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Aug 06 2016

Open Thread


Via iOTW Report, on a tip from TED.

34 Responses to “Open Thread”

  1. Torcer says:

    Once again we see ‘KirklesWorth’ a supposed Trump advocate who who can’t seem to advocate for Trump.

    It is also illustrating that answering any of it’s questions merely engenders more questions from it in a never ending repetitious cycle.
    As we have seen, it’s other way of avoiding the issue is by pretending questions have already been answered. Of course, if that had been the case it should be EASY for it to re-post excerpts to those answers for all to see. It should be able to do this and openly illustrate that it has advocated for Trump instead of merely issuing a vague answer about supporting the nominee of the party or something.

    Just as it won’t be able to post a list of reasons it supposedly supported Ted Cruz during the primaries.

    Note that it missed the part where I stated: ‘and at one point Trump was my second choice’ in my previous comment on the subject. That meant that is no longer the case, but that didn’t stop our ‘Trump supporter’ from using it as another dodge to avoid a question.

    Also note it’s projection on it’s obsession with an entirely irrelevant issue as epitomized by it’s posting laundry list of times when it’s indulged in that trivial matter.

    But now since I have clearly answered it’s insignificant questions, witness if it can bring itself to answer these questions:

    As a supposed ‘Trump supporter’ Why are you advocating for Trump aside from the non-answer “he’s the nominee”?

    Does Trump have a responsibility to win?

  2. RKae says:

    British press freaks out over when the military spends 180 million pounds on 5-inch guns…

    …because they think “5-inch guns” means “guns that are 5 inches long.”

    Journalists never get tired of embarrassing themselves when it comes to their ignorance of weaponry.

  3. Bodhisattva says:

    I wonder how long it will be before we find out that Obama (who promised to be the most transparent President ever) hid his college records because he claimed he was from Kenya to get the advantages that come with being a foreign student.

    In any case, I wanted to post about the election:

    Our choices this year are as bad as ever:

    Republican (supposedly): Trump
    Democratic (socialist): Clinton

    Third party candidates who are on at least 20 state ballots:
    Constitution: Castle
    Green: Jill Stein
    Libertarian: Johnson

    And a plethora of candidates who are on less than 20 ballots or who are running as ‘write in’ candidates.

    I would like to believe that if we convince enough people to vote 3rd party we will… probably throw the election to the House of Representatives. And who knows what will happen then. The Republicans can’t be trusted any more than Trump – it’s odd that the one we can trust the most – Hillary – we can only trust to SCREW THINGS UP the same way Obama has for the past 8 years. We can trust her to lie, to put every one of us in danger with bonehead foreign policy, with anti-military, pro wasteful spending domestic policies. We can trust her to try to bring in even more refugees than Obama. Seriously, is Trump that scary that we’re going to hand it to Clinton?

    Chances are either Trump or Clinton will get it. No matter what we say or do.

    I know Clinton will be a disaster. I have grave reservations about Trump. So who does that leave?

    Dave recommends Castle, the Constitution Party candidate.

    Does he even have a chance?

    What do we know about him?

    Dave’s recommendation is here:

  4. IMPEACH THE BUM says:


    iranian TV confirms: Obama is a FELON:

    Time for Congress to step in and IMPEACH. The LYING FELON is unfit for office.


  5. Feet2Fire says:

    People who are “trumpeting” about a Third Party candidate are merely upping Hillary’s chances. Realize that the “CHOICE” is between HILLARY and TRUMP. PERIOD.

  6. Feet2Fire says:

    What’s wrong with Hillary?

    She seems to exhibit signs of a mental disorder, possibly Tourette’s Syndrome… Also, some of her symptoms could be side-effects from various meds she is on.

    Check out the symptoms listed and think about Hillary’s infamous episodes:

    Do any of these sound familiar?

    Repeating one’s own words or phrases

    Coughing <————
    Repeating others' words or phrases

    Throat clearing
    Using vulgar, obscene or swear words

    Barking!!! <————–

    Eye blinking <———–
    Touching or smelling objects

    Head jerking <————-
    Repeating observed movements

    Shoulder shrugging
    Stepping in a certain pattern

    Eye darting <—————-
    Obscene gesturing

    Nose twitching
    Bending or twisting

    Mouth movements <—————

    –We sure as heck don't need somebody that screwed up in our White House!

    Our "choice" is between Hillary and Trump. And HILLARY IS NOT THE ANSWER.

  7. Mr. Freemarket says:

    Oh for the days when a gun was rated in terms of the size projectile it could fire.

  8. Mr. Freemarket says:

    Anyone with half a brain knew that Obama was unfit for office before he was sworn into office.
    On the other hand, congress would never, ever, impeach our first “black” president.
    Just like they would never impeach our first “woman” president. Even if she is less fit for office than was Obama.

  9. Mr. Freemarket says:

    It would be enlightening to see what meds were flowing in Hillary’s blood stream.
    Just a question….which STDs make you lose your mind?

  10. Mr. Freemarket says:

    I suspect that Barack is writing “I heart Barack” over and over again.

  11. George Lortz says:

    At least his damn feet are not on the desk.

  12. IMPEACH THE BUM says:


    Well, she’s not a moslem. Which makes her not any less qualified than him.

    She will sell out to moslems though, so the effect on US will be more or less the same.

    Plus she knows how hated she is among REAL Americans so you can bet she will take bitter revenge any time she can.

    Which means more Section 8 in good neighborhoods and more moslems in nice decent small Conservative towns across America.


  13. Swampcat says:


  14. KirklesWorth says:

    Oh’ it’s time for “Let’s extract snippets from the previous open thread into a new open thread without addressing anything that I don’t want to “. I see you aren’t even posting links for people to backcheck your assertions. This has obviously become your modus operandi – to manipulate the conversation as any good progressive-liberal-socialist would. Just pull pieces of commentary out of previous threads to comment on what you want to comment on while leaving the inconvenient context and counter-comments behind. That way, you might avoid the record of how the conversation actually went down. Slick.

    Let’s start by answering question first, since those are usually the first to get pulled out of context or claiming they were “avoided”:

    As a supposed ‘Trump supporter’ how are you advocating for Trump aside from the non-answer “he’s the nominee”?

    “He’s the nominee” is not a “non-answer” contrary to your denial, it is the primary answer (no pun intended). As I have stated before, you are not the arbiter of answers. Nevertheless I will add what I have said to others, Trump is 66% conservative while Hillary is 100% progressive-liberal-socialist.

    Does Trump have a responsibility to win?


    Now let’s go to the commentary:

    Just as it won’t be able to post a list of reasons it supposedly supported Ted Cruz during the primaries.

    That is either a lie, or you weren’t paying attention. I answered “It is too easy to get you to show your true colors. But to answer your irrelevant question, they were both the best republican contenders at the time and Rubio flamed out.”

    I didn’t miss the “at one point” of the “and at one point Trump was my second choice”, I was pointing out the irony on how you at one time somehow had enough reasons for Trump yourself. You obviously neglected to re-post the part later where I summarized your optional change to Darrell Castle:

    Now that you’ve answered “Ted Cruz”, I can point out that your primary candidate is out and it looks like you’ll have to settle for your secondary candidate, Donald Trump – unless you are still going to throw your vote away to Darrell Castle. Otherwise, we’re two peas in a pod now!

    Funny how when you ask the questions, they somehow loom with importance. When I ask questions, they are “irrelevant” – and yet you resist answering such easy and “irrelevant” questions anyway.

  15. MicahStone says:

    DAMN – I’ve been copied by IOTW again.

    Well, imitation is the highest form of flattery !!!!

  16. seaoh says:

    spousal privilage

  17. Bodhisattva says:

    Not everyone who sees Trump as the lesser of 2 evils can find it possible to endorse him. I didn’t like getting stuck with McCain or Romney either, but that’s the choice we were given.

  18. Bodhisattva says:

    Sadly, that’s been my point for some time. Fortunately enough Democrats are upset about the fraud the Democrats pulled to give Hillary a clear field, particularly those who wanted “BS” Bernie to get the nomination, that they may make it easier for Trump to get elected – not that Trump is much better than Hillary. He’s the evil we don’t know.

  19. Feet2Fire says:

    Yes, it’s a mystery how we ended up with such a lousy “choice” this election, but guess events/people/circumstances/apathy have all been leading up to this moment for quite some time.

  20. Feet2Fire says:

    –Hope that’s a generic rhetorical question and the “you” is not directed to this particular commenter. LOL.

  21. Torcer says:

    The key indicator here is that ‘KirklesWorth’ expends an inordinate amount of effort in attacking Conservatives (Something it claimed to be ) than advocating for the candidate is supposedly supports.

    The end result is that it is driving support AWAY from Trump.

    Those who actually support the man – for whatever reason – should take pause at that tactic.

  22. seaoh says:

    Try to imagine a Catholic priest, convicted of child molestation, holding a catholic mass in a city park.

  23. Mr. Freemarket says:

    She may not be a Muslim, but her girlfriend is.

  24. Bodhisattva says:

    I see a lot of attacking going on – which is certainly making the Democrats happy.

    Consider that many elected “Republican” “Conservatives” are not acting very Republican or Conservative and many “Republican” “Conservative” voters keep electing them nonetheless.

    I think we fell down the rabbit hole at some point or something.

  25. Torcer says:

    Yes, I’ve seen polling data that has supported the idea that many Conservatives have been turned away from Trump.

    Incessant attacks from the likes of ‘KirklesWorth’ does not help the situation.

    One would surmise that IF it were actually advocating for Trump it would drop the attacks and try to sell his candidacy.

  26. Bodhisattva says:

    Not surprising – like so may other supposed “Republicans”, just claiming that doesn’t make him one.

    I am not a conspiracy theory nut, but there may be credence to the claim that Bill Clinton asked him to run as one in order to sow chaos and confusion on the Republican side. Though he’s NOT a Republican or a Conservative, he is the ideal liberal caricature of both.

    I honestly don’t know FOR SURE which would be worse – another Clinton presidency or a Trump presidency (I suspect the former – she’s the evil we know, he’s the evil we don’t know) but one thing I CAN say is it would serve the Democrats and Hillary right if this was just a plot to drive the final, fatal nail in the Republican party by running an obvious New York Liberal as this year’s Republican choice – but the plan backfires and he actually gets elected!

    Honestly, looking at BOTH of them (Hillary and Donald) I think our country is screwed if EITHER gets elected.

    But like it or not, I would say that only a miracle would prevent one or the other from being our next President.

    We already royally screwed up the “first black president” thing EXCEPT for the fact he was a mulatto, not a black. I was hoping the first woman president would be someone who wasn’t so unsuited for the job.

  27. Torcer says:

    Consider this thought experiment.

    Let us presume you are ‘on the fence’ an informed about both candidates.
    You know the issues of electing a New Yawk Liberal who has donated to many a leftist cause and who has espoused on raising tax and the detriment of constitutional civil rights and then there are the issues with Hillary..

    Anyway, you look at the social media and interact with your fellow conservatives and dare to express viewpoints on the race and you are attacked by those who purport to be ‘Trump supporters’..

    Now, wouldn’t your reaction be to recoil at such treatment and consider other alternatives? I would allow that maybe.. just maybe those kind of heavy handed tactics worked on primary voters.. After all, it’s a very condensed group that votes in those contests and there was the bandwagon effect of people wanting to be part of a winning team.

    Bu that is no longer the case – the general election is with the entire population with voters who can chose the other parties. In that case, those kinds of heavy handed tactics would have the opposite effect. It is my contention that is the purpose of some of the ‘Trump supporters’ around here and elsewhere.

    Given that they have failed multiple times to sell their candidate – which as a supporter they should jump at the chance of doing that. Clearly they don’t want to chance actually getting someone to vote for Trump.

    They instead spend an inordinate amount of time attacking people and driving people away from the candidate they supposedly support. Not to mention coarsening the behaviour of those who may truly support the man and thus propagating the chaos.

  28. Bodhisattva says:

    All very possible, as is the near certainty that we are faced with this choice due to many Democrats who probably voted at least twice – once for Hillary (or Bernie, for all we know) and at least once for Trump as a Republican. There is no valid argument for demanding ID for a host of daily mundane things (and by the way, 2 forms of official ID to get into a Democratic campaign event!) yet claiming that expecting one to show an ID for something as important as voting is unreasonable. What, is requiring one to get a library card a form of discrimination, of attempting to keep some class of persons from being able to read?

    Anyway, people probably think I’m a Trump supporter just for saying that failure to vote for Trump virtually assures Hillary will be our next President. That is a fact. So trying to wash one’s hands of the outcome by not voting only makes sure they are as dirty as can be.

    One thing that is certain is we’re pretty much screwed for the next 4 years – unless Trump turns out to be a lot wiser in office, assuming by some miracle he gets elected. More likely we’ll see Hillary in office and the first woman president will be as much or more of a train wreck as the first (half) black was.

  29. Torcer says:

    Trumps biggest disadvantage now is Trump – he cannot manage to have the discipline to stay on message.

    One would hope that he could be a great president, the problem is that he has to win first and then act like an adult.

    Comrade Clinton is such a colossally bad candidate that this election should have been a cake walk for the GOP, but for Trump it could wind up being a disaster of epic proportions.

  30. Bodhisattva says:

    Agreed – all points.

    Comrade Clinton is such a colossally bad candidate that this election should have been a cake walk for the GOP

    And the Democrats knew this.

    Which is why they encouraged Trump to run as a Republican.

    Which is why they voted for him in droves during the primary.

  31. Torcer says:

    At this point I don’t have the foggiest idea on who I will vote… I suspect it’s going to what is going on when I step into the voting booth.

    There is the option of Evan McMullin… or perhaps Johnson.

    My guess is that Trump will flame out so badly that my vote won’t even matter..

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