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Jan 09 2018

Double-Digit Declines for NFL Playoff Ratings

Let’s check in to see how Roger Goodell’s woke NFL is doing. The playoffs have started. The ratings, via Sports lllustrated:

Titans-Chiefs (14.7) was down 11 percent versus last year’s Raiders-Texans game.

Falcons-Rams (14.9) was down 10 percent versus last year’s Lions-Seahawks game.

Bills-Jaguars (17.2) was down 10 percent versus last year’s Dolphins-Steelers game.

Panthers-Saints (20.4) was down 21 percent versus last year’s Giants-Packers game.

Double-digit ratings declines mean someone is losing a lot of money — and former fans keep wandering off as they find more constructive uses for their time.

Let this be a lesson to other sports leagues. If they want to keep their audience, they will require players to show some respect during the national anthem.

On a tip from Bodhisattva.



  • J Fitzgerald

    Just stick with collage ball…fewer degenerates.

  • C. S. P. Schofield

    “former fans keep wandering off as they find more constructive uses for their time.”

    Like collecting belly-button lint.

  • The Uhlan

    I think the average fan would say the games are over officiated, the rules have been tweaked too much to protect the quarterback, the rules are byzantine when it comes to basic concepts like “completed pass”, too many commercial breaks disrupt the flow of the game, Roger Goodell’s reign, ticket prices. The kneeling was a bigger deal last season and earlier this season when the networks made a point of showing kneeling players. That’s made me less inclined to stay with a game.

    But nobody monitors my TV watching, and virtue signalling by not watching and then telling everyone about it isn’t going to do anything one way or the other. So I’ll continue to watch the NFL because college football is amateur football, given that only 1 or 2% of college players will play professionally. Plays develop too slowly and stuff that works in college would have zero chance of working in the NFL.

  • Eddie_Valiant

    So, now that Goodell has been signed to a new $40 million dollar contract, I guess being the CEO of a business losing money is to be rewarded.

    Gee, I’d always thought that a CEO had to increase revenue to retain his position. Silly me.

  • Anonymous

    But you have to drink the Leftist Kool Aid– my trendy “Business thought leader” told me so!! (ESG– Environment, Social and Governance– is progressivism for Business today… as if Marxism makes a profit.) Forbes has gone PC on that Clown World delusion:
    “The Danger of Not Embracing ESG,” by Stuart R. Levine, Forbes, 5 Jan 2018
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbesinsights/2018/01/05/the-dange-of-not-embracing-esg/

  • Anonymous
  • Occam’s Stubble

    Do you watch games over the public airwaves or through a DVR or satellite dish? If it’s the latter, someone is likely monitoring your TV watching.

  • Uncle_Pinko

    Yes REQUIRING people to show patriotism is the American way.

  • Tchhht!!!

    College ball is for NFL thugs in training.

  • The Uhlan

    I usually watch in a bar, so my personal presence isn’t known or unknown.

  • The Uhlan

    We’re not “requiring” anything. There are consequence for every action, as you libtards don’t understand. If you want to trash the flag, go ahead, it’s a free country, and that right is first amendment protected against government punishment. But it isn’t protected against the disgust of the average citizens who are also free to crash the NFL ratings. While there are a lot of other problems with the NFL caused by Goodell, this is one you ‘tards have invited.

  • Uncle_Pinko

    Please re-read the last sentence in Dave’s post, that’s exactly what he wants.

  • The Uhlan

    Please get a grip on what is constitutionally protected speech because contracts are things that people voluntarily agree to. Contracts can restrict speech, and if the NFL wants to keep its ratings, it should curb the disrespect by making rules under the NFL Collective Bargaining Agreement. If Dave were calling for the government to step in, then the government would be stepping on the first amendment, but he isn’t.

    Consequences, kid. You’ll see as you grow up, you can’t do whatever you want without facing them.

  • Uncle_Pinko

    I’m fully aware that neither Dave nor anyone is calling for people to go to jail for kneeling during the national anthem.

    My point also still stands … A policy that REQUIRES someone to demonstrate patriotism in a certain way is un-American.

    Look at how many people today claim that folks on the other side of the aisle are un-American, just because they disagree politically. As such, I don’t need anyone defining for me, exactly what it means to ‘respect the flag.’

  • The Uhlan

    I’ll tell you what’s American. It’s American for any American to disrespect the flag because that’s a right that a lot of us paid for, sometimes with blood. And we also paid for the right of other Americans to say to you “up yours” for doing so. The CBA could end that disgrace, legally, if Goodell had a pair, because the right to contract is also something distinctly American, bought and paid for. And if you don’t like that other Americans are exercising their rights, deal with it.

    As to whether you personally respect or disrespect the flag isn’t an issue, so spare us the virtue signaling.

  • Uncle_Pinko

    Goddell changing the CBA to REQUIRE specific behavior with respect to what is ‘patriotic’ would be an un-American thing to do. It would be akin to a loyalty oath, and no, I don’t want to live in a country that requires those.

  • The Uhlan

    My suggestion to you is that you never sign a CBA that requires you to do anything you don’t want to do. It’s a free country.

    Other than that, when you have to make an asshat analogy that a “loyalty oath” is equivalent to conduct rules allowed by a CBA, you’ve lost the argument.

    Actions have consequences, you’ll learn.

  • The Uhlan

    I don’t know why anyone believes that. The primary goal of a CEO is to keep on being a CEO. Increasing revenue is just a means to that end, but not the only means.

  • Uncle_Pinko

    Lost the argument? Please. Requiring loyalty (respecting the flag by standing during the National Anthem) is EXACTLY what’s going on here.

  • MAS

    So “…show some respect…” now equals forced patriotism?

  • The Uhlan

    It’s a cheap debate trick that every high school debater and all libtards use to try to define a term to control the outcome of the argument. You fail at defining loyalty. ProTip: capitalizing words doesn’t help.

    16 year olds have the excuse of inexperience in their failures at argumentation, what’s yours?

    Actions have consequences, you’ll learn.

  • Uncle_Pinko

    You should definitely keep saying “Actions have consequences, you’ll learn.” It really ties your non-argument together.

  • The Uhlan

    Eventually you’ll figure out what that sentence means, but for now, you’ve been embarrassed enough. You’ve been schooled on constitutional law, contract law, and what it means to be an American. Accept the lesson, kid.

  • Uncle_Pinko

    You are so concerned with being patronizing that you can’t even see how off the mark you are with the points you just made about …

    1. Constitutional law – 100% in line with what I’ve said. No one is suggesting that people go to jail for kneeling.

    2. Contract law – how exactly did you school me here? Goodell can change the CBA, and if employees don’t like it they don’t have sign… yes I know all of that. None of that changes the un-American idea behind your entire point – that employers should be able to mandate or require ‘patriotic’ or ‘respectful’ behavior towards the flag.

    3. What it means to be an American – sorry, you don’t have a monopoly on that.

  • geeknerd

    Those players who, in London knelt for the American national anthem yet stood for the British national anthem should be deported to Great Britain. Those players who, in Mexico City knelt for the American national anthem yet stood for the Mexican national anthem should be deported to Mexico.

    As for Uncle Pinko, don’t feed the trolls.

  • The Uhlan

    at least you figured out you’re being patronized. that’s a start, the first step on the way to wisdom, which you might attain within the next two or three decades.

  • Uncle_Pinko

    Your lack of any substantive response is noted.

  • I have an explanation for this:

    Part of the rise in ratings for the NFL can be directly attributed to the popularity of “Fantasy Football”. People who would not care about most teams wouldn’t even bother to watch many of the games they watch to see how “their team” (fantasy team) does.

    And now that the regular season is over – they lose interest, since the guys they picked for “their team”, for the most part, are done playing.

    The long and short of it is that since the protests, one of the things that keeps the NFL hanging on, barely, in the ratings race, is fantasy football.

  • Typical moonbat logic. YOU are the one who says “REQUIRING” because that is EXACTLY how the Democrats see things – you were “REQUIRED” to vote for Hillary, for instance, and anyone who voted for Bernie or any other candidate was a traitor.

    For us it is not “REQUIRED” but “EXPECTED”. We EXPECT people to have at least some degree of patriotism – or to go to some other country where they fell capable and willing to do so. You and the rest of the “Hate America First” crowd really don’t belong here, not because we say so, but because you make it abundantly clear you hate America and hate being here and would be so much happier in a socialist utopia such as Venezuela, Cuba or North Korea – and we agree and wish you would go there, sooner rather than later.

  • Liar.

    You said:

    Yes REQUIRING people to show patriotism is the American way.

    and

    Please re-read the last sentence in Dave’s post, that’s exactly what he wants.

    LIAR!

    Dave’s last sentence says:

    If they want to keep their audience, they will require players to show some respect during the national anthem.

    He did not demand a show of PATRIOTISM, just that the flag, the anthem and what they stand for get reasonable RESPECT.

    Apparently you don’t know the difference or, like most lunatic liberal moonbat morons, are just lying.

    And “Mas” already pointed this out to you as well:

    So “…show some respect…” now equals forced patriotism?

    We who consider ourselves to be libertarians or conservativs – or whatever – have a lot of trouble understanding how you get so many things so wrong.

    Would you please help us understand how “RESPECT” = “PATRIOTISM” to you and how you got this so wrong? We really, truly want to know how and why your minds are so wrong so often.

    Of course you have no interest in getting to the bottom of this, you don’t acknowledge the problem, despite how obvious it is, or you don’t care.

  • STRAW MAN ARGUMENT.

    The ONLY person who is talking about A policy that REQUIRES someone to demonstrate patriotism

    IS YOU!

    It is not unreasonable for us to expect and even demand that people show at least a minimum amount of RESPECT for the flag, the anthem and what they stand for to any true Americans.

    YOU are the only one talking about demanding that people show patriotism. We EXPECT people to show respect – or if they really hate America that much, to go where they will be truly happy – socialist paradises such as Venezuela, Cuba or North Korea, for example.

  • WRONG. It is not wrong or unlawful for an employer to expect employees to meet certain minimum standards of conduct/behavior. In fact it is pretty much universal – and the NFL has the power and the right to do the same.

    You are conflating what is not only reasonable, but is also pretty much universal, in the business world with government. We’re not asking that any government pass any law requiring “patriotic behavior” or “loyalty oaths”. We leave that to the Democrats, who are known to severely punish anyone, particularly any American-African, who dares step one foot off their plantation.

    Your whole argument here is nothing but a straw man. Claiming we’re saying things we never said that, as a matter of fact, go against what we believe, too. So basically you’re arguing with yourself, shooting down a false argument you made up by yourself. You and your ilk seem to do that a lot.

  • Requiring loyalty (respecting the flag by standing during the National Anthem)

    All nations expect people to show respect for their flags and national anthems. In America you can get away, to some degree, without doing so, but you may get some social blowback.

    I really would love it if you would go to North Korea and engage in some minor act of disrespect, publicly, to their flag and national anthem. Please. Do it soon.

    I say again. We EXPECT respect. You LIE and claim we DEMAND loyalty (you were saying patriotism) and neither is true – you made that up. We’re letting you run with this, take as much line as you like, the hook is set pretty deep.

  • You’re one to talk about “non-arguments”. Yours was a straw man and full of nothing but lies from the start.

  • No one is suggesting that people go to jail for kneeling.</b.

    Then why are you suggesting anyone is DEMANDING "loyalty" or "patriotism" when YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE MAKING THOSE SORTS OF ARGUMENTS.

    With the above admission, you defeated your own arguments – congratulations!

    None of that changes the un-American idea behind your entire point – that employers should be able to mandate or require ‘patriotic’ or ‘respectful’ behavior towards the flag.

    You’ve been corrected repeatedly on these points by multiple people and you still don’t get it – and we’re glad to prove, as long as it takes or until we think the point is made to the point of exhaustion, that:

    – It is not “un-American” to EXPECT people to RESPECT the flag and anthem – rather this is what pretty much every country in the world expects, and also most employers as well.

    – In fact YOU are the only one claiming anything “un-American” is going on. We just point out that it is pretty much globally universal to have certain standards of behavior, a point you still don’t seem to grasp.

    – It is not “our point”, it is YOUR STRAW MAN ARGUMENT, as we have pointed out repeatedly, yet you stubbornly continue to LIE and claim YOUR POINTS are OUR POINTS. Why do you do that?

    employers should be able to mandate or require ‘patriotic’ or ‘respectful’ behavior towards the flag. Here you move the goal posts once again. You started with “patriotic”, a term you brought into this that we never did. Then you changed it to “loyalty”, another term you brought into this. Now, finally, you conflate “patriotism” and “respect”. And again you lie, suggesting that it is wrong, unusual, un-American, for an employer to set and enforce certain standards of conduct/behavior. It is not only reasonable, it is pretty much UNIVERSAL all over the world for people and nations to expect others to respect their flag and anthem. This is a matter of courtesy and good behavior, not “loyalty”, not “patriotism”, simply good manners and common sense – two things you seem not to understand or demonstrate.

  • You may be patronizing him. But I didn’t see it that way – MNSHO was that we are trying to help him see how twisted his logic is and how disingenuous his arguments are.

    Of course we’re wasting our time and effort.

  • Normally one would just edit the comment and replace the bad link with the correct one. Of course however you choose to do it is your business.

  • Uncle_Pinko

    Man, you’ve wasted quite a few angry keystrokes over this, and in the end you’ve disproved your own point. Again, let me copy and paste what Dave wrote:

    “Let this be a lesson to other sports leagues. If they want to keep their audience, they will require players to show some respect during the national anthem.”

    So tell me again how I’M the one requiring something? Or did you miss my sarcasm in my original post?

  • Uncle_Pinko

    Jesus, man, I’m sorry I didn’t use a sarcasm tag in my original post when I said it’s the American way to REQUIRE people to show respect or patriotism. I would have saved you a lot of frothing rage.

    But how do you not see that Dave Blount is the one suggesting that players be REQUIRED to show respect. Read his post again, the last sentence…

  • I am actually part of a growing effort to try to give moonbats a chance to help us understand WHAT is wrong with their brains and HOW the brain damage came about. As a result I must interact with moonbats, even if they’re trolls, to gain information and insight.

  • Man, you’ve wasted quite a few angry keystrokes over this

    Another lie. If someone here is angry, it’s you. I’m actually trying to help you understand your mental illness and how it is perceived by sane people.

    And if interacting with you helps us understand what is wrong with the typical moonbat brain the time and effort will be more than worth it.

    in the end you’ve disproved your own point.

    No, I’ve already PROVEN that you made a straw man argument then tore it to shreds. Talk about wasting angry keystrokes…

    You then proceed to disprove YOUR OWN ARGUMENT – because you say we’re demanding that PATRIOTISM and LOYALTY be mandated, but we’re just pointing out we EXPECT that RESPECT be given, nothing more. There is a HUGE difference.

    You, and only you, claim we REQUIRE PATRIOTISM (your words, not ours). I’ve explained to you, as others have, in repeated posts, that is YOUR DEMAND, not ours. We EXPECT RESPECT. Not patriotism. Not loyalty. We don’t demand it, we expect it, and we expect employers to have reasonable rules of conduct and behavior, something that is sadly lacking in the National Felon’s League, not just with respect to the flag and the anthem, by the way.

    And what? Now you’re claiming you were being “sarcastic” in your “original post”?

    But apparently not the others, in which you doubled and quadrupled down on the same nonsense, which you now disavow by claiming it was actually just sarcasm?

    Nice try. A swing and a miss.

    But thanks for playing and do come again soon!

  • Uncle_Pinko

    Bro, if you can’t read the sarcasm in the original post at this point, I’m not sure I can help you, since you seem like the kind of guy who makes his mind up about something and then will … never … ever … concede … a … point … about …anything … no matter what facts are in front of you.

    Why won’t you take Dave Blount at his word when he says it’s best that sports leagues REQUIRE respect / patriotism. Why won’t you even acknowledge that he, in fact, wrote those words?

  • OK so once again you claim that, despite doubling and quadrupling down in your later posts, you were just being sarcastic in your first post.

    Then after making that obviously FALSE claim, you say:

    I’m sorry I didn’t use a sarcasm tag in my original post when I said it’s the American way to REQUIRE people to show respect or patriotism.

    LIAR, that is not what you originally said. You left out respect. Blount left out patriotism, which is what you said he was demanding. He didn’t demand, he said, and it is reasonable to say, that owners should REQUIRE certain standards of conduct/behavior, which is pretty much universal already.

    But how do you not see that Dave Blount is the one suggesting that players be REQUIRED to show respect.

    See how you changed your argument? Before you said Blount was DEMANDING that players be REQUIRED to show PATRIOTISM.

    Now you admit he was only SUGGESTING that players be REQUIRED to show RESPECT.

    You have now admitted you lied and are trying to cover it up by claiming it was just sarcasm.

    One lie begets another, endlessly. You really should consider just not telling the first lie in the first place next time.

  • Bro, if you can’t read the sarcasm in the original post at this point, I’m not sure I can help you, since you seem like the kind of guy who makes his mind up about something and then will … never … ever … concede … a … point … about …anything … no matter what facts are in front of you.

    You are insane.

    Even if we accept the obvious LIE that your original post was just sarcasm and not intended to be taken as written, you doubled and quadrupled down on the points you made, then you presented straw man, specious arguments, then you moved the goal posts, then you try to say I’m the one who won’t concede and the one that the facts are against?

    At least before lying like that you should have changed your original comments – and all subsequent – to support your current pack of lies… but don’t bother now. I’ve got screen shots so when you do I’m going to prove that, too.

    I will be glad to concede a point – if you actually present one that makes sense. So far you’ve only proven you’re a consummate liar who can’t admit when he made a mistake and probably won’t admit to:

    straw man arguments

    claiming we said things we never did

    claiming ‘respect’ is ‘patriotism’ and ‘loyalty’ when they aren’t and when YOU are the one who brought those concepts into this discussion to support your deliberately false original claim, which you even now try to disavow by claiming it was just sarcasm.

    Face it. You’ve been served and your pitiful attempts to avoid admitting it are only making you look even more pathetic.

  • Tell you what, I’m going to make this easy for both of us, since you are determined to just keep lying, obviously.

    Blocked.

  • I just blocked him… don’t know if the comment he’s typing will be allowed or not, but it doesn’t matter. He’s proven he’s just a liar, now claiming his original post was meant to be sarcastic and, despite all the effort he made to double and quadruple down on his ridiculous straw man, specious arguments, that he apparently didn’t really mean them at all. He’s moved the goal posts so many times he’s in some alternate universe at this point, so I just blocked him.

  • Uncle_Pinko

    People on the right wing claim to own patriotism, wouldn’t you agree?

    The entire kerfuffle with the NFL and the right wing is that you (meaning the right wing in general, and in this case specifically Dave Blount) think that the owners and Goddell have been p*ssies for not making their players stand, wouldn’t you agree?

    So, in this case, I come to this here site, obviously to post a counter argument. In this case, my argument is that it’s ironic that the right, who claims to own patriotism and what it means to be a true American – would require a show of respect for the flag. To me, that is un-american.

    Do you see the sarcasm now?

    If you can’t, I really go further. I don’t mind debating with opposing viewpoints, that’s why I’ve been here all day. But I can’t argue with the brick wall you’ve put up.

    The one nice thing I’ll say about you is that I love your avatar.

  • Occam’s Stubble

    The best way to watch. 🙂

  • Jester
  • Franklyfrank

    How about athletes & celebrities just shut the hell up about their politics?
    People don’t pay their hard earned scratch to listen to their bloviating sanctimony.

  • The Uhlan

    he’s a troll, but abusing trolls is educational for normal people.

  • MAS

    He starts to answer and then backs out before posting. I suspect the question either wasn’t on the talking points list or isn’t programmed into its algorithm…

  • Artfuldgr

    I wonder what this years price per second for Superbowl ad time is or will be?
    that’s where the rubber meets the road…

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, sorry ’bout that… progtard Business folk who think Leftism makes money are still stupid though.

  • OH agreed 100%. Every time they tell me how socialism is working somewhere it turns out it only works because capitalism is propping up a facade of socialism.

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