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Dec 01 2016

Those Who Do Not Learn From History…

If the massive importation of hostile refugees into Europe gives you a sense of déjà vu, you might be a student of Roman history:

In 410 A.D. the walls of Rome were breached and the city plundered by a barbarian army under the leadership of Alaric the Goth. … The fall of Rome shocked the world at the time, but what is not generally known nowadays is that the Gothic army that carried out the atrocity had entered the Empire thirty years earlier as refugees.

The Goths were brought in after being driven out of their Eastern European homeland by invading Huns.

By the summer of 376 an enormous host of Goths, generally estimated at around 100,000, arrived at the River Danube and pleaded with the Roman authorities to be allowed into the Empire.

The Eastern Emperor Valens, at that moment stationed in Antioch, eventually gave permission for the Therving tribe, which comprised about half the total number of Gothic refugees, to be ferried across the river. For at least two centuries prior to this the Romans had actively recruited barbarians into the army (necessary because of Rome’s abysmally low birth-rate) and Valens reasoned that the Goths would provide a valuable pool of new and cheap recruits. The operation to ferry these people across the Danube was an enormous and costly one and took several weeks to complete and, as Ammianus Marcellinus sarcastically comments, “diligent care was taken that no future destroyer of the Roman state should be left behind, even if he were smitten by a fatal disease.”

Unsurprisingly, within a few weeks of their entry into the Empire, the first clashes with the Roman authorities occurred, and by the end of the summer the Goths were at war with Rome.

Even in defeat, Goths were rewarded by Rome’s degenerate leadership, whereas patriots who defended Rome against them were punished.

The parallels to the currently unfolding situation are eerie, leading the author Emmet Scott to ask,

What kind of society brings in barbarians who cannot be assimilated in order to replace the children it refused to have; which excuses and rewards the horrific crimes of those barbarians; and which punishes patriots who try to stop the depredations of the said barbarians?

The answer, of course, is a dying society.

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Refugees sacking Rome.

On a tip from Sean C.


  • physicsnut
  • Wilberforce

    With a nation full of Benjamin Ryans (see Dave’s earlier post), overrunning a country like this should be a breeze…

  • MAS

    Been thinking about the fall of Rome in this context for awhile. Fat, decadent, and willfully ignorant defines them at the time and it certainly can be applied to western civilization as well. It’s like our fellow citizens have a suicide gene, they are doing a bunch of things that do not lead to a strong country like damaging traditional marriage, endorsing infanticide, homosexuality, etc. The question is do we have enough time to turn the tide?

  • KirklesWorth

    You mean those who don’t learn from history how the country moves farther left faster if a democrat is not prevented from becoming president? Yes, I could see that point.

  • Gene

    Muslims have been invading non-Muslim countries and committing atrocities for 1400 years, it’s what they do. Ignorant people have just gotten used to it. Until we fix the schools and start teaching the truth about Islam nothing will change. Idiots will continue to make policy and you can’t fix stupid.

  • MAS

    Hear hear…!

  • Torcer

    Terror and Narrative™
    Another murderous Mohammedan migrant attempted the 6th and primary Pillar of Islam at the Ohio State University in Columbus this week. It made an initial splash in the news, and then was quickly hustled off the front pages and out of the 24-hour cable cycle, for Narrative™ violations.

    The chain of events went something like this:

    1 Somali “refugee” goes a-jihad with car and machete.
    2 Cops ventilate him. (Good).
    3 Media fake-newses “active shooter event.”
    4 Moms Demand etc. call for gun bans, and mourn the shot jihadi. (Remember when they mourned Tamerlan Tsarnaev?)
    http://weaponsman.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/shannon-15-watts-300×124.jpg
    https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/803272416428429312
    5. The Jihadi’s ID and motive were close-held by the media, but leaked, inevitably.
    6. He posted his desire to “kill a billion infidels” on Facebook.
    https://twitter.com/pspoole/status/803418811194019840
    7. Fallback media position: his motive is unknown.
    8..School paper hailed his diversity, back before he was an attempted murderer.
    [..]
    And Think Progress condemns the OSU attack because… wait for it… it
    raised tension in an American community already facing demonization….left them in a vulnerable state

    A gun-control activist at Yahoo News, one Caitlin Dixon, meanwhile, belatedly admitted that the attacker didn’t use a gun, but because she and other media fabricators initially reported that he did, it was time to “look at Ohio gun laws.” True, although not the way she means; Ohio is late on the campus carry and constitutional carry trains.
    http://weaponsman.com/?p=37088

  • JackisBack

    NJ Public School teachers are making sure that they indoctrinate their students with Prentice Hall History books that state that Islam is peaceful. The seven pillars of Islam were on a test that I kept from my daughter’s school.. NJ Public school teachers give aid and comfort to the enemy.

  • TrojanMan

    Interesting you bring up Rome. After Julius Caesar was assassinated the Roman senate backed Octavius in part because they saw him as the “lesser of evils” over Mark Antony. Now how did that turn out again?

    Either way Rome was moving toward anarchy which leads to an Oligarchy, hence the Emperors.

  • TrojanMan

    It is the norm. All civilizations go through cycles. None have been without turmoil or war/civil war. We are no different.

  • Jack Bauer

    Like Mark Twain once said famously:

    “History may not always repeat itself, but it does rhyme”

  • Fiberal

    Now I understand that when the old saw of comparisons between the Roman Empire and the United States come up, everyone wants to jump in with some bit of knowledge they have just got to share about Rome.

    But from Octavius to the Fall? You are talking about a difference of what, over 1,000 years?

    Great Caesars Ghost do you have to make it so obvious?

  • Ken Abbott

    From Octavian/Augustus to the traditional date of the fall of the Western Empire (AD 476) was 500 years, in round numbers.

  • Ken Abbott

    On the other hand, this event (the Gothic sack of Rome) was the occasion for Augustine of Hippo to write his masterpiece “The City of God.” So there’s that.

  • 762×51

    “I understand that when the old saw of comparisons between the Roman Empire and the United States come up, everyone wants to jump in with some bit of knowledge they have just got to share about Rome.”

    But of course his Royal Heinous, Lord fibtard of Swineherd, knows more about everything. Except you are wrong, you condescending little douche bag.

  • 762×51

    No jerklesTwerp, he said “you can’t fix stupid” like idiots who cannot grasp the difference between azimuth and velocity. They just don’t get how the horizontal speed over the edge of cliff has no affect on the splatter pattern left at the bottom. Who’s microscopic brains cannot grasp that political parties play no part in ideology any longer as Progressives run both major parties. Their fractured and fractional minds can only hold one variable “not Hillary” but cannot understand the rest of a complex calculation and so make the wrong choice.

    Unfortunately, their stupidity is amplified by their smug arrogance and deceitful dogma which will not allow them to admit or even recognize their mistake. Even as they continue to play the fool while the joke is on them. You are a deceitful moron.

  • 762×51

    We do not have time to “turn the tide” by the means you would prefer, therein lies the problem. Had a counter-Progressive movement started in earnest 25 or 30 years ago, maybe it could have been successful, but the “Reagan Revolution” died out at the hands of the Progressive Bush’s and BJ Clinton. The problems we face today cannot be reversed at the ballot box or in the courts. The enemy has gained too much ground having been almost completely unopposed for over 100 years.

    Totalitarian fascism can only be defeated by force of arms, it has never been stopped any other way.

  • MAS

    The means I prefer .308 is the Gospel of Jesus Christ and if you don’t understand the accuracy and caliber of that it would be wise to do some soul doping.

  • Fiberal

    Did I say fall of the Western Roman Empire?

    No.

    The capture of Constantinople by the Islamic Ottoman army 1453 AD marks the end of the Roman empire. Therefore, you have well over a 1,000 years from Octavius.

    Once again, I am correct.
    Once again, you stand corrected.

  • 762×51

    I know that is your preferred means, that is what I meant.

    However, evil has advanced too far, it is obvious that Christianity is on the run. The Catholic Church is all but lost, money changers rule the day in most other denominations, the point being that the Word is as strong as ever but the mechanism by which it is spread is broken, rusted and falling apart due to human failings.

    All of that can be repaired by folks like you ,OVER TIME, which is what we do not have right now. I have seen evil destroyed, by my own hand, and driving it back into the darkness is the only means I have of buying you and others that time. You don’t want me spreading the Word, I’d be terrible at it, but I can effectively stand in the path of evil and make it wish it was never created.

    The opposite of peace is not war, the opposite of peace is slavery. Whether you want to be at war with them or not is irrelevant, the enemy is at war with you. As Thomas Jefferson said: Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem. I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery.

  • KirklesWorth

    You don’t learn period. You obviously didn’t learn from this stupidity:

    762×51: Not only is tRump a surefire loser but he will also cause the loss of the Senate and possibly even the House. The Trumpanzee Progressives have done what they set out to do, elect Hillary Clinton.

    But then again, you are willing to let the country go further left to try and start your “progressive”-killing civil war with Hillary as your leader, so your stupidity is apparent – the paragon of progressive useful idiots. But for you, all you ironically keep repeating is “Everybody’s a ‘progressive’! Help! Help! I’m being repressed!”.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8ukak8P2vY

  • Artfuldgr

    hard to believe that these people are responsible for the fall of two cultures
    Rome and Western Civ
    https://d2fzf9bbqh0om5.cloudfront.net/images/5083/original/the_7_most_thrilling_gothic_festivals_and_events_worldwide.jpg?1415272006

  • Fiberal

    You mean those who don’t learn from history how the country moves
    farther left faster if a democrat is not prevented from becoming
    president?

    You notice how Midge just can’t address the question.

    Now he’s a pilot with all kinds of coordinate systems and equations off the top of his head.

    I guess my earlier pilot post got to him.

    Left to idiots like this and the other anti-trumpers, we would have Cowliary setting up U.S. technology for sale with the rest of the American uranium supply offered as a bonus.

    What a fool. What a midget. What a phony war hero. What a hairdresser.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qGPgr6Nuck

  • 762×51

    Did the original poster you replied to say Western Roman Empire?

    No.

    Once again, you are an arrogant elitist prik who can’t stand to be corrected.

    Once again, I am right.

  • Fiberal

    You just keep pissing on yourself. You are small in stature and trivial in mentality.

    No Stupid. AD 455 was the date that Rome was sacked by the vandals. Abbott’s date AD 476 refers to the first barbarian emperor which was effectively the fall of the Western Roman Empire.

    Listen. Don’t argue with your betters.

    You are a loser and will always lose.

  • 762×51

    Which the original poster you were replying to was talking about ROME, not the whole Roman Empire or Constantinople, you imbecile. Go back and read the post stuopid, it’s right there. Oh but wait, you will continue to deny it because deceit is all you have. let me clarify this.

    “TrojanMan • 2 days ago
    Interesting you bring up Rome. After Julius Caesar was assassinated the Roman senate backed Octavius in part because they saw him as the “lesser of evils” over Mark Antony. Now how did that turn out again?

    Either way Rome was moving toward anarchy which leads to an Oligarchy, hence the Emperors.”

    See jackhole? HE WAS REFERENCING ROME, not the whole empire, you lying arrogant turd eating scumbag.

    Your adolescent need to always be right an always be bowed to is quite amusing. It exposes your fragile psyche and lack of character better than I ever could, fibtard.

    “My betters”, ROTFLMAO, only in your diaper clad fantasies, little man. You wouldn’t dare that Tcshhhh!!!tttt to my face, coward.

  • MAS

    It’s obvious that while you claim to be a Christian you don’t really understand it friend. Soul doping is very much in order…

    But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come. For men will be…(snipped to focus on the main point I hope to get across)…holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; Avoid such men as these. 2 Timothy 3:1-5

  • Fiberal

    No way, you obscene piece of sawed-off garbage.

    You intervened on Abbott’s comment which referenced the Western Empire who was trying to correct me on the Roman Empire in part. My comment was about 1,000 years to the end marked by historians at Constantinople.

    Capsiche? You should know this stuff. You’re Italian.

    BTW you realize that in this whole thread, you’ve actually contributed nothing but “you’re wrong” and obscenities.

    Absolutely nothing of any substance whatsoever.

    That’s bc you’re an ignorant scumbag that has tried to make his way through life as a cussing dwarf. That’s why you’ve wound up a hairdresser tending to other men in a shabby house on a busy highway.

    You really need to think about your sorry lot in life.

    As for saying it to your face, I’d have to pick you up to see it, runt.

  • 762×51

    LMFAO!! Still unable to read and follow a thread I see. My reference was to the original poster, piss bucket. The one who was talking specifically about ROME, not the empire in general, you blithering idiot. I even copied the text and you still try to lie your way out of it, what a tool.

    Just because I called you on another error does not mean I have contributed nothing of substance and you are such a douche that insulting you comes naturally, your Royal Heinous, Lord Fibtard of Swineherd, ROTHFMFAO!!

    I would very much like to see you say it to my face, wiener boy. Let’s test your “runt” theory, shall we? Come on big mouth, you claim to always be right, bring a couple of your boyfriends, I’ll call them John, so bring your John’s so they can video you proving what you say is true. If you don’t, you will have admitted you are a liar as well as a coward.

  • Fiberal

    Sounds like you’re physically threatening me.

    Is that right?

  • 762×51

    Sounds like you physically threatened me Fibtard.

    “As for saying it to your face, I’d have to pick you up to see it, runt.”

    All I did was offer you an opportunity to act out that threat. As a professional liar, you naturally tried to turn it around against me because that is what Progressives do. All I said was “I would very much like to see you say it to my face, wiener boy.”

    Well, diaper bitch, are you going to back up your threat and actually do it? Or are you going to continue to live in your fantasy world where you are a “big ” man? We both know how much you love to try and push people around and lord over everyone but you are too much of a coward to actually face me, it is quite funny you went down this road. Maybe you should just listen to the voices in your head, they are right about you. LMFAO!!

  • 762×51

    Eat me you useless coward.

    When are you going to carry out your threat big mouth? Still waiting to hear from you on that, your Royal Heinous Lord Fibtard of Swineherd.

  • 762×51

    The polls were correct tRump did lose the popular vote which is what polls measure. even Larry Sabato missed this time, Besides, do you actually think I care what you think of me, princess jerklesTwerp?

    How’s that cabinet full of globalists tRump is going with working out for you and your leader Alex Jones? You and your butt boy Fibtard did a bang up job, I mean, Hillary would have selected a bunch of elitist, bankers, from Goldman Sachs, George Soros and the Rothchilds. Not like tRump, ROTFLMFAO!!!

    You imbecile.

  • KirklesWorth

    The imbecile is you pathetically calling the liberal media “correct”. But what can be expected of someone trying to get Trump defeated so that Hillary could spark your “progressive”-killing civil war – you’d throw away rights and liberties for the chance to murder innocents. And you had the gall to lecture somebody else of the media “playing” them when that poster was right and you were wrong:

    762×51:That is hilarious coming from a media creation surrogate. Who do ypu think made tRump the GOPee nominee? The same “corrupt media” that made Romney, McCain, etc., the nominee. Them and 12 million Democrats who voted for tRump in the Republican Primaries. Want to bet they wont show up for tRump in Nov? The media is playing you like a fiddle in a Jr High band.

    Did Larry Sabato say we were going to lose the Senate? The House? That Hillary was already elected? Did you cite Larry Sabato as your reason for saying this:

    762×51: Not only is tRump a surefire loser but he will also cause the loss of the Senate and possibly even the House. The Trumpanzee Progressives have done what they set out to do, elect Hillary Clinton.

    You are so stupid that you would pine for the worst scenario that you tried to facilitate. Just keep badmouthing Trump, his supporters, and the real conservatives like a good little progressive Your complete lack of objectivity and irrationality entertains us all and I encourage you to keep up the good work.

  • Fiberal

    You didn’t answer the question.

  • 762×51

    Ahhh, yes. I’m not “Christian” enough to suit you, got it.

    People like me are good enough to go out and protect you from your enemies, thereby allowing you to live your, oh so pious lifestyle, but then we aren’t “Christian” enough because of the things we have done in your name. How convenient.

    Fortunately for me, it’s not your call to make so I think I’ll just leave it up to God for now.

  • 762×51

    See jerkles, this is exactly why you are just a cult toady and why no one tries to debate you, because like all Progressives, you just ignore or simply deny FACTS.

    Polls DO reflect the popular vote outcome because the only “poll” for the Electoral College is the one on election day.

    Clinton DID win the popular vote count, doesn’t mean tRump isn’t President – elect, just means she won the popular vote.

    Sabato DID predict Clinton would win 322:216
    http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/2016-president/

    Sabato DID predict a 50/50 outcome in the Senate and with a Clinton win meant the VP Kaine would represent the tie breaker in every vote.
    http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/2016-senate/

    I did cite Sabato several times during the run up to Nov 8, your extensive records on me will reflect that. I did not cite him those specific because I’m not the anal retentive twit you are.

    My posts were based on an aggregate of all available data, you cannot grasp that because the only data your wee, little mind can hold is tRump is not Hillary. Luckily for you, this time it worked out, the exception, not the rule.

    The down side, one you are unwilling to face, is that tRump is picking the same lineup of globalists and elites from Goldman Sachs, Soros and Rothschild’s sources that Hillary would have picked. So, as I also predicted, there is little difference between tRump and Hillary. So far the only cabinet pick she would not have made is Gen Mattis as SecDef. If your boy is willing, the General will stomp a mud hole in hajji’s ass. If that doesn’t happen, it will not be because of the military it will be due to a lack of political will or personal commitment to what he promised to do, again, as predicted. Time will tell, princess, and I will be here to ram it down your contemptible throat at every turn.

  • MAS

    And I’m not militia enough to suit you, got it. Over and out.

  • KirklesWorth

    You mean “facts” like this:

    762×51: Not only is tRump a surefire loser but he will also cause the loss of the Senate and possibly even the House. The Trumpanzee Progressives have done what they set out to do, elect Hillary Clinton.

    Sorry, I ignore lectures from ignorant losers who’d throw the election to Hillary in order to murder “progressives” in their so-called civil war – and then proclaim that they would side against the republicans and Trump if there were one.

    Just keep swallowing up the liberal talking points like a good little progressive. You have nobody in your cult other than your own self-worship

  • 762×51

    Yes I did, you were just too stupid to comprehend the answer.

    This exchange has been particularly insightful, fibtard. For some time now there has been something familiar about your posts and I have finally realized what it is.

    A few years ago, I had an acquaintance, more of an acquaintance of a friend really, who I was forced to deal with a few times. He was a skinny, little ego maniac with a phony “intellect” and an air of superiority over everyone around him, in other words, he was you with your exact mannerisms and attitude. This nut case would look you in the eye and swear that your favorite color was red even though it was green and tell you that you didn’t know what you were talking about, (this actually happened). He would make up vast lies about the simplest things and would lie when the truth would have no real consequences, you, you and you. He was diagnosed with Borderline Personalty Disorder and refused to take the medication that would have helped him. As a common practice, he would make these phony suicide attempts then call someone, whoever it was he wanted attention from, usually women, for help. The usual mechanism was pills but one time, he had no pills for such an attempt and used a small caliber firearm, angled against the side of his head to injure, not kill. The bullet “caught” on the scalp. penetrated his skull and entered his brain, ending the phony attempts and providing relief for all who had the misfortune to have met him.

    I tell you this for a couple of reasons, one to find out if you have been diagnosed yet, and two to let you know there IS something you can do for humanity and especially for those suffering around you.

  • Never forget your history man. Never forget your ancestor mistake. Always learn from the past. It is easier to know the past than to predict future.
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