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Nov 12 2017

Open Thread

I want to see a man beaten to a bloody pulp with a high-heel shoved in his mouth, like an apple in the mouth of a pig. - Andrea Dworkin

110 Responses to “Open Thread”

  1. Bodhisattva says:

    Do you think there might be a double standard?

    If the Justice Department is hell-bent on making a case, it plays an intimidating game of hardball. In July 2016, the Obama administration announced its decision not to prosecute Hillary Clinton for felony mishandling of classified information and destruction of government files. In the aftermath, I observed that there is a very aggressive way that the Justice Department and the FBI go about their business when they are trying to make a case — one profoundly different from the way they went about the Clinton emails investigation. There, they tried not to make the case.

    That observation bears repeating today, as we watch Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation of any possible Trump-campaign collusion in Russia’s alleged interference in the 2016 presidential campaign. Mueller is a former FBI director and top Justice Department prosecutor. To say he is going about the collusion caper aggressively would be an understatement. The earth is being scorched by the stunningly large team he has assembled, which includes 16 other prosecutors (among them, Democratic party donors and activists) along with dozens of investigators (mostly from the FBI and IRS).

    At the end of October, Mueller announced the first charges in the case. In the intensive commentary that followed, another investigative development attracted almost no attention. But in terms of Mueller’s seriousness of purpose, it speaks just as loudly as the George Papadopoulos guilty plea and the indictment of Paul Manafort and Richard Gates.

    Mueller succeeded in convincing a federal judge to force an attorney for Manafort and Gates to provide grand-jury testimony against them. As Politico’s Josh Gerstein reports, just as the charges against these defendants were announced with great fanfare, the U.S. district court in Washington, D.C., quietly unsealed a ruling compelling the testimony of the lawyer — who, though not referred to by name in the decision, has been identified by CNN as Melissa Laurenza, a partner at the Akin Gump law firm.

    Interestingly, the jurist who rendered the 37-page memorandum opinion is Beryl A. Howell, who served for years as a senior Judiciary Committee adviser to the fiercely partisan Democratic Senator Pat Leahy (of Vermont) before being appointed to the bench by President Obama. Howell is now the district court’s chief judge. Why do I think that, in choosing to set up shop in Washington, Mueller and his team noted the district court’s local rule that vests the chief judge with responsibility to “hear and determine all matters relating to proceedings before the grand jury”? (See here, Rule 57.14 at p. 168.) And why do I think that the Trump collusion case is not getting the kid-glove Clinton emails treatment? Lest we forget, President Obama had endorsed Mrs. Clinton, his former secretary of state and his party’s nominee, to be president. Moreover, Obama had knowingly participated in the conduct for which Clinton was under investigation — using a pseudonym in communicating with her about classified government business over an unsecure private communication system.

  2. Bodhisattva says:

    Prehistoric shark caught.

    The rare frilled shark is considered a “living fossil,” because evidence of its existence dates back to at least 80 million years ago. This summer, researchers found one alive and thriving off the coast of Portugal, adding yet more clues about the resilience of this ancient sea creature.

    The shark was discovered off the Algarve coast by researchers who were working on a European Union project in the area, the BBC reported. The aim of the project was to “minimize unwanted catches in commercial fishing,” the researchers told SIC Noticisas TV, as the BBC noted. but the team unknowingly unearthed one of the rarest and most ancient animals on the planet.

    Scientists believe the frilled shark has remained the same, both inside and out, since the Cretaceous Period, when the Tyrannosaurus Rex and Triceratops still roamed the planet. The creature, known by scientists as Chlamydoselachus anguineus, is incredibly simple and unevolved, most likely due to the lack of nutrients found in its deep-sea dwellings. A Japanese study of the shark found in Suruga Bay, Japan, revealed that its diet is 61 percent cephalopods—the class to which squids and octopus belong.

  3. Bodhisattva says:

    Flakka time!

    Last weekend got downright bizarre in the eastern Missouri town of Sullivan, and police say they know why.

    Four people went on a rampage, barking and yelling, breaking into buildings, even stripping off their clothes and showering in soda water, police say. They suspect the synthetic drug flakka is behind the behavior.

    “We had multiple incidents this past weekend of people on some kind of substance acting out of their minds,” Sullivan Police Lt. Patrick Johnson told the Sullivan Independent News. “Barking like dogs, running up and down the street, or other farm animals.

  4. Bodhisattva says:

    What songs do psychopaths prefer?

    Eminem’s “Lose Yourself,” the Academy and Grammy award-winning rap song popularized in the 2002 movie “8 mile,” and Blackstreet’s “No Diggity,” which ousted “Macarena” for Billboard’s top spot in 1996. Justin Bieber’s “What Do You Mean” was also popular with those students who scored high on the psychopathy scale.

    On the low end were Dire Straits’ “Money for Nothing,” the much-covered country tune “Wayward Wind” and The Knack’s 1979 pop-rock hit, “My Sharona.”

  5. Bodhisattva says:

    Republicans in Congress are plowing ahead on tax reform, and one obstacle is the complexity of Senate budget rules that limit how much taxes can be cut. The good news is that for once Washington’s fiscal fictions could be deployed to improve policy by repealing ObamaCare’s individual mandate as part of tax reform.

  6. Bodhisattva says:

    How NOT to police.

    There is now an Detroit Police Department internal investigation into two different precincts getting into their own turf war as they converge on an east side neighborhood.

    Neighbors who live on Andover on Detroit’s east side will be the first to tell you this area is known for constant drug activity.

    “(It is) definitely drug problem for years, it has been a drug problem,” said one resident. “I don’t think anyone can stop it.”

    On Thursday Detroit police certainly tried, but maybe too hard.

    Sources say it started when two special ops officers from the 12th Precinct were operating a “push off” on Andover near Seven Mile. That is when two undercover officers pretend to be dope dealers, waiting for eager customers to approach, arresting potential buyers and seizing their vehicles.

    But this time instead of customers – special ops officers from the 11th Precinct showed up. Not realizing they were fellow officers, they ordered the other undercover officers to the ground.

    FOX 2 is told the rest of the special ops team from the 12th Precinct showed up, and officers began raiding the drug house in the 19300 block of Andover. But instead of fighting crime, officers from both precincts began fighting with each other.

    Sources say guns were drawn and punches were thrown while the homeowner stood and watched. The department’s top cops were notified along with Internal Affairs. One officer was taken to the hospital.

  7. Bodhisattva says:

    George Takei drugged and molested one or more men… and now?

    George Takei blames Russian bots for trying to ‘amplify’ sexual assault accusation

    Brunton told the Hollywood Reporter that he became friends with Takei when he was 23 and the actor was in his mid-40s.

    The two met for dinner one night and then went back to Takei’s condo where Brunton had two drinks and began to feel dizzy.

    “I thought I was going to pass out. I said I need to sit down and he said sit over here and he had the giant yellow beanbag chair,” said Brunton, who said that he believes he passed out for a few minutes.

    “The next thing I remember I was coming to and he had my pants down around my ankles and he was groping my crotch and trying to get my underwear off and feeling me up at the same time, trying to get his hands down my underwear.”

    Takei denies it.

  8. Bodhisattva says:

    Apparently this guy forgets – Ebola came here because Obama imported it deliberately, at least in part. Also in part because he didn’t take measures to prevent anyone infected from coming here.

    A MEDICAL expert has warned that a plague, which has already killed 140 people in Madagascar, could mutate and become untreatable.

    Professor Paul Hunter also said it was possible for the disease to reach Europe and North America like the Ebola virus did in 2014 following an outbreak in West Africa.

  9. Bodhisattva says:

    Church of England goes full moonbat

    Boys as young as five should be able to wear tiaras at school without criticism, teachers in Church of England schools are to be told.
    Male pupils should also be free to dress up in a tutu or high heels without attracting any comment or observation, according to anti-bullying rules sent out by the Church yesterday.
    The instructions for the CofE’s 4,700 schools said they should not require children to wear uniforms that ‘create difficulty for trans pupils’.

    This appears to give official backing to schools that ban skirts to avoid discrimination against transgender children.
    Schools are also told they cannot use the Christian faith or Bible teachings to justify behaviour that is considered to amount to bullying – for example, identifying a transgender pupil by a sex other than the one they have chosen. The advice contains instructions on how to report bullying, including sample forms on which teachers are encouraged to name the alleged bully and their target, and use tick boxes to describe what happened.

  10. Bodhisattva says:

    Obama’s gone, no reason to encourage the economy any more.

    Is it time for investors to leave the party after the latest bond market wobbles?

    The credit markets have sharp antennae. They issued early warning alerts four to eight weeks before each episode of stress over the last 20 years, although with several false alarms along the way.

    The shake-out in the US junk bond market last week had an ominous feel for traders and may finally mark the top of the post-Lehman boom in corporate credit. The exuberant reach for yield is nearing its limits.

    “It is a sober moment. People are suddenly aware that central banks are turning serious and are not going to keep creating stimulus ad ­infinitum,” said Marc Ostwald from ADM.

  11. Bodhisattva says:

    All the hypocrites who knew about the ongoing sexual abuse by Weinstein and others BUT SAID OR DID NOTHING FOR SO LONG are showing their true SJW colors:

    Thousands to join Hollywood #MeToo march against sexual abuse

    Ah, look… they have a hash tag! How special!

    And they marched!

  12. Bodhisattva says:

    How to steal an election – a lesson in progress:

    GOP retreat from Moore intensifies

    Roy Moore Trails in Senate Poll After Harassment Accusations

    He previously had a slim lead.

  13. Bodhisattva says:

    Dianne Alfaro sat in a pew in the back of St. Patrick’s Cathedral in Manhattan, her head bowed during Mass on Sunday morning. She cast her eyes down as the hymn “Jerusalem My Happy Home” swelled around her.

    As the words “Hosanna in the highest!” echoed in the cathedral, she never looked up. That is, until she finished buying a pair of black boots off the internet on her iPhone.

    “At some point, the priest during the Mass says, ‘Lift up your hearts.’ He does not say, ‘Lift up your cellphones to take pictures,’” Pope Francis said last week during a general audience at St. Peter’s Square in Vatican City, where he urged Catholics to leave their phones home.

    But during Sunday Mass at St. Patrick’s Cathedral, it seemed either the pontiff’s message had not yet reached across the Atlantic or the churchgoers were not listening.

    Beside a font of holy water, tourists took in the Mass via the screens of their phones, some mounted on selfie sticks. By the entrance, devotees stood praying, but every so often phone-holding hands would pop up above the crowd to snap a picture. One man stood in the back, hunched in what appeared to be deep devotion — to select the perfect photo filter for his picture of the cathedral’s eaves.

    In the pews, most people pored over the missals. But a surreptitious few checked email, planting their phone between the pages of the Psalms. One woman strode boldly through the nave as the organ played, her earbuds in, video chatting all the while.

    “It’s probably a trend they should embrace,” said Edward Zhong, 25, a doctor visiting from Australia with his brother Mark, 21, who spent much of the homily taking pictures. Dr. Zhong suggested the church might go so far as create an app for use during Mass. “They probably could access a greater demographic — people who are born with an iPhone in their hand.”

    Joseph Zwilling, a spokesman for the Archdiocese of New York, said that some churches already offer apps, a trend he does not approve. “There are enough occasions for our mind to wander during Mass; we shouldn’t be using these artificial things that take us away,” he said.

  14. Bodhisattva says:

    Waitress at Liberal D.C. Eatery Gets Huge Tip from Visiting Texans: ‘Not Race. Not Gender. Just American.’

  15. Angel says:

    I do not know who Andrea Dvorskin is (must be a Russian!), but I know a pig when I see one.

  16. MAS says:

    That’s something you’ll never see bush hog, men don’t give up like the pajama boy males you’re used to. This man has finally decided to give y’all what you say you want, equality. Lay a hand on me and you’ll be treated with equality as I knock your teeth out…just like I would any man who did the same. Welcome to the ultimate ERA…

  17. Bodhisattva says:

    RE: Roy Moore

    The Trump Hating, Republican attacking media, specifically the WaPo, has published dubious allegations Moore tried to seduce then 14 year old Leigh Corfman nearly 4 decades ago.

    Corfman claims she spoke with Moore on a phone in her bedroom.

    Corfman’s mother states, as was pretty much standard back then in Alabama, there was no phone in her daughter’s bedroom.

    But putting that aside for a second, should a 4 decade old allegation that never, ever came up despite the fact the man involved was not only a prominent, but also a controversial figure in Alabama politics, now be a factor in a key election?

    Should an obviously biased team of reporters be allowed to bring down a candidate with this now proven likely false story?

    A bigger question: Is low character an appropriate bar to political office? Let’s review:

    Ted Kennedy. John Kennedy. Hillary Clinton. Bill Clinton. Moore has been married, to the same woman, for most of those 40 years and this now apparently false allegation is dated before all those years.

    But of course Moore is a Republican – and Republicans are held to a higher standard!


    And the biggest question – will the voters be fooled by this story?

    The answer to that seems to be “apparently so”, since Moore was leading, by six points, and is now behind thanks to this story.

    There is more to this story: Moore apparently did have a thing for girls close to the age of consent – but as he has stated, he never dated a girl without the mother’s knowledge and consent and, according to the young girls he did date, apparently, he never behaved inappropriately with them.

    Moore’s accuser is apparently a troubled, unstable woman. Based on the reports of the four women Moore DID date he has a clear and well established pattern of APPROPRIATE behavior towards women and now we have one troubled, unstable woman claiming otherwise.

    So basically it boils down to who do you believe?

  18. Bodhisattva says:

    Andrea Dworkin – She died of acute myocarditis at the age of 58.

    It would have been so much easier if she had just identified as a man and got it over with.

  19. Bodhisattva says:

    She’s dead… was a radical man-hating feminist. So she married an abusive husband, also a radical man-hater, apparently, stayed with him 7 years then divorced him.

  20. Bodhisattva says:

    One of the big arguments against fossil fuels is there are hidden costs – whether that’s true or not about fossil fuels, turns out it’s true about “green” energy:

    Xcel Reveals Solar Garden Power Costs Double Other Sources

    At face value, the new community solar deal “saves” Minneapolis $28,000 a year on electric bills, while helping Xcel Energy meet the state mandate to produce 1.5 percent of Minnesota’s electricity through solar.

    Xcel Energy senior director of customer solutions Lee Gabler opens up, acknowledging that solar power is anything but a winner for the vast majority of ratepayers at all income levels.

    Community solar gardens aren’t cheap for Xcel, Gabler said. Solar energy from the gardens costs the company 12.5 cents per kilowatt-hour, almost twice as expensive as utility-scale electricity.

    Give Xcel Energy credit. Utilities often avoid discussing the true costs of green energy. But Xcel provides long overdue transparency in revealing that solar power costs the utility virtually twice as much to provide as conventional power. And Gabler acknowledges the higher costs are borne by the vast majority of Minnesotans who’ve never heard of a community solar garden, much less signed up for one.

    Xcel passes those additional costs onto all of its consumers by charging them more for fuel. For every 100 MW of community solar that comes online, it costs customers an additional $17 million, Gabler said.

    Xcel Energy already has 140 MW of solar generating capacity on line as of October 1. At $17 million more per 100 MW, ratepayers across Xcel’s system already face an additional $24 million on their utility bills for community solar systems. The utility has another 475 MW of community solar power in the works, adding approximately $80 million more to ratepayers’ bills.

    American Experiment recently reported that Minnesota has lost its longtime advantage of low retail electric prices.

  21. Bodhisattva says:

    U.S. finds four Minnesotans from Somalia used false IDs to gain citizenship
    They entered from Somalia under the controversial Diversity Visa Program.

    The U.S. Justice Department on Monday sought to revoke the citizenship of four Minnesotans from Somalia who are accused of defrauding the Diversity Immigrant Visa Program more than a decade ago.

    Fosia Abdi Adan, Ahmed Mohamed Warsame, Mustaf Abdi Adan and Faysal Jama Mire posed as a nuclear family and used false identities in applying for visas.

    Adan, 51, of Eden Prairie, allegedly claimed to be married to Ahmed Mohamed Warsame, 54. According to the complaints, the two also claimed that Mustaf Abdi Adan, 33, and Faysal Jama Mire, 31, were their children.

    Adan and Warsame divorced in Minnesota soon after Warsame was admitted as a permanent resident.

    In a statement announcing the Minnesota complaints on Monday, Attorney General Jeff Sessions added that the country’s current immigration system is “easily abused by fraudsters and nefarious actors.” “Chain migration,” which gives priority for entrance to immigrants with family members, “only multiplies the consequences of this abuse,” Sessions said.

    In the complaint against Adan, attorneys alleged that she engaged in “alien smuggling,” rendering her ineligible for naturalization. Each of the four also faces numerous counts that include allegations of illegal procurement of naturalization and lacking valid immigration documents.

    The United States is seeking a judgment revoking the four defendants’ citizenship and also “forever restraining and enjoining” them from claiming “any rights, privileges, benefits or advantages” under any documentation gained during their initial naturalizations.

    Warsame omitted a 1996 marriage in Yemen to another woman and details about his biological children. That woman told fraud investigators in 2010 that she was Warsame’s sole marriage and that he had obtained fake marriage documents for himself and Adan, who is a distant relative.

    Warsame admitted to posing under a fake name and lying about his marriage to Adan to gain citizenship. Adan and the two men who claimed to be their children were each cousins of Warsame’s, he said. The pair are also accused of falsely claiming a third child, who was denied entry to the U.S.

  22. Bodhisattva says:

    Berkeley protest – against VEGANISM!

    I wondered if this was a joke – but they seem sorta serious at least.

  23. Professor Hale says:

    A tiara…Shaped like a gun.

  24. CrushAllDems says:


    If you’ve got a fat ‘n ugly face like, it’s probably not a good idea to verbally invoke the image of “an apple in the mouth of a pig”.

    Just a thought…

  25. George Lortz says:

    Make cell phone jammers legal in the U.S. They are OK in many foreign countries.

  26. StephaneDumas says:

    I think it’s up to the folks of /pol/4chan/8chan to do an inquiry on Roy Moore and these women who knows? There might be more than meet the eyes.

  27. C. S. P. Schofield says:

    The thing is, as I understand it, Dworken was abused as a child and furthermore few to adulthood in the Liberal Left during the ‘sexual revolution’ when the so called ‘playboy philosophy’ of encouraging women to be perpetually sexually available to self-centered assholes like Hefner was semi-respectable. I find her rage against men totally understandable. Wrong, but understandable.

  28. TED says:

    I’d like to see an UGLY FAT-ASSED MOUTHY LESBIAN FEMINIST roasted with an apple in her mouth LIKE the PIG she IS!!

  29. Eddie_Valiant says:

    I’ve thrown out trash that looks better than Andrea.

  30. Eddie_Valiant says:

    The “millenials” don’t understand what the hammer and sickle symbols mean. If you’re over 50, you understand they mean communism, loss of freedom and rights, and shortages of basic necessities. To the young’uns, they just think those are cool icons!

  31. TED says:

    YES, right up there with Che’, Thank our so-called EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM for that ignorance!!! Most of the teachers have them as a tattoo!

  32. Charlotte Wiggs says:

    I have actually seen this movie, and it’s really a good one. This scene is so funny!

  33. TED says:


  34. Rock ThisTown says:

    “You’ll saw your eye out, kid!”

  35. Mr. Freemarket says:

    Going where no man has gone before……

  36. Mr. Freemarket says:

    Just thinking here….

    The Church of England was created by a king intent on divorcing a wife, then marrying a couple of others. As memory serves, he lopped off a couple of heads in due time.

    Kinda makes you wonder if he was doing “God’s” work?

  37. Mr. Freemarket says:

    I can understand what some church-goers are thinking. Snap a few selfies while in church so that they can prove to God that they attended at least once in awhile.

    I’m sure that a selfie is admissible evidence when standing before the judgement bar of God.

  38. StephaneDumas says:

    A bit more about the “Harveygeddon”, a Twitter post who mentionned this interview with Angelique Bates, a former child star on All That on Nickelodeon, who mentionned a detail around 21:39 in this clip, one Youtube commenter wondered if she had made a reference to tv producer Dan Schneider who produced sitcoms for Nickelodeon.

  39. Bodhisattva says:

    Or just tourists wanting a photo of them in mass in a famous place… or with the Pope in the background if in the Vatican.

  40. Bodhisattva says:

    That which springs from tainted seed…

  41. Bodhisattva says:

    The Roy Moore farce continues to unravel. First, the primary accuser, the only one who claims he was sexually inappropriate in anyway, is a troubled, unbalanced woman who claims she spoke to him on a phone in her bedroom though her mother points out there was no phone in her bedroom:

    Mother of Roy Moore Accuser Contradicts Key Detail of Daughter’s Sexual Misconduct Story

    Second, it turns out that the WaPo had a team of reporters who badgered those coming forward with claims against him to do so:

    Mother of Roy Moore Accuser: Washington Post Reporters Convinced My Daughter to Go Public

  42. Bodhisattva says:

    I believe they may in fact be legal in some areas – but the issue there is what if there’s an emergency and you happen to be in the area covered by it?

  43. Bodhisattva says:

    I can just see the hullabaloo now!

  44. KirklesWorth says:

    I hope Ken keeps her in her place.

    CNN: Barbie will wear a hijab for the first time

    For the first time ever, Barbie will wear a hijab. Mattel (MAT), which makes Barbie, announced Monday that the latest doll in its “Shero” collection will be modeled after Olympic fencer Ibtihaj Muhammad. In 2016, Muhammad became the first American to compete in the games while wearing a hijab. “I’m proud to know that little girls everywhere can now play with a Barbie who chooses to wear hijab! This is a childhood dream come true,” Muhammad said in a tweet. The news was announced at Glamour’s Women of the Year summit. The doll will go on sale in 2018. Barbie has been working hard to make its collection of dolls more diverse in an effort to broaden the brand’s appeal.

  45. KirklesWorth says:

    They will now allow those with history of self-mutilation, bipolar disorder, depression, and those with a history of drug and/or alcohol abuse to join…what could possibly go wrong?

    Cons. Daily Post: Army Lifts Ban, People With Certain Health Issues Allowed To Join As Resolution Passes

    The US Army will now allow waivers for those wishing to enlist for a wider variety of mental issues. The new change to waiver policy will allow those with history of self-mutilation, bipolar disorder, depression, and those with a history of drug and/or alcohol abuse to join. The US Army has long had fairly strict standards for those wishing to enlist. These standards became all the more strict after the military began to draw down troop strength during the Obama presidency, as soldiers were shed to reduce payroll costs to the Army and other US Military branches. Waivers have long been available for various infractions considered “minor,” in order for the military to attract and accept talented individuals with skills that the Army was seeking. As the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were fought in earnest during the Bush presidency, and as the need to recruit a larger number of soldiers grew, waivers became commonplace for a wide variety of otherwise disqualifying factors.

    Wash. Free Beacon: Recruits With Some Mental Health Issues Can Now Seek Waivers to Join Army

  46. Mr. Freemarket says:

    In defense of those who were subjects of King Henry…..

    They were subjects, not citizens. One of the reasons for not embracing a state church.

  47. TED says:


  48. TED says:


  49. Anonymous says:

    Oh, joy… that’s where Bradley Manning and Bowe Bergdahl came from in ’08.

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  51. Don Dymski says:

    she’s now a rotting corpse and is decaying as we live our lives.

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