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Sep 14 2015

Ben Carson Stumbles on Illegal Immigration, Ferguson

Meanwhile, as Trump promises to rid the country of illegal aliens within 2 years, Ben Carson wants to give them guest worker status, and defends his stance with the doubtful claim that enforcing immigration law would lead to $4 tomatoes because only foreigners from the Third World are willing to work on farms.

To the extent it is true that Americans are unwilling to work on farms despite the alarmingly low labor force participation rate, this is a matter to be resolved by reining in the welfare state, not by leaving the border open.

Countermoonbats will also have a hard time swallowing this:

Carson says he probably wouldn’t have used deadly force against Michael Brown, the teenager whose fatal shooting by police Officer Darren Wilson sparked a national debate on race and the role of police.

Carson gave an interview to the Post-Dispatch on Friday afternoon after visiting Ferguson. When asked if he would have shot Brown if he were in Wilson’s shoes, Carson said: “It’s hard to say. I probably, knowing who he was, I probably just would have arrested him.”

Uh, Ben…

A Justice Department investigation concluded that Wilson had reason to fear for his life and thus couldn’t be prosecuted for fatally shooting the unarmed 18-year-old.

Suggesting that Darren Wilson had any choice is playing along with the liberal narrative — that is, ignoring reality and thereby splashing gasoline on the fire.

Carson’s heart is in the right place. He would make a great Surgeon General. But he does not appear to be the guy to undo Obama’s damage as President.

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Think even bigger: reject liberalism altogether.

On a tip from Wiggins. Hat tip: The Right Scoop.



72 Responses to “Ben Carson Stumbles on Illegal Immigration, Ferguson”

  1. MAS says:

    I’m sure the Doc is a nice man, a brilliant neuro surgeon…common sense is not his forte though. This is the second time he has commented on law enforcement tactics with obviously zero ability to understand the reality of trying to make people do what they absolutely do not want to do…behave in a civilized manner.

    “I probably, knowing who he was, I probably just would have arrested him.”

    Really Doc what if he is trying to take your sidearm while beating you in your squad car? What if he really does not want to be arrested badly enough that he charges you even after being shot for it? You see LEOs live in “what if” land pretty much all the time and the people they deal with are often at their worst, very hostile, and irrational…your philosophy of what works from your easy chair is often what gets them and bystanders killed. Doc drop out and go into medical consulting, obviously the real world is not your strong suite.

  2. MAS says:

    I’m sure the Doc is a nice man, a brilliant neuro surgeon…common sense is not his forte though. This is the second time (I am aware of) he has commented on law enforcement tactics with obviously zero ability to understand the reality of trying to make people do what they absolutely do not want to do…behave in a civilized manner.

    “I probably, knowing who he was, I probably just would have arrested him.”

    Really Doc you’d just arrest him? What if he is trying to take your sidearm while beating you in your squad car? What if he really does not want to be arrested badly enough that he charges you even after being shot for it? What if he really wants to kill you in a bad way? You see LEOs live in “what if” land pretty much all the time and the people they deal with are often at their worst, very hostile, and irrational…your philosophy of what works from your easy chair is often what gets them and bystanders killed. Doc drop out and go into medical consulting, obviously the real world is not your strong suit.

  3. JeffersonSpinningInGrave says:

    Seemed like a politician answer. Hindsight at best. But, as you say, even hindsight doesn’t support Carson in this. Get high, commit strong-arm robbery in broad daylight, attack the responding officer and try to take his gun, and your are going to get shot. Anyone who can’t get their head around that is best removed from the gene pool.

  4. JeffersonSpinningInGrave says:

    Seemed like a politician answer. Hindsight at best. But, as you say, even hindsight doesn’t support Carson in this. Get high, commit strong-arm robbery in broad daylight, attack the responding officer and try to take his gun, and you are going to get shot. Anyone who can’t get their head around that is best removed from the gene pool (to clarify, I mean the thug who commits the crime, not someone commenting on it even if they are dead wrong).

  5. oldguy says:

    Too bad. It appears color is more than skin deep.

  6. JustMyOpinion says:

    Dr Carson seems like a nice guy but he sounds like a establishment shill in a sense with his not only wanting no deportation but seems to think” industries” shut down if we had no illegals… he also wishy washy on gun control. Nice guy but not what I want can’t see him negotiating anything.

  7. oldguy says:

    Too bad. It appears color is more than skin deep.

  8. JustMyOpinion✔️Verified says:

    Dr Carson seems like a nice guy but he sounds like a establishment shill in a sense with his not only wanting no deportation but seems to think” industries” shut down if we had no illegals… he also wishy washy on gun control. Nice guy but not what I want can’t see him negotiating anything.

  9. Pegon Zellschmidt says:

    Stay away from wonks like Jindal and Carson who believe that their uber-intelligence can ‘fix’ the EPA and the IRS and the bloated Education Dept. rather than exorcise them. Same for moderates lib Jeb who believe in their non-partisan gift from God.

  10. Pegon Zellschmidt says:

    Stay away from wonks like Jindal and Carson who believe that their uber-intelligence can ‘fix’ the EPA and the IRS and the bloated Education Dept. rather than exorcise them. Same for moderates lib Jeb who believe in their non-partisan gift from God.

  11. JeffersonSpinningInGrave says:

    Agree, but at least he’s right on Obamacare and general economic issues. Make him secretary of HHS. Obamacare has so many provisions in which it says something like “at the discretion of the Secretary.” He could undo all the shit that Sibelius did. Take O-care back down from 20K pages to 20 pages overnight, without any need for congressional action. And, since Obama has established that the President can do anything he wants regarding implementation of O-care, how about President Trump (rather it be president Cruz, but whatever) exempting all individuals and businesses from O-care? I mean, if Obama can exempt the unions without congressional approval, why not?

  12. JeffersonSpinningInGrave says:

    Agree, but at least he’s right on Obamacare and general economic issues. Make him secretary of HHS. Obamacare has so many provisions in which it says something like “at the discretion of the Secretary.” He could undo all the shit that Sibelius did. Take O-care back down from 20K pages to 20 pages overnight, without any need for congressional action. And, since Obama has established that the President can do anything he wants regarding implementation of O-care, how about President Trump (rather it be president Cruz, but whatever) exempting all individuals and businesses from O-care? I mean, if Obama can exempt the unions without congressional approval, why not?

  13. Son of the Rabbit People says:

    My parents love Carson. I like him but not in a “he must be president” kind of way. He’d be a fine cabinet appointee, nothing more.

  14. Son of the Rabbit People says:

    My parents love Carson. I like him but not in a “he must be president” kind of way. He’d be a fine cabinet appointee, nothing more.

  15. JeffersonSpinningInGrave says:

    “…because only foreigners from the Third World are willing to work on farms.”

    Not if you make welfare benefits temporary, as intended for a safety net rather than a form of payment in exchange for votes.

  16. JeffersonSpinningInGrave says:

    “…because only foreigners from the Third World are willing to work on farms.”

    Not if you make welfare benefits temporary, as intended for a safety net rather than a form of payment in exchange for votes.

    -oops, see that was explicitly expressed in the original article. Feel free to delete.

  17. MAS says:

    Surgeon General anyone?

  18. MAS says:

    Surgeon General anyone?

  19. Karin_A says:

    You’re right, obamacare is almost all “whatever the hell the sec of HHS feels like doing.” Could be a powerful tool in the right hands.

  20. Karin_A says:

    You’re right, obamacare is almost all “whatever the hell the sec of HHS feels like doing.” Could be a powerful tool in the right hands.

  21. MicahStone says:

    “Ben Carson: Give Illegals Six Months to Register as Guest Workers”

    Another glaringly STUPID AND NAIVE plan by Carson!! Evidently he doesn’t know that 70-90% of his proposed “GUEST WORKERS” ILLEGALS are already sucking-up massive amounts of taxpayer-funded welfare and NOT WORKING !!!!!!

    Biden: “…right now I don’t believe he (OBOZO) is (ready to be president). The presidency is not something that leads itself to on-the-job training”.
    —-so how did that work out?

    —Of course, Carson will be DIFFERENT, right? (Think VP for Ben!)

  22. MicahStone says:

    “Ben Carson: Give Illegals Six Months to Register as Guest Workers”

    Another glaringly STUPID AND NAIVE plan by Carson!! Evidently he doesn’t know that 70-90% of his proposed “GUEST WORKERS” ILLEGALS are already sucking-up massive amounts of taxpayer-funded welfare and NOT WORKING !!!!!!

    Biden: “…right now I don’t believe he (OBOZO) is (ready to be president). The presidency is not something that leads itself to on-the-job training”.
    —-so how did that work out?

    —Of course, Carson will be DIFFERENT, right? (Think VP for Ben!)

  23. Eddie_Valiant says:

    Maybe head of HHS? His mission would be to oversee the demolishing of that incredible sinkhole of money and a big part of the ever expanding Federal gubmint.

  24. Eddie_Valiant says:

    Maybe head of HHS? His mission would be to oversee the demolishing of that incredible sinkhole of money and a big part of the ever expanding Federal gubmint.

  25. Mike says:

    Ben wouldn’t have shot Brown because he’s a neurosurgeon, not a cop. If he were a cop, he’d be a dead cop, shot with his own service weapon when Brown wrestled it away from him.

    Carson is a good man. He’d make a great Surgeon General, IMHO. But he has no business at the top of the ticket. Merely claiming that he would be better than Obama is too low a bar at this point in our Republic.

  26. Mike says:

    Ben wouldn’t have shot Brown because he’s a neurosurgeon, not a cop. If he were a cop, he’d be a dead cop, shot with his own service weapon when Brown wrestled it away from him.

    Carson is a good man. He’d make a great Surgeon General, IMHO. But he has no business at the top of the ticket. Merely claiming that he would be better than Obama is too low a bar at this point in our Republic.

  27. THOUGHTCRIMINAL2084 says:

    Carson is a good man, devoid of experience in these new realities foisted upon us by not-so-good-men. Perhaps a cretin like Trump really is our best hope because he has been playing the games of the not-so-good-men for a very long time and knows the tricks implicit to win the game. If only that translates to the prepondering good of the nation and not simply his ego…

  28. THOUGHTCRIMINAL2084 says:

    Carson is a good man, devoid of experience in these new realities foisted upon us by not-so-good-men. Perhaps a cretin like Trump really is our best hope because he has been playing the games of the not-so-good-men for a very long time and knows the tricks implicit to win the game. If only that translates to the prepondering good of the nation and not simply his ego…

  29. Circa53 says:

    He’s a loon and has no business in any government position..

  30. Circa53 says:

    He’s a loon and has no business in any government position..

  31. Alphamail says:

    Doctor Ben is about to experience a drop in the ratings.
    .
    Having been in several similar-type Darren Wilson scenarios I can tell you what is necessary. First, the police officers’ job description does not call for them to retreat in the face of a threat, that’s why you always see them running toward emergency situations when other people are running away. Second, an officer’s first duty is to protect the public, and in this case shots were already fired and it appeared there might be more, so appropriate force changed when bullets went into the public arena.
    .
    Last, I don’t care if the suspect is black, green, or blue, if they are twice your size and are on drugs, and they wrestle you for your pistol and it discharges in the melee, then you have just observed the suspect’s ultimate motive. At this point if they failed to get your pistol the first time, it is essential they never get another try. If the suspect walks away momentarily, then turns back to confront you again, the only intelligent and safe response is to blow the sonofabitch away.
    .
    You would think all reasonable people would understand this but there are no people who are able to reason in the BLM group. In my world, even a brain surgeon could understand the situation…….oh, wait.
    .
    .
    .

  32. Alphamail says:

    Doctor Ben is about to experience a drop in the ratings.
    .
    Having been in several similar-type Darren Wilson scenarios I can tell you what is necessary. First, the police officers’ job description does not call for them to retreat in the face of a threat, that’s why you always see them running toward emergency situations when other people are running away. Second, an officer’s first duty is to protect the public, and in this case shots were already fired and it appeared there might be more, so appropriate force changed when bullets went into the public arena.
    .
    Last, I don’t care if the suspect is black, green, or blue, if they are twice your size and are on drugs, and they wrestle you for your pistol and it discharges in the melee, then you have just observed the suspect’s ultimate motive. At this point if they failed to get your pistol the first time, it is essential they never get another try. If the suspect walks away momentarily, then turns back to confront you again, the only intelligent and safe response is to blow the sonofabitch away.
    .
    You would think all reasonable people would understand this but there are no people who are able to reason in the BLM group. In my world, even a brain surgeon could understand the situation…….oh, wait.
    .
    .
    .

  33. ouch! says:

    Dr. Ben Carson would make a superb Surgeon General.
    Tweak his learning curve some and he might handle HHS well.

    But, President?

    No.

    No.

    No.

  34. ouch! says:

    Dr. Ben Carson would make a superb Surgeon General.
    Tweak his learning curve some and he might handle HHS well.

    But, President?

    No.

    No.

    No.

  35. Rotohammer says:

    We may be paying $4 for a tomato anyway, when you factor in the unseen costs of welfare for illegals.

  36. Rotohammer says:

    We may be paying $4 for a tomato anyway, when you factor in the unseen costs of welfare for illegals.

  37. AZ_Langer says:

    Oh, how many times I’ve read and heard the tomato excuse by people wishing to push the illegal alien agenda. It’s too bad Carson doesn’t realize the money we spend in the grocery store for that tomato is a mere fraction of the price we pay.

    Not even considering all the welfare programs to which illegal aliens frequently and quickly avail themselves, we’re taxed to provide them all the other public benefits which are too often taken for granted. They send their remittances back to their nations of origin, while citizen and legal resident taxpayers provide public education for their children, parks, libraries, highways, legal representation, prisons and and a multitude of other public services to people who shouldn’t be here. That tomato is already extremely expensive, but not everyone realizes the true cost.

  38. AZ_Langer says:

    Oh, how many times I’ve read and heard the tomato excuse by people wishing to push the illegal alien agenda. It’s too bad Carson doesn’t realize the money we spend in the grocery store for that tomato is a mere fraction of the price we pay.

    Not even considering all the welfare programs to which illegal aliens frequently and quickly avail themselves, we’re taxed to provide them all the other public benefits which are too often taken for granted. They send their remittances back to their nations of origin, while citizen and legal resident taxpayers provide public education for their children, parks, libraries, highways, legal representation, prisons and and a multitude of other public services to people who shouldn’t be here. That tomato is already extremely expensive, but not everyone realizes the true cost.

  39. Bad_Mr_Frosty says:

    Ben Carson is useless. He’s just a way for conservatives to signal that they’re not racist.

  40. Bad_Mr_Frosty says:

    Ben Carson is useless. He’s just a way for conservatives to signal that they’re not racist.

  41. artfuldgr says:

    he never saw an episode of dirty jobs

  42. Artfuldgr says:

    he never saw an episode of dirty jobs

  43. DJ says:

    Bingo. What you, plus what Circa53 said, sums up the situation.

  44. DJ says:

    Bingo. What you, plus what Circa53 said, sums up the situation.

  45. ramrodd says:

    The more that comes out about this guy the worse it gets..

    I read he spoke at a Sharpton event….

  46. ramrodd says:

    The more that comes out about this guy the worse it gets..

    I read he spoke at a Sharpton event….

  47. MAS says:

    Behind the badge 1979 to 2011…preaching to the choir.

  48. MAS says:

    Behind the badge 1979 to 2011…preaching to the choir.

  49. Front Toward Enemy says:

    No more blacks! Obama poisoned the well, and blacks just can’t get over it no matter how well they succeed in America. The most ungrateful group ever.

  50. Front Toward Enemy says:

    No more blacks! Obama poisoned the well, and blacks just can’t get over it no matter how well they succeed in America. The most ungrateful group ever.

  51. KHarn says:

    I was Air Force Security Police back in the ’70’s. An airman asked during training if we were going to learn judo; the instructor replied “Don’t let them get that close”.

  52. KHarn says:

    I was Air Force Security Police back in the ’70’s. An airman asked during training if we were going to learn judo; the instructor replied “Don’t let them get that close”.

  53. KHarn says:

    I wasn’t bigoted in 2008, but I could change my mind.

  54. KHarn says:

    I wasn’t bigoted in 2008, but I could change my mind.

  55. KHarn says:

    I remember when nigh school and college students picked fruit and vegetables at harvest time and were paid per basket. Many were able pay part of their tuition that way.
    I know from experience what a man is willing to work at when bills are coming due and the fridge is empty.

  56. KHarn says:

    I remember when nigh school and college students picked fruit and vegetables at harvest time and were paid per basket. Many were able pay part of their tuition that way.
    I know from experience what a man is willing to work at when bills are coming due and the fridge is empty.

  57. I like Ben Carson, but its obvious he doesn’t spend a lot of time at the grocers. Tomatoes are already over $3.00 a pound, and they taste like cardboard.

  58. I like Ben Carson, but its obvious he doesn’t spend a lot of time at the grocers. Tomatoes are already over $3.00 a pound, and they taste like cardboard.

  59. yeah, it’s obviously something to do with a man’s color. That Obama is a narcissistic sociopath probably has nothing to do with it.

    I know what you’re saying, Brother. Color is everything. I really hate people that wear white after Labor Day….

  60. yeah, it’s obviously something to do with a man’s color. That Obama is a narcissistic sociopath probably has nothing to do with it.

    I know what you’re saying, Brother. Color is everything. I really hate people that wear white after Labor Day….

  61. DJ says:

    You are a sick white liberal.

  62. DJ says:

    You are a sick white liberal.

  63. bobwhite says:

    Sound advice!

  64. Billy Two Knives says:

    Sound advice!

  65. bob e says:

    like i said .. he can threaten our enemies with frontal lobotomies …
    talk about a military leader .. eh ?? what a terrific candidate .. yea .. sure

    like who the hell do you people think your kidding blowin’ smoke up this guy ??
    me .. i do not want to have another 8 years under a black president for any reason
    at all .. say what you like .. under no circumstances. even if the guy had all
    the qualifications & was a saint .. i have had enough of blackness being shoved
    down my throat , from every part of society ..

  66. bob e says:

    like i said .. he can threaten our enemies with frontal lobotomies …
    talk about a military leader .. eh ?? what a terrific candidate .. yea .. sure

    like who the hell do you people think your kidding blowin’ smoke up this guy ??
    me .. i do not want to have another 8 years under a black president for any reason
    at all .. say what you like .. under no circumstances. even if the guy had all
    the qualifications & was a saint .. i have had enough of blackness being shoved
    down my throat , from every part of society ..

  67. AnalogMan says:

    A great Surgeon General. Right. Don’t you already have a magic negro Surgeon General? Don’t you people ever learn?

  68. AnalogMan says:

    A great Surgeon General. Right. Don’t you already have a magic negro Surgeon General? Don’t you people ever learn?

  69. Nina Sage says:

    Dr. Carson, is too nice a guy to be president.

  70. Nina Sage says:

    Dr. Carson, is too nice a guy to be president.


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