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May 05 2012

Open Thread


On tips from R F and AC.

79 Responses to “Open Thread”

  1. 88Miker says:

    For anyone watching our oil suppliers up north, the students of Canada’s Quebec Province are rioting over the fact their tuition rates are being increased. Fun fact: Quebec students pay the lowest rates out of all the other provinces, even after this hike.

  2. lao says:

    More proof that blunt doesn’t pay attention.

    Unabomber global warming billboard taken down by Heartland Institute

    A conservative group’s use of the Unabomber to refute global warming has bombed.

    The group, which planned a series a messages featuring Charles Manson, Fidel Castro and possibly Osama bin Laden asking the same question, said Friday it decided to discontinue the campaign after the digital sign set off a backlash and exasperated supporters.

    The doomed display ran for a day along the inbound lanes of the Dwight D. Eisenhower Expressway about 12 miles west of the Windy City.

    In the run-up to the retraction, Forecast the Facts, an advocacy group that aims to counter climate change skeptics, circulated a petition calling on Heartland’s corporate contributors to cut off funding for the group.

    Rep. James Sensenbrenner of Wisconsin, a GOP climate skeptic who opposes regulation of greenhouse gas emissions, threatened to pull out of a speaking slot at a Heartland-hosted conference on climate change set for later this month if the group did not take down the billboard.

    “The congressman will not participate in the upcoming Climate Change Conference if the Heartland Institute decides to continue this ad campaign, and he raised those same concerns to the Heartland Institute,” a Sensenbrenner spokeswoman emailed the Hill.

  3. lao says:

    New Libertarian Nominee Gary Johnson Slams Republicans For Gay Staffer Flap

    Former New Mexico Governor Gary Johnson officially became the Libertarian Party’s nominee for President on Saturday with 70 percent of the vote, and one of his first acts as an official candidate was to issue a strong indictment of the Republicans for the situation surrounding Mitt Romney’s gay former foreign policy spokesman.

    “It speaks volumes to the intolerance that continues to be present in the Republican Party,” Johnson said. He said he doesn’t attach that intolerance to the majority of Republicans but to “the activists driving that agenda.”
    “That intolerance is why the world vilifies Republicans,” Johnson continued. “It’s why I have never worn a Republican t-shirt in my life. There is a certain Republican dogma I just cannot defend. Homophobia is one of those issues.”

  4. Dr. 9 says:

    re: global warming;

    “The great mass of people … will more easily fall victim to a big lie than to a small one…” — Adolf Hitler

  5. Hybrid Lemon says:

    Charles Manson broke a 20-year silence to go on a rant about Global Warming. If Charlie believes it, it must be true.


  6. Bob Roberts says:

    lao says: May 5, 2012 at 9:16 pm
    Gary Johnson on Obama

    On President Obama’s weakness this time around:

    “Well, if you go back to 2008, Obama was the messiah to a lot of people,” says Johnson “Now you’ve got 80 percent of people saying they’d vote for a third party candidate. Do I make a difference? I don’t know, I don’t know. But being on the ballot in all 50 states, being in the game—wow! At some point, collectively, the country has to say, is there anyone else in this race? And I hope the answer they hear is, ‘yes, Libertarian Gary Johnson.’ ”

    “I really believe I’m gonna take it from Obama rather than Romney. I joke, you know—maybe all those pot-smoking, marriage equality, get out of Afghanistan voters for Romney are going to switch to me. Then, boy, he’ll be in trouble!”

  7. AC says:

    The Kaczynski reference went over most people’s heads. Kaczynski was a neo-Luddite nutjob who called for an end to industrial civilization and a return to primitive living, which is essentially the same platform being pushed by the climate alarmists. Don’t expect the average moron to understand that.

  8. AC says:

    Gary Johnson was the former governor of New Mexico, and he did an awesome job there while in office.

    Johnson used his veto power more than the rest of the nation’s governors, combined.

    He’d be a phenomenal improvement over Mittens McMilquetoast.

  9. Belfast says:

    AC says He’d be a phenomenal improvement over Mittens McMilquetoast.
    According to you, as I read you, even Lao would be an improvement.
    Seems Johnson prefers 4 more years of Obama. He is just another Specter, probably angling for sec of State under O or something.

  10. Sam Adams says:

    I love how the left uses terms like “climate change skeptics” to label those who don’t agree with them. BTW, it is also interesting how “Global Warming” turned into “Climate Change.”

    Hey Lao, you Climate Change Believer, how’s that Climate Change thing going for you? Note how the Paris Airport got caught without enough deicer because they believe that the era of harsh winters was over. After all, ten years ago, some Climate Change Believers proclaimed that kids in the UK might never see snow again.

    Here’s the fundamental problem with “climate change.” You can’t or don’t quantify “climate change” so it is fundamentally impossible to prove that your position is right or wrong.

    Why just yesterday we had a dramatic climate change. We had been driving around with our car air conditioners running full…the next day we needed the heaters to keep our feet warm. Yes, we sure did experience “climate change” but is that the “climate change” that you are talking about or are you talking about something else?

  11. Sam Adams says:

    Now I’m picking on Lao again. Here I posted about the importance of the “climate change believers” quantifying their belief so that, hopefully, we will know what is in fact “climate change” and what is simply “the weather changing.” But that assumes that Lao has a background that would allow him to even understand the concept of something being quantified.

    Lao, do you actually know what it means to quantify an effect?

    I’m waiting…

  12. AlphaMail says:

    The Canadian crybaby has wet his Pampers again. Like most indignant proggy infants he was hoping Obama’s change was a diaper change.

    Now, soaked in his own bodily fluid, he blames dada Dave for his own pubescent interpretation of the four laws of thermodynamics – a feat quite challenging to a preschooler, because it requires an ability to count to four.

    Unable to understand the dynamic of sun heated oceans, changing convective currents, and the fact dinosaurs farted more co2 than Kansas cows, the diminutive daycare dimwit has deflected the discussion to the erection of “billboards.”

    Speaking of erections…..his opinion of global warming seems to be, whichever way his wee wee points and however warm his diapers get.

  13. Bath House Barry says:

    lao says: May 5, 2012 at 9:16 pm- “That intolerance is why the world vilifies Republicans,” Johnson continued. “There is a certain Republican dogma I just cannot defend. Homophobia is one of those issues.”

    Yo. Word up, Lao my nizzle… Republicans practice the worst kind of intolerant homophobia- the kind against me. I can’t say I agree on the dogma bit, though. I kinda like dogma. Especially with mushroom sauce. Gnomesayin?

  14. FrankW says:

    Don’t forget, lao does not believe what he posts. He posts and has no opinion whatsoever. Riiiiiiigggggghhhhhtttt.
    But I must say this part was funny, That intolerance is why the world vilifies Republicans,” Johnson continued. “It’s why I have never worn a Republican t-shirt in my life. There is a certain Republican dogma I just cannot defend. Homophobia is one of those issues.”
    He may be a wee bit hypocritical (as are most libs, except for that guy who tried to live on sunlight, that was a pure believer), being intolerant of someone’s beliefs while preaching against intolerant is ….well intolerant.

  15. Ghost of FA Hayek says:

    That this entire climate change theory peddled by the left has crumbled in their hands makes absolutely no difference at all
    What has always been the goal is that you feel the full weight of an oppressive government crushing your scull.
    To this end they have little difficulty accepting support from even the worst of humanity

  16. AvatarOfThey says:

    Yeah, and Peter Sutcliffe believed in Jesus.

  17. Turd Blossom Lao says:

    The Libertarian Party is a joke. I was a member until they selected Bob Barr over Christine Smith in 2008.Run as an Independent or spend time with your family.

  18. Silverfiddle says:

    Ted’s dead but Reverend Al Gore, International Church of Gaia and global flock fleecer still roams free…

    No justice in this world…

  19. Wilberforce says:

    ‘Civilized People Don’t Buy Gold’: Berkshire’s vice chairman

    (By the way, AC: I’m only now just getting online, I’ll reply to your reply re: protection soon 🙂 )

  20. AC says:

    According to you, as I read you, even Lao would be an improvement.
    Seems Johnson prefers 4 more years of Obama. He is just another Specter, probably angling for sec of State under O or something.

    Gary Johnson is a successful businessman with a proven track record in New Mexico. He cut taxes, stopped earmarks, controlled the budget, and wasn’t afraid to use his veto pen to keep the size and scope of government under control.

    He is also a staunch supporter of the Second Amendment and health care liberty. Johnson has spoken out against public sector unions and late term abortions.

    Johnson opposes quantitative easing and believes in sound money.

    By contrast, Romney raised taxes, increased spending, grew government, developed the prototype for Obamacare, and took people’s guns away.

    My biggest gripe against Johnson is his opposition to the death penalty, but that is a minor issue given our current troubles, and much less relevant at the federal level. His belief in state’s rights trumps his opposition to the death penalty, so states which don’t coddle murderers would be free to continue taking out the trash.

  21. chuck in st paul says:

    Ghost of FA Hayek says: May 6, 2012 at 2:23 am
    “… an oppressive government crushing your scull.”

    So they’re going to crush my boat…?? Who knew.

  22. FrankW says:
    I shot milk out my nose when I read this. The defense attorney wants all the chicks in the courtroom to wear muzzie garb in order that her clients do not have to “commit a sin under their faith”.
    I hereby move that the official uniform of the day for chicks is bikini tops and low rise jeans. Acceptable substitutes are daisy duke low rise and sports bras.

  23. Bob Roberts says:

    More Gary Johnson on Obama.

    Mickey Mouse Would Poll 15 Percent Against Obama.

  24. Bob Roberts says:

    Bath House Barry says: May 5, 2012 at 11:35 pm
    This post shows exactly that “liberals” don’t have a clue:

    “That intolerance is why the world vilifies Republicans,” Johnson continued. “It’s why I have never worn a Republican t-shirt in my life. There is a certain Republican dogma I just cannot defend. Homophobia is one of those issues.”

    He claims to have never worn a Republican t-shirt, yet he campaigned and won as a Republican. Two terms as Governor of New Mexico, as a Republican. He then went on to run for President as a Republican but withdrew.

    So the troll is caught posting more lies, which he will now no doubt disavow.

    And as for what Johnson said, nonsense that is typically spewed by Democrats, “liberals”, “progressives” and trolls, perhaps they should wise up before they speak next time:

    homophobia – irrational fear of homosexuals.

    Nobody I’ve ever met fears homosexuals, except perhaps the very small subset of homosexuals who are vicious serial killers. And not all serial killers are homosexuals so that’s no reason for generalized fear of homosexuals. This idea that there’s some massive homophobia that is behind conservative stances on homosexuality and LGBTQ in general is yet another lie of the left.

    Plus, the left forgets that some of their own aren’t exactly “homosexual friendly” even though they pose as if they are.

    I didn’t see any action by Obama and Congress, even when they had the majorities to do so, to overturn the federal level prohibitions against same sex marriages.

    And what is the constant theme from the trolls on the left? That if you are against same sex unions being called marriage then you must be homosexual yourself – as if there’s something bad about being homosexual that you should be ashamed of.

    Hey, they said it, I didn’t!

  25. Bob Roberts says:

    Troll says: May 5, 2012 at 9:01 pm
    More proof that blunt doesn’t pay attention.
    It was true that when Heartland engaged in typical leftist/Democrat/”progressive”/”liberal” type behavior, people were repulsed, as they’re repulsed by our troll and his typical similar behaviors.

    So, unlike leftists/Democrats/”progressives”/”liberals”, Heartland thought about it, realized the critics had some good points and changed their plan.

    And somehow this is something for the left to crow about? That the right has common sense and good judgement and, when they make a mistake they’re capable of manning up and admitting it & changing their behavior accordingly, unlike the left, who keep making the same mistakes over and over?

    Another great example of the troll shooting himself in the foot when he posts here. You’d think he’d get tired of doing that, but apparently not.

  26. AC says:

    lao’s condemnation was conspicuously absent when leftist protesters portrayed Gov. Scott Walker as Hitler.

  27. Bob Roberts says:

    Speaking of the weather…

    Mike Hapgood, who studies solar events, says the world isn’t prepared for a truly damaging storm. And one could happen soon.

    Nature is the driving force behind Earth’s weather, temperature and climate. Yes, humans have small influences – regional, transient ones. The long term trends are driven by forces well beyond our control in general.

    If the left really cared about something that mattered they’d leave fossil fuel producers alone and they would go after third world countries and peoples who are deforesting the planet. If you want to know the biggest effect humans are having, that is likely it. Still, the effect is minimal in the grander scheme of things.

    One massive solar flare aimed in the right direction would make the point about who’s in control – humans or nature – quite easily and quickly.

  28. Bob Roberts says:

    George Zimmerman said Trayvon Martin circled vehicle

    Was Trayvon Martin circling George Zimmerman’s vehicle before the neighborhood watch volunteer and the unarmed teenager engaged in their now-infamous — and tragic — scuffle?

    That is the assertion that Zimmerman has made numerous times to investigators, according to a new report in the Orlando Sentinel, citing a source familiar with the criminal investigation into Martin’s slaying by Zimmerman in February at a gated community in Sanford, Fla.

    According to the Sentinel, the source said Zimmerman told police he was so worried by Martin’s behavior that he rolled up his windows to avoid trouble. The paper notes that Zimmerman did not give these details to the non-emergency police dispatcher he had called in order to report Martin as a suspicious character.

    This matches Zimmerman’s statement to the 911 dispatcher that was something along the lines of “He’s checking me out.”

  29. Bob Roberts says:

    Democrat/occu-tard blamed for Arizona murders.

    He ran as a Democrat and spent time with the local “occupy” movement.

    These are facts, though some can’t bear to accept it.

  30. Bob Roberts says:

    No no no no – it’s “half full”!

    Not doing so well this time around – people are tired of hopey change, it seems. They want jobs, not spare change.

    Counting chickens before they’re hatched.

    Talking about what will happen during a second Obama term is a bit premature.

    A fitting end for moonbats.

    Too bad the job was left unfinished.

    Thanks to trolls like ours, Canada stops making sense.

    Let’s see if our troll reads this one.

    Let’s see how many get it.

    Will the U.S. follow suit?

    Who says the war on terror is over?

    A U.S. drone strike killed nine people Saturday in an attack that targeted a militant compound in Pakistan’s volatile tribal region, authorities said.
    The casualties are believed to be members of the Pakistan Taliban, said Muhammad Amin, a senior government official from the region.
    A drone fired two missiles at a compound in the Shawal mountain region of North Waziristan, according to two Pakistani security officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to release details to the media.

  31. wingmann says:

    This is the bullshit you asked for.

    ‘Attorney in hijab defends call for other women at 9/11 hearing to wear ‘appropriate’ clothing’


  32. AC says:

    Solar flares are indeed a very real and potent threat. Responsible, self-reliant citizens need to prepare.

    One megaflare like the 1859 event and the utility grid and the nation’s distribution systems will go down. Modern electronics are more sensitive to flares than old telegraphs.

    The loss of the grid will spark looting and mayhem. Law enforcement won’t be able to keep up. Only your preparations and Second Amendment rights can keep you and your families safe.

  33. Ben Cartwright says:


    No way do I believe the claims of the climate change morons…but this ad campaign doesn’t really do it for me. It’s hard to tie the two together. But if they pulled the ads because some Congressman wasn’t going to participate in a conference – what wimps. Screw the Congressman, he’s not a god, we still have free speech for now.

    Barack has shut down 40 coal fired power plants in the USA so far…and he gets re-elected – yikes. Meanwhile China and Saudi Arabia are building coal fired power plants at breakneck speed to power all the industry that is leaving our country due to our lack of cheap energy. Barack hates coal…but just American coal. Just think of all the jobs that disappeared with the closing of those plants. And the industry that will never be created. Billboards stating this stuff would be much more effective.

  34. Bob Roberts says:

    From another thread

    Vapor says: May 5, 2012 at 12:15 pm
    I wish I was better at photoshop..heres an idea

    That Greek liner laying over on it’s side with Obama at the bow saying “forward” (pirates garb maybe)?

    A great idea, but rather just put him in a Mao suit or other socialist/fascist garb. I suppose an SS uniform would be too realistic for some, so maybe don’t go that far. Perhaps to portray him in Mussolini’s uniform, or Stalin’s, might work.

  35. Bob Roberts says:

    AC says: May 6, 2012 at 9:03 am
    Indeed there’s evidence that the reason we even got into this “global warming” faux religion in the first place was that the sun became somewhat hyperactive. As Gore’s nonsense rose to a fever pitch, the sun was spitting out massive flares that went right off the charts in at least one case.

    NOTE that seven of those listed have been post 2000, but note also that eight of those listed happened in 1991 alone.

    An unusually active phase of solar activity essentially corresponded with the “global warming” we experienced as the last century ended. Now we’ve had an unprecedented period of solar inactivity. Fortunately the sun is showing some signs of waking up, lest we wind up in another Maunder Minimum.

    Despite the attempts of the left to act as if the period of warming was unusual, all they do by saying that is prove how ignorant they are.

    Why is Greenland called that when it’s covered with ice?

    Why are many streets in London named after the vinyards that used to thrive there in warmer times?

    It’s funny to watch those who elected a guy who promised “change” running around so afraid of change.

    I got news for them:

    Climate change is an unstoppable reality. The one thing we can ALWAYS count on climate doing is changing. Better get used to it.

  36. Bob Roberts says:

    Justice Breyer Unable To Look At Anything Without Deliberating Constitutionality Of It

    U.S. Supreme Court justice Stephen Breyer told reporters this week that he cannot stop himself from deliberating over whether even the most mundane aspects of his personal life follow the dictates set out by the U.S. Constitution. “It’s completely automatic now; without even thinking about it, I’ll be staring at a cup of coffee and start mentally running through Third Circuit appeals that could potentially relate to it,” said Breyer, who estimated he spent at least six hours of his free time Saturday contemplating the constitutionality of issues ranging from throwing garbage in a neighbor’s trash can to a birthday card for his nephew, which certain creative property statutes might have applied to. “I was late to work this morning because I tried to figure out whether borrowing my wife’s car would violate the Fourth Amendment’s prohibitions on unreasonable seizure in light of the precedent set by—hold on, I should be writing this down.” When reached for comment, the Supreme Court’s other eight justices were unanimous in their sentiment that Breyer should really stop calling them at home.

  37. Bob Roberts says:

    Speaking of prickly legal questions, I have one for all of you – I’ve been struggling with it for a while now and I just can’t get to a comfortable conclusion:

    At what point do the effects of involuntary, emergency medication force one to consign their medical decisions to a loved one or guardian, or are all such considerations outweighed by an individual’s penumbral constitutional right of privacy to reject medical treatment? Thanks.

  38. Bob Roberts says:

    Half A Sleeve Of Oreos Lost In House Fire

    A three-alarm fire tore through a family home on Newark’s East Side early Saturday morning, completely gutting the two-story residence and tragically claiming a half-sleeve of Oreo cookies that was trapped inside a cupboard.

    The tragic demise of the name-brand snacks has left the community in shock. Numerous residents could be seen gathering beside the still-smoldering rubble Saturday to comfort one another and pay their respects to those lost, which, in addition to the Oreos, may have included a stash of Kudos-brand chocolate-chip granola bars, a mostly full bag of Rold Gold pretzel rods, and a jar of Skippy smooth peanut butter that may have been used for dipping.

    “This is awful—just awful,” said neighbor Karen Beliveau, 43, who appeared visibly shaken as she struggled with the horrifying reality that the Oreo cookies were truly gone and would never get to be munched on and enjoyed. “My heart just breaks for that poor family. I can’t even imagine the pain and heartache their loved ones must be going through.”

    “My God,” added Beliveau, pausing to compose herself. “I don’t know how you even begin to move on from something like this.”

  39. Bob Roberts says:

    And, finally, a story about our troll.

    Anxiety-Ridden Man Rightly Ashamed Of Every Single Thing He Does
    ‘We Are All Silently Judging Him At Every Moment, Just As He Suspects,’ Acquaintances Say

    Friends and colleagues of Moonbattery troll lao confirmed Wednesday that the anxiety-ridden clown is right to feel ashamed of every single thing he does, considering that all five of his acquaintances are, exactly as he fears, actively judging him at all times.

    Validating every feeling of remorse and social anxiety the man has ever felt, sources close to lao told reporters his perpetual anguish over his words and actions could not be more justified, as all of his missteps—ranging from minor lapses of politeness to his overall slightly disappointing career trajectory—are immediately perceived by those around him as evidence of his inadequacy as a human being.

    “lao’s the kind of guy who is forever second-guessing his behavior, as if the people in his life are constantly scrutinizing every single move he makes, and he’s completely correct about that—we are,” said Paula Ramirez, a coworker who admitted she can barely look at lao without a medley of his most embarrassing moments replaying in her head. “Anytime he’s been petrified at the thought of social interaction or obsessively reexamined something he’s said, his fears have been entirely reasonable, given our nonstop monitoring of his behavior.”

    “In fact, no matter what else I have going on, I always find time to think about lao, whether it’s a tiny faux pas he’s made or one of the major failures in his life,” Ramirez continued.

  40. Ghost of FA Hayek says:

    Speaking as someone who has a friend who was struck with a serious psychiatric illness, it wasn’t the effect of medication, rather the effect of a lack of it.
    Because of the nature of her illness, she was unwilling to sign guardianship over, even to her spouse.
    It was only after the county threatened civil commitment (after some run ins with the sheriff’s office) that she agreed.
    Now, to those that would argue, “you see, you see” this proves more government intervention is needed” it was actually government that exacerbated the situation through overzealous social workers misinforming a judge as to what a person with her condition(treated or not) “could be capable of”
    And to those who argue government has no business here you are right, up until the point where the safety of others would become an issue
    BTW, she is doing great now.
    As to your point Bob, maybe the best is to resolve those questions before the fact
    Of course the overarching dictates inherent in government run medicine (Obamacare) is making ALL of this a moot point.

  41. Bob Roberts says:

    Ghost of FA Hayek says: May 6, 2012 at 10:27 am
    That was from the onion.

    Perhaps I should have provided a link or put an attribution, but I figured (since it was in a whole section of posts clearly from the onion) everyone would realize it.

    I included it primarily because of the farcical idea the Constitution has “eminations and penumbras”.

  42. Bob Roberts says:

    And because of the farcical idea that the Constitution has a “right to privacy” that justifies murder of the unborn.

  43. Bob Roberts says:

    But thanks for taking me seriously. I’ve had a living will since I was 21.

  44. Ghost of FA Hayek says:

    This one is for our resident troll, who believes his Captain Marvel has nation building down pat in Afghanistan

  45. AC says:

    Half A Sleeve Of Oreos Lost In House Fire

    No worries, the next time the first of the month rolls around, Uncle Sugar will pay for a new batch of junk food for that poor, helpless victim.

  46. Bob Roberts says:

    Troll got PWNED!


    I notice that’s been happening a lot lately.

  47. Bob Roberts says:

    Ghost of FA Hayek says: May 6, 2012 at 10:27 am
    Watching anyone, particularly someone close, someone you care about, descend into madness, particularly when you know the help they need is available if they’ll just allow it, is one of the hardest things one ever has to face.

    The interesting thing is that when the courts and Congress decided that even the mentally ill have rights too, that they could not be held or medicated against their will, with the exception of when they were a clear danger to themselves or others, it was blamed not on them but on Reagan. To this day people hate Reagan and, by extension, Republicans, for this and other things that simply happened while he was in office but were not his fault.

  48. Bob Roberts says:

    AC says: May 6, 2012 at 11:29 am

  49. lao says:

    Re poor desperate bobby @2:02

    bobby’s first link, is an Open Thread for April 19. Go ahead and click it, then scroll down to the final comments.

    My last comment was @April 21, 2012 at 6:33 pm

    bobby posted twice more on April 23 and then left a final comment.

    When did he post that? That’s right, APRIL 28 at 9:02 am!!

    Next link, an April 20 thread on George Zimmerman. Once again, go ahead and click it and scroll down to the final comments.

    My last comment was @April 21, 2012 at 7:43 pm

    bobby posts a couple comments immediately after, then two final comments.

    And when did he post them? That’s right, APRIL 28, @9:14 am and @9:16 am, FIVE DAYS after the last previous comments.

    Needless to say, both those threads had long since scrolled off the page.

    So why is bobby doing this? Because, thanks to his own KICK THE TROLL rule, he has to post on a Saturday to respond to me.

    Of course, you have all seen how successful THAT effort has been.

    Now, he’s helpfully posting this so you can all go back to dead threads and read his whining.

    Presumably, bobby will now be re-visiting every dead thread I have commented on to offer us all his responses.

    So far as I am aware bobby, you are the only person who does this and I suspect, like me, everyone else is rolling their eyes.

    You are a constant source of laughs bobby.

  50. Bob Roberts says:

    NOTE: My prediction came true. I ended a post with a mention that the complaint was going to be POPT, i.e. posted on past threads.


  51. Bob Roberts says:

    Oh, and the trolls prediction is already proven wrong by all the past threads which I have NOT gone back to post things on.

  52. Bob Roberts says:

    Poor? My investments keep coming in at 150% or greater.

    Desperate? I’m not the one hanging around in a hostile website because I’m so desperate for attention, even if it’s negative!

  53. Bob Roberts says:

    Apparently the troll is upset that he doesn’t make the rules here & Blount allows people to continue to comment on pages that aren’t on the top page.

    Funny that he has that index of threads and posts he keeps referring to but can’t remember to check a thread where there was an ongoing discussion then whines when he can’t have the last word.

    Poor, pitiful troll!

    When will he learn that HE DOES NOT SET THE RULES HERE, BLOUNT DOES!

    That just twists his panties into such a wad!

  54. FuzzyRider says:

    Once again, it is apparent that lao is your Emmanuel Goldstein…

    I seldom agree with lao, but I truly admire his ability to get through your defenses and into your heads. I have been trying to do the same in some left-wing sites, except as a libertarian bomb-thrower, but I can never get the kind of traction lao does. I will continue to attempt to learn from the master.

    BTW, Gary Johnson is a GREAT choice for my beloved Libertarian Party. If you haven’t been following the convention, you should, if only for the entertainment- they ARE fun to watch, but I shudder to think how they would respond in the unlikely event that they obtained any real power!

  55. lao says:


    bobby, you can go back and comment on any dead thread you like.

    You apparently believe that if you share the links present day, others are going go back and read them.

    You apparently also believe others may choose to add comments to yours.

    Thanks for sharing your delusions, it’s always entertaining.

    By the way, @6:14 am this morning on the May 4 Open Thread, I left a comment that called you on the twisted sense you have of your own importance.

    You COULD respond now before the thread scrolls away.

    Then again, I guess to live up to your own RULES you have to wait until next Saturday.

  56. lao says:

    bobby sez: When will he learn that HE DOES NOT SET THE RULES HERE, BLOUNT DOES!

    bobby demonstrates his consistency:

    Bob Roberts says: May 5, 2012 at 9:53 am

    Maybe Blount can add, besides “OPEN THREAD”, a daily (or better, weekly, on Saturdays!) thread called “REDUNDANCY, IGNORANCE and MISINFORMATION” and restrict known trolls to posting there and there alone. That way anyone reading that thread would know that they’ll likely find nothing but nonsense from trolls there and can avoid it if desired. Any troll comments on any OTHER thread would be deleted when noticed if not wholly blocked from the start.

  57. lao says:

    By the way fuzzy, thanks for the complements.

    If you want to “learn from the master”, the solution is simple.

    I constantly succeed because I ALWAYS stand for the truth.

    It’s extraordinarily easy to make someone look like an idiot when the FACTS are on your side.

    Examine blunt’s ridiculous “almost empty” claim in The Moonbat Magic Is Gone thread and then check out the links I provided.

    It’s like shooting sucker fish in a toilet bowl.

  58. Bob Roberts says:

    FuzzyRider says: May 6, 2012 at 4:20 pm

    Our troll, if he were even on the list, wouldn’t be “number one”.

    I suspect you’re just him posting as someone else, since no honest person would ever give him any credit.

    He is neither “through my defenses” or “in my head”, though apparently, from your comments, he’s got you.

    Traction? Our troll has none – he’s not made a single valid point here, ever.

    Learn from him? So your goal in life is to be a failure? Good luck with that!

    Your last paragraph pretty much gives you away as a troll who’s adopted someone else’s name, perhaps.

    You’re not fooling anyone.

    As for the troll’s claim he stands for the truth, we’ve caught him in so many lies that his statement is easily recognizable as yet another one.

  59. Bob Roberts says:

    Oh, fuzzy, you’d better go back and read 1984 again if you really believe your own comparison of our troll and Goldstein. I do recall he already posted that once posing either as you or as someone else.

    Unlike him I’m not obsessed enough to keep a complete index of MOONBATTERY threads and posts so I can’t remember when or who already tried to make that ridiculous claim, but I know it’s been made.

  60. Bob Roberts says:

    Amazing, the troll is caught IN ANOTHER LIE

    This is what the arena REALLY looked like!

    They had the people all crowd into a small area and cherry picked the camera angle then our troll cherry picked his sources so his lie would be believable.

    In fact the arena was largely empty, just as Blount stated.

  61. Henry says:

    “I constantly succeed because I ALWAYS stand for the truth.”

    LOL The truth as the prog claircognizes it…

    What a tool.

  62. FuzzyRider says:

    Check the IP’s, I am in New Mexico, not Canada (which is where you have said lao is from)

    It still amazes me- you claim lao is not worth your time, he lies and has nothing to say, yet you argue with him- hell, you guys even INVOKE him when he is not participating in your threads!! In my mind, the ability to invoke that kind of response speaks of real talent. Lao plays you all beautifully.

    Listen, I seldom agree with lao, and if we were to debate I sincerely doubt we would find anything like common ground, though I would never denigrate him or resort to ad hominem attacks (and I believe that in that circumstance he would extend me that same courtesy). The point of my comments, however, is not to dissect specific arguments, but to make some observations on the process. I don’t have to agree with lao (or anyone else) to express admiration for a masterful job of trolling!

  63. Bob Roberts says:

    We laugh at lao. Sometimes when we’re bored, we kick him a bit, then kick him some more.

    Some call for him to be banned. I don’t know, I probably would miss the nonsense he posts – sometimes on a slow day it’s good for a laugh. Plus it’s good to see what the left is lying about today and every day.

    By the way, I often post from other places but through my home IP. It’s not that hard to do, if you know how.

    Your words suggest you’re either him or a friend of his – which is amazing in itself since, with his attitude and behavior, it would be amazing if he actually had any friends. Nobody else would mistake his pitiful performances here for what you claim they are.

    I don’t know why people are convinced he’s Canadian – nobody has provided any proof of that conjecture. We don’t even know he’s a man (i.e. xy chromosomes) for sure – for all we know he could be a woman with gender identity issues.

    You did get one thing right – he’s a troll. Masterful – well every one has opinions and yours, in that regard at least, truly stink! But you’re still entitled to them!

    Perhaps you’d be happy if Blount just banned lao? Are you here to audition to be his replacement?

  64. FuzzyRider says:

    No, I made the previous reference to Goldstein.

    Think of who Goldstein was- the leader of the opposition, never to be listened to, merely to be the subject of the ‘5 minute hate’. It didn’t matter (and was never revealed) whether he was real or no; if he was real, he served an invaluable purpose of giving the proles a tangible focus for their ire, if not, then he needs must be invented by the party for the same purpose.

    My point is that Lao is serving the same purpose here, whether you realize it or not!

    And no, I am not lao (why would I reveal my secrets if I was???), nor do I know him or any of his friends or kin- I would truly love to tussle with him in a debate sometime, though.

  65. Bob Roberts says:

    Bob Roberts says: May 5, 2012 at 9:53 am
    Blount often runs with our suggestions. While he is the ultimate authority here, he’s been pretty good about not running things as a straight dictatorship, but rather he’s been really amazing about taking good ideas from others under consideration.

    Unlike our troll, I make suggestions, not inept, impotent demands. I also know up front that some of them, as good as they are, will not be taken up and put into operation because I’m not in charge here.

    Doesn’t mean I can’t make a good suggestion now and then.

  66. FuzzyRider says:

    Why on earth would I want him banned? Compared to some posters I routinely interact with on other comment threads he’s pretty mild and interesting. Besides, y’all need him, whether you see it or not.

    I have no particular desire to be a bomb thrower here, (I prefer really lefty sites) since I tend to be in agreement with most points brought up in these threads, and I am not particularly good at debating points I do not actually believe. I just find the ‘comment’ dynamic here one of the most fascinating I have ever seen, and was thinking people here might be interested in seeing how it appears from an autside point of view.

  67. Bob Roberts says:

    FuzzyRider says: May 6, 2012 at 6:55 pm

    I never said YOU wanted him banned.

    One minute you’re claiming he’s effective, now you’re admitting he’s mild. Interesting is hardly a word anyone else here would use when discussing our pet troll.

    And no, we don’t need him, other than, as I already pointed out, to save us the time of going to lunatic left wing sites to see what lies they’re telling, because he brings theme here to us.

    Your point of view is, of course, as welcome as anyone else’s even though I think you would find few who would agree with your statements about our troll. We’re not debating him, we’re laughing at him, at least when we’re not kicking him.

    In any case, I think, at this point, the best thing to do is lump any troll sycophants that show up in with the trolls.

    If you examine your own posts in this thread you’ll understand why it’s a pretty sure bet you’re not at all who you claim to be. Come on back next Saturday if you wish to continue discussing this, or anything, with me.

  68. Bob Roberts says:


  69. FuzzyRider says:

    You stated: “Perhaps you’d be happy if Blount just banned lao? Are you here to audition to be his replacement?”. I read it as I stated, apologies if I was somehow confused by the wording.

    I stated: “Compared to some posters I routinely interact with on other comment threads he’s pretty mild and interesting.” This is not inconsistent with any previous statement, the key words are ‘compared to’, believe me, some of the far lefty posters I’ve grappled with are true masters of vicious invective, far, far beyond anything I have read from lao. They would probably be banned instantly if they attempted that sort of thing here.

    I’m always up for a good argument!

    I am exactly what I claim to be, I do not prevaricate, even in anonymous web postings.

    If you wish to explore my opinions further, go to the controversy website. I am boocubed there.

  70. Bob Roberts says:

    Bob Roberts says: May 6, 2012 at 8:39 pm
    See my closing remark, this referenced post.

  71. Bob Roberts says:

    I will respond to your continued ridiculous claims the troll is our Goldstein:

    Goldstein was cast as an enemy of the state – the troll is a friend of big government and all the rot that comes with it.

    Goldstein’s purpose was, in part, to distract – in this small way the troll tries to be our Goldstein but, if you were paying attention, you would know he fails miserably. Most of us do ignore him and we know, in general, it’s pointless to try to engage him in debate because he’s so immature and dishonest no reasonable, honest, adult debate is possible with him. When we’re bored we toy with him and yes, it does seem perhaps he’s distracting us, but it’s only when we choose to do that.

    Like Goldstein the troll does unite us, so there is another point you could say is correct in your comparison, but it’s a small one and really more about what the troll says and not who he is. How that is a point in the troll’s favor you’ll have to explain because I doubt anyone else here will see it that way.

    Goldstein’s ultimate purpose was to focus the anger of the people of Oceania – the troll tries to turn our anger away from it’s valid target, true, but he fails miserably.

    Goldstein served important roles – as a scapegoat, for instance – the troll serves no such role, unless you count a whipping boy as a scapegoat, but even in that role he fails because we only punish the troll for what he says here – we reserve our valid anger for Obama and other Democrats for them and them alone.

    Like Goldstein, our troll is a rather vacuous (and likely malodorous) shill for the current totalitarian regime. In 1984 Goldstein was seen as part of the justification for military buildup, more surveillance of the public and he was an excuse for why civil liberties needed to be curtailed or eliminated – our troll serves none of those functions. If anything, he has the opposite effect.

    As for what you claimed – No, Goldstein was only portrayed, falsely, as a “leader of the opposition” – so in a sense as our troll is an obvious shill and is as fake, he is not “a leader” nor is he “of the opposition” as he is a sycophant of the obamunists and moonbat Democrats in general.

    You got one thing right, in a sense – though clearly the ruling party wanted Goldstein to be listened to, if only to cause the public to turn away from him and toward them, our troll is NOT to be listened to as he hasn’t said an honest, constructive thing here in a long time, if ever.

    And while it’s true our troll may be hated by some, I actually pity him – so alone and friendless in this big world that the best thing he can do with his time is come here and try to cause trouble – which you seem to think he’s good at but, in truth, he hasn’t had any adverse affect here at all. Most of us, if not all, laugh at him. We put up a pretense, sometimes, of trying to get him to act like an honest adult, but do you really think we expect to ever see him actually do it?

    We do not need our troll to give us a “tangible focus for our ire” – Obama and the Democrats give us all the focus we need. If anything our troll tries, and fails, to distract and misinform us.

    In short, our troll serves NO PURPOSE here – we suspect he’s being paid, sometimes, though I suspect it’s rather that he’s just so mentally ill he actually enjoys coming here and being abused routinely. Maybe he’s hanging from chains from the ceiling that end in hooks in his back while he’s posting, for all I know. Or he’s in a rubber suit with a ball gag with fat, sweaty guys taking turns doing unmentionable things to him.

    As for wanting to engage the troll in debate – good luck with that. He posts nonsense, but whenever we try to get him to actually express an honest opinion he refuses.

    You might ask him about his past admissions about a preference for homosexual pedophelia though. That used to get him going.

  72. lao says:

    Needless to say fuzzy, whenever bobby is challenged to provide a link to a direct quote of my supposed “past admissions” he fails miserably.

    You can’t imagine how much I laugh at these pathetic smears and lies.

    It’s sad, but it’s all bobby has.

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