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Oct 16 2017

Open Thread

In the end, more than freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all – security, comfort, and freedom. When the Athenians finally wanted not to give to society but for society to give to them, when the freedom they wished for most was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free and was never free again. - Edward Gibbon



127 Responses to “Open Thread”

  1. Bodhisattva says:

    I just saw a headline that read, “Adam Sandler Does His Best Work Yet”.

    Which is not saying much.

  2. Bodhisattva says:

    AND WHAT KIND OF LUNATICS ARE THE REPUBLICANS RUNNING?

    http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/article178813586.html

    Miami politician says aliens took her on a spaceship. Now she’s running for Congress.

    God, I hope they have someone better running for this seat.

    Is keeping this seat red worth putting this nut in office?

    Then again, better than THIS nut:

    http://www.theamericanmirror.com/video-pelosi-stumbles-saying-natural-struggles-recall-obama-appointees-name/

    VIDEO: Pelosi suffers more brain freezes, trips over saying ‘natural’

    While attempting to recall a number of people she had spoken with, she seemed to try to gloss over that she couldn’t recall the name of one of them.

  3. Bodhisattva says:

    WHAT HAPPENED!

    Clinton comes up with a new theory about why she lost the election:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4984972/Clinton-apologetic-missing-BBC-interview.html

    ‘I was running downstairs in heels with a cup of coffee and fell backwards!’

  4. Bodhisattva says:

    New York Moonbats forced gay culture on us… now some are paying the ultimate price – having to see it right outside their homes:

    https://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20171016/central-harlem/million-dollar-condos-have-great-views-of-public-sex-marcus-garvey-park

    Marie Gelot didn’t realize what an eyeful she’d get when she bought her million-dollar apartment overlooking Marcus Garvey Park.

    “I saw a lot of b—jobs, guys having sex, guys masturbating, I really saw the whole gamut,” Gelot said.

    “There were days where I could see a guy giving another guy a b—job and not far away, a girl reading a newspaper on a sunny day not realizing what was happening 20 feet behind her,” she said.

    Construction workers noticed it when the building was being constructed, doorman David Lamboy said.

    At first, he thought the construction crew was exaggerating. But when a resident asked him to water the plants while she was on vacation, Lamboy saw it with his own eyes.

    The most popular spot, according to residents, is an area just off the path leading up to the top of the park’s hill. The spot sits on the southeast side, just off a footpath that is littered with open condom wrappers.

    When a DNAinfo New York reporter visited the area Thursday afternoon, one man was seen performing oral sex on another man. Below them, at grade level in the park, older people played chess on park benches, while dogs frolicked and a group of kids played a flag football game on the field.

    Joseph Manley, who lives near the park on 123rd St., also saw the men in the act.

    “This is ridiculous,” said Manley, who takes his dog to the park and has seen men walking around naked. “I tell them to take that sh–t somewhere else because there are children in the park. The kids see it, the tourists see it, some of them take pictures sometimes.”</b.

    It wasn't just gay sex. But I thought I'd highlight that. Read the article at the link for the full scoop.

  5. HARVEY POON GRABBER STEIN says:

    .
    I think she broke her toes from kicking Bubba in the butt in yet another fit of rage about the election.. probably triggered by POTUS Trump appearing on TV..
    .

  6. THOUGHTCRIMINAL2084 says:

    they lie to us with such flare out of outright detest for us.

  7. TED says:

    Those that would give up FREEDOM for SECURITY DESERVE NEITHER!!!

  8. TED says:

    MURDERING WOMEN AND RAPING HIS MOTHER, OF COURSE HE’S ANOTHER LEFTIST MORAL LEADER!!!

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6daa33886f470646ad22ef526f62275c32df84dc2b64253f37eab59f2b68d2d8.jpg

  9. TED says:

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ff2f7c8f19f15de4f7ffd9d01ae5ea5c805159b13ef3516d1e5aaf48e0df2b77.jpg
    AND OF COURSE, “THE CLINTONS”, ARE RIGHT IIN THE MIDDLE AGAIN!!!
    YET THEY ARE STILL WALKING AROUND!!!!!!!!!!!!

  10. TED says:

    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/976fe72c2340ccf2497eb8aed2db35960ad0526bbe733eacdd2960cb9dcaa3ed.jpg
    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  11. Mr. Freemarket says:

    I can’t hardly believe this article is serious.

    Then I remember how foolish progressives can be.

  12. Mr. Freemarket says:

    There isn’t enough money to entice a sane person to move to New York.

  13. Mr. Freemarket says:

    Real men call them “kilts.”

  14. Mr. Freemarket says:

    Do as I say, not as I do.

  15. StephaneDumas says:

    Funny thing, was Eminem supported Trump back in 2004.
    https://youtu.be/T4q0S_Js3E8

  16. Steve2 says:

    The next gun grab is already geared up folks, we need to get pro-active NOW to preserve our gun rights. Here is a good synopsis of what’s going on from Military Arms Channel.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCLoIorYguU&t=576s

  17. Steve2 says:

    If video starts at the end just rewind to the beginning.

  18. Torcer says:

    One of it’s favorite tactics is to post a declarative statement based on information it does not have and then try to imply ‘proof’ with a link:
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4075ac618c4e1625cbf96f0e17a5e6f1018527477f08f648cecb8aac4616c473.jpg
    In this case, it’s “Proof” was a link back to my original statement. But that is irrelevant anyway since it cannot definitively make that statement anyway.

  19. Torcer says:

    No, you don’t get to change the terms of the debate.

    KirklesWorth
    All I have to do is prove that you hated Trump more than Hillary and were willing to surrender the election to her – that would really advance the national socialist left.
    http://moonbattery.com/?p=88765#comment-3570332650

    Once again, YOU made the allegation, YOU have to prove the allegation.
    The fact that you are trying to play games with your false assertions speaks volumes.

  20. Torcer says:

    KirklesWorth

    Sure I addressed the issue that you wanted Trump defeated more than Hillary – thus “advancing the national socialist left”. http://moonbattery.com/?p=88765#comment-3570376457

    Once again, YOU made the allegation, YOU have to prove the allegation.
    The fact that you are trying to play games with your false assertions speaks volumes.

    Note that it STILL Doesn’t address the issue.
    Once again, one of the key indicators on someone’s veracity is how consistent they are. When someone makes statements that are contradictory, it is a prime indication they are making things up and cannot be truthful. In this case it claims that I’m somehow:

    “advancing the national socialist left”

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7b16715c3eb4987b8a33095c5249da271ff7c1833341ff844ddcda1a78dbefbe.jpg
    Once again, YOU have to explain my vehement opposition to the vile, immoral and parasitic organized evil that is Socialism and it Leadership therein.

    Unless you can DIRECTLY address that issue, you are a liar.

  21. KirklesWorth says:

    Attack thread #1.

  22. KirklesWorth says:

    Attack thread #2.

  23. KirklesWorth says:

    Attack thread #3.

  24. KirklesWorth says:

    What a drama queen.

  25. Torcer says:

    KirklesWorth
    Attack thread #3.

    KirklesWorth

    Sure I addressed the issue that you wanted Trump defeated more than Hillary – thus “advancing the national socialist left”. http://moonbattery.com/?p=88765#comment-3570376457

    Once again, YOU made the allegation, YOU have to prove the allegation.
    The fact that you are trying to play games with your false assertions speaks volumes.

    Note that it STILL Doesn’t address the issue.
    Once again, one of the key indicators on someone’s veracity is how consistent they are. When someone makes statements that are contradictory, it is a prime indication they are making things up and cannot be truthful. In this case it claims that I’m somehow:

    “advancing the national socialist left”

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7b16715c3eb4987b8a33095c5249da271ff7c1833341ff844ddcda1a78dbefbe.jpg
    Once again, YOU have to explain my vehement opposition to the vile, immoral and parasitic organized evil that is Socialism and it Leadership therein.

    Unless you can DIRECTLY address that issue, you are a liar.

  26. Torcer says:

    KirklesWorth

    What a drama queen.

    Ah yes, more name calling on your part…

    One of it’s favorite tactics is to post a declarative statement based on information it does not have and then try to imply ‘proof’ with a link:
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4075ac618c4e1625cbf96f0e17a5e6f1018527477f08f648cecb8aac4616c473.jpg
    In this case, it’s “Proof” was a link back to my original statement. But that is irrelevant anyway since it cannot definitively make that statement anyway.

  27. KirklesWorth says:

    Urban Dictionary: Drama queen: <a href="http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=drama%20queen&quot;:an overly dramatic person. Mary blows everything out of proportion! She’s such a drama queen! Please refer to Torcer’s Histrionics and Faux Persecution Complex

  28. KirklesWorth says:

    Please indicate what I haven’t proven to your satisfaction:

    I. Torcer the “victim”.
    . . A. Histrionics and faux persecution complex.
    . . B. Says I am “aggressor” yet makes Torcer Attack Threads™
    II. Torcer has rules for others and leftist tactics
    . . A. Demands replies contrary to previous free speech claims.
    . . B. Demands civility yet <a href="childishly uses derogatory pronoun “it”.
    . . C. Tactic “where did I…[advocate/say/state/etc.]”
    . . D. Starts new threads to “eviscerate”
    . . E. Question evasion via semantics (coming soon)
    III. Torcer and the 2016 Election
    . . A. Torcer the NeverTrumper
    . . . .1. Posted multiple times “We tried to inform you”.
    . . . .2. Considered Donald Trump the worst.
    . . . .3. Says Trump will lose and other observations.
    . . . .4. Rejects valid reasons to vote for Trump.
    . . . .5. The stash of 2.875-to-1 Trump articles vs.Hillary.
    . . . .6. MB used 2.75-to-1 of Torcer‘s Trump tips vs. Hillary.
    . . . .7. Defends with “how many articles have you posted?”
    . . B. Torcer versus Trump supporters
    . . . . 1. Contempt of Trump supporters.
    . . . . 2. Required people to “sell” Trump…to the NeverTrumper
    . . . . 3. Thought defeating Hillary was an insufficient reason.
    . . . . 4. Attacked conservative Trump supporters on 9/7/17.
    . . . . 5. Tried to use polls against Trump supporters.
    . . . . 6. Blamed Trump supporters.
    . . C. Torcer won’t divulge purpose of defeating Trump
    . . . . 1. Had no candidate and no plan to defeat Hillary
    . . . . 2. Knew the election was down to two candidates
    . . D. Torcer with just over a week before the election:
    . . . . 1. Declared Trump will lose
    . . . . 2. Still tried to steer votes away from Trump
    . . . . 3. Still did not suggest a candidate
    . . E. Torcer on the day before the election:
    . . . . 1. Surrendered to Hillary
    . . . . 2. “Absolved” NeverTumpers.
    . . . . 3. Blamed Trump supporters for “disaster”.
    IV. Torcer and others on Moonbattery
    . . A. Tries “currying [the] favor” of @Bodhisattva:disqus.
    . . B. Schooled by Alphamail.
    . . C. Schooled by Ed. G. Mann.
    . . D. Schooled by Fiberal
    . . E. Schooled by Tom.
    . . F. Schooled by Others Part 1.
    . . G. Schooled by Others Part 2.

  29. TED says:

    Hmmmmmm, must have needed work…

  30. TED says:

    EXACTLY.

  31. Torcer says:

    KirklesWorth
    Urban Dictionary: Drama queen: an overly dramatic person. Mary blows everything out of proportion! She’s such a drama queen! Please refer to Torcer’s Histrionics and Faux Persecution Complex
    http://moonbattery.com/?p=88877#comment-3571676224

  32. Torcer says:

    KirklesWorth
    All I have to do is prove that you hated Trump more than Hillary and were willing to surrender the election to her – that would really advance the national socialist left.
    http://moonbattery.com/?p=88765#comment-3570332650

    So let me get this straight…

    You’re going to try to get out of an obvious LIE by pretending that you somehow KNOW the emotions of someone else in another time period….. Riiiiiiigggghhhttt…
    Hahahahahaha!

    Maybe we should call your Carnac the Magnificent!

    Well, if you’re going to Lie, you might as well lie BIG!

  33. Torcer says:

    Could someone please explain to KirklesWorth the concept of FREE – SPEECH.

  34. KirklesWorth says:

    Attack thread #4 today.

    You wanted Trump defeated and had no plan to defeat Hillary – YES or NO.

    I rest my case.

    My evidence:

    I. Torcer the “victim”.
    . . A. Histrionics and faux persecution complex.
    . . B. Says I am “aggressor”, makes Torcer Attack Threads™
    II. Torcer has rules for others and leftist tactics
    . . A. Demands replies contrary to free speech claims.
    . . B. Demands civility, <a href="childishly uses derogatory pronoun “it”.
    . . C. Tactic “where did I…[advocate/say/state/etc.]”
    . . D. Starts new threads to “eviscerate”
    . . E. Question evasion via semantics (coming soon)
    III. Torcer and the 2016 Election
    . . A. Torcer the NeverTrumper
    . . . .1. Posted multiple times “We tried to inform you”.
    . . . .2. Considered Donald Trump the worst.
    . . . .3. Says Trump will lose and other observations.
    . . . .4. Rejects valid reasons to vote for Trump.
    . . . .5. The stash of 2.875-to-1 Trump articles vs.Hillary.
    . . . .6. MB used 2.75-to-1 of Torcer‘s Trump tips vs. Hillary.
    . . . .7. Defends with “how many articles have you posted?”
    . . B. Torcer versus Trump supporters
    . . . . 1. Contempt of Trump supporters.
    . . . . 2. Required people to “sell” Trump…to the NeverTrumper
    . . . . 3. Thought defeating Hillary was an insufficient reason.
    . . . . 4. Attacked conservative Trump supporters on 9/7/17.
    . . . . 5. Tried to use polls against Trump supporters.
    . . . . 6. Blamed Trump supporters.
    . . C. Torcer won’t divulge purpose of defeating Trump
    . . . . 1. Had no candidate and no plan to defeat Hillary
    . . . . 2. Knew the election was down to two candidates
    . . D. Torcer with just over a week before the election:
    . . . . 1. Declared Trump will lose
    . . . . 2. Still tried to steer votes away from Trump
    . . . . 3. Still did not suggest a candidate
    . . E. Torcer on the day before the election:
    . . . . 1. Surrendered to Hillary
    . . . . 2. “Absolved” NeverTumpers.
    . . . . 3. Blamed Trump supporters for “disaster”.
    IV. Torcer and others on Moonbattery
    . . A. Tries “currying [the] favor” of @Bodhisattva:disqus.
    . . B. Schooled by Alphamail.
    . . C. Schooled by Ed. G. Mann.
    . . D. Schooled by Fiberal
    . . E. Schooled by Tom.
    . . F. Schooled by Others Part 1.
    . . G. Schooled by Others Part 2.

  35. KirklesWorth says:

    Oh, so when you say “attack” it’s a “free speech issue” – yet you went all hysterical about my free speech calling me the “originator oF attacks against Conservatives” (2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23), which of course was disproven here and here.

  36. Torcer says:

    Go back and READ what that was about….

    KirklesWorth
    Urban Dictionary: Drama queen: an overly dramatic person. Mary blows everything out of proportion! She’s such a drama queen! Please refer to Torcer’s Histrionics and Faux Persecution Complex
    http://moonbattery.com/?p=88877#comment-3571676224

  37. Torcer says:

    No, YOU have to PROVE YOUR Assertions.

  38. KirklesWorth says:

    Sorry, I don’t take your orders. I can’t help it if you don’t understand the colloquialism.

  39. KirklesWorth says:

    Get over yourself. I don’t give a damn about your orders nor your opinion of my evidence. If you want don’t want to provide a shred of evidence to the contrary, it is no skin off of my nose. These people saw right through you without all of the evidence I have accumulated:

    1. Alphamail: You convey yourself as brilliant but it’s arrogance in disguise and people have caught on that you’re a phony and a shill for hillary – where nearly all your posts would be greeted by cheers at HuffPo – if you’re not writing some of their posts under a different name.
    2. Angel: Again, I responded with logic. You are implying it. I asked you a question. “So your argument is that we should let the Dem radical leftist win?” You didn’t answer the question. If you can’t understand this, there is no sense continuing. It is pointless arguing with a complete idiot.
    3. Artfuldgr: dumping trump means hillary… duh
    4. Bully: What about the coming years having a Leftist SCOTUS? We can vote Trump out in four years but SCOTUS is seated for life. Just dim your torch a bit while you think about it.
    5. calmly_observing: What puerile attention seeker. You’re nothing more than a link poster with little intelligence to back it up.
    6. cjkcjk: You left out the biggest reason why Hillary might beat Trump …………………………..Because of petulant people like you who will take their ball and go home instead of voting against the Hag.
    7. concern00: Yes, but you fail to offer a solution. A Clinton presidency is not a solution.
    8. Cruz Control: I demand you answer this question: How will voting for a third party loser or not voting at all help keep Hillary out of the White House? Answer the question. You are such a pathetic fool…
    9. Deathstroke: “The left wants Donald to be the nominee so they can put Hillary in office, which is ALL THE MORE REASON to vote Trump.” You literally aren’t even reading what I’m posting.
    10. Duckster1964: #neverTrump = #I’mwithher 100%…If you aren’t for Trump you are for Hitlery and no amount of RINO spin will change that…
    11. Ed. G. Mann: No way. You’re the one posting that crap. There isn’t any reverse position. The only way to read these comments are: TORCER for hillary in 16
    12. F350: Not being a jerk here, but what viable alternative do you suggest? The other candidates are NOT going to WIN! It’s going to be Trump or Clinton, regardless of what your druthers are. We’ve been sold a bill-of-goods by the GOPe because they talk a good game, roll over, and show their bellies before the polling places are disassembled. Did the “principled” conservatives fight on immigration, Obamacare, or the budget? “What the hell do you have to lose” if Trump wins? What might you gain?
    13. Feet2Fire: Am not wasting time trying to awaken a bunch of sleepwalkers in denial. If you cannot see that HILLARY is far worse than Trump, nobody can help you.
    14. Fiberal: KirklesWorth’s list is quite a response to your question. So just what kind of discretion have you exhibited? Meaning that you were, are now and will always be a never-trumper with one mindless mission in life– to criticize Trump. You are with her.
    15. Gex: so why care about my actions……epic fail for you as well as epic hypocrisy…….i’m just following the example that you have given……sorry bout yer luck oswald
    16. grayjohn: No your hard work at making sure she will be president by trashing the only sane alternative. Enjoy the slavery she imposes.
    17. Grumpy Cat: Your head is a mug. The DNC propaganda arm is the jug. The jug pours into the mug and the mug pours into the Moonbattery jug. You enjoy working for the DNC?
    18. Guy Stumpman: Yes, but attempting to discuss them with people who suffer fro Trump Derangement Syndrome is pointless…so I won’t bore you with them.
    19. Hans Landa: Trump’s comments are what they are. Opinion comments by the GOPe punditry are what they are. Your self-professed omniscience as to what Trump will assuredly do is simply in question here. You were a big prognosticator for Trump’s demise not long ago due to polling, which has changed considerably from even recent weeks ago. And you’re one of Dave’s biggest fan-boys.
    20. IMPACT1: So, you are not Angry? And I read you wrong? I stated something I have as a gut (positive) feeling, and those usually start off in a sentence as I believe, I think….. You are set in your mind you are against Trump and me getting Facts and Figures to “prove” anything to you will just be a waste of my time…I will not be able to sway you no matter if I give you 1000 facts and figures….
    21. IslandLifer: You in particular seem to have a really hard problem comprehending why others don’t reply to your adolescent style of getting a point across. Someone will answer you very directly but you manage to ignore it and keep pestering to get the same answer in 100 different ways. I’ve seen this on other sites so I can’t blame anyone for ignoring your redundant replies.
    22. Jack Bauer: Not “research” Torcie’— merely clicking on your screen id. that shows the count. Some being repeat messages or not, it seems like it would take more than one person to make all of those posts. Some of us actually have lives with jobs, and family obligations that would preclude so much time spent on a single issue. Of course, if people want to read all the anti-Trump the stuff you post, they don’t need to come here. They can go to Huffpo or Democrat Underground and get the same thing….lol.
    23. JoeK: So NOT voting for Trump is NOT, like giving Hitlery 10 democRATic votes? Is that right? Is that what I’m supposed to believe? Or is it that by not voting for Trump, Hitlery will NOT take the presidency and Our Country the rest of the way to hell? Maybe I should just vote for Hitlery and Bill clinton to prove what an ass-hole Don J. Trump 2016 is?!! That’ll show them fucking Americans that we’ll gett’em next time!! Really???
    24. KatherineBranwen: Sorry, Torcer, but you won’t get your wish of a Clinton presidency. I know how hard that will be for you. After all, ‘proving’ your conservative bona fides depends on it, right?
    25. Miss Fortune: Yeah, vote for hillary, you will be very happy.
    26. Mogumbo Gono: “Trump’s losing will be all Trump’s fault”?? That is errant nonsense u2014 just like people believing it’s ‘Trump’s fault’ that he was nominated. But he beat all sixteen of his opponents, spending less than one-tenth the money they spent. How? He did it with the votes of millions of primary voters. And IF Trump loses, it will be the fault of all the disgruntled crybabies who didn’t get their way. See, in reality it’s YOUR fault. Your psychological “projection” doesn’t work. If you don’t support the nominee, then you’re just a Hillary head-nodder. (And: IANAR) This election comes down to only one question: Do you want Hillary? Or not Hillary?
    27. Momster: Torcer, Torcer…we get it…you and Dave hate Trump’s guts! you are jumping on him with the venom usually reserved for Hillary and Jimmy Carter! I used to really love coming to Moonbattery, but lately I am getting a little weary of the “hate Trump” meme (and not just yours). We do not all march in lockstep like the Dimocrats. Conservatives are allowed to stray off the reservation and have ideas of their own. I am not telling you to shut up, Keep on, but do realize that “dump Trump” posts can push Trump supporters more fimly into his camp.
    28. OldSailor: You must realize that if the RNC engineers a way to take the nomination from Trump quite a few million of his diehard supporters will either go 3rd party or just stay home in November. Say hello President Hillary if that happens, 100% certain (source – OldSailor people poll, focus group of 1, margin of error +/- 0.00%) Ask yourself … are you REALLY that desperate to dump Trump that you’re willing to give Hillary 4 years of SCOTUS and other Federal Court nominations?
    29. Paul621: Little Torcer, let me use little words for you, so that you’ll get it: Like many other Americans, I am hosting a Trump/Pence victory party at my home election night. Is that simple enough for you? Trump by a landslide.
    30. RoseD1st: you nevertrump nuts are the true RINOs
    31. Skip: You are not a conservative. And would you tell those who have followed and voted for the so-called conservatives for decades, what have they done for us in decades?
    32. Smith and Wesson and Me: Congratulations! “Torcer” has become the new lao of moonbattery. And a Canadian, to boot.
    33. Stephen: I really can’t dumb this down any further: You mimic smart people’s vocabularies, but you are obviously not terribly bright. I have no interest in debating you on anything because you are not capable of making or comprehending a rational argument. Don’t stalk me, go converse with someone else.
    34. The Deplorable EtoculusDei: Here is your Answer. Anyone who invites a poster to an argument and has a PRIVATE profile is a pathetic internet troll. He is a man…who faced with a million better choices….chooses to spend his entire day arguing with strangers on the internet. Have you ever considered how pathetic THAT is. YOU are a man who would argue all day with a stranger……over which side of a cue ball is more round. What butt cake you are. I think we’re done here. TROLL TRASH ALERT DONT FEED IT BEAT IT
    35. toheckwithyou: Spoken like a true uni-party supporter of Hillary.
    36. Tom: Are you a shill for hillary? YES – or – HELL, YES! ?
    37. Walter.R: So what is your bottom line because I find your conspiracy theories tiresome. What I read is you want hillary to win. Your analysis of Trump is weak (this is from someone who worked in finance, always turned down opportunities to finance Trump projects and laughed at those who actually did and got burned). If you are blind enough to be convinced by your own conspiracy theories that we need hillary as president then you not really a thinker…but simply a paranoid.
    38. Wewon Bigly: I’m voting for lesser of 2 evils. Just as I have every election since Bush the father. You are effectively supporting Hillary by not voting for Trump. How do you rationalize that? — I VOTED FOR CRUZ IN THE PRIMARIES
    39. yourfavoritedeplorableunkle: Demanding little cuss aren’t you. Those national polling numbers are nothing more than wishful thinking by the media all at the directive of the UNiParty.
    40. yourfavoriteunkle: 1. I addressed the issue in the first sentence. Just because you don’t like the facts doesn’t mean it’s not true. 2 Correct. Trump has been playing politics for a long time. Is it Trump’s fault the the UNiParty has turned OUR Congress and Senate in to a forum for legalized bribery? Doing what you need to do to remain successful in today’s business world is dirty business. They made the rules, he followed them. 3. I don’t deny the facts. Just because you’re butthurt that your guy can’t play the game as well is no reason to get your panties in a knot. 4 Here in AMERICA, it’s spelled F-A-V-O-R and not F-A-V-O-U-R. You didn’t think I missed that did you?
    41. Zachriel: We answered that question. Then you attempted to fallaciously load the question with a reference to something called the “national socialist media”. We answered your original question, then asked the relevance, something you have refused to engage.

  40. Bodhisattva says:

    Judge illegally blocks new travel restrictions AGAIN.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/17/us-judge-blocks-latest-trump-travel-restrictions-to-the-us-from-eight-countries.html

    This ban includes Iran, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Somalia, Chad and North Korea, as well as certain government officials from Venezuela.

    And they’re still insisting it’s just a Moslem ban in disguise.

    Besides the fact North Korea and Venezuela have few Moslems and the fact that, of the countries listed, only one appears on the list of the 10 nations with the lagest Muslim populations, they still continue the FARCE this is just a Muslim ban.

  41. Bodhisattva says:

    Clinton’s excuse for not returning money donated to their crime family foundation?

    They say they already spent it!

    http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/clinton-foundation-already-spent-harvey-weinsteins-donation-wont-return-money

    And oh, the irony on what it was spent!

    Weinstein gave over $35,000 to Clinton’s 2016 presidential campaign, and leading up to 2014, gave between $100,000 to $250,000 to the Clinton Foundation.

    Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-CT) has urged those on the receiving end of Weinstein’s donations to pass that amount on to organizations that combat sexual assault and though some have, it appears as if the Clintons would rather steer clear of doing the right thing, as usual.

    So, on what did The Clinton Foundation say it already spent Weinstein’s money? To support women and young girls around the world and on programs that lowered prices on HIV medication. If true, that’s quite ironic. However, when Chelsea Clinton was recently asked about this at a Clinton Global Initiative event, she ignored the question.

  42. Bodhisattva says:

    Trump, in less than a year, achieves what Obama could not in 8:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/raqqa-isis-battle-syria-defeat-latest-lost-us-sdf-rebel-monitoring-group-a8004581.html

    ISIS “capital” falls.

    Isis completely driven out of Syria ‘capital’ by US-backed forces
    Fall of city is a potent symbol of the movement’s collapsing fortunes… THANKS TO TRUMP and his strategy.

  43. Bodhisattva says:

    Even Moonbats who insist the border wall is “Trump’s Wall” slip up and admit it was there before Trump even announced he was running for office.

    https://www.indy100.com/article/usa-mexico-border-wall-picnic-donald-trump-president-daca-jr-street-artist-installation-divide-8005311?utm_source=indy&utm_medium=top5&utm_campaign=i100

    Walls run all along the border between the two countries…

    And another moonbat lie:

    Last month Donald Trump brought to an end the “Dreamers” program

    No, he did not. It is still in effect. He started a clock giving Congress time to either pass it into law THE LEGAL WAY or, if they fail to act, the illegal action of Obama will come to an end AT THE END OF THE PERIOD OF TIME SPECIFIED.

  44. Bodhisattva says:

    Forget about gun violence. Smart phones are killing people left and right!

    Smartphones Are Killing Americans, But Nobody’s Counting
    Amid a historic spike in U.S. traffic fatalities, federal data on the danger of distracted driving are getting worse.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-10-17/smartphones-are-killing-americans-but-nobody-s-counting

    Jennifer Smith doesn’t like the term “accident.” It implies too much chance and too little culpability.

    A “crash” killed her mother in 2008, she insists, when her car was broadsided by another vehicle while on her way to pick up cat food. The other driver, a 20-year-old college student, ran a red light while talking on his mobile phone, a distraction that he immediately admitted and cited as the catalyst of the fatal event.

    “He was remorseful,” Smith, now 43, said. “He never changed his story.”

    Yet in federal records, the death isn’t attributed to distraction or mobile-phone use. It’s just another line item on the grim annual toll taken by the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration [NHTSA]—one of 37,262 that year. Three months later, Smith quit her job as a realtor and formed Stopdistractions.org, a nonprofit lobbying and support group. Her intent was to make the tragic loss of her mother an anomaly.

    To that end, she has been wildly unsuccessful. Nine years later, the problem of death-by-distraction has gotten much worse.

    I’ve been hit twice by people who were looking at their cell phones instead of what is going on around or ahead of them while driving.

  45. Bodhisattva says:

    Nah, did kick Bubba, but it was yet another “bimbo eruption”.

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  48. Torcer says:

    The important point here is that I’m merely defending myself from it’s incessant attacks.
    Note that when it gets backed into a corner by it’s own actions it tends to lash out.

    Bodhisattva mentioned a while back that he thought we were on the same side and at one point I was under the impression that was the case.. especially since it was during the primaries, etc. But now there is no point to it’s attacks, the primaries are long over and everyone should be focused on the future instead of what happened last year.

    Keep in mind several relevant points that everyone should consider in evaluating who the mysterious KirklesWorth

    Ask yourself these questions:

    Why does KirklesWorth attack Conservatives?

    Why can’t KirklesWorth answer a direct question with a direct answer?

    Why does KirklesWorth avoid questions with red herrings, refusals or demand answers to other questions?

    Why does KirklesWorth make things up?

    Why does KirklesWorth then demand other disprove it’s spurious allegations?

    Why does KirklesWorth engage in circular logic to dodge questions?

  49. KirklesWorth says:

    Help! Help! I’m being attacked by Torcer on an 8-day-old thread!

    Torcer►KirklesWorth: (09/19/2017) So you haven’t initiated attacks on old threads?

  50. Torcer says:

    KirklesWorth
    Urban Dictionary: Drama queen: an overly dramatic person. Mary blows everything out of proportion! She’s such a drama queen!
    http://moonbattery.com/?p=88877#comment-3571676224

  51. Torcer says:

    KirklesWorth

    Get over yourself. I don’t give a damn about your orders

  52. Torcer says:

    Hahahahahaha!!
    What’s wrong?
    Did I eviscerate as yet another attempt by you to try and ‘prove’ something by torturing the data?

    KirklesWorth

    Get over yourself. I don’t give a damn about your orders, your refusals, nor your opinion of my evidence. If you don’t want to provide a shred of evidence to the contrary, it is no skin off of my nose. Your refusal to confirm or deny allegations always helps my case. These people saw right through you without all of the evidence I have accumulated:

    Alphamail►Torcer: (10/19/2016) You convey yourself as brilliant but it’s arrogance in disguise and people have caught on that you’re a phony and a shill for hillary – where nearly all your posts would be greeted by cheers at HuffPo – if you’re not writing some of their posts under a different name.
    Angel►Torcer: (09/18/2016) Again, I responded with logic. You are implying it. I asked you a question. “So your argument is that we should let the Dem radical leftist win?” You didn’t answer the question. If you can’t understand this, there is no sense continuing. It is pointless arguing with a complete idiot.
    Artfuldgr►Torcer: (10/25/2016) dumping trump means hillary… duh
    Bully►Torcer: (06/17/2016) What about the coming years having a Leftist SCOTUS? We can vote Trump out in four years but SCOTUS is seated for life. Just dim your torch a bit while you think about it.
    calmly_observing►Torcer: (10/31/2016) What puerile attention seeker. You’re nothing more than a link poster with little intelligence to back it up.
    cjkcjk►Torcer: (04/03/2016) You left out the biggest reason why Hillary might beat Trump …………………………..Because of petulant people like you who will take their ball and go home instead of voting against the Hag.
    concern00►Torcer: (05/09/2016) Yes, but you fail to offer a solution. A Clinton presidency is not a solution.
    Cruz Control►Torcer: (08/30/2016) I demand you answer this question: How will voting for a third party loser or not voting at all help keep Hillary out of the White House? Answer the question. You are such a pathetic fool…
    Deathstroke►Torcer: (05/24/2016) “The left wants Donald to be the nominee so they can put Hillary in office, which is ALL THE MORE REASON to vote Trump.” You literally aren’t even reading what I’m posting.
    Duckster1964►Torcer: (10/25/2016) #neverTrump = #I’mwithher 100%…If you aren’t for Trump you are for Hitlery and no amount of RINO spin will change that…
    Ed. G. Mann►Torcer: (06/23/2016) No way. You’re the one posting that crap. There isn’t any reverse position. The only way to read these comments are: TORCER for hillary in 16
    F350►Torcer: (08/24/2016) Not being a jerk here, but what viable alternative do you suggest? The other candidates are NOT going to WIN! It’s going to be Trump or Clinton, regardless of what your druthers are. We’ve been sold a bill-of-goods by the GOPe because they talk a good game, roll over, and show their bellies before the polling places are disassembled. Did the “principled” conservatives fight on immigration, Obamacare, or the budget? “What the hell do you have to lose” if Trump wins? What might you gain?
    Feet2Fire►Torcer: (10/26/2016) Am not wasting time trying to awaken a bunch of sleepwalkers in denial. If you cannot see that HILLARY is far worse than Trump, nobody can help you.
    Fiberal►Torcer: (12/22/2016) KirklesWorth’s list is quite a response to your question. So just what kind of discretion have you exhibited? Meaning that you were, are now and will always be a never-trumper with one mindless mission in life– to criticize Trump. You are with her.
    Gex►Torcer: (07/05/2016) so why care about my actions……epic fail for you as well as epic hypocrisy…….i’m just following the example that you have given……sorry bout yer luck oswald
    grayjohn►Torcer: (10/29/2016) No your hard work at making sure she will be president by trashing the only sane alternative. Enjoy the slavery she imposes.
    Grumpy Cat►Torcer: (09/15/2016) Your head is a mug. The DNC propaganda arm is the jug. The jug pours into the mug and the mug pours into the Moonbattery jug. You enjoy working for the DNC?
    Guy Stumpman►Torcer: (03/02/2016) Yes, but attempting to discuss them with people who suffer fro Trump Derangement Syndrome is pointless…so I won’t bore you with them.
    Hans Landa►Torcer: (05/20/2016) Trump’s comments are what they are. Opinion comments by the GOPe punditry are what they are. Your self-professed omniscience as to what Trump will assuredly do is simply in question here. You were a big prognosticator for Trump’s demise not long ago due to polling, which has changed considerably from even recent weeks ago. And you’re one of Dave’s biggest fan-boys.
    IMPACT1►Torcer: (05/21/2016) So, you are not Angry? And I read you wrong? I stated something I have as a gut (positive) feeling, and those usually start off in a sentence as I believe, I think….. You are set in your mind you are against Trump and me getting Facts and Figures to “prove” anything to you will just be a waste of my time…I will not be able to sway you no matter if I give you 1000 facts and figures….
    IslandLifer►Torcer: (03/12/2016) You in particular seem to have a really hard problem comprehending why others don’t reply to your adolescent style of getting a point across. Someone will answer you very directly but you manage to ignore it and keep pestering to get the same answer in 100 different ways. I’ve seen this on other sites so I can’t blame anyone for ignoring your redundant replies.
    Jack Bauer►Torcer: (08/25/2016) Not “research” Torcie’— merely clicking on your screen id. that shows the count. Some being repeat messages or not, it seems like it would take more than one person to make all of those posts. Some of us actually have lives with jobs, and family obligations that would preclude so much time spent on a single issue. Of course, if people want to read all the anti-Trump the stuff you post, they don’t need to come here. They can go to Huffpo or Democrat Underground and get the same thing….lol.
    JoeK►Torcer: (06/12/2016) So NOT voting for Trump is NOT, like giving Hitlery 10 democRATic votes? Is that right? Is that what I’m supposed to believe? Or is it that by not voting for Trump, Hitlery will NOT take the presidency and Our Country the rest of the way to hell? Maybe I should just vote for Hitlery and Bill clinton to prove what an ass-hole Don J. Trump 2016 is?!! That’ll show them fucking Americans that we’ll gett’em next time!! Really???
    KatherineBranwen►Torcer: (05/04/2016) Sorry, Torcer, but you won’t get your wish of a Clinton presidency. I know how hard that will be for you. After all, ‘proving’ your conservative bona fides depends on it, right?
    Miss Fortune►Torcer: (07/03/2016) Yeah, vote for hillary, you will be very happy.
    Mogumbo Gono►Torcer: (08/05/2016) “Trump’s losing will be all Trump’s fault”?? That is errant nonsense u2014 just like people believing it’s ‘Trump’s fault’ that he was nominated. But he beat all sixteen of his opponents, spending less than one-tenth the money they spent. How? He did it with the votes of millions of primary voters. And IF Trump loses, it will be the fault of all the disgruntled crybabies who didn’t get their way. See, in reality it’s YOUR fault. Your psychological “projection” doesn’t work. If you don’t support the nominee, then you’re just a Hillary head-nodder. (And: IANAR) This election comes down to only one question: Do you want Hillary? Or not Hillary?
    Momster►Torcer: (04/30/2016) Torcer, Torcer…we get it…you and Dave hate Trump’s guts! you are jumping on him with the venom usually reserved for Hillary and Jimmy Carter! I used to really love coming to Moonbattery, but lately I am getting a little weary of the “hate Trump” meme (and not just yours). We do not all march in lockstep like the Dimocrats. Conservatives are allowed to stray off the reservation and have ideas of their own. I am not telling you to shut up, Keep on, but do realize that “dump Trump” posts can push Trump supporters more fimly into his camp.
    OldSailor►Torcer: (06/17/2016) You must realize that if the RNC engineers a way to take the nomination from Trump quite a few million of his diehard supporters will either go 3rd party or just stay home in November. Say hello President Hillary if that happens, 100% certain (source – OldSailor people poll, focus group of 1, margin of error +/- 0.00%) Ask yourself … are you REALLY that desperate to dump Trump that you’re willing to give Hillary 4 years of SCOTUS and other Federal Court nominations?
    Paul621►Torcer: (10/28/2016) Little Torcer, let me use little words for you, so that you’ll get it: Like many other Americans, I am hosting a Trump/Pence victory party at my home election night. Is that simple enough for you? Trump by a landslide.
    RoseD1st►Torcer: (06/07/2016) you nevertrump nuts are the true RINOs
    Skip►Torcer: (02/25/2016) You are not a conservative. And would you tell those who have followed and voted for the so-called conservatives for decades, what have they done for us in decades?
    Smith and Wesson and Me: (09/08/2016) Congratulations! “Torcer” has become the new lao of moonbattery. And a Canadian, to boot.
    Stephen►Torcer: (10/25/2016) I really can’t dumb this down any further: You mimic smart people’s vocabularies, but you are obviously not terribly bright. I have no interest in debating you on anything because you are not capable of making or comprehending a rational argument. Don’t stalk me, go converse with someone else.
    The Deplorable EtoculusDei►Torcer: (09/07/2016) Here is your Answer. Anyone who invites a poster to an argument and has a PRIVATE profile is a pathetic internet troll. He is a man…who faced with a million better choices….chooses to spend his entire day arguing with strangers on the internet. Have you ever considered how pathetic THAT is. YOU are a man who would argue all day with a stranger……over which side of a cue ball is more round. What butt cake you are. I think we’re done here. TROLL TRASH ALERT DONT FEED IT BEAT IT
    toheckwithyou►Torcer: (06/12/2016) Spoken like a true uni-party supporter of Hillary.
    Tom►Torcer: (07/06/2016) Are you a shill for hillary? YES – or – HELL, YES! ?
    Walter.R►Torcer: (07/13/2016) So what is your bottom line because I find your conspiracy theories tiresome. What I read is you want hillary to win. Your analysis of Trump is weak (this is from someone who worked in finance, always turned down opportunities to finance Trump projects and laughed at those who actually did and got burned). If you are blind enough to be convinced by your own conspiracy theories that we need hillary as president then you not really a thinker…but simply a paranoid.
    Wewon Bigly►Torcer: (05/21/2016) I’m voting for lesser of 2 evils. Just as I have every election since Bush the father. You are effectively supporting Hillary by not voting for Trump. How do you rationalize that? — I VOTED FOR CRUZ IN THE PRIMARIES
    yourfavoritedeplorableunkle►Torcer: (03/02/2016) Demanding little cuss aren’t you. Those national polling numbers are nothing more than wishful thinking by the media all at the directive of the UNiParty.
    yourfavoriteunkle►Torcer: (03/07/2016) 1. I addressed the issue in the first sentence. Just because you don’t like the facts doesn’t mean it’s not true. 2 Correct. Trump has been playing politics for a long time. Is it Trump’s fault the the UNiParty has turned OUR Congress and Senate in to a forum for legalized bribery? Doing what you need to do to remain successful in today’s business world is dirty business. They made the rules, he followed them. 3. I don’t deny the facts. Just because you’re butthurt that your guy can’t play the game as well is no reason to get your panties in a knot. 4 Here in AMERICA, it’s spelled F-A-V-O-R and not F-A-V-O-U-R. You didn’t think I missed that did you?
    Zachriel►Torcer: (06/08/2017) We answered that question. Then you attempted to fallaciously load the question with a reference to something called the “national socialist media”. We answered your original question, then asked the relevance, something you have refused to engage.
    http://moonbattery.com/?p=88877#comment-3571959603

  53. KirklesWorth says:

    Help! Help! I’m being attacked by Torcer on an old thread! And Torcer doesn’t get the sarcasm nor sees the irony of following up with a drama queen citation!

  54. KirklesWorth says:

    Help! Help! I’m being attacked by Torcer on an old thread! But seriously, thanks for reposting my comment…it was short and to the point. Too bad you misapplied it as a response…but that’s nothing new.

  55. Torcer says:

    And you don’t get the fact that you are projecting..

    KirklesWorth
    Urban Dictionary: Drama queen: an overly dramatic person. Mary blows everything out of proportion! She’s such a drama queen!
    http://moonbattery.com/?p=88877#comment-3571676224

  56. Torcer says:

    KirklesWorth
    Urban Dictionary: Drama queen: an overly dramatic person. Mary blows everything out of proportion! She’s such a drama queen!
    http://moonbattery.com/?p=88877#comment-3571676224

  57. KirklesWorth says:

    Help! Help! I’m being attacked by Torcer on an old thread!

    That was sarcasm, and the irony is your continued obtusiveness.

  58. Torcer says:

    No, I’m just conserving my time and resources using your very appropriate postings.

    It is truly amazing that you purport to know what others are doing however.

  59. KirklesWorth says:

    Torcer►KirklesWorth: (10/26/2017) It is truly amazing that you purport to know what others are doing however.

    I only “purport to know” what peoples’ own comments say. You know…the opposite of what you do like the first thing you said to me:

    Torcer►KirklesWorth: (07/22/2016) Is there some reason you would rather focus your efforts on trying to intimating others into acquiescing to your bad choice than defeating the national socialist left in November?

    What you claimed to “purport to know” was completely fabricated and ultimately proven completely wrong.

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