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Mar 26 2012

Open Thread


On a tip from Cons.Underground.

82 Responses to “Open Thread”

  1. IslandLifer says:

    But a Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty, once lost, is lost forever.
    – John Adams

  2. AC says:

    Limousine liberal Bill Gates spends $1 million so daughter can go horseback riding

    That’s not very sustainable, but then again, liberal overlords never expect themselves to be sustainable.

  3. AC says:

    Capital gains taxes will be going up from 15% to 43.4% next year

    The ghost of Karl Marx was seen nodding in approval.

  4. dapenguin says:

    Ok, this is the best one yet!!Kudos to the creator of this one!

  5. wingmann says:

    Drug trafficking, murder for hire and active duty soldiers…..what a sad state of affairs.
    We are breeding sociopaths at an alarming rate.

    Too bad the DEA didn’t plug all these goblins.

  6. Bob Roberts says:

    Actually, if Obama had a son, he would look like this perhaps?

    No, probably more like this, which is what Obama is going to look like come November.

    Our own lao will take on a somewhat similar appearance.

    You know, there was a point I wondered if lao was actually a ruse, meant to prevent any chance of this place becoming anything like an echo chamber such as you find at most left wing sites – but I simply cannot believe that any Conservative has the ability to so consistently miss the mark as lao does.

    If in the end I’m wrong and lao is just a devil’s advocate, my hat is off to whoever is playing him because he really does embody all the lunatic lying liberal stereotypes I’ve heard of and some I hadn’t until he displayed them.

    Bill T says: March 26, 2012 at 10:59 pm
    According to street people law?
    I would certainly hope that the inciting that “Minister” Mikhail Muhammad is doing is against Federal and State law. I would hope HE would be arrested and charged. I would DOUBT Obama or Holder would do anything but ENCOURAGE such nonsense, unfortunately.

    The “Minister” claims he’s not an American citizen – I’m good with that! He claims he does not believe in or follow American law – I think it’s time he became intimately acquainted with it. Clearly he’s inciting a riot, among other things. Murder for hire, for one (offering money, a bounty, to anyone who murders Zimmerman). I can picture lao cackling maniacally and rubbing his hands together with glee.

  7. Bob Roberts says:

    You know, fact is we got a lot bigger problems than Treyvon Martin, wannabe gangsta and drug dealer getting himself killed while casing a neighborhood.

    Why the weekend of Mar 17-18, in Chicago alone, gang bangers killed 10 and wounded 40. The youngest who died was 6 years old. The youngest injured was 1 year old.

    Why this isn’t as big a deal as the Zimmerman/Martin case is simple: Since it’s black on black crime there’s no racist edge that will help Obama come November so it’s no big deal. Really. None at all, just another day in Chicago. More blacks dying, but at the hands of blacks, so who cares, right?

    Welcome to “post-racial” America under Holder and Obama. Here it only matters when HISPANICS kill blacks – THEN it’s a HUGE deal.

    And the fact his surname is Jewish sounding Zimmerman, which has got the panties of the OWS crowd in a major twist, is just gravy.


    “Give me some space until after the election” What, is the “right thing to do” somehow going to change after the election? What is he afraid of doing before the election? More important, can we afford to elect a man who says such a thing?

    You ready for $8/gal gas? I’m not!

    Obama Relies on Debt Collectors Profiting From Student Loan Woe

    ‘Stock Act’ sticks taxpayers with $1.7 million tab


    On the first day of health care reform arguments before the Supreme Court, two justices needled a top Obama lawyer for simultaneously calling the fine that will be paid under the law for not purchasing insurance a “penalty” and a “tax.”

    The confusion arises because of the administration’s argument that the power to enforce the individual mandate is rooted in Congress’ taxing power — but that the mechanism itself is designed to be a penalty, not a revenue-generating policy.

    The narrow but important distinction created a communication challenge for the lawyer representing the Obama administration.

    U.S. Solicitor General Donald Verrilli used the phrase “tax penalty” multiple times to describe the individual mandate’s backstop. He portrayed the fee as a penalty by design, but one that functions as a tax because it’s collected through the tax code.

    “General Verrilli, today you are arguing that the penalty is not a tax. Tomorrow you are going to be back and you will be arguing that the penalty is a tax,” said Justice Samuel Alito, in one of the few laugh lines throughout the 90 minutes of argument Monday.

    The remark underscores the fine line the White House is walking in its argument. On one hand, it says the backstop is not a tax, because that could subject it to the Anti-Injunction Act — the focal point of Monday’s arguments — and delay a ruling to at least 2015. On the other, they claim that the power to impose a penalty derives from Congress’ broad taxing power. That’s in part because calling it a tax makes defending the mandate easier — Congress’ power to levy taxes is less in question than its power to require people to do things.

    Justice Elena Kagan asked whether refusing to buy insurance would constitute breaking the law, to which Verrilli responded that if people “pay the tax, then they are in compliance with the law.” That caught the attention of Justice Stephen Breyer.

    “Why do you keep saying tax?” Breyer interjected, to more laughs.

    The justices, particularly the four Democratic-appointees, and Justice Antonin Scalia, appeared skeptical that the fine constitutes a tax.

    Woah, how did this one get in here: Strauss-Kahn charged in alleged prostitution ring Aggravated pimping? mmmkay!

    Madonna glamorizes 3,4-methylenedioxy-N-methylamphetamine (aka “MDMA”, aka ecstacy).

    Well, it looks like we might not be hearing from lao any more!

    Yeah, it was called THE MEDIEVAL WARM PERIOD, among other things. The left tried to “get rid of” this along with the little ice age that followed it.

    OMG, someone call lao, Jessee Jackson, Al Sharpton, Maxine Waters, Obama and Mikhail Muhammad! They need to put a million dollar bounty out on… this mattress?

    Fortunately the little girl was not the recipient of a life-threatening injury.

  8. Bob Roberts says:

    It WILL happen here if we don’t kill obamacare!

    Thousands of elderly people are dying unnecessarily early because “despicable” age discrimination in the NHS is denying them treatment for cancer, a charity has warned.

    A lack of treatment or insufficient treatment is contributing to 14,000 deaths a year in people over the age of 75, Macmillan Cancer Support has found, in what it called an “unacceptable act of discrimination”.

    Deaths from cancer are reducing in most age groups but at a slower rate in those aged 74 to 84 and are increasing in people aged 85 and over, the report said. The report, The Age Old Excuse: the under treatment of older cancer patients, said treatment options are too often recommended on the basis of age rather than how fit the patient is.

    Obamacare would institute a rationing system in the U.S. similar to the National Health Service in Great Britain. Committees (commonly referred to as death panels) would decide what treatment options would be available for different types of patients. The idea is to save money by not “wasting” it on the treatment of people who are old anyway. This is what President Obama acknowledged when he said, in answer to a question from an audience, that under his system grandma will have to “just take a pill” rather than be provided expensive treatment.

    So… according to leftist TIME MAGAZINE, environmentalists are a bunch of losers!


    (me, for one)

    Don’t take my word for it… lao will go into spasms if you do! Here, read what they said:

    Turns out Gen Y is as green as an oil spill. In her study, published in the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology–which I normally get just for the pictures—[Jean] Twenge found that today’s high school seniors and college freshmen make far less effort to help the environment than baby boomers did at that age. Compared with boomers and Generation X-ers, Gen Y-ers are the least willing to cut down on driving and electricity use. “There was a lot more questioning of materialism in the 1970s. Now it’s just like, Let’s all live like the Kardashians,” she said. . .

    Want to bet if Time magazine holds the record for running the most cover stories about global warming over the last couple of decades, always without any subtlety, like the “Be Worried, Be Very Worried” cover? It’s almost as if whenever Time’s editors are stuck for a cover, someone says, “Hey—let’s do global warming again! It’s such an easy story to write, and we can leave early from the office!” Sooner or later Time’s editors will one day consider yet another big global warming cover, and finally some new young editor would yawn and say, “Bor-ing,” and they’d decide against it. It doesn’t help that special “Earth Day” issues of magazines have proven to be the worst-selling issues of the year on newsstands for the last several years. (That’s why Vanity Fair gave up its special April “green” issue.”)

    (thanks POWERLINE!)

  9. Ummah Gummah says:


    Meanwhile.. in France.. the ISLAMIC TERRORIST’s father announces that he plans to sue France for “wrongful death” of his TERRORIST MOSLEM SON”:

    “France is a big country that had the means to take my son alive. They could have knocked him out with gas and taken him in,” he said. “They preferred to kill him.”

    “I will hire the biggest named lawyers and work for the rest of my life to pay (their) costs. I will sue France for having killing my son.”

    France took in these hostile so-called “refugees” amd when one of them goes on a rampage the family instead of expressing REVULSION AND SHAME, sue the host country for “wrongful death”.

    You have GOT to be kidding me.

    These moslems have SOME NERVE!


  10. Bob Roberts says:

    Winning the war against climate fraud one battle at a time.

    This news came from around the Vernal Equinox. On March 21, U.S. District Judge Louis Guirola Jr., a federal judge in Mississippi, ended a long-running suit that attempted to hold a selection of U.S. utilities and coal and oil companies responsible for flooding damage caused by Hurricane Katrina.

    Nonsense, right?

    He dismissed Comer vs. Murphy Oil with prejudice, meaning it can’t be refiled or reconstituted. The decision should serve to preclude, other similar lawsuits accusing companies of emitting global-warming gases that cause damaging weather patterns.

    Guirola dismissed the case for legal reasons – he’d already dismissed it once before, and he said the plaintiffs were barred by various legal doctrines from reviving it – but “out of an abundance of caution” he reiterated why the case shouldn’t be allowed to proceed.

    Those reasons are becoming familiar in global-warming cases: Guirola ruled the case invalid because the underlying issue of global warming is a political question, best left to the legislative branch and regulators to decide. And because existing tort law requires plaintiffs to prove a more solid connection between their injuries and the actions of those they are suing than a dubious, contested and, frankly, DISPROVEN argument that one contributed to the other.

    The plaintiffs declined to appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court.

    The decision helps close the door on global-warming litigation by private plaintiffs. The U.S. Supreme Court offered some hope to plaintiffs in 2007 when it held that Massachusetts could sue the E.P.A. for failing to enact rules to control CO2 emissions that threatened the state’s coastline. That seemed to affirm the basic idea that CO2 was a pollutant covered by the Clean Air Act. But the Supreme Court eased that door shut last year with Conn. v. AEP, where it said Connecticut must wait until or unless the EPA issues regulations before suing individual companies over emissions. The Ninth Circuit also dismissed a lawsuit by Inuit villagers against ExxonMobil and other companies, citing the political question doctrine.

  11. Bob Roberts says:

    Radical environmentalism has resulted in the death of over a quarter as many people as died in all the twentieth century wars and genocides put together. The EPA planned changes would dismantle the economy of the US and lead to lost jobs and greatly degraded lifestyle of American’s and out children and grandchildren. It is time to stand up against them.

    Senator James Inhofe (R-Okla.), Ranking Member of the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works, welcomed the news that the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) Office of Inspector General (OIG) has agreed to his request to investigate EPA’s handling of two advisory committees that have shown a troubling lack of impartiality: the Clean Air Science Advisory Committee (CASAC) and the Advisory Council on Clean Air Compliance Analysis (ACCACA).

    Last year, the Republican Environment and Public Works Committee staff uncovered specific areas of concern with EPA’s Clean Air Act Advisory Committees. As a result, Senator Inhofe sent a letter to the Inspector General of the EPA Arthur A. Elkins in August asking that the OIG investigate these concerns. Importantly, these committees played a key role in the advisory process for the tightening of the National Ambient Air Quality Standards (NAAQS) for ozone and particulate matter (PM). Of course, the NAAQS for ozone were withdrawn by President Obama, in part, due to concerns over scientific integrity.

  12. Bob Roberts says:

    OMG, someone call lao, Jessee Jackson, Al Sharpton, Maxine Waters, Obama and Mikhail Muhammad ACT 2! The DEA (“the man”) killed a black man in Laredo! Where are the usual suspects? Shouldn’t the New Black Panthers be issuing a statement announcing a million dollar bounty against the DEA about now?

  13. Screwy Puppy says:

    EPA Loses at Roshambo

    No one seems to get that the big deal is that the EPA broke the law and got smacked down hard. All the stories keep talking about how the EPA revoking a permit it had no permission to do so was overturned by the court was good fo jobs, or bad for the environment. The EPA broke the law and lied to the press.

  14. TED says:

    You probably are not aware, because the new media has not covered this?
    But Obama’s 8th grade, 13 year old daughter, took a few of her girl classmates, on spring break, to Mexico. Oh, almost forgot the best part, and 25 secret servicemen.
    Estimated cost of this spring break trip- $2.5 million!!!
    Doesn’t that give you a warm and fuzzy feeling that your tax dollars are being spent so wisely?

  15. Here is some moonbat tech — eco friendly sex toys

  16. GoY says:

    Preparing to cash in:

    “Monday, an attorney for Martin’s mother confirmed that she filed trademark applications for two slogans containing her son’s name: “Justice for Trayvon” and “I Am Trayvon.” The applications said the trademarks could be used for such things as DVDs and CDs.”

  17. Fiberal says:

    The New York City school system bans offensive words.

    “Dinosaur” is banned – apparently people who don’t believe in evolution might be offended.

    People like muslims and the conservative right.

    I am so proud.

  18. Bob Roberts says:

    You know, I expect I’ll be proven wrong about this, but after hearing the arguments, day 1, over obamacare, after hearing what the different USSC justices had to say during those arguments, I’m not 100% convinced the predictions the court’s 4 liberal justices will all vote to uphold obamacare are accurate.

    Sure, there are valid reasons for guessing that to be the case, but I’m thinking that they’re at least putting on a show of doing their job if not actually doing so.

    Asking the sort of questions they’ve been asking certainly would make it more difficult to explain why, afterward, they support the law in the end.

    We will have to wait and see.

  19. Bob Roberts says:

    Fiberal says: March 27, 2012 at 5:03 am

    Interesting story. Surprised they would ban “dinosaur”. Even strict creationists believe in dinosaurs – they simply believe humans and dinosaurs coexisted.

    Or so I’m told.

  20. Bob Roberts says:

    conservativeBC says: March 27, 2012 at 4:25 am
    Here is some moonbat tech — eco friendly sex toys

    I’m not going to the link… so I have to ask, what makes them “eco-friendly”? Do they melt in your _____, not in your hand?

  21. Bob Roberts says:

    Anne says: March 27, 2012 at 3:48 am

    Elderly patient left on the floor while Muslim nurse was praying
    Hey, ya gots ta have ya priorities straight!

    Now can the care facility fire her for failing to do her duties appropriately without getting into a big deal over religious discrimination?

  22. Fiberal says:

    Even strict creationists believe in dinosaurs – they simply believe humans and dinosaurs coexisted.



    Nothing about what these people believe would surprise me.

  23. Dr. 9 says:

    It’s becoming quite clear, once again, what happens when you believe what the MSM and the professional race-pimps like Sharpton and Jackson tell you. The highly sanitized, choir-boy image they tried to portray of the FL. 17 year old is falling apart more each day. You can bet the Marxist-in-Chief is sorry he got involved, or soon will be.

  24. Bo Jangles says:

    Found with womens jewelry and a screwdriver? In the real world that’s called a burglar.

  25. Sam Adams says:

    AC says:
    March 27, 2012 at 7:03 am

    New EPA rule may effectively ban most new coal-fuel plants

    I hope some members of the United Mine Workers hear about this. The EPA will be costing them a lot of jobs.

  26. Sam Adams says:

    AC says:
    March 27, 2012 at 7:04 am

    Paul Krugman: ‘Stand Your Ground’ Laws Increase Incarceration by Reducing It

    Krugman’s understanding of stand your ground laws apparently is a comprehensive as his understanding of economics.

    Here’s the facts:
    98% of the time when a potential victim of a crime produces a gun, no shots are fired. Further, in most cases, the perp will withdraw rather than attempt to continue their criminal activity, resulting in no crime committed, no police report filed, and no official statistics gathered as to “crimes prevented by a defendant being armed.”

    The best estimates are that armed victims stop between 750,000 and 2,500,000 crimes in the US every year.

  27. AC says:

    I hope some members of the United Mine Workers hear about this. The EPA will be costing them a lot of jobs.

    There’s plenty of room underneath the tires of Obama’s bus, right next to the union construction workers who were hoping for work from a swift approval of Keystone XL.

  28. Sam Adams says:

    There’s plenty of room underneath the tires of Obama’s bus, right next to the union construction workers who were hoping for work from a swift approval of Keystone XL.

    True, that. However, most union drones will continue to support whatever democrat is running. One day they may understand that union management doesn’t necessarily have their best interests at heart.

  29. Hail The Amberlamps! says:

    Hanoi Jane the communist traitor is picked to play Nancy Reagan?

    Agitprop, revisionist agitprop. Who in their right mind would fund or watch such a ridiculous move?

    Oh wait, “The Butler” about multi-administration black White House employee. Hate-White racial grievance theater of the absurd, i.e, the magic negro. Bet the Butler could travel time and solve pi to 2,000 decimal places in his head while reciting Shakespeare.

  30. StanInTexas says:

    Dave, as I said in another post…

    We need a TRAYVON Counter here. Now that Mama Martin has copyrighted his name, I would not want her to be deprived of one CENT of the Exploit-My-Dead-Child money she has coming.

    This would make a FINE addition to your site!

  31. Hail The Amberlamps! says:


    The 80 year old black racist was just in the room when the evil gun went bang and shot the innocent black economic justice protestor, just turning his life around to become an .

    Therefore the gun and its manufacturer are racist and responsible.

    Got to sue the whiteys, especially when they own businesses with deep pockets.

  32. Wilberforce says:

    HTA, I hadn’t thought about the angle of suing the gun manufacturer. Hmm…they should also go after the racist bullet next, it obviously altered it trajectory and *chose* the boy scout 😉

  33. Wilberforce says:

    Zimmerman is a registered Democrat also. Hoo boy, things are just NOT going well for the progs today…

  34. J says:

    Shooter Zimmerman a registered Democrat…

  35. J says:

    Narrative Fail: George Zimmerman A Registered Democrat, Self-Identified Hispanic…

  36. cmon people says:

    Wanted to point something out to the sheeple hereabouts:

    There are infinite posts hating on Obama. Everything he does. No matter how sane or logical… hate hate hate. OK. Some people are haters. Whatever.

    The questions for the room is this: Have you noticed that you have ZERO posts in favor of anyone or anything ELSE?

    Where are the posts about Santorum, doing yeoman’s work to return America’s women to the 12th century? Clearly some of you fuckers are Santorum voters… why not talk about WHY?

    Where are the posts about Romney, defending how corporations are people, too, and fuck the little guy? Clearly some Romney voters around here… but they keep silent to avoid pissing off the Mormon-hating subset. I guess.

    What are you in favor of, besides hating other people? What are the positions, platforms, and leaders that you do like? Don’t want to remove a pointless missile shield in Poland? Tell us why. Support it. Don’t want gay people to be allowed to exist in civil society? Support it. Give a factual basis for your statements.

    You never seem to do that. Ever. Hate hate hate… “I’m mad as hell, and I don’t ever seem to know why!”

    What are you in favor of? Bigotry ain’t much of a winner in the marketplace of ideas, but if that’s your cup of tea… take a position and defend it.

    Whine whine whine… but never anything like a solution. Just complaints.

    You people should be ashamed of yourselves… but you aren’t even smart enough to know it.

  37. J says:

    cmon people, idiotic Yoda-isms about hate don’t make you sound wise, they make you sound like a middle high schooler.

    Remember, Yoda was a green latex puppet.

  38. wingmann says:

    Nice to live in America where one has
    Constitutional rights as innocent until proven guilty…oh wait,sorry…

  39. Hail The Amberlamps! says:

    New Black Pansies threaten to burn Detroit (LOL!):

    Lot’s of wonderful social justice raw video in link. h/t weasel zippers


    St. Skittles worshippers seek economic justice at local Walgreens on their way to martyr rally:

  40. FrankW says:

    I just want to make sure I have the whole liberal race ranking thing down, 1 being most preferred, 10 being least:
    1. Black
    2. Gay
    3. Islamic (I know, not a race, but libs think so)
    4. Hispanic
    5. Jewish (If in Israel, add 5 points)
    6. Pacific Islanders
    7. Native Americans (except when they want a non-Florida school to keep the tribal name.
    8. Miscellaneous.
    10001. Anything else
    1 short of infinity, whites.

  41. Robert S. Pierre says:

    Woman Claims PTSD After Being Bit by a Rat

    The store’s staff told her not to pick up the rat.

  42. Bob Roberts says:

    SHEESH, where to begin?

    It’s been a pretty bad day for lao and his ilk. I guess I’ll start local and then go global.

    First, in the case of Michael John Kobulnicky, accused of kidnapping, rape, yada yada yada and, oh yeah, did you hear he was formerly associated with the San Diego Tea Party (THANKS LAO!).

    Naturally lao and the liberal media, who were calling for his head, played up the Tea Party link even though he had disassociated with them (took a leave of absence for “personal reasons”) some time previously.

    Well guess what. I told lao he might want to SHUT HIS MOUTH before certain FACTS were released and he was shown, once again, to be a COMPLETE IDIOT and an A$$.

    Of course, lao didn’t listen.

    Well, here’s the FACTS that are now public:

    1) Michael John Kobulnicky did pick up a woman and offer to take her home and she did, VOLUNTARILY, accompany him to Fiesta Island. How do we know this? Because, on the way, after passing her house, Kobulnicky stopped at a drug store, went in, leaving her outside, able to leave if she was truly being “kidnapped” as the police are claiming, yet she did not.

    2) Kobulnicky does admit that things progressed and they did have CONSENSUAL sexual contact of some sort. It has not been revealed exactly what that contact was but apparently it wasn’t intercourse, or that’s the story as it stands now, from the only person who would know who has any credibility at this point – to understand what that means, keep reading.

    3) The victim initially identified Kobulnicky from the grainy, poorly focused video from the store where he stopped and went in while she waited outside.

    4) The victim was later given a “six pack” of sharp, clear photos of Kobulnicky and five other men and asked to pick out the man that she claimed raped and kidnapped her. She said his picture was not present in those photos even though Kobulnicky’s photo was there.

    5) In court the alleged victim stated, to the judge and everyone else there, that Kobulnicky IS NOT THE MAN WHO RAPED HER. She’s made this statement several times now and also adds that she’s upset that, while Kobulnicky sits in jail, the man who raped her is running free.

    But wait, there’s more!

    6) Several people have come forward and have stated that this woman bragged/admitted to them that she was going to make up false allegations against Kobulnicky in order to get attention &, hopefully, money, either by extorting it from him or from those who would want to interview her over this incident.

    7) This is not the first time this woman has made false rape accusations – in fact it’s supposedly the 5th or 6th.

    So, lao, how do you like me now?

    Moving on… see next post!

  43. Bob Roberts says:

    It’s a bad day for lao and the other lying lunatic moonbats, part 2!

    OK not sure if I’ll stop after part 3 at this point, will have to see, but in part 2 of disaster day for lao, we’ll move on to a summary of the current state of the Zimmerman/Martin case.

    Not only does it turn out Zimmerman isn’t white, according to the left (he’s Hispanic, a “person of color”, not white, except, apparently, when they need him to be white so they can manufacture a racial angle), but he’s also a REGISTERED DEMOCRAT.

    That’s right. They’re turning on one of their own, as they often do, when they see a gain in doing so.

    So I put it to all you “liberals”/Democrats, why is it you stay with a party that will throw you under the bus whenever they feel it’s politically expedient to do so?

    And the rest of the facts are pretty well know, excuse me, THE FACTS, so I’ll sum up a few of the critical ones:

    Zimmerman spotted Martin acting suspicious and began to follow him in his SUV, notifying police and doing his best to avoid any problems.

    Here’s where it gets iffy, but the evidence suggests:

    Martin noticed Zimmerman following him, told his G/F (he was on the phone with her) and she told him to run away. Martin said, “I’m not running” or words to that effect. Instead he did “run”, he ran and hid, which caused Zimmerman to stop and get out of his vehicle to see what Martin was up to.

    We should pause here and mention some other FACTS despite lao’s allergies to same:

    Martin was previously caught with women’s jewelry he could not properly account for and burglary tools.

    There had been a series of burglaries in the neighborhood coincident with his presence there – though I’m not implying knowledge Martin was involved and in fact I have no evidence to suggest that. The reason I bring this up follows.

    Martin was walking slowly, in the rain, in a way that Zimmerman felt was indicative he was casing the houses. Zimmerman’s conversations with the 911 dispatchers confirm that Zimmerman felt Martin was potentially involved in one or more burglaries.

    So anyway, back to the timeline. Zimmerman noted that Martin had suddenly taken action to evade him so he got out and looked for him but, not finding him, headed back to his SUV.

    At that time Martin came up from behind him, surprising him, and said [paraphrased from available sources and accounts], “Do you have a problem” and Zimmerman replied “No” at which time Martin said, “You do now” and then Martin initiated a life-or-death struggle and wound up dead as a result.

    I do NOT condone what happened in a general sense – both of them should have handled the matter differently. Martin should not have made it a matter of life or death. However, the only FAIR conclusion, given the FACTS, is that Zimmerman had reasonable fear for his health, safety and life and was justified in shooting Martin due to his unprovoked, vicious attack.

  44. Bob Roberts says:

    It’s a bad day for lao and the other lying lunatic moonbats, part 3!

    In what might be the final installment, for now, it seems bad things came in threes for lao and his ilk today. Well, it actually started yesterday, when, at the Supreme Court, even the liberal wing of the court ripped the obamunists case to pieces, for the most part. Ginsberg did make up for it a bit today, revealing clear bias when she fed the obamunists lawyers their arguments. Still, the first big loss for the obamunists was the dismissal of any chance this case would be postponed to 2015. It was pretty funny to see the justices tearing up the obamunists lawyer for trying to say that the penalty was a tax, but it wasn’t, then having to be reminded he was scheduled to argue, today, that it was indeed a tax.

    In any case, as I posted earlier, the way the liberal wing was tearing into the obamunists lawyer you would think one or more of them were going to vote to strike down obamacare. Still I have a nagging feeling that they’re just putting on the usual dog and pony show so that people will miss their blatant bias. You know, for instance, that Kagan was only appointed to the court because she was the administration’s lead cheerleader for obamacare and was a chief strategist looking forward to the day it would have to be defended in court. There is simply no way any reasonable person could claim she’s unbiased in this case.

    So the individual mandate is being demolished by the justices during oral arguments.
    JUSTICE KENNEDY: Mandate Fundamentally Changes Relationship of Gov’t.
    ROBERTS: Can the gov’t require you to buy a cell phone?

    A top legal analyst predicted Tuesday that the Obama administration’s healthcare reform legislation seemed likely to be struck down by the Supreme Court.

    Jeffrey Toobin, a lawyer and legal analyst, who writes about legal topics for The New Yorker said the law looked to be in “trouble.” He called it a “trainwreck for the Obama administration.”

    So why is it so dire, either way this ends, for the obamunists and Obama himself?

    First, let’s say the court comes down 5-4 and in this scenario they save obamacare. Well, remember Scott Brown? He’s the guy who took “Kennedy’s (yeahRITE) seat” in the U.S. Senate, in lunatic liberal moonbat Massachusetts. He did it by promising to vote against obamacare. Voter sentiment is running about 2 to 1 against obamacare and, should it squeak by in the USSC, you can bet there will be a full court press by EVERY conservative or libertarian group to get Obama and Democrats everywhere out of office. Sort of a “win the battle, lose the war” situation.

    But let’s say it goes the other way. Let’s say it’s still 5-4 but this time obamacare, or at least critical parts of it, are declared unconstitutional and thrown out.

    Well that won’t leave Obama much to run on – he can’t talk about how he’s made us energy independent, how he’s created jobs, how he’s saved the economy, how he’s lowered the price of gas. In short, he had two issues: obamacare and Treyvon Martin.

    Looks like both of those are just huge boat anchors poised to take his campaign straight down.

  45. Bob Roberts says:

    Dimwit moonbat tweets Zimmerman’s address… only he GOT THE WRONG ADDRESS!

    Filmmaker Spike Lee tweeted the wrong home address for George Zimmerman, the Sanford, Fla., man who many are claiming should be arrested for shooting and killing Trayvon Martin. The tweet could have potentially put the woman who actually lives at that address in danger.

    The Washington Times’ Kerry Picket went to the address that Lee tweeted as members of the New Black Panther Party were offering a $10,000 cash reward for Zimmerman’s capture, “dead or alive,” and others were demanding his arrest.

    “[T]he Edgewater Circle address Mr. Lee re-tweeted out is not part of the gated Retreat at Twin Lakes where the shooting took place and where Mr. Zimmerman lives,” Picket reported. “The area is not even a gated a community.”

    “In fact, I took a drive to that Edgewater Circle address that so many on Twitter re-tweeted and cursed, and I discovered through a neighbor, named Tim, who lives across the street from the address, that not only does George Zimmerman not live at the lakeside house but a woman by the name of Elaine does,” Picket added.

    I believe the woman has an open and shut civil suit against Spike Lee. Potentially a million or more, at least. He’s put her, her property and any family or friends in “grave danger”. “Is there another kind?” .

    I hope she pursues it.

  46. Bob Roberts says:

    Where are lao, Obama, Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton on this case? Why aren’t they all over it? A black guy got shot! THE HORROR!

    Should have put all four rounds center mass.

    Why is this illegal alien criminal still in the country? Obama almost crashed into a Framingham police cruiser the night of the arrest. Once pulled over, the DA said Obama’s speech was slurred, “his eyes were red and glassy and there was an odor of alcohol coming from inside the motor vehicle.” Obama then failed several field sobriety tests and his blood alcohol was almost twice over the legal limit.

    I can’t imagine a more blatantly wrong example of miscasting. It’s just wrong.

    At long last the Democrats finally propose a budget, or rather, a DISASTER!


  47. J says:

    Florida Leftist Group Paying People $10 Hour To “Protest” Against Allen West…

  48. J says:

    New Black Panther Party Head: “This Is White Supremacy, We Will Burn” Detroit Down If Governor Appoints Emergency Manager To Help Stop Financial Meltdown…

  49. J says:


  50. son of a preacher man says:

    “New Black Panther Party Head: “This Is White Supremacy, We Will Burn” Detroit Down…”

    So to combat white supremacy you are going to burn down a city that is > 80% black? Geniuses one and all.

  51. Jester says:

    cmon people says:

    Obama is sane and logical

    Santorum returns women to the 12th century

    Romney fucks the little guy

    missile shields are pointless

    don’t want gay people

    Hate hate hate

    Bigotry ain’t much of a winner

    Whine whine whine

    Wow. More fully automated self-righteous Canadian college Moonbat catch phrases. How incredibly…. original.

  52. berlet98 says:

    The Trayvon Martin Bonfire

    Themes of Tom Wolfe’s blockbuster 1987 novel, The Bonfire of the Vanities, are being played out in real time in Sanford, Florida with the tragic death of Trayvon Martin serving as background and inspiration.

    In Bonfire, white bond-trading “Master of the Universe” Sherman McCoy is falsely confused of killing a poor, black Bronx youth in a hit-and-run accident.

    McCoy is arrested, hounded by the media, crooked politicians, and African-American activists into bankruptcy. He loses his family and contemplates suicide, not because of anything he actually did but because of what may best be described as a bizarre societal frenzy.

    Henry Lamb, the dead victim in Bonfires, becomes the central character in a circus of political and racial dysfunction; Trayvon Martin has become the center of shameful exploitation of a young man’s unfortunate death.

    Characterized by the MSM and his other supporters as an innocent, high school honors student who wouldn’t hurt a fly even though his death occurred late at night when he and a friend approached McCoy’s vehicle on a dark Bronx street in what most people would regard a threatening fashion, Lamb is all but canonized in the book as Martin has been in real life.

    Neither was a saint anymore than Sherman McCoy or George Zimmerman were saintly.

    Certainly, few comparisons can be drawn between the cocksure millionaire McCoy and Zimmerman, except for the comparably baseless campaign of villification by the media and professional black exploiters.

    Based on available evidence and eyewitnesses, twenty-eight year old, half-Latino, Neighborhood Watch captain, George Zimmerman, is being unjustly crucified.

    He has been painted as a murderer. The New Black Panther Party has posted “Wanted Dead or Alive” signs in Sanford. Spike Lee has tweeted his home address and he has been forced to go into hiding. The usual provocateurs have descended on Sanford to instigate hatred and discord.

    Adding a farcical note, the president of the United States leapt into the fray. Barack Hussein Obama tends to do that when he scents a political advantage as he did in the Rush Limbaugh-Sandra Fluke matter. Obama ostensibly wanted to insure a fair and just investigation into Martin’s death, implying that local and state authorities would have whitewashed the incident had he not intervened.

    Adding an almost comic touch to the month-old tragedy, Trayvon’s grieving mother laid out $650 to trademark “Digital materials, namely, CDs and DVDs featuring Trayvon Martin,” etc. not, mind you, so she could cash in on her son’s death. (

    Aside from turning a tragedy into a travesty, Trayvon Martin’s shooting has evolved into yet another example of African-Americans turning a regrettable incident into a world-class debacle.

    Much like Wolfe’s novel concerning Sherman McCoy and Henry Lamb, local and national media depicted Trayvon Martin as an innocent young man who was merely carrying a package of Skittles and a can of iced tea home to a younger sibling when he was senselessly accosted, followed, and shot by a trigger-happy Zimmerman.

    However, just as Lamb turned out to be anything but an innocent victim in Bonfires, apparently Martin was not exactly what the racially-conscious, politically correct media presented him to be. . . (Read more at

  53. Sam Adams says:

    defending how corporations are people…

    Corporations have rights simply because they are subject to taxation and regulation.


    Don’t want to remove a pointless missile shield in Poland? Tell us why. Support it.

    Ever heard of the phrase “better to have something you don’t need than to need something you don’t have.

    You call the missile shild “pointless.” I’m not sure what your defense credentials are, but I suspect that military strategy isn’t on your resume. If you take a look at Europe, Poland is in the middle of the road if Russia decided to invade Western Europe. It also isn’t a bad location to intercept missiles from the Middle East heading north.

  54. Sam Adams says:

    cmon people says:
    March 27, 2012 at 10:31 am Wanted to point something out to the sheeple hereabouts:

    There are infinite posts hating on Obama. Everything he does. No matter how sane or logical… hate hate hate. OK. Some people are haters. Whatever

    Obama promised to fundamentally transform the United States. That is what he is attempting, although it is contrary to the Oath of Office that he took to protect and defend the Constitution. As soon as he does something to show his love for the Constitution and/or ordinary Americans in the private sector, then I’m more than happy to return that love.

    Can you think of any examples of Obama’s actions that I should embrace?

  55. Ghost of FA Hayek says:

    hate hate hate. OK. Some people are haters. Whatever
    Invest in a mirror already

  56. Robert Peahl says:

    I’ve got the feeling cmon is just a driveby poster getting his giggles from coming here every so often to “screw with” conservatives.
    I’ve tried to engage him on a couple occasions, but he won’t respond. He’s too unintelligent to read responses to his diatribes apparently. Just needs to get the cash for trolling so he can “score”, maybe.

  57. Bob Roberts says:

    This is too good… my responses to selected comments:

    cmon people says: March 27, 2012 at 10:31 am
    Wanted to point something out to the sheeple hereabouts:

    If you and lao would only stop showing up there would be NO sheeple here…

    There are infinite posts hating on Obama. Everything he does. No matter how sane or logical…

    There is NOTHING I can think of that Obama has done that was either sane or logical.

    Have you noticed that you have ZERO posts in favor of anyone or anything ELSE?

    That’s a LIE – maybe not in this particular THREAD but we’ve pointed out things we like here in this space before and we will do it again.

    Where are the posts about Santorum, doing yeoman’s work to return America’s women to the 12th century?

    Another LIE – and look, the sheeple are falling for it. Santorum and Republicans are the ones who truly want to empower women, not treat them as sex objects who use abortion as the preferred method of birth control and wind up psychologically scarred for life when they realize they’ve murdered their babies.

    For the record, and you can go back and check, I’ve said that while I’m not all that pleased with Santorum in some ways (because nobody’s perfect), I would gladly pick him over Romney and Gingritch, AND ANY OF THEM ARE WAY BETTER THAN OBAMA! That’s not hate, that is A FACT!

    Where are the posts about Romney, defending how corporations are people, too, and fuck the little guy?

    Oh, wait, so you’re upset over Citizens United yet I’m sure you don’t have a problem with all the union influence in politics, right? I mean you would NEVER question that, right?

    Yet another LIE – when you look at all the corporate cronies Obama has rewarded, only to have them go bankrupt and stick it to both the American taxpayers and their workers and suppliers (and so also their suppliers workers, and so on), when you look at all the money Obama and Democrats rake in from Corporations, you get an idea of who is REALLY the friend of corporations.

    As for your little rant in the middle:

    First, you’re the only one who’s suggested that ANYONE doesn’t “want gay people to exist in civil society”. Though I’m a little tired of them engaging in public sex acts at every “gay pride” event.

    The missile shield in Poland was not “pointless” – the fact you would even say that proves how little you know about world/current events and proves it’s pointless to point out to you (but I will point out to others) that it is NECESSARY because the world is allowing Iran to get nuclear weapons and delivery systems that will allow much of Europe to come under nuclear blackmail without it.

    As for the question of hate – look at how YOU and YOURS keep talking about it, bringing it up and, in the case of Zimmerman/Marting, FERMENTING IT!

    What are you in favor of, besides hating other people? What are the positions, platforms, and leaders that you do like? Don’t want to remove a pointless missile shield in Poland? Tell us why. Support it. Don’t want gay people to be allowed to exist in civil society? Support it. Give a factual basis for your statements.

    Hate hate hate… “I’m mad as hell, and I don’t ever seem to know why!”

    You seem to be confusing us with “occupy”.

    Whine whine whine… but never anything like a solution. Just complaints.

    Yet ANOTHER lie… we have a solution – NOBAMA 2012! Stick around for a year or so and you’ll see it in action!

    You people should be ashamed of yourselves… but you aren’t even smart enough to know it.

    Coming from someone who’s proven they’re as clueless as you, we can only sigh and wonder what mirror you’re looking in when you said that!

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