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Jan 10 2018

Open Thread

The man who is not a socialist at twenty has no heart, but if he is still a socialist at forty he has no head. - Aristide Briand

42 Responses to “Open Thread”

  1. Bodhisattva says:

    What is wrong with this picture?

  2. Bodhisattva says:

    They really need to set up a “time out” system for reporters who act inappropriately during press conferences:

    Watch Stephen Miller’s heated exchange with CNN’s Jim Acosta over immigration

    When they interrupt the person answering a question they should be given a single warning – if they do it again, time out – banned for a month. And if they get banned 3 times, banned for good on the 3rd.

    Obama made “seeping changes” to our immigration system – why didn’t Acosta complain then?

  3. Bodhisattva says:

    This should be cause for immediate deportation:

    ‘May Allah destroy everyone who wants evil for Islam’

    A third Muslim imam in the United States has been recorded citing an Islamic text that prophesies the killing of Jews by Muslims.

    As with the other two imams, Abdullah Khadra, speaking at a mosque Dec. 8 in the Raleigh, North Carolina, area, was responding to President Trump’s Dec. 6 recognition of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital.

    The video was obtained by the Middle East Media Research Institute, MEMRI.

    Citing a familiar hadith, a collection of the sayings of Muhammad, Khadra said Islam’s prophet “gave us the glad tidings that at the End of Time, we will fight those Jews until the rocks and the trees will speak: ‘Oh Muslim, this is a Jew behind me.’”

    Khadra asserted that the Israeli cities of Haifa, Acre and Jaffa are “Muslim land.”

    “May Allah destroy everyone who wants evil for Islam and Muslims,” he prayed.

    WND reported a Texas imam who cited the hadith, urging Muslims to “fight the Jews in Palestine” and “kill the Jews,” tried to repair relations with local Jewish leaders with an apology.

    Imam Raed Saleh Al-Rousan of the Tajweed Institute in Houston said he was “absolutely and completely opposed to and disgusted by all forms of terrorism, all terrorists, and I oppose anyone who would commit, call for, or threaten violence against civilians.”

    But Dayan Gross, regional director of the Anti-Defamation League, pointed out that video of the sermon shows the imam basing his statement on the well-known Islamic hadith declaring, “Judgment Day will not come until the Muslims fight the Jews.”

    Another Texas imam, Sheik Ramadan Elsabagh of Garland, Texas, posted a recorded prayer on his Facebook page in December calling for Israel’s destruction along with “their allies, and those who assist them and those who allowed them into the abodes of the Muslims.”

    Commenting on the North Carolina imam’s remarks, Jihad Watch Director Robert Spencer pointed out that the declaration is not a tenet of “extremist” Islam.

    “This is the standard, mainstream religion. It’s a hadith in a collection that Muslims consider authentic,” Spencer wrote.

  4. Bodhisattva says:


    Is a website offering fake penises to confused kids appropriate?

    Unless you think it’s fine for a 10-year-old boy to form an online drag club for kids and you’re not bothered by a website offering fake penises for transgender children, then you can safely ignore this article. Otherwise, keep reading.

    First, consider this story from Germany, which begins with this mind-bending sentence: “Germany’s highest court has ruled that a transgender woman whose frozen sperm was used to father a child cannot be the child’s mother.”

    A woman does not have sperm, and a woman cannot father a child. And if the person has sperm and fathers the child, then that person cannot be the child’s mother.

    In this case, the man, who now identifies as a woman, wanted to be listed as the mother of his child, which was born to his female partner.

    So, this man fathers a child with his female partner (using previously frozen sperm), but since he now identifies as a woman (obviously, a lesbian woman, since his partner is female), he wants to be registered as the baby’s mother. That being the case, if I’m following things, the baby would have two mothers and no father.

    My heart goes out to this poor soul, but I’m glad that the German court showed some sanity.

    Second, this story from Arizona: “Modern family: Mom, dad, 11-year-old son and daughter, 13, ALL identify as transgender.”

    This is not a joke. Not for a minute. As the Daily Mail reports, “Daniel Harrott, 41, the biological parent of two trans children, was assigned female gender at birth and is a transgender man.

    “His son and daughter also say they were assigned the wrong gender at birth, and he has met a transgender woman, Shirley Austin, 62, who was assigned male gender at birth. Harrott and Austin are now engaged.”

    The man is now a woman, the woman is now a man, the boy is now a girl and the girl is now a boy.

    And moonbats are giddy as little girls.

  5. Bodhisattva says:

    He sounded like he knew what he was talking about… and he sort of did… until he started claiming the Earth is only 6,000 years old!


    How did Earth have climate change before industry?

    This is a GREAT question.


    It seems everyone now agrees that both the Arabian desert and Israel’s Judean desert were both once tropical forestland.

    TRUE – also other deserts were once forests – even the south pole was tropical at one time, in part because of plate tectonics, but also because the world was much warmer.


    Even though most secular scientists are thoroughly convinced these big deserts were forested, they generally believe it was a very long time ago – maybe even millions of years. They think old because they believe the world is millions of years old – or maybe even billions of years old.

    I have news for you. It’s not. It’s only about 6,000 years old. I know that because the Bible tells me so.

    TRUE TO A POINT – the point where he claims the Bible says the world is only 6,000 years old. This claim is based on a well known misinterpretation of a specific part of the Bible that lists certain important descendants of the male lineage from Adam to Jesus. Some guy got the wild idea that this listed EVERY father and son between the two – it does NOT – and he further decided he could accurately guess the number of years between the birth of each father and son – he CANNOT – and he came up with a number for the age of the Earth which is refuted by a number of lines of evidence.

    Don’t get me wrong – I am not saying that Creationism is wrong. Some of you may know my position is that Creationism, Intelligent Design, and a somewhat Darwin-like process of evolution are not only NOT mutually exclusive, they are actually mutually supportive and likely all true, to some extent.

    But strict Creationism and the part where they claim the Earth is only 6,000 years old – decisively proven wrong.

    I know some of you may feel differently and feel free to say so, but we’re going to have to agree to disagree until you explain how all the science FACTS that peg the Earth as orders of magnitude older could possibly all be wrong.

  6. Bodhisattva says:

    Many MOONBATS ignored evacuation orders in Montecito – and some of them paid for their mistake with their lives.

    Many Ignored Evacuation Orders Before Mudslides
    Seventeen people were killed in disaster that caught residents off-guard

    The sun emerged here a day after mudslides killed 17 people and destroyed 100 homes, illuminating the massive scope of an unfolding disaster that caught many residents off-guard.

    Rescue workers on Wednesday continued searching for at least 17 missing people, and worked to reach dozens more trapped in homes surrounded by walls of mud.

    Of 1,200 people given mandatory evacuation orders in the Montecito area, only 200 heeded the warning to leave, said Shawn Boyd, a spokesman with the California Governor’s Office of Emergency Services, citing preliminary information.

    “They all decided they didn’t want to go,” he said.

    Mr. Boyd said at least 15 of the dead were recovered in the mandatory evacuation zone, but it wasn’t clear if all who died lived in those areas.

    Even for those accustomed to preparing for the familiar California pattern of drought, fires, and floods, the death toll and destruction were unexpected. Officials said that was explained in large part by the decision of many not to evacuate.

    Montecito, an unincorporated neighborhood in Santa Barbara County best known for the wealthy executives and celebrities who own homes there, wasn’t entirely under mandatory evacuation orders. Some neighborhoods were under voluntary guidelines.

    I heard a report Oprah Winfrey was wading around in knee deep mud in her house there.

    Even found a photo of it:

  7. Bodhisattva says:

    Florida Monkeys?

    Must be imports – no indigenous monkeys in Florida…

    Florida monkeys excreting rare disease that can kill humans, scientists warn
    Wildlife agency says free-roaming monkeys at state park are a public health concern, as 30% may have Herpes B that can spread to visitors via bodily fluids.

    Scientists studying a growing population of rhesus macaques in Silver Springs state park say that rather than just carrying herpes B, which is common in the species, some of the monkeys have the virus in their saliva and other bodily fluids, posing a potential risk of spreading the disease.

    “The commission supports the removal of these monkeys from the environment to help reduce the threat they pose. This can be done in a variety of ways,” spokeswoman Carli Segelson said in an email.

    The macaques, native to Asia, are one of Florida’s many non-native wildlife species. Their contacts with the public, including last summer when the monkeys chased a family, have made them somewhat notorious critters and have caused two partial park closures since 2016. The monkeys also have roamed far outside the park: dozens were photographed recently swarming a deer feeder outside a home in Ocala. They have been spotted in trees in the Sarasota and Tallahassee areas.

    The herpes B virus has been fatal to 21 of the 50 humans known to have contracted it from macaque bites and scratches while working with the animals in laboratories, according to the CDC.

    The CDC said there is always concern about the threat that diseases like herpes B virus pose to people, especially in settings where there is frequent interaction between animals and humans where scratches or bites can occur.

    “Herpes B virus infection is extremely rare in people, but when it does occur, it can result in severe brain damage or death if the patient is not treated immediately,” CDC spokesman Ian Branam said in a statement.

  8. Bodhisattva says:

    I don’t practice Santeria…

    I ain’t got no crystal ball…

    Rachel Taylor from the Animal Recovery Mission told 7News that …

    “They’re taking every bit of meat, horse meat for human consumption,” said Taylor. “It’s also that they’re being used for rituals and ceremonies. This one was killed for its meat, but it’s also killed for Santeria.”

  9. daPenguin says:

    So Dave, is this the definitive author of that quote? I have often heard it attributed to Winston Churchhill as well… thanks

  10. KirklesWorth says:

    Fortunately, creationists have a convenient out – the creator (the mice and Slartibartfast) made it look like it was xxx years old.

  11. KirklesWorth says:

    Conservative Tribune: Global Warming Dealt Death Blow as Sahara Desert Gets 16 Inches of Snow

    Global warming fear-mongers made dire predictions just a few short years ago that mankind had witnessed the “end of snow” because of how much human activity had heated and altered the earth’s climate. Of course, as much of the United States was recently gripped by bitter cold temperatures and blanketed with snow — even as far south as northern Florida — climate change proponents like former Vice President Al Gore ludicrously argued that excessive cold and snowy weather were actually signs of a warming planet, or something nonsensical like that. Their arguments about global warming make even less sense now that snow has fallen in one of the most unlikely locations ever — the Sahara desert of North Africa, according to the U.K. Daily Mail. Yes, you read that correctly. The Sahara desert in Algeria just received a significant amount of snow from an unusual winter storm, as much as 16 inches in some spots.

  12. Dave Blount says:

    Quite a few people have been credited for this quote:

  13. Mr. Freemarket says:

    It isn’t hate speech or incitement to violence when it is a Muslim Imam saying it.

  14. Mr. Freemarket says:

    Now you are making my head hurt.

    It used to be so easy to assign gender. Outie=boy. Innie=girl. And if the “results” are inconclusive when a child is born, I believe they have this DNA test that can pretty accurately identify if the child has two x or an x and y chromosome.

    It’s like….science. Clearly the left has abandoned science in favor of religion.

  15. Mr. Freemarket says:

    Some creationists believe the earth is 12,000 years old, relying upon the scripture that a day to God is like 1000 years to man….thus allowing that each of the days of creation may not have actually been 24 hours long.

    Of course those looking at the rocky mountains or the grand canyon should be able to easily observe that this ball we are living on has been here for quite a while. Plus, if you are the Supreme Being….one thing you have plenty of is time.

  16. Mr. Freemarket says:

    Sounds like time to break out the old shotgun and do some monkey hunting.

    BTW….Florida has a bunch of pythons on the loose…and they didn’t evolve in Florida either.

  17. Mr. Freemarket says:

    Of course the problem with Russians coming into the US is the fact that they generally are not people of color.

  18. Mr. Freemarket says:

    Further proof that God has a sense of humor.

  19. Kevcar says:

    A fantastic book on this subject is called “the science of God. The convergence of biblical and scientific wisdom” by Gerard Schroeder. Mr. Schroeder is considered in the top 5 most intelligent people on the planet – a colleague of Hawking. It’s a fantastic book that basically states that if the two sides would stop screaming at each other they would find there really isn’t as much disagreement as they think. I loved the book because he is an equal opportunity critic and gives examples from both sides of dishonestly in findings. The book is very heavy in math (he has a PHD in quantum mechanics), but addresses exactly the topics of the age of the earth etc.

  20. geeknerd says:

    No, the problem is that they know about communism so are unlikely to vote Democrat. That’s why the Left loves all Hispanics except Cubans.

  21. Mr. Freemarket says:

    You are, of course, correct.

  22. StephaneDumas says:

    That’s reminds me of a toon I saw at

  23. KirklesWorth says:

    Allen B. West: World Famous Singer Refuses to Kiss Transgender Man, So Liberals Decry Him As an ‘Intolerant Transphobe’

    Now it appears that liberals will accuse you of being a “bigot” even if you do want to stand by what you “identify” as, especially if you don’t identify as a “transgender” person. R&B singer Ginuwine just found that out when he came under fire because he refused to make out with a man pretending to be a woman on live TV. As Daily Wire noted, tolerance is no longer about accepting someone else, it is now about engaging in deviate sexual activity whether you want to or not. Ginuwine was appearing on the British show “Big Brother” when he shied away from kissing a man claiming to be a transgender woman. But that wasn’t all. During a discussion, the trans-man chided Ginuwine for not wanting to date a transgender person. Ginuwine then admitted that it was true, he really wouldn’t want to date anyone who was transgender.

  24. Bodhisattva says:

    Hawking was perhaps smart at some point, but he’s gone way off the rails in several ways if his minders are honestly translating his nearly imperceptible gestures, which are now all he’s supposedly capable of.

    There are valid criticisms of each theory but each also seems to have a lot of support in reality, if one bothers to approach with an open mind.

    If described accurately, I don’t really agree with this idea:

    Schroeder attempts to reconcile a six-day creation as described in Genesis with the scientific evidence that the world is billions of years old using the idea that the perceived flow of time for a given event in an expanding universe varies with the observer’s perspective of that event.

    There is no need to reconcile a “six day creation” as this is either the result of mistranslation or simply a story told by simple people in a way simple people could understand it, not necessarily in a way that was ever meant to be taken literally. There is this idea that holy books must be the exact words dictated by God which is common among many religions – and also ridiculous.

    Obviously the Earth and the whole universe was not created in six days AS WE KNOW THEM. It may well have taken place in six stages and certainly it is understandable that one might describe it as such as a result.

    However, his reference to the theory of time dilation (expansion, whatever you want to call the early period of the universe when dimensions of time and space may not have been as linear as we perceive them to be now – if they even are now, which also may be a fault in or perception) is a clever way to explain this.

  25. Bodhisattva says:

    If you believe in the Christian (and some other religions) concept of “GOD” then you must allow that even if it seems impossible, God could do it, since God can do anything (omnipotent).

    That said, God does not play dice with the universe, nor does He perform parlor tricks to confuse and amuse us.

  26. Bodhisattva says:

    Ah yes, the fijords were always my favorite part – and some people never noticed the fijords of Alaska…

  27. Bodhisattva says:

    head hurt

    I know… liberal logic tends to have that effect on any sane mind.

  28. Bodhisattva says:

    Outie=boy. Innie=girl

    if the child has two x or an x and y

    Now there are cases, fortunately they tend to be exceptions, not the rule, where these don’t necessarily hold.

    Malformed genitals, chromosome mistakes, the occasional hermaphrodite.

    And don’t forget the guy with “claspers”. What’s up with that?

    But yes, where they do hold, you would think it would be simple. Alas, thanks to moonbat “science”, it is nothing of the sort.

  29. Mr. Freemarket says:

    Clearly the rules hold well over 99% of the time.

    Sadly it seems some mental illness is contagious.

  30. Mr. Freemarket says:

    Well….turns out that God isn’t omnipotent. He cannot, for example, force a person to be righteous (maybe not “can’t” but “won’t”). (Additionally God cannot allow an imperfect, unclean being to dwell with him in Heaven….thus the necessity of the Atonement).

    Additionally, God doesn’t not work contrary to natural law (he doesn’t set up the rules, and then disobey the rules himself). God also has the characteristic that he isn’t going to die…thus no need to worry about a “replacement.”

    God, the Father, is referred to as “Father” because, he is, in fact, male. He fathered Jesus Christ. He is the father to all spirits.

  31. Bodhisattva says:

    I disagree… God COULD force us all to be exactly what He wants us to be… but what would be the point? The point is choosing to do right, not being forced to do right. And God COULD allow an imperfect, unclean being to dwell in heaven, but won’t. God COULD work contrary to natural law, but again, what would be the point? Something Democrats don’t get – rules are there for a reason and you don’t disregard them whenever it’s convenient to do so. Miracles are the obvious rare exceptions, if you happen to believe in them. And God did not “father” Jesus in the traditional way, at least not if Mary was in fact a virgin.

  32. Mr. Freemarket says:

    You and I have different understandings of God (and why God is actually God).

    All things in the universe accept God as God because they believe in him for their existence and purpose. They know that God is completely reliable; that if he promises something, he will carry through on his promises. God is truth, right, righteousness, and perfection. He is the ultimate example that we should live by, and our greatest happiness comes from doing his will and eventually living with him. He, for example, cannot lie; he cannot deceive. Were he to lie, he would cease to be God.

    If He were to work contrary to natural law, it would destroy that law.

    “Something Democrats don’t get – rules are there for a reason and you don’t disregard them whenever it’s convenient to do so. ”
    And that is doubly true for God; he both can’t and won’t disregard them whenever he desires.

    With regards to miracles, God doesn’t throw out the rule book when it comes to miracles. He does things we don’t understand, just like 100 years ago, we had no idea what LEDs were or the even concept of a flat screen monitor (or TV, or the internet, or jet engines….etc.).

    I completely believe in miracles, however perhaps not in the way that some do. For example, I was sitting in a VW bus in Finland in 1973. I needed to get on the other side of Helsinki, and the VW wouldn’t start. It was serviced the week before, but after 20 minutes of trying, it still wouldn’t start. So I sat behind the wheel and prayed, explaining what I was doing and why it was important, and asked for God’s help. After finishing my prayer, I turned the key and the VW started. To me, it was a miracle; and the miracle was in the timing, no necessarily in the explanation of why it started. No physical laws were violated, but my faith was confirmed.

    The Bible tells us that Mary was told “And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.” Jesus Christ was the literal son of the Father, thus inheriting the power over life and death; conceived through the power of the Holy Ghost. Through his mother he inherited the ability to die; through his father, he inherited the power of resurrection.

    Another tidbit; everything that God creates is eternal. Adam and Eve, created by The Father, could not die; as created they were eternal. It was necessary by their own actions for them to be able to die.

  33. Bodhisattva says:

    I agree we may have somewhat different concepts of God. That’s OK.

  34. Mr. Freemarket says:

    Indeed. One of my missions in life is to try and expand the thinking of others; to help people look at things from a different perspective. Doesn’t necessarily make either of us right or wrong.

  35. Bodhisattva says:

    I am well aware that I could very well be wrong about any number of things. Unlike liberal moonbats, I accept I don’t know it all and I still can learn from others.

    Like anyone, I tend to believe I’m correct until proven otherwise.

  36. Mr. Freemarket says:

    I have found your posts and opinions to be very reliable. It is a pleasure to have you contributing here.

  37. Bodhisattva says:

    I gotta watch coming off as a know – it – all.

    Still it’s a fact:

    I thought I was wrong… once… but it turned out I was mistaken.

  38. Mr. Freemarket says:

    Too often we are ignorant of our ignorance. Most of the time I call it a “blind spot.”

    I have some experience with a blind spot. You don’t see what you don’t see because you can’t see. Mine was caused by a detached retina. At one point in my vision, I can hold up my fist…but I can’t see my fist. Therefore my brain fills in the missing picture…minus the fist…because it doesn’t want to present a black spot in my vision.

    It’s quite weird.

  39. Bodhisattva says:

    We all have a “blind spot” in each eye – the spot where the optic nerve leaves the eye. Normally the left eye compensates for the right eye blind spot and vice versa. But yes, in cases like yours, it’s uncompensated. And also, correct – sometimes our brain fills in what we think we’re seeing but is literally “a figment of our imagination”, so to speak. This explains why we occasionally hear about something that “came out of nowhere”.

  40. Mr. Freemarket says:

    I have had three detached retinas so I know where one of my blind spots came from. Doesn’t help get rid of it though.

    I forgot about the optic nerve, though.

  41. KirklesWorth says:

    @daveblount:disqus – pardon this post, I am just checking to see how to reference you by name in a Disqus comment. You will know why shortly.

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