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Aug 16 2017

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Via Terry Hutchinson.



  • THOUGHTCRIMINAL2084

    100 Million European Christians were erased by bolsheviks less than a century ago. Wrap your mind around that figure and say aloud: “that can’t happen here.” DO YOU STILL BELIEVE THAT NOW?

    Those who erase history have grand plans to repeat that history

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  • Maurice Miner

    That pretty much sums it up succinctly…

  • Saxon Warrior

    Yes….. and so it goes on…. Libtard, illogical, revisionist history.
    Irrational…
    Evil….
    Wrong….

    ..but a very real threat!

  • As predicted, going after former Presidents now:

    http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2017/08/16/jackson-washington-park-protest-presidents-slave-owners/

    Pastor Wants Presidents’ Names Removed From Washington, Jackson Parks Over Ties To Slavery

    Bishop James Dukes, pastor of Liberation Christian Center, said he wants the statue gone, and he wants George Washington’s name removed from the park.

  • The first rat leaving a sinking ship?

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/special-counsels-russia-probe-loses-top-fbi-investigator/story?id=49249486

    Special counsel’s Russia probe loses top FBI investigator

    One of the FBI’s top investigators, tapped by special counsel Robert Mueller just weeks ago to help lead the probe of Russian meddling in last year’s presidential election, has left Mueller’s team, sources tell ABC News.

    The recent departure of FBI veteran Peter Strzok is the first known hitch in a secretive probe that by all public accounts is charging full-steam ahead.

  • https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4253377/kim-jong-un-north-korea-executing-citizens-god/

    Paranoid Kim Jong-un executing record numbers of North Koreans who no longer see him as a living GOD

  • With North Korea being North Korea, It’s hard to tell what is real and what is propaganda…

    International Religious Freedom Report like the IPCC reports?

  • State learned from CMI that an estimated “10-45 percent” of people imprisoned in North Koreans detention camps are Christians.

  • Have to call this PROPAGANDA

  • 127guy

    Coming soon to a Church near you…

  • KirklesWorth

    “Antifa Exposed: The media won’t show you this”

    https://www.facebook.com/newlypress/videos/1870277369903302/

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  • JackisBack

    The left complains about Trump & Russian collusion. But if anyone is acting like communists it is leftist blacks, Jews and Hispanics as they work together to dismantle American and bring her to her knees.

  • bradley gomez

    100 Million European Christians were erased by bolsheviks less than a century ago. Wrap your mind around that figure and say aloud: “that can’t happen here.”DO YOU STILL BELIEVE THAT NOW?Those who erase history have grand plans to repeat that history

  • Facebook shut down an anonymous group used by its Trump-supporting employees – from what the article says I’m wondering if the left infiltrated it and that’s why it got shut down.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-shut-down-anonymous-chat-group-for-employees-2017-8

    Facebook shut down an anonymous online group for employees in late 2016 after it was increasingly used to talk about Donald Trump and other US presidential candidates.

  • KirklesWorth
  • KirklesWorth

    So, what’s this morning’s news about statues?

    CNS: President Trump Decries ‘The Removal of Our Beautiful Statues and Monuments’
    The Blaze: Gettysburg National Park reveals future of its Confederate statues
    Daily Kos: Trump laments removal of ‘beautiful statues and monuments’ celebrating fight for human enslavement
    Daily Caller: Trump Comes Out In Defense Of Confederate Statues
    New York Times: Trump ‘Sad’ Over Removal of ‘Our Beautiful Statues’
    The Hill: Trump offers Twitter defense of Confederate statues
    CNBC: Trump denounces removal of ‘beautiful’ Confederate statues
    The Hill: Va. gov: Alt-right was not ‘here about a statue’
    Breitbart: ‘Hamilton’ Star Leslie Odom Jr. Open to Removal of Washington, Jefferson Statues
    New York Post: Trump attacks removal of Confederate statues around the country
    Huffington Post: World’s Saddest Right-Wing Protest Draws 7 People To Seattle’s Lenin Statue
    Wash. Times National: Terry McAuliffe, Virginia governor: Confederate statues ‘need to come down’
    MSNBC: Baltimore mayor: Removing statues right…
    Gateway Pundit: AMAZING! Trump Supporters In Seattle Demand Lenin Statue Be Torn Down (VIDEO)
    CNN: US Capitol home to several Confederate statues
    USA Today: Raw: Candles Around Jefferson Statue After Vigil
    The Hill: Virginia governor encourages removal of Confederate statues
    National Review: Confederate Statues and the Bronze Soldier of Tallinn
    Daily Caller: Clay Aiken Says Confederate Statues Should Be Removed
    Townhall: Soldiers, Statues and Insurrection

  • KirklesWorth

    Salon is just scum.

    Salon: President Trump’s lawyer touts pro-Confederacy rhetoric in email
    Salon: Trump lashes out at Republicans, as the GOP tries to distance themselves from him
    Salon: Jim Jefferies nails what’s wrong with preserving Confederate monuments
    Salon: Steve Bannon sells out the alt right “losers” and “clowns”
    Salon: Trump, the alt-right and the Kremlin: White supremacists’ Russia links are no secret
    Salon: Stephen Colbert compares President Trump to a zombie apocalypse sympathizer
    Salon: Arizona doesn’t need any more for-profit prisons
    Salon: Here’s another way businesses are taking advantage of undocumented immigrants
    Salon: The breakthrough: How a small news outlet brought down the state hero
    Salon: Why the GOP sides with the Klan and the Nazis
    Salon: California’s big pushback: Golden State sets the standard for resistance to Trump agenda
    Salon: How to save majority rule: What the Alabama and Utah primaries can teach us about democracy
    Salon: Faith and freedom on the march in Charlottesville
    Salon: Eclipse of reason: Why do people disbelieve scientists?
    Salon: Facebook gave a neo-nazi website a huge assist in spreading hate after Charlottesville
    Salon: Charlottesville: One battle in a war for America’s very soul
    Salon: Netflix’s “The Defenders” isn’t the best Marvel series, but it may be what we need right now
    Salon: Was Christopher Nolan’s “Dunkirk” whitewashed? And if so, what does that mean?
    Salon: Is the Trump administration “turning a blind eye” to Louisiana’s storm season?
    Salon: Martin Shkreli thinks he’ll be president someday

  • KirklesWorth

    Daily Kos is scum.

    Daily Kos: Trump laments removal of ‘beautiful statues and monuments’ celebrating fight for human enslavement
    Daily Kos: Donald Trump’s morning rant attacks Republicans who dare to say his name
    Daily Kos: Donald Trump’s lawyer equates Lee and Washington, says FBI and BLM are run by terrorists
    Daily Kos: Morning Digest: Court ruling striking down Texas GOP’s congressional map still disappoints Democrats
    Daily Kos: Abbreviated pundit round-up: Waiting for DJT to order staff to smile when he spews; Charlottesville
    Daily Kos: Open thread for night owls. Katherine Cross: The Art of the Real—Disinformation vs. Democracy
    Daily Kos: Ding dong, Texas’ anti-trans bathroom bill is dead, for now
    Daily Kos: Our top cop Sessions demonstrates exactly the kind of moral clarity we needed on ‘Charlotte’
    Daily Kos: Colorado Republican feels the heat back home for his Obamacare repeal vote
    Daily Kos: Midday open thread: Nazi site gets a new home, Hope Hicks gets a new title. Laugh! Cry!
    Daily Kos: Pence suddenly cuts overseas trip short so he can literally ‘stand with’ Trump
    Daily Kos: From racist bully to victim: watch this Nazi leader break down in tears over his imminent arrest
    Daily Kos: The fact Trump’s first pardon may be for an ‘authoritarian racist’ shouldn’t be a shock to anyone
    Daily Kos: Silence is complicity; ‘support’ is collaboration
    Daily Kos: Trump takes his ball and goes home, disbands business advisory councils
    Daily Kos: Trump sabotage could cost country billions, says CBO, but not destroy Obamacare
    Daily Kos: Not one person working in Trump’s White House has shown the dignity and moral fiber to resign yet
    Daily Kos: In the middle of the night, Baltimore removes its Confederate statues and residents celebrate
    Daily Kos: 100 law professors to Trump: ‘No question’ DACA is constitutional
    Daily Kos: This is why Republicans stand with Trump: Appeals court rules Arkansas can defund Planned Parenthood

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    THANK CLINTON AND OBAMA, it IS that simple as WHITE and BLACK!!!

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  • Mr. Freemarket

    And somehow the republicans and democrats were have supposedly change places, even though democrats and democrat policies have essentially enslaved poor blacks and destroyed black families.

    BTW, Senator Robert Byrd was a high official in the KKK and the democrats have never gotten around to point out what a bad guy he was.

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  • Mr. Freemarket

    While claiming that the other party are the racists.

  • Mr. Freemarket

    Unfortunately millions of people died leading up to the dropping of Fat Man and Little Boy. Nuclear bombs aren’t magic. Millions more will have to die this time, too, in order to depose a war-loving group of crazies.

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  • pocketfrog

    Ben Garrison is a terrible cartoonist – the amount of labels he uses is ridiculous. Thanks for posting the other cartoons though.

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  • Mark

    Don’t focus on false comparisons and labels. Yes, the racists and KKK moved from the Dems to the Repubs during Reagan’s “southern strategy”, this is well known.

    And the meme above is wrong. Something like “decedents of slaves fight today’s nazi’s and Trump over the removal of confederate statues” Did you not see the Nazi flags, swastikas and emblems of white power? Is it really that hard to see? Do we have statues of Hitler?

    Does it matter what rock the racists hide under? Why did we fight in WWII. My grandfather made it his business to kill as many Nazi’s as he could and he lived to talk about it. If he was alive today he would be weeping for his country that has given so many Nazi enablers and sympathizers a safe haven? Is it really that hard to condemn racism and hatred where you find it without making false comparisons?

    Your motivated reasoning where Dems do all bad and the Republicans can do no wrong is really counter productive

  • millard fillmore

    Amazing to see the confluence of the Hillary Youth in brown hoodies and the Snowflake Fascists into a mob of idiots.This will,of course,not end well.But the question is,who will it not end well for?

  • Mr. Freemarket

    “Yes, the racists and KKK moved from the Dems to the Repubs during Reagan’s “southern strategy”, this is well known.”

    Well known and agreed upon by the left, not so much on the right. Senator Robert Byrd, for example, was a democrat senator from West Virginia (a state that still elects democrat senators). Where is the outrage and condemnation for his affiliation from his fellow democrats? He was a democrat senator until from 1959 to 2010, the same time that this supposed switch was supposed to have taken place. Yet the same people that supported him in 2010 were the same people who supported him in 1959.

    “Does it matter what rock the racists hide under?”

    It is easy to call others racists, especially by those who are immune to being called racists. Did you happen to see this thread here at Moonbattery? http://moonbattery.com/?p=87022 Assuming that is isn’t a parody, is that not as reprehensible as anything that some white supremacist / Nazi might say?

    “Is it really that hard to condemn racism and hatred where you find it without making false comparisons?”

    Waiting for you to get around to that.

    BTW, I stick by my statement that “democrats and democrat policies have essentially enslaved poor blacks and destroyed black families.”

    Lyndon B. Johnson started the “war on poverty.” I don’t know if you have ever been on government assistance, but, once on it, it is almost impossible to get off. For every dollar you earn, you give up almost a dollar of government assistance. When the “war on poverty” started, about 14% of the population was considered “poor.” Today, after spending trillions of dollars on the “war on poverty” about 14% of the population is still considered poor.

    Worse still, when the “war on poverty” started, about 22% of black babies were born to single mothers. Today, over 70% of black babies are born to single mothers. I call that destruction of the black family.

    If you want to know where democrat policies have lead us, just take a look at the results of the “model cities program” another program started by Lyndon Johnson. Detroit was one of those model cities. Detroit has had continuous democrat leadership since the 1960’s. Just consider the condition it is in today.

    I haven’t claimed that republicans can do no wrong. But it is hard to find a single democrat program that has produced the benefits that it claimed as its goals.

  • Torcer

    15:54
    UNDERCOVER: Crashing Hawaii Socialist Protest!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2SqHTlwZp8

  • Torcer

    The Little Boy Who Cried ‘NAZI’! | Louder With Crowder
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnrvDS7yvS0

  • Torcer

    15:28
    The Big Lie Of Fascism Being Right Wing – Dinesh D’Souza DISMANTLES The Leftist Narrative!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytu5Kz6Y0CQ
    MagiCal HD

    Dinesh D’Souza explains the historical connections between American progressives, Margaret Sanger and nazi Germany.

  • Mark

    If “you” are marching with someone that is carrying a goddamn nazi flag then I sure as f*ck can call “you” a racist. That should be “conversation over”. any wiggling around on that issue is a frigging lie.
    Talking about “Robert Byrd” and any other historical figure is just a distraction and amounts to more weasel words. You can not rationalize away the realities of the present by pointing at the past.

    there should be no debate. You should be old enough to remember GHW Bush’s words on that, watch the video on youtube and look in the eyes of a man who fought the Nazis. Tell him that you think it’s ok.

  • Mr. Freemarket

    “If “you” are marching with someone that is carrying a goddamn nazi flag then I sure as f*ck can call “you” a racist. That should be “conversation over”. any wiggling around on that issue is a frigging lie.”

    I don’t march with anyone carrying a Nazi flag. My father was a tail-gunner on B-17’s in WWII, so he, too, placed his life on the line fighting Nazis. He was also a life-long republican (died in 2007….before Byrd died). While a young man, he was pressured to vote for FDR; he still voted for republicans.

    “Talking about “Robert Byrd” and any other historical figure is just a distraction and amounts to more weasel words.”

    No, it’s an example of democrats ignoring/burying their history and associations. You want to pretend that the KKK wasn’t created by the democrats in the south. You want to pretend that Jim Crow laws weren’t created by democrats in the south (and, for example, President Woodrow Wilson, a fine progressive democrat who segregated the military and the US government).

    Another thing to keep in mind about the Nazis is that they, like their international socialist brothers, were national socialists. They, like their international socialist brothers, hated capitalists and wanted a central government that had more and more power. Just like you want today.

  • Mark

    I don’t get hung up on labels and the positions of political parties. I’m not “us vs. them” on dems vs. repubs, I vote for people and ideas not parties. The names change but the ideas of racism and exclusion don’t. Changing the subject from condemnation of nazi marchers in American streets is giving them a pass. If you care so much, where is your outrage?

    If you think the nazi “national socialistic party” is anything like the “socialists” today just because they have the same word is misinformed. See wikipedia for a quick primer “The majority of scholars identify Nazism in both theory and practice as a form of far-right politics.[11] ” and learn what your dad was fighting against.

  • Mr. Freemarket

    “I don’t get hung up on labels and the positions of political parties.”

    Sure….. And the Nazis were a political party.

    “Changing the subject from condemnation of nazi marchers in American streets is giving them a pass. If you care so much, where is your outrage?”

    Here are the facts. Hitler and the Nazis killed about 12 million people. Stalin and Lenin, part of the international socialist movement, killed about 50 million people, most of them citizens of the USSR. Mao, another part of the international socialists, killed about 70 million people, most of them citizens of PRC.

    Yes, I hate Nazis. Yes, I hate communists. And yes, I hate those trying to impose socialism on the US, whether they are Nazis, communists, or socialists.

    The US was set up as a land of freedom. Capitalism (a name invented by Karl Marx) is another name for economic freedom. I believe in freedom; I oppose those who would infringe upon our freedoms. And I don’t give a damn which party it comes from.

    And yes, that is one of the reasons I hate ObamaCare, because it is a socialist program that is so great that it, like all other socialist programs, must be mandated by the government.

  • Mark

    Well, if you only condemned the torch bearers in Charlottesville with such intensity then I might believe that you have some intellectual honesty, but you don’t. You come on forums like this to cheer on those that are mocking the left say nothing about awful it is to have Nazi’s marching in our streets. If you really cared, you might Instead of denounce the hate speech and give no quarter to those that slyly try to feed the nazi flames. Both sides aren’t always morally equivalent and changing the subject to some historical reference and being misinformed about what nazi socialism vs. Bernie’s socialism is only a weasely distraction.

  • Mark

    P.S. Nazism is really an ideology

  • CNN, who really should change their name to FNN (Fake News Network) wonders if the Barcelona attack today was a “copycat” of Charlottesville. One wonders if Fake News Network has forgotten about all the attacks in Europe carried out by radical Islamists – this is just another of those. But if they want to blame it on Trump and the American “right wing” and further prove what idiots they are, how out of touch with reality they are, fine!

    http://freebeacon.com/politics/cnn-questions-barcelona-attack-copycat-charlottesville/

    There Will Be Questions About Whether Barcelona Attack Was ‘Copycat’ of Charlottesville

    Not by any sane persons, mind you, but by our lunatic liberal media moonbats, perhaps.

  • This drawing has the heads in the wrong places. They are actually where the sun doesn’t shine.

  • Anonymous

    National SOCIALIST German Workers’ Party… let Antifa explain that one.

  • Torcer

    Should we begin a betting pool for how long it’ll take the national socialist media to blame the attack on Trump?

    ..One can hear the narrative right now.. the terrorists were inspired by the events in the states that were inspired by Trump…..

  • Torcer

    Here is one response – note the attack on the man intellectual acumen in the title of the piece

    8:46
    Dinesh D’Souza’s doesn’t understand what fascism is + Charlottesville
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=detwvLECrKw

  • You really need to educate yourself. The racists are the BLACK LIVES MATTER MOVEMENT. The FASCISTS are the antifa – who claim to be against fascists and fascism but engage in fascist tactics.

    Yes, the people who were there protesting the statue removal were a bunch of idiots. We all get that. We all agree. But they were engaging in a peaceful march until they were viciously attacked. Now it might be that they expected it & were prepared. In fact without having been there I would still bet that was the case.

    But as for your nonsense about the usual propaganda and talking points concerning the racists leaving the Democrats and joining the Republicans:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_a7dQXilCo

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiprVX4os2Y

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VBAEJlR4pk

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ol7OMGBDMao

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iZ7l4Rygo8

    Hillary Clinton admits high KKK official was her mentor:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oP-FZe0F8qU

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RBFOTdY1yY

    Feel free to argue the points made in those videos, particularly the ones that prove you wrong with your claim that:

    the racists and KKK moved from the Dems to the Repubs during Reagan’s “southern strategy”, this is well known.

    You didn’t even get that right. It wasn’t Reagan’s strategy. Not even close.

    Educate yourself or risk making a fool of yourself… again.

  • So you’re claiming that mostly white crowd of lunatic leftists at the demonstrations were the descendants of slaves? The white woman who was killed by the lunatic in the car was the descendant of slaves?

    You really are clueless, aren’t you? You sound a lot like a typical moonbat snowflake. You’re welcome to keep making a fool of yourself if you like, though. In fact, please do!

  • Nobody here, well, OTHER THAN YOU, has EVER said:

    “… Dems do all bad and the Republicans can do no wrong…”

    Many of us are not Republicans, myself included. Many of us regularly vent our anger and frustration about what various Republicans do. Including Trump, who only ran as a Republican because when he and Bill Clinton talked he told Trump that the fix was in, the Democrats were going to nominate Hillary no matter who their voters wanted.

    You also exaggerate the number of people who have

    “…given so many Nazi enablers and sympathizers a safe haven…”

    Nobody on our side did that. You and your ilk are trying hard to suggest Trump did and does – you’re lying. He never did, he never does. One news outlet went so far as to DELIBERATELY misquote him as doing that. They issued a correction later, but watch, in the future the INCORRECT, and deliberately so, news report will be referenced by many people as “proof” Trump secretly (or openly) supports the radical right wingers.

  • https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-17/deportations-decline-as-fewer-seek-illegal-entry-on-u-s-border

    Deportations Decline as Fewer Seek Illegal Entry on U.S. Border

    That’s not what I heard… but then again, Bloomberg is a left wing “fake news” outlet.

  • And if Trump did NOT do this they would be condemning him for NOT doing so.

  • We regularly denounce hate speech. When the occu-tards were spouting it, we denounced it. When Obama spouted it, we denounced it. When the ultra-racist group Black Lives Matter spouts it we denounce it. And yes, when the ridiculously named “alt-right” (i.e. those who self identify as Nazis and White Supremacists, as well as those who are part of the black power movement and the black liberation theology folks too) do it WE DENOUNCE IT AS WELL!

  • Indeed it is – and it was also a party, a socialist party. German national socialists. Left wing, not right wing. Socialists. Even their name said so.

  • Indeed the ideas of racism and exclusion don’t – and if you’ve been paying attention, lunatic left wingers have been demanding “safe spaces” from whites, “safe spaces” from men, “safe spaces” from ideas they can’t even stand to find out actually exist, much less suffer to actually hear.

    A majority of LEFT WING scholars identify Nazism as a form of far-right politics, but that’s where they’re wrong. It’s not a matter of left v. right, even though I also fall into that trap of putting it that way easily. It’s a matter of freedom versus lack of freedom. Of government intrusion and control versus government keeping out of our lives and doing what little it is supposed to be doing.

    Perhaps this video will help, but it seems to me you have a pretty closed mind and aren’t very bright, since you give WIKIPEDIA as a source particularly. WIKIPEDIA is run by leftists for leftists. I suspect you didn’t know that either.

    Here’s the video. Try to learn something from it:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klm6yZxDmJc

  • No, you cannot, no more than you will call those marching AGAINST them racists even though SOME of them have openly called for the death of whites. You conveniently toss aside FACTS such as the FACT that Robert C. Byrd was still fighting against the adoption of Civil Rights into recent times, carrying on a long tradition of the Democrats who’ve done so since they lost the Civil War.

  • KirklesWorth

    Good jobs @@Bodhisattva:disqus and @mr@Mr_FreeMarket:disqus for schooling our new Bernie Sanders / Obamacare fan.

  • KirklesWorth

    Don’t focus on false comparisons and labels.

    And yet your comments are chock-full of false comparisons and labels.

    Yes, the racists and KKK moved from the Dems to the Repubs during Reagan’s “southern strategy”, this is well known.

    This was Richard Nixon and Barry Goldwater’s baby, not Reagan’s.

    And the meme above is wrong. Something like “decedents of slaves fight today’s nazi’s and Trump over the removal of confederate statues” Did you not see the Nazi flags, swastikas and emblems of white power? Is it really that hard to see? Do we have statues of Hitler?

    You are either accidentally or deliberately missing the point. The democrat party is scrubbing their racist past. They lost the Civil War, Jim Crow laws were overturned, and the KKK was the military arm of the democrat party.

    Does it matter what rock the racists hide under? Why did we fight in WWII. My grandfather made it his business to kill as many Nazi’s as he could and he lived to talk about it. If he was alive today he would be weeping for his country that has given so many Nazi enablers and sympathizers a safe haven? Is it really that hard to condemn racism and hatred where you find it without making false comparisons?

    Not at all – which is why Black Lives Matters, Antifa, Black Panthers, etc. must simultaneously condemned.

    Your motivated reasoning where Dems do all bad and the Republicans can do no wrong is really counter productive.

    No such claims were made, nor is your guilt-by-association claims going to change the fact that republicans freed the slaves and ushered in equal rights despite the obstructions of the democrats.

  • KirklesWorth

    P.S. Nazism is really an ideology

    Odd, “Nazi” is an acronym for “National Socialist German Workers’ Party” that controlled Germany from 1933 to 1945 under Adolf Hitler. Sounds more than an “ideology” to me.

  • KirklesWorth

    Your special pleading (claiming lack of criticism), red herrings, straw men, and histrionics mean squat. You are not the arbiter of what is to be addressed nor what requires more indignation than something else. If I followed your examples, I would accuse you of attempting to destroy the first amendment and solicitation to murder.

  • KirklesWorth

    I don’t get hung up on labels and the positions of political parties. I’m not “us vs. them” on dems vs. repubs, I vote for people and ideas not parties.

    Sure you do.

    The names change but the ideas of racism and exclusion don’t.

    That is true for republicans, but democrats were racists until they were forced to do an about-face in mid 20th century after their failures.

    Changing the subject from condemnation of nazi marchers in American streets is giving them a pass.

    False – it is you trying to put words in others’ mouths.

    If you care so much, where is your outrage?

    You keep setting up a “lack of something” as proof – nobody cares about your false assumptions.

    If you think the nazi “national socialistic party” is anything like the “socialists” today just because they have the same word is misinformed.

    And if you think liberals today are anything like the democrats and classic liberals of the past, you are misinformed as well.

    See wikipedia for a quick primer “The majority of scholars identify Nazism in both theory and practice as a form of far-right politics.[11] ” and learn what your dad was fighting against.

    If you want to risk quoting Wikipedia as your source, then so be it. When Nazi is National Socialist Workers’ Party, two of the four words proudly announce the party is left-wing.

  • KirklesWorth

    If “you” are marching with someone that is carrying a goddamn nazi flag then I sure as f*ck can call “you” a racist.

    Very well, then Black Lives Matter, Antifa, the Black Panthers, etc. should be similarly condemned.

    That should be “conversation over”. any wiggling around on that issue is a frigging lie.

    What “conversation over” are you talking about…free speech? I don’t think that conversation is over whatsoever. Why do you keep advocating the end of free speech as the solution to your subjective problems?

    Talking about “Robert Byrd” and any other historical figure is just a distraction and amounts to more weasel words.

    You mean like the Southern Strategy incorrectly attributed to Reagan? Do as I say but not as I do?

    there should be no debate.

    Says who? Fascists?

    You should be old enough to remember GHW Bush’s words on that, watch the video on youtube and look in the eyes of a man who fought the Nazis. Tell him that you think it’s ok.

    The man who fought for American freedoms including speech and assembly? No problem!

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  • Mr. Freemarket

    Both you and Bodhisattva have provided excellent arguments for Mark to think about.

  • Mr. Freemarket

    Here’s the part I find interesting. I have quoted statistics provided by Rummal, University of Hawaii on the numbers of people killed by various political leaders and philosophies during the 20th century. https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/
    I pointed out that Hitler was responsible for killing 12 million, Lenin and Stalin for 50 million, and Mao killing 70 million. So international socialism is responsible for killing about ten times as many people as were killed by national socialism. And clearly that point wasn’t important enough for you to even note.

    Yet, you seem to frame Hitler and his National Socialists as the worst people of all time, yet apparently give a pass on those trying to impose international socialism. So why is Hitler so much worse than Mao, Stalin, or Lenin? Were the 12 million murdered by Hitler of that much more value than the 120 million murdered by Mao, Stalin, and Lenin? Why is that?

    (And no, I cannot find anything redeeming in the people or philosophies of either the National Socialists or the International Socialists).

    I’ll bet you own one of those shirts with the image of Che, another international socialist. Why is that? A man responsible for killing thousands of others who disagreed with his political ideology, and you and the rest of the left idolize him.

    You want me to condemn the white supremacists, yet where is the condemnation of the black supremacists who have rioted in the name of Black Lives Matter? Who on the left condemns Black Lives Matter?

    I would suggest you read the other responses to your posts here. There is a lot of information there for you to digest.

  • Mark

    You don’t understand the difference between speaking/writing literally vs figuratively do you?

  • Mark

    White is black and black is white, that’s how you guys get through the day without your heads exploding from cognitive dissonance. Whether Reagan invented the southern strategy or just adopted, it doesn’t matter he bought and owned it.

  • KirklesWorth

    Whether Reagan invented the southern strategy or just adopted, it doesn’t matter he bought and owned it.

    Sure it matters. First you back away from your error about its invention, and now you say Reagan “bought and owned it” – says who? Democrats?

  • Mark

    Whatever happened to “the buck stops here”? I am a big believer in personal responsibility. Reagan agreed to the southern strategy and executed it. Are you saying he is not responsible? wow, that’s a big stretch.

  • Mark

    you think just because the ideologies that you mention all have the words word “socialism” in them that they are the same or similar. hahahahaha, hahhhahah, hahaha… ok, it’s really not that funny, why not learn something other then what you read in the headline and understand how they are very different then Bernie’s brand.

  • Mark
  • KirklesWorth
  • Mr. Freemarket

    You are too kind. Your contributions are also very informative.

  • Mr. Freemarket

    I’m more than happy to have you or others point out how Bernie Sanders’ brand of socialism differs from that of either the National Socialists or International Socialists.

    Socialism as promoted by either the National Socialists or International Socialists is a system that must be imposed by government fiat. It is totalitarian in nature and will not/cannot coexist with economic freedom. A prime example of a socialist program is ObamaCare; a program so great, so wonderful, so desirable, that either you join or you will be fined.

  • Mr. Freemarket

    Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the origin of the Nazi salute. It has something to do with Francis Bellamy the the Pledge of Allegiance. https://www.pinterest.com/explore/bellamy-salute/

    BTW…oddly enough…Francis Bellamy called himself a Christian Socialist. And the clubs that he and his cousin founded were originally called Bellamy Clubs. They were then renamed Nationalist Clubs. Hummmm….

  • Mark

    Do you have car insurance? home insurance?

    I’m not doing your home work for you, besides I already posted a snippet of the difference

  • Mark

    excuse it all you want, and be seen for the nazi sympathizer that you apparently are

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  • Mr. Freemarket

    So if I don’t condemn Nazis vigorously enough, I’m a Nazi sympathizer?

    Just wondering….does that, too, apply to Muslim terrorists?

  • Mr. Freemarket

    Interesting….home insurance is Voluntary. You don’t have to buy it.

    Car insurance, likewise, is voluntary. A. You don’t own a car, you don’t have to buy it…ever. B. You demonstrate financial responsibility, you don’t need to buy it in most states.

    And the federal government has no role in either type of insurance.

    Bernie Sanders version of socialism is involuntary. You cannot opt out.

  • KirklesWorth

    Don’t bother with this line of questioning, his selective indignation activates his virtue signaling and will dodge the question like he has these previous times:

    I also believe that people should be called out on hate speech and that people that evoke nazism should be called out as these principals are un-American. God fearing Socialists and Muslims that hold and defend American principals and the Constitution are welcome. It should be that simple.

    I haven’t yet seen “muslims” (as if there is something wrong with being one) carrying guns and torches in the US cities promoting racism. I must have missed that one.

    I’ll tell you what if that was 10,000 American muslims with marching and a white woman was killed this site would be calling for annihilation of the middle east.

    I also defend the rights of Muslims, and Jews and Socialists. I don’t think your list probably has those last three.

  • KirklesWorth

    That would make it a tax, right?

  • Mr. Freemarket

    I’m not sure what you are referring to?

  • Mr. Freemarket

    You are correct; attacking Nazis has exhausted his righteous indignation quota. He can’t be concerned about the tens of millions killed by Mao, Lenin, Stalin, and other groups of international socialists (well….they aren’t, of course “real” socialists, so let’s give them a pass.

    BTW, I’ve been contemplating the similarities between the Nazis and the Muslims.
    1. Both are driven by ideology,
    2. Both are willing to kill those who disagree with their ideology,
    3. Both were convinced that they were better than all others,
    4. Both seemed to kill homosexuals….(yet seemed to engage in homosexual practices).
    5. Both killed those trying to leave the fold (well…not so much the Nazis).
    6. Both played the victim card…until they were in charge.

  • Mark

    yes, that is the way it works with “white power” enthusiasts in the US and Charlottesville specifically it demands full-throated denunciation. Watch how a real president handled it. http://www.upworthy.com/how-one-former-president-handled-the-klan-speaks-volumes

    Silence equals complicity on issues like this.

    Otherwise you end up being this guy,, don’t be this guy
    http://digg.com/2017/fuentes-boston-university-charlottesville

    Muslim terrorists too, but that’s an easy one.

  • KirklesWorth

    Government run health care expenses would be a de-facto tax, contrary to Chief Justice Roberts’ ruling that could have prevented Obamacare in the first place.

  • KirklesWorth

    Still here even after for condemning this site and me for being here? Huh, I guess that goes to show how much you regard your own advice.

    yes, that is the way it works with “white power” enthusiasts in the US and Charlottesville specifically it demands full-throated denunciation.

    Who ‘demands”? You and social justice warriors? To the contrary, I intend to denounce your ham-fisted attempt to portray those who do not comply with your demands as “Nazi sympathizers”.

    Silence equals complicity on issues like this.

    Sorry, in America it is innocent until proven guilty. Didn’t you know? Otherwise, your silence on a myriad of other topics demands that you would be a sympathizer.

    Watch how a real president handled it.

    What’s this – changing your meme? First you lied when you said:

    Every thinking American should speak against that hateful ideology. As many many prominent military, business and political leaders. Oh yeah, except our president.

    And this is what proves your lie and your selective indignation:
    Donald J. Trump: We ALL must be united & condemn all that hate stands for. There is no place for this kind of violence in America. Lets come together as one!

    Otherwise you end up being this guy,, don’t be this guy

    Or like this guy who executed five police officers because “he wanted to kill white people, especially white officers”. You haven’t demonstrated any outrage on this, you must be guilty of being an anti-cop, anti-murder fascist (according to your “silence is complicity” theory).

    Muslim terrorists too, but that’s an easy one.

    But aren’t the muslims who don’t speak out on terrorism by their own complicit by their silence? Where are the rules about this complicity?

  • Mark

    you insist on comparing one wrong against another and saying “see! see! both sides do it!”. These are false comparisons, which is the first technique in the first chapter of the book “how to argue badly”.

    This board, and you as a very frequent poster certainly don’t have to say anything on Charlottesville. But when there are articles here saying (what Trump said) in that “both sides were responsible” then this is why business and military and govt people are distancing from him.

    There are “red lines” on any big issues, and race is one of the biggest. For Charlottesville it’s the “both sides do it” line which kind of runs parallel to the “black lives matter” line. If you don’t get it, or more importantly if you don’t want to try to understand/empathize/appreciate what that message is then I can’t help you. Of course “white lives matter”, but that’s just another diversionary tactic like mentioned above. If you want to just attack without being open to how people develop under different circumstances then so be it. I did come to this site with an open mind out of curiosity to better understand thinking on the opposite side of these lines. I think I do a little bit, in general I think a large part of it is intentional avoidance or lack of appreciation for whole parts of truths, facts and expert research. Trump had to seize “fake news” as an accusation (and benefit from it) in getting to where he is.

    I’m kinda done here, I crossed the line and looked around. I happen to think social justice and diversity is a key to healthy stable societies. I saw a lot of mockery about that here so I dropped by to understand and see a lot of hyperbole, demagoguery, and pretty nasty stuff (yes, I see it on the left too and I don’t visit those sites either). Always on the attack, intent on arousing but not really inventing or having much to offer other then emotional release from a bunch of white guys bemoaning their stolen legacy. The site probably does well enough with ads so the editors are happy to throw lots of red meat to feed the hungers of the tribes of people looking for this.

  • KirklesWorth

    you insist on comparing one wrong against another and saying “see! see! both sides do it!”. These are false comparisons, which is the first technique in the first chapter of the book “how to argue badly”.

    No, your selective indignation is “how to argue badly”. Non-discriminatory comments about how all racism and hatred is bad as opposed to your focus on single entities. You refuse to condemn outright all racism and hatred, and are thus exposed for your bigotry.

    This board, and you as a very frequent poster certainly don’t have to say anything on Charlottesville. But when there are articles here saying (what Trump said) in that “both sides were responsible” then this is why business and military and govt people are distancing from him.

    And you haven’t condemned James Alex Fields for killing Heather Heyer, so your hardly have the moral superiority to question the topics I decide to comment on. When the leftwing media and its followers are awash with faux or selective indignation, I want to know why that is.

    There are “red lines” on any big issues, and race is one of the biggest. For Charlottesville it’s the “both sides do it” line which kind of runs parallel to the “black lives matter” line. If you don’t get it, or more importantly if you don’t want to try to understand/empathize/appreciate what that message is then I can’t help you. Of course “white lives matter”, but that’s just another diversionary tactic like mentioned above.

    A lot of verbiage for agreeing that all lives matter (thanks for agreeing with us), which has been what we have been saying from the beginning – and calling it “diversionary” is contradictory to your own statement.

    If you want to just attack without being open to how people develop under different circumstances then so be it.

    And what “attack” would that be? You made a claim without a citation.

    I did come to this site with an open mind out of curiosity to better understand thinking on the opposite side of these lines.

    It is obvious you didn’t come to this site with an open mind. Otherwise you wouldn’t limit your indignation to the Nazis of Charlottesville and include all instances of hate and bigotry.

    I think I do a little bit, in general I think a large part of it is intentional avoidance or lack of appreciation for whole parts of truths, facts and expert research.

    Okay. So what? What whole part of being against hate, intollerance, bigotry and murder isn’t appreciated, isn’t truth, isn’t factual, or isn’t expert research?

    Trump had to seize “fake news” as an accusation (and benefit from it) in getting to where he is.

    What kind of a tangent are you going off on now? Do you want me to go into how Hillary would have decimated our country in response?

    I’m kinda done here, I crossed the line and looked around.

    You’ve said that before. But yes, you crossed the line when you insinated “silence is complicity”. That was so laughably wrong that I’m surprised you tried it more than once.

    I happen to think social justice and diversity is a key to healthy stable societies.

    Good, that’s what us republicans think.

    I saw a lot of mockery about that here so I dropped by to understand and see a lot of hyperbole, demagoguery, and pretty nasty stuff (yes, I see it on the left too and I don’t visit those sites either). Yeah, your “hyperbole, demagoguery, and pretty nasty stuff” was pointed out like “Dude, can you read english?”, “I hear your Russian masters are calling, why not scurry home to them?” “Or maybe instead stay and try to unify not divide this country?” “Apparently your reading comprehension skills are in decline or deficient.” That’s why disingenuous people have to be confronted and shown for what they are.

    Always on the attack, intent on arousing but not really inventing or having much to offer other then emotional release from a bunch of white guys bemoaning their stolen legacy.Big talk from projected from a hypocrite claiming things without evidence. Your factless accusations mean squat like most of your empty lectures.

    The site probably does well enough with ads so the editors are happy to throw lots of red meat to feed the hungers of the tribes of people looking for this.

    Oooh, some burn. It’s indicative how the left resorts to insinuations and innuendo as subsititutions and distractions for their lack of intellect and integrity.

    Feel free to come back when you have more than just “You must speak against Nazis or you are a collaborator” garbage.

  • Mark

    “Non-discriminatory comments about how all racism and hatred is bad as opposed to your focus on single entities. You refuse to condemn outright all racism and hatred, and are thus exposed for your bigotry.”
    whatever happened to non-demagoguery, what a joke!
    besides this is non-sensical. I refuse to condemn all racism and then am exposed? yes, I condemn all racism and Alex Jones and Alex Jones and lots of other people does that clear it up for you?

    you see racism in BLM, I get it. Yet you apparently don’t try to see what they see. I see systematic racism that has long existed in this country from civil war, thru Jim Crow and in the marches today.

    You are still saying both sides do it, I get it

    bye.

  • KirklesWorth

    You ignore condemning BLM, I get that. Fortunately the republicans freed the slaves and removed the democrats’ Jim Crow laws.

    Since you ignore over half of what I point out, let me simplify everything for you. President Trump said…

    Donald Jr. Trump: Every thinking American should speak against that hateful ideology. As many many prominent military, business and political leaders. Oh yeah, except our president.

    …and we republicans agree. Please indicate any “emboldening”, errors, or ambivalence in his statement as well as how it relates to your previous comment:

    Every thinking American should speak against that hateful ideology. As many many prominent military, business and political leaders. Oh yeah, except our president.

  • Mr. Freemarket

    Indeed. It was sold to the American Public as “not a tax” and then Roberts rewrites it so that it is a tax. What a disgrace of justice.

  • Mr. Freemarket

    I note that you remain silent on the international socialists that were responsible for killing over 10 times the number that the Nazis killed.

    Why is that?

  • Mr. Freemarket

    May I make a couple of observations?

    1. Your demand that I denounce Nazis reminds me of the cultural revolution under Mao (You remember Mao….he killed 20 million Chinese by attempting to impose his views on farm operation. That’s right…starved 20 million). The communists under Mao got really upset if you didn’t denounce enemies to the state with sufficient vigor.

    2. I’ve never known a Nazi or a White Supremacist. I don’t know either of them now. And the chance of them taking over the government is about as close to zero as you can get.

    3. Yet, I’ve known Communists. I’ve seen them in the US government (Remember Van Jones? He was a communist. Remember a Christmas ornament showing up on the White House Christmas tree with Mao’s face on it?)

    4. So, in terms of threats to our society and threats to our freedom, I find communists/socialists to be a much more dangerous threat than are the Nazis. Yet…..despite me bringing them up a number of times during our discussion, you remain strangely silent. Here a philosophy has been responsible for the death of over 120 million during the 20th century, yet you remain silent.

    Why is that?

  • KirklesWorth

    I think we’ve heard the last of @disqus_iURSmDNz3z:disqus, it seems he has shot his wad and discovered that the right isn’t as intellectually stunted as the left. He doesn’t appreciate his selective indignation exposed for what it is.

  • Mark

    Really is this what you think? that I would condone that because it has the word “socialist” in it? kind of crazy for me to say but yes but yes extermination based on ideology, religion, hair style or any other reason of large numbers of people is wrong, horrific and a war crime and deserves every conceivable condemnation.

    P.S. The Nazis whom you seem to be giving a pass in all this were “National Socialist German Workers’ Party”….

  • Mark

    More false comparisons and specious arguments. You have never met a White Supremacist therefore you don’t get upset about it? How many Islamic terrorists have you met in person?

    You are talking existential threats apparently, there are moral threats that are equally insidious, tolerating or institutionalizing racial bigotry is one.

    Van Jones? you mean the guy Obama fired? We can’t anticipate nutty behavior but we can hold people accountable. Good on Obama for that.

    “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” attributed to Edmund Burke

  • Mr. Freemarket

    Van Jones was not fired by Obama. Obama earns zero credit for Van Jones resigning.

    I have a friend who is missing one leg because of Islamic terrorists. I have another friend who tells a harrowing story of escaping from communist East Germany. I know another man from the Ukraine who barely survived starving as Russian troops searched from house to house confiscating any and all door.

    And you want me to get worked up over White Supremacy. What about black supremacists who have been responsible for many riots and acts of violence?

  • Mr. Freemarket

    Socialists Communists, Nazis, Muslims, etc., embrace totalitarian governments and beliefs. Some are more dangerous than others (Nazis have had essentially zero influence since 1945) but all infringe in the freedom of others. All are opposed to the Declaration of Independence, the founding document of these United States.

    Those who support these philosophies are un-American.

  • Mr. Freemarket

    I give Mark credit for being willing to present his ideas. It can’t be easy for him. He doesn’t wish to accept that his heros are totalitarians who infringe on freedom.

  • Mark

    van Jones who cares? Fired, quit, whatever, he got pushed out pretty quickly. Another attempt to deflect criticism by saying “both sides do it”

    Ok, so you have a double standard when it comes to White Supremacist and islamic terrorists. The white kind vs the dark skinned, I get it.

    Deflecting arguments by pointing at other “bad people” and saying “what about them” is a weak minded approach that doesn’t hold up in court.

    good luck!

  • Mark

    Dude, A Muslim is a person, not a system of government, for you to use it in the same context as the others listed show how little you know about it.

  • Mr. Freemarket

    Perhaps you are unaware of the definition of Islam:
    “Submission”
    If you were to visit Iran, you would see the difference between Islam the religion, and the Islamic Government of Iran.

  • Mr. Freemarket

    “van Jones who cares? Fired, quit, whatever, he got pushed out pretty quickly. Another attempt to deflect criticism by saying “both sides do it””

    No; I didn’t say both sides do it. You stated “Van Jones? you mean the guy Obama fired? We can’t anticipate nutty behavior but we can hold people accountable. Good on Obama for that.” You praised Obama for an action he did not take.

    “Ok, so you have a double standard when it comes to White Supremacist and islamic terrorists. The white kind vs the dark skinned, I get it.”
    Islamic Terrorists come in all colors. Muslims are not all dark skinned (maybe you didn’t notice). This is what we call a “straw man” argument.

    BTW, Stalin and Lenin were white, and I revile them as much as any two men who have ever lived. Hitler, too, was white, and I revile him as much as I revile Stalin and Lenin.

    My revulsion for people depends upon nothing as superficial as skin tone. I focus on beliefs, not outward appearance. I believe judging another based upon the content of their character is appropriate; judging them based upon physical appearance is both shallow and inappropriate.

    “Deflecting arguments by pointing at other “bad people” and saying “what about them” is a weak minded approach that doesn’t hold up in court.”

    You have said time and again that Nazis are the worst and ought to be reviled above all others. I asked basically “why” pointing out that apparently your communist heroes have killed ten times as many as did the Nazis. No deflection; just pointing out your double standard.

  • Mark

    Dude, you brought up van Jones, not me. After his antics, it was clear there was no place for him in the Obama admin, because that’s the kind of “no drama” rules that were in-place. There’s clinkers on every staff and time weeds them out, but overall his admin had relatively few of these personnel issues.

    My point is we had nazi’s marching in the streets with guns and body armor shouting “jews will not betray us” and it doesn’t apparently cause you to sit up and take notice and maybe feel a little outrage, and maybe have a little sympathy and understanding how some people want to fight back against that. So, THATS why it’s not fair to say “both sides”, yeah, there was killing on both sides in WWII also, but only one side had moral authority.

    My other larger point is that this is a “pick your side” kind of moment, and yes, “silence” in the face of racism or other outrage does imply some consent or complicity.

    So don’t stand up, don’t be recognized as somebody that is more on the side of “right” not just connected to some political affiliation. This is what we expect Presidents to do, show moral leadership, not wishy washy “both sides” crap.

    As far as far as skin color goes, I was just trying to figure out where your distinctions were drawn, somehow the white guys with guns and torches in street didn’t bother you too much but I can imagine a much different reaction from you if they were “socialists”, “muslim” or “commies”.

  • KirklesWorth

    Ok, so you have a double standard when it comes to White Supremacist and islamic terrorists. The white kind vs the dark skinned, I get it.

    No, that is you projecting. We are the ones who stand behind president Trump for saying:

    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/896420822780444672?lang=en

    Mark►KirklesWorth: Every thinking American should speak against that hateful ideology. As many many prominent military, business and political leaders. Oh yeah, except our president.

  • KirklesWorth

    Is this right or not? And if you keep posting the same garbage, I’m going to keep reposting your lie:

    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/896420822780444672?lang=en

    Mark►KirklesWorth: Every thinking American should speak against that hateful ideology. As many many prominent military, business and political leaders. Oh yeah, except our president.

  • KirklesWorth

    Wikipedia illustrates islamic republics:

    Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_republic

    An Islamic republic is the name given to several states in countries ruled by Islamic laws, including the Islamic Republics of Pakistan, Iran, Afghanistan, and Mauritania. Pakistan first adopted the title under the constitution of 1956. Mauritania adopted it on 28 November 1958. Iran adopted it after the 1979 Iranian Revolution that overthrew the Pahlavi dynasty. Afghanistan adopted it in 1992 (in 1996–2001 where the Taliban was ruling as an Islamic emirate) upon Jamiat-e Islami seizing capital Kabul from the Communists. Despite the similar name the countries differ greatly in their governments and laws.

    This islamic organization thinks it is a form of government:

    Al-Islam orgThe Form of Islamic Government

    Islamic government does not correspond to any of the existing forms of government. For example, it is not a tyranny, where the head of state can deal arbitrarily with the property and lives of the people, making use of them as he wills, putting to death anyone he wishes, and enriching anyone he wishes by granting landed estates and distributing the property and holdings of the people. The Most Noble Messenger (s), the Commander of the Faithful (‘a), and the other caliphs did not have such powers. Islamic government is neither tyrannical nor absolute, but constitutional. It is not constitutional in the current sense of the word, i.e., based on the approval of laws in accordance with the opinion of the majority. It is constitutional in the sense that the rulers are subject to a certain set of conditions in governing and administering the country, conditions that are set forth in the Noble Qur’an and the Sunnah of the Most Noble Messenger (s). It is the laws and ordinances of Islam comprising this set of conditions that must be observed and practiced. Islamic government may therefore be defined as the rule of divine law over men.

    The Washington Times makes the argument that islam is government:

    Washington Post: Islam is a government, not a faith

    Islam is not a “religion” in the American sense. It is a governmental system the same as communism, socialism, democracy, etc. Once we place it in the correct category, we will deal with it correctly. We have countries that are Islamic countries, socialist countries, communist countries and democracies. Most nations, except Muslim countries, have all religions represented. Muslim countries oppress all religions other than Islam. So for Americans, Islam is not a religion as we understand the word. Call it what it is and we can deal with it.

  • Mr. Freemarket

    So Van Jones is a communist serving in the Obama Administration, and, to you, he was a “clinker.” I wonder what you would say had he been a Nazi rather than a communist.

    “My point is we had nazi’s marching in the streets with guns and body armor shouting “jews will not betray us” ”
    100 protesters shouting racist slogans. And I’m supposed to be outraged? In 1999, for example, Jones and fellow STORM members went to Seattle to take part in the anti-World Trade Organization demonstrations, which devolved into violent riots.

    Around 2002, Jones, who had experience as a record producer, produced (for the Ella Baker Center) an album that starred cop-killer Mumia Abu-Jamal. That album featured lyrics depicting America not only as a place where “terrorists are made,” but also as “a piece of stolen land led by right-wing, war-hungry, oil-thirsty … mother f***ers” who “got people of color playing servant to do that sh** for them.” Jones himself performed on the album as well, reciting the following anti-Israel lyrics:

    “The end of the occupation. The right of return of the Palestinian people. These are critical dividing lines in human rights. We have to be here. No American would put up with an Israeli-style occupation of their hometown for 53 days let alone 54 years. U.S. tax dollars are funding violence against people of color inside the U.S. borders and outside the U.S. borders.”

    Hummm……Jones sounds pretty anti-Semitic to me.

    “there was killing on both sides in WWII also, but only one side had moral authority.”

    Moral authority, eh? Perhaps you are unaware of the Winter War in 1939, when the Soviet Union attacked Finland. (Stalin and Hitler reached an agreement earlier in 1939, the details of which are not generally known. Stalin and Hitler agreed to not attack each other. Further, Hitler got Poland, and Stalin got Finland. So in its attack on Finland, Russia was no less aggressive than was Hitler’s Germany. But you probably didn’t know about that).

    “My other larger point is that this is a “pick your side” kind of moment, and yes, “silence” in the face of racism or other outrage does imply some consent or complicity.”

    Fine; I’m opposed to racism in any form. I’m opposed to White Supremacists. I’m opposed to Black Lives Matter folks. I’m opposed to affirmative action.

    Happy now?

    ” I can imagine a much different reaction from you if they were “socialists”, “muslim” or “commies”.”

    Lemme see…..100 White Supremacists…..
    Problem is that I suspect that guys like you have never disavowed socialism as a bankrupt system that limits opportunities and often leads to oppression and mass killings. You still think socialism is a great idea. And so you mask the killings conducted by socialists by pointing fingers and yelling “Look….Nazis.”

    Kind of the same as pointing and yelling “look…squirrel.”

  • Mr. Freemarket

    By the way, this is what happens when you whip up anti-Nazi sentiment.
    http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/08/20/misidentified-a-man-was-stabbed-because-a-haircut-made-him-look-like-a-nazi/

    A guy is stabbed because someone thinks he might be a Nazi. In Colorado….thousands of miles away from the nearest Nazi rally.

  • Mark

    you are so twisted. It happens whenever any body whips up anti-Muslim sentiment too. Remember the stabbings on the train in Portland? Or the Indian guy in KC who was shot to death because somebody thought he didn’t belong there?

    Your one-sided arguments are getting old. Is this really how your brain works? maybe step outside your comfort zone and walk a mile in somebody else’s shoes

  • Mark

    I said you used the word “muslim” in the wrong context and you give me wiki articles on Islam? thanks for proving my point.

  • Mark

    “if he was a nazi”

    more specious comparisons intended to distract and conflate issues. Newsflash Van Jones is not president and never will be. He hasn’t been elected to anything

    Why are you hammering on van Jones? is it because its all you got? I never brought him up and I never defended him.

    I understand you are a Nazi sympathizer and/or apologist. I get it. But is that the way your brain works? every fault and problem on the right is ok or excusable because there are equal (by your view) faults on the left? really? I would go crazy if I thought or reasoned that way…. sad.

  • KirklesWorth

    I said you used the word “muslim” in the wrong context and you give me wiki articles on Islam? thanks for proving my point.

    No, you were talking to Mr. Freemarket, not me. Did I say muslims were or weren’t a system of government? Nope, I just illustrated how islam is government in other parts of the world in support of Mr. Freemarket. “Muslims” is a lot quicker and more recognizable than “islamists”, so I would think you would understand the context without getting picky like you did in calling Nazis an “ideology”.

  • KirklesWorth

    Yeah, we must condemn all of these out-of-control-bigots for jumping to ridiculous conclusions, right?

    Yahoo: Colorado man stabbed because of his ‘neo-Nazi haircut’

    He described more of the incident later to the New York Post: “All I hear is, ‘Are you one of them neo-Nazis?’ as this dude is swinging a knife up over my car door at me,” said Witt. The man proceeded to attempt to stab Witt, who defended himself, suffering a slice to his hand. The encounter could have been deadly, Witt said. “The dude was actually aiming for my head.”

  • KirklesWorth

    Still trying to disparage those who debate you, huh? Well, we will keep adding to your list:

    Mark►Mr. Freemarket: excuse it all you want, and be seen for the nazi sympathizer that you apparently are
    Mark►Mr. Freemarket: Ok, so you have a double standard when it comes to White Supremacist and islamic terrorists. The white kind vs the dark skinned, I get it.
    Mark►Mr. Freemarket: P.S. The Nazis whom you seem to be giving a pass in all this were “National Socialist German Workers’ Party”…
    Mark►Mr. Freemarket: Well, if you only condemned the torch bearers in Charlottesville with such intensity then I might believe that you have some intellectual honesty, but you don’t.
    Mark►Bodhisattva: White is black and black is white, that’s how you guys get through the day without your heads exploding from cognitive dissonance.
    Mark►Bodhisattva: You don’t understand the difference between speaking/writing literally vs figuratively do you?
    Mark►KirklesWorth: Apparently your reading comprehension skills are in decline or deficient.
    Mark►Bodhisattva: suck it up and put your big boy pants on there little guy. You didn’t win one. boo hoo. Real men stand up and get back to work, they don’t cry on message boards
    Mark►KirklesWorth: Dude, can you read english?
    Mark►KirklesWorth: I hear your Russian masters are calling, why not scurry home to them? Or maybe instead stay and try to unify not divide this country?
    Mark►Mr. Freemarket: I understand you are a Nazi sympathizer and/or apologist.

  • Mr. Freemarket

    Right….I’m a Nazi sympathizer and/or apologist. Here’s what I think about Nazis….nothing. I don’t care about them. They are non-entities. It takes too much effort to actually hate them.

    Were they evil? Yes; Indeed. But really….no worse that the communists. Doesn’t mean I sympathize with them, or apologize for them. And….the Nazi’s hate toward Jews is similar to some of the communists hate toward blacks. Are you familiar with some of the racist positions that the communists have taken?

    “Why are you hammering on van Jones? is it because its all you got? I never brought him up and I never defended him.”

    Because you see Nazis as a threat to our country, ignoring the fact that the communists are, in reality, a much bigger threat to our country. Re-read what I posted. No Nazis in the US government since the 1940’s (FDR was kind of a fan of Hitler…until he wasn’t). The communists, on the other hand, have not gone away. We had communists and those who love communists in the last administration. And they are still hell-bent on destroying Trump. And we haven’t even brought up the fact that Obama’s mentor, Frank Marshall Davis was a communist.

    Here’s a reference where the Communist Party USA is endorsing Bernie Sanders, and, if he isn’t the nominee from the democrats, endorses Hillary Clinton. https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-05-31/communist-party-leader-voted-for-sanders-will-back-clinton

    Now….tell me how much you abhore socialism and communists…..

    I’ll wait.

  • Mr. Freemarket

    Shall we talk about Bernie Sanders supporters attacking congressional republicans at a baseball game, too?

  • Mark

    I’m no communist and hardly a “socialist”, (unless you count participating in medical insurance)

    But my point here is based on two tested truths, if you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem and All that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

    If communists were marching in the streets with body armor and guns and chanting despicable slogans, I would be just as outraged, but you apparently are not outraged by the nazi’s (even though Nazi’s are “socialists”)

    You must really hate Putin then as he finds a lot to like about socialism and communism. What do you think about Trump cozying up to such a guy?

    Nazi’s a threat? Maybe because you are white you don’t care but here’s refresher,

    * OK city bombing killed 168
    * Wade Michael Page’s 2012 attack on a Sikh temple killed 6.
    * Glen Miller’s 2014 Jewish community center in Kansas, which killed three
    * Dylann Roof’s 2015 murder of nine black parishioners at the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston

    Communism is all but a dead ideology,
    but here’s a list White Nationalist Hate Groups (from last year) that just need a wink and a nod from you to gain ground, good luck!
    ——————

    Alternative Right

    Atlanta, GA

    American Eagle Party

    Gatlinburg, TN

    American Freedom Party

    Los Angeles, CA*

    Lakewood Ranch, FL

    Indiana County, IN

    Montana

    Grand Forks, ND

    New York, NY

    Granbury, TX

    American Freedom Union

    Hampton Township, PA

    American Renaissance/New Century Foundation

    Oakton, VA

    American Vanguard

    Huntington Beach, CA*

    Arizona

    Northern California

    Orlando, FL

    Missouri

    Nebraska

    Ohio

    Pennsylvania

    Texas

    Utah

    Virginia

    Bremerton, WA

    Bob’s Underground Graduate Seminar/BUGS

    Columbia, SC

    Center for Perpetual Diversity

    Arlington, VA

    Conservative Citizens Foundation, Inc.

    Bridgeton, MO

    Council of Conservative Citizens

    St. Louis, MO*

    Eufaula, AL

    Silver Spring, MD

    New York, NY

    Franklin, TN

    Counter-Currents Publishing

    San Francisco, CA*

    New York, NY

    Seattle, WA

    European American
    Action Coalition

    Pittston, PA

    European American Front

    Baldwyn, MS

    Faith and Heritage

    Killeen, TX

    Fitzgerald Griffin Foundation, The

    Vienna, VA

    Forza Nuova—USA

    New Jersey*

    Phoenix, AZ

    Foundation for the Marketplace of Ideas

    Clinton Township, MI

    Free American

    Tucson, AZ

    Heritage and Destiny

    Silver Spring, MD

    H.L. Mencken Club

    Elizabethtown, PA

    Identity Evropa

    Oakdale, CA

    National Policy Institute

    Whitefish, MT*

    Arlington, VA

    Northwest Front

    Bremerton, WA

    Occidental Dissent

    Eufaula, AL

    Occidental Observer

    Laguna Beach, CA

    Occidental Quarterly/Charles Martel Society

    Atlanta, GA

    Patriotic Flags

    Charleston, SC

    Phalanx

    Washington, DC

    Pioneer Little Europe Kalispell Montana

    Kalispell, MT

    Political Cesspool, The

    Bartlett, TN

    Racial Nationalist Party
    of America

    Lockport, NY

    Radix Journal

    Whitefish, MT

    Right Stuff, The

    New York, NY*

    Cincinnati, OH

    Columbus, OH

    Lehigh County, PA

    Scott-Townsend Publishers

    Washington, DC

    Social Contract Press

    Petoskey, MI

    Sons & Daughters of Liberty

    Florida*

    Illinois

    Indiana

    South Africa Project

    Converse, LA

    Stormfront

    West Palm Beach, FL

    Traditionalist Worker Party

    Paoli, IN*

    Sacramento, CA

    Columbus, IN

    Kansas

    Louisville, KY

    Madisonville, KY

    Murray, KY

    Philadelphia, PA

    Dallas, TX

    Virginia

    Traditionalist Youth Network

    Paoli, IN*

    Bloomington, IN

    Benson, NC

    Wisconsin

    VDARE Foundation

    Warrenton, VA

    Washington Summit Publishers

    Whitefish, MT

    White Boy Society

    Illinois*

    Kansas

    Michigan

    Missouri

    Wisconsin

    White Lives Matter

    Texas*

    Connecticut

    Tennessee

    White New York

    Rochester, NY

    White Rabbit Radio

    Dearborn Heights, MI

    Wolves of Vinland

    Lynchburg, VA*

    Colorado

    Oregon

    Washington

    Wyoming

    WTM Enterprises

    Roanoke, IN

  • KirklesWorth

    But my point here is based on two tested truths, if you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem and All that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

    It’s amazing how you don’t worry about American principles like the first amendment and innocent until proven guilty. Your favorite logical fallacies are straw men, false dichotomies, and argumentum ex silentio:

    Mark►Mr. Freemarket: Changing the subject from condemnation of nazi marchers in American streets is giving them a pass.
    Mark►Mr. Freemarket: If you care so much, where is your outrage?
    Mark►Mr. Freemarket: excuse it all you want, and be seen for the nazi sympathizer that you apparently are
    Mr. Freemarket►Mark: So if I don’t condemn Nazis vigorously enough, I’m a Nazi sympathizer? Mark►Mr. Freemarket: yes, that is the way it works with “white power” enthusiasts in the US and Charlottesville specifically it demands full-throated denunciation.
    Mark►Mr. Freemarket: Silence equals complicity on issues like this.
    Mark►Mr. Freemarket: My other larger point is that this is a “pick your side” kind of moment, and yes, “silence” in the face of racism or other outrage does imply some consent or complicity.
    Mark►Mr. Freemarket: You come on forums like this to cheer on those that are mocking the left say nothing about awful it is to have Nazi’s marching in our streets. If you really cared, you might Instead of denounce the hate speech and give no quarter to those that slyly try to feed the nazi flames.
    Mark►Mr. Freemarket: “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” attributed to Edmund Burke

    And you continue to imply (or state outright) that people who do not walk in lock-step with you are either Nazis or collaborators:

    Mark►Mr. Freemarket: excuse it all you want, and be seen for the nazi sympathizer that you apparently are
    Mark►Mr. Freemarket: Ok, so you have a double standard when it comes to White Supremacist and islamic terrorists. The white kind vs the dark skinned, I get it.
    Mark►Mr. Freemarket: P.S. The Nazis whom you seem to be giving a pass in all this were “National Socialist German Workers’ Party”…
    Mark►Mr. Freemarket: Well, if you only condemned the torch bearers in Charlottesville with such intensity then I might believe that you have some intellectual honesty, but you don’t.
    Mark►Bodhisattva: White is black and black is white, that’s how you guys get through the day without your heads exploding from cognitive dissonance.
    Mark►Bodhisattva: You don’t understand the difference between speaking/writing literally vs figuratively do you?
    Mark►KirklesWorth: Apparently your reading comprehension skills are in decline or deficient.
    Mark►Bodhisattva: suck it up and put your big boy pants on there little guy. You didn’t win one. boo hoo. Real men stand up and get back to work, they don’t cry on message boards
    Mark►KirklesWorth: Dude, can you read english?
    Mark►KirklesWorth: I hear your Russian masters are calling, why not scurry home to them? Or maybe instead stay and try to unify not divide this country?
    Mark►Mr. Freemarket: I understand you are a Nazi sympathizer and/or apologist.
    Mark►Mr. Freemarket: Communism is all but a dead ideology, but here’s a list White Nationalist Hate Groups (from last year) that just need a wink and a nod from you to gain ground, good luck!

  • Mark

    Good work cutting and pasting but you still reach the wrong conclusion.

    “It’s amazing how you don’t worry about American principles like the first amendment and innocent until proven guilty. ” huh? where’s this come from? This site does nothing but mock, demagogue and attack anyone that falls outside whatever ideology is promoted here and suddenly you demand something else? Thin skinned? can dish it out but can’t take it?

    I simply say that people that can’t denounce Nazi’s marching in our streets with guns, torches and body armor and instead find reasons to criticize the “left” and say “both sides do it” ARE at a minimum Nazi apologists if not sympathizers or enablers. is that clear enough for you? (they might be stupid too, but I never count on that as an excuse for anything)

  • KirklesWorth

    Good work cutting and pasting but you still reach the wrong conclusion.

    The conclusion reaches itself – you keep stating the same things over and over as though it’s going to change them from wrong to right.

    “It’s amazing how you don’t worry about American principles like the first amendment and innocent until proven guilty. ” huh? where’s this come from?

    We’ve gone over this before. You want to stop groups’ first amendment rights because you don’t like their message, and then demand other people use their speech according to your specifications. Coerced speech is not free speech.

    This site does nothing but mock, demagogue and attack anyone that falls outside whatever ideology is promoted here and suddenly you demand something else?

    As you said before, “suck it up and put your big boy pants on there little guy”. Where are these “demands” you claim?

    Thin skinned? can dish it out but can’t take it?

    That’s rich coming from you and your “I hear your Russian masters are calling, why not scurry home to them? Or maybe instead stay and try to unify not divide this country?” What exactly did I say that hurt your fragile ego?

    I simply say that people that can’t denounce Nazi’s marching in our streets with guns, torches and body armor and instead find reasons to criticize the “left” and say “both sides do it” ARE at a minimum Nazi apologists if not sympathizers or enablers. is that clear enough for you? (they might be stupid too, but I never count on that as an excuse for anything)

    Sure it’s clear – that you think it’s your way or the highway. Your false dichotomy does not make your point valid. We condemn all hate and bigotry, which is more than sufficient to cover all of the bases…is that clear enough for you?

  • Mr. Freemarket

    Your list is quite humorous, actually. (I assume it is from the Southern Poverty Law Center). It lists American Vanguard as a hate group with some association with Utah. I’ve lived in Utah a long time now. I spent 5 minutes on American Vanguard’s site looking for anything associated with a chapter in Utah…without success. https://natall.com/join-us/ And this is a hate group that I’m supposed to take seriously? They are a joke. Out of Utah’s 3 million citizens, I doubt you could find three members.

    “If communists were marching in the streets with body armor and guns and chanting despicable slogans, I would be just as outraged, but you apparently are not outraged by the nazi’s (even though Nazi’s are “socialists”)”

    I’m 2000 miles away from any Nazis marching in the streets. I have no more affection for the alt-right than I do for the alt-left.

    “Nazi’s a threat? Maybe because you are white you don’t care but here’s refresher,
    * OK city bombing killed 168
    * Wade Michael Page’s 2012 attack on a Sikh temple killed 6.
    * Glen Miller’s 2014 Jewish community center in Kansas, which killed three
    * Dylann Roof’s 2015 murder of nine black parishioners at the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston”

    Oklahoma City bombing was in 1995. So over the past 22 years, “Nazis” have killed a total of 186 people?

    I’m pretty sure that Muslims have killed quite a few more Americans than that in the past 22 years. In fact, I rather suspect that there have been all sorts of racially motivated attacks over the past 22 years. Ever hear of “Polar Bear” hunting?

    “Communism is all but a dead ideology,”

    Not if you listen to Bernie Sanders talk.

  • Mark

    “We’ve gone over this before. You want to stop groups’ first amendment rights because you don’t like their message, and then demand other people use their speech according to your specifications. Coerced speech is not free speech.”

    Wrong, wrong and wrong. I don’t want to stop it, I just want it called out for what it is. Which is what the military leaders and many business leaders did. So you can tar me with the same brush as the senior uniformed brass of the Joint Chiefs. To a man, they all condemn it. This is what intellectually and morally honest people do, they don’t try to hide behind weasel words, like “both sides were at fault”

    If It’s just “free” speech then it shouldn’t need guns, body armor, shields and intimidation tactics.

  • Mark

    Dude, words matter, if you understand history and the meanings of words then you would know that Bernie is no communist.

    I’m also sure that Americans have killed quite a few more Muslims over the past 22 years then they have Americans, but these comparisons are false comparisons. Playing the game of moral relativism is a losers game.

    Besides we’re talking domestic terrorism no? I’m just saying rising White nationalism is a threat that needs to be called out by the President and by Americans everywhere across the political spectrum. Why is that so hard to understand

  • Mark

    check here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Vanguard_(American_organization)
    and do some more googling, (or duck duck go) they keep their members anonymous.
    Your assumption is because you have never heard of them in Utah they and don’t have web page that you don’t think they exist? This is how you think? really?
    wow,

    Clearly, it’s all about YOU, YOU are 2000 miles away, YOU have never heard of them, it doesn’t bother YOU. Lots of people in this world and country think about others too.

  • KirklesWorth

    Wrong, wrong and wrong. I don’t want to stop it, I just want it called out for what it is. Which is what the military leaders and many business leaders did.

    And you once again lied by omission about Trump and us here. Hate and bigotry have been universally condemned, yet you continue your frequently-projected demagoguery. Since the all-encompassing condemnation of hate and bigotry has been expressed, what is it you want if not to deprive the neo-Nazis of their first amendment rights?

    An example of the left’s selective indignation:

    Washington Examiner: US Commission on Civil Rights refuses to condemn ‘club-wielding Antifa’

    Commissioner Kirsanow added, “The Commission dishonors its legacy by condemning violence only when it’s committed by disfavored groups. By refusing to condemn Antifa’s violence, the Commission’s majority sanctions beatings and other violent conduct—provided it’s politically correct.”

    This is what intellectually and morally honest people do, they don’t try to hide behind weasel words, like “both sides were at fault”

    Good thing we condemned them all as opposed to selectively like some people. But the fault could also be placed on the city of Charlottesville’s incompetence in handling the matter. Who threw the first punch? Read for yourself and point out where the fault lies:

    LA Times: Who was responsible for the violence in Charlottesville? Here’s what witnesses say

    If It’s just “free” speech then it shouldn’t need guns, body armor, shields and intimidation tactics.

    There you go thinking you are the arbiter again – get over yourself. Who would ever think they would have to defend themselves at a peaceful protest:

    Philly com: In Charlottesville, some in the left came armed, too

    The Blaze: Antifa wants combat training and firearms after losing the ‘Battle for Berkeley’

    Washington Post reporter Joe Heim: “Counter-protesters fought back, also swinging sticks, punching and spraying chemicals. Others threw balloons filled with paint or ink at the white nationalists. Everywhere, it seemed violence was exploding. The police did not move to break up the fights.”

  • KirklesWorth

    Dude, words matter, if you understand history and the meanings of words then you would know that Bernie is no communist.

    Dude, words matter – but not the ones you put in peoples; mouths. Mr. Freemarket didn’t say Bernie Sanders was a communist, he said in terms of you claiming communism was a “dead ideology”, “Not if you listen to Bernie Sanders talk”.

    http://www.investopedia.com/video/play/difference-between-communism-and-socialism/

    Communism and socialism are economic and political structures that promote equality and seek to eliminate social classes. The two are interchangeable in some ways, but different in others. In a communist society, the working class owns everything, and everyone works toward the same communal goal. […] while [in socialism] the government, not citizens, owns and operates the means for production.

    So, what has Bernie Sanders said? ““All that socialism means to me, to be very frank with you, is democracy with a small ‘d’”, “And that means that you cannot separate the political structure from the economic structure”, “If you read what Debs [jailed for espionage during the Red Scare and hailed by the Bolsheviks as “America’s greatest Marxist”] said about the goals of socialism, it’s no different from what I’ve been saying — that all socialism is about is democracy”, “Socialism has a lot of different messages to different people. I think the issue of socialist ideology and what that meant or means is not terribly important”, “In Vermont, everybody knows that I am a socialist and that many people in our movement, not all, are socialists”, “Bill Clinton is a moderate Democrat. I’m a democratic socialist”, “I wouldn’t deny it. Not for one second. I’m a democratic socialist”.

    There is no question that Bernie Sanders is a socialist. The question on whether he is a communist relies on the question: who does he think should own everything…the people or the government? He has stated “To me, socialism doesn’t mean state ownership of everything, by any means, it means creating a nation, and a world, in which all human beings have a decent standard of living”…but that’s not the complete picture.

    ● joined the Young People’s Socialist League (youth wing of the Socialist Party USA)
    ● organized United Packinghouse Workers Union
    ● headed the American People’s History Society (Marxist)
    ● produced documentary on Eugene Debs (“America’s greatest Marxist”)
    ● helped found the Liberty Union Party (nationalization of all US banks and the public takeover of all private utility companies)
    ● As mayor, he restricted property rights for landlords, set price controls and raised property taxes to pay for communal land trusts
    ● took several “goodwill” trips not only to the USSR, but also to Cuba and Nicaragua
    ● traveled to Managua to celebrate the rise to power of the Marxist-Leninist Sandinista government
    ● put up a Soviet flag in his office
    ● addressed the national conference of the US Peace Council (the Communist Party USA)
    ● wants to private health insurance and drug companies “out of business”
    ● he named their city softball squad the “People’s Republic of Burlington”
    ● he named the town’s minor league baseball team the “Vermont Reds”

    I’d say there was a case here that Bernie Sanders has experience in communism.

    Besides we’re talking domestic terrorism no? I’m just saying rising White nationalism is a threat that needs to be called out by the President and by Americans everywhere across the political spectrum. Why is that so hard to understand

    It was and we did – why is that so hard to understand?

  • KirklesWorth

    Maybe listing the articles from the RSS feeds regarding Antifa will help put things in perspective in regards to why one side doesn’t care about them and the other does:

    ABC News: Nothing

    CBS: Nothing

    MSNBC: Nothing

    CNN: Unmasking Antifa: Seeking peace through violence
    CNN: Antifa? White nationalist? A glossary for today’s political climate

    Fox News: US commission on civil rights refuses to condemn Antifa violence
    Fox News: BIAS ALERT Chuck Todd hit for ‘softball’ interviews with Antifa ally
    Fox News: ‘TERROR GROUP’
    Fox News: Petition to label Antifa a terror group has more than 140,000 signatures
    Fox News: Report: California is No. 1 haven for hate groups – Antifa protesters arrested at Chicago rally against white supremacy
    Fox News: Antifa protesters arrested at Chicago rally against white supremacy

    Breitbart: Gainor on Antifa: If Republican Protesters Threw Urine at Cops, It Would Be Front-Page News
    Breitbart: Dem Rep Cohen: Antifa Violence Not Comparable, They Are Opposing Nazis, Confederates
    Breitbart: White House Petition Calls on Trump to Officially Recognize ‘Antifa’ as a Terrorist Organization
    Breitbart: MSNBC Analyst on Antifa: ‘Not a Bad Label’ to Be Against Fascism, Nazism
    Breitbart: CNN Normalizes Antifa: Leftists ‘Seek Peace Through Violence’
    Breitbart: In Corporate Antifa’s Wake, Stocks Fall by Most in Three Months
    Breitbart: Corporate Antifa: CEOs Revolt Against American Democracy
    Breitbart: Brandon Darby: Antifa Is the Resurgence of Anti-War Movement, Occupy Wall Street, Black Lives Matter
    Breitbart: Mark Bray on Antifa: Nazism Had to be ‘Stopped by Force,’ and ‘Self-Defense Is Necessitated’ Today
    Breitbart: Ending ‘White Supremacy’ Requires Erasure of Washington and Jefferson, Says Antifa Supporter
    Breitbart: Jets LB Jordan Jenkins: Antifa in Charlottesville to ‘Defend their Country’
    Breitbart: McCain, Romney, and Rubio Join the Republicans for Antifa Club
    Breitbart: Chicago Police Clash with Antifa Protesters Outside Cook County Courthouse
    Breitbart: Yahoo! News Gives Antifa Glowing Profile
    Breitbart: Breitbart News’ Pollak to BBC on Charlottesville: Antifa Shares Blame for Violence
    Breitbart: Corey Stewart: Violent Left, Antifa Will Be Emboldened by Charlottesville
    Breitbart: The Nuclear Option: Stupid Media Still Worse Than Alt-Right, Antifa Left
    Breitbart: Gov. Terry McAuliffe Refuses to Denounce Antifa Attacks on Journalists
    Breitbart: Mike Pence Defends Donald Trump on Charlottesville Response, Highlights Antifa Agitators
    Breitbart: ‘Anti-Fascists’ Set American Flag on Fire in Seattle Clashes
    Breitbart: Female Reporter for The Hill Allegedly Punched by ‘Antifa’ Protester in Charlottesville
    Breitbart: Gov. McAuliffe in Charlottesville ‘No Place in America’ for Alt-Right, Refuses to Condemn AntiFa

  • Mr. Freemarket

    OK, when is the last time that you decried Muslim violence?

    When is the last time you decried Black violence?

  • Mr. Freemarket

    Where is your effort to denounce black violence?

    Where have you called out Islamic terrorists?

  • Mr. Freemarket
  • Mark

    Newsflash: “67 Former State Attorneys General Have a Message: Condemn Hate Bluntly”

    “There are times in the life of a nation, or a president, or a state attorney general, when one is called upon to respond directly to the voice of hate.”

    “When you look down that list, there’s many fine Republicans as well as Democrats,” he said. “And that’s the way it ought to be on issues like this, condemning sheer hatred.”

    jeez, sound familiar ?

    “In February 1976, that attorney general, Bill Baxley, received a threatening letter. It was from Edward R. Fields, a grand dragon in the Ku Klux Klan, who was furious that the state had reopened an investigation into the Birmingham church bombing that killed four young girls in 1963.

    He demanded a response, and Mr. Baxley obliged.

    “Dear ‘Dr.’ Fields,” he wrote. “My response to your letter of February 19, 1976, is — kiss my ass.””

    To answer your trolling question, If you look above in this ridiculously long thread, I have done that more than once.

    I’m pretty much done here, you are going round and round in circles

  • KirklesWorth

    I’m pretty much done here, you are going round and round in circles

    Who is going round and round in circles? You are the one trying to extract a distinction without a difference:

    Mr. Freemarket: Yes, I hate Nazis. Yes, I hate communists. And yes, I hate those trying to impose socialism on the US, whether they are Nazis, communists, or socialists.
    Donald J. Trump: We ALL must be united & condemn all that hate stands for. There is no place for this kind of violence in America. Lets come together as one!
    KirklesWorth:…and we republicans agree. Please indicate any “emboldening”, errors, or ambivalence in his statement as well as how it relates to your previous comment:

    Every thinking American should speak against that hateful ideology. As many many prominent military, business and political leaders. Oh yeah, except our president.

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