpanzee cowards.

  • KirklesWorth

    Your life is consumed with your lust for killing “progressives” in your so-called “civil war”. Spare me your senseless lectures, laughable condescension, and outright stupidity.

  • Deserttrek

    Jack,

    Thank you for the clear, logical, and open minded responses. Those who want to smear Libertarians as anti Jesus and worse, will never open their minds. They will argue “liberals” have closed minds, then they tell me I am anti Jesus and more because I don’t believe. The inability to distinguish the difference between disagree and anti is one of the major issues that is driving the destruction of the Republic.

    Natural rights cannot be given, the religious folks need to understand that, we all them and start from there.

  • KirklesWorth

    “by forcing tRmp on everyone” – prove it liar.
    “Progressives like you” – prove it liar.
    “Only Progressives think war is murder. ” – LOL!
    “Sounds like you are getting nervous” – you wish. How well have your threats worked for you so far, who cowardly posts as a guest?
    “proggie progtard” – prove it you lying middle-school-insult-user.

  • Deserttrek

    still hard bb boy? keep stroking loser

  • Bully

    What’s rarely mentioned about any Libertarian, should one ever be elected POTUS, is that he wouldn’t likely have a single Libertarian member in the House or Senate. Without that support what could a Libertarian POTUS ever accomplish?

  • Brian Brandt

    No, I get it, even if Mika doesn’t. He’s saying that he could do the Alfred E. Neuman routine and still be better than the two main candidates.

  • Lee Scuppers

    Moron. Progressives don’t say things like that. What planet do you live on?

    You must be a True Conservative, hiding in the closet pissing your pants every time some fat feminist calls you a “raaacist”.

  • Mr. Freemarket

    You are sadly misinformed. Consider the quotes from many of the founders found here: http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=8755
    It would indeed be difficult to find an example of one of the founders who believed in God who didn’t believe in Christ. Feel free to provide a quote to support your position.
    In fact it was widely acknowledged through the Second World War that the US was a Christian nation. What the founders didn’t support was favoring one Christian church over another.

  • Mr. Freemarket

    I can find numerous examples of Trump favoring big government.

  • KirklesWorth

    Okay. Who will give you the least amount of big government? Reagan gave us bigger government.

  • Mr. Freemarket

    And I didn’t make reference to the graph in my response either.

    Reagan identified the government as the problem. In that respect he was conservative. He lowered the top tax rate a lot. In that respect he was conservative. He is not the icon of all things conservative.

  • KirklesWorth

    Okay, so we are in agreement. I was confused because I thought you were commenting on the graph and making conclusions based on that.

  • Mr. Freemarket

    Graphs are an alternative to statistics which, of course, you can make indicate anything that you want.

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