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Sep 16 2016

#GOPEXODUS

Trump is only a temporary problem. The real tragedy is what he personifies: the Republican Party formally renouncing conservative principles to embrace degeneracy and Big Government authoritarianism (i.e., moonbattery), becoming in effect a second Democrat Party. After divided opposition and Democrat cross-voting allowed Trump to win the primaries, and then Trump supporters and party apparatchiks crushed efforts to stop him at the convention, many genuine conservatives have reached the end of the line — #GOPEXODUS:

[T]he other 16 Republican primary candidates weren’t about to fall in line behind a candidate that neither represented conservative principles nor conducts himself in any manner remotely conducive to the highest office in the world. So, the staunchly conservative crowd took their #NeverTrump stance to the next phase. And, that is how the GOP EXODUS was born. Today, there are many EX-GOP social media groups with angry, disenfranchised Republican voters filing in daily.

One group in particular, formed by Dr. John Vigil and Marie Feazell, began as a nationwide, state-by-state #NeverTrump social media group. And, was reorganized after the Republican National Convention to serve as the official #GOPEXODUS group. The group had a well coordinated plan to mass exit the GOP on September 15th, 2016. And, they did just that.

They should have waited until tomorrow. Constitution Day would have been highly appropriate.

The disenfranchised EX-GOPers vow to starve the GOP of grassroots conservative true grit, votes and money. And, as they enter the next phase of their mission, one member promises to “find a new party that shares my conservative principles and nominate leaders who will fight for them as diligently as I do.”

In the short term, this will be bad news if it helps Democrats regain Congress. Longer term, it may be necessary. The Republican Party cannot serve both populist Big Government authoritarians and constitutional conservatives. Their characters, viewpoints, and objectives are polar opposite.

It is an easy matter for hacks on TV and radio to discard everything they pretend to believe in and demand that we support the opposite; they are doing it for the money. Conservatives motivated by a sincere belief in individual liberty and moral decency are less flexible.

Maybe it is not too late for the Republican Party to be reclaimed by conservatives. But if it is, countermoonbats need to find a new home quickly, so as not to be scattered in the wilderness like Eastern European partisans trapped between Communists on one side and Nazis on the other.

GOP-suicide-by-trump
Time to move on?

On a tip from Torcer.




148 Responses to “#GOPEXODUS”

  1. ramrodd says:

    Nazi | Define Nazi

    -a member of the National Socialist German Workers’ Party, which controlled Germany from 1933 to 1945 under Adolf Hitler and advocated totalitarian government, territorial expansion, anti-Semitism, and Aryan supremacy, all these leading directly to World War II and the Holocaust.

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/nazi

  2. ramrodd says:

    Right Wing Nazis: The Big Lie – The
    Nazis were, are, and forever will be LEFT wing..

    “And there are moments when I curse myself for not having understood it
    earlier; for having let myself be fooled by the two ‘soccer-teams’ for so long.
    Dammit.”—Oriana Fallacci (1929-2006) “The Force of Reason”

    Now you tell me, how do the Nazis, an offshoot of Big Government fascism,
    end up on the right side of the political spectrum (let alone the far
    right)? I’ll save us any further delay—there is no legitimate reason for the
    Nazis to be labeled right wing, let alone “extreme” right wing. The fact that
    most people blithely accept the “common wisdom” that Nazis were/are a right wing
    ideology is due to the Left’s hugely successful ploy to foist one of their own
    worst failures onto the shoulders of the political right. This “Big Lie” is
    perhaps more responsible for muddying the waters of political discourse than any
    other single factor. Big Government ideologies belong on the LEFT side of the
    political spectrum—period.

    This wrongheaded labeling has led to some perplexing head-scratchers that
    would have stumped Solomon on a good day. Ezra Pound was a right wing
    extremist? Really? Mussolini and Hitler, who blatantly, obviously, and
    undeniably practiced a form of Big Government tyranny—the very anti-thesis of
    limited government conservatism—were right wing extremists? Really?

    No, not really. It’s all smoke ‘n’ mirrors, razzle-dazzle verbal
    gymnastics. The way the Left successfully slipped their disreputable Nazi
    cousin into the right wing’s “family tree” is one for the books. Credit or
    blame goes mainly to academia and the media, especially the media. (It is worth
    mentioning in passing that a proper understanding of where fascists belong on
    the political spectrum throws such things as the CIA’s “Operation Paperclip”
    into a more revealing and edifying light).

    The Nazis were, are, and forever will be LEFT wing. The left are
    recognized masters of a chameleon-like ability to switch from one innocuous
    sounding political label to another. “We the people” need to nail them down on
    this one at least.

    When I hear or read a news venue of any sort using the slanderous,
    illogical lie “right wing Nazi” then the veracity of their entire output becomes
    immediately suspect. As long as “we the people” keep unquestioningly swallowing
    the poisonous pap prepared for us by the elites, they will be more than happy to
    keep dishing it out.
http://canadafreepress.com/article/76510

  3. Artfuldgr says:

    its interesting in that the left/socialist/communist/collectivists used to be disparate, but the commiterm and stalin, orded them to create the united front. ie. put their individual crap aside to act like one group

    The united front is a form of struggle or political organization that may be carried out by revolutionaries or communist political struggles. The basic theory of the united front tactic was first developed by the Comintern, an international communist organization created by communists in the wake of the 1917 Bolshevik Revolution.

    According to the thesis of the 1922 4th World Congress of the Comintern: “The united front tactic is simply an initiative whereby the Communists propose to join with all workers belonging to other parties and groups and all unaligned workers in a common struggle to defend the immediate, basic interests of the working class against the bourgeoisie.”

    The united front allowed workers committed to the revolutionary overthrow of capitalism to struggle alongside non-revolutionary workers. Through these common struggles revolutionaries sought to win other workers to revolutionary socialism. The united front perspective is also used in contemporary and non-Leninist perspectives

    Dave and others are showing why communism always wins
    despite huge disparities between things like women, blacks, gays, criminals, anarchists, socialists, communists, anarcho-communists, fascists, and so on, they ALL work together and dont do what the GOP/Conservatives are doing!!!!!!!!!!!

    in fact i have come to this conclusion:

    IF the world hands these republicans lemons, they do NOT make lemonade
    they become sourpuses…

  4. Torcer says:

    Awww isn’t that precious!
    Suddenly it’s interested in the truth:

    KirklesWorth
    Torcer: Once again we see that it can’t even answer a direct question and it has to deflect with as yet another set of falsehoods.

    Complete lie, and your word games won’t save you

    Torcer: Let’s see if it can actually answer a direct question and define Conservative principles.

    KirklesWorth: Conservative principles: #1 Not let a progressive-liberal-socialist criminal be president. Shall I go on? You are trying to defeat Trump to what end? http://moonbattery.com/?p=7617

    By all three definitions, I answered the question. Answer: 1. a thing said, written, or done to deal with or as a reaction to a question, statement, or situation. (verb) 1. say or write something to deal with or as a reaction to someone or something. 2. act in reaction to.

    Definition of principle
    noun
    1A fundamental truth or proposition that serves as the foundation for a system of belief or behaviour or for a chain of reasoning.
    ‘the basic principles of justice’
    1.1A rule or belief governing one’s behaviour.
    ‘struggling to be true to their own principles’
    [mass noun] ‘she resigned over a matter of principle’
    1.2[mass noun]Morally correct behaviour and attitudes.
    ‘a man of principle’
    Origin
    Late Middle English: from Old French, from Latin principium source, principia (plural) foundations, from princeps, princip- first, chief.
    https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/principle

    Of course we could all demand it actually show where that is a commonly accepted Conservative Principle but from past expericence…

    And once again, you claim “falsehood” without proof even when challenged:

    KirklesWorth: You are trying to defeat Trump to what end?

    Sadly, once again we see that it goes back to spewing falsehoods.
    My demand would it show proof in the form of Excepts that is the case, let’s see if it can provide such items.

  5. KirklesWorth says:

    Hillary is the antithesis of conservatism and must be defeated. You are trying to get Trump defeated to what end?

  6. Occam's Stubble says:

    If anyone has not read Liberal Fascism by Jonah Goldberg, do so. It not only lays this argument to rest, it lays out how communism, Nazism, fascism, and even our American progressives’ ideology all share the same root thinking from the same philosophers.

  7. Captain Deplorable says:

    Ummm If you follow a movement led by the other 16 candidates, I promise you that Kasick, Rubio, Yeb, Fiorina, and Cruz will NOT lead you to Constitutional Paradise.

    Enough with the Temper Tantrums. This is the election the Clinton’s become finished.
    Sit back and enjoy it instead of trying to find reasons to be outraged like SJWs do.

  8. Torcer says:

    What are the generally accepted principles of Conservatism?

  9. KirklesWorth says:

    First, I’m not your errand boy. If you’ve got a point to make, do your own research. Second, you aren’t answering my question. Hillary is the antithesis of conservatism and must be defeated. Correct? You are trying to get Trump defeated to what end?

  10. Grumpy Cat says:

    “He should have used a .44 magnum, that would have made a right purty mess”

    -7.62 IQ

  11. Torcer says:

    I would tend to agree – he bases his argument on solid base of historic research.

    I still laugh at the passage where he reports that the NAZI’s wanted to put the SS troops on an organic diet of some sort.

  12. Grumpy Cat says:

    Do you hold the same position on the so-called “Trump’s new entitlement” as the DNC?

    Answer the question.

  13. Torcer says:

    MYTH BUSTED: Actually, Yes, Hitler Was a Socialist Liberal
    A favorite tactic employed by leftists is to describe the Nazis as “right wing,” with Adolf Hitler, their leader, as the grand leader of this “right wing” movement. Rewriting history is pretty common for leftists, as their history is littered with injustice (the KKK was founded by Democrats, did you know?). Injustices they claim to fight against today. Awkward.

    Adolf Hitler wasn’t “right wing.” If you take nothing else from this post, just remember Hitler was a socialist. With terrible facial hair. There’s an easy way to remember it, too. NAZI stands for National Socialist German Workers‘ Party. Associate it with blunt mustaches.

    What does National Socialist German Worker’s Party mean? Glad you asked. Is it different from “Democratic socialism”? Only in semantics. A Democracy is mob rule, which is why America is actually a constitutional, representative republic, NOT a democracy. A representative republic protects the minority from the majority, whereas a democracy is the rule of the majority. Leftists get caught up in words, getting tripped up over “National Socialism” as opposed to “Democrat Socialism.” But it’s just that. Semantics. So when Hitler ginned up hatred for the Jews, he could get the mob to agree with him. He could get the mob to believe him. There were no representatives to stop Hitler. He was one man helming the desperation of a majority of people. Spot the difference?

    When we examine Hitler’s Nazi Germany through the lens of history, most, if not all of us, think of the Holocaust. In fact the holocaust might be the only thing we associate with Hitler’s Nazis. We’ve all been told of the Jews being marched off to death camps where they were worked, tortured, then gassed. We’ve also heard of the experiments conducted by Hitler’s Dr. Mengele. All terrible practices which we rightly find horrifying. Unless you’re one of those people who think Planned Parenthood is great.

    What we don’t often hear or learn about is how Hitler ruled the rest of Germany, what his domestic policies were for the German people he didn’t march off to death camps. Hitler’s domestic, socialist policies will be the focus of this post. Trigger warning: they’re eerily similar to what American Democrats tout today. Double trigger warning? He initially had the support of the mob of people. So replace many of Hitler’s policies with something you hear from Bernie Sanders…
    [..]
    Employment for All
    After that depression, Hitler made a huge promise to his people: employment for all. How did he do it?
    http://www.markedbyteachers.com/gcse/history/hitler-s-domestic-policies-between-1933-1939-engaged-widespread-popularity-among-german-people-how-far-would-you-agree.html
    So Hitler created jobs…through government. While at the same time, he criticized certain segments of the population, demeaning them, blaming the countries woes upon them. The rich, they just ruin everything. Sound familiar?
    Big Education
    If you haven’t seen it yet, go watch http://louderwithcrowder.com/holocaust-survivor-draws-chilling-similarities-between-nazism-and-obama/
    […]
    The Police State
    If you dared oppose the Nazis or Hitler politically, especially with your words, you better watch out.
    http://www.ushmm.org/outreach/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007675
    In Conclusion

    Hitler was a horrible human being. But aside from how he treated the Jews, aside from his monstrous ways, his policies were anything but “conservative.” He wanted big government, he wanted big education, he wanted thought control. He hated political dissidents. He loathed free-speech. He feared an armed citizenry.

    So stop saying “Hitler was right-wing.” No, he wasn’t. If anything, he was a full-fledged left-winger. With a horrible mustache.
    http://louderwithcrowder.com/myth-busted-actually-yes-hitler-was-a-socialist-liberal/

  14. Torcer says:

    An English Lawmaker Called Hitler a Socialist. After the Arguing is Done, the Audience is Cheering.
    In this speech, posted on December 9th of this year, Hannan sets out to prove how the infamous German fuhrer Adolf Hitler was not a man of the right, but a different type of socialist.
    Mr Hannan opens, “Ladies and gentleman, who said this? ‘I am a socialist. And a very different kind of socialist from your rich friend Count Reventlow.’
    Among the points that back Mr. Hannan’s point is the official Nazi platform; particularly, its economic policies:

    9. All citizens must possess equal rights and duties.
    10. The first duty of every citizen must be to work mentally or physically. No individual shall do any work that offends against the interest of the community to the benefit of all.
    Therefore we demand:
    11. That all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished. […]
    14. We demand profit-sharing in large industries.
    15. We demand a generous increase in old-age pensions.
    In bold letters, the Nazi platform summarizes:

    COMMON GOOD BEFORE INDIVIDUAL GOOD

    As Hannan points out, while socialists and fascists, two different kinds of authoritarian collectivists, fought one another for power, both groups were hostile to the classically liberal true “right” – which stands for individual freedom.

    Later on in the video [5:30], a questioner asks: “How is it freedom to not have your daily bread, to not go to a reasonable school, to not have any opportunities to develop yourself as a young person…?”

    Mr. Hannan replied, “Let’s leave aside whether or not one means positive freedom or negative freedom. If you want those opportunities, if you want decent schools, if you want a rise in living standards, would you go to North Korea or South Korea?” Much of the audience applauded in approval.

    In a related article in the Telegraph, “So total is the Left’s cultural ascendancy that no one likes to mention the socialist roots of fascism,” Daniel Hannan points out how uncomfortable it makes people to recite basic historical facts about history:

    One of the most stunning achievements of the modern Left is to have created a cultural climate where simply to recite these facts is jarring. History is reinterpreted, and it is taken as axiomatic that fascism must have been Right-wing, the logic seemingly being that Left-wing means compassionate and Right-wing means nasty and fascists were nasty. You expect this level of analysis from Twitter mobs; you shouldn’t expect it from mainstream commentators.

    It is astounding to see how one political faction can so thoroughly dominate discourse as to condition the cultural terrain whereby any opposition is considered “hate,” “racism,” or “bigotry.” But much like with the Democratic Party in the United States, the first rule of polite, politically correct conversation is to never drag the skeletons out of the left’s closet.

    English Conservative MEP:Hitler Was A Socialist
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35Rini9Yu0M

    http://www.ijreview.com/2014/12/217711-3-english-mp-daniel-hannan-gives-blistering-speech-setting-record-straight-real-socialists/

  15. Torcer says:

    What are the generally accepted principles of Conservatism?

  16. KirklesWorth says:

    1. I’m not your errand boy.
    2. Do your own busy work.
    3. Hillary is the antithesis of conservatism and must be defeated. Correct?
    4. You are trying to get Trump defeated to what end?

  17. Torcer says:

    I don’t agree with Trump’s new entitlement.

    What are you talking about with regard to the DNC?

  18. Buffalobob says:

    There is no short term. Of crooked Hilary wins it is over. .

  19. Torcer says:

    KirklesWorth Torcer

    1. I’m not your errand boy.
    2. Do your own busy work.
    3. Hillary is the antithesis of conservatism and must be defeated. Correct?
    4. You are trying to get Trump defeated to what end?

    There you have it folks.

    It won’t answer the question and instead deflects it by asking other questions.

    Isn’t it Curious that a supposed Conversative doesn’t even know it’s generally accepted principles…

    Again, What are the generally accepted principles of Conservatism?

  20. Torcer says:

    KirklesWorth Torcer

    1. I’m not your errand boy.
    2. Do your own busy work.
    3. Hillary is the antithesis of conservatism and must be defeated. Correct?
    4. You are trying to get Trump defeated to what end?

    There you have it folks.

    It won’t answer the question and instead deflects it by asking other questions.

    Isn’t it Curious that a supposed Conversative doesn’t even know it’s generally accepted principles…

    Again, What are the generally accepted principles of Conservatism?.

  21. KirklesWorth says:

    “Won’t answer” and “deflects” like you do with these:

    1. Hillary is the antithesis of conservatism and must be defeated. Correct?
    2. You are trying to get Trump defeated to what end?

    I’m not your errand boy nor your researcher, but I will take pity on you since you seem to be Google-impaired:

    The eight principles of conservatism | The Daily Caller

    Ten Conservative Principles By Russell Kirk

  22. KirklesWorth says:

    Oops…getting a little ahead of yourself. You are obviously proud of bossing people around in order for them to do your work for you – so be it.

    “Won’t answer” and “deflects” like you do with these:

    1. Hillary is the antithesis of conservatism and must be defeated. Correct?
    2. You are trying to get Trump defeated to what end?

    I’m not your errand boy nor your researcher, but I will take pity on you since you seem to be Google-impaired:

    The eight principles of conservatism | The Daily Caller

    Ten Conservative Principles By Russell Kirk

    http://moonbattery.com/?p=76256#comment-2899897708

  23. david says:

    If true conservatives believe in helping Hillary win the election, then conservatives are the enemy.

  24. KirklesWorth says:

    So how would you respond to the question: “Hillary is the antithesis of conservatism and must be defeated”? True or false?

  25. Johnny Monday says:

    Drumpf is the antithesis of conservatism. Electing him and calling him “conservative” will destroy conservatism as a movement.

  26. KirklesWorth says:

    So, how would you respond to the question: “Hillary is the antithesis of conservatism and must be defeated”? True or false?

  27. KirklesWorth says:

    Is that so? Is that your final answer?

  28. Torcer says:

    Hahaha!

    First it says

    KirklesWorth
    1. I’m not your errand boy.
    2. Do your own busy work.

    Then

    KirklesWorth Oops…getting a little ahead of yourself.

    From your reference:

    1.) All people are endowed by their Creator with the inalienable rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. We fought a war to regain these rights from our old government, and we created the Constitution to keep our new government from ever taking them away again.

    2.) Limited government is a necessary evil required to maintain a civil society. Excessive government is an unnecessary evil that undermines the liberty intrinsic to human dignity.

    3.) Equal justice under equal laws must exist for a society to remain unified. Lady Justice is blindfolded for a reason. The law does not exist to serve only the aggrieved and making it do so divides the people under it.

    4.) Solutions are best when they are established voluntarily and locally. The federal government is the antithesis of that, as it is coercive and distant.

    5.) Life is a series of tradeoffs. Doing one thing will come at the expense of doing something else.

    6.) An individual is more likely than bureaucrats to know what is in his own self-interest.

    7.) Policies are as useful as the incentives they create, not the good intentions with which they were created.

    8.) As observed by Milton Friedman, there are four ways of spending money. From most efficient to least efficient:
    a. Spend your own money on yourself.

    b. Spend your own money on someone else.

    c. Spend someone else’s money on yourself.

    d. Spend someone else’s money on someone else (which happens to be how government spends money).
    http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/22/the-eight-principles-of-conservatism/

    How does the example of Trump’s new entitlement program square with the concept of limited government.
    We could talk about his advocacy of single payer, but that can be something you can dodge later on..

  29. KirklesWorth says:

    It doesn’t.

    1. Hillary is the antithesis of conservatism and must be defeated. Correct?
    2. You are trying to get Trump defeated to what end?

  30. Torcer says:

    Hahaha!

    First it says

    KirklesWorth
    1. I’m not your errand boy.
    2. Do your own busy work.

    Then

    KirklesWorth Oops…getting a little ahead of yourself.

    From your reference:

    1.) All people are endowed by their Creator with the inalienable rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. We fought a war to regain these rights from our old government, and we created the Constitution to keep our new government from ever taking them away again.

    2.) Limited government is a necessary evil required to maintain a civil society. Excessive government is an unnecessary evil that undermines the liberty intrinsic to human dignity.

    3.) Equal justice under equal laws must exist for a society to remain unified. Lady Justice is blindfolded for a reason. The law does not exist to serve only the aggrieved and making it do so divides the people under it.

    4.) Solutions are best when they are established voluntarily and locally. The federal government is the antithesis of that, as it is coercive and distant.

    5.) Life is a series of tradeoffs. Doing one thing will come at the expense of doing something else.

    6.) An individual is more likely than bureaucrats to know what is in his own self-interest.

    7.) Policies are as useful as the incentives they create, not the good intentions with which they were created.

    8.) As observed by Milton Friedman, there are four ways of spending money. From most efficient to least efficient:
    a. Spend your own money on yourself.

    b. Spend your own money on someone else.

    c. Spend someone else’s money on yourself.

    d. Spend someone else’s money on someone else (which happens to be how government spends money).
    http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/22/the-eight-principles-of-conservatism/

    How does the example of Trump’s new entitlement program square with the concept of limited government.
    We could talk about his advocacy of single payer, but that can be something you can dodge later on..

  31. Torcer says:

    Then Trump isn’t a Conservative, correct?

  32. KirklesWorth says:

    Sorry, your turn to answer:

    1. Hillary is the antithesis of conservatism and must be defeated. Correct?
    2. You are trying to get Trump defeated to what end?

  33. Torcer says:

    1. How is Trump any different?
    2. Merely posting articles means nothing in that regard.

    NOW, YOUR turn: Then Trump isn’t a Conservative, correct?

  34. KirklesWorth says:

    Multiple postings now?

    KirklesWorth: It doesn’t.

    1. Hillary is the antithesis of conservatism and must be defeated. Correct?
    2. You are trying to get Trump defeated to what end?

    http://moonbattery.com/?p=76256#comment-2899967798

  35. KirklesWorth says:

    Request #2: Sorry, your turn to answer:

    1. Hillary is the antithesis of conservatism and must be defeated. Correct?
    2. You are trying to get Trump defeated to what end?

  36. Torcer says:

    Request #3: Sorry, your turn to answer:
    1. How is Trump any different?
    2. Merely posting articles means nothing in that regard.

    NOW, YOUR turn: Then Trump isn’t a Conservative, correct?

    Did you miss my answers?

  37. KirklesWorth says:

    Request #3: Sorry, your turn to answer:

    1. (Asked 10 times) Hillary is the antithesis of conservatism and must be defeated. Correct?
    2. (Asked 11 times) You are trying to get Trump defeated to what end?

  38. Torcer says:

    Request #3: Sorry, your turn to answer:
    1. How is Trump any different?
    2. Merely posting articles means nothing in that regard.

    NOW, YOUR turn: Then Trump isn’t a Conservative, correct?

    Did you miss my answers?

  39. KirklesWorth says:

    Yes.

    Request #4: Sorry, your turn to answer:

    1. (Asked 11 times) Hillary is the antithesis of conservatism and must be defeated. Correct?
    2. (Asked 12 times) You are trying to get Trump defeated to what end?

  40. Torcer says:

    Request #4: Sorry, your turn to answer:
    1. How is Trump any different?
    2. Merely posting articles means nothing in that regard.

    NOW, YOUR turn: Then Trump isn’t a Conservative, correct?

    Did you miss my answers?

  41. Torcer says:

    Remember the victims of communism: Column
    August 24, 2014
    It took Stalin AND Hitler to ignite World War II and the slaughter that came after.
    Seventy-five years ago this week, Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union signed a pact of non-aggression and cooperation. The sinister 1939 pact (along with its secret provisions) between Hitler and Stalin and negotiated by Soviet foreign minister Vyacheslav Molotov and Nazi German foreign minister Joachim von Ribbentrop, would conquer and divide Europe, half Nazi and half Communist. Fascism and Communism became aligned in the early stages of a conflict that would consume millions of lives in the years that followed.

    Within days of signing the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, Hitler’s armies invaded Poland, and over the next few months, Stalin soon invaded Finland, Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania. For nearly two years, the Nazi SS and Soviet NKVD worked together. There were instances when Soviet secret police rounded up German Jews who had escaped to the Soviet Union and handed them over to the SS. Both Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union committed war crimes on a massive scale and systematically murdered millions of civilians.

    In 1941, Hitler broke the pact and attacked the Soviet Union. When the war ended, the Third Reich was finished, but the Soviet Empire lived on.
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2014/08/22/communism-memorial-coldwar–mass-murder-fascism-column/14447479/

  42. KirklesWorth says:

    My turn to start a new thread. Torcer refuses to answer questions after repeated requests and demands of its own, so please note for future reference when it tries to play its games. There was actually request #4, but it responded with “Did you miss my answers?” which I replied with “Yes” and it went back to ignoring the questions.

    Request #3: Sorry, your turn to answer:

    1. (Asked 10 times) Hillary is the antithesis of conservatism and must be defeated. Correct?
    2. (Asked 11 times) You are trying to get Trump defeated to what end?

    http://moonbattery.com/?p=76256#comment-2900011369

  43. Captain Deplorable says:

    Listen from 4:40 to 5:50

    https://youtu.be/tPrkk1_HcIk?t=283

  44. TrojanMan says:

    “1. Hillary is the antithesis of conservatism and must be defeated. Correct?
    2. You are trying to get Trump defeated to what end?”

    Hillary needs to be defeated but not by electing her donor Herr Trump. Simple.

    Are you voting FOR Trump or AGAINST Hitlery?

    Go vote Trump and be well.

  45. KirklesWorth says:

    Then how else would Hillary be defeated (other than by her own health problems)?

    Are you voting FOR Trump or AGAINST Hitlery?

    Yes.

  46. TrojanMan says:

    Yes is a non-answer:

    Are you voting FOR Trump OR AGAINST Hitlery?

  47. KirklesWorth says:

    Asked and answered. Then how else would Hillary be defeated (other than by her own health problems)?

  48. TrojanMan says:

    Nope you did not answer this time but as you like to do i have evidence:

    “I will be voting against Hillary.” So i will take this as admission that you know Trump is a turd and are not voting FOR him but against Hillary. Thanks!

    “Then how else would Hillary be defeated (other than by her own health problems)?” I will answer “Yes” to your question as well. There i answered it no different from your answer.

    Go Vote Trump and be well.

  49. KirklesWorth says:

    Spare me your ridiculous lectures and your false dichotomies. You don’t even believe in a Hillary or Trump dichotomy yourself, so spare me your hypocrisy.

    So i will take this as admission that you know Trump is a turd and are not voting FOR him but against Hillary. Thanks!

    False on its face but helpful for you to get Hillary elected. Thanks!

    “Then how else would Hillary be defeated (other than by her own health problems)?” I will answer “Yes” to your question as well. There i answered it no different from your answer.

    How to defeat Hillary = “yes” – makes perfect sense.

    I will vote Trump and I will be better off than letting Hillary win, thanks.

  50. Callawyn says:

    Hillary’s Corpse for POTUS!

  51. Nobama says:

    GOP was dead before Trump. Don’t blame him.

  52. trump now leads in polls says:

    90% of republicans support trump. neo=con artist war mongers movement conservatives ayn randists wealthy koch brothers and other rich free trade vermin don’t let the door hit you on the way out! alt right will more then make up for you. trump now leading in polls!

  53. KirklesWorth says:

    It’s like they argue it both ways. The anti-Trumpers proclaim the “GOP sucks” for many reasons including making Trump the nominee, and when the previously-demonized GOP-ers want to leave the party the anti-Trumpers blame Trump. They want to shake out the GOP, but when it happens they start bellyaching. Irrational.

  54. TED says:

    THE REAL DISEASE SHE IS INFECTED WITH… http://i.imgur.com/DS2ngiF.jpg

  55. Ed. G. Mann says:

    Great news that the GOP is dead. It is nothing but a corrupt sack of elitist politicians that paid no attention to the voters. Now prove to me that there are enough Conservatives loose in America to form a Conservative Party and take over the place of the defunct GOP, keeping it dead.

    Of course Conservatives are going to have to take in those that disagree with them over some viewpoints otherwise you will have a fractured group with no real base. Like now.

  56. TrojanMan says:

    Ive said it before, can you really blame the man for screwing bimbos? I mean look who he is “married” to.

  57. TrojanMan says:

    Even Trumpains can laugh at this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSr7RKxsG9M

  58. J.j. Cintia says:

    Yeah this seems like an empty threat to me. Since when is anyone in the GOP really conservative? George HW Bush went along with tax increases. His son W passed No Child Left Behind and Medicare part B. Boehner didn’t stop any of Obama’s agenda and Ryan financed him straight through January 2017.
    The GOPe insiders have been trying to kill all the social issues conservatives have for years. Cruz is a complete phony. He talks like a Bible thumping Evangelist and he has the whoring lifestyle too. His wife works for Goldman Sachs the biggest Hillary donor and supporter in America.
    Kiss my ass, you phonies. Your “conservatism” is about as real as your “patriotism”. Since when is populism a bad thing? Do you understand this voting thing do you?

  59. TrojanMan says:

    “Cruz is a complete phony.” But Trump… that guy is the real deal!

  60. J.j. Cintia says:

    Do you have another option do you? Will you vote for Jill Stein or that fruit loop fake Libertarian Gary Johnson? Oh, wait, you want to wait four more years until you get a “real conservative” right? Like Jeb “La Raza” Bush.

  61. CTsOpinion says:

    The anti-Trump GOP blowing it out their ass how appropriate.

  62. KirklesWorth says:

    That’s why Trump is courting the moderate conservatives instead of the reactionary conservatives. Romney was more conservative than Trump, and he couldn’t get elected – so why should Trump bother with the side that abandoned him and don’t have enough party loyalty to support him?

  63. TrojanMan says:

    Vote for whom you wish as you will get bigger government and less freedom no matter who gets elected. We ALWAYS have options:

    1. Convention of States
    2. Secession
    3. Revolution

    4 more years will do nothing but tear away at what freedoms we have left even with Trump. The sooner one of the three options above happens the fewer people will need to die to be free again.

    You may not like it, it might be hard but options you have.

    I also noticed you deflected from my comment as per Trumpidian SOP. You called Cruz a phony and that very well might be true but do not try to tell me Trump is not also a phony.

    For the record I am not voting for any of the 4 main candidates. They are all progs and will do nothing to harbor freedom and the return of the rule of law.

    Go vote Trump and be well.

  64. God, the Crotch and NRO says:

    Apparently, charging off with their swords in one hand and their balls in the other to Make the World Safe for Israel! It’s the only thing I’ve seen them consistently do,

  65. God, the Crotch and NRO says:

    They could always vote Likud. Which is basically what they do anyway.

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  67. KirklesWorth says:

    Everything you said was good until you got to ” They are all progs and will do nothing to harbor freedom and the return of the rule of law”, and then you went all-or-nothing. Trump may not be as conservative as you would prefer, but he is not a “prog”.

  68. 762x51 says:

    AHH, some genuine Progressive anti-antisemitism from the Trumpanzee Chorus. Mixed with a little anti-Christianity, now we are getting somewhere. Now just go ahead and proclaim your support of IslamoNazis, you know you want to, proggie.

    Come on out of the closet, we already know what your are anyway, Progressives are always fascists.

  69. 762x51 says:

    Sure he is jerkoffsworth, just like you are, proggie Progtard.

  70. KirklesWorth says:

    Wrong on both counts per usual. At least you are proud of your ignorance.

  71. 762x51 says:

    Soon you will be as well, G Spot, after all you are at least 75 years old. How many more miles could there be in that walking farts ass of your?

    I wonder who replace you as the oldest living chickenshit after you are dead? Maybe we better start accepting applications now, can’t let an important title like that go unoccupied very long. Calling all Progressive cowards, jerkoffsworth, Troll Maggot, are you listening? Now is your chance to be something for once in your miserable lives..

  72. Torcer says:

    Perhaps you could try again citing a generally accepted principle..

  73. KHarn says:

    You talk like a communist.

  74. Ed. G. Mann says:

    As per usual noting to what was said but just the constant flow of pre-hominid dirt scratching found in condemned trailer parks.

  75. JoeK says:

    It’ll be so great when Hellery gets elected and proves just how right all of you never Trumpers really were!!

  76. God, the Crotch and NRO says:

    I pay more attention to what people actually do than what they say. And based on my observations, that seems to be pretty universal definition among True Conservatives™ around here. I’m pretty sure that when I hear the words “True Conservative™” around these parts, it’s not a reference to Pat Buchanan. I don’t feel the need to justify my understanding of conservativism to someone who obviously wouldn’t know Russell Kirk from Captain Kirk. Sorry!

  77. 762x51 says:

    Proggie Progtard forcing your Progressive candidate down the throats of those unwilling to accept him. That is you and what you do here every single day, we have all seen it for ourselves.

    Prove me wrong by stopping. Show everyone here that you are not what I say you are. You can’t, because forcing your beliefs on those around is more important to you, your fascism is an addiction you can’t break. Forcing yourself on others is what you do and that makes you EXACTLY like Hillary Clinton, right down to your drapery like pants suit..

  78. Torcer says:

    TRY AGAIN: What are the generally accepted principles of Conservatism?

  79. God, the Crotch and NRO says:

    You’re really are quite dense, aren’t you? But if you insist…

    http://www.kirkcenter.org/index.php/detail/ten-conservative-principles/

    I expect you’ll find them quite alien…

  80. KirklesWorth says:

    Say “proggie / protard / progressive” (capitalized?) as many times as you want just like the liberals trying to turn lies into the truth. You don’t know what a progressive is nor how to identify one, but feel free to continue to spout your ignorance while you plan to murder them after you get Hillary elected.

  81. 762x51 says:

    What’s the matter G Spot? Hemorrhoids flaring up today, you useless old fuck?

    You do like to look down your nose at “trailer parks” but then an elitist old fuck like you couldn’t be any other way. Take your meds gramps, them and your cowardice is all that is keeping you alive.

    G Spot chicken shit!!!

  82. Torcer says:

    1. You should realise that your use of childish invective shows a certain lack of intellectual integrity.
    2. Don’t expect others to make your point for you – in other words don’t expect to get away using the wild goose chase scam.

    What are the What are the generally accepted principles of Conservatism? that you wish to list out?
    [That means posting an excerpt of what you wish to present]

  83. Ed. G. Mann says:

    It’s the craven mouse shit covered peckerwoods like you that make trailer parks the hellholes that Carville noticed in his dialogues. The local whores have so many more diseases that you gave them; they must be shying away from fornicating with you.

    The BoH will incarcerate you until they can identify the contamination vectors carried on your corpus. It’s a wonder they don’t drop a 50# bag of DDT on you and then caramelize it with napalm.

  84. God, the Crotch and NRO says:

    How about I just provide you with a red hot poker, with which you can go fuck yourself?

  85. 762x51 says:

    Oh, I don’t have to say it proggie, everyone here already knows you are a Progressive because the stench of your your Progressive fascism is pervasive in every post you pollute this site with.

    So much concern for the well being of Progressives. When will you be coming out of the closet proggie / progtard / Progressive?

    Let’s see, a Progressive is someone who

    supports Progressive causes,
    supports the Progressive agenda,
    supports Progressive candidates who will ensure that the Progressive agenda gets implemented and
    who will harass anyone and everyone in an attempt to force that person to follow their Progressive agenda.

    So that would be, you, you, you and you. Progressives are actually pretty easy to spot which is why you will make excellent targets in the coming war. The last time you Progressives held this kind of power, you pulled the same bullshit and became so outcast that you were forced underground, you will not be so lucky this time. Now we know that allowing you to survive means we will only have to fight you again in the future.

    If Hillary is elected, it will be because you and your candidate failed, I had no role in it, but then, refusing to accept personal responsibility for your actions is a Progressive trait.

    See you on the battlefield, proggie / progtard / Progressive, LMAO!!

  86. 762x51 says:

    ROTFLMAO!! G Spot, you sound pissed off, was it something I said?

    What’s a BoH, G Spot? Some secret government agency you can call and report me to? Not something a Libertarian would do but a Progressive? Oh hell yeah! Better call big brother government and get them to beat up om those you can’t because you are such an impotent wretch. Gives you and jerkoffsworth stories to swap at your mutual masturbation parties, I suppose. He’s another useless little cowardly, impotent prick, just like you.

    Can’t help but dream about all your enemies you will get ti incarcerate once your cult leader is in power, just like the rest of the Trumpanzee vermin. You all do it, talk about incarcerating myself and others who disagree with you, it’s almost comical, in a Third Reich kind of way.

    See you on the battlefield, bitch. Don’t forget your walker and a spare catheter.

  87. KirklesWorth says:

    Name one thing I state that is “progressive”.

    supports Progressive causes,
    supports the Progressive agenda,
    supports Progressive candidates who will ensure that the Progressive agenda gets implemented and
    who will harass anyone and everyone in an attempt to force that person to follow their Progressive agenda.

    That was “brilliant” for a harassment master and agenda forcer. “A progressive is someone who does progressive things” is just about the most worthless answer possible.

    Only anti-Trumpers can come up with “if Hillary is elected it is Trump supporters’ fault” – more “brilliance”. Hey Einstein, attacking the only person capable of defeating Hillary is the best way to get her elected. So keep working for Hillary and spare me your bogus lectures.

  88. 762x51 says:

    Spare you? Not a chance asshole.

    To be capable of defeating Hillary, wouldn’t your cult leader need to be ahead of her? He isn’t, despite all your chimping. Face it douche bag, you picked the wrong candidate so you will lose and America will lose with you.

    I don’t use charts and graphs in my line of work, I deal in lead and very soon now, I or some one like me will give you an up close and personal demonstration, proggie porgtard. I wonder who it will be? Some one out there has already identified you as a Progressive and selected you as a target, rest assured. You should be very careful from now on, no telling where it will come from.

  89. KirklesWorth says:

    Fine…spew your threatening hypocritical ignorant garbage – it only helps illustrate how irrational you anti-Trump zealots are who want a violent civil war to kill “progressive” Americans without due process and without you even knowing what a progressive is. Your cult leader is Hillary, so spare me your indignation and your threats.

  90. 762x51 says:

    I don’t “want” it dumbass, the Progressives want it and you have made it inevitable. The millions who are about to die are on you because you are too weak or too stupid or too Progressive to have have done the right thing. You have advanced the cause of evil and will soon pay the price for it, you are far too despicable a person for others not to have noticed, one of them will get you.

    Due process, LMFAO? It’s a fucking war idiot. Due process is a bullet, that is how war works. You kill the enemy, you don’t arrest them and read them their rights and ensure they have yard time, what a simpering douche you are. You wanted a a war which is why you have started one, now you will have to try and survive, you can’t, you don’t have what it takes. For the record, I’m anti-Progressive, I don’t give a shit about tRump other than what he, and by extension, you, has done to advance the Progressive agenda. Before this election he was just another NY turd in the punch bowl.

    Once again, there is no chance I will spare you, bitch. Should we meet on the battlefield, you will die.

  91. KirklesWorth says:

    Prove any of what you said:

    1. “the Progressives want it”
    2. “you have made it inevitable”
    3. “millions who are about to die”
    4, “…are on you”
    5, “…because you are too weak or too stupid or too Progressive to have have done the right thing”
    6. “You have advanced the cause of evil”
    7. “…and will soon pay the price for it.”
    8. “you are far too despicable a person for others not to have noticed”
    9, “one of them will get you”

    And the rest of your paranoid rant.

  92. 762x51 says:

    Violence is the only way to implement totalitarianism which is your Progressive endgame. Vote tRump or else, HA!

    By forcing a Progressive candidate on us in tRump, there can be no other outcome but Civil War because people are so thoroughly disgusted with the system you assholes have put in place. Furthermore, the economy is teetering on the brink of collapse thanks to people like you and that collapse is inevitable. Once people cannot feed their children, war will be the result.

    Projected casualty rates in a civil war here run from 30% to 50% and as high as 85%. In a population of 320,000,000, 30% is 96,000,000 dead, 50% is 160,000,000 dead, etc. You better start digging, that’s a lot of bodies to bury.

    Your forcing an unwanted totalitarian Progressive candidate down our throats has ensured that war is the only viable alternative to slavery.

    Only weakness, stupidity or a commitment to Progressive ideology accounts for the indisputably weak candidate you forcibly back here every single day.

    Advancing the Progressive agenda, which you do every day advances the cause of evil.

    You are not equipped to survive the civil war that is coming. There is no way for you to survive it so you will pay the price for your actions.

    What can I say, you are completely despicable, we all can see it.

    You mistakenly believe I am alone in my beliefs, I am not. Someone out there who knows you has already recognized your Progressive ideology by your obnoxious mannerisms. Once civil war is joined, many “old scores” will get settled under cover of that conflagration, it always happens that way.

    Your Progressive ideology will not permit you to accept any of this, but at least you have been told why the things that are about to happen to you will be happening. A non-Progressive would take the opportunity and change their ways, but not you, you are a true believer and thus not someone to be reasoned with or bargained with.

    Here is a little free advice, proggie:

  93. KirklesWorth says:

    But of course, you proved none of it.

    1. “the Progressives want it”
    2. “you have made it inevitable”
    3. “millions who are about to die”
    4, “…are on you”
    5, “…because you are too weak or too stupid or too Progressive to have have done the right thing”
    6. “You have advanced the cause of evil”
    7. “…and will soon pay the price for it.”
    8. “you are far too despicable a person for others not to have noticed”
    9, “one of them will get you”

    And the rest of your paranoid rant.

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