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Mar 17 2015

EPA Moves to Regulate How Long You Spend in the Shower

Can we call it totalitarianism yet?

The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) wants hotels to monitor how much time its guests spend in the shower.

The agency is spending $15,000 to create a wireless system that will track how much water a hotel guest uses to get them to “modify their behavior.”

Everything works less well in a world under the thumb of envirotyrants:

The EPA also has a WaterSense program that challenges hotels to track their water use and upgrade their restrooms with low-flow toilets and showerheads.

Also, the Beltway bureauweenies think your sheets and towels are too clean:

The program also encourages “linen and towel reuse programs” in guest rooms.

Is there any aspect of your life private enough to be left alone by the unelected, unaccountable, and politically ultra-radical EPA? There is not.

The EPA is concerned that the average shower, which lasts just eight minutes, uses 18 gallons of water, and has asked Americans to reduce their shower length by at least one minute.

You know how progressivism works. Eventually showers will be down to one minute, every other day, then every third day…

Contrary to liberal belief, water is not lost forever once it goes down the shower drain. The same water has been used over and over again since dinosaurs were using it.

Next they will force us to conserve oxygen by breathing less often. Grant requests for the development of special apparatuses to limit air intake are probably being written even now.

EPA-Psycho
Gina McCarthy invading your shower is scarier than Norman Bates.

On tips from Henry and Stormfax. Graphic compliments of Stormfax.




141 Responses to “EPA Moves to Regulate How Long You Spend in the Shower”

  1. THOUGHTCRIMINAL2084 says:

    Wait for the toilet paper “reuse” mandates. Is it shitty enough?

  2. THOUGHTCRIMINAL2084 says:

    Wait for the toilet paper “reuse” mandates. Is it shitty enough?

  3. squareWave says:

    Wasn’t Sheryl Crow one of those loons yammering on about using only a single square? Yikes.

  4. Henry says:

    I have no problem encouraging people to conserve water… monitoring will lead to regulating will lead to rationing will lead to dictating.

    Control water, control people.

  5. squareWave says:

    Wasn’t Sheryl Crow one of those loons yammering on about using only a single square? Yikes.

  6. Henry says:

    I have no problem encouraging people to conserve water… monitoring will lead to regulating will lead to rationing will lead to dictating.

    Control water, control people.

  7. Benji0804 says:

    How about a warm shower is that to much to ask?

  8. HENCHMAN 0804 says:

    How about a warm shower is that to much to ask?

  9. Karin_A says:

    I’ve always found it hilarious that they think water disappears once used. #Science!

  10. Karin_A says:

    I’ve always found it hilarious that they think water disappears once used. #Science!

  11. Mr. Mentalo says:

    I DO have a problem with “encouraging” people. First it’s a “nudge”, then it’s a SHOVE. No, screw this. The “conservation” movement was co-opted a long time ago by the hard left.

    How many people do you know that really waste water? That take two hour showers, that hose down their sidewalk, driveway, roof? That run their sprinklers for an hour three times a day, with water running down the street? Yeah, me either.

    I’ve had about enough of government intruding into every corner of my life. I’m monitored and video’d and recorded and electronically tracked…ENOUGH! Our “overlords” don’t know how close to the edge they’ve pushed Americans. There are still a few non-millennials left who don’t want to be “nannied” to the grave.

    The push-back won’t be pretty.

  12. Mr. Mentalo says:

    I DO have a problem with “encouraging” people. First it’s a “nudge”, then it’s a SHOVE. No, screw this. The “conservation” movement was co-opted a long time ago by the hard left.

    How many people do you know that really waste water? That take two hour showers, that hose down their sidewalk, driveway, roof? That run their sprinklers for an hour three times a day, with water running down the street? Yeah, me either.

    I’ve had about enough of government intruding into every corner of my life. I’m monitored and video’d and recorded and electronically tracked…ENOUGH! Our “overlords” don’t know how close to the edge they’ve pushed Americans. There are still a few non-millennials left who don’t want to be “nannied” to the grave.

    The push-back won’t be pretty.

  13. Mr. Mentalo says:

    If it didn’t, there would be no need to “save the planet”.

  14. Mr. Mentalo says:

    No…as long as it’s not with Gina McCarthy.

  15. Mr. Mentalo says:

    If it didn’t, there would be no need to “save the planet”.

  16. Mr. Mentalo says:

    No…as long as it’s not with Gina McCarthy.

  17. MAS says:

    You sure don’t want to be trapped in an enclosed place with a one square user…

  18. MAS says:

    You sure don’t want to be trapped in an enclosed place with a one square user…

  19. guest32 says:

    Any time I hear one of these stories it makes me want to dump oil down the storm drain or throw my trash on the roadside.

  20. guest32 says:

    Any time I hear one of these stories it makes me want to dump oil down the storm drain or throw my trash on the roadside.

  21. Bill T says:

    Lawmaker calls for a rebellion against EPA pollution emissions for backyard barbecues
    http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2015/03/17/lawmaker-calls-for-rebellion-against-epa-pollution-emissions-for-backyard/#

  22. Bill T says:

    Lawmaker calls for a rebellion against EPA pollution emissions for backyard barbecues
    http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2015/03/17/lawmaker-calls-for-rebellion-against-epa-pollution-emissions-for-backyard/#

  23. Smith and Wesson and Me says:

    Correctomundo. Also the Marxist notion that the “pie” is limited and wealth cannot be created but is static.

  24. Smith and Wesson and Me says:

    Correctomundo. Also the Marxist notion that the “pie” is limited and wealth cannot be created but is static.

  25. Smith and Wesson and Me says:

    They only want you to share the shower with Lena Dunham. Is that too much to ask?

    http://cdn.hitfix.com/photos/5917404/Adams-revolting-shower-moment.jpg

  26. Smith and Wesson and Me says:

    They only want you to share the shower with Lena Dunham. Is that too much to ask?

    http://cdn.hitfix.com/photos/5917404/Adams-revolting-shower-moment.jpg

  27. rambler says:

    Yup, that sounds like a job for gov morons! They can’t do the job they currently have so they look for ways to take their thug show into new territory.

  28. rambler says:

    Yup, that sounds like a job for gov morons! They can’t do the job they currently have so they look for ways to take their thug show into new territory.

  29. MannieP says:

    Shit Hands Sheryl.

  30. BadBruceLorraine says:

    Gee thanks, I was having a good morning until you put that picture into mind.
    Very big sigh 😉

  31. BadBruceLorraine says:

    Gee thanks, I was having a good morning until you put that picture into mind.
    Very big sigh 😉

  32. The Auburn Tomahawk says:

    I love how these policies are all geared toward male habits. Seven minutes doesn’t allow time to shampoo and condition properly and shave your legs.

    Then again, feminism is all about pretending women are just weak men with boobs, so I am not surprised.

  33. Auburn Rapunzel says:

    I love how these policies are all geared toward male habits. Seven minutes doesn’t allow time to shampoo and condition properly and shave your legs.

    Then again, feminism is all about pretending women are just weak men with boobs, so I am not surprised.

  34. dr. theo says:

    I learned how to conserve TP in the Army years ago:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JofDuTmFpL8

  35. dr. theo says:

    I learned how to conserve TP in the Army years ago:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JofDuTmFpL8

  36. Mr. Freemarket says:

    Like everything the EPA does, they want to turn the hotel into the enforcer of it’s edicts, rather than approach guests directly (as if they could).

    Personally I love the idea of decreasing the frequency of laundering hotel linens. I understand that some of the bedspreads will go years without laundering. Bed bugs, viruses, a wide assortment of bodily fluids….and I am paying them to stay there?

  37. Mr. Freemarket says:

    Like everything the EPA does, they want to turn the hotel into the enforcer of it’s edicts, rather than approach guests directly (as if they could).

    Personally I love the idea of decreasing the frequency of laundering hotel linens. I understand that some of the bedspreads will go years without laundering. Bed bugs, viruses, a wide assortment of bodily fluids….and I am paying them to stay there?

  38. Mr. Freemarket says:

    I suspect that the typical woman will shave while taking a bath. Putting 30 gallons of hot water in a vessel and then sitting in it seems to appeal to them.

    The EPA could produce the same effect by putting a pump on water running down the drain and recyling it back through the shower head.

    Yuck.

  39. Mr. Freemarket says:

    Sheryl was willing to allow a full three sheets.

  40. Mr. Freemarket says:

    I suspect that the typical woman will shave while taking a bath. Putting 30 gallons of hot water in a vessel and then sitting in it seems to appeal to them.

    The EPA could produce the same effect by putting a pump on water running down the drain and recyling it back through the shower head.

    Yuck.

  41. Mr. Freemarket says:

    Sheryl was willing to allow a full three sheets.

  42. F.D.R. in Hell says:

    Remember the old joke…

    Two hunters are deep in the pinelands when one says, “I’ve got to poop bad. Have you got any toilet paper?”

    The other hunter says, “No, but you could always use a dollar.”

    The guy takes off out of sight.

    When he comes back, his hands are covered with poop.

    The one hunter says, “I told you to use a dollar to wipe with!”

    The other guy replies, “I only had two quarters and a dime.”

  43. F.D.R. in Hell says:

    Remember the old joke…

    Two hunters are deep in the pinelands when one says, “I’ve got to poop bad. Have you got any toilet paper?”

    The other hunter says, “No, but you could always use a dollar.”

    The guy takes off out of sight.

    When he comes back, his hands are covered with poop.

    The one hunter says, “I told you to use a dollar to wipe with!”

    The other guy replies, “I only had two quarters and a dime.”

  44. JeffersonSpinningInGrave says:

    My friend had the best line on this I thought:

    “Yeah? Well tell Sheryl to try scraping peanut butter off shag carpet,and have her get back to me on the one square thing.”

  45. JeffersonSpinningInGrave says:

    My friend had the best line on this I thought:

    “Yeah? Well tell Sheryl to try scraping peanut butter off shag carpet,and have her get back to me on the one square thing.”

  46. The Auburn Tomahawk says:

    I may be an atypical woman, since tubbin’ it doesn’t appeal to me. Still, limiting shower usage to 18 gallons or less would imply limiting bathtub usage in the same way, so I’m not so sure.

  47. Auburn Rapunzel says:

    I may be an atypical woman, since tubbin’ it doesn’t appeal to me. Still, limiting shower usage to 18 gallons or less would imply limiting bathtub usage in the same way, so I’m not so sure that women get a special exception. (At least, that’s what I’m inferring from your statement. Am I mistaken?)

  48. F.D.R. in Hell says:

    When I ran out of TP, I wiped with Fala …and then told Eleanor he just had an “accident.”

  49. F.D.R. in Hell says:

    When I ran out of TP, I wiped with Fala …and then told Eleanor he just had an “accident.”

  50. F.D.R. in Hell says:

    Take a UV light with you the next time you rent a hotel room.
    You’ll be amazed to see everything’s covered with bodily fluids.
    E.V.E.R.Y.T.H.I.N.G.

  51. F.D.R. in Hell says:

    Take a UV light with you the next time you rent a hotel room.
    You’ll be amazed to see everything’s covered with bodily fluids.
    E.V.E.R.Y.T.H.I.N.G.

  52. The Auburn Tomahawk says:

    What makes me giggle is that the reason for so many of the water-usage practices now deemed “wasteful” is the local health code.

    But we have always been at war with Eastasia.

  53. Auburn Rapunzel says:

    What makes me giggle is that the reason for so many of the water-usage practices now deemed “wasteful” is the local health code.

    But we have always been at war with Eastasia.

  54. MicahStone says:

    We’re the government….PERIOD!

  55. MicahStone says:

    We’re the government….PERIOD!

  56. Mr. Mentalo says:

    Can you believe we’re having this conversation? The world is on fire, Israel may fall to the leftists (and hence, the Moslems), racial tensions are just about ready to explode in America…and the EPA has us scrambling to preserve OUR SHOWER TIME.

  57. Mr. Mentalo says:

    Can you believe we’re having this conversation? The world is on fire, Israel may fall to the leftists (and hence, the Moslems), racial tensions are just about ready to explode in America…and the EPA has us scrambling to preserve OUR SHOWER TIME.

  58. Mr. Mentalo says:

    I just got an email from Babs. She says she wishes you’d stop telling that joke.

  59. Mr. Mentalo says:

    I just got an email from Babs. She says she wishes you’d stop telling that joke.

  60. F.D.R. in Hell says:

    OK, I get the message.
    But I must say, it’s Uncle TR’s joke. He told it to me the day before he died in 1919. I guess I’ll replace it with his joke about “The Sagamore Whore.”

  61. F.D.R. in Hell says:

    OK, I get the message.
    But I must say, it’s Uncle TR’s joke. He told it to me the day before he died in 1919. I guess I’ll replace it with his joke about “The Sagamore Whore.”

  62. The Auburn Tomahawk says:

    Unfortunately true, but that’s how they operate. They sneak in all kinds of piddly things because we’re too busy looking at the big items, or because we feel stupid getting annoyed over the piddly ones when so much more is at stake.

    And then we wind up having toilets that don’t flush properly and Chinese light bulbs full of mercury.

  63. Auburn Rapunzel says:

    Unfortunately true, but that’s how they operate. They sneak in all kinds of piddly things because we’re too busy looking at the big items, or because we feel stupid getting annoyed over the piddly ones when so much more is at stake.

    And then we wind up having toilets that don’t flush properly and Chinese light bulbs full of mercury.

  64. TotallyPeeved says:

    When do we start eliminating these commie, traitorous rat bastards?

  65. TotallyPeeved says:

    When do we start eliminating these commie, traitorous rat bastards?

  66. ScienceABC123 says:

    No long showers in hotel rooms? Fine! I’ll take a nice hot bath.

    FYI: Baths take about 3 times the water of a shower.

  67. ScienceABC123 says:

    No long showers in hotel rooms? Fine! I’ll take a nice hot bath.

    FYI: Baths take about 3 times the water of a shower.

  68. Bully says:

    Is it a man or is it a woman? Maybe Obama knows.

  69. Bully says:

    Is it a man or is it a woman? Maybe Obama knows.

  70. MAS says:

    Groan…no wonder you are in hell. 😉

  71. MAS says:

    Groan…no wonder you are in hell. 😉

  72. Jesse4 says:

    Can freedom survive motels monitoring their water use?
    Not if you listen to the hysterical moonbats down below.

  73. Jesse4 says:

    Can freedom survive motels monitoring their water use?
    Not if you listen to the hysterical moonbats down below.

  74. MAS says:

    “Is that too much to ask?”

    Heck yes it is…the little buddy would be done for life from the trauma of a severe turtle.

  75. MAS says:

    “Is that too much to ask?”

    Heck yes it is…the little buddy would be done for life from the trauma of a severe turtle.

  76. MAS says:

    I’ve served many a search warrant on motel rooms. Nasty nasty nasty stuff has been located between mattresses (think moldy and stiff panties) and under beds. I’d bring my own sleeping bag if motels were a regular stay.

  77. MAS says:

    I’ve served many a search warrant on motel rooms. Nasty nasty nasty stuff has been located between mattresses (think moldy and stiff panties) and under beds. I’d bring my own sleeping bag if motels were a regular stay.

  78. Jester says:

    What’s with progressives and their obsession with toilet paper? Sheesh.

  79. Jester says:

    What’s with progressives and their obsession with toilet paper? Sheesh.

  80. bigpete says:

    The EPA is concerned that the average shower, which lasts just eight minutes, uses 18 gallons of water, and has asked Americans to reduce their shower length by at least one minute.

    Why should they give a rat’s ass about how long I spend in the shower? If I can afford it I’ll spend just as long as I please. BTW, EPA, I flush the toilet like 8 times when I go. I don’t have to, just want to. If you like I’ll send you pictures so you can monitor.

  81. bigpete says:

    The EPA is concerned that the average shower, which lasts just eight minutes, uses 18 gallons of water, and has asked Americans to reduce their shower length by at least one minute.

    Why should they give a rat’s ass about how long I spend in the shower? If I can afford it I’ll spend just as long as I please. BTW, EPA, I flush the toilet like 8 times when I go. I don’t have to, just want to. If you like I’ll send you pictures so you can monitor.

  82. F.D.R. in Hell says:

    But you had to use BOTH SIDES.

  83. F.D.R. in Hell says:

    But you had to use BOTH SIDES.

  84. whychooseaside says:

    Well people, you going to need to skip the soap.

  85. whychooseaside says:

    Well people, you going to need to skip the soap.

  86. 762x51 says:

    If I shower with a friend, can I take 16 minutes? Not saying that has happened, as far as you know.

  87. 762x51 says:

    If I shower with a friend, can I take 16 minutes? Not saying that has happened, as far as you know.

  88. 762x51 says:

    GAG!

  89. 762x51 says:

    GAG!

  90. 762x51 says:

    They’re a bunch of asswipes, get it?

  91. Bob says:

    The future will be like the movie “13th Warrior” with Antonio Banderas. The scene in the movie where all the warriors awake from a long night of drinking and wash their faces in the same water bowel. Snot rockets and all!

  92. SineWaveII says:

    Will this be enforced at the four star resorts that the obamas and the clintons visit?

  93. 762x51 says:

    They’re a bunch of asswipes, get it?

  94. Bob says:

    The future will be like the movie “13th Warrior” with Antonio Banderas. The scene in the movie where all the warriors awake from a long night of drinking and wash their faces in the same water bowel. Snot rockets and all!

  95. SineWaveII says:

    Will this be enforced at the four star resorts that the obamas and the clintons visit?

  96. 762x51 says:

    She’s welcome to come wipe my ass with three sheets any time she wants. It’s the least I can do for her, but I’m working on doing less.

  97. 762x51 says:

    She’s welcome to come wipe my ass with three sheets any time she wants. It’s the least I can do for her, but I’m working on doing less.

  98. Nifty says:

    Low-flow toilets are a potential health risk- without enough force, the contents may not enter the sewerage system with enough pressure to ensure flow. Plus, if you have to flush twice because of the lousy first flush, it saves no water at all. Perhaps even increases water usage.

  99. Lord Nifty says:

    Low-flow toilets are a potential health risk- without enough force, the contents may not enter the sewerage system with enough pressure to ensure flow. Plus, if you have to flush twice because of the lousy first flush, it saves no water at all. Perhaps even increases water usage.

  100. Momster says:

    Do I hear a BINGO in the hall? My feelings exactly. Sometimes it takes 2 flushes just to get a piece of toilet paper down after only peeing! And thiink of the urine that stays in the bowl. The uric acid crystalizes on the bowl, necessitating the use of caustic chemicals to remove the yellow build-up that regular cleaners can’t handle.

    Yet another in a long line of libturd unintended consequences.

    You could take them by the scruff of neck and give them a “swirly”so they could see the results of their idocy up close and they still wouldn’t change their minds.

  101. Momster says:

    Do I hear a BINGO in the hall? My feelings exactly. Sometimes it takes 2 flushes just to get a piece of toilet paper down after only peeing! And thiink of the urine that stays in the bowl. The uric acid crystalizes on the bowl, necessitating the use of caustic chemicals to remove the yellow build-up that regular cleaners can’t handle.

    Yet another in a long line of libturd unintended consequences.

    You could take them by the scruff of neck and give them a “swirly”so they could see the results of their idocy up close and they still wouldn’t change their minds.

  102. Momster says:

    Have you noticed that the majority of libtard concerns have to do with what’s going on between the belly button and the thighs?

    E.g.: Birth Control legalization
    Free birth control for all
    Abortion
    LGBTQ, etc.
    Gay marriage
    Falsified “rape culture” charges
    Using only 1 square of toilet paper
    How much water you use to flush your poopy away
    Cow farts
    Screwing the taxpayer

    If you took these topics away from libtards they would be mercifully silent as they would have nothing to talk about.

  103. Momster says:

    Have you noticed that the majority of libtard concerns have to do with what’s going on between the belly button and the thighs?

    E.g.: Birth Control legalization
    Free birth control for all
    Abortion
    LGBTQ, etc.
    Gay marriage
    Falsified “rape culture” charges
    Using only 1 square of toilet paper
    How much water you use to flush your poopy away
    Cow farts
    Screwing the taxpayer

    If you took these topics away from libtards they would be mercifully silent as they would have nothing to talk about.

  104. Momster says:

    Isn’t there a government agency formed to send trained sniffers into all homes to check and make sure that both sides are used?

  105. Momster says:

    Isn’t there a government agency formed to send trained sniffers into all homes to check and make sure that both sides are used?

  106. bobdog19006 says:

    It’s time the EPA started paying attention to serious matters.

    Do you have any idea how much toilet paper we waste every day in this country? If you use more than one square at a time, you’re part of the problem, and it will take a major effort by the EPA to change our culture.

    Because non-renewable earth carbon-dioxide poison global warming toxic sustainable regulation planet children future generations safety….

    Sorry. Got carried away there for a second….

  107. bobdog19006 says:

    It’s time the EPA started paying attention to serious matters.

    Do you have any idea how much toilet paper we waste every day in this country? If you use more than one square at a time, you’re part of the problem, and it will take a major effort by the EPA to change our culture. Thank goodness for the EPA. Or something.

    Because non-renewable earth carbon-dioxide poison global warming toxic sustainable regulation planet children future generations safety….

    Sorry. Got carried away there for a second….

  108. […] EPA Moves to Regulate How Long You Spend in the Shower […]

  109. Jodie says:

    Riiiggghhht!! Make us limit our showers to 15 gallons of water. Meanwhile:

    “There are now approximately 16,000 courses in the United States — about half the total in all the world — and if you laid them out together, they would be as large as Delaware. And that Delaware of golf courses uses water, lots of it. They call them “greens” for a reason, don’t they?

    Audubon International estimates that the average American course uses 312,000 gallons per day. In a place like Palm Springs, where 57 golf courses challenge the desert, each course eats up a million gallons a day. That is, each course each day in Palm Springs consumes as much water as an American family of four uses in
    four years.”

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=91363837

  110. Jodie says:

    Riiiggghhht!! Make us limit our showers to 15 gallons of water. Meanwhile:

    “There are now approximately 16,000 courses in the United States — about half the total in all the world — and if you laid them out together, they would be as large as Delaware. And that Delaware of golf courses uses water, lots of it. They call them “greens” for a reason, don’t they?

    Audubon International estimates that the average American course uses 312,000 gallons per day. In a place like Palm Springs, where 57 golf courses challenge the desert, each course eats up a million gallons a day. That is, each course each day in Palm Springs consumes as much water as an American family of four uses in
    four years.”

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=91363837

  111. 762x51 says:

    Soon, very soon.

  112. 762x51 says:

    Soon, very soon.

  113. Mark Daniel Johansen says:

    Funny how liberals are always saying that conservatives are trying to take away your freedom, impose their morality, maybe even establish a theocracy. Let’s consider: What would be illegal if conservatives got their way that would be legal under liberals? I suppose marrying someone of the same sex, and getting an abortion. Now, what would be illegal under a liberal government that conservatives would make legal? Let’s see, just considering the laws they’ve actually passed, there’s using a showerhead that has too many holes in it, owning a gun, driving an SUV, buying insurance that doesn’t cover everything that the bureaucrats think it should cover, using incandescent light bulbs, failing to bake cakes for gay weddings, deciding for yourself what adequate pay and benefits for a job are, using a water heater with a visible flame, failing to use ethanol in your car, using quantities of painkillers when you’re in pain that exceed what some bureaucrat who is not in pain thinks should be enough, … and that’s just the first few off the top of my head.

  114. Mark Daniel Johansen says:

    Funny how liberals are always saying that conservatives are trying to take away your freedom, impose their morality, maybe even establish a theocracy. Let’s consider: What would be illegal if conservatives got their way that would be legal under liberals? I suppose marrying someone of the same sex, and getting an abortion. Now, what would be illegal under a liberal government that conservatives would make legal? Let’s see, just considering the laws they’ve actually passed, there’s using a showerhead that has too many holes in it, owning a gun, driving an SUV, buying insurance that doesn’t cover everything that the bureaucrats think it should cover, using incandescent light bulbs, failing to bake cakes for gay weddings, deciding for yourself what adequate pay and benefits for a job are, using a water heater with a visible flame, failing to use ethanol in your car, using quantities of painkillers when you’re in pain that exceed what some bureaucrat who is not in pain thinks should be enough, … and that’s just the first few off the top of my head.

  115. Mr. Freemarket says:

    True enough. Paying a lot for a room doesn’t guarantee a clean room….but it increases your odds.

  116. Mr. Freemarket says:

    True enough. Paying a lot for a room doesn’t guarantee a clean room….but it increases your odds.

  117. […] are even going after showers. How long do you think they will allow you to enjoy a backyard […]

  118. Doc_Rock says:

    It’s funny how “asking Americans” to do something becomes tyranny for some….you are free to ignore their request. They have created no rules or laws. Conserving water is a good idea…especially in Cali where they are having record water shortages.

  119. Doc_Rock says:

    It’s funny how “asking Americans” to do something becomes tyranny for some….you are free to ignore their request. They have created no rules or laws. Conserving water is a good idea…especially in Cali where they are having record water shortages.

  120. greetingsfromyonkers says:

    I feel you, but aren’t there more pressing issues at hand? Our economy sucks, we are in a state of moral decay, schoolchildren can’t add 2 and 2 and get 4. I am tired of meaningless bureaucracies trying to micromanage personal behavior.

  121. greetingsfromyonkers says:

    I feel you, but aren’t there more pressing issues at hand? Our economy sucks, we are in a state of moral decay, schoolchildren can’t add 2 and 2 and get 4. I am tired of meaningless bureaucracies trying to micromanage personal behavior.

  122. greetingsfromyonkers says:

    Trying baking soda to scrub the toilet bowl. Eco-friendly, cheap, and effective.

  123. greetingsfromyonkers says:

    Trying baking soda to scrub the toilet bowl. Eco-friendly, cheap, and effective.

  124. simplynotred says:

    Doc Sucks

    Its funny how “telling People” from the position of authority to do something becomes tryanny for some, and fun or others. Like Stalin had fun, when he starved the people of the Ukraine.

    The story goes: Joseph Stalin, leader of the Soviet Union, set in motion events designed to cause a famine in the Ukraine to destroy the people there seeking independence from his rule. As a result, an estimated 7,000,000 persons perished in this farming area, known as the breadbasket of Europe, with the people deprived of the food they had grown with their own hands.

    Now am I saying that the EPA is STALIN. NO just similar to Stalin in that he used tryanny on a people, that was absolutely NOT NECESSARY. Like the EPA and watching how long people take showers. Rather Tyrannical. But then some People like Doc are the sadistic type, kind of like Stalin. But who am I to judge?

  125. Simplynotred says:

    Doc Sucks

    Its funny how “telling People” from the position of authority to do something becomes tryanny for some, and fun or others. Like Stalin had fun, when he starved the people of the Ukraine.

    The story goes: Joseph Stalin, leader of the Soviet Union, set in motion events designed to cause a famine in the Ukraine to destroy the people there seeking independence from his rule. As a result, an estimated 7,000,000 persons perished in this farming area, known as the breadbasket of Europe, with the people deprived of the food they had grown with their own hands.

    Now am I saying that the EPA is STALIN. NO just similar to Stalin in that he used tryanny on a people, that was absolutely NOT NECESSARY. Like the EPA and watching how long people take showers. Rather Tyrannical. But then some People like Doc are the sadistic type, kind of like Stalin. But who am I to judge?

  126. The Auburn Tomahawk says:

    On the other hand, “asking children” to recite the Pledge of Allegiance or observe a moment of silence is tantamount to forcible baptism, I’m told.

    It’s one or the other. Either a government-initiated “request” is coercive, or it isn’t.

  127. Auburn Rapunzel says:

    On the other hand, “asking children” to recite the Pledge of Allegiance or observe a moment of silence is tantamount to forcible baptism, I’m told.

    It’s one or the other. Either a government-initiated “request” is coercive, or it isn’t.

  128. Doc_Rock says:

    Maybe for mindless sheep like you, that may be true, but not for the rest of us. You wouldnt know tyranny if it slapped you in the face.

  129. Doc_Rock says:

    It clearly isnt in this case.

  130. Doc_Rock says:

    Maybe for mindless sheep like you, that may be true, but not for the rest of us. You wouldnt know tyranny if it slapped you in the face.

  131. Doc_Rock says:

    It clearly isnt in this case.

  132. simplynotred says:

    The beginning of tyranny is thoughtless groups of people who believe the State Must always be Right.

    “Collectivism often sounds humane because it stresses the importance of human needs. In reality, it is little more than a rationalization for sacrificing you and me to the desires of others.” — Jarret B. Wollstein in The Causes of Aggression

    “Don’t forget that pure democracy is a form of collectivism — it readily sacrifices individual rights to majority wishes. Since it involves no constitutional bill of rights, or at least, no working and effective one, the majority-of-the-moment can and does vote away the rights of the minority-of-the-moment, even of a single individual. This has been called ‘mob rule,’ the ‘tyranny of the majority’ and many other pejorative names. It is one of the greatest threats to liberty, the reason why America’s founding fathers wrote so much so disparagingly of pure democracy.” — Bert Rand

    “A social system is a code of laws which men observe in order to live together. Such a code must have a basic principle, a starting point, or it cannot be devised. The starting point is the question: Is the power of society limited or unlimited?

    “Individualism answers: The power of society is limited by the inalienable, individual rights of man. Society may make only such laws as do not violate these rights.

    “Collectivism answers: The power of society is unlimited. Society may make any laws it wishes, and force them upon anyone in any manner it wishes.” — Ayn Rand, Textbook of Americanism.

    “STATISM is that particular form of collectivism in which individuals are forced to be subservient to government (as distinguished, if possible, from a religious or cult leader, roving invader or local gangster). Anyone in government who wants to extend his power, or anyone else (who has political influence) with agendas to advance, monopolies to secure, axes to grind or revenge to take — can make claims that certain governmental actions would be in the national, state, society or even family interest and must ‘therefore’ take precedence over any individual interests whatsoever. With this ‘justification’ the people in government can proceed to enforce such claims, often enthusiastically, sometimes brutally, but always with impunity.” — Rick Gaber

  133. Simplynotred says:

    The beginning of tyranny is thoughtless groups of people who believe the State Must always be Right.

    “Collectivism often sounds humane because it stresses the importance of human needs. In reality, it is little more than a rationalization for sacrificing you and me to the desires of others.” — Jarret B. Wollstein in The Causes of Aggression

    “Don’t forget that pure democracy is a form of collectivism — it readily sacrifices individual rights to majority wishes. Since it involves no constitutional bill of rights, or at least, no working and effective one, the majority-of-the-moment can and does vote away the rights of the minority-of-the-moment, even of a single individual. This has been called ‘mob rule,’ the ‘tyranny of the majority’ and many other pejorative names. It is one of the greatest threats to liberty, the reason why America’s founding fathers wrote so much so disparagingly of pure democracy.” — Bert Rand

    “A social system is a code of laws which men observe in order to live together. Such a code must have a basic principle, a starting point, or it cannot be devised. The starting point is the question: Is the power of society limited or unlimited?

    “Individualism answers: The power of society is limited by the inalienable, individual rights of man. Society may make only such laws as do not violate these rights.

    “Collectivism answers: The power of society is unlimited. Society may make any laws it wishes, and force them upon anyone in any manner it wishes.” — Ayn Rand, Textbook of Americanism.

    “STATISM is that particular form of collectivism in which individuals are forced to be subservient to government (as distinguished, if possible, from a religious or cult leader, roving invader or local gangster). Anyone in government who wants to extend his power, or anyone else (who has political influence) with agendas to advance, monopolies to secure, axes to grind or revenge to take — can make claims that certain governmental actions would be in the national, state, society or even family interest and must ‘therefore’ take precedence over any individual interests whatsoever. With this ‘justification’ the people in government can proceed to enforce such claims, often enthusiastically, sometimes brutally, but always with impunity.” — Rick Gaber

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