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Nov 11 2012

Almost There

If you think the threat ended with the inevitable collapse of the Soviet Union, you haven’t read the communist goals entered into the Congressional Record in 1963. We may not be waging a cold war against communists, but they are sure waging one against us — and they are winning:

The final conflict between liberty and collectivism won’t be fought with tanks or ICBMs. It will be fought by insidious slime using television to brainwash fools into voting for their own demise.

On a tip from glenwood183.

25 Responses to “Almost There”

  1. Charlie R. says:

    “We cannot expect Americans to jump from capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving Americans small doses of socialism until they suddenly awake to find they have Communism.”

    – Soviet Leader Nikita Khrushchev, 1959

    “The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of ‘liberalism’ they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.”

    – Norman Thomas, U.S. Presidential candidate for the Socialist Party of America, 1948

  2. Rodri says:

    Both of those quotes are false. Look them up !

  3. keyplate says:

    False or not they certainly are true

  4. Bo-Jangles says:

    Nikita Khrushchev (1894–1971), Soviet premier, made the remark, “we will bury you” on Nov. 18, 1956, to Western diplomats at the Kremlin in Moscow. quoted in Times (London, Nov. 19, 1956)…

    Khrushchev later explained this remark as an idiomatic expression to mean “we will outlive you” (i.e. communism will triumph). On another occasion, Aug. 24, 1963, addressing a group of Westerners in Split, Yugoslavia, he referred to his controversial statement: “Of course we will not bury you with a shovel. Your own working class will bury you.

    Also in 1956, while addressing the general assembly at the UN, and while looking directly at US ambassador Adle Stevenson, he said “we will take your country without firing a shot“.

    He was obviously a lot smarter than we were, or are.


  5. Teacheru says:

    A more extensive picture of how Communism has infiltrated the American society can be seen if you watch the movie AGENDA: Grinding America down. The full movie can be watched here: Very disturbing.

  6. RKae says:

    Well, folks, everything listed in that video is completely legal.

    It’s legal to be a communist. It’s legal to get a job as a teacher. Sure, there was a time when being a communist meant facing a committee and being punished, but that soon ended and the people trying to stop the spread of communism were told they “have no decency!”

    So here we are: commie teachers, filmmakers, and kids who were raised in good Christian households are now shouting at their parents that “the Bible is bullsh*t,” because their pop stars inform them that rampant sex and homosexuality are “awesome!”

    Not only am I asking “What should we do?” I’m asking “What SHOULD WE HAVE DONE?”

    They created Sandra Fluck, and they did it all within legal means. In the few instances where their plan wasn’t legal, they convinced Americans to knock down “old fuddy-duddy laws.”

    So I’m giving you a time machine. What the hell would you have done differently?

  7. IslandLifer says:

    Rodri you are so full of shit you’re breath smells of it. Or maybe you’ve been in the litter box again. BAD DOG!!!

  8. Promote The BIG LIE: Diversity is our Strength! And call anyone not in agreement or asking for empirical evidence… A RACIST.

    In 1965, thanks to the actions of LBJ, and friends, the ‘Browning of America’ began. And with it, the leftists most solid voting block is now solidified. See the ‘Browning of California’ for a sneak preview.

  9. IslandLifer says:

    I’ve posted it before..

  10. Sweep the leg says:

    HANOI JOHN KERRY says: November 11, 2012 at 5:08 pm

    “…Promote The BIG LIE: Diversity is our Strength! And call anyone not in agreement or asking for empirical evidence… A RACIST…”

    There’s a guy here who fancies himself an “alpha male”. You may want to steer clear of him.

    He is ALL IN on the diversity/strength thing, and will happily explain why: they are not ALL (fill in the blank). He will then call you a racist.

    Ok, and maybe a skinhead, white supremacist, son of Hitler….

    you get the drift…

  11. bob says:

    Communism doesn’t die, it just finds new host organisms.

  12. St. Gilbert says:

    @RKae — Re: Time Machine.

    We will have to go back to the Founding. It’s kinda dangerous to state these things plainly on MB, but America’s present state of near collapse is merely a playing out, a transcription, of our genetics. It was in our DNA from the get-go. Their existed from the start a fundamental flaw that has slowly but inevitably resulted in our fall into secularism, relativism and now a building atheism among the ruling elite. Europe is ahead of us for the same reasons. I will leave it up to others to fill in the details, but we are here for perfectly explainable reasons, none of which are the fault of patriotic God-fearing Americans wishing to recover the greatness of the American experiment. It all centers on Liberalism, how it is defined, where it originates, and how it plays out. I’ve mentioned some of these things here before, and they were not well received.

    Nonetheless, the facts remain true. Our founders and the ruling elite of the 18th century were largely deists. Their deism led incrementally to naturalism, scientism, secularism and finally atheism. Yesterday’s deists are today’s atheists. Atheism, as seen in 20th century governments, leads to despotism and totalitarianism. Now, something preceded deism, and something preceded that. Walk it back in your time machine, and we can begin to see the origin of it all. “What the hell would you have done differently?” Well, you’re on to something there in that question. Yes, everything in the video is legal, but it is all centered on lies and deception. None of it is directed toward truth. Unfortunately, our Founding left open the door for such deception. Recover truth, and you will recover real liberty.

  13. Ghost of FA Hayek says:

    Sweep the leg says:
    November 11, 2012 at 5:40 pm
    There’s a guy here who fancies himself an “alpha male”. You may want to steer clear of him.
    There is also a guy named Ghost who refuses to pull his weight and help “us” stoke the kilns to feed “them” in.

    He has been “blackballed” as well.

  14. RKae says:

    St. Gilbert:

    When I directed “Hamlet,” I discovered that it’s far from perfect. All that “greatest thing in the English language” crap that I’d heard (and believed) came a-tumbling down when I delved into the script and found a seemingly endless stream of mistakes in a piss-poor plot, and needed to ask myself how I’d work around them.

    I suddenly knew what a naked emperor looks like.

    Likewise, as I watch this country turn into a high-tech Sodom, I am forced to admit that there are holes in the Constitution.

    What would I do differently? The Bill of Rights needs to be in one column with another column beside it: The Bill of Responsibilities. “Every citizen must raise and care for every child he or she is a party to CONCIEVING.” “Every citizen is responsible for his or her own health and education.” Etc.

    Maybe that sort of thing would have protected us against creeping collectivism. The problem is: our Founders believed those things and never bothered to put them down in ink. They hadn’t the imagination to picture an America full of weak-willed babies looking for a teat.

    I agree wholeheartedly with your take on deism. It’s a wink and a drink away from paganism, which (no matter WHAT your fashionably neo-pagan buddies will tell you) means “I get to do whatever I want as long as I don’t hurt anybody. …Now all I need to do is create my own definition of what ‘hurting somebody’ means.”

    Abortion hurts somebody. Leaving debt hurts somebody. Pornography hurts somebody. Drug use hurts somebody. Pagans don’t want to think about these things.

  15. Howard says:

    “We may not be waging a cold war against communists, but they are sure waging one against us — and they are winning”

    Every time I think you can’t get more whacko, you prove me wrong. This site has become solidly tin foil helmet territory.

    And didn’t y’all say all of this shit about Clinton? Doesn’t being wrong over and over teach you guys anything?

  16. Howard says:

    Now all I need to do is create my own definition of what ‘hurting somebody’ means.”

    Well, yeah. Freedom is a little unsettling, isn’t it? It’s supposed to be.That question is impossible to answer definitively, but is at the heart of what it means to be a free society. Some of the things you mention can hurt people, and when they do society should have recourse. The only way around the question altogether is to get rid of freedom altogether adn go by the Bible or some such. I won’t have it – I think it’s just a book. YOu may live by it if you wish, but leave me alone.

  17. IslandLifer says:

    Howard the duck quacks again. “Quack!”

  18. RKae says:

    No, Howard, a free society is NOT a free-for-all. You sound like a libertarian with a line like “Freedom is unsettling.” It’s that old snobby libertarian trick of “I’m mature and you’re not.” And it’s tiresome.

    Have people ever been free according to you? America’s always had laws against things like obscenity – and many other laws you’d call “nanny state” laws. So if it’s never been a truly free place, why would you want to preserve it?

    Libertarians think everything is self-correcting. They like to oversimplify everything. They think if you just let people run loose, and they make bad decisions, then that’s they’re own problem.

    The thing is: when they wreck their lives they DON’T say, “Oh, this is my fault; I’d better get on the right track.” Nope. They blame others and band together with all the other angry losers and your “freedom paradise” collapses.

    It may feel cool to believe in “sink or swim.” But people don’t sink. They don’t vanish after they ruin their lives. They keep right on existing in huge angry hordes, and they take over.

    You can shout “freedom, freedom” all you want, but the word we should be after is Civilization. And that’s a balance between freedom and order. Too much of one and you’re Sodom, too much of the other and you’re East Germany. Balance them out and your society has a chance.

  19. St. Gilbert says:

    RKae —

    I think the reason the American Revolution succeeded (at least in creating new idea of liberty), the reason any revolution succeeds, is that it was a RETURN to something known at a basic level to all self-aware human beings (as opposed to a leap to some unknown future as in progressive revolutions which always fail). We revolted from a system that had strayed from the basics of natural and moral law. The goal of the founders was to return to what we all know to be true — to a correct natural order that includes, as it must, God. Hence the mention of “unalienable rights” and “self-evident truths.” They were oh-so close to creating something nearly eternal, but there was a flaw. Not placing blame here, the founders were only human after all. But they failed to see that their Enlightenment worldview was itself fundamentally flawed. I think if we proceed backward from the deism of the founders, we will see the flaw they failed to see. Preceding deism (generally) was rationalism. Preceding rationalism was individualism. Individualism is what defines America at its core. Now, what preceded individualism? We must ask also whether individualism aligns with the natural and moral law, that is, with the truth. There is an objective answer to that question, and if we can be intellectually honest about it, perhaps we are on our way to discovering the actual origin of Liberalism and answering why we are where we are today.

    The reason abortion, debt, pornography, drugs, homosexual “marriage” etc hurt somebody is because all of these things ultimately violate the natural law and ignore, dismiss or reject the truth at some level. There is no liberty apart from truth. Only the truth makes us free. Outside of truth lies only falsehood. Take one example: How many truths concerning the biological, spiritual, moral, and natural aspects of homosexual “sex” must be rejected in order to advance the cause? How many words (marriage, love, happiness, fairness, compassion…) must be fundamentally altered in order to rationalize the case. How many names must be called to justify a false position. Same-sex “marriage,” like abortion, is a metaphysical absurdity. They are metaphysically absurd because they turn us away from the truth of who we are at our essence. They are falsehoods that cause only destruction.

    The question now is whether individualism also breaks the natural law. Does individualism, like the deism that followed it, lead to atheism? And what of the thing that preceded individualism? The founding principles of America must be examined to determine why the experiment is failing. How have we reinterpreted the “pursuit of happiness” to include any and every moral vice? Happiness, like freedom, apart from moral virtue is an illusion. Why is the Constitution not holding the country together? Who found the weaknesses in it and exploited them? What caused the founders to fail to go back far enough and find the fundamental flaw that is now being paid for? Is “Liberty” as our founders defined it, the God that failed?

  20. Howard says:

    “No, Howard, a free society is NOT a free-for-all.”

    Never said any such thing, so most of what you wrote from there on was a straw man waste of time as it pertains to me.

    And your point about balance is, of course, correct – but specific decisions need to be made, and the acceptable balance point needs to be chosen by the people and continually hashed out.

  21. Howard says:

    “We revolted from a system that had strayed from the basics of natural and moral law. The goal of the founders was to return to what we all know to be true — to a correct natural order that includes, as it must, God.”

    When was the point in time that we were returning to in recent European history? There was no such time when things were better – they get worse and worse the further back you go.

    The revolution was an extension of the enlightenment. Things have gotten progressively better since it started. The revolution was a bold move forward – not a return to anything. The rest of your timeline re: rationalism and individualism is w/o historical basis in the mellenia leading up to the revolution in Europe. Those things developed over the course of the enlightenment, fought tooth and nail by the church, and culminated in political revolution.

    Not everything is a parallel to this last stupid election.

  22. St. Gilbert says:

    I never mentioned any time in history that we were returning to. I’m talking about metaphysical truths that are timeless and built into our very nature. When we stray from those truths, as cultures have done throughout history including our culture today, returning to them means recovering our true essence and then making real progress. The American Revolution was truly progressive because it recognized those truths and built on them for as long as it could. The experiment is failing (yes, it’s failing) because some seemingly virtuous notions from Enlightenment have contaminated it, not the least of which are individualism and rationalism.

  23. Bloodless Coup says:

    Mission Accomplished. They have achieved every one of their goals.

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