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Mar 07 2017

ObamaCare 2.0

Democrats were willing to go to unseemly extremes that cost them dearly in the short term to ram through ObamaCare because establishing health insurance as an entitlement is a major click of the ratchet toward socialism. As predicted, Republicans are using their control of Washington not to repeal ObamaCare as they have been promising for the past 7 years, but to lock it in forever by “repealing and replacing” it. Only now is the ObamaCare ratchet clicking firmly into place, so that the right to have someone else pay for their health insurance can never be taken away from those who enjoy it. Despite a potential setback for the coercive funding of abortion, WaPo ought to be breaking out champagne:

House Republicans on Monday released long-anticipated legislation to supplant the Affordable Care Act with a more conservative vision for the nation’s health-care system, replacing federal insurance subsidies with a new form of individual tax credits and grants to help states shape their own policies.

Only some of the packaging is conservative. There is nothing conservative about imposing an extravagantly expensive entitlement when we are already $20 trillion in the hole.

There is also nothing conservative about using the IRS to redistribute wealth, which is what they mean by “tax credits.”

The legislation would preserve two of the most popular features of the 2010 health-care law, letting young adults stay on their parents’ health plans until age 26 and forbidding insurers to deny coverage or charge more to people with preexisting medical problems.

For insurers not to lose their shirts paying for healthcare for the elderly, they have to sell insurance to the young and healthy. This is not easy to do when the federal government forces them to let grown adults piggyback on their parents’ insurance until they are pushing middle age.

If insurers are forbidden to deny insurance to those with preexisting conditions, then they are not insurers; they have been conscripted by the government to serve as an arm of the welfare state.

Imagine homeowner insurance provided on the same principle, so you could wait until your house burns down and then buy the insurance.

Nothing this insane can survive unless it is propped up with massive quantities of taxpayer money.

As WaPo smugly notes,

There is no precedent for Congress to reverse a major program of social benefits once it has taken effect and reached millions of Americans.

ObamaCare may be renamed, but it will never be repealed.

As the ratchet clicks notch by notch further to the left, we will eventually reach the point where everyone will be entitled to everything. Then we will have achieved utopia. Everyone will be equal, and no one will have to work.

ratchet
Diagram illustrating how entitlements work.

On tips from J.



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  • JamesMacArthur

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  • JamesMacArthur

    RINO RYAN had this “guy” in mind when he created his OBOZOcare FOLLOW-ON ATROCITY…

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/210e4551accfe66ac57abe384ff5fd995e3f00ace095d4b81f2a948061100d51.jpg

  • Torcer

    RYANCARE: 5 Serious Problems With The Republican Replacement For Obamacare
    In 2010, angry Americans elected Republicans to the House of Representatives in the belief that Republicans would fight tooth and nail to repeal Obamacare. In 2014, Republicans took the Senate by making the same promise. In 2016, President Trump won election on the basis of repealing the “disaster” of Obamacare.

    Now it’s 2017. Republicans have a majority in the House and Senate. President Trump is in the White House.

    And instead of repealing Obamacare, they now plan to trim around the edges.
    1. It Retains Requirements That Insurance Cover People With Pre-Existing Conditions. The key component to Obamacare was always the nonsensical notion that government could force insurance companies to cover those with pre-existing conditions. This turns insurance companies into piggy banks rather than insurance companies – imagine a fire insurance company that allowed you to buy insurance after your house was on fire. That’s not an insurance company anymore.

    2. It Creates A Back Door Mandate.
    This means that you’re essentially fined in the future for not buying insurance now. Which has nothing to do with the Constitutional role of government.
    3. It Creates Individual Healthcare Subsidies.
    4. It Subsidizes Medicaid.
    5. It Subsidizes High-Risk Pools On The State Level.
    So, well done, Republicans. Instead of putting forward a gradual repeal of Obamacare, you’ve actually created a gradual cementing of key elements of Obamacare, all to avoid the political blowback.
    So, well done, Republicans. Instead of putting forward a gradual repeal of Obamacare, you’ve actually created a gradual cementing of key elements of Obamacare, all to avoid the political blowback.

  • Torcer

    Charles Krauthammer says Obamacare repeal entitlement could ‘destroy’ Trump’s presidency
    Charles Krauthammer explained that the newly announced Obamacare replacement legislation might lead to the destruction of the Trump presidency unless conservative Republicans fell “on the their swords” and accepted the entitlements involved. He made the comments Monday on “Special Report” on Fox News.

    “In the end the Republicans are gonna have to essentially, the conservatives, the ones who are more conservative, are gonna have to fall on their swords,” Krauthammer explained. “This is the signature event for the new administration. If they were to, in the end, eliminate the entitlement and put it down, I think it would destroy the presidency.
    http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/03/06/charles-krauthammer-says-obamacare-repeal-entitlement-could-destroy-trumps-presidency/#

  • MAS

    “As the ratchet clicks notch by notch further to the left, we will eventually reach the point where everyone will be entitled to everything. Then we will have achieved utopia. Everyone will be equal, and no one will have to work.”

    Yup as we starve to death, in the dark, with dysentery…

  • Jester

    Earth to GOP! Earth to GOP! Stand by for an urgent message:

    Three things you need to be aware of:

    1: LIBERALS ARE NEVER GOING TO VOTE FOR YOU!
    2: LIBERALS ARE NEVER GOING TO VOTE FOR YOU!
    3: LIBERALS ARE NEVER GOING TO VOTE FOR YOU!

    So stop the pandering already!

  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous
  • IMPACT1

    Obamacare Lite!!…The WORKING American people (the now, working poor – Thanks to Obama and the Communists) are Tired of being used, abused, and TAKEN ADVANTAGE of… The whole thing needs to be dumped!!

    By the way…Is the “Shaft” in the drawing suppose to represent what the Working American People are getting??

  • bobdog19006

    Well, gosh. That didn’t take long. The bill was introduced less than an hour ago.

    Everybody’s a healthcare expurt.

    Jeezus. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6fb70352d508a00ca2f43c190b080f2d3fb6c38cd20276511bba694c143427ab.gif

  • TrojanMan

    As i have said many times…. repeal do not replace. The government has no authority to provide health care, or retirement, or welfare, or any other entitlement.

    The conservative health care plan is to get the government out of healthcare and deregulate it as much as possible. Anything else is not conservative.

  • A problem with any “entitlement” program is that the party that eliminates them is going to pay a political price. I am not advocating retaining obamacare or any watered down version of it. I thought it would be a good idea to let it fail under it’s own idiocy. And it was in the process of doing that.

    Here’s the debate framed by two current “news” articles, both with some good points, the first echoing some of what is stated in this thread’s header:

    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/obamacare-repeal-conservatives-235753

    Conservatives pan House Obamacare repeal bill
    ‘This is Obamacare by a different form,’ former Freedom Caucus chairman Jim Jordan tells POLITICO.

    I realize the second article is the one already linked, above, in the thread header.

    We need to GRADUALLY move away from the “entitlement mentality” but at the same time, do we simply eliminate all “entitlements”? What of military veteran payments? They’re entitlements too… is it hypocritical to be anti-entitlement generally but pro military entitlements? Or maybe pro Social Security, as messed up as that program is.

    I see it as there are entitlements that are earned and there are entitlements that were created for political purposes that are not earned – obamacare being one of those. I’m not saying all earned entitlements are good, mind you. The “golden calf”, Social Security, was flawed from the start and needs to be eventually eliminated in favor of individual retirement plans managed by those individuals. The problem there, as with health care, is there are those who will NOT consider these things, will NOT set up either a valid health care plan or a valid retirement plan and who will end up with nothing and will blame others – the government, society in general, conservatives, whoever – for not providing for these things they failed to consider they might need some day.

    Simply throwing out obamacare, which would be my preferred option, were it viable, would be political suicide. That’s an unfortunate fact. It has to be phased out, as does Social Security and MEDICARE. If the states want to assume these burdens, let them. That’s up to each state. Get the Federal Government out of these things they have no business being in – that’s my take on it.

  • Torcer

    Perhaps a bit too long but:
    When-You-try-to-please-everyone-no-one-will-like-it-care..

  • Agreed – but a flat repeal would be political suicide at this point. The program is failing under it’s own weight – it’s in a death spiral. Point that out and allow it to die (though that, too, will be blamed on Republicans).

  • Well actually a lot of people who formerly were happy with obamacare turned when they saw how awful it was…

  • Torcer

    Be mindful that no matter what they do, the national Socialist Left will condemn them for it…

    ..So now is the time to go long..

  • Perhaps… and I like how Trump was doing a lot of things at once so the left didn’t know which to complain about – the only danger there being that if they do them recklessly that will give the left ammo.

    And also remember the national Socialist Left is also condemning Trump for things he DID NOT do… FAKE NEWS!

  • Torcer

    And I can easily see RINOcare proceeding the same way..

  • Torcer

    RINO-Care: A more insolvent version of Obamacare … except this time GOP owns it
    The first thing to understand about the GOP healthcare bill is that it is not merely Obamacare-lite or a bad “replacement” bill. It doesn’t repeal the core of Obamacare in the first place. In fact, the few parts that it repeals or tweaks within a few years will actually intensify the death spiral of Obamacare when mixed with the core regulatory structure, exacerbated by the subsidies that they do keep. And this time, the GOP will own it politically. All of it.

    The basic structure of this plan is what I outlined last week after the first draft was leaked to the media. There is no discussion of lowering prices, fostering a revolution of choice, competition, portability, cost-consciousness, or breaking down the barriers between consumer and provider. That is because most of the regulatory structure and the exchanges are left in place.

    There is no innovation, and no way to lower costs. While some of the regulations are tweaked with more flexibility, the 800-pound gorilla in the room — guaranteed issue mixed with community rating (which is responsible for almost all of the premium hikes) — is left in place. Nor does this bill repeal the mandated essential benefits, which require insurers to cover a specific number of people and sex change operations, maternity care for men, etc.

    Between the regulatory structure, subsidies, and Medicaid expansion, this bill is Obamacare. Literally.

    But, in fact, the GOP bill is actually worse than Obamacare for two reasons: 1) It will exacerbate the death spiral of fiscal insolvency; and 2) It will destroy the employer market.
    – See more at: https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2017/03/rino-care-a-more-insolvent-version-of-obamacare-except-this-time-gop-owns-it#sthash.Jirtaq2F.dpuf

  • Torcer

    Is the AHCA ‘DOA’? Conservative groups come out swinging against ‘Obamacare Lite’ http://twitchy.com/sd-3133/2017/03/07/is-the-ahca-doa-conservative-groups-come-out-swinging-against-obamacare-lite/ via @twitchyteam

    Mike Lee: “This Is Not The Obamacare Repeal Bill We’ve Been Waiting For” | RedState http://www.redstate.com/mickeywhite2/2017/03/07/mikeleenotobamacarerepealbillwewaited/

    The Republican Healthcare Plan is Just Obamacare With a Different Polish http://theresurgent.com/the-republican-healthcare-plan-is-just-obamacare-with-a-different-polish/ via @ewerickson

  • Indeed – hated by both sides.

  • “Just Obamacare With a Different Polish”?

    No, it’s lipstick on a pig…

  • Torcer

    That should speak volumes to them..

  • JamesMacArthur
  • Torcer

    RIGHT ANGLE: OBAMACARE IS DYING
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_57T5Ayt0e0

  • i phone

    you can buy he alth care for cost of I phone mormon chaffetz says. is he right?

  • Stosh

    Simple solution, vote on repeal of Obozocare first…then hold the vote on an actual conservative replacement. Dems block it and they throw “everyone” off their healthcare.

  • J-

    There is a lot about Obamacare that is awful, but I agree with the preexisting condition protection. Has cancer when I was 26. Why should I pay a generous portion of my income to insurance if the moment I am ever diagnosed with cancer again, if that happens, they will drop me like a toxic rock?

  • Mr. Freemarket

    Many of us have studied the healthcare system for decades. We have been under ObamaCare for six years now….plenty of time to know what works and what doesn’t. We have examples of many systems that don’t work and a few of what does work.

  • Pre-existing should be an option, not a universal feature. They should not be able to drop someone – they accept them, they need to follow through.

  • I don’t consider myself an expert and do not recommend anyone consider the OPINIONS I express here as anything close to expert.

  • Mr. Freemarket

    Why are you bringing religion into your argument? Do you just hate Mormons?

  • Mr. Freemarket

    Should a 50 year old woman pay the same for car insurance as a 17 year old boy?

  • J-

    I don’t want to be accused of being a RINOS quasi socialist etc., but the protection for pre existing conditions was a needed change. My brother has diabetes. Type 1. He had insurance with one job, but hated the job. It paid poorly and he had little option for advancement. He wanted to change jobs but couldn’t without the risk of loss of coverage for his diabetes. Protection for preexisting conditions helped him
    My dad also had diabetes. He was a small business owner with a Cadillac plan to cover his medical needs. Obamacare taxed his plan out of existence and my dad’s premium shot through the roof and hurt his bottom line. That was terrible. There are upsides and downsides. We need to figure a more balanced option to help people like my brother without screwing people like my dad.

  • J-

    I’m not saying that they should pay the same. I’m saying denying coverage for pre existing conditions is bad. You want a high risk pool, fine. But not covering an adult with diabetes because they were diagnosed as a child is not a good policy.

  • Auburn Rapunzel

    Rule #1 of government: You do not have to fix everything.

    Stop it.

  • Eddie_Valiant

    Clearly something needs to be done. One major step is to remove the anti-competitive regulations of insurance. While the insurance companies may not want that, competition will benefit all.

    In Massachusetts, we used to have state regulated auto insurance that drove several major companies out of the state. The regulations were removed and now we have all the majors here. Surprise – auto insurance rates stopped going up and is now much more competitive.

  • Mr. Freemarket

    Well it might be an excellent business policy but not a good political policy.

    We have several fundamental problems with our health care system. 1. Things cost too much, in large part due to limited competition, excessive regulation, and the fact that many in the health care industry believe that they can charge whatever they wish because they are largely immune from market forces.
    2. The health care system is based upon the notion that all people have/should have insurance. Those who don’t have insurance commonly get soaked for at least double of what an insurance company pays to a health care provider.
    3. It is almost impossible to price shop in the field of health care. Typically a doctor is affiliated with a single hospital; if he wants you to have a procedure, you can either shop for a new doctor or accept wherever he send you.

    I’ve been on a cash basis for a long time; a couple of years ago I got involved with LibertyHealthshare.org. They are a great alternative to insurance.

  • ICEvictim

    this “replace” crap is just a new paint job on a junker. I am sick and tired of the Uniparty jerks like Ryan. They kept it under wraps because they knew we’d go ballistic when we found out that nothing has changed – it’s STILL a welfare program.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9ec8982a50086ba5d77bca2efc5aef3f18fd0fba4445ff7188cb015a0d257b31.jpg

  • bobdog19006

    Didn’t take it that way, bodhisattva. It was more of a general complaint, something like “You damn kids get off my lawn.”

  • TrojanMan

    Government programs do not die by themselves. They must be killed.

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  • 762×51

    More to the point, should a 50 year old woman have to pay for birth control or maternity coverage? How about Nuns? Gays?

  • 762×51

    Like its original version passed in 2010 in the dark of night, RyanOCare has nothing to do with health or care. You don’t have to be an expert in those things, you only have to be reasonable competent in knowing when you are getting hosed – dry. Most people can handle that.

  • 762×51

    As well it should. If he is 1/10th the “conservative” his cult followers claim, he can easily bury this mess where it belongs, in a shallow grave in 10,000′ of sea water. But don’t forget his advisers, Progressive Ivanka, her lifelong, hard line Democrat husband Kurshner and that slithering WI Progressive weasel, Rinse Penis.

    Fat chance they oppose this other than to want MORE Progressive crapola in it. This is the only shot the Retardlican filth will get at making this right and they have squandered it to advance their Progressive agenda. Now, maybe some will understand why I treat them exactly the same as the D flavored Progressives, they are all the same. They are the enemy, the same as their Islamic allies.

    You may not be at war with them but they are at war with you.

  • 762×51

    Oh, dare to dream. In a straight up gunfight these scum last about 3 seconds.

  • EVERYDAY PRESIDENT ☆ ᵀᴿᵁᴹᴾ

    .
    #RINOcare.

    If all they’re going to do is rename, they’re letting Barry off the hook and putting the blame on the GOP.

    THE GOP IS PURPOSELY TRYING TO LOSE ELECTIONS ! ! !

    The election of Donald Trump is more than an inconvenience for them and there they are, trying to throw the next election and render him to the rats.

    I am convinced of it.
    .

  • EVERYDAY PRESIDENT ☆ ᵀᴿᵁᴹᴾ

    .
    How about sex change operations??!!! And healthcare for illegals and moochlims..?
    .

  • EVERYDAY PRESIDENT ☆ ᵀᴿᵁᴹᴾ

    .
    How can you lower health care costs for Americans?

    A. TORT REFORM + NO healthcare for ILLEGAL ALIENS !
    .

  • Mr. Freemarket

    Or sex change operations????

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  • Government programs are vampires – cannot be killed by any normal methods and the go on growing and sucking the life out of ordinary citizens.

    The commentary I’ve heard is that the most odious parts of Obamacare may live on despite window dressing bills being proposed now. However, unless a motion is made to prevent amendments, this may be resolved during that process.

  • It is true that when you’re forced to change from one provider to another there can be problems – so what is the answer to this? Coverage independent of who your employer is?

  • Companies got in trouble in California, which, since it’s run by moonbats, has ridiculous rules and regulations governing insurance and also a large number of uninsured (and unlicensed) drivers – coincidentally many of them illegal immigrants, no less. I took a friend to traffic court and while waiting for her case I watched the judge give several of them a slap on the wrist – no such easy day in court for my friend, though. Discrimination reared it’s ugly head as usual.

  • That’s an idea – but the idiot electorate will STILL believe the Democrats when they claim it’s all the Republicans fault – each time the Democrats schemed to shut down the government they successfully did so AND blamed the Republicans – and it worked every time that I recall.

  • Apparently hates good grammar… and looks to me like perhaps just a spam post. Note no link to the poster. Also cannot block.

  • I pointed this out several times – people don’t seem to get it. There will be some cleanup required – get rid of the bad parts that will remain on the books.

  • J-

    There are market based solutions. I don’t like the idea of state by state coverage. You can make coverage a la carte. When I was a single guy I didn’t need pre natal coverage but i could put more money towards other benefits. Rather than have employer plans, let companies give vouchers worth so much to employees who can shop for coverage they like. That make is more competitive for the end user.

    I’d also like to see more HSA type care. Why did my abdominal X ray when they thought i jas appendicitis cost $9,000 buy an abdominal x ray fir my dog cost $75 when the thought she swallowed a toy? It was literally the same machine.

  • Stosh

    That was before there was a POTUS willing to correct the record loudly

  • Torcer

    And now with the introduction of Obamacare 2.0 the GOP will end up in a Lose-Lose proposition.
    In the most likely scenario, when the whole edifice collapses, they will be blamed for it.

    But it manages to ‘work’ the Left will take credit for their plan.

    This only confirms the GOP’s nickname..

  • Torcer

    One my suggested, albeit long moniker fro their Obamacare 2.0 plan is:

    Way-to-pull-defeat-out-of-the-jaws-of-victoryCare

    Those people hold all three branches of government and the act like church mice.

    We waited 6 long years and helped the GOP gain control of the whole governmental enchilada just for this abomination?

    It cannot be just the issue of political blowback – they have to know they would be roundly condemned NO MATTER what they did.

    No, this has to be case of the GOP wanting power just as bad as the Socialist – Left.

    There was a time when I disagree with those who claimed there is no difference between the DNC and the GOP.. that is no longer the case..

  • I’m just saying I don’t take myself too seriously, so nobody else should.

    But I agree with pretty much every word you said.

  • Oh, and haven’t you heard? According to the Democrats our President IS in league with Putin… so by their logic, it was written by & for the Russians – and there are “past due retirement” Republicans who are peddling that nonsense, also.

  • Plus many of those “covered” were not covered by obamacare, but by Medicaid expansion.

  • Artfuldgr

    Joseph Goebbels
    said: “The best propaganda is that which, as it were, works invisibly,
    penetrates the whole of life without the public having any knowledge of
    the propagandistic initiative”,

    Gleichschaltung

    In Nazi terminology, Gleichschaltung (German
    pronunciation: [ˈɡlaɪçʃaltʊŋ]), was the process of Nazification by which
    Nazi Germany successively established a system of totalitarian control
    and coordination over all aspects of society, “from the economy and
    trade associations to the media, culture and education”.

    The Nazis used the word Gleichschaltung for the process of successively establishing a system of totalitarian control and coordination over all aspects of society. It has been variously “translated” as Nazification of state and society, synchronization, bringing into line, and co-ordination, but the German word is often left as a cultural term in English texts.

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