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Mar 31 2012

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  • GM Car of the Future

    Coincidentally, in the late 1960′s, it was Manson who wanted a race war in America and thought “Helter Skelter” was Beatles’ code for what was coming.

    :roll:

  • SeaFoamGreen

    No, Charles Manson is a white guy. They would continue to use the photo of him with the shaved head and swastika carved between his eyebrows.

  • Fiberal

    BTW here is the complete list of words to be banned by the NYC school system.

    The word “Dinosaur” is on this unexpurgated list.

    Be grateful that the NYC School System is looking out for you.

    Abuse (physical, sexual, emotional, or psychological)
    Alcohol (beer and liquor), tobacco, or drugs
    Birthday celebrations (and birthdays)
    Bodily functions
    Cancer (and other diseases)
    Catastrophes/disasters (tsunamis and hurricanes)
    Celebrities
    Children dealing with serious issues
    Cigarettes (and other smoking paraphernalia)
    Computers in the home (acceptable in a school or library setting)
    Crime
    Death and disease
    Divorce
    Dinosaurs
    Expensive gifts, vacations, and prizes
    Gambling involving money
    Halloween
    Homelessness
    Homes with swimming pools
    Hunting
    Junk food
    In-depth discussions of sports that require prior knowledge
    Loss of employment
    Nuclear weapons
    Occult topics (i.e. fortune-telling)
    Parapsychology
    Politics
    Pornography
    Poverty
    Rap Music
    Religion
    Religious holidays and festivals (including but not limited to Christmas, Yom Kippur, and Ramadan)
    Rock-and-Roll music
    Running away
    Sex
    Slavery
    Terrorism
    Television and video games (excessive use)
    Traumatic material (including material that may be particularly upsetting such as animal shelters)
    Vermin (rats and roaches)
    Violence
    War and bloodshed
    Weapons (guns, knives, etc.)
    Witchcraft, sorcery, etc.
    And
    Darwin
    genes
    Neanderthal
    Dumbass

    (I made those last ones up…but WTF)

  • Bo Jangles

    PALMDALE, Calif. 3/31/12 NY Post —
    Seven black teenagers who allegedly attacked a Latino boy in Palmdale, Calif., were arrested by police after footage of the attack was posted on YouTube, KTLA reported

    The teenagers are facing assault and hate crimes charges over the incident, which occurred about 4:00pm local time March 14 when the 15-year-old victim was approached by the group. The victim was challenged to a fight, investigators said.

    “The suspects surrounded the victim and began punching him while several other juveniles watched,” Deputy Robbie Royster from the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department was quoted as saying.

    The Latino teenager then fell to the ground and was punched and kicked in the head and face. He was later taken to the hospital suffering multiple head wounds.

    Police tracked down the alleged attackers afer a video of the assault was posted on YouTube. The video has since been removed from the video sharing site.

    The alleged attackers range in age from 13 to 16, police said…

  • AC
  • AC

    Millionaire Population Grows by 200,000

    The interesting part:

    “The report also broke down today’s millionaires by occupation and former occupation if retired. Managers make up the largest group, with 17%, followed by educators (12%), corporate executives (7%), entrepreneur/business owners (6%) and attorneys and accounts.”

  • AC
  • http://www.henrypbabcock.com Henry

    If the “Millionaire Population” is growing, doesn’t that mean that some of the 99% are becoming part of the 1%?

    Traitors! KILL THEM!!! /sarc

  • AC

    A young commie asks his political officer, “So what do we do after we liquidate the one percent?”

    The seasoned Marxist responds, “Oh, that’s easy – then we liquidate the one percent.”

  • AC

    Elderly man fatally shoots violent brick-wielding intruder. The homeowner won’t be charged, because Democrats have yet to follow through on using the martyrdom of Saint Skittles as a pretext for the abolition of self-defense.

  • Hail The Amberlamps!

    Sixty-five year old man, .38 caliber servicible weapon, shot placement, determination. Threat stopped.

    Textbook:

  • Hail The Amberlamps!

    Too bad Sharon Tate did not have a .38.

    Aim for the swastika.

  • Jim

    WTDY John Sly Sylvester Savagely Attacks WS Lt Gov Rebecca Kleefisch – With No Liberal Outrage

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_v8ZS3GOAc

  • http://screwypuppy.blogspot.com Screwy Puppy

    Ahhh yes. It is that time of year again.

    Sorry Mr. Blount that I did not alert you, but a post day post is fine. Earth Hour.

    This is George Carlin’s opinion from his own mouth.

    And of course, my discource. Can any of you help us leap off of this disaster?

  • Bob Roberts

    I agree with SeaFoamGreen. Since Manson is white the media would not come to his defense and try to make him look good. On the contrary – as a white male the media would try to make him out to be as purely evil as possible – although also in his case it wouldn’t be that hard.

  • Bob Roberts

    Of course lao would be quick to point out Manson’s supposed (yet actually nonexistent) Republican, conservative, Tea Party connections.

  • Bob Roberts

    AC says: March 31, 2012 at 9:09 pm
    ————
    Actually the homeowner won’t be charged because the dead intruder was white. I bet if he was black they would indeed be raising a fuss.

  • Joek Loth

    Screwy Puppy says:
    March 31, 2012 at 10:20 pm: “…what, are these people fucking kidding me?”???!!!
    Says it all. FUCK LIEberals.

  • AZRon

    Justice will never be served as long as people can vote for their own unearned sustenance over what’s good for the nation. (Remember the Republic, and the Constitution? , many don’t.)

    The problem was acerbated by LBJ, in difficult times, and we’ve been kissing butt and bowing to animals, foreign and domestic, ever since.

    Political correctness has ruined most of the civilized world. We, in the US, are simply at the tail end of the ruination process, but we are catching up quickly.

    If Obama manages to steal another election, there will be mass celebration with the usual fire-bombing, rioting, killing whitey, and calls for citizens to be patient.

    If Obama loses the election, there will be mass celebration, with the usual fire-bombing, rioting, killing whitey, and calls for white devils to be calm.

    Either way, a$$holes like Maxine, Jesse, AL, Louis, Barak, Schumer, Levin, and Pelosi come forward with doe-eyed denial. “I din do shit, RACIST mafuggas aint disresec me!”

  • Bob Roberts
  • Bob Roberts

    Oh here’s a very interesting story: Top Obama administration officials off on taxpayer funded junkets to Tokyo, Paris. It’s not just Michelle, BO and the kids who are bleeding us dry seeing the world.

    While many Americans were filling up their tanks with $4 gasoline this week, Energy Secretary Steven Chu was enjoying Major League Baseball’s opening game on a taxpayer-funded trip to Tokyo. Taxpayers were also footing the bill for Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Lisa Jackson to spend a few days in Paris.

    What are President Obama’s top two Cabinet-level energy advisers doing in Tokyo and Paris while the price of gas continues to climb?

    Pelosi On Obamacare: “We Wrote Our Bill In A Way That Was Constitutional” More and more when a Senator or Representative (with rare exceptions, because the conservatives/Republicans aren’t huge publicity hounds like the “liberals”/Democrats are) from California speaks, I cringe. They really make the rest of us look bad… no, strike that. What makes us look bad is WE ELECTED THEM. Well, not me. I NEVER voted for a SINGLE ONE OF THEM!

    Pelosi is not in my district and I never voted for Boxer or Feinstein. Maxine Waters – not in my district. And all the other lunatic liberals from California – not in my district.

    And… While President Obama was busy lambasting Big Oil tax breaks on Thursday, yet another one of his environmental welfare recipients (the very kind he wants to redistribute oil subsidies to) was teetering on the edge of bankruptcy. The Solyndra of the week is A123 Systems, an electric vehicle battery company based in Massachusetts. The firm also has battery plants in Michigan, where former Democratic Gov. Jennifer Granholm once heralded A123 as a federal stimulus “success story.” Former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi visited the company headquarters and hailed it as a “great example of how Recovery Act funding is helping American companies.” In addition to nearly $300 million in Obama Recovery Act funds, Granholm kicked in another $135 million in tax credits and subsidies to bribe the company to keep jobs in her state.

    I’m tempted to copy a lot more – go to the link and check it out. Talk about “the 1%”!

    WI federal court rules on Walker’s union law Now I haven’t read the whole law (said the DEMOCRAT DOMINATED CONGRESS about OBAMACARE just before passing it) but I get the gist of it, and it seems that the minor victories the courts handed to the law’s opponents probably were reasonable. Basically there were one or two places the law went too far. Not letting those who wish to pay their union dues by automatic payroll deduction do so? Yeah, that part had to go. I can see the court doing that. I’m a little less clear on the “recertification” issue – but from the way it was described, if that holds up as accurate, yeah, perhaps that was a bit of a reach, too.

    So all in all it appears the law came through except for relatively minor issues that, frankly, should not have been in there in the first place.

    Anyway there’s a link to the entire ruling at the link I gave, above.

    They won’t stop until they’ve destroyed America and everything it stands for. What is with this irrational hatred of capitalism? What bad thing has capitalism ever done to them? Oh, wait, I remember. It required them to be good citizens, responsible for themselves.

    GOOD LINKS @ REDSTATE!

    MEDIA SILENT AS LEFT VICIOUSLY ATTACKS WI LT. GOV. AND GOES ON TO ATTACK HER KIDS! This is what we see time and again at the hands of the same Left that manufactured a month’s long non-troversy over a word Rush Limbaugh spoke. While, on one hand, the left and their media allies feign outrage over Limbaugh, on the other hand, they either willfully ignore or launch vile, sexist attacks against conservative women that go well beyond anything that can in any way be called satire or humor.

    Wisconsin Lt. Governor Rebecca Kleefisch is a wife, mother, and a cancer survivor. She’s currently being targeted for recall and by some of the ugliest personal attacks you’ll hear — at least until the left launches the next one.

    AFL-CIO exec: ‘Conservative, right-wing policies’ to blame for Trayvon Martin’s death Yeah, I guess they’re talking about our defense of the 2nd Amendment and our love of “stand your ground” instead of “Kiss your A$$ Goodbye” laws.

    The shocking ignorance of Sonia Sotomayor and the other liberal USSC Justices. Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA) is a U.S. Act of Congress passed in 1986 as part of the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act (COBRA). It requires hospitals to provide care to anyone needing emergency healthcare treatment regardless of citizenship, legal status or ability to pay. There are no reimbursement provisions. Participating hospitals may only transfer or discharge patients needing emergency treatment under their own informed consent, after stabilization, or when their condition requires transfer to a hospital better equipped to administer the treatment.
    You can thank Republican President Ronald Reagan for that, for better or for worse. (I’m not sure I’d give Reagan full/sole credit. Try the Congress that passed the legislation, for example.)

    And more great links at RWN!

    Is it just me, or are Global-Warming cultists kind of scary? Yeah I’d go with scary – at least for starters.

    Bristol Palin writes an open letter to President Obama in the wake of his crying crocodile tears of sympathy for progressive women who get called mean names: “Mr. President, When Should I Expect Your Call?”

    RNC Strikes Back: Real #WarOnWomen waged by Obama admin (VIDEO)

    Nobel Prize Winner Backs Anti-Gay Laws The Nobel peace prize winner and president of Liberia, Ellen Johnson Sirleaf, has defended a law that criminalises homosexual acts, saying: “We like ourselves just the way we are.”

    In a joint interview with Tony Blair, who was left looking visibly uncomfortable by her remarks, Sirleaf told the Guardian: “We’ve got certain traditional values in our society that we would like to preserve.”

    Liberian legislation classes “voluntary sodomy” as a misdemeanour punishable by up to one year in prison, but two new bills have been proposed that would target homosexuality with much tougher sentences.

    6th Circuit Approves Cigarette Warning Labels and Suppression of Risk Information but Rejects Ad Limits I wonder if this one will get to the USSC?

  • AC

    Imagine that, the sheeple who go through life with a tank of fuel, at most, will be stung by sudden government fuel rationing.

    I guess it sucks to be them.

    Be prepared.

  • Sam Adams

    Fiberal says:
    March 31, 2012 at 8:04 pm

    BTW here is the complete list of words to be banned by the NYC school system.

    The word “Dinosaur” is on this unexpurgated list.

    Be grateful that the NYC School System is looking out for you.
    ____________________

    That isn’t a list of words, but a list of concepts or ideas. The omission of “dinosaur” etc. were not made as a sop to fundamentalist Christians, has was suggested, but instead because of Muslim sensibilities towards the whole “evolution” concept.

    This can be inferred by the inclusion of words such as:
    Slavery, and Terrorism. No one wants to discuss what group enslaved millions in Africa, nor who is perpetrating terrorism recently, or during the twentieth century (Islam and Marxism, respectively).

  • Sam Adams

    AC says:
    March 31, 2012 at 8:50 pm

    A young commie asks his political officer, “So what do we do after we liquidate the one percent?”

    The seasoned Marxist responds, “Oh, that’s easy – then we liquidate the one percent.”
    ______________

    And that is exactly what happened in the USSR. Kulaks were characterized as “rich” farmers and landowners. Eventually a Kulak was a person who had two coats instead of one.

    http://missionman.free.fr/uploaded_images/Berlin-720910.jpg
    This is the truth of Marxism; miles and miles of fence to keep people in. No one was ever shot trying to escape from West Germany into East Germany.

  • Hail The Amberlamps!

    Speaking of murdering terrorists…

    Left-Wing Terrorist Bill Ayers: “I Get Up Every Morning And Think … Today I’m Going To End Capitalism”….

    http://weaselzippers.us/2012/03/31/left-wing-terrorist-bill-ayers-i-get-up-every-morning-and-think-today-im-going-to-end-capitalism/

    DNC hero and political career foster parent.

  • Sam Adams

    They won’t stop until they’ve destroyed America and everything it stands for. What is with this irrational hatred of capitalism? What bad thing has capitalism ever done to them? Oh, wait, I remember. It required them to be good citizens, responsible for themselves.
    __________________

    It is natural that this Marxist gravitated towards academia. Academics are great at thinking great thoughs and pontification, but the old phrase “those who can’t do, teach” still holds true. The vast majority of those in the teaching profession, IMHO, simply can’t cut it in the world of business and commerce. Instead they love a job where the government supplies them a salary, coerced from taxpayers, with little to no competition and protected by a powerful union. And, not surprisingly, they get screwed by the school and district administrators. It is almost a perfect reflection of Marxism in miniature.

  • lao

    EDL summit in Denmark humiliated by low attendance

    Anti-fascist demonstrators outnumbered far-right supporters more than 20 to one in Denmark as an English Defence League-led attempt to form a pan-European movement was humiliated.

    Estimates suggested as few as 160 defence league members from several countries gathered at the inaugural far-right summit in Aarhus for the European counter-jihad meeting, devised to “send a clear message to the leaders of Europe” that Islamism would not be tolerated.

  • Lazlo

    The narcissistic personality disorder junior poster child arrives right on time. Lao is once more compelled to ignore the topic of a thread in an attempt to focus all attention on himself. Do not respond to him directly, he lives for that. Mock him in the third person and ignore all his inane attempts to derail the thread. The lack of attention will make his chair moist with rage pee.

  • lao

    LOL!!! lazy, what part of OPEN THREAD do you fail to comprehend?

  • Bob Roberts

    lao says: April 1, 2012 at 7:25 am
    ———————
    So you’re pointing out that groups none of us support or condone aren’t doing very well with their plans to make a big splash?

    Funny how you think that you’re going to bother us with posts like this. I was going to post pretty much the same thing you did, but I figured I’d posted enough for now so I didn’t. Their goal of counter-jihad is a good one. The problem is their other activities make them not the sort of people most of us would associate with. In fact, their extremist words and actions put them more in YOUR camp than ours.

  • Toa

    SeaFoam and Bob stole my thunder; they would stick to their narrative of bloviating about the “murderous monster”, while whining “Whyyyyyy did he do this” concerning non-white perpetrators.

    Found something interesting yesterday; I wonder if the cable TV networks will find as much time for this as they have for their endless Klan/White Supremacist “expose’s”.

    http://sites.google.com/site/newblackliberationinstitute/home

    Part of the “Civilian Security Force”??

  • Bob Roberts

    lao says: April 1, 2012 at 7:35 am
    ————–
    Yes, it is an OPEN THREAD but the overall topic of all threads here is pretty much anti-people like you, lao. The pain in the A$$ know it all type who are all about getting attention for themselves, even if it’s negative. Really, to tell the truth, no matter what the topic or even if it’s an open thread, your posts are really ALWAYS off topic.

    You see, once again you’re not only reaching, but you’re trying to compare us to these people. Oh sure, you’ll deny it. One of your usual, “Show me where I ever…” pitiful whines. And we will point out that you do such things with your every post here, pretty much. You always try to bring us down to your level and I suppose once in a great while you partly succeed.

  • Bob Roberts
  • Bob Roberts

    Toa says: April 1, 2012 at 8:17 am
    SeaFoam and Bob stole my thunder…
    ————-
    Not at all! There was plenty to add, and you did.

    Well said.

  • Bob Roberts

    SO now that we have lao’s attention:

    It’s shaping up to be a catastrophic year for lao, Obama and their ilk.

    March was simply disastrous. They tried to start a fake war on women and were revealed to be the ones who are really anti-woman. We’ve had several reminders, in fact, of how “leaders” (if by leaders, you mean those with the biggest mouths and egos) in their movements REALLY think of women, and how hypocritical the rest of them are, whenever Bill Maher says anything about women. Let Rush Limbaugh point out their promiscuity and they’re calling for his head. But when Bill Maher viciously and repeatedly attacks some woman in even more graphic and outright evil terms, they applaud and parrot what he says! Well the parroting is understandable. I mean, lao is a perfect example. As he is quick to point out to us, the only opinion he’s allowed to have or express is the one he’s assigned, so of course he’s not responsible – those who force-feed it to him are!

    In the past month we saw Obama’s re-election chances crater as he revealed, in front of an accidentally open mike, that if Russia will just be patient he will sell us down the river AFTER the election, AFTER the American people are stuck with him for another few years. I mean, the ARROGANCE, thinking he’s got this coming election in the bag when he’s really dangling by a thread and, if they’ve any sense at all, the Democrats are scrambling, behind the scenes, for a “white knight” (pardon the term, maybe I should have said “dark horse” but then lao would say I was racist) candidate to ride to the rescue and be nominated in his place at their convention. Seriously – if they have any sense at all that is what will happen.

    I mean, any story you look at you see disaster for Obama in November. The economy, the price of gas. His race-baiting attempts to start a race war to distract everyone from his dismal performance. His using the office to reward his cronies and donors with huge sums of cash, just before they go bankrupt. I mean, pick pretty much any topic and it would be directly or indirectly related to something that is bad about Obama.

    And what about obamacare? I can’t imagine, after the disaster for Democrats that was the three days of arguments on the case, that it could get any better than 5-4 against and I’m still holding out for the realistic chance it could go 6-3 or 7-2 even, though I’m really not expecting any of the four liberal justices to vote to do the right thing. Indeed, once they started prompting Obama’s completely inept team, even feeding them their arguments, doing so in a way that really suggests that they got together in one of those nearby hotels, to avoid leaving records of a visit to the White House, and had a strategy session with Obama’s team, well it shows you how low the left will go and how little regard they have for our processes and institutions.

    Seriously, lao, can you pick a topic that wasn’t a disaster for Obama recently? I can’t think of one off the top of my head. Has ANYTHING gone right for him lately?

  • Bob Roberts

    lao says: April 1, 2012 at 7:25 am
    ———–
    I’m still chuckling that this is the best lao can do to scratch his incessant itch to attack his betters – try to associate us with fringe radical groups in Europe that have NOTHING in common with us except they’ve actually hit on a real problem – the growing threat of islamo-fascism – and are banding against it.

  • gerry

    To Obama, all our allies are the closet and strongest; with a special allowance for the smaller ones, which are punchy…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TWR3gIyK-g

  • http://supportyourlocalgunfighter.com Wyatt Earp
  • Sam Adams

    Bob Roberts says:
    April 1, 2012 at 8:43 am

    I’m still chuckling that this is the best lao can do to scratch his incessant itch to attack his betters – try to associate us with fringe radical groups in Europe that have NOTHING in common with us except they’ve actually hit on a real problem – the growing threat of islamo-fascism – and are banding against it.
    ____________

    The funniest part of this is trying to call fascists a “far-right” group.

    From “The People’s Encyclopedia”
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan
    “The word Iran is the Persian word for land/place of the Aryans.”

    The National Socialists never were, and never will be, a “far-right” group.

  • http://genelalor.com berlet98

    “October Baby:” A Failed Abortion, A Wonderful Life

    Nothing disturbs liberals more than a perceived assault on their most cherished, radical feminist sacrament, abortion.

    They consider the right to murder a pre-born baby sacrosanct and inviolable and venomously attack any and all thinking to the contrary, especially when that thinking is incontrovertible.

    Thus, the liberal reaction to the movie “October Baby” was entirely predictable since the film undermines their most fundamental precept that a woman’s rights supersede a baby’s right to life.

    The reaction rivals the negative, leftist reception accorded the films, “Act of Valor” which, despite its violence, is an affirmation of American values and our armed forces, and ”The Passion of the Christ,” which aroused the passion of anti-Christians everywhere.

    Positive affirmations of virtually anything good tend to make libs queasy.

    Just released on 390 screens nationwide, “October Baby” is what Hollywood would call “a small film,” produced with minimal publicity and with major budgetary constraints.

    Filmed in four weeks not in Tinseltown but in Alabama and on the Gulf Coast, ”October Baby” nevertheless garnered eighth place and an estimated $1.7 million gross for its first weekend with a per-screen average of $4,352, finishing third behind ”Hunger Games,” which debuted on 4,137 screens.

    However, despite its outstanding early success at the box office, the story of “October Baby” is not about gross receipts and screens. It’s about life, understanding, and love.

    Loosely based on the actual experiences of anti-abortion activist, Gianna Jessen, who was born with cerebral palsy and whose life was subsequently defined by pain, doctors, and medications, the movie focuses on Jessen’s persona, Hannah Lawson, who mistakenly believes her ”entire life is a lie.” . . .
    (Read more at http://www.genelalor.com/blog1/?p=20181.)

  • lao

    bobby @8:15 am writes: I was going to post pretty much the same thing you did, but I figured I’d posted enough for now so I didn’t.

    THEN bobby posts @8:19 am / @8:20 am / @8:21 am / 8:41 am and 8:43 am, all but one of which is some kind of whine or response to me.

    THEN bobby sez: SO now that we have lao’s attention:

    Pardon me while I double over with laughter.

  • Bob Roberts

    lao says: April 1, 2012 at 5:08 pm
    ———-
    Of course lao takes my remarks completely out of context. On the NARROW TOPIC of the European matter I was going to post more or less what lao did, showing, as he inadvertently did, that there is no huge extremist right wing menace AS HE KEEPS INSINUATING nor are there really any real bright EXTREME right wingers. All the bright people, you see, are more moderate RIGHT WINGERS. Then there’s lao, desperate to try to turn things to his advantage because, as I’ve been pointing out, lao and his ilk have been having a terrible YEAR!

    And YOU accuse ME of whining?

    And, clearly, though he claims he “skips right by my rants” his own post proves that was a lie!

    So, lao, you just keep laughing and know that as you hear us laughing too, we’re not laughing with you, we’re laughing AT YOU.

  • lao

    Meanwhile, who was banded together against the fascists?

    Antifascists humiliate EDL’s cronies in Aarhus, Denmark

    I don’t know why the racists chose Aarhus in Denmark as the venue for their European-wide conference, but they did.

    Some of the most vile and racist organisations in Europe attended the gathering on Saturday 31 March 2012. They included delegations from Germany, Poland, France and of course the English Defence League.

    No sooner was the conference announced than Denmark’s antiracists organised a coalition to stop the event. It included trade unionists, students, social democrats and revolutionary socialists – people from different political currents came together over one issue: they weren’t going to allow Nazis to meet unopposed in their city.

  • Bob Roberts

    Sam Adams says: April 1, 2012 at 11:23 am
    ———-
    Of course lao and his ilk have fallen for the propaganda lie that fascists were right wingers.

    Tell that to the National Socialists, of the 1930s, in Germany.

    The thing lao keeps missing is that we are the ones fighting against the rise of authoritarian regimes such as the one he’s currently a cheerleader FOR.

  • Bob Roberts

    lao says: April 1, 2012 at 5:35 pm

    ————-
    So the lunatic left got one right.

    It’s about time.

    NEWSFLASH for lao: We are against ALL extremists, including the pitiful European fascists, who’s only correct choice seems to be they’re aware of and against the ongoing European moslem jihad.

  • Bob Roberts

    Hey lao, you said:

    lao says: April 1, 2012 at 5:35 pm

    (partial quote, see above for context):

    trade unionists, students, social democrats and revolutionary socialists – people from different political currents came together over one issue: they weren’t going to allow Nazis to meet unopposed in their city.

    ————-
    Have you ever bothered to look up “NAZI”?

    You know they’re SOCIALISTS, don’t you?

  • Bath House Barry

    lao says: April 1, 2012 at 5:35 pm- “…trade unionists, students, social democrats and revolutionary socialists – people from different political currents…”

    Hahaha. “Different political currents”… If there’s one thing I dig more than your sweet, supple rump, it’s your dry wit, dog. Yo.

  • lao

    bobby @8:15 am The problem is their other activities make them not the sort of people most of us would associate with. In fact, their extremist words and actions put them more in YOUR camp than ours.

    bobby @8:43 am …try to associate us with fringe radical groups in Europe that have NOTHING in common with us except they’ve actually hit on a real problem – the growing threat of islamo-fascism – and are banding against it.

    bobby @5:26 nor are there really any real bright EXTREME right wingers. All the bright people, you see, are more moderate RIGHT WINGERS.

    bobby @5:41 The thing lao keeps missing is that we are the ones fighting against the rise of authoritarian regimes ….

    bobby @5:42 So the lunatic left got one right.

    and…

    We are against ALL extremists, including the pitiful European fascists, who’s only correct choice seems to be they’re aware of and against the ongoing European moslem jihad.

    Let’s attempt to follow bobby “logic”.

    Nazis are on the left.

    BUT, we conservatives agree that their campaign against islamo-fascism is a good thing.

    BUT, the lunatic left was correct to oppose these nazis, who are also on the left.

    It appears, therefore, on this issue, that conservatives agree with the lunatic left.

    Except that conservatives agree with what the nazis stand for in opposing Islamo-fascism.

    Care to run that all by me again bobby?

  • Lazlo

    Once again NPD junior poster boy Lao gets his unwitting dupes to thrust him into the forefront on the discussion and thereby neglect the issues at hand. I somewhat suspect Bob and Lao are one and the same. Certainly would explain a lot.

  • lao

    LOL!!!!! Feel free to comment on whatever “issues at hand” you want lazy.

  • Sam Adams

    No sooner was the conference announced than Denmark’s antiracists organised a coalition to stop the event. It included trade unionists, students, social democrats and revolutionary socialists – people from different political currents came together over one issue: they weren’t going to allow Nazis to meet unopposed in their city.
    _______________

    You might remember that the international socialists fought bitterly against the national socialists roughly 60 years ago, and it wasn’t because of the National Socialist’s racism, either. (Interestingly enough, the US teamed up with the international socialists for the event, only to have a cold war with those same international socialists for the next 40+ years….truth is stranger than fiction). And now, today, we have international socialists who have wormed they way all through academia and the political structure, intent on destroying capitalism, just as they were intent on destroying capitalism since 1917. And for what it is worth, that funny guy with the mustache (the national socialist) was equally opposed to capitalism, although he wanted the government to simply control companies and their profits rather than the government operating companies directly).

  • Sam Adams

    although he wanted the government to simply control companies and their profits rather than the government operating companies directly)….you know, kind of like a certain politician who took over the auto industry and the banking industry, and the health care industry, and the student loan industry, and believes in using regulation to eliminate coal fired power plants…..you know…that guy.

  • http://www.henrypbabcock.com Henry

    “It included trade unionists, students, social democrats and revolutionary socialists – people from different political currents came together over one issue…”

    BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

    “…they weren’t going to allow Nazis to meet unopposed in their city.”

    I see: Trade unionists, students, social democrats and revolutionary socialists – people from IDENTICAL political currents – are opposed to free speech and free association.

    Got it.

  • Bob Roberts

    lao says: April 1, 2012 at 6:03 pm
    ——————
    Wow, for ONCE lao actually comprehended something, maybe.

    We will recap, since he seems to have suffered some confusion at the end but at least he got the first point somewhat right:

    1) Nazis are an extreme leftist group who originally called themselves NATIONAL SOCIALISTS – or, in German, Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (NSDAP) or, in English, NAZI.

    Here at the second point lao wandered a bit, perhaps I led him astray inadvertently:

    2) The far left wing does have factions who are correct to recognize and oppose islamo-fascism – if only because one group of fascists needs to extinguish all others if they are to gain control. But yes, in that they recognize and oppose islamo-fascists, in that one narrow way they do resemble conservatives.

    Now watch lao will wet his panties and take that out of context, something like this:

    “Bob says… fascists resemble conservatives” or maybe “Bob says… conservatives resemble fascists” even though I SAID NOTHING OF THE SORT. I said that both groups recognize and oppose islamo-fascism. In that narrow way they happen to both be right.

    So yes, it is reasonable to draw THIS conclusion:

    3) It appears, therefore, on this issue, that conservatives agree with the lunatic left.

    Yes, on this narrow issue, that islamo-fascism is a dangerous development and must be opposed, these lunatic leftists have actually reached a correct conclusion. Now I’m not saying I condone HOW they would deal with it, just that they RECOGNIZE AND OPPOSE islamo-fascism. Of course THAT distinction is too hard for lao to get – he’s busy crapping his panties because he thinks I slipped up and equated conservatives with lunatic leftists.

    4) Except that conservatives agree with what the nazis stand for in opposing Islamo-fascism.

    I’m not sure how long or why he’s going to keep repeating himself… somebody please smack him & stop him from skipping?

    Well that’s the way lao put it. I’ve said it several times now and I’ll say it once more: Both conservatives and the ultra leftist groups (i.e. NAZIs) that were gathering in Europoe do recognize the existence and threat of islamo-fascism. Why is it lao either hasn’t got that yet or seems like it’s some big huge victory for him personally?

    What about that do you not understand, lao? How many posts do we have to make before you get it?

  • Bob Roberts

    Lazlo says: April 1, 2012 at 7:07 pm

    ————–
    Guess again.

    But yeah, I’ve noticed that lao does seem intent on distracting us from real issues. The European Nazi conclave will blow over quickly and he’ll be back to desperately seeking some American conservative who makes some minor mistake, or who doesn’t but is accused of one.

    If you really think I’m lao, check out several threads and see if I sound at all like him. I think you’ll find I do not.

  • Bob Roberts

    Henry says: April 1, 2012 at 9:02 pm
    ———-
    Excellent observation.

  • Bob Roberts

    OK unless lao finds it necessary to twist my words once again into things I NEVER SAID, HE DID, I’m going forward to the next open thread. I may check back and, if I do, he will probably raise a fuss that I went to a thread that “scrolled off” but he can prevent that by not digging himself in any deeper here. Hopefully he’ll take that advice but we shall see!

  • lao

    Let’s clearly define some terms because you seem to mix these up.

    I used “nazis and fascists” to describe Some of the most vile and racist organisations in Europe attended the gathering on Saturday 31 March 2012. They included delegations from Germany, Poland, France and of course the English Defence League.

    I used your own term lunatic left as you used it @5:42, to describe the trade unionists, students, social democrats and revolutionary socialists – people from different political currents came together over one issue…” that is, to oppose the “nazis and fascists”.

    With that distinction made, perhaps you could revisit your @9:07 remarks re where conservatives stand.

  • Sam Adams

    lao says:
    April 1, 2012 at 10:23 pm

    Let’s clearly define some terms because you seem to mix these up.
    ________

    nazis and fascists
    ________

    A nazi is a national socialist.
    A fascist is a person who believes in government control of industry, as opposed to the government directly owning and running industry.

    Racism may or may not be involved, but is useful for providing a story to justify the National Socialism.
    ___________

    trade unionists, students, social democrats and revolutionary socialists
    ___________

    Trade unionists? A collective group of workers; simply socialism.
    Students? These folks have been steeped in Marxism, taught in public schools and universities for years. They aren’t bright enough and experienced enough to know that they have wasted their time and money.
    Social Democrats: A group supporting a social welfare state.
    Revolutionary Socialists: Let’s call these folks simply communists.

    Where are the different political currents?

  • Bob Roberts

    lao says: April 1, 2012 at 10:23 pm

    After all the times I told you, you still need clarification? How about you go back and read what I wrote.

    Or here’s a great idea: Why don’t YOU clarify YOUR positions and then we’ll see what’s what.

    Can’t express an opinion that’s not spoon fed to you?

    Didn’t think so!

    But then again, as I’ve been pointing out in several scathing posts, you’re having a really bad month so I can see why you miss such an obvious point.

    Henry said it as good or likely better than I ever could:

    Henry says: April 1, 2012 at 9:02 pm

    [NAZIS and] Trade unionists, students, social democrats and revolutionary socialists – people from IDENTICAL political currents – are opposed to free speech and free association.

    ————-
    I already clarified it for you, but I’m used to having to spoon feed you and I’ve had such a great month I don’t mind doing it here:

    The Nazis, the “trade unionists, students, social democrats and revolutionary socialists” are, as Henry stated, merely small graduations apart on the far left spectrum. Now with respect to their general inability to understand or discuss concepts that go against what they’ve been spoon fed, a weakness you consistently demonstrate you share along with a determination to suppress any thought or word counter to their own dogma, again a trait you consistently demonstrate you share, it is really only a very tiny gap that stands between the Nazis and those who gathered to oppose them.

    Basically, those groups you named only had their knee jerk reaction against the NAZIs for two reasons I can see:

    1) They know how effectively the NAZIs manipulated them in the past.

    2) They are fighting with the same tactics so they know they need to nip this NAZI nonsense in the bud before they ruin it for everyone.

    This is perhaps one narrow point of agreement between most of us here, those groups you mentioned and even you, lao. NAZIs are vile, disgusting people. They are the end result of socialist thinking, the inevitable result of those who set out to discard logic and turn to emotion laden lies and propaganda, tactics the left employs almost automatically.

    Oh, I went a little too far there. I guess I should have stopped before I hit the bolded part! I doubt you will agree with that, no matter that it’s true! Still, the first bit seems to match what you’re saying – as usual without actually having the courage to come out and say it.

    Now don’t bother responding here. Let this thread die. If you MUST continue this discussion, carry it forward to a newer open thread.

  • Bob Roberts

    lao says: April 1, 2012 at 10:23 pm

    people from different political currents came together over one issue…” that is, to oppose the “nazis and fascists”.

    —————–

    Silly, silly lao. He seems to deliberately misunderstand my giving the NAZIs credit for getting ONE NARROW THING right and he attempts to twist it into suggesting I support NAZIs.

    As usual, I NEVER SAID THAT. Nor am I saying conservatives support, or fail to oppose, NAZIs.

    This is what is wrong with lunatic liberals like lao.

    Even a stopped clock is right at least once (if it’s a 24 hour clock) or twice (if a 12 hour clock) a day.

    Admitting the NAZIs have correctly identified the danger of islamo-fascism – lao falsely (and likely deliberately so) represents this as me throwing support to them and, by extension, me suggesting conservatives support them.

    You know better lao.

    I never said that, but you sure are doing your best to falsely imply it!

    Don’t you ever get tired of making a fool of yourself?

  • lao

    bobby boldly goes: Now don’t bother responding here. Let this thread die. If you MUST continue this discussion, carry it forward to a newer open thread.

    THEN, adds another post. Too funny.

    So sorry, but until this thread ACTUALLY scrolls away, I’ll respond here. Why? Because then people can easily see the nonsense you have already written on the subject.

    Just curious, is stormfront on the right or the left?

    As always, it’s pretty interesting that the only group who thinks nazis and fascists are on the left is American conservatives. Note how the European press refers to the EDL as “far right”.

    That being the case, the much larger counter-demonstration from groups that I acknowledge are on the left, makes perfect sense.

    Flipping bobby’s little scenario around, can you cite a demonstration in the U.S. that saw a fringe far right group vastly outnumbered by counter-demonstrators from the tea party?

  • Bob Roberts

    lao says: April 2, 2012 at 6:48 am
    THEN, adds another post.

    ——————-
    You’re so predictable. I figured that would do it, and it did.

    Dance, lao, dance!

    Then lao comes up with this:

    ” it’s pretty interesting that the only group who thinks nazis and fascists are on the left is American conservatives.”

    Oh, so even LIEberal sources such as WIKIPEDIA don’t admit that NAZI is the Americanized version (National Socialist German Workers’ Party of the German name, Nationalsozialismus? Is that what you’re claiming, lao?

    I don’t care if EVERYONE says the NAZIs are right wing. They were SOCIALISTS! EVERYONE knows that so ANYONE who does not admit they were leftists is LYING, particularly you.

    Not that we expect anything different from you. Why would you change now?

    The Tea Party isn’t in the business of worrying about the idiots (like you) when you go out and hold your “I’m so mad I made this sign” protests. They’re actually working to elect officials and change laws. It’s nice that a bunch of liberal leftist welfare bums got together and protested the extreme leftists – but by your own account, why bother? There were so few of them that the only thing the leftists did by showing up was make it into a bigger deal, give them more publicity, perhaps bring them to the attention of another 5 people who would join them.

    I think the Tea Party is smarter than that, which is why they don’t generally try to interfere with others when those others exercise their right to speak or assemble freely. Unlike you leftists, we understand that, even if we don’t like them or what they say, they still have a right to get together and say it.

    So yeah, lao, that’s why you won’t GENERALLY see the Tea Party trying to suppress free speech and assembly. Unlike you pathetic lefty losers, we understand those rights are UNIVERSAL and we have no right to try and prevent others from getting together and having their say.

    You can keep whining to yourself here. I doubt anyone else is still coming to this thread – there is a newer OPEN THREAD as you know. I may check back, I may not. It may happen after it “scrolls away”, so try not to whine too pitifully if I have something to add at that time.

    “Bobby’s little scenario”. It’s not my “scenario”. It’s FACT!

    A bunch of pathetic uber-leftists got together for their hate fest and a bunch of other pathetic leftists got together and expressed THEIR HATE for the first ones.

    Big whoop!

  • Bob Roberts

    I just can’t resist. According to lao, socialists are right wingers.

    TOO FUNNY!

  • lao

    Poor, poor bobby.

    The counter demonstrators were trade unionists, students, social democrats and revolutionary socialists

    @6:48 am I wrote: That being the case, the much larger counter-demonstration from groups that I acknowledge are on the left, makes perfect sense.

  • Bob Roberts

    lao says: April 2, 2012 at 11:55 am
    ———–
    I’d say, “Now you’ve completely stopped making sense”, but the fact is you never made any sense in the first place!

    So now are you denying your former position, your claims that NAZIs are “right” wingers? You’re admitting they’re socialists, they’re leftists?

    Try to not be so confused lao.

  • Bob Roberts

    Oh, maybe you’re still ignoring the fact NAZI is the Americanized version (National Socialist German Workers’ Party) of the German name Nationalsozialismus.

    So since you’re ignoring those FACTS you falsely conclude, as you allege most others do, that NAZIs are on the right.

    NEWSFLASH FOR LAO:

    SOCIALISTS and TRADE UNIONISTS (i.e. “workers” like the NAZIs, the National Socialist German Workers’ Party, the Nationalsozialismus, are LEFTISTS, as you admit you acknowledge. Just not when you Americanize it and shorten it to an acronym, apparently.

  • lao

    Note how the European press refers to the EDL as “far right”.

  • Bob Roberts

    Notice how leftist lao just can’t accept that NAZIs are Socialists and that he admits, freely, that socialists are leftist?

    But don’t take MY word for it. Here is HIS:

    The counter demonstrators were trade unionists, students, social democrats and revolutionary socialists

    @6:48 am I wrote: That being the case, the much larger counter-demonstration from groups that I acknowledge are on the left, makes perfect sense.

    He wrote this @ 11:55. I suppose there’s a good explanation for him quoting biased sources that falsely accuse SOCIALISTS of being RIGHT WING – he probably either just took his meds or they wore off.

  • Bob Roberts

    Hey lao, are you saying that the left doesn’t recognize or have any concern about islamo-fascism? Are you suggesting the left SUPPORTS islamo-fascism? I mean, were I you, that’s what I’d be saying right now, based on your posts.

  • Bob Roberts

    HOMEWORK ASSIGNMENT FOR LAO: Find me a source, any CREDIBLE source, that claims that socialists are right wing.

  • Bob Roberts

    NOTE TO LAO: The European press also routinely claims humans have usurped forces of nature that are orders of magnitude more powerful than we are and, as a result, we now control weather, temperature and climate.

    But if that’s so, why are there still droughts, floods, heat waves, blizzards and severe cold snaps?

    I figure we would have done away with those if we REALLY had ANY significant way of influencing weather, temperature and climate.

  • Bob Roberts

    I thought this was appropriate to double post here, given lao’s inability to undertand that a socialist is still a socialist even if we call them a NAZI.

    Bob Roberts says: April 2, 2012 at 1:52 pm
    DUBIOUS DONATIONS – via POWERLINE.

    Credit card donations to the Obama election campaign do not require the credit card security code [i.e., the CVV code]. What they have done is disable the Address Verification System (AVS) which prevents credit card fraud. Yesterday, just to see what would happen, I submitted a donation and filled out the form as follows:

    Name – Adolph Hitler
    Address – 123 Nuremburg Way, Berlin, Germany
    Occupation – Dictator
    Employer – Nazi Party

    After submitting, I received an email that began, “Dear Adolph, thank you for your generous donation….”

    I then went to the Romney and Santorum websites and tried the same thing. Both rejected the donations with a message that the address could not be verified as belonging to the card holder.

    Apparently, Obama is accepting donations from ADOLPH HITLER, then thanking him for making them, Romney and Santorum are not.

  • lao

    Since you already cited Wikipedia:

    Parties in various contexts have referred to themselves as National Socialist parties. Because there is no clear definition of national socialism, the term has been used to mean very different things. Since the rise of German Nazism, which called itself “National Socialism”, the term has been used in Europe and North America almost exclusively by political parties with combined authoritarian, racial and nationalist views.

    However, in other parts of the world, which had little contact with German Nazism, the term “National Socialism” is sometimes used by parties that define themselves as socialist and patriotic, without being racist. In addition, the term was also used by non-racist groups in Europe before the rise of Nazism.

  • Bob Roberts

    LOL I cited “Wikipedia” because that’s one of YOUR unreliable sources and I was pointing out how even YOUR sources admit they’re SOCIALISTS. Of course they’re going to apologize for this particular brand of SOCIALISM. I got news for you. Leftists tend to be authoritarian and they’re even often racist and nationalistic.

    Or are you trying to tell us Chavez is RIGHT WING?

    To quote YOU:

    BAWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

  • Bob Roberts

    I wonder if the view from lao’s mom’s basement is anywhere near as nice as my beach view from my deck?

    I can see how spending so much time underground in the dark would twist someone the way it obviously did lao.

  • Bob Roberts

    And, actually, I didn’t “cite” WIKIPEDIA, I said:

    Oh, so even LIEberal sources such as WIKIPEDIA don’t admit that NAZI is the Americanized version (National Socialist German Workers’ Party of the German name, Nationalsozialismus? Is that what you’re claiming, lao?

    And note I referred to it as a LIEberal source. So you still haven’t produced a CREDIBLE source that says socialists are “right wing”.

    I’ve already been through this with you – why am I surprised you didn’t get it any of the other times? Truth is I’M NOT SURPRISED. You won’t get it this time, either.

    Here are various definitions of “socialism”:

    DICTIONARY.REFERENCE.COM:
    a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
    (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.

    MERRIAM-WEBSTER:
    any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods.

    BRITANNICA:
    A system of society or group living in which there is no private property. In advanced liberal democracies, perhaps more than anything else the right has been defined in opposition to socialism.

    NEW WORLD ENCYCLOPEDIA:
    Socialism refers to a broad array of doctrines or political movements that envisage a socio-economic system in which the ownership of industry and the distribution of wealth are determined by the state or by agents of the state or the collective. In its most general sense, socialism seeks the co-prosperity and common cause of all people.

    You know, I’m checking EVERY source that we should be able to agree are reasonable and credible. Every one suggests that socialism is THE OPPOSITE of just about everything the right stands for today. Oh, sure, you might find some very extreme “right wingers” who are confused and don’t themselves know what the right wing actually stands for, but they’re the exception, not the rule.

    But wait, there’s MORE!

    Socialism—defined as a centrally planned economy in which the government controls all means of production—was the tragic failure of the twentieth century. Born of a commitment to remedy the imaginary economic and moral defects of capitalism, it has far surpassed capitalism in both economic malfunction and moral cruelty. Yet the idea of socialism as a workable system lingers on. Whether socialism in some form will eventually return as a major organizing force in human affairs is unknown, but no one can accurately appraise its prospects who has not taken into account the dramatic story of its rise and fall. The identification of Nazi Germany as a socialist state was one of the many great contributions of Ludwig von Mises…
    The basis of the claim that Nazi Germany was capitalist was the fact that most industries in Nazi Germany appeared to be left in private hands.
    What Mises identified was that private ownership of the means of production existed in name only under the Nazis and that the actual substance of ownership of the means of production resided in the German government. For it was the German government and not the nominal private owners that exercised all of the substantive powers of ownership. The government, not the nominal private owners, decided what was to be produced, in what quantity, by what methods, and to whom it was to be distributed, as well as what prices would be charged and what wages would be paid, and what dividends or other income the nominal private owners would be permitted to receive. The position of the alleged private owners, Mises showed, was reduced essentially to that of government pensioners.

    De facto government ownership of the means of production, as Mises termed it, was logically implied by such fundamental collectivist principles embraced by the Nazis as that the common good comes before the private good and the individual exists as a means to the ends of the State. If the individual is a means to the ends of the State, so too, of course, is his property. Just as he is owned by the State, his property is also owned by the State.

    Wow, lao, Obama and their ilk are closet NAZIs! Who new?

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