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May 04 2012

Open Thread


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74 Responses to “Open Thread”

  1. Bloodless Coup says:

    More like Forward to the gulags or FEMA re-education camps.

  2. Bob Roberts says:

    I’d say he qualifies as “the 1%”. Why is Obama so cozy with him? Imagine the howling trolls and Democrats would do if fossil fuel company profits doubled. Obama’s friend’s profits double and you don’t hear a peep!

  3. Bob Roberts says:

    Henry says: May 4, 2012 at 7:58 pm
    More intimidation for the USSC from Maobama and his goons.
    Sounds like Obama is threatening to make a big mistake if he doesn’t get his way.

    What a pathetic little tantrum-throwing spoiled brat!

  4. Bob Roberts says:


    Wow, the troll really messed up this time! Back in October we reported that Neo-Nazi Jason Todd Ready was patrolling the #Occupy Phoenix camp with AR-15′s.

    Turns out not only was J.T. a Democrat, he was also an occu-tard!

  5. Bob Roberts says:

    <a href="TEXT “>Forward = Backward! Check out the video!

  6. Bob Roberts says:

    OCCUPY Southern Poverty Law Center!

    In light of the May Day arrests of the Cuyahoga 5, the Occupy Wall Street–affiliated group of men who planned to blow up a bridge in Cleveland, Ohio, I called the Southern Poverty Law Center to find out of they had any plans to start tracking the Occupy movement. The first person I spoke to was so shocked by the question that she paused for a good 15 seconds before promising to put me in touch with a representative. This she eventually did, however, and after a game of cat-and-mouse — the person she’d found for me was busy “hosting an international conference on right-wing extremism,” natch — we managed to touch base and I to pose the question: “Do you have any plans to start tracking Occupy Wall Street after a hate group tried to blow up a bridge?”

    “No, I don’t think so,” he said.“We blogged it right away when it happened.” I asked him why he thought this deserved only a blog post, and he explained that the SPLC only deals with “hatred of people based on class characteristics.”

    Oh, you mean like when people talk about “the 99%” and “the 1%”, based on relative wealth?

    “We did go after the eco-terrorists,” he told me. “But that was because they’d adopted the same tactics as the abortion activists: vilification, the use of ‘Wanted’ posters, highlighting the names and whereabouts of people’s children and spouses.”

    Funny, I didn’t hear them get too vocal when people were calling for Zimmeran’s to be caught, dead or alive.

    And then he went on a long speech about “anti-abortion extremists” that had very little to do with what I was asking, but no doubt made him feel good. I met this with silence, so he said that, really, the SPLC only tracks those who commit violence or who seek to destroy whole systems in the name of an ideology.

    “Isn’t that exactly what happened in Cleveland?” I asked. “These five men, all linked with Occupy Wall Street, attempted to blow up a bridge as an overture to the wholesale destruction of Cleveland, Ohio, and in the name of anarchism. They also looked to blow up the Republican convention.”

    “They were anarchists,” he repeated.


    He paused. “We’re not really set up to cover the extreme Left.”

    He felt the need to keep explaining, so I let him. We only ever cover left-wing groups when they have a right-wing component, he told me.


  7. Bob Roberts says:

    OOPS, I don’t know what I did, but I’ll do it right this time, hopefully:

    Forward = Backward! Check out the video!

  8. Bob Roberts says:

    The theme of this open thread makes a great point.

    Back in the days of the Great Depression, Democrats did exactly what had to be done to ensure the Depression was both long and deep.

    Now Obama is trying to repeat that feat.

    Now I don’t know for sure that the Democrats knew what they were doing – but how could they have NOT known – back then.

    But I know, this time, they know EXACTLY what they’re doing – for they’ve openly stated that this is exactly what they need to do to have the result that it certainly must have if they’re not stopped.

    NOBAMA 2012. Sweep Democrats/”liberals”/”progressives” out in all branches of government.

  9. Bob Roberts says:

    FDR’s policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate

    After scrutinizing Roosevelt’s record for four years, Harold L. Cole and Lee E. Ohanian conclude in a new study that New Deal policies signed into law 71 years ago thwarted economic recovery for seven long years.

    “Why the Great Depression lasted so long has always been a great mystery, and because we never really knew the reason, we have always worried whether we would have another 10- to 15-year economic slump,” said Ohanian, vice chair of UCLA’s Department of Economics. “We found that a relapse isn’t likely unless lawmakers gum up a recovery with ill-conceived stimulus policies.”

    In an article in the August issue of the Journal of Political Economy, Ohanian and Cole blame specific anti-competition and pro-labor measures that Roosevelt promoted and signed into law June 16, 1933.

    A Recipe for the Next Great Depression

    Along with the ascendancy of the Democratic Party to control of the executive and legislative branches of government has come the repetition of the tired, old mantra of an alleged need for a “new New Deal.” God help us. The original New Deal unequivocally made the Great Depression much worse, and much longer-lasting, than it would otherwise have been.

    A very old story is once again being retold, with a few of the characters’ names updated to besmirch the innocent. In this story, conservatives are to blame for an economic crisis because they allegedly believe there is no role for government in the economy, and all economic crises are due to lax regulation of markets.

    William Leuchtenburg, possibly the greatest authority on the FDR era, wrote some time ago, “Almost every historian now recognizes that the image of Hoover as a ‘do-nothing’ president is inaccurate.”

    After the stock market crash of 1929, Hoover browbeat business leaders to keep wages and prices high. He invested heavily in public works projects. He pushed for an international moratorium on debts. He created the Reconstruction Finance Corporation, which later became a home for many of FDR’s Brain Trusters. Hoover increased farm subsidies enormously.

    Some of Hoover’s interventions were good but ineffectual. A few were very, very bad and very effective.

    In 1932, Hoover in effect repealed Calvin Coolidge’s tax cuts, increasing the rates for the poorest taxpayers by more than 100 percent and hiking the top rate from 25 percent to 63 percent. Worse, contrary to his own better instincts, Hoover signed the disastrous Smoot-Hawley trade bill that raised protectionist walls at precisely the moment the world needed trade the most. Then there’s this idea that FDR rode to the rescue, saving the day by untying the American people from the railroad tracks of runaway capitalism. Former Clinton Treasury Secretary Lawrence Summers, now a surrogate for Barack Obama, recently said on NPR: “It’s very tempting to always think that the government should just stand back and let the private sector sort these problems out. That’s the kind of thinking that made the Depression Great.'” Summers should know better (in fact, I’m sure he does). The Great Depression was not made “Great” by government inaction. Indeed, FDR’s New Deal may have been wonderful in some mytho-poetic sense, and maybe some of its reforms can be defended in some broader context, but as an effort to end the Great Depression, the New Deal was a failure. As my colleague Mark Steyn writes, “Lots of other places – from Britain to Australia – took a hit in 1929 but, alas, they lacked an FDR to keep it going till the end of the Thirties. That’s why in other countries they refer to it as “the Depression,” but only in the U.S. is it ‘Great.'”

    The Depression was set off by the federal controls of the Hoover administration, but “FDR’s economic policies made the Great Depression much worse” and “caused it to last much longer than it otherwise would have,” economist Thomas DiLorenzo writes in his history of American capitalism. We have more to fear from new, misguided federal controls than we do from the existing crisis.

  10. Bob Roberts says:

    Fresh Debate About FDR’s New Deal

    It has been 70 years since Franklin Delano Roosevelt launched his New Deal in an effort to banish the Great Depression of the 1930s — perhaps the most important economic event in American history. The New Deal was controversial then, and it’s still controversial, because it failed to resolve the most important problem of the era: chronic unemployment that averaged 17 percent.

  11. Rides A Pale Horse says:

    The TRUTH about “Julia”

  12. AC says:

    According to new research from UMass Amherst (surprise, surprise), nine month old babies are racist

  13. AC says:

    Nuevo Laredo: Los Zetas hang nine from a city bridge (warning: graphic)

    Right across the border, while Obama does nothing to protect America from spillover violence.

    You have to wonder, when will Mexico join the 21st century?

  14. F.D.R. in Hell says:

    The idea behind dragging out the Depression was to ensure I’d be re-elected to multiple terms in office to “finish the job.”

    As Bugs Bunny used to say, “Ain’t I a stinker!”

  15. TED says:

    AND this is what a Liberal fights so hard to kill.

    One of the lefts MAIN issues, who are the “MEAN” ones?

  16. Smorfia48 says:

    If you were in any doubt that clinging to leftist dogma requires the wilfull denial of reality:

  17. Ghost of FA Hayek says:

    States that embrace free-market principles are beating jurisdictions that prefer big government to within an inch of their lives.

  18. Sam Adams says:

    I’m looking for a quote.

    What was it that Obama said on the 2008 campaign trail when asked if he would support higher taxes on the rich, even if it meant slower economic growth? Something about “fairness.”

  19. Sam Adams says:

    Milton Friedman on the role of government:

    Government has three primary functions. It should provide for military defense of the nation. It should enforce contracts between individuals. It should protect citizens against crimes against themselves or their property. When government – in pursuit of good intentions – tries to rearrange the economy, legislate morality, or help special interests, the costs come in inefficiency, lack of innovation, and loss of freedom. Government should be a referee, not an active player.

  20. Sam Adams says:

    A look back to 2008 at what was predicted to result from the Obama Tax plan. This guy nailed it.

  21. Sam Adams says:

    AC says:
    May 5, 2012 at 6:50 am

    East Germany: Capitalism revitalizes the decay of communism (picture slideshow)

    Leftist never get the connection. One can look at photos of Detroit then and now to see the decay brought on by creeping socialism, yet they still don’t “get it.”

    They always want to blame others….such as “white flight” as the reason that big government projects continue to fail.

    BTW, the photos of Chicago’s south side where Obama “organized” also show the results of his “organizing.”

    Thanks, socialists.

  22. Bob Roberts says:

    In what has to be the screamer of the decade, a handful of moonbats have been coming out with “proof” of various dubious kinds, concerning how & why conservatives/Republicans are mentally below moonbats on all sorts of topics, from science to politics and beyond.

    Never mind that experience shows daily it’s the other way around.

    Examples abound – here’s one:

    Pete Stark, the nigh-on-half-a-century Democratic congressman who believes that Solyndra, which is based in his district, is an automobile manufacturer: “I wish I had a big enough expense allowance to get one of those new ‘S’s’ that Solyndra’s going to make down there, the electric car,” he told the San Francisco Chronicle this week. “My 10 year old is after me. He no longer wants a Porsche. He wants dad to have an ‘S’ sedan.”

    Yeah, that’s right. Solyndra was making cars. Solar cars.

    And the reason they painted the letter “S” on them was that so, wherever they went, people would say, “Look at that S car go”.

  23. Bob Roberts says:

    Berkshire vice chairman reveals anti semitic streak


    “Gold is a great thing to sew into your garments if you’re a Jewish family in Vienna in 1939,” the Berkshire vice chairman said, “but I think civilized people don’t buy gold, they invest in productive businesses.”

    You see, Jews apparently aren’t civilized people. They’re too busy sewing gold into their garments to worry about starting/running productive businesses.

    Of course, thanks to Obama and the Democrats, there essentially is no longer any such thing as a productive, profitable business. Too many taxes and regulations.

  24. Bob Roberts says:

    Chances are she’s a moonbat

    Karin Bennett, 63, heard meowing noises coming from close to her washing machine and began to search for her cat Tabitha.

    She searched her neighbor’s house — where the adventurous cat likes to visit — and her kitchen cabinets, oven and fridge but was unable to find the animal.

    QUESTION: If YOU hear meowing near your washing machine, are you going to then go look for your cat at your neighbor’s house and in your kitchen, or are you going to look AROUND AND IN YOUR WASHING MACHINE?

    Here’s my take on it. The cat was in the laundry basket. The woman threw some laundry in over the cat and then threw the laundry into the washer and started it.

    It seems the woman is likely too old to be a responsible pet owner at this point.

  25. Bob Roberts says:

    Not one of the 14 people admits what really happened.

    Fourteen people in at least nine states have been sickened by salmonella after handling tainted dog food from a South Carolina plant that a few years ago produced food contaminated by toxic mold that killed dozens of dogs, federal officials said Friday.

    Who actually touches dog food that they’re feeding to their dogs? I don’t know ANYONE that touches the food while preparing it for their pets.

    Do you?

    Apparently the economy is so bad they’re eating dog food, low grade dog food at that, but too ashamed to admit it.

  26. Bob Roberts says:

    Thirty-three times since 1998, states have voted on same sex marriage ballot measures. Thirty-two of those times common sense won out and marriage remained a union between one man and one woman, as it should be.

    Nobody tells any LGBTQ person they can’t get married. Nobody’s civil rights are being violated.

    They just have to follow the same rules everyone else does. That’s all.

  27. AC says:

    You see, Jews apparently aren’t civilized people. They’re too busy sewing gold into their garments to worry about starting/running productive businesses.

    As much as I disagree with Munger’s statements on gold, what he said wasn’t anti-Semitic. His statement concerning “civilized people” implied that people who participate in a modern, capitalist society will hold their surplus capital in banked accounts and productive investments, rather than non income generating collectibles, be they gold, baseball cards, etc.

    Society is bettered when producers reinvest their surplus into further production.

    Modern, civilized society did not begin to emerge from feudalism until banking and merchant trading began.

    He’s right, on paper. When the system is honest, economic surplus should be reinvested into growth or held in banked accounts.

    His analysis fails because it does not account for our dishonest system of unsound money and the trouble of finding an investment-worthy business without worrying about red tape or cronyist assistance to the competition.

    Fleeing to gold makes sense because our money isn’t honest, our stock valuations overinflated by the printing of dishonest money, and our businesses subjected to the heavy hand of big government.

    Holding gold is a vote of no confidence in the system.

    Holding gold is about a return of capital instead of a return on capital.

    What does it say about the current financial system that fleeing to gold today is like fleeing to gold in Nazi Germany?

    His statement implied that the Jews in Nazi Germany held gold out of necessity. His language was a slur against gold, in that he believes that anyone not facing a crisis such as Nazism would be foolish to hold non income producing assets. The talk of civilized/uncivilized is a direct reference to Keynes’s assessment of the gold standard as a “barbarous relic.”

    Munger is a private businessman who oversees an enterprise the public doesn’t deal with directly. He isn’t trained to speak in the politically correct language of our elected weasels.

  28. Bob Roberts says:

    When the government raises taxes, the wealthy move to tax havens.

    But wait a minute. London a tax haven?


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    François Hollande, the Socialist candidate who leads the presidential race after the first round of voting last week, wants to impose a tax rate of 75 per cent on income above €1m and at the launch of his bid in January.

  29. Bob Roberts says:

    I keep forgetting the FT slips that dumb “don’t cut and past” into their articles.

  30. Fiberal says:


    Interesting that you would follow up your INK spot with that gullible post. viz, “Using vague monosyllabic words to fool the gullible since 1917.”

    Just channelin’ Freud.

    So let me get this straight. Since there are certain constraints to (what I presume would have to be topological) math models when applied to human development, fetal development is therefore beyond comprehension and by definition, must be “magic”.

    Very enlightened, but total hogwash.

    I mean, isn’t the biggest problem with global warming predictions and weather in general, that the math models are woefully incomplete and inaccurate?


    So you can’t have it both ways to suit your predilections.

    In fact, math models in general are not very good tools to predict dynamic nonlinear phenomenon. It’s hard enough to just model liquids or knots in rope as separate phenomena. It’s perhaps arguable that at the outset, an conceptual integration of those systems to represent first-order characteristics of embryonic development is impractical with today’s math and available computer power.

    But that doesn’t mean that biology is “magic” and therefore irreducibly complex. In fact, everything your INK Spot guy was discussing is known in great detail down to the genes.

    Your INK guy is taking what has not been or cannot be fully applied in mathematics to embryology and then concluding that the presumptive deficit represents irreducible complexity.

    That’s an intellectual cop-out and mop full of sloppy, dripping propaganda.

    A bit of gratuitous advice: The trick your sweated-up (liar) INK guy is playing, is in not asking solid biological questions and then concluding that there are no possible answers and therefore the system must be irreducibly complex.

    Well, it is for him at least.


    And BTW, when choosing propagandists that try and wear science as some kind of esteemed crown of intelligence, check the quality of the propaganda. The INK spot guy misspelled “vertabrae” (sic) in his cartoon film.

    That means something about precision.

  31. Bob Roberts says:

    Just for that… here is some more from the same article so you don’t have to bother to follow the link!

    Inquiries from French clients had risen by roughly 40 per cent since the speech, says David Blanc, a partner at Vestra Wealth, a London-based wealth manager.
    “I have definitely seen strong interest in what could be done to protect assets both for people resident in France but also for French nationals who are UK resident,” said Mr Blanc, a former UBS executive.
    The prospect of a Gallic diaspora of high earners was backed up by Knight Frank, the property agent, which said numbers of French web users searching online for its prime London properties online in the past three months had risen 19 per cent compared with the same period last year. The equivalent figure for Europe as a whole fell 9 per cent.
    “The election seems to have pushed a growing number of wealthy French to consider their options for where they are likely to base themselves in the future,” says Liam Bailey, head of research at Knight Frank.
    London’s status as an international finance hub as well as its proximity to France make it a natural choice for French professionals rattled by the campaign’s hostile mood towards the wealthy. Enclaves of French expatriates are firmly established in areas such as Belgravia and South Kensington, close to the Lycée Français Charles de Gaulle, a popular secondary school.
    The departure of France’s business people, entrepreneurs and the young for opportunities overseas is not a new phenomenon. When Nicolas Sarkozy visited London in 2007 he called for its French residents to return to a reformed France under his presidency. But the trend has been accelerated by the growing possibility of a Socialist victory in Sunday’s decisive second round of the presidential election.

  32. Bob Roberts says:

    AC says: May 5, 2012 at 9:31 am
    That’s another way of looking at it, yes.

  33. Fiberal says:

    Whoa! Joke’s on me.

    Forgot to close italics.

  34. Bob Roberts says:

    And here’s our troll reacting to news Jason “J.T.” Ready was not only a Democrat, BUT ALSO AN OCCU-TARD!

    Horror!… Neo-Nazi #Occupy Phoenix Protester Goes On Shooting Rampage – 5 Dead

    Yes, in fact “J.T.” was an “occupier”.

    Perhaps that’s part of why the troll has apparently been conspicuously absent for a while?

    Maybe Blount can add, besides “OPEN THREAD”, a daily (or better, weekly, on Saturdays!) thread called “REDUNDANCY, IGNORANCE and MISINFORMATION” and restrict known trolls to posting there and there alone. That way anyone reading that thread would know that they’ll likely find nothing but nonsense from trolls there and can avoid it if desired. Any troll comments on any OTHER thread would be deleted when noticed if not wholly blocked from the start.

  35. Bob Roberts says:

    Fiberal says: May 5, 2012 at 9:38 am
    Sometimes, even though I get the code right, for some reason (probably characters embedded in a cut and paste that somehow interfere?) my italics and bolding still don’t come out the way I intended.

  36. Bob Roberts says:

    Fiberal says: May 5, 2012 at 9:32 am
    So let me get this straight. Since there are certain constraints to (what I presume would have to be topological) math models when applied to human development, fetal development is therefore beyond comprehension and by definition, must be “magic”.
    No, we just don’t have the tools or the comprehension to understand it yet is the way I took that.

    Not “magic” but pretty amazing.

  37. Bob Roberts says:

    Then again, if you took your average neanderthal up on a modern jetliner he’d be pretty amazed, too.

  38. Bob Roberts says:

    It appears the troll is tired of being kicked. Oh well, I have better things to do today anyway! SUPERMOON IS COMING!

  39. lao says:

    lao says: May 4, 2012 at 9:56 am (May 2 Open Thread)
    So you comment without understanding any prior thread context.

    That goes a long way towards explaining your (bobby’s) constant stream of redundancy, ignorance and misinformation.

    (commenting after the thread has scrolled off the page)
    Bob Roberts says: May 4, 2012 at 4:05 pm
    Maybe Blount can add, besides “OPEN THREAD”, a daily (or better, weekly, on Saturdays!) thread called “REDUNDANCY, IGNORANCE and MISINFORMATION” and restrict known trolls to posting there and there alone.

    Bob Roberts says: May 4, 2012 at 4:07 pm (May 3 Open Thread)

    And here’s our troll reacting to news Jason “J.T.” Ready was actually a Democrat. (link)

    Maybe Blount can add, besides “OPEN THREAD”, a daily (or better, weekly, on Saturdays!) thread called “REDUNDANCY, IGNORANCE and MISINFORMATION” and restrict known trolls to posting there and there alone.

    Bob Roberts says: May 5, 2012 at 9:53 am (This Open Thread)

    And here’s our troll reacting to news Jason “J.T.” Ready was not only a Democrat, BUT ALSO AN OCCU-TARD! (link)

    Maybe Blount can add, besides “OPEN THREAD”, a daily (or better, weekly, on Saturdays!) thread called “REDUNDANCY, IGNORANCE and MISINFORMATION” and restrict known trolls to posting there and there alone.

    I rest my case.

  40. Fiberal says:


    The INK spot guy alluded to “magic” at conclusive points at least twice that I noticed.

    The allusion is not by whim. These guys always throw in just a smattering of words like that in order to convey an enigmatic aura to the topic at hand.

    Notice that you had to listen up to catch his carefully-allocated direction to “irreducible complexity”.

    Its a technique that is really used to set the stage or close the curtain over what sociologists like to call “pipelining”.

    Or what patent attorneys call “intentional overburdening” –i.e., blasting your audience in the face with way too much information.

    Similar terms are then used for closing the curtain after the pipelining, leaving the impression that the topic you couldn’t understand anyway is somehow cosmologically inaccessible.

    By that time, even professional scientists can be completely overwhelmed but relieved by accepting the author’s conclusion of irreducibly complex systems such that no mortal man will ever, by design, understand.

    The same methodology is used by Chris Mooney et al., in demonstrating that Republicans have more rigidity and intolerance in their thinking than liberals. (Its such a great idea to base your scientific methodology around partial correlations and a built-in absence of error terms—right.)

    And what better way to soften up your audience than to evoke images of…….. an innocent fetus,

    ……the beauty and wonder of childbirth

    and ………. motherhood……………..——–(sigh)

    I mean, what kind of Nazi MFer would disagree with that?


    So INK Spot finds a soft spot in which to peddle his creationism.

    But what guys like these are really doing is pushing a mop full of dripping, sloppy propaganda in your face.

    Remember John Edwards and “Crossing Over”? Same reprehensible concept. Talk real, real, real fast and then ask the subject, “DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS?!!!”

    (Yeah, I have noticed some problems before closing italics or bolds when I was sure I had written them it. And I never cut and paste those things.)

  41. Fiberal says:

    And BTW, there was nothing in his cartoon that you can’t see in an Intro Anatomy & Physiology course at any University in the country.


  42. hiram says:

    AC says:
    May 4, 2012 at 10:17 pm

    Nuevo Laredo: Los Zetas hang nine from a city bridge (warning: graphic)

    Right across the border, while Obama does nothing to protect America from spillover violence.

    You have to wonder, when will Mexico join the 21st century?


    I was actually wondering when May-hee-ko would join the Twentieth.

  43. wingmann says:

    I think I will start wearing a scarf to work and hope they”snatch”it off my head and expose my bald head.
    Big trouble for them !!!

  44. lao says:

    From the Family Values Means Lending A Helping Hand Department:

    Alabama Republican ‘Obsessed’ With Donating Sperm

    Bill Johnson, a former Alabama gubernatorial candidate, has left his wife and family in Prattville to be with babies he secretly conceived as a sperm donor in New Zealand.
    Johnson’s wife, Kathy Hale Johnson, told the New Zealand Herald that Johnson recently returned to live in New Zealand where he donated sperm to at least 10 women without her knowledge.

    ….She said Johnson plans to apply for residency so he can stay in New Zealand, and that he intends to donate sperm to additional women. “He is obsessed with this. He doesn’t want to stop,” she said.

    Some women later claimed he misled them about his background and the number of partners that he impregnated, raising concerns among New Zealand fertility specialists. “He doesn’t really know how many pregnancies there are out there. Some women were so angry they didn’t want to talk to him again,” she said.

    Kathy Johnson said her husband returned to Alabama late last year. He assured her that the donations were non-sexual, she said.

    And Johnson, she said, is seeking to resume his role as a sperm donor, primarily to lesbian couples unable to have their own children.

    Johnson, 52, finished fifth among a field of seven candidates for governor in the 2010 GOP primary, capturing less than 2 percent of the vote. He ran as a conservative Christian who opposed gay marriage.

    Kathy Johnson said she had fought for five months to save her marriage but could not break her husband’s fixation on the babies he had biologically fathered.
    “He’s back there now. He says he has a commitment to them. He says he created these children and he has a responsibility to them,” she says.

    “I said ‘what about your commitment to your wife.’ He walked out.”

  45. FrankW says:

    OK, did Johnson ever run as the “I’ll never donate sperm and leave my wife for the donation kids” candidate? If so it’s a story, otherwise so what?
    He is against gay marriage, not sperm donation, he didn’t marry a guy. Unless the kiwi is a dude.
    On the bright side regardless of what he did he finish 5 of 7, or 3rd worst. That translates to HE DID NOT WIN (maybe he was not conservative enough).

  46. Fiberal says:

    ONce again, Lao-Z manages to wedge something gay into the conversation:

    He ran as a conservative Christian who opposed gay marriage.


    All I have to say about that is:

    If muslims killed 10 people, Lao-Z would find a news article where someone called a muslim a bad name.

    If muslims killed a 1,000 people, Lao-Z would find a high school where someone beat up a muslim.

    If muslims killed 10,000 people, Lao-Z would find an auto accident where a muslim was killed.

    If 10,000,000 people were killed by muslims, Lao-Z would piously echo Stalin that one death is a tragedy, ten million is a statistic.
    and so on…

  47. BC says:

    For Peace And Justice To Be Realized, White People Must Be Reduced To A Minority

  48. Sam Adams says:

    Johnson, 52, finished fifth among a field of seven candidates for governor in the 2010 GOP primary, capturing less than 2 percent of the vote. He ran as a conservative Christian who opposed gay marriage.

    Calling one a “conservative Christian” don’t necessarily make him so.

    BTW, what this guy most closely approximates is a would-be polygamist without the bother of any ceremonies.

  49. Sam Adams says:

    lao says:
    May 5, 2012 at 10:34 am

    Fixate on Bob much?

  50. Bob Roberts says:

    lao says: May 5, 2012 at 3:17 pm
    Gee, some Republicans/Conservatives aren’t perfect.

    Imagine that!

    I never would have guessed!

    Unfortunately the troll shot himself in the foot once again by posting this:

    Johnson, 52, finished fifth among a field of seven candidates for governor in the 2010 GOP primary, capturing less than 2 percent of the vote.

    Sounds a lot like J.T. what’s his name, the Democrat.

    You know, the occu-tard that was involved in that mass shooting in AZ? The reformed NATIONAL SOCIALIST!

    Fiberal says: May 5, 2012 at 10:47 am
    Yeah, I didn’t really listen that close. “Magic” is a catch-all term some people use, not to indicate that they actually believe in magic, but perhaps they are among that group that doesn’t believe in a higher power so “magic” is just a word they use. Sort of like using “gay” and “marriage” together in a sentence. Using the first just before the second renders the second nonsensical, because the whole point of marriage is so that a man and a woman have a chance to produce children.

    Let’s let the troll make a fool of himself coming back at me about that one – though since he probably won’t get around to it until kick the troll day is over I may have to wait a week to respond directly to him or bend the rules. Depends on how quickly and sensibly he responds. Here it is again:

    MARRIAGE is a union between ONE MAN and ONE WOMAN (not people who THINK they’re men but they have 2 “X” chromosomes, mind you, or who THINK they’re women even though they have an X and a Y) where the primary and ultimate purpose is to provide for the creation of new life, i.e. CHILDREN.

    So what do you say, troll. Got anything to say about that?

  51. Bob Roberts says:

    lao says: May 5, 2012 at 10:34 am
    As it had scrolled off the page (as YOU point out) I wanted to make sure you saw it.

    I’d say it worked – you’re dancing to my tune just as I knew you would.

    Dance, little troll, dance!

    It’s neither ignorant nor is it disinformation. You can choose to say it’s “redundant” as I did repeat it, but I only did it to make sure you would see it.

    By the way, it hadn’t scrolled off the page yet, I don’t believe, when I posted it in the last open thread. But when I checked today it had indeed scrolled off and you hadn’t responded to it, so I posted it again in this open thread SO YOU WOULD SEE IT AND GET A CHANCE TO RESPOND TO IT.

    I note you did not provide links. Typical of you.

  52. Bob Roberts says:

    OK correction, now that I’ve checked. I posted in a discussion that was ongoing. That one, I believe, either was just about to scroll off the page or it had just scrolled off, but the discussion seemed to still be going on.

    Realizing our troll whines about it when people post to threads that have scrolled off (note his post, above, this thread), even though he does it too, I decided to put it in the open thread which I still had open in my browser.

    Then, once a new open thread had been created, noting that the troll had not responded in the previous open thread, which was still on the top page, I moved the post to the new open thread in hopes he’d see it there.

    Of course, trying to put things where he will see them causes him to complain and if you leave them on threads that are scrolling away he complains.

    He thinks we don’t notice this, but we do.

  53. Bob Roberts says:

    So, did anyone else check out the SUPERMOON tonight?


  54. Bob Roberts says:

    Note that I posted a lot of things that were interesting, important, funny, etc.

    And did the troll comment on any of those?

    Of course not.

    He just whined about my efforts to make sure he saw a post that proved what a fool he was.

    And he’s such a fool that he not only missed that most important fact, he actually reposted it here!

  55. AlphaMail says:


    I noticed by reading your past posts, and if I interpret your retorts to TED today, you are vehemently anti-Christian. What’s up?

    If I am correct – which is always debatable – I remember you making statements a couple of months ago about Christians which really took me aback. They were obviously heartfelt, but they were not only bitter, they were quite dimissive of what Christians are or of what we believe.

    Again, what’s up?

    You are one of the smart guys here – without reservation – and to couple your brilliance with a misunderstanding or misinterpretation or simple dismissal of my most fundamental concept of creation and existence is puzzling.

    So prove to me why I’m stupid, why there is no God, and why my belief in a Creator is a mop of dripping, slopping propanganda.

    This is a busy time for me right now, but when I check back in to MB from day to day, if I see you posting I’ll engage.

    I’d like to understand your view and I’d love to chat about it.

  56. lao says:

    bobby’s hapless and babbling “responses” (9:38, 9:43, 9:48) to try to make excuses for himself, are pretty darned amusing…as always.

    bobby also whines: Note that I posted a lot of things that were interesting, important, funny, etc. And did the troll comment on any of those? Of course not.

    Reality check bobby.

    How many OTHER people commented on any of your “interesting, important, funny, etc.” links?

    You posted 18 links. fibby responds to one of them @10:47 am.

    Pardon my unrestrained laughter.

  57. Fiberal says:

    AlphaMail says:
    May 6, 2012 at 12:36 am

    I noticed by reading your past posts, and if I interpret your retorts to TED today, you are vehemently anti-Christian. What’s up?


    I’m not at all anti-Christian.

    My posts do not criticize Christianity.

    These posts go to the problem of a Christian (i.e., INK Spot) using science as a mask for propagandizing.

    Whether the propagandizing is for global warming, liberalism or intelligent design, the misuse of science by any group, is wrong-headed and dangerous.

    So I don’t give Christians a pass when they do it.

    I believe that bc conservatives use or reject science (Intelligent Design) without due consideration (Evolutionary Theory) they engage in a practice that becomes extraordinarily harmful to the general acceptance of conservative principles.

    Science is attached incorrectly by certain groups (esp liberals) bc it is the best system for understanding natural phenomena. But science does not address religion. And there is nothing in science that precludes Christian beliefs.

    Notice in my posts that I had mentioned Chris Mooney.

    He’s a neuroscientist who publishes books and data showing differences between self-identifying republicans and democrats —where of course, republicans are shown in an inferior, anti-intellectual light.

    This is a directive perpetrated by Mooney as well as dozens of other “scientists” devoted to this cause. And it derives from their political orientation. But it is also fueled by their understanding that conservatives hold views that are anti-scientific and therefore anti-intellectual, or to put it plainly, stupid.

    The problem is, is that it takes a trained scientist to then go to the data generated by Mooney and others like him to discover why it is flawed. (And that is for another post.)

    But how many scientists are going to do that? And then who’s going to read and understand the criticisms? And then who cares? Not many out there, I can assure you.

    But then the data sits there unchallenged as truth.

    Meanwhile Mooney makes the lecture circuit, presides over chat rooms, jokingly denounces conservatives in class rooms, makes tenure and becomes chairman of a department at an Ivy League University.

    In addition to this ill-gotten power, it is also a problem for science since Mooney’s research perverts a specific area of neuroscience.

    But in the larger scheme, what it also means is, is that the academic world begins to speak with a single voice indicting conservatives as atavistic, mentally-deficient, rubes.

    And what does that mean for conservatives? They do not react; they either ignore the challenge or simply delve further into religion by making up their own “science”.

    The INK spot guy, if you watched the video, contributes to this by pushing propaganda; Christian yes, but propaganda nonetheless.

    Now, as characterized by INK Spot, not only are conservatives nervous, sweaty, atavistic, intransigent fools, they are also propagandists.

    What’s particularly offensive is that INK Spot uses crappy science to do devise his propaganda, invokes mathematics (supposedly unimpeachable) for support, and uses the fetus as a highly-charged emotional ploy designed to sway the hoi-poloi.

    And his conclusion is that human development is somehow so “miraculous” or “magical” that it can never be fully understood.


    Can never be understood? That is a presumption about phenomena in the natural world that no thinking scientist would ever embrace. (Perhaps you can see how most scientists would think that anyone buying into a “can never be understood” paradigm, could be just a little bit dense.)

    I would point out that the process of embryonic development is repeated in all species and there is nothing “miraculous” about it. It is the natural process of cell division under the regulatory control of cell signalling mechanisms that stimulate stem cell differentiation into a full organism. Similar processes go on in all organisms from bacteria to yeast to humans every femtosecond, on every last nanometer of earth, and probably beyond. You can do most of the same things in a test tube.

    But this all ties into the problems that conservatives have with the left. The left uses Christian propaganda and beliefs in creationism and anti-evolutionary theory as bludgeons to disqualify all conservative thinking.

    The MSM has a test for conservative candidates aspiring to public office, that they never apply to their own liberal candidates: i.e., “do you believe in evolution?”…aha.

    So if you don’t “believe” in global warming, then yeah…that guy’s a dumb anti-science conservative.

    And the left has a point. In fact the right has ignominiously squandered their credibility by embracing nonsense like Creationism, Intelligent Design and Irreducible Complexity.

    Yet the right refuses to acknowledge the error of propagandizing and belief in illogical systems.

    When and if conservatives ever get their act together and realize that acceptance of scientific thought does not threaten their Bible or their religion, and that they should not use their religion as a means to challenge or to supplant science, we will have a chance to eventually rid ourselves of the anti-science criticism that liberals still use against us.

    But take note…if any Christian even bothers to read this diatribe, and then takes just a few seconds of their precious time to respond (imagine that?) —you know how they’ll respond don’t you?

    With scripture.

  58. Fiberal says:

    BTW, If anyone wants to know what the fuss is about, here’s the slick propaganda INK Spot piece from Ted’s post:

    INK Spot talks as fast as John Edwards from Crossing Over so you have listen to catch the mistakes.

  59. son of a preacher man says:

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