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Feb 02 2017

From “Repeal” to “Repeal and Replace” to “Repair”

Big Government reached its current massive proportions due to the ratchet effect. Every movement toward a larger, more powerful, and more intrusive government is permanent, because the ratchet only turns one way. That’s why Democrats were willing to commit political hara-kiri to ram ObamaCare through. They knew that once it was law, people would become dependent on it, and it would therefore be unrepealable, like all entitlement programs. Already Republicans are as good as admitting that despite having the power to do so, they have no intention of undoing the mischief:

Some Republicans in Congress are starting to talk more about trying to “repair” Obamacare, rather than simply calling for “repeal and replace.” …

The repair language was discussed by Republicans during their closed-door policy retreat in Philadelphia last week as a better way to brand their strategy. Some of that discussion flowed from views that Republicans may not be headed toward a total replacement, said one conservative House lawmaker who didn’t want to be identified.

ObamaCare will end on the same day as Social Security and Medicare; that is, on the day that ever more unaffordable unfunded entitlements cause the entire system to collapse.

Socialized Medicine
Where this is still headed.

On a tip from J.



  • no healthcare

    your better off with no healthcare then with socialized healthcare. better you get no treatment then socialized treatment.

  • Auburn Rapunzel

    Hey, guy. Lemme spell it out for you:

    Under socialized treatment, you don’t get treatment unless they decide you’re special. THEN you get treated…usually about a year after it’ll be any help.

  • Wilberforce

    Cloward, meet Piven.

  • Jack Bauer

    Yup. Right on cue, the repubs are starting to buckle. Now they know there is someone in the White House that would actually SIGN a bill of repeal, they know the decision to kill this abomination is squarely in their hands. As usual, they demonstrate talk is cheap.
    In a related story, I understand that someone edited the Wikipedia page on the subject of “Invertebrates”. In the rather long list of invertebrate species, someone with an above average sense of humor entered “Paul Ryan’s” name…..lmao

  • MiloMason

    The GOPE RINOS are doing to themselves what the d-cRATs are….
    GOOD RIDDANCE TO BOTH !!!!!

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/951d9096039b0b911343d8acf3aaebdfdba7e9bc03741e6df4b1d7996c43a497.jpg

  • Mr. Freemarket

    You are only partially correct. They know there is someone in the White House that believes that everyone should be covered by health care insurance. He does not believe that the federal role in supplying health care insurance should be eliminated.

  • Auburn Rapunzel

    Oh, is that the convenient excuse this time?

  • ICEvictim

    I am sick and damn tired of these crap weasels! [I will stop there before getting banned for what is ACTUALLY on my mind right now.]

  • Jack Bauer

    …”They know there is someone in the White House that believes that everyone should be covered by health care insurance”….

    And “IF” that is all true, then that is no different from how it has always been. People with no insurance have in the past been able to waltz into our emergency rooms and receive the care they needed, oftentimes skipping out without paying for it. So, it was left up to someone else to pay for it, which generally has translated into working folks with insurance, paying higher premiums. Obamacare is an ill-conceived disaster, but we didn’t exactly have “Nirvana Healthcare” before that. We should be able to do better.

    I don’t know the details of Trump’s plan, if he even has one at this point, and probably you don’t either, but I’m willing to look over the details and consider them when available, rather than making assumptions or predictions of what I think Trump believes. Most of the prognostications and political views ascribed to Trump that I have read in the last 18 months here, (especially in the comments section), so far, have been dead wrong.

  • Mr. Freemarket

    I only reference what Trump has said. When running for president he said “But none of these positive reforms can be accomplished without Obamacare repeal. On day one of the Trump Administration, we will ask Congress to immediately deliver a full repeal of Obamacare.”

    https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/healthcare-reform

    In his interview with 60 minutes, Trump said:
    Scott Pelley: Universal health care?

    Donald Trump: I am going to take care of everybody. I don’t care if it costs me votes or not. Everybody’s going to be taken care of much better than they’re taken care of now.

    Scott Pelley: The uninsured person is going to be taken care of how?

    Donald Trump: They’re going to be taken care of. I would make a deal with existing hospitals to take care of people. And, you know what, if this is probably–

    Scott Pelley: Make a deal? Who pays for it?

    Donald Trump: –the government’s gonna pay for it.
    – Excerpt from transcript of CBS interview with Donald Trump, September 27th, 2015.

    You may not know what Trump believes on health care insurance. I simply quote what he has said.

  • Mr. Freemarket

    The simple truth is that politicians love power, and they will do almost anything to retain power once they have it.

  • 762×51

    ROTFLMFAO!!

    So after 87,649 meaningless votes to repeal / defund OBlowmeCare when it could not possibly go anywhere, the sellout RINO Republitards are going to weasel out on actually doing something for the American people now that they have the power. Who’d a thunk the R flavored Progressives in Congress would weasel out on ditching Obamacare once they had a chance that Democraps could not stop?

    Oh yeah, that was me, which I have taken much criticism over from the Republitard lemmings on MB, and with the full blessing of President Not Hillary. So tell me lemmings, what was the difference this election was supposed to make again?

    This was the point I tried to make before the election, THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN R AND D FLAVORED PROGRESSIVES. I’m betting the pompom squad still doesn’t get it.

  • 762×51

    Getting banned is a concern as MB has implemented R flavored Progressive Political Correctness.

    There isn’t a nickels worth of difference between R and D these days, they are both enemies of the United States.

  • 762×51

    How dare you speak against the cult? LMAO!

    President Not Hillary holds the same beliefs as his predecessor AND Hillary on this issue PLUS many foreign policy issues. Oh yeah, haven’t seen the EO rescinding the illegal and unconstitutional Obama EO on the “dreamers” yet.

    What was the difference supposed to be again?

  • Mr. Freemarket

    The jury is still out on Trump. He may yet produce some useful results. ObamaCare, however, may be just as permanent as Social Security.

  • 762×51

    The R flavored Progressives have had since 2010 to come up with a replacement plan for OBlowMeCare, did their dog eat their homework?

    The RINO sellout maggots have no intentions of ditching it, never did. The dog and pony show of all those phony repeal votes when they couldn’t possibly carry it out were a willful deception, as this proves conclusively.

  • 762×51

    If that turns out to be true, then there is noting he can do that will convince me he is any different than Hillary, or Obama for that matter.

    At that point, it will be time to remove this criminal government by force.

  • Jack Bauer

    Agree with everything you said, with regards to what was stated during the campaign and am completely aware of it all. Off-the-cuff campaign rhetoric however, (which Trump is notorious for), does not constitute a plan of the kind of magnitude that would be required. So all I’m suggesting is, wait until you see a plan before you condemn. Should it turn out to be some half-assed socialistic approach, like Britain or Canada, or a disguised version of Obamacare where they simply simonize the same turd, I’ll be the first to join in the condemnation.

    Is that reasonable?

  • Jack Bauer

    Your posts in this thread desperately smack of a desperation to be right about something…..anything…..lol.

    Virtually every prediction you have made in the last year here about Trump, has turned out to be wrong. You were even willing to eat the unadulterated BS reports and polls of the mainstream media and regurgitate it here, so long as it fit your anti-Trump bias.

    Calling Trump a “progressive” after seeing the people he has picked to serve in his administration, as well as his recent Supreme Court pick, makes you look rabidly incoherent, as does your tiresome solution to every problem in this country, to wit: Having a shooting civil war which you seem to relish. People having cautious optimism about this administration does not constitute them being members of a “cult”, and calling them that, just makes you look like a sore loser.

    Trump wasn’t my pick either. Cruz was. But right now, I find it hard to believe that if we were looking at a Cruz administration that we would have a much more conservative cabinet shaping up, a more conservative VP, or a Supreme Court pick more appropriate than Gorsuch. So I’m willing to wait and see. I also don’t think that Cruz would have had the balls to go after the mainstream media as Trump has. And it’s about G/D time someone did.

    Again, there is no detailed alternative healthcare plan made public yet. Why not wait until there is one before before you start foaming at the mouth about how everyone is a progressive the “same as Hillary” and how “right” you were?

  • 762×51

    LMMFAO! Whatever, pompom boy.

    Like I said, the Republitard PROGRESSIVES have had more than six years to figure out what they are going to do about OBlowMeCare, they had none which is why it isn’t “public”. Plus you completely ignore the FACT that tRump has publicly stated “he is going to take care of everyone”. He fully believes government has a role in healthcare, it doesn’t, instead, you would rather attack me. Sounds to me like are trying desperately to be right about tRump, LMAO!

    His cabinet choices are, on balance, more PROGRESSIVE than Conservative. Mattis – Okay, Kelly, Okay, Gorsuch – we will see, maybe okay. Otherwise they are a bunch of Keynesian Globalists and Soros minions, that is FACT. R flavored Progressive apologists like you will not even acknowledge, much less address, that so no discussion is even possible.

    tRump going after the media might be entertaining but has no net affect for the American people so BFD. RESULTS, that is what matters, your lame yet blind drooling support for him is pathetic. JOBS, INCOME, health people can afford, that is what the majority of Americans care about, not some pissing match between the media and an egomaniac.

    GFY.

  • Jack Bauer

    Many of us came to that conclusion way back when Ross Perot was running for POTUS. Only back then he said there wasn’t “a dimes worth of difference”. (Must have been a devaluation….lol). Nevertheless: “Welcome aboard”.

    Most of the commenters here on MB are not dedicated repubs like you are trying to imply. Your position with regards to dems and repubs is not unique nor even uncommon here, and to a large extent, you are preaching to the choir. And accusing Dave of having a policy of any kind of “progressive political correctness” is goofy, bordering on irrational.

    And just remember: So far many of the things that Trump has said and done (over just two weeks) have pissed off the GOP establishment as much as the dems.

  • Mr. Freemarket

    I try to push in the direction of conservativism/constitutionalism prior to a plan being presented. When it is presented, it’s really too late to have any effect.

  • Mr. Freemarket

    If/when we remove this government by force, it will likely be replaced by something worse. We have virtually no great thinkers today similar to the founders, and the citizens have far less virtue than those did of old.

  • 762×51

    What is political correctness but the banning of vocabulary by one group for no other reason than they don’t like what those words mean. That is exactly what was done here to placate a group of whiners because they didn’t like what was being said. I have vehemently defended Dave and his positions many times over the last decade, he was wrong about this and I told him so directly. I also acknowledged his right to do so because MB is his private property, that doesn’t make it not political correctness.

    So some things tRump says pisses off the GOPee establishment, BFD. That is not the test as to what is conservative and what is not, never has been. Since you cannot or will not grasp the fact that PROGRESSIVES exist in both parties, I don’t expect you to be able to grasp that some of them are more PROGRESSIVE than others, just as in the Democrap party, i.e., Sanders vs. Clinton. Most of the GOPee today would be far left Democrats during the Kennedy administration, even a cursory examination of history proves that. They are nothing more than an enemy 5th column and should be treated as such.

    Some years ago, it was common practice on MB to refer to Obama voters as Obama Zombies. They were the swine who pushed that crap about not criticizing the president, yada, yada. Trumpanzee pompom squad does exactly the same thing today only about tRump. I shall criticize Not Hillary when and where I see fit. You don’t like it I don’t care.

  • Jack Bauer

    Yup whatever…..”bulletman”,….lol.
    Everyone here is automatically labeled a progressive if they disagree with you about anything. No one else here has the vast incomparable wisdom to see that there are progressives in the repub party except YOU….. WOW. No kidding? REALLY? And all of this won’t be solved until we get into a shooting war with them. Yada, yada, yada.

    We’ve got it already……lol.
    Seriously, you’re getting to be like an old vaudeville act.

    Your posts don’t even make any sense. For example show a post where I demonstrate that I’m a “pom pom waver” for Trump, (oh…excuse me, I meant “tRump”. Man that is so f’n clever, mature, and never gets old….), or one where I demonstrate that I’m a “progressive apologist”, or show him “blind drooling support”. You can’t. And that means but one thing: that you are just full of crap, because all you have to offer are empty insults!

    You are right about one thing thing though. An intelligent conversation is not possible with you because it’s like trying to reason with a 13 year old who can only resort to childish name calling.

  • 072591

    There is a very significant point that NOBODY is talking about: the damage has already been done and can’t be undone; “just repeal it” will only make things worse.

    Let’s say Obamacare gets undone today. House passes it, senate passes it, president signs it, goes into effect tomorrow. The old health care coverage is not going to come back. Ever. The companies are not going to reduce their prices in response, and certainly not to what they were beforehand. Medical facilities are not going to undo the rules they put into place because they had to put them there; too much work that they don’t have to do. What will go away are any of the positive benefits that were required.

    In practice this will mean, for example, that the insurance companies will charge the same rates but reinstate the maximum lifetime coverage limits. People are used to paying the current premiums, so the companies don’t have to turn away money. But reinstating the caps means that people will get less coverage for that money.

    In short, simply repealing it will cause things to be even worse than they were before it was passed.

  • Jack Bauer

    Sure….but you don’t need to push me in that direction, I’m already with you on that……lol. You won’t find a more vehement anti-communist, anti-socialism, anti-moonbat, anti RINO, than me. We’re on the same team, brother….lol.

    And thanks for the spirited and polite exchange, BTW…. 🙂

  • Jack Bauer

    Agreed….History is certainly on your side in that apprehension, as nations like the U.S. have proven to be the anomalies rather than the norm.

    That’s what is also scary and risky about the idea put forth by folks like Mark Levin, to call for a Constitutional Convention. I love Levin, but God knows what could happen, and what we could end up with. As your post implied: Sometimes the devil you know is better than the one you don’t”. I would just add the corollary to that rule that: “everything is relative”.

  • Jack Bauer

    This is all unfortunately true. Which makes it even more of an abomination that this thing was forced down our throats, because to fix it, is going to require some creative thinking and a lot of hard work. It would have been far easier to fix what we had.

    You won’t find me quoting my former pompous idiot, fruitcake congressman Barney Frank very often, but he KNEW what he was talking about when in an interview in the hallway in the capital he was asked what he thought of Obamacare. He said it was a “first step”, and probably the only way they could get on a path to “single payer”. So setting us up with something we couldn’t simply switch off, was part of the plan, because of the problems it would cause as you’ve suggested. As poster “Freemarket” suggested in a post elsewhere in this thread we all need to push for a conservative, free market solution to this mess, with perhaps some limited govt. oversight.

    But truth be known, I’m not that optimistic about that ever happening…

  • KirklesWorth

    Yeah, because Hillary would be all for these things Trump has done:

    – Pissing off the left and the mainstream media
    – Greenlit the Dakota Access and Keystone pipelines
    – Defunded international Planned Parenthood
    – Cancelled Obama’s outgoing homebuyer FHA fee cut
    – Froze federal hires
    – Preparing to build wall
    – Targeted sanctuary cities
    – Started work on ACA
    – Froze EPA grants and contracts, Scott Pruit nominated
    – Stopped unofficial communiques from federal employees
    – Froze Obama’s $221 million dollar “gift” to Palestinians
    – Renegoting NAFTA
    – Abandoned TPP & TTIP
    – Visa and refugee restrictions
    – Authorized Congress to pursue charges against Hillary
    – Hirings increased, Dow Jones record high
    – Syria, Russia, Mexico, and Canada working with USA
    – Improved military morale
    – nominated Neil Gorsuch for Supreme Court
    – Scrubbed White House web site of liberal content
    – Gagged EPA and USDA
    – Deferred waterboarding to Mattis
    – Told Chicago to get it together
    – Started weekly immigrant crime list

  • KirklesWorth

    Still cheering for Hillary, eh? Fine, if that is going to be your meme, then we will compare and contrast what Hillary would have done with what Trump has done so far:

    – Pissing off the left and the mainstream media
    – Greenlit the Dakota Access and Keystone pipelines
    – Defunded international Planned Parenthood
    – Cancelled Obama’s outgoing homebuyer FHA fee cut
    – Froze federal hires
    – Preparing to build wall
    – Targeted sanctuary cities
    – Started work on ACA
    – Froze EPA grants and contracts, Scott Pruit nominated
    – Stopped unofficial communiques from federal employees
    – Froze Obama’s $221 million dollar “gift” to Palestinians
    – Renegoting NAFTA
    – Abandoned TPP & TTIP
    – Visa and refugee restrictions
    – Authorized Congress to pursue charges against Hillary
    – Hirings increased, Dow Jones record high
    – Syria, Russia, Mexico, and Canada working with USA
    – Improved military morale
    – nominated Neil Gorsuch for Supreme Court
    – Scrubbed White House web site of liberal content
    – Gagged EPA and USDA
    – Deferred waterboarding to Mattis
    – Told Chicago to get it together
    – Started weekly immigrant crime list

  • 762×51

    That is a huge problem, however, we have an effective blueprint that was literally the culmination of the Age of Enlightenment, our Constitution. When I speak of removing this criminal government, I’m talking about the criminals who currently infest it, not the foundation upon which it was created.

    No one alive today has any ideas that beat what we had. Allowing it to become corrupted by liars, cheats, thieves and weasels is the mistake that needs to be corrected. I do not seek to replace our system of government, but to restore it.

  • 762×51

    Yep, about 2% of what your cult leader SHOULD have done already.

    – Pissing off the left and the mainstream media
    WHO CARES?

    – Greenlit the Dakota Access and Keystone pipelines
    Accomplished nothing, requires legislation from Congress.

    – Defunded international Planned Parenthood
    Political football, defund it in America and I’ll be impressed.

    – Cancelled Obama’s outgoing homebuyer FHA fee cut
    Yeah, that’ll help average Americans.

    – Froze federal hires
    Should have laid off every government employee hired in the last 12 months.

    – Preparing to build wall
    Yeah? Is he mixing the concrete or digging the foundation? Requires legislation from Congress, accomplished nothing.

    – Targeted sanctuary cities
    With what? Air strikes? Zero results.

    – Started work on ACA
    Requires legislation from Congress, accomplished nothing.

    – Froze EPA grants and contracts, Scott Pruit nominated
    Should have laid off everyone there and left the cabinet position open.

    – Stopped unofficial communiques from federal employees
    WOW, that’ll help the economy.

    – Froze Obama’s $221 million dollar “gift” to Palestinians
    Good, that must have taken at least 30 seconds.

    – Renegoting(sic) NAFTA
    Credit for future presumed accomplishments a la Obama. Maybe he can get a Nobel Prize for it, before hand.

    – Abandoned TPP & TTIP
    It wasn’t passing Congress anyway, Obama could;t get it through. Zero results.

    – Visa and refugee restrictions
    Good, another 45 seconds used, you are making “progress”.

    – Authorized Congress to pursue charges against Hillary
    Umm, the ATTORNEY GENERAL pursues criminal charges, not Congress. The President cannot “authorize” Congress to do anything. The CONSTITUTION does that, clueless.

    – Hirings increased, Dow Jones record high
    If I owned the Dow Jones, I’d be happy. Does nothing for average Americans.

    – Syria, Russia, Mexico, and Canada working with USA
    No they aren’t, straight up lie.

    – Improved military morale
    Not yet. He could have made major changes at the VA under his existing authority and has done squat.

    – nominated Neil Gorsuch for Supreme Court
    We will see if Gorsuch pans out.

    – Scrubbed White House web site of liberal content
    The outgoing Obama administration did that dumbass.

    – Gagged EPA and USDA
    Gagged? They should have been raped, strangled and left in a car trunk at the airport, then I’d be impressed.

    – Deferred waterboarding to Mattis
    And once again, that helps average Americans how? A grand total of three hajjis have been waterboarded during the entire GWOT. I’ve seen many times that number of Americans be waterboarded.

    – Told Chicago to get it together
    Yes, and they are quaking in their boots. There is no constitutional authority for any involvement by the feds there.

    – Started weekly immigrant crime list
    Which almost no one will pay attention to. Zero results.

    You forgot – pushed a big time $1T SPENDING plan, just like Obama.

    A weasel like you is used to thanking his master for what ever table scraps get thrown his way.

    Rescinded Obama EO’s – almost none, < 1%.
    Ordered AG to pursue Hillary criminal charges – Nope
    Pushed Congress to REPEAL OBlowMeCare – Nope
    Started air strikes against ISIS – Nope
    Pushed Congress to change tax laws to repatriate all the offshore money corporations are holding – Nope

    If you can't afford to buy a clue, at least rent one.

    GFY.

  • Mr. Freemarket

    It will not be restored by violence. It can only be restored through the rule of law.

  • Mr. Freemarket

    There has never been another nation similar to these United States.

  • 762×51

    And if the enemy refuses to allow you to go that way? That is clearly their current intent. The point I was making was that this likely reaches the point where the “rule of law” no longer exists. There are currently more Progressive radicals in the country than there are LEO. At that point, the strategy you suggest must fail. What then?

    “no war is over until the enemy says it’s over. We may think it over, we may declare it over, but in fact, the enemy gets a vote” — Gen James Mattis, USMC Ret. Sec. of Defense.

    Like it or not, they get a vote, always.

  • KirklesWorth

    Poor baby…”I want it now” like a petulant progressive. But of course you want Trump to churn out more things that will make the progressives go even more insane so that they will start your civil war that you will side with them on against the Constitutionally elected government, so that’s no surprise. Your 2% assessment coincides with Trump being less than 2% through his presidential term – but of course, that means nothing to a faux-conservative whose Not Trump candidate Hillary would have obviously done the opposite:

    Conservative Daily Post: Hillary’s Planned Executive Orders Leaked, Democrats Turning Pro-trump In Waves As They Read It

    – A pathway to citizenship for a minimum of 4 million illegal immigrants.
    – Work permits to a minimum of 5 million undocumented immigrants.
    Ban all guns of any kind. Begin with assault rifles and work down to a nationwide hand-gun ban. She wanted to mimic Australia’s plan.
    – The “gun show loophole” would also be closed. She planned to allow people to sue gun manufacturers if they were killed by any gun in the United States.
    – Add more penalties to those that are not covered under the Affordable Care Act that she created. She would have kept 95% of Obama’s policies.
    – Continue to allow late-term abortions.

  • Mr. Freemarket

    We need to stop seeing those with opposing opinions as “enemies.” Is there a possibility of common ground, discussion, and education? I think so.

    Here’s the deal. Eight years ago, we were in a similar situation that they are in now. Barack Obama had promised to fundamentally transform the US, and we wanted none of it. Today, everything they thought they had “accomplished” is now on the chopping block. They need to see and understand that Trump, like Obama, has too much power; that the federal government has too much power.

    The US constitution was designed to limit the power of the federal government. Perhaps some can see now (if we point it out to them) that the federal government simply needs to be reined in. With a smaller, less powerful federal government we, both sides, get to experience something very desirable. Freedom. Freedom from fear of what the federal government is going to do next.

    That is the direction I’m going.

  • KirklesWorth

    Damn Mr. Freemarket, you are on an awesome roll!

  • Mr. Freemarket

    Thanks. It is time to put anger and hate behind us. We may have some teachable moments ahead of us that we should take advantage of.

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  • 762×51

    GFY pendejo.

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