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Apr 02 2012

Open Thread


On a tip from TED.

113 Responses to “Open Thread”

  1. Gunny G says:

    With the lens caps on Obuttwipe is seeing his favorite color, BLACK!

  2. AlphaMail says:

    The American Dream? Where, I don’t see it.

  3. Festivus says:

    World’s Largest Solar Plant, With Second Largest Ever Department of Energy Loan Guarantee, Files For Bankruptcy

    Solar Trust of America’s DOE loan was roughly four times as big as Solyndra’s ($2.1B)

  4. SeaFoamGreen says:

    My dad and uncle were in the USAAF. Uncle flew BT in 17’s out of Glatton, England.

    The idea that this thug has the guts to put on a bomber jacket turns my stomach. “Hey punk, you gotta have a lot of frequent flier miles over places like Hanover, Schweinfurt, Wilhelmshaven, Bremmen and Berlin before you earn the right to put on a jacket like that.”

  5. nobody says:

    Where is my little Bitch tonight?

  6. Henry says:

    You just have to laugh at what photo-op obsessed, incompetent SCoaMF, our Tool-in-Chief is.


  7. AlphaMail says:

    I would like to repost what ‘nobody says’ posted earlier, but with a comment.

    These are Americans who dream the American Dream and put everything on the line to back up their love for our way of life. These men and women live on a handshake, not a contract. They dance and sing and play in the face of sudden death, because they dance and sing and play for you, and us, and America the Beautiful.

    George Washington called his men “Christian soldiers” because they loved the Lord and fought for righteouness and freedom. And they do today.

    Love Christians or hate us, we won’t blow you up – we’ll dance and sing and play in the face of death so you can have the simple right to love us or hate us – to “occupy” or to pray, or to otherwise live your life in the manner you please.

    You live freely in America ONLY because of these loving courageous neighbors – most of whom believe in the Lord.

    Army Airborne all the way. And to all you Semper Fi’s – we be bro’s.

  8. AlphaMail says:

    SeaFoamGreen @ 9:47 pm

    Hey, every good Commander-in-Chief starches his leather flight jacket.

  9. Jimbo says:

    See how his jaw is strangely cocked? He’s looking into a binocular-kaleidoscope full of images of him and Reggie in… ‘impossible’ angles.

  10. Bob Roberts says:

    AC says: April 2, 2012 at 10:26 pm

    Evil bastard should have been sent to the chair.

    Not sure his was the case, but my recollection is Mexico gave him up on the condition he would not get capital punishment.

    He’s 58. In prison I doubt he will live much past 70 anyway. If he does the whole quarter and lives through it he’ll be 83 when he gets out. Can you really imaging him getting “time off for good behavior”? I doubt it.

  11. Bob Roberts says:

    Excuse me – he gets 1 year for time served, meaning out at 82, not 83.

  12. Bob Roberts says:

    Oh, read the link: U.S. Attorney Laura Duffy said the case tied up resources for more than two decades and that prosecutors decided to opt for the plea agreement because they knew Arellano Felix would not be released until he is almost 80. Then he will be sent to Mexico to serve 22 more years, she said.

  13. Bob Roberts says:

    FBI feared Russian “superspy” nearly compromised Obama cabinet official. Who? Hillary Clinton?

    Van Jones: Obama Wouldn’t Lose Black Vote If He Admits He’s Gay Really? yaTHINK?

    So which has worked better? Capitalism or obamunism?

    Wherever you go that there is entrenched socialism, you have tyranny and totalitarianism. And you don’t have human life anywhere near as just flat-out enjoyable as it is in the United States, and that might be part of the reason Obama and people like him are mad. It could well be that they look at it as just not fair, that the United States has such wealth, such opportunity for contentment, pursuit of happiness, enjoyable lifestyle, expectation of all that. Maybe that’s what bothers them. It’s unfair. In fact, I think it is. I think a lot of Obama’s belief is rooted in it’s time we found out what it’s like elsewhere in the world. The problem is he thinks that the way it is elsewhere in the world is our fault because we’ve taken, we’ve stolen, or we’ve conquered or what have you.

    You boil it all down to a very simple explanation, and Obama is running for reelection on this premise: the United States of America is the problem in the world, not the solution. And that, folks, is scary.

  14. AC says:

    From what I’ve heard, the article is incorrect in that the time spent in Mexican custody on behalf of the US does not count for time served. That would violate his due process rights.

    You really think this multibillionaire is going back to a Mexican prison when he gets out? This isn’t some drunken illegal alien who ran down kids in a crosswalk. This is Benjamin freakin Arellano.

    Osiel Cardenas also got 25 years and will be out again one day.

    Electrocuting them would be merciful. If we treated them how they treat their victims, then their faces would be removed with a belt sander, before they’re cut up joint by joint with a chainsaw and burnt in a 55 gallon drum or dissolved in acid.

    I have a better idea: how about the State Department grows some balls and demands that, if we are going to continue helping Mexico, they turn over the worst of the scum with no strings attached? If not, we seal the border, shut off the money transfers, cut off the foreign aid, and leave them to their own devices.

    If they think they can hold a guy like El Lazca then they’ll be on their own. If they want our help in taking massive liabilities off their hands, then it should be on our conditions, one of those conditions being that these scum receive a punishment which fits the crime.

    At least Juan Abrego is serving life without. He should have been sent to the chair, but at least he’ll never walk the street again.

    Suppose that Lazcano (age 38) is captured and extradited, because Mexico can’t hold him. Is 25 years just? What sort of punishment does he deserve?

  15. AC says:

    For the record, I don’t expect Lazcano to ever be taken alive, but it is a situation we should consider if we are to consider the fundamental question of whether our justice system is indeed dispensing justice.

  16. nobody says:

    @ AlphaMail

    Airborne right back at you! Air Assualt, also! Ungowa, ungowa, we jump the tower!

    Traded my led sleds in for Gold Wings! Have many mass tacticals under the belt (very busy airspace over the DZ).

    Semper Fi,

  17. AC says:

    I have an even better idea: how about we let El Min free immediately, provide he’s turned over the Juarez municipal police department for further processing in one of their fine jails.

    At least then he would get a taste of the Mexican “justice” he dished out for so long. Why waste space in our prisons with such scum?

  18. AC says:

    Bob, I’d like to hear your plan for the upcoming extraditions of La Barbie and El Diego. Both of them are in their 30’s.

    Is 25 years enough?

  19. berlet98 says:

    Exploiting and Fearing Trayvon Martin

    Commenting on the February killing of Trayvon Martin in Sanford, Florida, Stephanie Cutter, Obama’s Deputy Campaign Manager, said on MSNBC last week that President Barack Hussein Obama’s ”Republican opponents have jumped all over him because they do want to play politics with this issue.”

    In apparent reference to Obama’s inappropriate intrusion in a local matter and making it personal by saying, “If I had a son, he would look like Trayvon,” Ms. Cutter went on to add that, “The President spoke from his heart on this, it was trying to empathize with some parents who had just lost a child. By any measure, this was a tragedy and we need to let the investigation take its course.” (

    Ms. Cutter is in serious need of a reality check.

    As with the 2009 incident between Cambridge cop, Sgt. Joe Crowley, and Professor Henry Louis Gates, Jr., when Ms. Cutter’s boss rushed to judgement and alleged Crowley acted “stupidly” without knowing any details about the confrontation, the president has again acted stupidly by intruding himself in the investigation.

    Coincidentally, that intrusion occurred just eight months before a national election as Obama is trying to shore up his black and minority bases.

    It is the president, his rabid supporters such as Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Louis Farrakhan, and the New Black Panther Party, and his mainstream media who have shamelessly exploited the death of Trayvon Martin.

    Even if Republicans wanted to politicize Martin’s death, what political gain could be achieved by exploiting the shooting a black youth?

    The only advantage that could be gained would accrue to Democrats and their media lapdogs to use the shooting to tar Republicans with a racist label and as a tool to push for tighter gun control, both of which efforts have already begun and neither of which makes much sense.

    First of all, George Zimmerman is a registered Democrat and half Latino so, if blame must be assigned, blame Democrats and minorities.

    Second of all, since the Democrat Party is hell-bent on gutting the Second Amendment, their focus should be on the African-American community where most gun crimes are committed and where there exists justifiable fear of black men.

    In a rare excursion into honesty, Rev. Jesse Jackson said in March, 1996, “There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery. Then look around and see somebody White and feel relieved.”

    As President Barack Hussein Obama admitted in March, 2008, his white grandmother . . . (Read more at

  20. Sam Adams says:

    Removing the lens caps is only necessary if you want to see something. If you already are convinced that you know what you will see, no need for actually looking.

    Obama has his vision, and he isn’t going to let anything or anyone change or alter his viewpoint in the least.

  21. Bob Roberts says:

    Wow, California might just go GOP! Have you heard? Obama just lost the stoner vote! Obama just can’t keep his hands off thriving businesses. He reaches out and destroys them.

    And while I’m troubled by the supposed Arizona Internet Censorship bill, it’s not all that:

    “H.B. 2549 would make it a crime to use any electronic or digital device to communicate using obscene, lewd or profane language or to suggest a lewd or lascivious act if done with intent to ‘annoy,’ ‘offend,’ ‘harass’ or ‘terrify,’” the letter notes. … ‘Lewd’ and ‘profane’ are not defined in the statute or by reference. ‘Lewd’ is generally understood to mean lusty or sexual in nature and ‘profane’ is generally defined as disrespectful or irreverent about religion or religious practices.”
    “H.B. 2549 is not limited to a one to one conversation between two specific people. The communication does not need to be repetitive or even unwanted. There is no requirement that the recipient or subject of the speech actually feel offended, annoyed or scared. Nor does the legislation make clear that the communication must be intended to offend or annoy the reader, the subject or even any specific person.” the letter continues.

    “His place looked like a week old “occupy” site!

    England swings… just not quite as much during the Olympics!

    (Obscure cultural reference. Anyone get it? Musicians, you’re disqualified.)

    By the way, the “poll” that showed a massive swing towards Obama among women in the swing states? It has sample integrity problems as it suggests a massive swing by independents to Obama. However, no other survey suggests that’s happening. Was this one accidentally or purposefully skewed?

    A Rasmussen survey tells a more honest story.

    The number of Democrats in the United States rebounded in March after falling to a record low in February. However, for the fourth consecutive month, more people consider themselves Republicans than Democrats.

    During March, 36.4% of Americans considered themselves Republicans while 33.4% were Democrats.

    Wow, as I’ve been saying – it’s a terrible year for Obama, lao and their ilk!

    And you know, while it would be tragic and even dangerous to leave Obama in office for another term, we really need to focus on the CONGRESS as well.

    And there the crying may not be over yet for Democrats. Republicans hold a six-point lead over Democrats on the latest Generic Congressional Ballot for the week ending Sunday, April 1.

    A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 45% of Likely U.S. Voters would vote for the Republican in their district’s congressional race if the election were held today, while 39% would choose the Democrat instead. The week before, the Republican led by five points, 43% to 38%.

    This is good news. It’s important, even critical, that the House and Senate continue to move to a more conservative point. It’s sort of like the ocean “acidifying”. The average ocean pH is currently above 7, which is neutral, so it’s alkaline. As it moves down some say the ocean is “acidifying” and, technically, since the pH is dropping, you could say that. But they say that not to inform but to scare. Picture getting the perfect wave, sticking your hand into the glass wall of the tube and drawing back a stump. But that’s not what is happening. Actually as the pH moves down TOWARDS NEUTRAL, ocean water is becoming LESS REACTIVE, not more so. The point is the House and Senate, even among Republicans, has moved so far left that even if it lurches significantly to the right it will still be far left of center. It’s going to take some time to undo decades of Democratic damage.

    Getting back to the greeniacs and their nonsense…

    We’ve already covered the bankruptcy of the world’s largest solar plant and recipient of the DOE’s second largest loan guarantee – $2.1 Billion, while lao and the leftists are distracting us over what they admit was a pitiful band of faux-Nazis who happened to get one thing – the growing threat of islamo-fascism – right, they slipped “Planet Under Pressure 2012 under the radar!

    Seriously, these left-wing lunatics are more dangerous, in the long run, than were the NAZIs. Most people are smart enough not to listen to the NAZI nonsense. Apparently that’s not so true about this enviro-lunacy.

    The truth? This is not a true “environmental” movement. It’s the same old nonsense we’ve been hearing for decades from the anti-growth morons. These people truly believe the only viable solution is genocide on a scale never even considered. Why do you think they’re OK with Iran and North Korea having nuclear weapons and the missiles needed to deliver them most anywhere they desire?

  22. AlphaMail says:

    nobody says

    Ft. Benning. One out at 17,500, open at 2000.

    Shake your own blessed hand. We hate these bastards, but we will die to protect them. God bless America.

    Having said that, no prisoners will be taken if they mistake ‘genuine love of brother’ for complacency.

    With the hearts of lions, we must still protect the lambs, with a first thought of peace.

    Woe be unto them who disregard the offer of peace.

  23. AC says:

    I’d really like to hear lao’s stance on what should become of these examples of extreme evil.

    El Diego admitted to over 1500 murders, car bombings, murders of US consular officials, the liquidation of children’s birthday parties, liquidating hospital wings, etc.

    His confessions were recorded and can be freely watched on Youtube, if you know Spanish.

    What is it, lao? Some counseling? Do you want to analyze his poverty-striken childhood and tell us how society and the big bad Republican drug policy made him the way he is now?

    How about a bunch of diplomatic gobbledygook for why he should get the maximum 25 (less good behavior) under the current candy ass extradition treaty?

    Better yet, tell us why this guy shouldn’t fry in the electric chair within a year of reaching US soil.

    Democrat Harry Truman approved hanging Nazis for far less.

  24. Bob Roberts says:

    Who the heck came up with the name Solar TRUST of America, anyway?

    What is that, some sick joke? Extreme irony and sarcasm all rolled into one?

    This is funny. Imagine if Obama ran Apple!

    Americans are taking after the federal, state and local governments and are spending more than they’re making. This is not a good sign. Since the obamunists are determined to make American money worthless I suppose it’s not that bad a plan to spend lots and lots of it before he does?

    Here’s a neat piece: Obama’s timidity destroying world security.

    Passover questions for Obama.


    And a correction… apparently Solar Trust turned down the DOE loan guarantee I spoke of earlier? So the Obama administration’s proposed loan guarantee was so dumb that the prospective borrower decided not to take it!

    By the way, that $2.1 billion would have saved… wait for it… NINE WHOLE JOBS!

    But wait, THERE’S MORE!

    The company filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection in Delaware on Monday after majority owner Solar Millennium—now under the control of a German bankruptcy professional—stopped putting money into the company.

    The company tried to sell itself last year to another German solar-power company, Solarhybrid. Solarhybrid executives blamed the deal’s collapse on dwindling European subsidies for alternative energy.

    Solar Millennium filed for Germany’s equivalent of bankruptcy in December. Amid the economic crisis, European governments are slashing programs that once made it more affordable for residents and businesses to buy expensive solar systems.
    So Solar Trust was a subsidiary of ANOTHER company that ALSO went bankrupt – why? Because even in greeniac Europe they’ve realized throwing money at alternative energy isn’t going to make the sun shine brighter or longer nor will it make the wind blow longer or harder.

    (Now watch lao come up with some sick nonsense about me making penis jokes.)

    Another major partner (I say that assuming there’s more than two – I haven’t looked into it and the story only mentions two, actually, so perhaps that’s it) realized TWO YEARS AGO that solar was NOT the wave of the future, not mature enough to waste money on just yet.

  25. AlphaMail says:

    Please AC…!

    lao will give you a nebulous one-liner to open the door to an unresolvable confrontation.

    No interchange with this northern cretin has ever found resolution.

    He is the Canadian master of conflict and distortion, and a complete and total waste of valuable creative energy.

    The last thing I want is lao’s stance on anything.

    Actually his stance is probably up close and personal behind the fairy with the plumber’s butt. I hear he is even willing to stop arguing to rub his face in manly Canadian back hair.

  26. nobody says:

    @ AlphaMail

    HALO and HAHO Baby! O2 dries my mouth out to much but is a neccessary evil.

    Semper Fi,

  27. Bob Roberts says:

    So since we know the left is so anti-Christian, why do they still put up with “the most Christian President… ever?

    Why hasn’t the ACLU sued him for his many Bible references?

    Instead they’re probably going after Denzel for saying this:

    “There‘s a book I read called ’The Sociopath Next Door.’ And — I read something from it every day before I would go on the set. It really became my guide. When you think of a sociopath…you think of someone violent. The overwhelming majority of sociopaths aren’t violent. They just have a desire to win. They just don’t have a conscience — they don’t have it. The majority of them are atheists as well. and this “I read this book called ‘The Sociopath Next Door,’ and that was like my Bible, that I related to,” he said. “The traits of a sociopath: No conscience, no sense of remorse, usually atheist, just always want to win, dominate.

    And, finally, it looks like despite their best effort to manufacture new and false evidence in the Zimmerman/Martin case in the name of “waiting for the investigation to be completed”, things are winding down. The best they can do is say that they’ve fiddled and fiddled with the 911 tapes enough so that they’ve reduced the match between the voice calling for help and Zimmerman’s to around 43%. Then, apparently since the match was even lower, they merely proclaim that the voice must have been Martin’s because they don’t dare release the similar data on that comparison after saying that a 43% match rules out Zimmerman.

    What was the match to Martin? 0%.

    Ah, the American Left: Blindly, yet proudly, jumping to false conclusions since Tawana Brawley and Duke Lacrosse.

    I was hasty with the school shooting, perhaps. It was (or so I’m led to believe) a private religious university (Oikos University in Oakland, Calif. ). So actually lao had the odds in his favor. Too bad he didn’t take the wager.

    Witnesses who were in the classroom at Oikos University where the shootings took place said the shooter first ordered students to line up against a wall and then pulled a handgun.

    So what did he use to enforce his demand they line up? His thumb and forefinger in a childish gun shape?

    Anyway, there are indications it caters to the Asian community, so you won’t hear much from Obama, lao and their ilk about it. “Yellow” people aren’t worth their time or attention.

  28. Josh Rackley says:

    Look at ’em all they love me….wait what the fuck is a tea partier doing in my formations………

  29. Ummah Gummah says:


    Counter-Moonbattery from an unlikely place. No I am not talkign about England or Obama’s America. Good to see they are eating Freedom Fries in France:

    Will Rasool Obama deport any moslems? Oh no, he is bringing them in by the boatload!


  30. Josh Rackley says:

    This is a guy u would not want around your family or friends….period. We’ve all known that “cool” guy at some point in our lives that was heralded by everyone around him, even ourselves in the midst, but when u got with your buds you realized this dude is bad news.

  31. Josh Rackley says:

    I think I’m gonna name my dog JunioR(Jr) since this narcicisstic fuck named his dog BO…..and wrote two autobiographies before he was fifty…….well maybe one……wait maybe none. My contempt for this little man is unmatched.

  32. Andrea says:

    high school boy wants to wear traditional Scottish kilt to prom, but his school says “no.” He’s white, so, of course, his traditions, culture, heritage, and rights don’t count for anything.

  33. Sam says:

    Uncle Onyango somehow allowed back on the roads, proving once again that illegal aliens have more rights than American citizens.

  34. FrankW says:

    “Master of conflict and distortion”, perhaps a bit too much credit is given. However others have indicated he is really good at baiting however.

  35. TED says:

    Do you remember the famous ABC radio news commentator Paul Harvey?

    Millions of Americans listened to his programs which were broadcast over 1,200 radio stations nationwide.

    The following commentary was broadcast 47 years ago….
    April 3, 1965.

    If I Were the Devil: Paul Harvey (Warning for a Nation)

  36. wingmann says:

    I hope what he is viewing in those is his future.

  37. wingmann says:

    AlphaMail says:
    April 2, 2012 at 10:09 pm

    Ditto that my friend!

  38. lao says:

    Regarding the tragic shooting at the University in Oakland, bobby @11:52 pm simpers: I was hasty with the school shooting, perhaps. It was (or so I’m led to believe) a private religious university (Oikos University in Oakland, Calif. ). So actually lao had the odds in his favor. Too bad he didn’t take the wager.

    Here’s bobby’s wager: I’m confident enough to say that IF he’s associated with EITHER the Tea Party or “occupy”, my money is on “occupy”.

    You don’t have the balls to come out and say he might be a Tea Party affiliate, do you?

    To which I replied: I do enjoy your willingness to display your utter stupidity.

    For further proof of this, bobby sez this: Anyway, there are indications it caters to the Asian community, so you won’t hear much from Obama, lao and their ilk about it. “Yellow” people aren’t worth their time or attention.

  39. Dupree says:

    If Obama had a son, he would look like Yahaziel Isaac Israel. I mean, look at those ears.

  40. Bloodless Coup says:

    Illegal Alien Mass Voter Fraud Discovered In FL

  41. FrankW says:

    After reading the 9:40 missive from the great undecider I can honestly say lao added nothing to the conversation. He simply made note that other people took a stand. For what it is worth I hope that if I ever commit a major crime, lao is the only witness. The testimony will go like this, “I saw the crime happen. The crime happened. I have dug into my archives and the crime happened.” Too bad the question was “Was Frank the one who did it?”

  42. wingmann says:

    Nothing says”qualified”like getting a journalism award bestowed upon you from the PLO…(cept maybe a noble piss prize):

  43. J says:

    SOLYNDRA 2: Solar company that got $2.1 billion loan guarantee from feds goes bankrupt…

  44. J says:

    FLASHBACK: Obama biggest recipient of BP cash…

    FLASHBACK: Obama biggest recipient of BP cash…

  45. J says:

    Michelle to kids: Tell grandparents they are ‘wrong’ for not voting for my husband…

  46. Bob Roberts says:

    lao says: April 3, 2012 at 9:40 am
    I think, based on what I post versus what you post and a general consensus view, that we all know who’s best known around here for posting stupid stuff.

    That would be you, lao.

    By all means, keep proving us right!

    As indeed more information about the shooter has come out – and he’s looking more and more like an “occupy” alum and less and less like anyone who would be involved with the Tea Party.

  47. Bob Roberts says:


    Here’s an article about “Newsroom”. It’s a liberal view of what a Republican who is a newscaster is supposedly like.

    This first bit pretty much sets the stage, clarifying the liberal mindset:

    “How do you fix breaking news?” is the cheeky tagline for Aaron Sorkin’s forthcoming HBO show The Newsroom.

    How indeed do you “fix breaking news”? As lao has made clear, you demand investigations and ferment racial animosity until the “facts” are rewritten to suit your narrative.

    The ad itself is called “Changed Man,” and it bears out that, well, change isn’t always a good thing.

    If this is accurate, maybe there is some hope. Indeed Obama ran on the “change” mantra and, as we’ve all (well, all of us who are still conscious) noted, most if not all of the change has been for the worse.

    Jeff Daniels plays top-of-his-game news anchor Will McAvoy, who spectacularly undermines his hard-earned reputation for objectivity when he has a Network-size freak-out at a college campus Q&A.

    Reminds me of a certain Democrat who was running for president until he got a wee bit too exited and made a fool of himself on national TV. But I only posted all of the above as a set up for this:

    “When you ask what makes us the greatest country in the world, I don’t know what the f–k you’re talking about,” says McAvoy, who later adds: “I’m a registered Republican, I only seem liberal because I believe that hurricanes are caused by high barometric pressure and not gay marriage.”

    Hurricanes are caused by high barometric pressure? Is that what liberals believe? Remember, he’s PLAYING a Republican, but stating that he “seems” liberal then explains it in this way.

    Name all the CREDIBLE conservatives/Republicans who think that “hurricanes are caused by gay marraige”.

    This is what the left does – creates nonsense and passes it off as fact.

    Just read any of lao’s posts and you’ll see what I mean.

  48. Bob Roberts says:

    J says: April 3, 2012 at 10:35 am

    Already pointed out that I think on the one hand people are misinterpreting/misrepresenting what the proposed AZ law says.

    On the other hand, I think they may have some valid concerns, in this narrow case, that the law, if passed, may wind up being abused and misused.

  49. AC says:

    lao completely ignores my argument, again.

  50. lao says:

    AC, if you are referring to your query @11:19 pm, you started off with this statement: I’d really like to hear lao’s stance on what should become of these examples of extreme evil.

    If you had stopped there, I’d have responded.

    Instead, you revealed your real agenda. You chose to answer your question by inventing your own stupid straw man notions that supposedly represent what I believe.

    I expect your fantasyland statements will now solidify your ignorance.

  51. AC says:

    If you had stopped there, I’d have responded.

    This is point/counterpoint, which is what politics is all about.

    Since you’re probably unfamiliar with that case, I laid out the crimes of the heinous criminal in question.

    If my argument is a straw man, then refuting it should be easy.

  52. lao says:

    Here’s the strawman: What is it, lao? Some counseling? Do you want to analyze his poverty-striken childhood and tell us how society and the big bad Republican drug policy made him the way he is now?

  53. AC says:

    So refute it. How should this monster be punished?

  54. lao says:

    AC, you tried to claim that your stupidity represents my opinion. It doesn’t.

    You are apparently not satisfied that this guy will never get out of jail and have fantasized (as you enjoy doing) about all sorts of gruesome tortures you’d like to see inflicted upon him.

    Amazingly enough, torture of prisoners is frowned upon in most civilized societies.

  55. Bob Roberts says:

    As if we needed more proof of the radical media bias towards the left.

    A sample of the nonsense:

    Dean Singleton, chairman of the Associated Press board, introduced President Obama this afternoon at a speech to news editors in Washington. But Singleton didn’t just tell the audience the president was the next speaker—the supposed newsman offered lavish praise for the Democratic president.

    “President Obama made history as the first minority to be elected president,” said Singleton. “Even many who opposed his election felt proud of our country as he took the oath of office.”

    Once again Palin captures the pulse of mainstream America: ABO 2012! Sarah Palin doesn’t sound too gung-ho about Mitt Romney as the GOP presidential candidate, but she insists that anyone is better than Barack Obama

    I like her much better as a commentator than a candidate at this point.

    MA drivers & pedestrians beware: Obama’s drunk uncle is back on the road! Onyango Obama, 67, who lost his regular license for 45 days last week, scored his limited license yesterday from the Registry’s Wilmington branch, after convincing a hearing officer that life without wheels would have posed an undue hardship on his livelihood as a liquor-store manager.

    Oh brother… look what Obama is claiming now!

    Obama Warns GOP Would Make Weather Prediction Less Accurate Yeah, like when liberals FALSIFY DATA to attempt to realize their political and ideological goals.

    And here’s the truth about Obama:

    Ryan – who’s become a top voice for the Republican Party on fiscal matters – accused Obama of putting forth a “failed agenda” that does nothing to ease the nation’s mounting $15 trillion debt.

    “History will not be kind to a president who, when it came time to confront our generation’s defining challenge, chose to duck and run,” Ryan said. “The president refuses to take responsibility for the economy and refuses to offer a credible plan to address the most predictable economic crisis in our history.
    “Like his reckless budgets, today’s speech by President Obama is as revealing as it is disappointing: While others lead by offering real solutions, he has chosen to distort the truth and divide Americans in order to distract from his failed record,” added Ryan, who is in Wisconsin campaigning with Mitt Romney ahead of Tuesday’s primaries there. “His empty promises are quickly becoming broken promises – and the American people will hold him accountable for this violation of their trust.”
    House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) echoed that critique, accusing Obama of “shrinking” from the debt challenge.
    “If the president were serious, he would put forward a plan to deal with our debt crisis and save Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid for future generations of seniors without raising taxes on small businesses that are struggling in this economy,” Boehner said in a statement. “Instead, he has chosen to campaign rather than govern, and the debt crisis he is presiding over is only getting worse.”

    Getting a “journalism award” from the PLO is a lot like getting a “good citizen” award from the Manson family.

    Oh, so now ice cream trucks are the blame for tantrums? I believe that once the trucks are gone the kids will find something else to have tantrums about. The parents need to learn how to parent. Taking away the trucks won’t teach them.

    Illegal aliens to get “unlawful presence” waivers.

    Mitsubishi mothballing wind turbine factory.

    Michelle trying to recruit children to sway grandparents to vote for Obama.

    THE LIES CONTINUE State Attorney Norm Wolfinger released a statement on Monday saying he is “outraged by the outright lies” contained in a letter written by the attorney of Trayvon Martin’s parents, who are seeking a federal review in the case. Martin family attorney Ben Crump said he is asking the U.S. Justice Department to review the investigation for possible interference by Wolfinger’s office on the night Martin was shot to death by Neighborhood Watch leader George Zimmerman.

    Crump sent a formal request to the Justice Department on Monday, saying, “within hours of the shooting in which Trayvon Martin was killed, Sanford Chief of Police Bill lee met with State Attorney Norm Wolfinger. We also believe that family members of shooter George Zimmerman were present at the police department. It was further revealed that State Attorney Norm Wolfinger and Chief Bill Lee overruled the recommendation of the lead homicide investigator, Chris Serino, who recommended that George Michale Zimemrman be arrested for manslaughter for killing Trayvon Benjamin Martin.”

    Wolfinger said he was “outraged by the outright lies contained in the letter…” and he, “encourages the Justice Department to investigate and document that no such meeting or communication occurred.”

    “I have been encouraging those spreading the irresponsible rhetoric to stop and allow State Attorney Angela Corey to complete her work,” Wolfinger said. “Another falsehood distributed to the media does nothing to forward that process.”
    In the letter, Crump also says that Serino filed an affidavit stating that he did not find Zimmerman’s statements credible in light of the circumstances and facts surrounding the shooting.

  56. Bob Roberts says:

    Trying to have a battle of wits with lao is like showing up at a duel with a pistol and he’s got a straw and a bunch of spitwads.

  57. Bob Roberts says:

    I suppose a lucky spitwad in the eye could be problematic, though.

  58. Bob Roberts says:

    By the way, lao, that was just a lure, and you went for it:

    lao says: April 3, 2012 at 9:40 am
    As I’ve pointed out, the more information comes out about the shooter, the more he fits right in with “occupy” and wouldn’t be caught dead at a Tea Party rally.

  59. AC says:

    AC, you tried to claim that your stupidity represents my opinion. It doesn’t.

    You are apparently not satisfied that this guy will never get out of jail and have fantasized (as you enjoy doing) about all sorts of gruesome tortures you’d like to see inflicted upon him.

    Amazingly enough, torture of prisoners is frowned upon in most civilized societies.

    So then tell us your opinion.

    My opinion is that all of them should have precisely zero chance of ever breathing free air again, made possible by use of the death penalty.

    I never called for them to be tortured. I said that judicial execution would be merciful compared to how they routinely treated the victims of their monstrous crimes.

  60. Bob Roberts says:

    “The guy on the bottom who had a red sweater on was yelling to me: ‘help, help…and I told him to stop and I was calling 911,” he said.

    Trayvon Martin was in a hoodie; Zimmerman was in red.

    The witness only wanted to be identified as “John,” and didn’t not want to be shown on camera.

    His statements to police were instrumental, because police backed up Zimmerman’s claims, saying those screams on the 911 call are those of Zimmerman.

    “When I got upstairs and looked down, the guy who was on top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point,” John said.

    Zimmerman says the shooting was self defense. According to information released on the Sanford city website, Zimmerman said he was going back to his SUV when he was attacked by the teen.

    Sanford police say Zimmerman was bloody in his face and head, and the back of his shirt was wet and had grass stains, indicating a struggle took place before the shooting.

  61. lao says:

    Uh-huh, then you suggested he be turned over to the Juarez police so THEY could torture him.

    I’m aware you favor the death penalty. I had no problem with timmy mcveigh being executed. Apparently capital punishment was not an option in this case. Life behind bars with no chance of getting out, which is what he got, works fine by me.

  62. lao says:

    bobby quotes: “I have been encouraging those spreading the irresponsible rhetoric to stop and allow State Attorney Angela Corey to complete her work,” Wolfinger said. “Another falsehood distributed to the media does nothing to forward that process.”

    What’s your line bobby? You quote it, you own it. Unfortunately you don’t follow that sensible advice do you? Over and over and over you babble the party line on this issue.

    What have I been saying for a week and a half? I am quite content to allow the investigations already under way to run their course.

  63. Reagan Conservative says:

    Never letting a manufactured crisis go to waste, black congresscritters push for more gun control, repeal of stand your ground, and federal oversight of neighborhood watch groups in homage to St. Skittles

  64. lao says:

    Obama: Ronald Reagan Couldn’t Have Won GOP Primary Today

    The challenge we have right now is that we have on one side, a party that will brook no compromise. And this is not just my assertion. We had presidential candidates who stood on a stage and were asked, “Would you accept a budget package, a deficit reduction plan, that involved $10 of cuts for every dollar in revenue increases?” Ten-to-one ratio of spending cuts to revenue. Not one of them raised their hand.

    Think about that. Ronald Reagan, who, as I recall, is not accused of being a tax-and-spend socialist, understood repeatedly that when the deficit started to get out of control, that for him to make a deal he would have to propose both spending cuts and tax increases. Did it multiple times. He could not get through a Republican primary today.

  65. StanInTexas says:

    What have I been saying for a week and a half? I am quite content to allow the investigations already under way to run their course.

    TRANSLATION from Lao: “I’ll wait for the investigation, but unless Zimmerman is found guilty and severely punished, I will NEVER accept the results of that investigation.”

  66. AC says:

    Uh-huh, then you suggested he be turned over to the Juarez police so THEY could torture him.

    That was a sarcastic comparison between the integrity of our justice system and the complete lack of integrity in the cartel-run Juarez municipal police force.

    I’m aware you favor the death penalty. I had no problem with timmy mcveigh being executed. Apparently capital punishment was not an option in this case. Life behind bars with no chance of getting out, which is what he got, works fine by me.

    El Diego has confessed to nearly ten times the body county of McVeigh.

    Benjamin Arellano has a chance of walking free again.

    La Barbie and El Diego will almost certainly walk free even after 85% of the maximum 25 years in federal prison following extradition.

    Is this just? Should we be applying diplomatic pressure to Mexico to ensure that justice is done? Remember, we’re doing a Mexico a huge favor by accepting and paying to house these cartel chiefs. Their justice system is ill-equipped to handle high ranking cartel operators.

  67. Bob Roberts says:

    lao says: April 3, 2012 at 2:35 pm

    Yes, I do quote it AND I DO OWN IT. You’ve been posting those very irresponsible things here then claiming we should just let the investigation continue without interference – THE INTERFERENCE WHICH IS COMING FROM THOSE WHO SAY THE THINGS YOU POST!

    You’re the one taking both sides of the street here, AS USUAL.

    I’m not “babbling” ANYTHING and the only “party line” is from commie scum like you who want to see a public lynching of Zimmerman, though you hide behind claims you just “want to let the investigation take it’s course” while you prove otherwise with your posts?

    What, exactly, is it that you claim is the “PARTY LINE”, anyway?

    Your hope is that the “investigations underway” will manage to reverse PROVEN FACT and replace fact with the fictions you’ve been posting from time to time about the case. Every time we investigate people like you whine because we find out more evidence that bolsters the case FOR Zimmerman and AGAINST Martin.

    You’re a HOOT!

    As for,

    lao says: April 3, 2012 at 2:39 pm
    It’s likely you’ve found a story that will eventually reveal an extremist – and while he will likely be identified as a right wing extremist due to his target, I’ve met some on the left who didn’t agree with the murder of unborn children, so don’t get too sure of yourself just yet!

    Now if you’re suggesting he’s in any way representative of run of the mill conservatives or Republicans I can already assure you you’re wasting your time.

    While I can understand what would drive a person to a complete sense of frustration over Planned Parenthood and their efforts to push abortion, planting bombs is not the right way to deal with it and I hope this guy, assuming it’s not another case of mistaken identity as was one of the last cases you highlighted here, gets what he has coming to him if indeed he did plant and detonate a bomb.

  68. FrankW says:

    For what it is worth I have minimal issues with torture of certain criminals. I am huge on let the punishment fit the crime. So do whatever we want here and then dump his broken butt on the Mexican side of the border. There are just times when draconian punishment is the right thing to do.

  69. Bob Roberts says:

    lao says: April 3, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    So Obama says Reagan could not win GOP primary today?

    I agree, SINCE HE’S DEAD!

    Seriously, this is just more of your attempts, and Obama’s attempts, to distract us from what matters: The abject failure that is Obama.

    Good luck with that strategy.

  70. J says:

    Narrative Fail: Zimmerman The Only Person Who Stood Up For Homeless Black Man Beaten By Cop’s Son, Spent Countless Hours Trying To Organize Black Community To Seek Justice…


  71. Ghost of FA Hayek says:

    Greek disability benefits for the blind pay out to taxi drivers and bird hunters

  72. TonyD95B says:

    RE: Bob Roberts at April 3, 2012 at 3:00 pm:

    “So Obama says Reagan could not win GOP primary today?

    I agree, SINCE HE’S DEAD!”

    Yeah, but unfortunately it also means Reagan might VOTE Democrat……

  73. Bob Roberts says:

    TonyD95B says: April 3, 2012 at 3:54 pm

  74. Festivus says:

    I see that lao is again using Dave’s blog to serve his own purposes and push the leftist ideology.

  75. Festivus says:

    btw, a la Gunther.

  76. Bob Roberts says:

    You know lao spent Valentines Day with his X

    (box 360)

  77. AC says:

    Listen, lao, I understand the delay.

    It must be tough to post an opinion when you have to check back for what that opinion is supposed to be.

    I’ll just assume the guy who clears the talking points is out of the office and couldn’t give you the go-ahead to agree to put mass murderers to death.

  78. lao says:

    Listen AC, you DON’T understand the delay.

    You do love your absurd assumptions even though they are 100% wrong.

    We’ve come full circle back to you creating your own imaginary straw men, demonstrating that you have not learned a thing.

  79. Festivus says:

    AC, he doesn’t care about your stuff. It’s abundantly clear that he will stay strictly on message except when engaging Bob or Stan.

    He’s only interested in getting out his leftist message to any open ear that might stray past this blog.

    Dave has a principle going on which I entirely respect, but there is little difference between Gunther and lao in the end.

  80. AC says:

    Listen AC, you DON’T understand the delay.

    You do love your absurd assumptions even though they are 100% wrong.

    We’ve come full circle back to you creating your own imaginary straw men, demonstrating that you have not learned a thing.

    You’re still dodging direct questions.

    Have you considered a career in Congress?

  81. lao says:

    These direct questions?

    Is this just? Should we be applying diplomatic pressure to Mexico to ensure that justice is done?

  82. lao says:

    festus, what “leftist message” have I offered here? A link to the Planned Parenthood bomber?

    Maybe you should just spend your entire evening digesting ALL the links that bobby and j have provided. You will be in far right heaven.

  83. Festivus says:

    Point/Counterpoint is one thing but lao’s post of 2:53PM demonstrates that he is more than happy to co-opt Dave’s blog to serve his own purposes – a liberal opinion talking point that is unsolicited and not on (counter)point to anything.

    An offensive/attack simply as an attempt to try and smear. Romney is more conservative than Reagan? Really? Only an operative would dare attempt that assertion.

    That’s all they got. We should all take some comfort in that (sort of).

    There is little difference between lao and Gunther IMHO.

  84. lao says:

    Um festus, this IS an OPEN THREAD and the statements quoted were from Obama. It seems to me that your side might have some interest in knowing what Obama is saying.

    If his remarks hit too close to home, well get ready for an interesting election.

    As for the umlaut kid, he was notorious for his stupid parroting of communist cliches and doctrine.

  85. AC says:

    These direct questions?

    You seem far more concerned with the metapolitics than with having to take a stand on whether a 34 year old man who murdered at least 1500 people will be adequately punished by 85% of a 25 year sentence.

    I even gave you a chance to blame Bush. The horribly short sentence given to former CDG kingpin Osiel Cardenas happened on Bush’s watch.

  86. lao says:

    Blame whomever you want AC.

    Lots can happen in 20 years.

    You obviously have far more background, and certainly more interest, in these cases than I do.

    As for the real reason for my “delay”, I’m packing for a camping trip and will be gone for the next three days.

    Do at least try to avoid coming up with more imaginary reasons as to why I’m failing to comment on your earth-shaking concerns.

  87. Festivus says:

    lao says: April 3, 2012 at 9:39 pm

    Um, this is a conservative blog. A place where conservatives gather to post conservative posts to conservative threads and discuss accordingly.

    Don’t get me wrong, I think liberal counterpoints add to the discussions and not necessarily in a negative way.

    But that’s not what you’re up to (increasingly so).

    An Open Thread is a conservative Open Thread, nonetheless (it’s Dave’s blog in the end, so I will naturally leave it up to him).

    When you post an opinion piece like the one at 2:53 PM, that is not solicited or directly on point (or, rather, in counterpoint to what something someone else has posted), you are attempting to use this blog as your own blog – using it as a platform to parrot leftist “cliches and doctrine.”

    There’s no difference. This is not your blog. That post would be much better suited for a liberal blog, say the HuffPo, MM or Kos. It really serves no purpose here other than to attempt to co-opt this blog for a leftist purpose – spreading an unsolicited message that is not a counterpoint to anything posted here.

    You are taking advantage of Dave’s good nature in letting you run amok on this blog.

    Again, it’s not my blog either, so Dave rules. That is just my observation.

  88. FrankW says:

    Alrighty then, what is the cause for the delay? The going theory is that you have to wait for missives from above or dive into the massive cross reference you maintain in order to get to a response. Either of those indicates not thinking for yourself.
    My premise is that you simply look for ways not to take a stand. I had a relative like that. When the waitress comes to the table and asks coffee, tea, or pop, he would answer, yes.

  89. lao says:

    Thanks frankie for demonstrating you can’t read.

    See @9:51 pm.

    Keep wasting your time concocting some more theories.

  90. FrankW says:

    Yet delays happen on multiple occasions. Must be a lot of camping trips. This explains one of many. Really the delays do not bug me that much. The bigger irritant is the lack of a decisive position. You post yet expect others to think you have no opinion of the issue. Every time you are requested to clarify a position on almost any subject you nitpick something and then deflect the topic. Same with this one.

  91. Bob Roberts says:

    lao says: April 3, 2012 at 9:51 pm
    Do find a way to not come back, will you?

  92. Bob Roberts says:

    lao says: April 3, 2012 at 9:05 pm
    What is it called when one constructs a straw man about people constructing straw men? That’s one of lao’s specialties!

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