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Oct 23 2016

Feds Renege; Vets Forced to Pay Back Bonuses

By now we all know better than to trust government. But it may be even less trustworthy than we knew:

Short of troops to fight in Iraq and Afghanistan a decade ago, the California National Guard enticed thousands of soldiers with bonuses of $15,000 or more to reenlist and go to war.

Now the Pentagon is demanding the money back.

Nearly 10,000 soldiers, many of whom served multiple combat tours, have been ordered to repay large enlistment bonuses — and slapped with interest charges, wage garnishments and tax liens if they refuse — after audits revealed widespread overpayments by the California Guard at the height of the wars last decade.

Investigations have determined that lack of oversight allowed for widespread fraud and mismanagement by California Guard officials under pressure to meet enlistment targets.

The fraud and mismanagement are not the fault of the vets, who made a deal and then put their lives on the line. They risked being crippled in combat; now they are crippled by unjust debt.

Jim Jamitis offers a solution:

These men and women are victims of fraud committed by the government, yet they are being held accountable for making the government whole. That’s insane. Why not cancel a couple of presidential vacations and call it even?

Too many people have been brainwashed into believing that everything is secure and guaranteed so long as Big Government is running it. Nothing could be further from the truth, which is why the role of government should be minimal in any area that can be handled effectively by the private sector. Imagine the boobs demanding repayment of these bonuses having total control of your healthcare.

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Nixing a couple vacations by the CiC ought to cover all of it.

On tips from N0T2L8, Stormfax, and Steve A.



  • SkankHunt42✓ᴰᵉᵖˡᵒʳᵃᵇˡᵉ

    Yep, not rigged at all. Trump is being paranoid and undermines the integrity of US elections. SMH.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ca15e0e7d709fbac02294334aea89ebe4f23f7e085665d9296ad7a6fdbd6f0f4.jpg

  • TrojanMan

    What does this have to with the above topic? Sure it’s rigged and Trump was pivotal to the rigging.

  • Mr. Freemarket

    Ronald Reagan nailed it:
    Government is the problem.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XObcP69dhCg

  • God, the Crotch and NRO

    There’s a bright side to this. It’s unlikely that any revolt would be able to succeed without support from the military, and this might go a long way in convincing them. This isn’t the 18th century where it’s your muskets against theirs. If you want a revolt to succeed, you’re going to need to have some serious hardware on your side. This may accomplish it. Remember the Bonus Marches.

  • Azsteve53

    Unbelievable, outright fraud by the government, how many died who accepted those bonuses, are their families going to be billed???

    Someone needs to grow a pair and put a stop to this

  • 762×51

    Skank*unt ALWAYS tries to make every thread about his special love interest. That is the level of his psychopathy With any luck, in 14 days he will off himself as his cult goes down in flames..

  • JackisBack

    Total sbags in this government that no parent in good conscience should allow thier child to take up arms in it defence when it treats invaders better than its vetetans

  • 762×51

    All of the “trigger pullers” I know are on the side of the American people, not the government. As for “serious hardware”, complex weapons systems require a team to operate. The F/A aircraft pilot may be on board with the administration but if the fuelers refuse to fuel the aircraft it isn’t going anywhere. If the pilot and fuelers are all onboard but the armors won’t arm the aircraft it can get there but has no ordnance to drop, etc. The same with artillery, armor and other complex systems. If the comms battalion takes down their gear, nothing works so all units are ineffective. CAS cannot function effectively without JTAC, and so on.

    I had an occasion a couple of years ago to meet and speak with some Guard guys who were Armored Cavalry in a very rough and rural area in the central CONUS. They are definitely not on the side of government against the American people. I observed to one commander that the terrain there would be exceedingly difficult to navigate in heavy armor. He just smiled and said they have played around with scenarios where an “aggressor” force of armor is drawn into certain areas and annihilated by them because of their specialized knowledge of the terrain.

    In any case, this will by necessity be an asymmetric warfare scenario and in many cases will come down to our muskets vs. their muskets.

  • Eddie_Valiant

    Pretty sure it won’t be any resident of 1600 Penn Ave, now or future.

  • Silence Dogood

    It’s time for revolution people. It’s time to get off our colllective posteriors and do what our forefathers did. Shed the ever tightening yoke of soft tyranny before it gets to the point of no return. We already know that the framers did this for far less. They did it over a freaking TEA TAX. Here we have them lying, cheating and rigging elections. What’s it gonna take?

  • BJ54

    It has never been possible to be in the military and expect the government to keep its word. Do not kid yourself: once you sign the papers to be in the military, it no longer matters what you want. It matters only what the government wants. You may be fortunate and get what you want, but you may not. The government can only hand out to anyone what it has already taken from someone else in any case.

  • Feet2Fire – The Deplorable

    This is disgraceful, but it’s not the first time it has happened. Here’s another shameful case, eerily similar but many magnitudes worse, that was recently featured on Oliver North’s “War Stories” TV program. Wonder how many Americans even know about this–and the roles played by Hoover, MacArthur, Patton, and Eisenhower? This is an important part of our military/political history; hope folks will take the time to read it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Army

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/06/USA-Cinderella-Stamp-1932_Pay_the_Bonus.jpg/220px-USA-Cinderella-Stamp-1932_Pay_the_Bonus.jpg

    The Bonus Army was the popular name for an assemblage of some 43,000 marchers—17,000 U.S. World War I veterans, their families, and affiliated groups—who gathered in Washington, D.C. in the summer of 1932 to demand cash-payment redemption of their
    service certificates. Organizers called the demonstrators the “Bonus Expeditionary Force”, to echo the name of World War I’s American Expeditionary Forces, while the media referred to them as the “Bonus Army” or “Bonus Marchers”. The contingent was led by Walter W. Waters, a former U.S. Army sergeant.

    Many of the war veterans had been out of work since the beginning of the Great Depression. The World War Adjusted Compensation Act of 1924 had awarded them bonuses in the form of certificates they could not redeem until 1945. Each service certificate, issued to a qualified veteran soldier, bore a face value equal to the soldier’s promised payment plus compound interest. The principal demand of the Bonus Army was the immediate cash payment of their certificates. …

    On July 28, U.S. Attorney General William D. Mitchell ordered the veterans removed from all government property. Washington police met with resistance, shots were fired and two veterans were wounded and later died. President Herbert Hoover then ordered the Army to clear the veterans’ campsite. Army Chief of Staff General Douglas MacArthur commanded the infantry and cavalry supported by six tanks. The Bonus Army marchers with their wives and children were driven out, and their shelters and belongings burned. [Emphasis added]

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/43/Bonus_army_on_Capitol_lawn_cph.3a00515.jpg/220px-Bonus_army_on_Capitol_lawn_cph.3a00515.jpg

    Police shooting

    The marchers remained at their campsite waiting for Hoover to act. On July 28, 1932, Attorney General William D. Mitchell rdered the police to remove the Bonus Army veterans from their camp. When the veterans moved back into it, police drew their revolvers and
    shot at the veterans, two of whom, William Hushka and Eric Carlson, died later.[11][12]

    Hushka (1895– July 28, 1932) was an immigrant to the United States from Lithuania. When the US entered World War I in 1917, he sold his butcher shop in St. Louis, Missouri and joined the United States Army. After the war, he lived in Chicago.[12] Hushka is buried in Arlington National Cemetery.[citation needed]

    Carlson (1894 – August 2, 1932) was a US veteran from Oakland, California. He fought in the trenches of France in World War I.[12][13][14] He was interred in Arlington National Cemetery.[15]

    When told of the shootings, Hoover ordered the army to evict the Bonus Army from Washington.

    Army intervention

    At 4:45 p.m., commanded by General Douglas MacArthur, the 12th Infantry Regiment, Fort Howard, Maryland, and the 3rd Cavalry Regiment, supported by six battle tanks commanded by Maj. George S. Patton, formed in Pennsylvania Avenue while thousands of civil service
    employees left work to line the street and watch. The Bonus Marchers, believing the troops were marching in their honor, cheered the troops until Patton ordered[citation needed] the cavalry to charge them, which prompted the spectators to yell, “Shame! Shame!”

    After the cavalry charged, the infantry, with fixed bayonets and tear gas (adamsite, an arsenical vomiting agent) entered the camps, evicting veterans, families, and camp followers. The veterans fled across the Anacostia River to their largest camp, and Hoover ordered the assault stopped. MacArthur chose to ignore the president and ordered a new attack, claiming that the Bonus March was an attempt to overthrow the US government; 55 veterans were injured and 135 arrested.[12] A veteran’s wife miscarried. When 12-week-old Bernard Myers died in the hospital after being caught in the tear gas attack, a government
    investigation reported he died of enteritis, and a hospital spokesman said the tear gas “didn’t do it any good.”[16]

    During the military operation, Major Dwight D. Eisenhower, later the 34th president of the United States, served as one of MacArthur’s junior aides.[17] Believing it wrong for the Army’s highest-ranking officer to lead an action against fellow American war veterans, he strongly advised MacArthur against taking any public role: “I told that dumb son-of-a-bitch not to go down there,” he said later. “I told him it was no place for the Chief of Staff.”[18] Despite his misgivings, Eisenhower later wrote the Army’s official incident report that endorsed MacArthur’s conduct.

    _________________

    –Will never feel the same about Eisenhower, MacArthur or Patton, ever again.

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