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Feb 14 2016

Trump Drops Mask, Goes Full Moonbat in Debate

Remember Cindy Sheehan, the unhinged moonbat who acquired her 15 minutes of fame by yelling seditious rhetoric in the early days of the Iraq War? If you saw the Republican debate last night, you might have been reminded of her by Trump spitting up the same ultra-left B.S. Here’s the old “Bush lied, people died” canard:

Trump’s eyelids match the mauve lettering behind him nicely. As he got increasingly angry at the boo birds, the rest of his complexion approached the same shade as the red background.

Saddam did have weapons of mass destruction; his use of them against Iran and against his own people was thoroughly documented. In the lead-up to the war, he apparently managed to export many of them to Syria, but many remained.

Even if Saddam didn’t have WMDs, to accuse Bush of lying would be itself a lie. Everyone believed Saddam had WMDs. There is no reason to think Bush was the sole exception.

True enough, the war was a mistake — but only in hindsight, knowing that Obama would prematurely withdraw our troops and allow Islamic radicals to fill the vacuum.

Note that Trump also blames W for the World Trade Center attack. It isn’t the first time. He has even ventured into 9/11 Truther territory.

Trump is not just a liberal posing as a Republican. He is a moonbat posing as an American.

While Bush 43 was taking the fight to the terrorists and American troops were in harm’s way, the Donald was yelping about impeachment. When the Tea Party reached full steam, he was praising Obama and denouncing America for being racist. Now he’s back to echoing Michael Moore propaganda regarding the Iraq War and 9/11.

Anyone with right-of-center politics who supports Donald Trump has been duped. The guy is a talented salesman. But now the mask is off, so there is no excuse not to acknowledge the mistake.

On a tip from Torcer. Hat tip: RedState.



212 Responses to “Trump Drops Mask, Goes Full Moonbat in Debate”

  1. Torcer says:

    Trump was half-crazed at the debate, but does anyone care? « Hot Air Headlines http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2016/02/14/trump-was-half-crazed-at-the-debate-but-does-anyone-care/ via @hotairblog

    Trump Was Half-Crazed, but Does Anyone Care?
    I feel like we’re back in the pre-Iowa period when no one could figure out whether Donald Trump skipping the Iowa debate would hurt him — by the normal rules, of course it would hurt him; by the Trump rules, it wouldn’t make a difference and might even help (by demonstrating strength).

    By the normal rules, Trump’s embracing a blood libel about George W. Bush (he knew there were no WMD in Iraq), saying Planned Parenthood does great things, and often swinging wildly and angrily would hurt him a week out from a primary in Bush-friendly, hawkish, socially conservative South Carolina.

    But we’ll see. Certainly Trump’s behavior reinforces the idea that he’s disrupter and not just another politician, and Republican voters might not mind so much that one of the candidates is outspokenly anti–Iraq war (even if he takes it too far). Trump continues to be able to interrupt everyone else with impunity and act the Big Man on stage, with no one really able or willing to assert themselves against him.
    Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/431288/donald-trump-gop-debates-showcases-his-outlandishness

  2. Torcer says:

    Trump was out of control in South Carolina debate http://nyp.st/1SO0WVP via @nypost

    Trump was out of control in South Carolina debate
    Donald Trump was so awful, so horrible, so disgusting in the latest Republican debate — his lies, his distortions, his deceits, and his libels thicker and fouler than they’ve yet been—that he’s done us all a favor. If he wins easily in South Carolina after his monstrous turn, he’ll be going straight to the Republican nomination.

    Such a victory in a classically conservative state like South Carolina after his romp in idiosyncratic New Hampshire will prove Trump’s repellent personality is the real key to his success. You want me to delineate his dishonesties? That would be like asking me to count how many breaths he took.

    We will not be able to labor under any delusions after a win comparable to his triumph in New Hampshire. We will know for a certainty that the man Republicans want for their tribune in 2016 is a disgusting jerk they somehow believe will have their backs when the only back he’s ever had is his own.

    South Carolina, a state filled with evangelicals and active and retired military, just listened to the Republican frontrunner blame George W. Bush for 9/11. And blame him again. And blame him a third time. We’re told the former president has an 87 percent approval rating in the state. So aside from saying something appalling and untrue and unjust, what Trump did would seem politically suicidal, no?

    Well, no—or let us say, we don’t yet know. Since he began running he has demonstrated he knows things we don’t know about the emotions roiling in the American underbelly. Maybe he knows this too. Or maybe he knows he needed there to be a shadow hanging over the former president’s appearance in the state as he campaigns for his younger brother Jeb on Monday.
    http://nypost.com/2016/02/13/trump-was-out-of-control-in-south-carolina-debate/

  3. Torcer says:

    Trump was half-crazed at the debate, but does anyone care? « Hot Air Headlines http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2016/02/14/trump-was-half-crazed-at-the-debate-but-does-anyone-care/ via @hotairblog

    Trump Was Half-Crazed, but Does Anyone Care?
    I feel like we’re back in the pre-Iowa period when no one could figure out whether Donald Trump skipping the Iowa debate would hurt him — by the normal rules, of course it would hurt him; by the Trump rules, it wouldn’t make a difference and might even help (by demonstrating strength).

    By the normal rules, Trump’s embracing a blood libel about George W. Bush (he knew there were no WMD in Iraq), saying Planned Parenthood does great things, and often swinging wildly and angrily would hurt him a week out from a primary in Bush-friendly, hawkish, socially conservative South Carolina.

    But we’ll see. Certainly Trump’s behavior reinforces the idea that he’s disrupter and not just another politician, and Republican voters might not mind so much that one of the candidates is outspokenly anti–Iraq war (even if he takes it too far). Trump continues to be able to interrupt everyone else with impunity and act the Big Man on stage, with no one really able or willing to assert themselves against him.
    Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/431288/donald-trump-gop-debates-showcases-his-outlandishness

  4. Torcer says:

    Trump was out of control in South Carolina debate http://nyp.st/1SO0WVP via @nypost

    Trump was out of control in South Carolina debate
    Donald Trump was so awful, so horrible, so disgusting in the latest Republican debate — his lies, his distortions, his deceits, and his libels thicker and fouler than they’ve yet been—that he’s done us all a favor. If he wins easily in South Carolina after his monstrous turn, he’ll be going straight to the Republican nomination.

    Such a victory in a classically conservative state like South Carolina after his romp in idiosyncratic New Hampshire will prove Trump’s repellent personality is the real key to his success. You want me to delineate his dishonesties? That would be like asking me to count how many breaths he took.

    We will not be able to labor under any delusions after a win comparable to his triumph in New Hampshire. We will know for a certainty that the man Republicans want for their tribune in 2016 is a disgusting jerk they somehow believe will have their backs when the only back he’s ever had is his own.

    South Carolina, a state filled with evangelicals and active and retired military, just listened to the Republican frontrunner blame George W. Bush for 9/11. And blame him again. And blame him a third time. We’re told the former president has an 87 percent approval rating in the state. So aside from saying something appalling and untrue and unjust, what Trump did would seem politically suicidal, no?

    Well, no—or let us say, we don’t yet know. Since he began running he has demonstrated he knows things we don’t know about the emotions roiling in the American underbelly. Maybe he knows this too. Or maybe he knows he needed there to be a shadow hanging over the former president’s appearance in the state as he campaigns for his younger brother Jeb on Monday.
    http://nypost.com/2016/02/13/trump-was-out-of-control-in-south-carolina-debate/

  5. Tuvok Shakur says:

    I hope people will see through the orange raccoon.

  6. Tuvok Shakur says:

    I hope people will see through the orange raccoon.

  7. 762x51 says:

    Reminiscent of Boehner and his trademark spray on tan.

  8. 762x51 says:

    Reminiscent of Boehner and his trademark spray on tan.

  9. Skip says:

    If Donald Trump is not the GOP nominee for the 2016 election anyone else will lose to Clinton and we will have the same old same that we now have. Trump is the only candidate that has the intelligence and guts to bring the country back from where it is now.

  10. Skip says:

    If Donald Trump is not the GOP nominee for the 2016 election anyone else will lose to Clinton and we will have the same old same that we now have. Trump is the only candidate that has the intelligence and guts to bring the country back from where it is now.

  11. Dookiestain_LaFlair says:

    If A Trump presidency is what it takes to have a real investigation into 9/11, put Hilliary in prison, end illegal immigration and stop the Mohammedan cultural conquest of Western Civilization, that so be it. I would rather have a president that doesn’t have imaginary friends than a religious nutjob.

  12. Dookiestain_LaFlair says:

    If A Trump presidency is what it takes to have a real investigation into 9/11, put Hilliary in prison, end illegal immigration and stop the Mohammedan cultural conquest of Western Civilization, that so be it. I would rather have a president that doesn’t have imaginary friends than a religious nutjob.

  13. bigpete says:

    The guy has been on every side of every issue during his career and I would expect precisely the same from him as President. A couple of thoughts should he get the nomination:

    1. Would you rather see Hillary or Sanders win?
    2. Trump would sideline the GOPe.

    We may get some conservative policies out of Trump. We certainly won’t out of any Dem.

  14. bigpete says:

    The guy has been on every side of every issue during his career and I would expect precisely the same from him as President. A couple of thoughts should he get the nomination:

    1. Would you rather see Hillary or Sanders win?
    2. Trump would sideline the GOPe.

    We may get some conservative policies out of Trump. We certainly won’t out of any Dem.

  15. Torcer says:

    ‘If the moon landings were fake, the truth would have been exposed within 4 years’: Physicist formulates how long conspiracy theories could realistically remain a secret

    A physicist calculated how many people would have potentially worked on popular theories, from the moon landings to climate change
    He then formulated how likely it would be that the secrets would be kept
    Moon landings would have been exposed in three years and eight months
    For a plot to last five years, it would need to involve just 2,521 people

    From the moon landings being an elaborate hoax, to climate change deniers, there are many conspiracy theories that are believed by a large number of people worldwide.

    But the amount of people who would have been involved in keeping such large-scale secrets suggests that if they were true, they would have been exposed by someone by now.

    With this in mind, a physicist has calculated how many people would have potentially worked on some of the most popular theories, and what is the likelihood of them all keeping a secret.
    Using this model, the truth about the moon landings being a hoax would have been exposed in three years and eight months.

    A climate change fraud would have been uncovered in three years nine months, a vaccination conspiracy would take three years and two months to be revealed, and a suppressed cancer cure would come to light after three years and three months.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3417640/Oxford-University-physicist-formulates-long-conspiracy-theories-remain-secret.html

  16. Torcer says:

    ‘If the moon landings were fake, the truth would have been exposed within 4 years’: Physicist formulates how long conspiracy theories could realistically remain a secret

    A physicist calculated how many people would have potentially worked on popular theories, from the moon landings to climate change
    He then formulated how likely it would be that the secrets would be kept
    Moon landings would have been exposed in three years and eight months
    For a plot to last five years, it would need to involve just 2,521 people

    From the moon landings being an elaborate hoax, to climate change deniers, there are many conspiracy theories that are believed by a large number of people worldwide.

    But the amount of people who would have been involved in keeping such large-scale secrets suggests that if they were true, they would have been exposed by someone by now.

    With this in mind, a physicist has calculated how many people would have potentially worked on some of the most popular theories, and what is the likelihood of them all keeping a secret.
    Using this model, the truth about the moon landings being a hoax would have been exposed in three years and eight months.

    A climate change fraud would have been uncovered in three years nine months, a vaccination conspiracy would take three years and two months to be revealed, and a suppressed cancer cure would come to light after three years and three months.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3417640/Oxford-University-physicist-formulates-long-conspiracy-theories-remain-secret.html

  17. Inigo says:

    If you still think Osama did 9/11 with all the proof in the world saying other wise that’s on you. Israel and neocons were responsible and we have every shred of evidence for it.

  18. Charles Martel says:

    If you still think Osama did 9/11 with all the proof in the world saying other wise that’s on you. Israel and neocons were responsible and we have every shred of evidence for it.

  19. John Q. Whiteman says:

    If The Donald loses the nomination, he will go full kamikaze. We are screwed.

  20. John Q. Whiteman says:

    If The Donald loses the nomination, he will go full kamikaze. We are screwed.

  21. 762x51 says:

    Stinks like Progressive troll in here.

  22. 762x51 says:

    Stinks like Progressive troll in here.

  23. 762x51 says:

    The same story we have heard about Bob Dole, John McCain, Mitt Romney, both Bush 41 and 43. We are done holding our nose and voting for the lesser of two evils. Progressive Republicans only differ from Progressive Democrats in the velocity at which they will take us over the cliff. Once over the cliff, the only velocity that matters is the acceleration of gravity which is a constant. It is the same regardless of who took you over the edge or the speed at which you went over.

  24. 762x51 says:

    The same story we have heard about Bob Dole, John McCain, Mitt Romney, both Bush 41 and 43. We are done holding our nose and voting for the lesser of two evils. Progressive Republicans only differ from Progressive Democrats in the velocity at which they will take us over the cliff. Once over the cliff, the only velocity that matters is the acceleration of gravity which is a constant. It is the same regardless of who took you over the edge or the speed at which you went over.

  25. […] Anyone with right-of-center politics who supports Donald Trump has been duped. The guy is a talented salesman. But now the mask is off, so there is no excuse not to acknowledge the mistake.   Keep reading…. […]

  26. Dookiestain_LaFlair says:

    When an event occurs that that fundamentally changes the dynamics of global geopolitics, there is one question above all others whose answer will most assuredly point to its perpetrators. That question is “Cui bono?” If those so indicted are in addition found to have had both motive and means then, as they say in the US, it’s pretty much a “slam-dunk”.
    And so it is with the events of 9/11.
    Discounting the Official Narrative as the absurdity it so clearly is, there are just two organisations on the entire planet with the expertise, assets, access and political protection necessary to have both executed 9/11 and effected its cover-up to date (ie the means). Both are Intelligence Agencies – the CIA and the Israeli Mossad whose motives were arguably the most compelling. Those motives dovetailed perfectly with the Neocon PNAC agenda, with it’s explicitly stated need for “…a catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor” [1] in order to mobilise US public opinion for already planned wars, the effects of which would be to destroy Israel’s enemies.

  27. bigpete says:

    If Trump were GOPe, I’d FULLY agree with you. Since he is not I have less qualms about holding my nose as I would expect him to frustrate the GOPe as much as us conservatives and that delights me. Schadenfreude, it’s not what I prefer but I will take it over the alternative.

  28. Dookiestain_LaFlair says:

    When an event occurs that that fundamentally changes the dynamics of global geopolitics, there is one question above all others whose answer will most assuredly point to its perpetrators. That question is “Cui bono?” If those so indicted are in addition found to have had both motive and means then, as they say in the US, it’s pretty much a “slam-dunk”.
    And so it is with the events of 9/11.
    Discounting the Official Narrative as the absurdity it so clearly is, there are just two organisations on the entire planet with the expertise, assets, access and political protection necessary to have both executed 9/11 and effected its cover-up to date (ie the means). Both are Intelligence Agencies – the CIA and the Israeli Mossad whose motives were arguably the most compelling. Those motives dovetailed perfectly with the Neocon PNAC agenda, with it’s explicitly stated need for “…a catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor” [1] in order to mobilise US public opinion for already planned wars, the effects of which would be to destroy Israel’s enemies.

  29. bigpete says:

    If Trump were GOPe, I’d FULLY agree with you. Since he is not I have less qualms about holding my nose as I would expect him to frustrate the GOPe as much as us conservatives and that delights me. Schadenfreude, it’s not what I prefer but I will take it over the alternative.

  30. Dookiestain_LaFlair says:

    Do you always begin conversations this way?

  31. Dookiestain_LaFlair says:

    Do you always begin conversations this way?

  32. Wocka Wocka says:

    …and yet every, single poll had Trump the winner of the debate, by a large margin. Even The Blaze (who hates Trump as much as Moonbattery does) had Trump winning. Lol

  33. Wocka Wocka says:

    …and yet every, single poll had Trump the winner of the debate, by a large margin. Even The Blaze (who hates Trump as much as Moonbattery does) had Trump winning. Lol

  34. KHarn says:

    Then where is it?
    If you or someone else “had proof” do you REALLY think that a government so ruthless and evil as to kill almost three thousand Americans, start a war that killed thousands more AND killed thousands of foreigners, do you REALLY think they would let you “truthers” live and spread your poison?
    That’s the proof that you are full of shit.

  35. KHarn says:

    Then where is it?
    If you or someone else “had proof” do you REALLY think that a government so ruthless and evil as to kill almost three thousand Americans, start a war that killed thousands more AND killed thousands of foreigners, do you REALLY think they would let you “truthers” live and spread your poison?
    That’s the proof that you are full of shit.

  36. bigpete says:

    I believe 9/11 was the aliens attacking from their darkside base on the moon we never actually landed on. Preach it brother.

  37. bigpete says:

    I believe 9/11 was the aliens attacking from their darkside base on the moon we never actually landed on. Preach it brother.

  38. KHarn says:

    Accusations are worthless, let’s see some PROOF.

  39. KHarn says:

    Accusations are worthless, let’s see some PROOF.

  40. Admiral Ackbar! says:

    Either that or you’re too much of a moron to admit YOU are the sheep. Idiot.

  41. Admiral Ackbar! says:

    Either that or you’re too much of a moron to admit YOU are the sheep. Idiot.

  42. MAS says:

    A virtual army of The Donald Mini Me types…or so it seems.

  43. MAS says:

    A virtual army of The Donald Mini Me types…or so it seems.

  44. Admiral Ackbar! says:

    Of course, George Dork Bush lied…probably just repeated the lies he was told to. Face it, “dubya” was a brainless imbecile who was easily led and it’s not surprising that the jews in the DoD “Office of Special Plans”, run by Wolfowitz, Perle and Feith came up with the fake “evidence” of WMDs that was completely bogus, yes, bogus. 35,000 Americans were killed or wounded invading a country that had nothing to do with 9/11, had no WMDs and was no threat to us. If you can’t admit you were wrong, you’re the problem, not Trump.

  45. Admiral Ackbar! says:

    Of course, George Dork Bush lied…probably just repeated the lies he was told to. Face it, “dubya” was a brainless imbecile who was easily led and it’s not surprising that the jews in the DoD “Office of Special Plans”, run by Wolfowitz, Perle and Feith came up with the fake “evidence” of WMDs that was completely bogus, yes, bogus. 35,000 Americans were killed or wounded invading a country that had nothing to do with 9/11, had no WMDs and was no threat to us. If you can’t admit you were wrong, you’re the problem, not Trump.

  46. J.j. Cintia says:

    Are you talking about “Islam is the religion of peace” W Bush? Are you talking about nation building and flowering of democracy that gets Americans crippled and maimed Bush? Is that the Holy Warrior that blew a Billion Dollars to send AIDS drugs to Africa so they can smoke it Bush? The Bush that appointed “Obamacare is a tax”, Roberts BUSH?
    No thanks man. We’re tired of the Bush League and neo-conjobs OK? Trump may not be Conservative but neither is anyone else that’s running. Canadian Cubano Cruz has a Vampire Squid Wife that wants US in the North American Union with the same Anti-White policies as the execrable EU. Rubio is the best friend Chuck scumbag Schumer ever had in the Senate. Another Bush and I’m joining Al-Qaeda, cause you’re obviously trying to throw this War.
    Whats wrong with White Supremacy? All the Founding Fathers were White men, and our Constitution is the best in the Whole World. If you want brown people running your government go to Hell or Mexico or Brazil or the nearest Third World Hellhole of brown dysfunction. I like Western Civilization, and it only comes in WHITE!

  47. J.j. Cintia says:

    Are you talking about “Islam is the religion of peace” W Bush? Are you talking about nation building and flowering of democracy that gets Americans crippled and maimed Bush? Is that the Holy Warrior that blew a Billion Dollars to send AIDS drugs to Africa so they can smoke it Bush? The Bush that appointed “Obamacare is a tax”, Roberts BUSH?
    No thanks man. We’re tired of the Bush League and neo-conjobs OK? Trump may not be Conservative but neither is anyone else that’s running. Canadian Cubano Cruz has a Vampire Squid Wife that wants US in the North American Union with the same Anti-White policies as the execrable EU. Rubio is the best friend Chuck scumbag Schumer ever had in the Senate. Another Bush and I’m joining Al-Qaeda, cause you’re obviously trying to throw this War.
    Whats wrong with White Supremacy? All the Founding Fathers were White men, and our Constitution is the best in the Whole World. If you want brown people running your government go to Hell or Mexico or Brazil or the nearest Third World Hellhole of brown dysfunction. I like Western Civilization, and it only comes in WHITE!

  48. Mr. Freemarket says:

    You are buying into the “Hope and Change” mantra.

    In fact…over the last several presidential cycles, the complaint has been that the GOP has put forward RINOs rather than true conservatives. These RINOs compromise with the democrats, just as Trump promises to do.

  49. Mr. Freemarket says:

    You are buying into the “Hope and Change” mantra.

    In fact…over the last several presidential cycles, the complaint has been that the GOP has put forward RINOs rather than true conservatives. These RINOs compromise with the democrats, just as Trump promises to do.

  50. Mr. Freemarket says:

    Let’s ask a little question…are you suggesting that the towers in NY were brought down by controlled demolition? If so, what kind of explosives and detonators can withstand an hour long fire of jet fuel? Are those explosives and detonators going to reliably detonate after that exposure (as they must to bring about a controlled implosion)? How were all those explosives sequentially detonated (as they must be)? Wouldn’t you expect someone to have notices the thousands of wires necessary to tie those explosives together? Wouldn’t someone have noticed when those explosives were put into place?

    I could go on. I hope you get the picture.

  51. Mr. Freemarket says:

    Let’s ask a little question…are you suggesting that the towers in NY were brought down by controlled demolition? If so, what kind of explosives and detonators can withstand an hour long fire of jet fuel? Are those explosives and detonators going to reliably detonate after that exposure (as they must to bring about a controlled implosion)? How were all those explosives sequentially detonated (as they must be)? Wouldn’t you expect someone to have notices the thousands of wires necessary to tie those explosives together? Wouldn’t someone have noticed when those explosives were put into place?

    I could go on. I hope you get the picture.

  52. Mr. Freemarket says:

    We had Justice Scalia just die. What kinds of justices do you expect Trump to appoint (more…just like his sister)?

  53. Mr. Freemarket says:

    We had Justice Scalia just die. What kinds of justices do you expect Trump to appoint (more…just like his sister)?

  54. ragman says:

    With the exception of his family, everyone in the building was against Trump. And he still owned.

  55. ragman says:

    With the exception of his family, everyone in the building was against Trump. And he still owned.

  56. Mr. Freemarket says:

    Bush was a Republican in name only. Trump is barely a republican in name only. (Until recently he was a democrat). Why would you expect that electing another non-conservative republican in name only will produce a different result?

  57. Mr. Freemarket says:

    Bush was a Republican in name only. Trump is barely a republican in name only. (Until recently he was a democrat). Why would you expect that electing another non-conservative republican in name only will produce a different result?

  58. S_O_T_A says:

    It is almost the exact opposite. Trump is just about the only candidate that would almost guaranteed lose, but I’m willing to concede Bush’s chances of winning aren’t much better.

  59. S_O_T_A says:

    It is almost the exact opposite. Trump is just about the only candidate that would almost guaranteed lose, but I’m willing to concede Bush’s chances of winning aren’t much better.

  60. Jingles says:

    It was a thing of beauty 🙂 TRUMP 2016!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  61. Jingles says:

    It was a thing of beauty 🙂 TRUMP 2016!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  62. Cr8er says:

    Moonbattery has outlived its usefulness. Rabidly anti-Trump and pro-Canadian/Cuban hybrid. How much is Cruz paying you to be so anti-Trump?

  63. Cr8er says:

    Moonbattery has outlived its usefulness. Rabidly anti-Trump and pro-Canadian/Cuban hybrid. How much is Cruz paying you to be so anti-Trump?

  64. Torcer says:

    The point made in that article is that the higher the number of people required to carry out a conspiracy coupled with time means that it would have been impossible to have such a large conspiracy stay secret.

  65. Torcer says:

    The point made in that article is that the higher the number of people required to carry out a conspiracy coupled with time means that it would have been impossible to have such a large conspiracy stay secret.

  66. Torcer says:

    Such people like to pretend time is frozen at Sept 12, 2001 and that the absence of people coming forward makes sense.

  67. Torcer says:

    Such people like to pretend time is frozen at Sept 12, 2001 and that the absence of people coming forward makes sense.

  68. Torcer says:

    The Ego Has Landed: Why Trump Damaged Himself Tonight
    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/361507.php

    The Ego Has Landed: Why Trump Damaged Himself Tonight
    Apologies. I have no idea why I indulged myself to write so long to make such a simple point. Long story short: You can’t tell people they’ve been flat wrong about everything for 17 years, without giving the slightest reason why they should change their entire scheme of thinking, and expect them to support you.

    This was a brief line in the podcast (which we’ll post tomorrow) which I expanded, for reasons I can now no longer guess, into a 1500 word exegesis on the obvious.

    The “ego” in the headline doesn’t actually refer to Trump’s ego, for once. Rather, it refers to the voters’ egos.

    I think Trump hurt himself badly tonight, enough to knock him out of his first-place standing in most states. Oh he won’t completely disappear — but 2nd Place Trump is not the same thing as Frontrunner Trump.

    Trump damaged himself with his claim that Bush lied us into war in Iraq. Not botched the intelligence, not read too much into thin intelligence.

    Most Republicans, I think, would agree that that.

    No, Trump claimed that Bush deliberately lied us into war.

    First, this is alarming because it once again demonstrates that Trump has a conspiratorial mind. It’s not enough for the conspiracist to say someone was wrong — no, they have unrealistically black/white minds, and if you made a bad call, you must have lied.

    That conspiracism was always present in his claims about Obama’s birth certificate. But that bit of fantasy was about Obama, someone the average Republican voter isn’t exactly eager to man the battlements for.

    This corker — this Al Gore roar of quote — is about George W. Bush, someone still looked upon with affection by most of the party.

    Which brings us to the second problem.

    If Donald Trump is right, and George W. Bush deliberately schemed with his neo-con advisers to “lie” us into a phony war with Iraq, what does that say about the average Republican voter who supported Bush from 1999, voted for him, defended him through the recount, cried with him on 9/11, agreed with him on Iraq, defended him from ceaseless liberal attacks on him during the war, defended him from Obama’s never-expiring “Blame Bush” blame-shifting, etc.?

    If Trump is right, then we’re not just wrong to have supported him. If Trump’s right, we’re goddamned rubes and fools to have defended this Actual Hitler-Level Monster for going on 17 years now.

    Everyone has an ego. Even Jeb Bush.

    The first duty of every ego is to protect itself from attack.

    People want to think well of themselves, and they wish to vote in a way that makes them think well of themselves. It’s a critical goal in every campaign to convince the public that voting for this candidate is the Smart, Virtuous, Good thing to do, because people will vote in a way that enables them to luxuriate their egos.

    That’s how Barack Obama got elected. The media convinced people that they became smart and virtuous and good just by voting for this layabout pinko incompetent.

    A good leader will challenge people, and that sometimes requires posing a threat to their egos. By telling someone they are wrong– or at least aren’t thinking about things quite straight –one is attacking their ego.
    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/361507.php

  69. Torcer says:

    The Ego Has Landed: Why Trump Damaged Himself Tonight
    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/361507.php

    The Ego Has Landed: Why Trump Damaged Himself Tonight
    Apologies. I have no idea why I indulged myself to write so long to make such a simple point. Long story short: You can’t tell people they’ve been flat wrong about everything for 17 years, without giving the slightest reason why they should change their entire scheme of thinking, and expect them to support you.

    This was a brief line in the podcast (which we’ll post tomorrow) which I expanded, for reasons I can now no longer guess, into a 1500 word exegesis on the obvious.

    The “ego” in the headline doesn’t actually refer to Trump’s ego, for once. Rather, it refers to the voters’ egos.

    I think Trump hurt himself badly tonight, enough to knock him out of his first-place standing in most states. Oh he won’t completely disappear — but 2nd Place Trump is not the same thing as Frontrunner Trump.

    Trump damaged himself with his claim that Bush lied us into war in Iraq. Not botched the intelligence, not read too much into thin intelligence.

    Most Republicans, I think, would agree that that.

    No, Trump claimed that Bush deliberately lied us into war.

    First, this is alarming because it once again demonstrates that Trump has a conspiratorial mind. It’s not enough for the conspiracist to say someone was wrong — no, they have unrealistically black/white minds, and if you made a bad call, you must have lied.

    That conspiracism was always present in his claims about Obama’s birth certificate. But that bit of fantasy was about Obama, someone the average Republican voter isn’t exactly eager to man the battlements for.

    This corker — this Al Gore roar of quote — is about George W. Bush, someone still looked upon with affection by most of the party.

    Which brings us to the second problem.

    If Donald Trump is right, and George W. Bush deliberately schemed with his neo-con advisers to “lie” us into a phony war with Iraq, what does that say about the average Republican voter who supported Bush from 1999, voted for him, defended him through the recount, cried with him on 9/11, agreed with him on Iraq, defended him from ceaseless liberal attacks on him during the war, defended him from Obama’s never-expiring “Blame Bush” blame-shifting, etc.?

    If Trump is right, then we’re not just wrong to have supported him. If Trump’s right, we’re goddamned rubes and fools to have defended this Actual Hitler-Level Monster for going on 17 years now.

    Everyone has an ego. Even Jeb Bush.

    The first duty of every ego is to protect itself from attack.

    People want to think well of themselves, and they wish to vote in a way that makes them think well of themselves. It’s a critical goal in every campaign to convince the public that voting for this candidate is the Smart, Virtuous, Good thing to do, because people will vote in a way that enables them to luxuriate their egos.

    That’s how Barack Obama got elected. The media convinced people that they became smart and virtuous and good just by voting for this layabout pinko incompetent.

    A good leader will challenge people, and that sometimes requires posing a threat to their egos. By telling someone they are wrong– or at least aren’t thinking about things quite straight –one is attacking their ego.
    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/361507.php

  70. Torcer says:

    How did he ‘own’?
    He interrupted and kept on calling people liars.

    BTW, didn’t he criticize Ted Cruz for doing the same thing?

  71. Torcer says:

    How did he ‘own’?
    He interrupted and kept on calling people liars.

    BTW, didn’t he criticize Ted Cruz for doing the same thing?

  72. JoeK says:

    Honestly dude, if you can’t see Trump for what he really is then you are just as bad as any democRAT was/is for obamao. I will vote for Trump should he get the nod but Ted Cruz is much more ideologically in line with true conservatism. Which is why he will make a better president than Trump. And he is eligible despite all the rabble to the contrary! Now the Negetive Neegrow in Da White Hut is NOT eligible by any legal standard to be POTUS!

  73. JoeK says:

    Honestly dude, if you can’t see Trump for what he really is then you are just as bad as any democRAT was/is for obamao. I will vote for Trump should he get the nod but Ted Cruz is much more ideologically in line with true conservatism. Which is why he will make a better president than Trump. And he is eligible despite all the rabble to the contrary! Now the Negetive Neegrow in Da White Hut is NOT eligible by any legal standard to be POTUS!

  74. Dookiestain_LaFlair says:

    Jeb “Guac bowl” Bush got BTFO by Trump. He told him his mother should be running. It was like seeing a smarmy nerd get told off by a wiseass and it was hilarious.

  75. Dookiestain_LaFlair says:

    No, I think the Muslims that did the attack were Mossad agents or manipulated by Mossad.

  76. Dookiestain_LaFlair says:

    Jeb “Guac bowl” Bush got BTFO by Trump. He told him his mother should be running. It was like seeing a smarmy nerd get told off by a wiseass and it was hilarious.

  77. Dookiestain_LaFlair says:

    No, I think the Muslims that did the attack were Mossad agents or manipulated by Mossad.

  78. JoeK says:

    LOL!! “Smarmy, $Rich$, nerd”!! Even better!! I love this soap opera!!

  79. JoeK says:

    LOL!! “Smarmy, $Rich$, nerd”!! Even better!! I love this soap opera!!

  80. JoeK says:

    I wholeheartedly agree!! 1000+ Up Votes to you!!!

  81. JoeK says:

    I wholeheartedly agree!! 1000+ Up Votes to you!!!

  82. JoeK says:

    It is one f*cking bizarre paradox, ain’t it?!!

  83. JoeK says:

    It is one f*cking bizarre paradox, ain’t it?!!

  84. JoeK says:

    I’m betting that when he goes nutz, he’ll plant explosive charges on all of the floors of every one of his hotels and casinos and blow’em all to hell cause he’s already a multi billionaire already and he doesn’t really need them or the money but it would hurt the U.S. economy so much, to such an amazing extent that heads would spin and he would be giving the U.S. citizens a big old “what-for” for not picking him to be King of the U.S.A.!! A retaliation for his elimination so-to-say!! It’ll be great, just great, just absolutely grate!!!

  85. JoeK says:

    I’m betting that when he goes nutz, he’ll plant explosive charges on all of the floors of every one of his hotels and casinos and blow’em all to hell cause he’s already a multi billionaire already and he doesn’t really need them or the money but it would hurt the U.S. economy so much, to such an amazing extent that heads would spin and he would be giving the U.S. citizens a big old “what-for” for not picking him to be King of the U.S.A.!! A retaliation for his elimination so-to-say!! It’ll be great, just great, just absolutely grate!!!

  86. Torcer says:

    So you don’t find his lack of presidential bearing a disturbing reality?

  87. Torcer says:

    So you don’t find his lack of presidential bearing a disturbing reality?

  88. Dookiestain_LaFlair says:

    Compared to Democrats like Andrew Jackson shooting a guy, and FDR putting people in camps, Trump’s behavior seems downright cordial.

  89. Dookiestain_LaFlair says:

    Compared to Democrats like Andrew Jackson shooting a guy, and FDR putting people in camps, Trump’s behavior seems downright cordial.

  90. Mr. Freemarket says:

    Right….Mossad agents are able to convince unwitting Muslims to sacrifice their lives….so that……ah….America…the Great Satan….

    Seriously. Finish the story about the conspiracy.

  91. Mr. Freemarket says:

    Right….Mossad agents are able to convince unwitting Muslims to sacrifice their lives….so that……ah….America…the Great Satan….

    Seriously. Finish the story about the conspiracy.

  92. Dookiestain_LaFlair says:

    Read the whole thing at

    https://wikispooks.com/wiki/9-11/Israel_did_it

  93. Dookiestain_LaFlair says:

    Read the whole thing at

    https://wikispooks.com/wiki/9-11/Israel_did_it

  94. Alphamail says:

    Are you fucking kidding me? You are a nut job of the highest order.
    .
    And global warming (ha!) is caused by a Norse God breathing hot air on the arctic because he’s fuming over Israel’s high prices for vegetables sold to Scandinavia?
    .
    The only reason conspiracy theory whack jobs like you get away with this garbage is because the human mind has the imaginative power to create fables and present them in an authentic believable fashion – even when it’s utter bullshit. Also, it takes believers to justify your crap, and the new low-information, realty-starved, unscientific lame-brain, who forgot their meds, supplies you with a vastly ignorant but compliant audience.

  95. Alphamail says:

    Are you fucking kidding me? You are a nut job of the highest order.
    .
    And global warming (ha!) is caused by a Norse God breathing hot air on the arctic because he’s fuming over Israel’s high prices for vegetables sold to Scandinavia?
    .
    The only reason conspiracy theory whack jobs like you get away with this garbage is because the human mind has the imaginative power to create fables and present them in an authentic believable fashion – even when it’s utter bullshit. Also, it takes believers to justify your crap, and the new low-information, realty-starved, unscientific lame-brain, who forgot their meds, supplies you with a vastly ignorant but compliant audience.

  96. Alphamail says:

    I’m sorry, but it’s hard to be kind, or fair, or tolerant, in the face of such blatant ignorance and disconnectedness. We apprehended one of you about every couple of weeks when I was an LA cop, and we took you back to the institution you walked away from, where you could get back on your meds and get the help you need. I’m trying to be polite but you really need assistance.

  97. Alphamail says:

    I’m sorry, but it’s hard to be kind, or fair, or tolerant, in the face of such blatant ignorance and disconnectedness. We apprehended one of you about every couple of weeks when I was an LA cop, and we took you back to the institution you walked away from, where you could get back on your meds and get the help you need. I’m trying to be polite but you really need assistance.

  98. Alphamail says:

    So this is what you read and conjectured, not what you individually researched, reasoned, and concluded. A juvenile approach guarantees a juvenile answer.

  99. Alphamail says:

    So this is what you read and conjectured, not what you individually researched, reasoned, and concluded. A juvenile approach guarantees a juvenile answer.

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  101. Mr. Freemarket says:

    All right. Your article states that Zionist organizations obtained control of the towers/security etc., it enable the placement of explosives. Which takes me back to my earlier statement.

    Think about it. Where are those explosives going to be placed? You’ve got a plane coming in at 400 miles an hour. If the plane hits floor 84 and the explosives are placed around floor 64 or 94, when they are detonated the explosion won’t make the towers appear to collapse at the point of impact. And you can’t simply place explosives all up and down the height of the tower because that is not how the tower collapsed; it collapsed from the point of impact and above.

    I pointed out the fact that explosives and detonators absolutely are incompatible with a raging fire for an hour. You seemed to acknowledge that explosives didn’t play a role in bringing down the towers. And then you reference a site that states that explosives were involved. So which kind of explosives can withstand a fire for over an hour and then be sequentially detonated? How are you going to sequence all those detonators to go off precisely when you wish? Radio receivers? Cell phones? What is baking for an hour in a fire going to do to a cell phone or radio receiver?

    It matters not who may have had motive or opportunity if the mode of executing the attack simply isn’t feasible.

  102. Mr. Freemarket says:

    All right. Your article states that Zionist organizations obtained control of the towers/security etc., it enable the placement of explosives. Which takes me back to my earlier statement.

    Think about it. Where are those explosives going to be placed? You’ve got a plane coming in at 400 miles an hour. If the plane hits floor 84 and the explosives are placed around floor 64 or 94, when they are detonated the explosion won’t make the towers appear to collapse at the point of impact. And you can’t simply place explosives all up and down the height of the tower because that is not how the tower collapsed; it collapsed from the point of impact and above.

    I pointed out the fact that explosives and detonators absolutely are incompatible with a raging fire for an hour. You seemed to acknowledge that explosives didn’t play a role in bringing down the towers. And then you reference a site that states that explosives were involved. So which kind of explosives can withstand a fire for over an hour and then be sequentially detonated? How are you going to sequence all those detonators to go off precisely when you wish? Radio receivers? Cell phones? What is baking for an hour in a fire going to do to a cell phone or radio receiver?

    It matters not who may have had motive or opportunity if the mode of executing the attack simply isn’t feasible.

  103. TED says:

    ALWAYS a “NEW NAMER”! THE LEFT’S ENDORSEMENT HERE is enough to tell me all I need to know!!!!!

  104. TED says:

    ALWAYS a “NEW NAMER”! THE LEFT’S ENDORSEMENT HERE is enough to tell me all I need to know!!!!!

  105. TED says:

    Sounds VERY much like a PRO-TRUMP argument… http://i.imgur.com/pvyiv1x.jpg

  106. TED says:

    Sounds VERY much like a PRO-TRUMP argument… http://i.imgur.com/pvyiv1x.jpg

  107. Brother John says:

    When push comes to vote in my state on Super Tuesday, I’m probably going to pull the lever for Cruz, since the things most important to me aren’t on the political menu.

    Meanwhile, though, I’ll continue to support Trump publicly, because (a) he represents the best chance I have as an individual to roll a grenade under the tent and (b) he’s still the only guy to use the word “deport” without the word “can’t.”

  108. Brother John the Deplorable says:

    When push comes to vote in my state on Super Tuesday, I’m probably going to pull the lever for Cruz, since the things most important to me aren’t on the political menu.

    Meanwhile, though, I’ll continue to support Trump publicly, because (a) he represents the best chance I have as an individual to roll a grenade under the tent and (b) he’s still the only guy to use the word “deport” without the word “can’t.”

  109. ragman says:

    He owned by showing that he won’t cave even when everyone is aligned against him. He had the balls to call out the liars without fear of people calling him a meanie. All this , and he still tops the polls. I’d say this continues “owning”.

    We don’t need yet another nice candidate who doesn’t have the balls to stand up for what they claim to stand for and will apologize any time they accidentally speak an unpopular truth.

  110. ragman says:

    He owned by showing that he won’t cave even when everyone is aligned against him. He had the balls to call out the liars without fear of people calling him a meanie. All this , and he still tops the polls. I’d say this continues “owning”.

    We don’t need yet another nice candidate who doesn’t have the balls to stand up for what they claim to stand for and will apologize any time they accidentally speak an unpopular truth.

  111. TED says:

    Donald Trump praised his Slovenian wife Melania on CNN Thursday. Two of his wives were immigrants, proving that it’s true immigrants do the jobs that Americans refuse to do. His other wife, Marla Maples, is from Georgia, and he divorced her when he found out it wasn’t Soviet Georgia.

  112. TED says:

    Donald Trump praised his Slovenian wife Melania on CNN Thursday. Two of his wives were immigrants, proving that it’s true immigrants do the jobs that Americans refuse to do. His other wife, Marla Maples, is from Georgia, and he divorced her when he found out it wasn’t Soviet Georgia.

  113. TED says:

    New Hampshire primary night gave the GOP winner a feeling of what German psychologists call schadenfreude. It’s an often-used phrase. Schadenfreude is the sexist, cruel and politically incorrect joy that Donald Trump gets watching Megyn Kelly declare him the King of New Hampshire.

  114. TED says:

    New Hampshire primary night gave the GOP winner a feeling of what German psychologists call schadenfreude. It’s an often-used phrase. Schadenfreude is the sexist, cruel and politically incorrect joy that Donald Trump gets watching Megyn Kelly declare him the King of New Hampshire.

  115. TED says:

    Donald Trump’s campaign roared into South Carolina with the wind at his back following his win in New Hampshire. He’s vowing to use his business expertise to successfully transform the government. If Trump gets elected president he’s promised to build White Houses all over the country.

    Donald Trump didn’t comment on John Kasich’s TV ad, which quoted the German theologian Martin Niemoeller and then likened Trump to Hitler. How unfair. It’s the American way to give a man the benefit of the doubt and besides, Trump would like to keep the invasion of Mexico a surprise.

  116. TED says:

    Donald Trump’s campaign roared into South Carolina with the wind at his back following his win in New Hampshire. He’s vowing to use his business expertise to successfully transform the government. If Trump gets elected president he’s promised to build White Houses all over the country.

    Donald Trump didn’t comment on John Kasich’s TV ad, which quoted the German theologian Martin Niemoeller and then likened Trump to Hitler. How unfair. It’s the American way to give a man the benefit of the doubt and besides, Trump would like to keep the invasion of Mexico a surprise.

  117. TED says:

    Congratulations to Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump on winning their parties’ New Hampshire primaries last night! In his speech, Bernie said he couldn’t have done it without the support of millions of Americans. While Trump was like, “This was ALL me! You losers did nothing!”

  118. TED says:

    Congratulations to Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump on winning their parties’ New Hampshire primaries last night! In his speech, Bernie said he couldn’t have done it without the support of millions of Americans. While Trump was like, “This was ALL me! You losers did nothing!”

  119. […] of Spades offers an interesting perspective on Trump’s moonbat meltdown at the debate Saturday […]

  120. Ol' Uncle Lar says:

    Ben Franklin had it figured out a couple hundred years ago: “Three can keep a secret if two are dead”.

  121. Ol' Uncle Lar says:

    Ben Franklin had it figured out a couple hundred years ago: “Three can keep a secret if two are dead”.

  122. […] of Spades offers an interesting perspective on Trump’s moonbat meltdown at the debate Saturday […]

  123. Dookiestain_LaFlair says:

    Well then it is a fraud and I’ve been had. I never actually read more than the first few paragraphs and assumed it was a more coherent theory of the crime.

  124. Dookiestain_LaFlair says:

    Well then it is a fraud and I’ve been had. I never actually read more than the first few paragraphs and assumed it was a more coherent theory of the crime.

  125. Torcer says:

    Incredible, You had to go back that far to justify Trump’s behaviour?

    The proper comparison is with those he is competing against – and he does come out positive in that regard.

  126. Torcer says:

    Incredible, You had to go back that far to justify Trump’s behaviour?

    The proper comparison is with those he is competing against – and he does come out positive in that regard.

  127. Torcer says:

    No, he rudely interrupted others with baseless accusations, that is hardly ‘owning’.

    While that may seem appropriate to the prep school play ground it is hardly the case in a presidential debate.

    And while it may bolster his support amongst his supporters, it will trun others away.

    Question: Does a presidential candidate have to appeal to all the people or just a small segment of the electorate?

  128. Torcer says:

    No, he rudely interrupted others with baseless accusations, that is hardly ‘owning’.

    While that may seem appropriate to the prep school play ground it is hardly the case in a presidential debate.

    And while it may bolster his support amongst his supporters, it will trun others away.

    Question: Does a presidential candidate have to appeal to all the people or just a small segment of the electorate?

  129. Torcer says:

    Exactly. When you figure out the sheer numbers that would have been required to carry out such a plot and couple that with the passage of time..
    There is no way it could of stayed secret.

  130. Torcer says:

    Exactly. When you figure out the sheer numbers that would have been required to carry out such a plot and couple that with the passage of time..
    There is no way it could of stayed secret.

  131. 762x51 says:

    LOL, yeah, that’s it, I’m a sheep, said the Trump, Alinsky troll.

    Anyone who has read my posts over the years knows otherwise, you sniveling Progressive tool.

    Go fuck yourself.

  132. 762x51 says:

    LOL, yeah, that’s it, I’m a sheep, said the Trump, Alinsky troll.

    Anyone who has read my posts over the years knows otherwise, you sniveling Progressive tool.

    Go fuck yourself.

  133. Dookiestain_LaFlair says:

    Or for more contemporary comparisons, he is much more presidential than Chuck You Shcumer or Joe “big f’in deal” Biden

  134. Dookiestain_LaFlair says:

    Or for more contemporary comparisons, he is much more presidential than Chuck You Shcumer or Joe “big f’in deal” Biden

  135. 762x51 says:

    While I would very much like to see the GOPee establishment in full psychotic break mode, this isn’t the time to play fast and loose with a candidate. Trump is more likely to please them by giving them everything the left wants, which is what they have done, given his history of Progressive positions.

  136. 762x51 says:

    While I would very much like to see the GOPee establishment in full psychotic break mode, this isn’t the time to play fast and loose with a candidate. Trump is more likely to please them by giving them everything the left wants, which is what they have done, given his history of Progressive positions.

  137. Torcer says:

    Try citing those on the pro-liberty side of the aisle.

  138. Torcer says:

    Try citing those on the pro-liberty side of the aisle.

  139. 762x51 says:

    Darkside? That’s just racist.

  140. 762x51 says:

    Darkside? That’s just racist.

  141. 762x51 says:

    The reality is that if there were proof of such an attack by the government, people like me would go after those responsible, ourselves. It’s all just bullshit.

  142. 762x51 says:

    The reality is that if there were proof of such an attack by the government, people like me would go after those responsible, ourselves. It’s all just bullshit.

  143. Mr. Freemarket says:

    Bingo.

  144. Mr. Freemarket says:

    Bingo.

  145. ragman says:

    Answer: Who cares. He owned. He’s the only Republican candidate with balls. And if a candidate doesn’t have balls, none of their viewpoints matter anyway.

  146. ragman says:

    Answer: Who cares. He owned. He’s the only Republican candidate with balls. And if a candidate doesn’t have balls, none of their viewpoints matter anyway.

  147. Torcer says:

    #AnsTheQuestionPlease

    Question: Does a presidential candidate have to appeal to all the people or just a small segment of the electorate?

  148. Torcer says:

    #AnsTheQuestionPlease

    Question: Does a presidential candidate have to appeal to all the people or just a small segment of the electorate?

  149. I noticed before it looks like Trump is wearing eye shadow

  150. I noticed before it looks like Trump is wearing eye shadow

  151. ragman says:

    Who cares?

  152. ragman says:

    Who cares?

  153. Van Spyke says:

    That from the same alphamail who just the other day was whining and complaining about being castigated, ridiculed, and called names for expressing your views on certain subjects. Obviously it’s YOU that hasn’t been taking your meds.

  154. Van Spyke says:

    That from the same alphamail who just the other day was whining and complaining about being castigated, ridiculed, and called names for expressing your views on certain subjects. Obviously it’s YOU that hasn’t been taking your meds.

  155. Van Spyke says:

    Don’t give up so easy, Dookie. If the hypothesis is correct that Flight 93’s target was Building 7, it opens wide the question of whether it was a planned demolition or not that bought it down.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nyogTsrsgI

  156. Van Spyke says:

    Don’t give up so easy, Dookie. If the hypothesis is correct that Flight 93’s target was Building 7, it opens wide the question of whether it was a planned demolition or not that bought it down.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nyogTsrsgI

  157. Alphamail says:

    When Bush was in office these were the talking points of the Huffington Post, Code Pink, and MSNBC, so your affiliations obviously haven’t changed. It’s curious you use the moniker “Admiral” instead of “Allahu.”

  158. Alphamail says:

    When Bush was in office these were the talking points of the Huffington Post, Code Pink, and MSNBC, so your affiliations obviously haven’t changed. It’s curious you use the moniker “Admiral” instead of “Allahu.”

  159. Alphamail says:

    Sorry, but they only allow me one thumbs up.

  160. Alphamail says:

    Sorry, but they only allow me one thumbs up.

  161. Torcer says:

    The future of the nation depends on your acting like an adult and making the proper decision.

  162. Torcer says:

    The future of the nation depends on your acting like an adult and making the proper decision.

  163. Alphamail says:

    Nice brain fart Van! So you also believe the towers were taken down via controlled demolition by Bush’s inner circle of conspiring Jews or the Mossad who want to “mobilize” US public opinion against Israel and “fulfill” already planned wars?
    .
    Holy shit, does it get any more lunatic than that? Have you considered it might be the work of the Tooth Fairy or Bigfoot?
    .
    You wonder why many of the new younger generation have lost their way? It’s because they see and believe so many modern adults who have lost their mind!

  164. Alphamail says:

    Nice brain fart Van! So you also believe the towers were taken down via controlled demolition by Bush’s inner circle of conspiring Jews or the Mossad who want to “mobilize” US public opinion against Israel and “fulfill” already planned wars?
    .
    Holy shit, does it get any more lunatic than that? Have you considered it might be the work of the Tooth Fairy or Bigfoot?
    .
    You wonder why many of the new younger generation have lost their way? It’s because they see and believe so many modern adults who have lost their mind!

  165. Alphamail says:

    Do yourself a favor and read an early version of Popular Mechanics assessment of 9/11. A later 2011 book by them is available also.

    .

    http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a49/1227842/

  166. Alphamail says:

    Do yourself a favor and read an early version of Popular Mechanics assessment of 9/11. A later 2011 book by them is available also.

    .

    http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a49/1227842/

  167. Alphamail says:

    A disrupter to the point I believe he’s laying the groundwork to go back on his word and run as an independent…and kill our chances. Just conjecture…….

  168. Alphamail says:

    A disrupter to the point I believe he’s laying the groundwork to go back on his word and run as an independent…and kill our chances. Just conjecture…….

  169. Van Spyke says:

    Obviously the purpose of my comment was to point out the fact YOU are displaying the very behavior YOU were whining and crying about.
    Now to address your hallucination. I never said, nor would ever say, anything about Jews or Bush’s inner circle or the Mossad being involved in that type of conspiracy. YOU are attributing something someone else said to me. That ain’t good form, man!
    That said, you can go back to your crying towel … and if you behave yourself, your mommy will reward you with a lollipop.
    PS
    Do take your meds on time.

  170. Van Spyke says:

    Obviously the purpose of my comment was to point out the fact YOU are displaying the very behavior YOU were whining and crying about.
    Now to address your hallucination. I never said, nor would ever say, anything about Jews or Bush’s inner circle or the Mossad being involved in that type of conspiracy. YOU are attributing something someone else said to me. That ain’t good form, man!
    That said, you can go back to your crying towel … and if you behave yourself, your mommy will reward you with a lollipop.
    PS
    Do take your meds on time.

  171. Dookiestain_LaFlair says:

    I don’t think there were explosives planted in the building, I just think the Muslims that hijacked the planes had material support from Mossad

  172. Dookiestain_LaFlair says:

    I don’t think there were explosives planted in the building, I just think the Muslims that hijacked the planes had material support from Mossad

  173. […] was as inevitable as a hard turn to the left (which has already begun). Whenever Trump does not get exactly what he wants, he will claim the other side is in default, […]

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  176. Alphamail says:

    .
    There is a dfference between an opinion, a point-of-view, or political commentary – even if it may be wrong – and full-blown lunacy. I don’t call anyone names if I disagree wth them, I save that for when they go over the edge. For instance, if Dookiestain says the towers were controlled demolition he is outside the realm of reality and is crazy. If however he believes the Mossad may have played a part in 9/11 I vehemently disagree, but it is in the realm of possibility so it is within the realm of discussion. Don’t now attempt to preach to me about being the arbiter of reality and lunacy, if you don’t understand science and haven’t lived a long experienced life wherein you’ve gained the knowledge to know the difference.
    .
    Also, I attributed nothing to you and you did not state the purpose of your comment, so I prefaced my comment with a question, “So you also believe…..?”
    .
    The point is, when you challenge my refering to him as a nutjob over his 9/11 views, then chances are you DO agree with him.

  177. Alphamail says:

    .
    There is a dfference between an opinion, a point-of-view, or political commentary – even if it may be wrong – and full-blown lunacy. I don’t call anyone names if I disagree wth them, I save that for when they go over the edge. For instance, if Dookiestain says the towers were controlled demolition he is outside the realm of reality and is crazy. If however he believes the Mossad may have played a part in 9/11 I vehemently disagree, but it is in the realm of possibility so it is within the realm of discussion. Don’t now attempt to preach to me about being the arbiter of reality and lunacy, if you don’t understand science and haven’t lived a long experienced life wherein you’ve gained the knowledge to know the difference.
    .
    Also, I attributed nothing to you and you did not state the purpose of your comment, so I prefaced my comment with a question, “So you also believe…..?”
    .
    The point is, when you challenge my refering to him as a nutjob over his 9/11 views, then chances are you DO agree with him.

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  180. […] as the next Commander in Chief? Unlike Ted Cruz, he has no interest in rebuilding the military. His leftist rhetoric regarding the Iraq War makes a mockery of those who fought in it. It is doubtful that many take his […]

  181. […] far left rhetoric is not limited to blaming Bush 43 for 9/11 and denouncing the Iraq War (which incidentally he […]

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  184. […] our right of free speech is not already in force. Bush 43 could sue for a pretty penny over the Code Pink lies Trump regurgitated in the South Carolina debate, when he falsely alleged that W deliberately lied […]

  185. opit says:

    There was so much that was wrong about attacking the wrong nation over 9/11 it is difficult to see how nonsense over aluminum tubes used for refining fertilizer out of yellowcake – which had extensive deposits in Iraq, no need to send an emissary ( Joe Wilson ) to Nigeria to get more – morphed into WMD threat. America had the receipts for MWD anyway ! The sideshow of exposing the Brewster Jennings intelligence network via the identification of Valerie Plame / Wilson ( Scooter Jennings of Cheney’s office did time over that ) meant that the CIA desk evaluating nuclear threat in the middle east was blinded.
    It is odd you blame misinformation for thinking GW Bush was merely forwarding the PNAC agenda by lying. He didn’t even give Saddam a chance to surrender ! http://www.leadingtowar.com/

  186. opit says:

    There was so much that was wrong about attacking the wrong nation over 9/11 it is difficult to see how nonsense over aluminum tubes used for refining fertilizer out of yellowcake – which had extensive deposits in Iraq, no need to send an emissary ( Joe Wilson checked out that false trail ) to Nigeria to get more – morphed into WMD threat. America had the receipts for MWD anyway ! The sideshow of exposing the Brewster Jennings intelligence network via the identification of Valerie Plame / Wilson ( Scooter Libby of Cheney’s office did time over that http://www.examiner.com/article/travesty-the-truth-about-the-valerie-plame-affair meant that the CIA desk evaluating nuclear threat in the middle east was blinded.
    It is odd you blame misinformation for thinking GW Bush was merely forwarding the PNAC agenda by lying. He didn’t even give Saddam a chance to surrender ! http://www.leadingtowar.com/
    But in a way I agree. It was Addison in Cheney’s office who fabricated false intelligence to flog to the dogs of war.

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