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Dec 19 2012

Open Thread


Via Liberal Logic 101, on a tip from TED.

47 Responses to “Open Thread”

  1. Jimbo says:

    The Jew with the gun is a terrorist holding those children hostage. Don’t believe me? Ask any liberal. And yes, they ARE that freaking STUPID!

  2. Clingtomyguns says:

    Based on these 3 weasel’s strong negative reaction, this movie may be worth going to see:

    “Zero Dark Thirty,” which has already been named the film of the year by the New York Film Critics Circle and the National Board of Review, opens with an extended waterboarding scene.

    “It suggests [non-politically correct and therefore] controversial interrogation techniques [against Islamic jihadists] viewed as forms of torture by many [liberal fools] eventually helped interrogators gain information about bin Laden’s courier, which helped intelligence agencies track down the terrorist’s hideout in Abbottabad, Pakistan.

    Nevertheless, top 1% reptilian-like Sen. Feinstein squaks that a correlation between the use of waterboarding and the discovery of bin Laden’s compound was “dangerous.”

    Sens. Feinstein (D-Mexifornia), Levin (D-Unionthugland) and McCain (RINO-Ariz.) all say that the use of enhanced interrogation did not contribute to the CIA tracking down bin Laden.

    But some Republicans, such as former Vice President Dick Cheney, argue the techniques — including waterboarding, depriving prisoners of sleep and putting them in stressful positions for extended periods of time — did play an important role in the gathering of intelligence.

    The liberal senators request that the Sony state that the role of torture, as it’s depicted in the movie, is “not based on the facts.”

    “We believe the film is grossly inaccurate and misleading in its suggestion that torture resulted in information that led to the location of Osama bin Laden,” the senators write.

    The lawmakers pointed to a recent report on enhanced interrogation tactics by the Senate Un-Intelligence Committee [under Feinstein’s leadership] that they said [set out to] proved the ineffectiveness of waterboarding and other measures in gaining actionable intelligence.

    Feinstein’s Un-Intelligence Committee completed the 6,000-page report last week on the CIA’s detention and interrogation program under the George W. Bush administration. The vote on the torture report, which took three years to complete, was split 9-6, with Republicans voting against adopting the [Blame Booosh] report.

    The report itself remains classified as administration officials review it and consider what parts might be[politically expedient to be] declassified. Feinstein and McCain have said they hope to make [the parts of] it [that fit their narrative] public once the review is completed.

  3. Ghost of FA Hayek says:

    Quirks and machinations of moral relativism

    They grow some looney ones locally

  4. Bob Roberts says:

    Reporters Criticized for Not Following Script at White House News Conference…

    Obama Uses Sandy Hook Massacre to Push Tax Hikes

    Inside the mind of Newtown killer; he ‘was like a ghost’

    ‘He didn’t understand why she wanted him to go out into the world. She told me she couldn’t reach him — and she was worried,’ says a family friend.

    Barber shop discussion about school shooting ends in gunfire.

    Latin Americans rank as happiest people on planet… And that is apparently why so many of them are literally dying to try to come here.

    Obama threatens to veto efforts to avoid fiscal cliff.

    “He sat in his room playing video games for hours and hours,” the friend said. “She thought the best thing was for him to get out of the house and into the world. To interact with people a little bit.”

    But the 20-year-old rejected the idea and stopped speaking to his mother, the friend said. Nancy Lanza and her youngest son hadn’t talked for three days before he fatally shot her Friday morning

    Nancy Lanza had brought her son to a psychiatrist as he became increasingly anti-social — spending endless hours in his room by himself.

    While Nancy hadn’t set a hard deadline for Adam to move out, her concern was increasing as he became more “distant” and “withdrawing into himself,” the friend said.

    “I’m not sure that’s the reason he snapped, but it’s my best guess,” the friend said. “I knew that that was the source of any stress between the two.”

    The friend also rejected a report that Nancy was planning to have her son committed to a psychiatric facility.

    Aparently the press has not learned – as they’ve been reporting this was triggered by her plan to have him committed, which turns out perhaps to be a complete fabrication. Or maybe he believed it was true though it wasn’t?

    Feinstein and other Senators upset movie accurately depicts fact that waterboarding helped us find and kill Osama.

  5. Bob Roberts says:

    Clingtomyguns says: December 19, 2012 at 9:12 pm
    Apparently their complaint is the movie’s accurate depiction of the role water boarding (they insist it’s torture) played in finding and killing Osama.

    They deny it had any role in the events.

    Just like they denied there were WMD in Iraq, but only after Bush was elected and only after claiming the opposite for years while Clinton was President.

  6. nanc says:

    Prepare to be sickened, Van and crew:

    Merry Christmas anyway – Hello, Henry, if you’re out there!

  7. Bo-Jangles says:

    Here’s another reason atheists must be tracked down and hanged whenever and wherever they’re found, else they will destroy what’s left of this country.

  8. Rich says:

    shut me down eh..

  9. Bob Roberts says:

    Shut you down?

    Things to do in Chicago when you’re bored.

    Ride public transportation wielding feces filled socks.

    Are they going to ban socks or feces after this one?

    I guess the weather in Asia didn’t get the memo.

    Russia is enduring its harshest winter in over 70 years, with temperatures plunging as low as -50 degrees Celsius. Dozens of people have already died, and almost 150 have been hospitalized.

  10. AvatarofThey says:

    I’m sure that has nothing to do with the fact that Israel’s population is 40 times smaller than the US’s, and I’m sure the fact she’s carrying a gun has nothing to do with the fact that they live right next to a warzone.

  11. TED says:

    AvatarofThey says: December 20, 2012 at 4:51 am

    NEITHER point means a thing! You are grasping dumbass.

  12. AvatarofThey says:


    Israel’s population is 7 million. America’s is 315 million. Do you have a basic grasp of Bayesian reasoning, or do I really need to explain why less people would mean less people killed in shootings?

  13. Momster says:

    AvatarofThey says:
    December 20, 2012 at 5:17 am @TED

    Israel’s population is 7 million. America’s is 315 million. Do you have a basic grasp of Bayesian reasoning, or do I really need to explain why less people would mean less people killed in shootings?

    Oh, Avatar, learn English! Fewer people–not less people.

    Still–if there were a citizen with a gun in the school the shooter would most likely have not killed the great number of little innocents. Providing, of course, that the shooter ignoring all the trouble he/she would have gotten into for having a gun in a helpless victim (gun-free) zone, had the stones to kill him (put him out of our misery).

  14. Momster says:

    Please put a comma after the word “shooter.”

  15. Momster says:

    Also that shooter I referred to is the citizen (hero) with the life-saving gun.

  16. Ghost of FA Hayek says:


    How, then, to explain Israel’s relatively low rate of gun-related deaths? For Lior Nedivi, an independent firearms examiner in Jerusalem and the co-author of a comprehensive report comparing Israel’s gun laws and culture to that of the United States, the answer lies far from the law books. “An armed society,” Nedivi wrote, quoting the science fiction writer Robert A. Heinlein, “is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.” It may be a bit odd to think of Israeli society as polite, but when it comes to guns it is, and for just the reason articulated by Heinlein: When everyone has a gun, guns are no longer seen as talismans by weak, frightened, and unstable men seeking a sense of self-validation, but as killing machines that are to be handled with the utmost caution and care.

    Gun free zones ?

  17. Sinister66 says:

    I think the last thing we want is gun laws like Israel.

  18. Mr Evilwrench says:

    Mere population is not an issue; what is their population density compared to ours? Israel is pretty small. If it was 7 million people spread over the area of the US, maybe that would be worth considering.

    So, since “enhanced” interrogation techniques are so loathsome, can we count on them not using them on us when the worm has turned? They seriously want us to accept that they’re not effective when we kept using them? If they weren’t effective, they wouldn’t be worth the bother.

    Now, if you’re going to wield a poo sock, just make sure it’s not one of those high capacity assault socks. That would make you a bad person.

  19. Columba says:

    Of course these “gun-free zones” make it impossible for people working (or shopping or attending services) in the gun-free zones to protect themselves even outside the zones. For years, I wanted to get a concealed-carry permit to protect myself in the parking lots of my church and place of employment (a university) because I often arrived before sunrise or left after sunset when there were few people around. Unfortunately, once I got to the church itself, or my building on campus, I was faced with a “no guns allowed” sign. So after protecting myself against muggers in the parking lot, what was I supposed to do with the gun? Leave it at the door? Maybe with a sign attached saying “Dear criminal, please help yourself to this nice gun”? These people have no brains.

  20. Cluebat from Exodar says:

    Tuberculosis is making a comeback.

    What they will not be telling you is that it comes to us primarily courtesy of our porous southern border.

    TB is difficult and expensive to treat. American taxpayers will be held responsible for paying the bill for treatments that for the most part will be discontinued when symptoms diminish- resulting in relapse and possible variation to resistance strains.

    How many must die?

    MSM are genocidal, but only towards crackers, so it’s okay.

  21. Cluebat from Exodar says:


  22. Anne says:

    parents want a teacher to be fired for exercising her free speech.

  23. StanInTexas says:

    Here is a thought and a response to the Gun Grabbers…


  24. dan says:

    OUTRAGE….I’ll give you outrage:
    voting for or supporting a murderer is being an accessory

  25. StanInTexas says:

    And here is another little tidbit of information on mass shootings that the national media CONVENIENTLY forgot to mention…

    From John Lott, author of “More Guns, Less Crime”
    LOTT: “And I’ll give you a simple example from this year. I mean any of the ones you point to from this year or past years are going to follow that, but look at the Colorado shooting that the governor is going to be coming on to talk about. You had seven movie theaters showing the Batman movie within a 20-minute drive of the killer’s apartment.
    Only one of those seven movie theaters posted a ban on concealed handguns. The killer didn’t go to the movie theater that was closest to his home. There was one that was only 1.3 miles away. He didn’t go to the largest one. In fact, one advertises itself quite openly as having the largest auditorium in the state of Colorado.
    And you’d think if you wanted to go to one that would kill a lot of people, he’d go to the largest one on premiere night for the Batman movie. Instead, the one he went to was the only one that banned concealed handguns. And that happens time after time.”

  26. Rich says:

    Mr. Blount.. why can i not post any links??

  27. Kevin R. says:

    “An armed society,” Nedivi wrote, quoting the science fiction writer Robert A. Heinlein, “is a polite society.

    There’s the rub. Moonbats most decidedly do not desire nor create polite societies.

  28. Bob Roberts says:

    How much warming will a doubling of atmospheric carbon dioxide actually produce?

    Evidence points to a further rise of just 1°C by 2100. The net effect on the planet may actually be beneficial.

    No, that’s not the claims of some so-called “denier”. That’s what it says in the IPCC’s latest draft (AR5 WG1) climate report.

    Though Nic Lewis is a financier, he has a strong mathematics and physics background.

    He first collaborated with others to expose major statistical errors in a 2009 study of Antarctic temperatures. In 2011 he discovered that the IPCC had, by an unjustified statistical manipulation, altered the results of a key 2006 paper by Piers Forster of Reading University and Jonathan Gregory of the Met Office (the United Kingdom’s national weather service), to vastly increase the small risk that the paper showed of climate sensitivity being high. Mr. Lewis also found that the IPCC had misreported the results of another study, leading to the IPCC issuing an Erratum in 2011.

    We can now estimate, based on observations, how sensitive the temperature is to carbon dioxide. We do not need to rely heavily on unproven models. Comparing the trend in global temperature over the past 100-150 years with the change in “radiative forcing” (heating or cooling power) from carbon dioxide, aerosols and other sources, minus ocean heat uptake, can now give a good estimate of climate sensitivity.

    The conclusion—taking the best observational estimates of the change in decadal-average global temperature between 1871-80 and 2002-11, and of the corresponding changes in forcing and ocean heat uptake—is this: A doubling of CO2 will lead to a warming of 1.6°-1.7°C (2.9°-3.1°F).

    This is much lower than the IPCC’s current best estimate, 3°C (5.4°F).

    Mr. Lewis comments: “Taking the IPCC scenario that assumes a doubling of CO2, plus the equivalent of another 30% rise from other greenhouse gases by 2100, we are likely to experience a further rise of no more than 1°C.”

    A cumulative change of less than 2°C by the end of this century will do no net harm. It will actually do net good—that much the IPCC scientists have already agreed upon in the last IPCC report. Rainfall will increase slightly, growing seasons will lengthen, Greenland’s ice cap will melt (improving conditions there, by the way) only very slowly, and so on.

    Some of the best recent observationally based research also points to climate sensitivity being about 1.6°C for a doubling of CO2. An impressive study published this year by Magne Aldrin of the Norwegian Computing Center and colleagues gives a most-likely estimate of 1.6°C. Michael Ring and Michael Schlesinger of the University of Illinois, using the most trustworthy temperature record, also estimate 1.6°C.

    The big question is this: Will the lead authors of the relevant chapter of the forthcoming IPCC scientific report acknowledge that the best observational evidence no longer supports the IPCC’s existing 2°-4.5°C “likely” range for climate sensitivity? Unfortunately, this seems unlikely—given the organization’s record of replacing evidence-based policy-making with policy-based evidence-making, as well as the reluctance of academic scientists to accept that what they have been maintaining for many years is wrong.

  29. Dave Blount says:

    Must be the spam filter. Send them direct in an email and I’ll try to figure out why the filter is blocking them. Sorry for the hassle, but the filter is an absolute necessity.

  30. Rich says:

    Natural Society article reporting that Adam Lanza was on Fanapt..

    will email……

  31. Rich says:

    i can post to other sites..but your site is not accepting links i try to post..

  32. Bob Roberts says:

    AvatarofThey says: December 20, 2012 at 4:51 am

    I’m sure you have absolutely demonstrated your ignorance by failing to grasp the most significant point: When you advertise to lunatics and criminals that all they have to do to have 100% helpless victims is go to any liberal-sponsored “gun free zone”, you’re going to have a lot more people killed. The teacher has a gun because, Israel knows better to have “gun free zones” for terrorists to target. It’s not a “war zone” so much as it is the fact there are terrorist havens all around Israel – Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebannon and let’s not forget the main terrorist bastions, Gaza and the West Bank.

    You really need to lay off the kool-aid and don’t bother continuing to offer to sell it here – WE AIN’T BUYIN’!

  33. Bob Roberts says:

    Actually I want to thank AvatarofThey for providing clear confirmation of the image that heads this thread at Moonbattery. Yes, they really are that stupid, as his posts prove.

  34. Bob Roberts says:

    As I have mentioned, there is now underway an attempt to link human activity, fossil fuel use among other things, with climate change via global cooling. Since even the most indoctrinated liberal will soon be forced to accept the reality the world is NOT warming catastrophically, and in fact we’re probably headed for a significant cooling period, they need to be able to keep up the fraud that humans are behind it.

    Early indications of what they’re doing are here.

    You can look for them to attempt to link “aerosol forcing” to human activity even though natural forces OTHER THAN HUMANS, as with atmospheric CO2, are the primary drivers of atmospheric trends.

  35. Ralph says:

    There are 40 times as many school shooting deaths in the US as there are in Israel? What does that prove? There are 40 times as many people in the US as there are in Israel. That would mean our rate is roughly the same as theirs. I’m very pro-2nd Amendment, but this post is nonsense.

  36. Jodie says:


    It might make more sense if you put it in the perspective that there are millions of Arabs surrounding Israel, whose main goal is to annihilate all Jews. They spend their entire lives learning to hate the Jews and hearing lies about them. Thus, the Jews in Israel are a constant target – especially the children.

  37. RestOfTheWorld says:

    {Gunther comment deleted}

  38. Shooter1001 says:

    One other difference between Israeli school security and ours: there are entire nations of Islamic crazies who would kill every Israeli child, EACH AND EVERY CHILD if given half a chance of success!!! And we are the ones with the overwhelming number of dead kids!! Who’s smarter, the ones with “gun free zones” or the ones who have trained gun carrying teachers in their schools???

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