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Jul 14 2017

Open Thread


On a tip from TED.

75 Responses to “Open Thread”

  1. Bodhisattva says:

    California’s One-Party State
    Democrats try to rig a recall election to keep a supermajority.

  2. Bodhisattva says:

    Illegal Immigrants Face Criminal Charges for First Offenses
    Program is part of the Trump administration’s effort to deter illegal border crossings; 565 prosecutions since June

  3. Bodhisattva says:

    White House weighs dramatically expanding DHS powers to expedite deportations

    Since 2004, the agency has been authorized to bypass immigration courts only for immigrants who had been living in the country illegally for less than two weeks and were apprehended within 100 miles of the border.

    Under the proposal, the agency would be empowered to seek the expedited removal of illegal immigrants apprehended anywhere in the United States who cannot prove they have lived in the country continuously for more than 90 days, according to a 13-page internal agency memo obtained by The Washington Post.

    The new guidelines, if enacted, would represent a major expansion of the agency’s authority to speed up deportations under President Donald Trump, who has made border security a top priority.

    Two administration officials confirmed that the proposed new policy, which would not require congressional approval, is under review. The memo was circulated at the White House in May, and DHS is reviewing comments on the document from the Office of Management and Budget, according to one administration official familiar with the process who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

    Joanne Talbot, a DHS spokeswoman, said she had not seen the memo. She described it as a draft and emphasized that no final decisions have been made by Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly.

    “The potential changes would allow DHS to more efficiently use resources to remove persons who have been illegally present for relatively brief periods of time while still observing due-process requirements,” Talbot said.

    What “due process requirements?”

    Here illegally, gotta go back home. That is the due process that needs to be emphasized.

  4. Bodhisattva says:

    When Council President Patricia Spitzley asked if anyone else wanted to speak at the end of the public comment portion of the committee-of-the-whole meeting, five hands went up. Spitzley allowed the four adults to talk but said “No” to Charli.

    “I have strong feelings about the role of children and what their role should be. I don’t believe that 9-year-old children should be giving public comment. I just don’t,” Spitzley said in a phone interview Wednesday.

    At the meeting on Monday, Charli started to cry after being told she couldn’t share her views on the park with council members.

    “I cried because I was sad I couldn’t talk about the reasons I had for Ormond Park to be saved,” Charli told me in a phone interview.

    She said her father, who now lives in East Lansing, used to live near Ormond Park and she played there frequently. A small rock-climbing wall that’s been knocked down for construction was a highlight. She’ll be a fourth-grade student at Glencairn School in East Lansing in the fall.

    “I wanted to tell them that kids should have a chance to come to Ormond Park and climb on the rock wall and play on the structures,” she said.

    Kelly Collison, who lives in Lansing, said she brought her daughter with her to the meeting to speak against the park changes. She said it was Charli’s idea to address the council. Collison said she was shaken when her daughter was denied that chance.

    “I thought that it sent a message to young people that their voice doesn’t matter,” Collison said. Plus, she points out, who knows a park better than kids who play there?

  5. Bodhisattva says:

    I say send them out there to form a “human shield” between the bear and others, if they think it needs to remain there & alive.

    ‘We want this bear alive’: Thousands rally to save grizzly that’s chased humans
    4,000 signatures collected urging officials not to resort to killing grizzly despite aggressive behaviour

    The grizzly has charged a man pushing a baby stroller, chased hikers and wandered through a high school rugby practice, but thousands of people in Banff and Canmore have petitioned the Alberta government not to consider killing the animal tagged as Bear 148.

    Earlier this week, provincial officials said they might have to put down the female grizzly if it displays any further aggressive behaviour while in Alberta parkland — a comment that prompted Banff residents Bree Todd and Stacey Sartoretto to start a petition against killing the animal. It has already garnered about 4,000 signatures.

    “We want this bear alive, we want this bear protected.

    “She is just as much of a local as I am, or Stacey is, or anybody else in this town,” said Todd, who has lived in the area for 11 years. “And she deserves the same respect as everybody else.”

    Equal treatment? If a person behaved like this bear it would be at the very least in jail right now.

  6. Bodhisattva says:

    The things moonbats do!

    Oregon woman arrested for towing kids in a wagon behind her car

    A Springfield woman was arrested Wednesday evening and charged with two counts of reckless endangerment after multiple drivers reported a car towing three children — her 2-year-old daughter, 4-year-old son and 8-year-old nephew — in a small, plastic red wagon going around a busy roundabout multiple times during rush hour.

    Police were not initially aware of the third child and a third charge is now pending.

    Lt. McKee told The Oregonian/OregonLive that Donahue told police it wasn’t a big deal, that she was “showing the kids a good time,” and only driving 5 miles per hour.

    According to Lt. McKee, witness saw something different.

    “I talked to a witness today that said she saw them go by her house in their neighborhood and they were going like 30 miles an hour,” Lt. McKee said.

    In a press release, police said that a witness reported the youngest child begin to cry after the wagon went up on two wheels during the trip.

  7. Bodhisattva says:

    Pink Pants?

    Also notice how he’s holding a right handed club backwards due to the angle of the shot?

  8. Bodhisattva says:

    Clinton between two Bushes? Does Slick Willie not know how symbolically accurate this photo is, displaying his stature and character relative to the two men he came between in office?

  9. Bodhisattva says:

    So now the media are upset with Trump Jr. because he left out the part about how there was talk of Russian funding of the DNC and Hillary?

    Or so it seems.

  10. Bodhisattva says:

    On the Receiving End of the Hockey Stick
    Chris de Freitas, 1948-2017

    Chris de Freitas is one of over a hundred scientists quoted in the book I edited, “A Disgrace to the Profession”: The World’s Scientists – in Their Own Words – on Michael E Mann, his Hockey Stick, and Their Damage to Science Volume One. He had one of those child-of-empire upbringings: born in Trinidad, educated in Toronto, a Commonwealth scholar in Queensland, and eventually the University of Auckland’s Deputy Dean of Science, Head of Science and Technology and Pro Vice-Chancellor. He was also Vice-President of the Meteorological Society of New Zealand, a founding member of the Australia-New Zealand Climate Forum, and a four-time recipient of the Science Communicator Award from the New Zealand Association of Scientists.

    In other words, he was a distinguished man in his field – until, in his capacity as editor of the journal Climate Research, he made the mistake of crossing Michael E Mann. “The Mann ‘hockey stick’ is nothing more than a mathematical construct,” concluded Professor de Freitas. “Sufficient evidence exists to disprove it.” That was enough to attract the ire of Mann and his cabal, and set in motion a campaign to ruin him.

    Mann didn’t care for the cut of de Freitas’ jib and emailed Mike Hulme and Phil Jones to enquire how plans for payback were going – or, as he put it in the header, “Climate Research and adequate peer review”:

    Did anything ever come of this?

    Clare Goodness was in touch w/ me indicating that she had discussed the matter w/ Von Storch, and that DeFrietas would be relieved of his position. However, I haven’t heard anything…

    It seems important that either Clare and Von Storch take imminent action on this, or else actions of the sort you had mentioned below should perhaps be strongly considered again. Non-action or slow action here could be extremely damaging…

    Thanks very much for all your help w/ this to date, and for anything additional you may be able to do in this regard to move this forward.

    best regards, mike

    Mike got his way. De Freitas was removed as editor.

    He was an honorable and principled man, who refused to subordinate the scientific method to political activism. For that reason, Michael E Mann demanded that he be punished. His early death from cancer is a tragedy, and I hope what he went through from Mann did not contribute to it. Rest in peace.

  11. pocketfrog says:

    It would be nice if Moonbattery could at least talk about Trump Jr.’s meeting and what their take on it is. Pretending it didn’t happen isn’t much of a strategy.

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  13. The LIEberal Media ☆ ᵀᴿᵁᴹᴾ says:



    Krooked Klinton judge sets aside Sheldon Silver corruption verdict on a technicality:

    Did Schumer friend and ally ol’ Preet [D] improperly instruct the jury in order to give a future [D] judge what he needed to throw the verdict?

    What enterprising JOURNO LIST will dig around and compile a list of Preet Bharara convictions thrown out for improperly instructing a jury?

    Inquiring minds want to know..

  14. The LIEberal Media ☆ ᵀᴿᵁᴹᴾ says:

    MB is by far the only site on the web. MB is a HUMOR site making light of the dark force that is liberalism.

    MB is ostensibly NOT a news site, but we get more real news here than we’d ever get by watching CNN.

  15. BiffWellington says:

    At least he didn’t move the ball, so it only counts as one stroke…

  16. StephaneDumas says:

    Would be fun to see when the bear had enough of that like Dewie the bear. 😉

  17. KirklesWorth says:

    Okay, what would you like to discuss:

    CBS Politics: Trump Jr. meeting “smoking gun” in Russian collusion allegations?
    CBS Politics: More details emerge about Trump Jr.’s Russia meeting
    Salon: Chip off the old block: Donald Trump Jr. tells lies nearly as well as his dad
    Townhall: Real Collusion is Much Deeper Than Donald Trump Jr.
    Townhall: Time Magazine Demonizes Donald Trump Jr–But Hails Che Guevara as “Hero and Icon of the Century!”
    MSNBC: Did Kremlin use Trump Jr. meeting to test…
    CBS Politics: Translator in Trump Jr. meeting ID’d as ex-State Dept. contractor
    MSNBC: Indira Lakshmanan on Trump Jr. meeting: …
    MSNBC: Trump Jr Russian meeting scandal continues
    CNS: Tasteless Colbert Denigrates Kellyanne Conway as ‘Satan’s Trophy Wife’ Defending Donald Trump Jr.
    Gateway Pundit: AWFUL! Donald Trump Jr. Given ‘Hitler Mustache’ On TIME Magazine Cover
    Gateway Pundit: Lewandowski: Heads Will Roll After Trump Jr. Leaks (VIDEO)
    Daily Kos: Trump Jr. emails point to Russian collaboration even before June meeting
    MSNBC: Trump Jr came up with 7 days of excuses
    Twitchy: ‘Why is it lie after lie after lie?’ Shepard Smith has on air meltdown over Trump Jr. Russia story
    MSNBC: More Russians at Trump Jr meeting than…
    CBS Politics: Pro-Russian lobbyist, former Soviet officer was in Trump Jr. meeting
    CBS Politics: Despite Trump Jr.’s meeting and swirling rumors, supporters sticking with the president
    The Blaze: Breaking: More revelations about who was at Russian meeting with Trump Jr.
    WND: The Kabuki theatre of Trump Jr. story

  18. Mr. Freemarket says:

    If you pay taxes, you should have a voice. If not….probably not.

  19. Mr. Freemarket says:

    I think Bree and Stacey might feel differently after the bear eats their child….or their dog.

    Maybe we should find out…

  20. pocketfrog says:

    I’d like Moonbattery to acknowledge the existence of this matter by having at least one post about it. At least then we could see what their take on it is.

  21. Mr. Freemarket says:

    Can we just put this woman out of her misery? She is obviously too dumb to be trusted to operate a car.

  22. pocketfrog says:

    “MB is by far the only site on the web.”
    I’m pretty sure there are other sites on the web as well.

    Anyways, not all of Moonbattery’s post are humor-based. Sometimes it reports what’s happening and shows its humorous take on it. It seems strange to pretend that this Russian meeting news story isn’t happening and not participate at all.

  23. Mr. Freemarket says:

    This is an open thread. Feel free to argue your points, discuss your point of view, and, if you wish, ridicule others.

    Were their crimes committed? Should someone go to jail?

    We have argued here many times our disappointment that Trump hasn’t gone after Hillary and many others in the prior administration for their crimes. Feel free to express yourself.

  24. Mr. Freemarket says:

    Who is pretending?

    Dave posts those things that I believes are interesting, humorous, worth ridicule, etc. He often uses comments by others as the basis for one of his threads.

    This isn’t a “me too” site; generally we are looking for different perspectives.

    Does Dave have particular insight on Trump Jr.? Do you?

    Feel free to share.

  25. Mr. Freemarket says:

    Will anyone call 911 to save a drowning golfer? Or will most people treat it as what Darwin predicted?

  26. KirklesWorth says:

    “Real Clear Politics” pathetically tries to brand Trump a would-be murderer…involving “global warming” no less.

    Real Clear Politics: Donald Trump’s War on the Unborn

    For a start, the World Health Organization estimates that between 2030-2050, climate change will cause approximately 250,000 deaths every year from malnutrition, malaria, diarrhea, and heat stress. And that was before Trump pulled out of the Paris climate accord, putting the entire agreement at risk.

  27. KirklesWorth says:

    As we would all like Moonbattery to specifically address our subjects of interest…but it doesn’t always happen so we take it upon ourselves to bring it to the Open Threads.

  28. pocketfrog says:

    “Does Dave have particular insight on Trump Jr.?”
    We won’t know until he posts something on it.

    My take is that we don’t really know what happened at the meeting. It could’ve been nothing, it could’ve been something more. But Trump Jr. has been less than honest about the whole thing, and that’s what has raised red flags all over the place. Why cover up a meeting if nothing important happened there?

    And it’s not over yet, because we don’t know who the 8th(!) person was.

  29. Bodhisattva says:

    And the young girl doesn’t pay taxes… yet. I can see that perspective. However, do her parents pay taxes so she and other children can have spaces such as the park to enjoy? And is the perspective of such children a valuable input to the process?

  30. Bodhisattva says:

    I don’t get where you claim anyone is “pretending it didn’t happen”. Nobody said it didn’t happen. The posts I’ve seen here, on the contrary, acknowledge it did happen and it’s a big NOTHING BURGER.

    Let’s summarize what we know, all of which was posted here:

    1) Some people who claimed to have ties to the Russian government said they would meet and provide information damaging to the Clinton campaign.

    2) When they showed up they did provide some questionable, nebulous claims about funding to the Clinton campaign and/or the DNC from Russia, but said they could not really substantiate the “evidence”, which looked dubious at best.

    3) Right away people on Trump’s side started walking out of the meeting, realizing that the real goal appeared to be to get some sort of leg up on the adoption issue and the talk of information against Clinton was likely mostly a ruse to get in the door.

    4) There were no laws broken – campaigns always seek and often use damaging information against each other. Like it or not, this is how American politics works right now.

  31. KirklesWorth says:

    So, may I assume you want Moonbattery condemnation of Trump Jr. in line with your previous anti-Donald Trump comments?

  32. Bodhisattva says:

    As I pointed out in the other thread, you seem to take issue with the fact there has not been a dedicated thread at MOONBATTERY on the topic of the Trump Jr. meeting.

    You claim this is some sort of attempt to cover it up as if it didn’t happen.

    Maybe it’s just that there are much more important things going on and it is trivial, not worth the time.

    To claim an attempted cover up, an attempt to claim it didn’t happen, is ridiculous – if that were the case, any posts (including yours) on the topic would disappear soon after anyone makes them.

    MOONBATTERY was quite hostile to Trump – sometimes perhaps excessively, other times perhaps rightly so – during the election and also there have been some negative posts since. But the thing to remember is this space is “owned” by one person, who has every right to decide what appears here. This space is a lot more forgiving of “hostile” material than are some Democrat controlled venues.

  33. Bodhisattva says:

    There were lots of posts about it. I’ve made a few myself. Nobody’s pretending it didn’t happen – it’s just getting the attention (from the owner of this space) that it deserves, as it is yet another huge NOTHING BURGER. Even with the most recent apparent revelations.

  34. Bodhisattva says:

    Moonbattery has many posts about it – you’re answering some of them and making some of your own. Nobody dictates to the site owner what subjects he will post about. That’s his prerogative, as owner of this site.

  35. pocketfrog says:

    No, you may not assume that. Some condemn Trump Jr., some say it’s a nothingburger. I read Moonbattery so I’m curious to know their take on it.

  36. pocketfrog says:

    “To claim an attempted cover up, an attempt to claim it didn’t happen, is ridiculous…”
    It’s ridiculous to claim that I did either of those things. I like this site, so I made a suggestion to give their take on a story that’s gotten a lot of news coverage – no accusations of cover ups from me.

  37. KirklesWorth says:

    Sorry, already assumed:

    pocketfrog►Mogumbo Gono: (06/23/2016) Open your eyes, buddy. Donald’s a RINO who’s funneling his campaign contributions to himself. And as for his policies – as he said himself, they’re just suggestions.
    pocketfrog►Mogumbo Gono: (06/25/2016) Why on Earth would the Dems want Donald to drop out? He’s ensured that the GOP will lose Hispanics for at least the next ten years, he said that one of the top three functions of the Federal government is healthcare, and he’s caused a Civil War in the party. The Dems should send him a gift basket. And he couldn’t care less about the damage done because he’s not a career politician. As soon as he’s bored of the race he’ll drop out to play golf and tell endless stories about how he smashed his GOP rivals.
    pocketfrog►Tom: (06/28/2016) Shouldn’t Donald’s campaign be focusing on, you know, raising funds and winning the general? Donald and his campaign are saying/doing so many crazy/stupid things that you’re gonna get tired defending it all, but you’re welcome to try.
    pocketfrog►Tom: (06/28/2016) You’re missing the point. It’s not about the MP’s hatred of Donald – it’s about the Trump campaign’s efforts to raise funds from foreigners. Soliciting funds from foreigners is a big no-no, even if they were all Trumpkins like you. Get it now?
    pocketfrog►FrozenPatriot: (10/16/2016) But I don’t think they ever expected to be attacked by their own presidential nominee.
    pocketfrog►FrozenPatriot: (10/16/2016) One thing I do know is that Trump is completely fine with attacking the GOP when he feels like it.
    pocketfrog►Tuvok Shakur: (02/14/2017) Hopefully Moonbattery will stop drinking the Trump Kool-Aid eventually. Until then, at least we’ve got RedState.

  38. Bodhisattva says:

    Oh, and “MB is by far the only site on the web.” was clearly either a typo or sarcasm.

  39. Bodhisattva says:

    “Why cover up a meeting if nothing important happened there?”

    Trump Jr. has not made any attempt to cover up the meeting or deny it happened. He has better things to do, better things to discuss, AS DO WE ALL, but there’s a take on this you’re missing. Trump and his team seem to be pretty masterful with regards to their ability to turn the media into puppets. And that is exactly what it looks like they’re doing with this whole “Trump Jr. Meeting” story. In the process the media is proving just how despicable, disingenuous and petty they are, also how easily they’re led to concentrate on huge NOTHING BURGERS while Trump does some of the important things he promised.

  40. Bodhisattva says:

    On the contrary, you’ve been pushing the “cover up” angle for some time – and now you’re lying about it. Anyone who reads your posts knows this. Why a few posts up in this thread you said, and I QUOTE:

    “Why cover up a meeting if nothing important happened there?”

    Do you remember what you just posted a while ago or are you a heavy pot smoker who’s ability to remember what just happened, what you just did, is nonexistent?

  41. pocketfrog says:

    I’m not dictating to anyone, geez. It would be nice to have a blog post about it. Don’t make things so personal – it’s only politics.

  42. Bodhisattva says:

    It’s amusing this guy can’t come right out and admit he’s a troll, maybe even a paid troll, who has the typical Trump Derangement Syndrome issue, obviously.

    I am wondering why people like him are so dedicated with going after Trump Jr. when the real target is Trump.

  43. KirklesWorth says:

    No, he/she isn’t really a troll. His/her other posts are pretty much conservative – just mostly anti-Trump posts. Fine, so be it – but buying into mainstream media memes to backhandedly attack Trump via Trump Jr. isn’t the most persuasive way to make an argument.

  44. Bodhisattva says:

    Now I have to admit I’m confused – for I though it was clear Congress exempted themselves from obamacare – and now the GOP is exempting themselves from the obamacare rollback? How is that possible or necessary?

    Senate budget rules are giving opponents of the rollback of the 2010 health care law an easy way to attack Republicans for hypocrisy.

    The Senate GOP may not really want to immunize their own member and staff health plans from their health care policy changes, but because they are seeking to bring their bill to the floor under the expedited budget reconciliation process, they have little choice.

    Sen. Ted Cruz has already unveiled a fix to nullify the exemption, but that bill would take 60 votes to overcome any filibuster attempts.

    “While this exemption was included in the Senate health care bill out of procedural necessity, we must still be diligent in ensuring that Members of Congress are treated just like other Americans under this law,” the Texas Republican said in a statement. “This is an issue of fundamental fairness. Lawmakers are not above the laws that they pass and I believe that it is crucial that Members of Congress abide by the same laws that their own constituents follow.”

    The exemption has already prompted a web ad from the group Save My Care, which has been working against efforts to repeal and replace the health care law that took effect under President Barack Obama.

    “Senators did make the bill better for one group of Americans … themselves,” the ad says, citing a Thursday report from Vox.

    It is substantively accurate to say there is a carve-out in the Senate measure, but as with much of what happens when the Senate uses the budget reconciliation process, the reasons are complicated.

    As part of the implementation of the 2010 health care law, members of Congress and many staffers both on Capitol hill and in state-based offices shifted from getting health insurance benefits through the Federal Employee Health Benefits Program to the small-business exchange in Washington, D.C.

    Matters related to the local government in D.C. fall within the jurisdiction of the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, and internal operations of the Capitol are the responsibility of the Rules and Administration Committee.

    Aides previously confirmed that since neither panel received reconciliation instructions in the fiscal 2017 budget resolution that was adopted earlier this year so Republicans could pass health care legislation with just 50 votes and a tie-breaker by Vice President Mike Pence.

    A bill or amendment could lose its privileged status and be subject to needing 60 votes to overcoming procedural hurdles if staff and lawmaker health benefits were not exempted.

    Under a decision by the Office of Personnel Management during the Obama administration, employer contributions were allowed to be used in the D.C. SHOP.

    That led to a recurring saga in the Senate involving an amendment crafted by then Sen. David Vitter. The Louisiana Republican sought to end the employer benefit. OPM under President Donald Trump has not reversed course on the availability of the benefits

  45. pocketfrog says:

    That’s my point. I’m talking about Trump Jr., not President Trump. Moonbattery can defend or condemn Trump Jr. – that doesn’t have to change their opinion on Trump himself.

  46. Dave Blount says:

    Nie mój cyrk, nie moje małpy.

  47. Bodhisattva says:

    On the contrary – the “slow drip of information” helps ensure the media will continue to be mesmerized by this huge NOTHING BURGER like a cat watching a person wave a piece of string in front of it. Even the headline is an obvious contradiction!

    Slow leak of Russia news flooding White House

    “Slow leaks” don’t “flood”. Slow leaks are easy to deal with. Or, in this case, manipulate.

    ABC spins this as the media onto a story that is doing daily damage and in one respect they’re correct – every day they keep on this story shows just how irrelevant and nonsensical they’ve become, how bitterly partisan they are and how dedicated to fail they remain.

  48. pocketfrog says:

    I have a lot of issues with Trump, but he’s president and he’s not going anywhere. He’s certainly not getting impeached.

    But his son has been very shady on this meeting, and he’s made it hard on himself by not laying everything out on the table. It makes him look bad, and by extension the administration. He’s got himself to blame for that, not me.

  49. Bodhisattva says:

    Tried to get something for free, wound up obligated.

    Thousands sign up to clean sewage because they didn’t read the small print
    Those who fell for the gag clause inserted into wifi terms and conditions committed to more than a month of community service

    Do you read the terms and conditions? Probably not. No one does. And so, inevitably, 22,000 people have now found themselves legally bound to 1000 hours of community service, including, but not limited to, cleaning toilets at festivals, scraping chewing gum off the streets and “manually relieving sewer blockages”.

    The (hopefully) joke clause was inserted in the terms and conditions of Manchester-based wifi company Purple for a period of two weeks, “to illustrate the lack of consumer awareness of what they are signing up to when they access free wifi”. The company operates wifi hotspots for a number of brands, including Legoland, Outback Steakhouse and Pizza Express.

    Purple also offered a prize for anyone who actually read the terms and conditions, and flagged up the “community service clause”. Just one person claimed it.

  50. pocketfrog says:

    My TDS used to be a lot worse, I can assure you.

  51. pocketfrog says:

    OK, Dave. But if you do make a post about your take on this mess, I’d love to hear it. Keep up the great work!

  52. Bodhisattva says:

    Maxine Waters short circuits – AGAIN – during live TV interview

    Waters was once again slamming President Trump and spinning her Russia conspiracy theories when she questioned the patriotism of Trump supporters and said, “I just don’t understand why they don’t call it like it is and recognize that evidence is pouring in and it’s growing, or what— is matt— what, what is wrong with them, I just don’t quite understand,” she struggled to say.

    In April, the 78-year-old congresswoman suffered a brain freeze during another interview.

    Speaking with Yahoo News, Waters was talking about China’s role in containing North Korea, and momentarily appeared confused about what she was discussing.

  53. Bodhisattva says:

    What “pocketfrog” misses: The Donald Trump Jr. supposed collusion is hilarious because what his collusion would have involved is proof the Clinton campaign and the Democrats were receiving illegal money from Russia, proving Democrat collusion with the Russians. You can’t make this stuff up.

  54. pocketfrog says:

    ‘On the contrary, you’ve been pushing the “cover up” angle for some time – and now you’re lying about it. Anyone who reads your posts knows this. Why a few posts up in this thread you said, and I QUOTE:

    “Why cover up a meeting if nothing important happened there?”‘
    I was referring to Trump Jr. covering up the meeting by not telling Hannity the whole story – I wasn’t accusing Moonbattery of not covering the story. Don’t confuse the two!

    I did want Moonbattery to give their take, but Dave replied that it’s not his thing, so it’s not gonna happen.

  55. Bodhisattva says:

    FEC Shoots Down Democrat’s Plan to Target Conservative Media

    The Federal Election Commission (FEC) has declined a proposal by Democrat Commissioner Ellen Weintraub to undertake new rulemaking regarding alleged foreign influence in the 2016 election to target conservative media including the Drudge Report and Breitbart News, stating it “cannot support proposals that would burden the free speech rights of American citizens based on incomplete information about foreign activities in the 2016 election.”
    The FEC has declined to consider new rulemaking over alleged foreign influence in the 2016 presidential election that could target conservative media including InfoWars and Breitbart News. In a statement released by Vice Chair Caroline Hunter and Commissioners Lee Goodman and Matthew Petersen, the members state they “cannot support proposals that would burden the free speech rights of American citizens based on incomplete information about foreign activities in the 2016 election.”

    They further describe Weintraub’s proposal as one that would “‘blunt’ the Supreme Court’s decision in Citizen’s United.” In the opinion of three members who wrote the statement, there is no information currently showing that the FEC’s existing rules that prohibit foreign involvement in U.S. elections are “inadequate to detect, enforce, and punish violations.”

    The statement was released by the three Republicans serving as FEC commissioners. Weintraub and Democrat Steven Walther are the other two current members, meaning there is at least a 3-2 majority in the Republicans favor on this issue.

  56. pocketfrog says:

    I didn’t miss that – it was pointed out by others a long time ago that you’d have a circle of collusions and that the real winners would be the lawyers.

  57. Bodhisattva says:

    Moonbat response to a growing problem – typical of how moonbat dominated areas have such problems & how they deal with them:

    While homelessness surges in Disneyland’s shadow, Anaheim removes bus benches

  58. pocketfrog says:

    Yeah, I get that. Trump did that throughout the primaries and the debates – get the media all riled up over something he said, and use the attention to knock out the other candidates. I still think the tactic is ugly, but it worked. Jeb Bush, more than anyone else, found that out the hard way.

    I’m even more against him using those tactics as president – his own party has trouble defending it. But so long as it works for him, I guess he’s going to keep doing it.

  59. Bodhisattva says:

    It really doesn’t matter to me whether he went to Mexico voluntarily or involuntarily – he was here illegally, Obama had no legal basis for giving amnesty to the so-called “DREAMers” and Trump only allowed the program to continue because the courts are nearly certain to rule it illegal and end it shortly. He belongs in Mexico, not here. Those who brought him here illegally in the first place are responsible for everything.

    And I don’t believe any of the statements that he was forced across the border – he probably has crossed back and forth many times since he first came here.

    Lawyers for the only known DREAMer deported by the Trump administration filed supporting statements in court Friday from people on both sides of the Mexican border who corroborate Juan Manuel Montes’ account that immigration agents wrongly forced him across the border.

  60. KirklesWorth says:

    Okay, granted…shady perhaps but not illegal. Skepticism is a trait of conservatives – even of their own. But for some of us, Trump Jr.’s pre-election hijinks haven’t risen above the threshold of alarming…to the contrary, some of us would consider it appropriate to try and acquire as much information to combat Hillary as possible (as long as it doesn’t go out of bounds). Since current reports are that Trump Jr. did nothing illegal, we have other concerns about Trump that take higher precedence.

  61. Bodhisattva says:

    Iran blames Trump for instability, rejects ‘rogue’ label

    Iran on Saturday blamed what it called Donald Trump’s “arbitrary and conflicting policies” for global security threats, rejecting the U.S. president’s description of Tehran as a rogue state.

    Tensions between Iran and the United States have heightened since the election of Trump, who has often singled out Tehran as a key backer of militant groups.

    “(Trump) ought to seek the reason for subversion and rebellion in his own arbitrary and conflicting policies and actions, as well as those of his arrogant, aggressive and occupying allies in the region,” said foreign ministry spokesman Bahram Qassemi, quoted by Iran’s state news agency IRNA.

    President Trump said on Thursday that new threats were emerging from “rogue regimes like North Korea, Iran and Syria and the governments that finance and support them”.

    Senior Iranian officials have blamed U.S-allied Saudi Arabia, Iran’s Sunni Muslim regional rival, for instability and attacks in the Middle East, including last month’s assaults that killed 18 people in Tehran.

    Saudi Arabia has denied involvement in the attacks which were claimed by Islamic state.

  62. Bodhisattva says:

    Maybe I’ve seen more than is there… like the Democrats do daily! I looked at a wide variety of posts and perhaps came to a hasty conclusion. We shall see.

  63. Bodhisattva says:

    I probably should not have started posting before waking up completely today. But at the same time, it did seem like you were pushing a bit too hard to have a dedicated thread to this non-issue of the Trump Jr. Meeting which happened when? And what came of it? It’s a HUGE NOTHING BURGER even with the additional details that were revealed. The press is wasting their time and our time and missing reporting on things that really matter – which is why, other than to find nonsense they’re up to in order to post about it here occasionally, I don’t bother with them that much.

  64. Bodhisattva says:

    Drug cartel using Mexican Fords to smuggle drugs.

    $1M pot found in Mexican-made Fords transported through Warren to Kent

    The head of the Youngstown Federal Drug Enforcement Administration says a recent marijuana-smuggling operation with ties to Warren is the first of its kind he has seen in this area.

    In fact, said Bob Balzano, who runs the local DEA office, the only time he has heard of the method being deployed was in April, when a similar discovery was made in Minnesota.

    The marijuana was found last week inside the wheel well for a spare tire in a new Ford Fusion which was manufactured in Sonora, Mexico, at a Ford dealership in Kent, after one of the vehicles was unloaded from a car carrier, Balzano said.

    Investigators were then able to find 14 more packages of marijuana in other Fusions, which all came through a rail yard in Warren.

    All together, about 14.5 per kilos per car, or 400 pounds of marijuana, was found. It has a street value between $400,000 to $1 million.

  65. Bodhisattva says:

    Iran Dominates in Iraq After Obama ‘Handed the Country Over’

    The United States spent more than $1 trillion and lost about 4,500 troops in the effort to make Iraq the cornerstone of a Western-facing Middle East. But today, Iran’s influence is paramount.

    The story is behind a NYT paywall… if you are a NYT subscriber you may want to google it and go there – not sure how much of the story is available elsewhere.

    Here is a similar story:

  66. Bodhisattva says:

    Rep. Ron DeSantis says House Oversight bringing in ‘big names’ to investigate leaks, mum on whether Ben Rhodes is one of them

    Rep. Ron DeSantis, R-Fla., wouldn’t say Saturday whether the House Oversight Committee is going to call former Obama deputy national security adviser Ben Rhodes to testify about potentially playing a role in the leaks from the Trump administration of classified information to reporters.

    During an interview with MSNBC’s Hugh Hewitt, DeSantis admitted he’s spoken to his committee’s chairman, Trey Gowdy of South Carolina, about it, and while he would defer to Gowdy to identify people of interest, he did say the panel has brought in some “big names.”

    “They’re doing a lot more than what the press knows in terms of some of the people they have brought in,” DeSantis said. “They’ve brought in some big names that I’m not authorized to say.”

    Hewitt had asked DeSantis about Rhodes in particular because of an interview he did recently with the Washington Free Beacon in which he accused Rhodes of being a primary source of the leaks causing harm to the Trump administration and called on Trump to remove all Obama official holdovers from his administration.

  67. Bodhisattva says:

    Second born children are more likely to be criminals

    It doesn’t help that research constantly pits one against the other(s). For instance, studies have deemed older siblings more successful and youngest siblings funnier. A new study has gone one step further – and found that second-born siblings are more likely to be trouble-makers.

    Researchers examined data from Florida and Denmark, and found that second-born boys are more likely to rebel and cause mischief.

    The report states that second-born boys are 20 to 40 per cent more likely to be disciplined in school and commit crimes – particularly violent crimes – compared to first-born boys.

    This, the researchers argue, is because their role model is a young child, rather than first-borns, whose role models are their parents. And older siblings may benefit themselves from being a role model to younger siblings, and teaching them.

    They also typically get less attention from their mothers than first-borns did.

  68. Mike_W20 says:

    …and then CNN gets eaten by an alligator.

  69. Mr. Freemarket says:

    Cognitive skills aren’t taught in schools anymore.

  70. Mr. Freemarket says:

    Arguing that one should keep a park is like arguing that people should be allowed to eat ice cream. Hard to find anyone intrinsically opposed to parks. The problem is who will pay to create or keep a park.

  71. Mr. Freemarket says:

    Lack of facts generally do not lead to a meaningful discussion. Did Trump Jr. break any laws by meeting with the Russian? I don’t think so; the entire issue is with disclosure.

    Will he be prosecuted and sent to jail? No.

    No. No way. Not going to happen.

    Does Trump Sr. have the good judgement to say “Jr. is out; he will not be part of this administration”?


  72. pocketfrog says:

    “Did Trump Jr. break any laws by meeting with the Russian?”

  73. Mr. Freemarket says:

    And that correction changes everything.


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