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Aug 11 2017

Open Thread


On a tip from cieran58.

58 Responses to “Open Thread”

  1. Maurice Miner says:

    “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.”

    I would add something to George Orwell’s thoughts:

    Google is God

    That is all.

  2. Good Stuff says:


    Magga Braco and Zuleyka Rivera Mendoza leads this enorme meta blog post because they will become famous hot tamales! Also, I had to include some off beat science and plenty of North Korea stuff

  3. Bodhisattva says:

    The lingering questions about Burlington College’s finances are based, in large part, on a cryptic three-page spreadsheet.

    The spreadsheet — a list of confirmed and potential donors to the college’s 2010 capital campaign using each donor’s initials — helped Burlington College and then-president Jane O’Meara Sanders to finance the purchase of a new $10 million lakefront campus.

    At least four of the donors included on the spreadsheet, however, have challenged the listed amount of their donations. The document now appears to be wrapped up in an ongoing FBI investigation about whether the donations were exaggerated to mislead the bank.

    One former member of Burlington College’s board of trustees, David V. Dunn, said the board began to doubt the veracity of some of the capital campaign donations in the summer of 2011, and he says the doubts led to the removal of Sanders as president that fall. Dunn said the college’s finance office indicated that actual donations were less than what was originally represented.

    A second former trustee, Jonathan Leopold, denied the account and said the board had no doubts about the approximately $2.6 million in listed capital campaign pledges. Leopold said the board was more concerned that additional fundraising efforts had stalled.

  4. Bodhisattva says:

    Liberal moonbats admit what we all already knew:

    They’re cracking up!

    Liberals should reject the divisive, zero-sum politics of identity and find their way back to a unifying vision of the common good

    But does that vision include the good of the unborn? Of whites and, more specifically, white males?

  5. Bodhisattva says:

    Building Teslas for Elon Musk Is Hell

    For a number of Tesla factory workers who are currently trying to unionize, hell feels like herniated neck disks, carpal tunnel, and tendinitis.
    “Having to look up every day, 12 hours a day, six days a week, hands over my shoulder, it was two herniated disks in my neck,” Michael Sanchez told The Daily Beast. He has since moved to less-intensive work on door panels. “After three-plus years working at Tesla, it just starts adding on until you’re living the pain every day. Whether you’re off work or not.”
    Tesla casts itself as the eco-friendly car of the future, but the tech company still depends on the physical labor of workers who assemble vehicles in its factory in Fremont, California. As the company enters a production blitz, some of these workers are demanding a union, citing a high rate of past injuries.
    So when factory workers started murmuring about a union last summer, Sanchez got on board. But a year out, while Tesla shifts into high gear, its union drive is still stalling.

    “The main thing that’s holding it back is the fear. The fear of people not aware what their rights are,” Sanchez said. “But what Tesla feeds them during meetings is the thought that ‘maybe I’ll lose my job, or maybe I’ll lose my opportunity for a lead.’”

  6. Bodhisattva says:

    Fired Google engineer James Damore says company is ‘like a cult’

    The Google engineer fired for writing a controversial memo about diversity has gone beyond referring to the company as an “echo chamber” that won’t stand for dissent and now says it’s “almost like a cult.”

    In an opinion piece for the Wall Street Journal, James Damore gave his explanation for why he was fired, taking a shot at the company’s culture and its famous motto.

    “For many, including myself,” he wrote, “working at Google is a major part of their identity, almost like a cult with its own leaders and saints, all believed to righteously uphold the sacred motto of ‘Don’t be evil.'”

    Damore was fired at the start of this week after 3 1/2 years as an engineer for a post he wrote, laying out his view that men are biologically more well-suited than women for many tech jobs.

    He’s not apologizing.

    In a video interview with the conservative blogger Stefan Molyneux that was posted to YouTube earlier this week, Damore called Google a “dream job” with “huge benefits” and said he loved the company.

    Damore wrote in the op-ed that he “committed heresy against the Google creed by stating that not all disparities between men and women that we see in the world are the result of discriminatory treatment.”

    “As Noam Chomsky once observed, ‘the smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum,'” Damore wrote.

    Google is teaching my girl that ‘complaining to HR’ is path to success, says Peter Thiel-linked investor
    Eric Weinstein, managing director of Thiel Capital, said Google was teaching girls that their “path to financial freedom lies not in coding but in complaining to HR.”
    Weinstein’s comments drew criticism from users on social media.
    His comments came after a Google engineer was fired for circulating a memo that argued biological differences were the reason for the shortage of women at the company.

    Google is teaching girls that their path to “financial freedom” lies in “complaining to HR,” the managing director of a Peter Thiel investment fund said on Tuesday, drawing sharp criticism on social media.

    The comments, made by Eric Weinstein, the managing director of Thiel Capital, come after Google fired engineer James Damore for circulating a memo that argued biological differences were the reason for the shortage of women at the company.

    Many employees in Google were outraged by the memo. One employee Jaana Dogan, took to Twitter saying that she would leave the company if HR does nothing. The tweet was later deleted.

    Weinstein was not directly referencing Dogan in his tweet, but appeared to take issue with women who went to HR to raise their concerns.

    Weinstein’s tweet drew criticism from others in the technology industry. Venture capitalist Villi Iltchev, who works at August Capital, said he was “upset” by Weinstein’s tweet.

    The Thiel Capital managing director likened Damore’s dismissal from Google to firing a biologist for making a factual comment on biology but accusing him of sexual harassment.

    Why it may be illegal for Google to punish that engineer over his now viral anti-diversity memo

    First, federal labor law bars even non-union employers like Google from punishing an employee for communicating with fellow employees about improving working conditions. The purpose of the memo was to persuade Google to abandon certain diversity-related practices the engineer found objectionable and to convince co-workers to join his cause, or at least discuss the points he raised.

    Second, the engineer’s memo largely is a statement of his political views as they apply to workplace policies. The memo is styled as a lament to “Google’s Ideological Echo Chamber.” California law prohibits employers from threatening to fire employees to get them to adopt or refrain from adopting a particular political course of action.

    Third, the engineer complained in parts of his memo about company policies that he believes violate employment discrimination laws. Those policies include support programs limited by race or gender and promotional and hiring scoring policies that consider race and gender. It is unlawful for an employer to discipline an employee for challenging conduct that the employee reasonably believed to be discriminatory, even when a court later determines the conduct was not actually prohibited by the discrimination laws. In other words, the engineer doesn’t have to be right that some of Google’s diversity initiatives are unlawful, only that he reasonably believes that they are.


    Wharton’s Adam Grant claims: Differences between men and women are slim to none

    According to science, men and women are not all that different, says organizational psychologist and top-ranked Wharton business school professor Adam Grant.

    Of course he’s talking about moonbat science, not reality.

  7. Bodhisattva says:

    The ringleader is a hottie.

    ALL-GIRL ‘JIHADI GANG’ Trio of women – including a mum and daughter – accused of being UK’s first all-female terror group appear in court accused of plotting knife attack
    Mother and daughter and a third woman are charged with conspiracy to murder and preparing terror acts

    A court has previously heard claims the three woman planned to butcher bystanders in a plot they dubbed the Mad Hatter’s Tea Party.

  8. Bodhisattva says:

    Meanwhile terrorists have plans for us, too:

    Al Qaeda is about to take on a new target — America’s trains — in an upcoming edition of its terror magazine, Inspire.
    Issue No. 17 is headlined, “Train Derail Operations,” and will spell out ways to create rail disasters in a transportation system that lacks the stiff security procedures of airline travel.
    It’s competing Sunni extremists group, the Islamic State, for more than a year has advocated using vehicles to mow down innocents. Its murderous followers have weaponized vehicles in Nice, Berlin and London, creating hundred of deaths and injuries.
    Adding trains to the terrorist’s priority list would put at risk virtually every mode of transportation and placed added pressure on the U.S. Department of Homeland Security.

  9. Bodhisattva says:

    Maybe she should donate every cent she makes to “people of color” if she really thinks so.

    Sports Illustrated swimsuit model says success due to ‘white privilege’

    “I know I’m on this pedestal because of white privilege,” she said for a piece published Aug. 6. “To not see black or Latina women as famous in my industry is crazy! I have to talk about it.”

    I guess she forgot about Tyra Banks…

    And I suppose it was “black privilege” that got Tyra her shot… and these other women too?

    Adaora Akubilo

    Jessica (Ironically) White

    And really a bunch of others. My quick and dirty research indicates they’ve been putting black women on the covers of magazines since at least the 1960s, if not earlier, so maybe this would have been an issue BEFORE I WAS BORN but not since.

  10. Bodhisattva says:

    So apparently New Orleans depended on a single turbine to generate the electricity needed to run their pumping stations, with no backup plan. Now that turbine is down and they are worried about flooding, since much of New Orleans is below sea level and even further below the level of the Mississippi river.

    New Orleans braces for new flooding as it copes with power outages, failed pumping system

    Officials said this week that at least 14 of 120 drainage pumps located throughout the city were out of service during last weekend’s storm because of power shortages and because of a lack of basic maintenance.

    Among the residents affected was Pattye Brignac, 62, who said water levels rose to 3 feet in her neighborhood. During the storm, her cat drowned and her car was damaged by water.

  11. BPatMann says:

    Thought crime. Double-plus un-good.

  12. physicsnut says:

    they need to be spanked a whole lot more
    and tried in the court of public opinion

    Google is BIG BROTHER
    the Left thinks Orwell wrote an Instruction Manual rather than a warning.

    as Paul Joseph Watson pointed out
    using another search engine doesn’t mean squat.
    The creeps at Google figure that you will grumble
    but what are you going to do about it ? And you will
    just get used to it and KNUCKLE UNDER eventually.

    one thing is to use their own tactics against them
    The SJWs band together and downvote some site
    which is then demoted or de-monetized. The problem is
    “YouTube has also rolled out a “trusted flagger” program,
    in which 15 “expert NGOs and institutions” to help them
    identify hate speech and extremism on their platform.”
    SO … they have this thing locked up.

    Well – if they want a culture war – i suggest we prepare
    for one, and wise up. The first thing is to make a huge
    stink about their totalitarian behavior, and expose what
    they are up to. Since MediaMatters organizes crusades
    against Hannity an O’Reilly and Rush – something similar
    can be done against Google and Facebook and Youtube.
    But that needs some research to find out what hurts them.

    do google PAUL JOSEPH WATSON
    the most recent 3 videos spell out what is going on

  13. physicsnut says:

    yay – more upvotes
    Google needs more SPANKing or CANEing
    and should be made to sit int he corner with a DUNCE CAP on

    we should organize a digital militia

  14. physicsnut says:

    i was watching c-span last night and they broadcast NETROOTS
    the leftoid wackos who were DOUBLING DOWN
    and “intersectionality”

  15. physicsnut says:

    google is BEELZEBUB

  16. Mr. Freemarket says:

    Whom they worship as God. Their child sacrifice demonstrates their devotion to him.

  17. Occam's Stubble says:

    Next up: Tesla announces their new production facility in Mexico/China/South Korea.

  18. Occam's Stubble says:

    “Never interrupt your enemy while he is making a mistake.”
    – Napoleon Bonaparte

  19. physicsnut says:

    Sheesh – i have Occam’s works around here somewhere

  20. Mr. Freemarket says:

    Let me guess…..

    They all belong to the Church of England….Crusades’ Branch.

  21. Mr. Freemarket says:

    Here’s the funny thing…..there are a lot of white men who live in the US. For some reason, they think viewing half-naked white gals is fun.

    Go figure.

    BTW, the swimsuit issue of SI in Uganda features all black models.

  22. Mr. Freemarket says:

    Did Home Depot run out of extension cords?

  23. Eddie_Valiant says:

    Picture from a New Hampshire newspaper that sparked “outrage” – yes that New Hampshire – the “Live Free or Die” state.

    One guess what the “outrage”was all about.

  24. Eddie_Valiant says:

    Shapiro is brilliant. Not only is he the sharpest knife in the draw, he makes all the other knives look like spoons!

  25. geeknerd says:

    I thought this site hated Ben because he wasn’t 110% behind Trump! from the beginning. Everyone who wasn’t 110% behind Trump! from the beginning was just as bad as them damned NeverTrumpsters. That’s how I was treated on this site.

  26. The LIEberal Media ☆ ᵀᴿᵁᴹᴾ says:

    I hate to give “shmelebrities” any notoriety they don’t deserve but in this case, well.. see for yourselves..

    Rosie O’Donnell Calls Kim Jong Un ‘Sir.’ Tells Him Trump Is A Moron.

  27. Cecil Henry says:

    Another one deserving on an extended vacation in North Korea to gain ‘understanding’

  28. KirklesWorth says:

    This site? This site and its conservative anti-Trumpers have mostly loved Ben, as he was one of the first to proclaim that he wasn’t going to sacrifice his conservative ideals to vote for a non-conservative candidate. Several here used Ben’s comments as the prime reasons for why they would not vote for Trump regardless of the left-shifting consequences. The fact that the logical outcome would have been Hillary (which would have been monumentally worse) has been hotly debated on this site since Trump became the nominee.

  29. StephaneDumas says:

    I guess these snowflakes didn’t cared when a black man drowned and being filmed while no one helped him last July.

    Countdown before the trigglypuffs will be triggered by this meme in 5…4…3…2…1…

  30. Bodhisattva says:

    An inappropriate response, but what did the idiot who threw the rock expect? To get away with it?

    A counter protester had allegedly thrown a rock at a Dodge Charger at a rally where thousands of white nationalists were expected to gather for an alt-right event in Charlottesville, Virginia, on Saturday, causing the driver to swivel around and ram into people and cars in its way, before driving off. Local police reported there were at least 20 people hit and three vehicles were involved in the crash.
    People are heard screaming and crying in the aftermath of the smash, as blood was splattered on a car’s windshield and victims were desperately calling out for medical help.

    As usual, left wingers start trouble at a right wing event and it’s going to be blamed on the right wing.

  31. Bodhisattva says:

    Except this is the sort of thing – that advocates shooting politicians – that one would expect from the left.

    There is a certain ironic truth to it – if you don’t get the death penalty, that is. But either way, your problem is solved.

  32. Bodhisattva says:

    I still can’t believe they had no backup plan… but that’s New Orleans for you. The city and the state have a history of being run by crooked moonbats.

  33. Bodhisattva says:

    I wonder if there’s any video of these “hundreds” of protesters and how many of them are here legally?


    Note they tell the same story twice with different times given, apparently trying to give the impression there were two marches?

  34. Bodhisattva says:

    Global temperatures COOLER now than when Gore won Nobel Prize in 2007

    Global temps were warmer when Al Gore won the 2007 Nobel Prize than today, even after the 2015/16 super El Nino.

    Al Gore was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize based on warnings of future events — the same future events that have not happened. The fact is that global temperatures from 2006-2007 while Gore was basking in the glory of his apocalypse-driven fame were warmer than they are now, and we are still falling off the Super El Niño peak. Additionally, much of the time in-between was lower than what it was in the run-up to ‘An Inconvenient Truth. Fact: Without monkeying around and ‘finding’ warming, temps have changed very little during 20 year AGW hysteria period.

    Scientists Criticize ‘Hottest Year on Record’ Claim as Hype

    Claims that 2016 was “the hottest year on record” are drawing sharp criticism from scientists who say it reflects how global warming has become more social crusade than evidence-based science.

    “The Obama administration relentlessly politicized science and it aggressively pushed a campaign about that politicized science,” said Steven E. Koonin, who served as under secretary for science in Obama’s Department of Energy from 2009 to 2011.

    Koonin, a theoretical physicist at New York University who once worked for energy giant BP, also blamed a “happily complicit” media for trumpeting the now-departed Obama administration’s dubious claim.

    The controversy began in mid-January when the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration issued a report declaring that “the globally averaged temperature over land and ocean surfaces for 2016 was the highest among all years since record-keeping began in 1880.”

    NOAA fixed the 2016 increase at 0.04 degrees Celsius. The British Met Office reported an even lower rise, of 0.01C. Both increases are well within the margin of error for such calculations, approximately 0.1 degrees, and therefore are dismissed by many scientists as meaningless.

    The reports, however, set the global warming bell towers ringing. Gavin Schmidt, head of NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies, was quoted at Climate Central referring to the past temperature record and saying “2016 has really blown that out of the water.”

    Following the lead of the Schmidt and government press releases, USA Today wrote that “the planet sizzled to its third straight record warm year in 2016.” The New York Times’ front-page headline said, “Earth Sets Temperature Record for Third Straight Year.” The article declared that the latest readings were “trouncing” earlier numbers and the planet had thus “blown past” the previous records.

    Such characterizations are absurd, according to Richard Lindzen, a meteorology professor at MIT and one of the world’s foremost skeptics that global warming represents an existential threat.

    “It’s typical misleading nonsense,” Lindzen said in an e-mail. “We’re talking about less than a tenth of degree with an uncertainty of about a quarter of a degree. Moreover, such small fluctuations – even if real – don’t change the fact that the trend for the past 20 years has been much less than models have predicted.”

    Koonin suggested the White House and the media could consider an alternative presentation of what’s happening.

    “I think simply by having the government press releases on the changing climate be fulsomely scientific – that is, putting in all the relevant facts – we would see more genuine science in the media discussions,” he said.

    As an example, he offered a headline that read, “Global Temperatures Up 0.0X for 2016; Within Margin of Error for Last N Years.” Rather than exclaim “Sea Levels Highest on Record,” Koonin said, the press releases could encourage, and perhaps media outlets accept, one that reads, “Sea Level Rose 0.1 Inches Last Year, Consistent With Century-Long Trend.”

    Climate Depot’s New ‘Talking Points’ Report – A-Z Debunking of Climate Claims

    The “Talking Points Memo,” by Marc Morano of CFACT’s Climate Depot, is a complete skeptics’ guide for elected officials, media and the public on how to discuss global warming backed up by dozens of citations to peer-reviewed research.
    “Make no mistake, climate campaigners who tout UN agreements and EPA regulations as a way to control Earth’s temperature and storminess are guilty of belief in superstition,” he added.

  35. Bodhisattva says:

    Democrats still coming up empty when it comes to evidence, but not for lack of trying!

    Democrats Renew Push to Probe Deutsche Bank Russia Scandal

    A handful of Democratic lawmakers have renewed their effort to get a powerful House Republican to investigate Deutsche Bank AG’s loans to President Donald Trump and the bank’s role in helping Russians move billions of dollars from Moscow to the west.

    In a letter to Jeb Hensarling of Texas, chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, Representative Maxine Waters of California, the committee’s ranking Democrat, urged him to issue subpoenas to Deutsche Bank. She wants to force the German lender to disclose its internal review of the so-called “mirror-trading” scandal that has cost the bank more than $600 million in fines and penalties, and a separate review it conducted concerning Trump, who borrowed more than $300 million in real estate loans years before running for office.

    This is Waters’s fourth attempt to investigate Deutsche Bank. She first urged Hensarling to start a probe in March. In the absence of a response, she then wrote to Deutsche Bank’s chief executive officer, John Cryan, in May, demanding documents and records connected to the Russian scandal and the president’s accounts. The bank declined, saying it could turn over sensitive records only in response to a congressional subpoena, issued by the head of a committee.

    Last month, Waters used a parliamentary maneuver to force a response from Hensarling. Republicans voted down the motion.

  36. Bodhisattva says:

    Scientists working on moonbat logic achieved a breakthrough

    New study shows that chimps’ ability to learn simple circular relationships is on a par with that of your typical moonbat (who has the equivalent of the brain of a 4-year-old child).

  37. Bodhisattva says:

    And a good number of them probably don’t mind viewing half naked “women of color” either.

  38. Bodhisattva says:

    Fortunately they’re still going off on tangents that are more likely to lose than gain votes:

    DNC Deputy Chairman Keith Ellison demands Democrats defend ‘intersectionality’

    Democratic National Committee Deputy Chairman Keith Ellison is a powerful player in the party’s efforts to reconfigure before the 2018 midterm elections. After losing ground with the white working class in 2016, and suffering devastating down-ballot loses over the course of the Obama administration, Democrats are on a mission to more effectively pitch their policies to skeptical voters.

    Ellison, a Democratic congressman from Minnesota, implored progressives gathered at Netroots Nation on Friday to embrace the philosophy of intersectionality. “All of us in this room have got to defend intersectionality as a concept,” he said from the stage, drawing cheers from the crowd.

  39. physicsnut says:

    then the public will understand exactly what the f they are talking about

  40. Ol' Uncle Lar says:

    Go ahead and do it Jeb, and while you’re at it investigate Maxine’s relationship with First Union Bank.

  41. Ol' Uncle Lar says:

    Might lose a pound or two while she’s there. I understand that grass and bark soup will make you drop the pounds like magic.

  42. Mr. Freemarket says:

    I always found it amusing that National Geographic would show naked women….so long as they were “women of color.”

  43. J.j. Cintia says:


  44. Bodhisattva says:

    Well it’s alright to flaunt the nudity of savages… who will probably never see the magazine… and even if they do wouldn’t know the first thing about hiring a lawyer.

    And they also showed naked children – can get you banned for life as a sex offender if you try that today.

  45. Bodhisattva says:

    Getting back to the original article, particularly this bit:

    “To not see black or Latina women as famous in my industry is crazy! I have to talk about it.”

    Of course she has no clue how small and fleeting her fame is. Or maybe she does and she is trying to inflate it. For we would not have heard of her were it not for this article. She has had her 15 minutes and the next thing we might hear about her is how she ended up homeless or died of a drug overdose.

  46. Mr. Freemarket says:

    I’m a simple man. I respond to whatever direction my hormones lead me.

  47. QuintusFabiusMaximus says:


  48. Bodhisattva says:

    There is truth to the claim that while we are perhaps genetically predisposed to desire certain things, experience can influence and even override that initial predisposition – though now there’s a strong attempt to claim this is not true, particularly with homosexuality.

    The moonbats insist we MUST ACCEPT and MUST NOT QUESTION their claim that some people are “born that way” and “can’t help it” – this is more “settled science” beyond any further discussion, debate or challenge and certainly not any possible change, just like any time they get a court decision the way they want it to go it becomes “settled law” and is not subject to further discussion, debate or challenge and certainly not any possible change.

    This is being taught at all levels – one of my current associates is a (self-proclaimed?) expert in psychology and he insists people are indeed “born that way” in more ways than just sexual PREFERENCE – for instance some people are born criminals, apparently, others are born rapists, child molesters, murderers, liars, cheats, etc. The current favorite thinking comes from one Steven Pinker and can be found in his screed “The Blank Slate”. The man may be brilliant, I have to give him some credit, but even the most brilliant man in any field can make mistakes and his conclusions about us being hard wired IN SO MANY WAYS at birth are demonstrably false. On the other hand, it is also clear that even across languages and cultures there are certain ways that people tend to develop – linguistically, for instance – babies tend to make the same sounds first no matter where they are born, but this is not due to genetics or brain wiring so much as it is certain sounds are easier to make, more likely than not. Certain sounds take less complicated brain/muscle interaction. Other more complex sounds take coordinated complex muscle movements (lungs/diaphragm, vocal chords, lips, tongue, etc.).

    And given the new rule from the moonbats that we just have to accept that people are born certain ways and can’t help it, how long can it be before we are told we just have to accept pedophilia, rape and other crimes as “just the way some people are”? That is the ultimate end to which their logic brings us, after all. If we justify homosexuality or transgender because we have to accept the way they are, why stop there? Why not be consistent and apply the rule to everything. Though they deny it, the claim that some things hurt people while others don’t is a non-starter. Because these things (homosexuality, transgender, etc.) hurt not only those who CHOOSE such major life paths but also others, though they deny that, too.

    Hormones may make you desire something, but as with people who have the “diseases” of alcoholism or drug addiction, what ever happened to having the will to say no? And if those people must be excused for not being able to say no, why can’t we extend the same rule to the other things I talked about above?

  49. Bodhisattva says:

    And some Asian versions feature women with decidedly slanted eyes and such, or as my friend puts it, “fish faces”?

  50. Mr. Freemarket says:

    Excellent thoughts. Here’s another.

    Leftists claim that white people are born racists (Obama’s reference to his grandmother comes to mind). Therefore, if I’m born a racist, they why criticize me for the way I was born? That’s like criticizing a homosexual for being born gay.

    Of course the real truth is much more complex. You and I lived with our Father in Heaven as spirits (where He is the father of all spirits). When we were born, our spirits inhabit the body that our parents created for us. We bring a number of things into this life, but we, of course, have forgotten our past. But…we are to an extent hardwired from birth.

    We live, we learn, we grow, we experience, and, most importantly, we make decisions and hopefully learn from our decisions. Our goal in this life is to learn to make the best decisions possible, learn from our mistakes, and become more like our Father.

    Of course, our Father is Perfect. As a perfect being, no unclean or imperfect thing can live with him. Therefore, in order to qualify to live with him again, we have to be made perfect and cleanse ourselves from the effects of our imperfect decisions. And we cannot do that by our own efforts. We need a savior in order to become perfect and worthy to live with Our Father.

    And so, the most profitable use of our time is to work to become more like our Savior.

    Which, of course, means that I should spend less time mocking my brothers and sisters on Moonbattery. But I still have many vices that I must overcome.

  51. Bodhisattva says:

    But…we are to an extent hardwired from birth.

    This is exactly the point that is subject to a great deal of debate and the atheists who follow people like Steven Pinker use it as an excuse to claim we are a lot more “hard wired” than I think reality proves. It seems that most of the better known “scientists” are atheists and love to make sure we know that. I for one don’t think it’s very scientific to claim that everything came from nothing for no reason with no cause. But that’s just me.

    Take the current idea that you cannot fix a pedophile. Perhaps not – maybe there are behaviors that burn themselves into our brain such that the paths become unbreakable. I would like to think not. I would think with the proper desire on the part of the person as a necessary first step any change in behavior is possible – but that can be a dangerous path, the one the Catholic Church took, and you can see where it got them. They forgot the other necessary step: Trust in a cure but not the person. Verify that the cure is valid. Do not allow a proven offender to be placed in a situation where they can revert. This is a lot like letting someone who has let peer pressure corrupt them go right back to the same peer group after gaining their promise that they will change their behavior. Once they’re back in the same group the same pressure tends to elicit the same unwanted behaviors.

    So just how “hard wired” are we? Certainly there are things that seem to be encoded in our DNA – but the question is how and why. Sometimes people who want to believe this overreach and attribute certain results to this when there are alternate explanations. Preference for a certain color or style may have some DNA based influence, but it is likely on a very basic level that is also influenced by experience. The big debate has always been how much of who we are is based on our DNA and relatively immutable and how much is based on our experience and is subject to modification. Plus what things become harder to change? Certainly there are pathways in the brain that become well forged and difficult to break – this is the root of addiction and habit.

    I am not so sure we are mocking. Perhaps as an outlet for being mocked we do so to some degre as a healthy alternative to doing violence against them, which actually puts us at a disadvantage of sorts because they openly talk about at least a desire to do violence toward us. But is stating that they clearly need to either get some medication or have their dosage adjusted mocking when it’s simply stating a demonstrable fact?

    And when they start throwing rocks at an already unstable guy driving in his car, well recent events show us what results. I have a close friend who is essentially a moonbat who said that both sides hate and it is true that there are some, particularly on the far right, who I argue are also a type of moonbats, but my experience has been that the Democrats use hate as a tool much more often (and, sadly, very effectively) than conservatives.

    Perhaps if they weren’t so busy denying the existence of a higher power (and a corresponding higher purpose) they wouldn’t be so lost?

  52. Mr. Freemarket says:

    “It seems that most of the better known “scientists” are atheists ”

    “Better known”; not “better.” Henry Eyring, a guy who had a lot to do with the development of activation energy in chemistry, used to poll scientists that he talked to, asking them if the order we observe is better explained by the existence of a higher power or not. He claimed he received more in favor than against.

    BTW Eyring should have probably received the Nobel Prize in chemistry, but he tended to not be very politically correct.

    “The big debate has always been how much of who we are is based on our DNA and relatively immutable and how much is based on our experience and is subject to modification. With the application of will can any DNA encoded preference be overcome?”

    I believe that many “preferences” can be overcome. I belong to the LDS Church (Mormons). I’ve seen a lot of people change their lives over time. Religious conversion is probably one of the more fundamental beliefs that people have.

    “they openly talk about at least a desire to do violence toward us.”

    Yes, they do. Yet we are generally the people who own guns.

    “If I ever get surrounded by a hostile mob I am going to proceed whatever direction I must to escape the situation whether they move out of the way or not”

    A wise position to take. The laws of physics say that a two ton car wins in a confrontation with a mob, and the laws of physics are not going to be repealed.

    “Perhaps if they weren’t so busy denying the existence of a higher power (and a corresponding higher purpose) they wouldn’t be so lost?”

    Wise words.

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