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Oct 18 2016

How Overeager Trumpsters Facilitated Democrat Voter Fraud

Bloggers need to be cognizant of a few basic laws of journalism. One is that just because you really, really want it to be true doesn’t mean it’s true. When a lefty trolled Trumpsters by claiming to be a mailman who destroys Trump ballots, the proprietors of cartoonishly pro-Trump websites Gateway Pundit and Drudge Report broke their teeth by biting the bait.

At least Hoft got himself some traffic with this breathless headline:

POSTAL WORKER Brags Online About Destroying Trump Ballots

Drudge eagerly jumped aboard:

Not even the most cursory attempt was made to determine whether the troll was on the level. He duped Hoft by tweeting this:

Wishful thinking on the part of notoriously gullible and conspiracy-minded Trumpsters was the only reason to believe that raandy, whose Twitter profile gives his location as California, is actually a postal worker in Columbus who risks federal prison by opening up absentee ballots so that he can destroy votes for Trump. Now he is having a good laugh:

Actually this is not so funny, because election fraud is a real problem, even if nowhere near the problem Trump has been pretending in an exceedingly irresponsible attempt to proactively excuse his drubbing next month.

As RedState notes,

Now thanks to Jim Hoft crying wolf, the left has another talking point to use when arguing that conservatives are only making it up.

This will serve to facilitate further voter fraud. Thanks Jim and Matt!

It will also serve to shovel more dirt on the early grave of the pro-Trump media, which has repeatedly proven that being more biased, sloppy, dishonest, and irresponsible than the mainstream media is not an effective strategy for replacing it.

On a tip from Torcer.



113 Responses to “How Overeager Trumpsters Facilitated Democrat Voter Fraud”

  1. Artfuldgr says:

    Just like a leftist liberal moonbat to blame others and not blame the criminals…

    And then tp blame the innocent because the criminals were not appeased enough to not commit the crime

    And then assume that if THE PEOPLE wanted someone else, the dems would not commit crimes

  2. Stephen says:

    Back when Democrat operatives were paying mentally ill people to act as agent provocateurs at Trump rallies, Moonbattery was siding with Soros and calling Trump supporters thugs and brownshirts.

    “Bloggers need to be cognizant of a few basic laws of journalism.”

    Indeed. The first and foremost law of modern journalism is ‘always side with the leftys’. Well done, Moonbattery.

  3. Once again, Trumpsters take a legit issue and then destroy any credibility conservatives may have had on the issue.

  4. Torcer says:

    Where there any stories of Trumpers being violent?

  5. Torcer says:

    Greg Gutfeld: ‘Rigged’ Media Made Trump GOP Nominee [VIDEO]
    Greg Gutfeld of FOX News’ The Five argued that yes, the media is “rigged,” but not exactly in the way that Donald Trump has been loudly complaining about.

    Sure the media has turned on Trump — like the do every Republican nominee — but in Gutfeld’s view, as many others have argued as well, the media built up Trump with unprecedented amounts of free media, dwarfing any other GOP candidate by many multiples, building him up in the primary, only to destroy him in the general election.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CdmM5cBWAAAS7nJ.jpg
    How much is all that free media Donald Trump gets worth? We think we know.
    https://t.co/Gu6wvmpikV

    “True, the media is rigged, but it was rigged for Trump all damn year,” Gutfeld stated. “He got more free media than the weather, dwarfing not just his primary foes but Hillary as well. If it wasn’t for the media who fell over Trump every time he sneezed, we’d have a different candidate,” he asserted.

    Many have suggested that Democrats plotted and schemed to promote Trump as the GOP nominee, knowing that he would be the easiest of the other 16 Republicans running for Hillary Clinton to defeat because he cancels out most of Clinton’s negatives and represents negative stereotypes Democrats have tried to pin on Republicans for years.
    https://youtu.be/Q76l6EmpilY
    http://politistick.com/greg-gutfeld-rigged-media-made-trump-gop-nominee-video/#

  6. Stephen says:

    I’d grant you that Trumpers are far more likely to be violent than Conservatives, it is after all very difficult to throw a punch while clutching one’s skirt.

  7. Stosh says:

    Without a picture Voter ID and proof of citizenship, voter fraud will never be “proven” or considered widespread. Stop requiring ID to buy beer and the problem of teenage drinking will disappear….same head in the sand phenomena.

  8. Alphamail says:

    .
    NOW TRUMP VOTERS ARE FACILITATING VOTER FRAUD…?

    Moonbattery has reported for years of dead people voting, they reported on 100% of precincts voting only for Obama, they wrote of the probable involvement of Soros in election software, of Black Panther poll intimidation, of Democrat efforts (with some success) to eliminate voter ID, of the Lt. Governor of Nevada’s voter fraud participation during Obama’s election, of the withholding or delay of military ballots because the military votes predominantly Republican, of the scores of voter fraud and deception for Obama – with some convictions – of ACORN, of the destruction of absentee Republican ballots in the past by postal workers, not to mention the ongoing conspiracy by the media to hide voter fraud, to downplay it, and lately to blow Trump’s comments out of proportion with his comments on “rigging.”
    .
    As we all know, Trump is also responsible for herpes, the Zika virus, and the latest Bigfoot sightings…
    .

  9. Artfuldgr says:

    its obvious you did not see the video, and did not read the reports and the emails… convenient

    If you spent half the time you spend trying to knock out Trump in favor of Hillary (reality dont care what you THINK), you might help her lose… but instead….

    -=-=-=-=-=-=-
    Violence at Trump Rallies Traced to Clinton Campaign and the DNC Through Process Called Birddogging

    Shady Coordinated Communications Chain Between DNC, Clinton Campaign, Hillary Clinton’s Super PAC and Other Organizations Revealed

    Key Clinton Operative: “It doesn’t matter what the friggin’ legal and ethics people say, we need to win this motherf**ker”

    -=-=-=-=-=-

    The video discloses numerous examples of behind-the-scenes shady practices with consequences most Americans have seen on national television at Donald Trump campaign rallies across the country.

    [and now are being blamed on trump by hillary supporters, unions, news, torcer, and blount]

    What the media hasn’t reported is that the Clinton campaign and Democratic National Committee has been directing these activities with, at very best, a very thin veil of plausible deniability. This series of videos is the culmination of a year-long investigation by the undercover journalists at Project Veritas Action.

    Scott Foval is the National Field Director for a non-profit organization named Americans United for Change. In the video, he told an undercover investigator that they contract “directly with the DNC and the [Clinton] campaign both. I am contracted to him [Bob Creamer],” says Foval to an undercover reporter. “But I answer to the head of Special Events for the DNC and the head of special events and political for the campaign.”

    “The [Clinton] campaign pays DNC, DNC pays Democracy Partners, Democracy Partners pays the Foval Group, The Foval Group goes and executes the shit…” continued Foval. “Democracy Partners is the tip of the spear on that stuff.”

    Bob Creamer founded and is listed as a partner on the website of the Democratic consulting firm Democracy Partners. He is the husband of Jan Shakowsky, a congresswoman from Chicago. In 2005, he plead guilty to tax violations and bank fraud.

    “Wherever Trump and Pence are going to be, we have events and we have a whole team across the country that does that both consultants and people from the Democratic Party,” Creamer told an investigator. “And the Democratic Party apparatus and the people from the campaign, the Clinton campaign and my role with the campaign, is to manage all that.”

    more at the link above in prior post.
    -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

    Sad… i used to come here for such information, but now, its not here, and its being censored just like main stream press… at least so far…

  10. Artfuldgr says:

    College students told to ‘be a man’ is toxic…
    http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/29527/

  11. Torcer says:

    1.

    Artfuldgr

    its obvious you did not see the video, and did not read the reports and the emails… convenient
    http://moonbattery.com/?p=77242#comment-2956834219

    Realy and just how do you know that?
    So much for your credibility.

    2. How does that video absolve violence borne of Trumpers?

    3. You can dispense with the way long past tired talking point.

    The fact is Trump has done FAR more in destroying his own candidacy than anyone else could have done.

    Trump continues to Violate Campaign Rule No. 1
    June 9
    Unless you are Ronald Reagan running for re-election (“It’s morning again in America”), most competitive presidential campaigns are about a single objective: making the race a referendum on the opponent, particularly if he or she is a long-time politician who has high negatives.

    That’s how Barack Obama won a second term. He defined Mitt Romney and ran against that caricature he created (with Romney’s help, of course).

    But whether it’s because he really doesn’t understand campaigns, or more likely, that his obvious narcissism makes it impossible for him to see that any topic could be more interesting than himself, Donald Trump continues to make the 2016 election a referendum on his accomplishments, his past statements and his beliefs.

    That braggadocio may have worked in a crowded primary with weaker-than-anticipated opponents and a GOP grassroots that wanted red meat and a pure outsider with a flair for entertainment. But it is much less likely to work in a two-way sprint for the White House.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2016/06/09/trump-continues-to-violate-campaign-rule-no-1/

  12. Torcer says:

    Ah yes, the petty little insult wrapped in a falsehood.

    Have you had your Colonel Nicholson moment?

    What Have I Done? – The Bridge on the River Kwai (8/8) Movie CLIP (1957) HD
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRHVMi3LxZE

  13. Torcer says:

    How the GOP handed Hillary Clinton the White House
    In the latest treasure trove of Wikileaks email dumps, we now have confirmation of what we already knew; the Clinton campaign wanted to run against Donald. Actually, “wanting” isn’t accurate. To quote John Podesta:

    Right now I am petrified that Hillary is almost totally dependent on Republicans nominating Trump….she has huge endemic political weaknesses that she would be wise to rectify…..even a clown like Ted Cruz would be an even money bet to beat and this scares the hell of out me…..

    Hillary’s only chance was to run against Trump. Everybody else would beat her. The GOP knew this. The Democrats knew this. Us conservatives knew this. Ted Cruz, of course, knew this. That’s why the GOP prevented the rules vote at the convention, to officially cast Trump as the nominee. The GOP knew they had to deliver Trump to Hillary for her to win.

    Remember when Donald was getting free air time on cable news? Why did he get so much air time? It’s obvious now, they had to push Donald and get him nominated.

    Meanwhile, it seemed the online support for Trump was growing. Bots were taking over the comment section on big sites like Breitbart, run by Trump’s campaign manager. It became obvious they were bots, but to most people who couldn’t tell or even know what a bot is, the bots gave the perception that Trump had real support as if he sparked a real “anti-establishment, outsider” movement.

    The fake support would have been useless if Trump wasn’t winning primaries. The fake support needed real wins for validity. That’s where 12 million Democrat crossover votes came into play. Ted Cruz had an advantage in closed primary states, where only registered Republicans could vote. In open primary states, where voting is not restricted to registered Republicans, Trump won. These 12 million Democrat votes took Donald to Indiana, an open primary state. Trump won and Cruz dropped out.

    Up to this point, Trump dominated the media, was winning primaries, and had the illusion of support on social media. It was so surreal. This was the perfect illustration of the turtle on the fence post.

    The next step was to make Donald’s nomination official at the convention. After Cruz dropped, the conservative support continued. The last chance conservatives had was for the delegates to vote their conscience. Different states have different GOP rules on how delegates could vote. If the delegates were not bound, they would have dumped Donald and nominated Cruz, or at worst someone other than Trump. This would require a rejection of the rules package, which would require a straight up or down vote. There were enough signatures to force a roll call, but the RNC ignored it and moved on. Reince Priebus, Paul Ryan, and Paul Manafort defeated the grass roots to preserve power for the establishment. This also ensures the establishment Republicans are locked in for 2020. Any talk of Trump not being the establishment choice, albeit for sacrifice, is just factually false, as demonstrated at the convention.

    That was the moment the election was handed to Hillary Clinton. Since then, it’s been a steady decline for Donald up to September to the first debate. The media who gave him the coverage early on to boost him to the nomination are now hitting him non-stop while protecting Hillary. When Wikileaks dropped emails last week, the tape of Donald bragging about his dating habits dropped, dominating the news cycle. He looked like a complete fool in the second debate.

    The leak of Donald’s tape gave Republicans in districts trying to get elected a “last stop” to jump the crashing Trump train free and clear with no consequences. Early voting started in some states, and Hillary is destroying Donald in post-debate polling. Solid red states are now turning purple and blue. Talk of a final attempt to drop Trump and swap in Pence has passed, if it was even possible in the first place. Donors want their money back. More Trump sexual harassment victims are telling their stories which will continue to drive down Donald’s polling.

    The GOP’s mission of handing Donald over to Hillary is complete. Hillary is safely out of the woods. The GOP has no more use for Donald. The bots have stopped. The media has turned, and the crossover votes will cross back over to Hillary.

    Marxists, well played. Amazing job. You guys had absolutely nothing this year, and not only are you cruising to victory, you’re doing it by a landslide. You engineered this thing with the GOP Marxists from start to finish. Ryan, McCain, McConnell, McCarthy, and all the GOP elite will have their dream President.
    http://conservativehardliner.com/how-gop-handed-hillary-clinton-white-house

  14. TrojanMan says:

    “The fact is Trump has done FAR more in destroying his own candidacy than anyone else could have done.” Bingo. And might i add that was probably the plan all along.

  15. Stephen says:

    Courtesy of WikiLeaks, what Cruz supporting, real true Conservatives really think:

    “OUR TIME

    …one after another, smiling and looking into camera and saying, ‘It’s our time.’

    and the last woman says, ‘It’s our time. I’m with her.’

    fade to banner credit ‘Hillary 2016.'”

  16. TrojanMan says:

    Huh? Can you translate that please?

  17. TrojanMan says:

    Greg wont last much longer without marching in step with the rest of the Trumpstapo. Free thinkers will not be tolerated!

  18. Stephen says:

    It’s part of a Hillary Clinton ad written by Louise Mensch, a staunch Conservative, #neverTrump Republican and Cruz supporter.

    The really funny thing is she wrote the ad in February, long before Trump secured the nomination and while she was publically saying that Cruz was going to secure the nomination.

  19. Alphamail says:

    ..
    What kind of question is that – it doesn’t make sense? Wanna ask it so it’s understandable?
    .

  20. Torcer says:

    And what is the verfied source of that?

  21. TrojanMan says:

    Trying to read between the lines here. So you are saying that a lady that was a Cruz supporter is now supporting Clinton? And i will assume that you are also lumping all NeverTrumpers in this camp because of this one person?

    It really depends on how you define “NeverTrump”. I am not voting for Trump because he is not a conservative and believe him to be just as bad as Hitlery. It matters not to me who will be elected because you will get continued slide into tyranny with either one. This country has, probably, gone beyond the point of saving and is in need of a cleansing.

    Does that make me NeverTrump? I would prefer the title of NeverHillaryTrump or NeverProgressive

  22. Torcer says:

    That’s the problem with those that speak the truth and dwell in reality.

  23. Stephen says:

    The author is the verified source.

  24. Torcer says:

    What?
    Can you even provide an excerpt and link?

  25. Torcer says:

    So denial is the best you can offer?

  26. Stephen says:

    google

    Louise Mensch is big wig at Murdoch funded HeatStreet and a Conservative pundit much like Ben Shapiro. That you are unfamiliar with this story is your problem and not mine.

  27. Stephen says:

    You assume a bit too much.

    Louise Mensch was privately writing ads for Hillary Clinton in February, while publically claiming to support Cruz and while Cruz was still very much in the race.

    Not all NeverTrumpers fall into the same camp, generally they can be split into three camps:

    1. The pro-Hillary camp, Bill Kristol and Louise Mensch being examples;

    2. Useful Idiots, Conservatives who are carrying water for the pro-Hillary types, but probably aren’t pro-Hillary. Glenn Beck would be a good example, the Blaze has been indistinguishable from the NY Times of late;

    3. Not-useful enough to be a Useful Idiot, moonbattery, etc….

  28. Torcer says:

    What exactly is red herring argument supposed to prove anyway?

    One person allegedly did something and?

  29. Alphamail says:

    .
    Soros is a personal super fund for Hillary. Hillary supports the civil rights division of the DOJ which is chalk full of leftist appointed cop haters who support BLM, and she supports Eric Holder who is unquestionably bias to BLM. George Soros has funded and is funding BLM protestors to riot and attack people – BLM admitted it when they complained when they didn’t get their paychecks from Soros. Recently BLM protestors were caught attacking Trump supporters at one of his rallies. Trump is also responsible for herpes, the Zika virus, and the Bigfoot sightings, huh?
    .
    Your talking points and attacks on Donald Trump mimic HuffPo, MSNBC, and CNN – you obviously have zero interest in joining our last effort to defeat the evil of Progressivism.
    .

  30. Torcer says:

    I will tell you the same thing I tell leftists when they post something like that:
    Sorry to break it to you, Just because you assert something Doesn’t make it true.
    You have to back up your assertions with FACTS that YOU provide.
    Be sure to include plenty EXCERPTS and Links from authentic reference sites in your answer.
    [Don’t expect to get by with the wild goose chase scam where you ask others to find the facts to prove YOUR point]

    IF you cannot, your assertion is WORTHLESS.

  31. Torcer says:

    You haven’t even proven your point with Factual data.

    Do you really think that insulting people is going to result in voting the way you want?

  32. Stephen says:

    The point is there is a mountain of information coming out documenting the rot that is our political establishment, meanwhile useless idiots like you Moonbattery are too busy going after middle class and working white Americans too notice. Trump supporters are the only people in the country that arent screwing you over, but you’re too cucked to notice.

  33. Alphamail says:

    .
    VOTE FOR SURVIVAL.
    .
    When you withhold your vote in support of the only person who has a chance to defeat Hillary Clinton, then you diminish the total power of her only opposition. When you don’t believe in marshalling all your forces and opportunities possible to defeat an opposition, then you either don’t treasure your opportunity and what you have or you don’t understand the nature of the oppositional threat.
    .
    If you don’t believe even a flawed America is blessed by God, and you don’t understand the evil of the Communist Manifesto, the Frankfurt School, and the trail of blood, mayhem, totalitarianism and goals of the Marxists and Communists, then this or any other election to preserve our nation is moot to you, and frivolous.
    .
    This is not an either/or election regarding personalities – this election is not about one particular candidate or the other per se, it is about whether we remain a free nation with individual liberty, or we acquiesce to totalitarian forces that have worked for generations to usurp the nobility and morality of a nation led by the people. However wrong, evil is tenacious, and in this case it has prospered through secular Progressivism to tirelessly invade our institutions, corrupt our politics, infect our morality, and question our resolve.
    .
    The aforementioned Progressive goals have been written about, cherished by individuals who despise our way of life, and tenaciously worked on and put into practice by modern day political antagonists to the point they are now at their fulcrum point where a victory over our heritage and way of life, a victory over religion, and a victory over our Constitution and individual liberty – yielding to secular central government totalitarian rule – is entirely possible.
    .
    If we don’t end our petty personality politics and debatable conjecture and focus on the bigger picture, and reunite in the name of God in what may be our last chance to defeat the ultimate monster – the final long-concerted Progressive effort to destroy our nation – then we don’t deserve a nation.
    .
    United we stand.
    .

  34. Torcer says:

    What?

    Where did you get that paragraph of meandering text that has nothing to do with what I said?

    Can you actually write something that directly responds to what I wrote?

  35. TrojanMan says:

    “idiots like you Moonbattery are too busy going after middle class and working white Americans too notice. ” WTF?!?! HAHAHAHAHAHA that was super funny.

  36. TrojanMan says:

    “Do you really think that insulting people is going to result in voting the way you want?”

    Its the Trumpian way.

  37. Torcer says:

    Stephen

    The point is there is a mountain of information coming out documenting the rot that is our political establishment, meanwhile useless idiots like you Moonbattery are too busy going after middle class and working white Americans too notice. Trump supporters are the only people in the country that arent screwing you over, but you’re too cucked to notice.
    http://moonbattery.com/?p=77242#comment-2957197379

    And yet you can’t even back up the points you are trying to make.

    Can you actually try to debate the issues like and adult without the childish invective?

  38. TrojanMan says:

    You seem to be under the delusion that this country can be saved at the ballot box and by one man. Neither can save the republic at this point. Its time to arm up and prepare for the upcoming war.

  39. Torcer says:

    One does get the distinct impression that a great deal of what we’re seeing here has just been copied from somewhere else.

    The biggest indicator is the decided lack of specificity in said comments.

    They are primarily generalised attacks devoid of the details of that which they are responding to.

  40. Stephen says:

    And which issue would that be? Whether supporters are violent, or whether Conservatives are crossdressers?

  41. Torcer says:

    1. Whether Trump supporters are violent.
    2. Has it occurred to you that there are FEMALE Conservatives?
    3. Has it also occurred to that some men wear kilts?

  42. Alphamail says:

    .
    It’s not meandering – it simply discusses the correlation (unified effort) by Clinton and Soros that support actual planned violence, that you falsely and recklessly want to pin on Trump supporters.
    .
    Then I tossed in a short truth about how you are a virtual mouthpiece for the ultra-liberal left.
    .

  43. TrojanMan says:

    “When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”

  44. Torcer says:

    And that’s the perfect way to drive support AWAY from the man.

    Which seems to be the intention.

  45. TrojanMan says:

    Some of these Trumpians HAVE to be Hillary plants to do just that. Drive those that might be on the fence away from Herr Trump. If not then they are doing Hitlery a great service.

  46. Torcer says:

    Alphamail It’s not meandering – it simply discusses the correlation (unified effort) by Clinton and Soros that support actual planned violence, that you falsely and recklessly want to pin on Trump supporters.

    Please cite where I stated that in the form of an excerpt.

  47. Torcer says:

    Note the incessant use of projection.

    Example:

    Alphamail Then I tossed in a short truth about how you are a virtual mouthpiece for the ultra-liberal left.

  48. TrojanMan says:

    I am going after the white working middle class of which i am a member because i am calling Trump out for the progressive he is? LOL that is just comical. Weapons grade stupidity.

  49. TrojanMan says:

    Yeah that seems to be a SOP. Dont like Trump well then you are just a Stalinist…

  50. Stephen says:

    1. No Trump supporters are not violent. Trump has had literally millions attend his conferences, and incidences of violence initiated by Trump supporters are absolutely negligible. If we keep in mind that there has been an orchestrated attempt by Democrat operatives to incite violence, then it’s apparent that restraint by Trump supporters has been remarkable.

    2. Obviously some conservatives are female, and the vast majority are pussies;

    3. Kilts are men’s clothing.

  51. Alphamail says:

    .
    Airborne and ex-cop and well armed. You people who don’t believe God blesses America and who aren’t willing to fight (by voting) for that blessing are the delusional ones. You people romanticize and dream of combat in your sleep and it is sick – you would rather see carnage and destruction on our nation’s streets and neighborhoods than cast a damn vote! What we are up against is not about one candidate, it is about revering our Constitution and preserving our nation, not laying down quietly waiting for our women and children to spill their blood. Naysayers and fatalists are not the soul of America.
    .

  52. Alphamail says:

    .
    I am a Constitutionalist so I have no problem at all with that quote. But when men misconstrue it and don’t use it only as a last resort then they devalue it’s very words.
    .
    To say your vote wouldn’t count is pure bloated conjecture (you can’t prove your vote won’t count so you have an obligation to vote if you love your country) – if you don’t even vote then it’s not the last resort and your personal feelings negate the Constitution. I haven’t said I wouldn’t take armed revolt against the government but I want to insure I have taken every righteous step before it goes that far.
    .

  53. TrojanMan says:

    “Airborne and ex-cop and well armed.” Thanks for your service and good for you. This does not make your vote or voice worth more than mine.

    “God blesses America and who aren’t willing to fight (by voting) for that blessing” O but i am willing to fight for it. I am voting just not for Trump or Clinton. So i have to vote for who YOU deem worthy or i am unAmerican?

    “You people romanticize and dream of combat in your sleep and it is sick” I made no such claim nor do i dream of such. I do not wish for bloodshed but that does not mean that it can be avoided.

    “you would rather see carnage and destruction on our nation’s streets and neighborhoods than cast a damn vote!” Again you are generalizing and assuming things you know nothing about. Again I am casting a vote just not for your boy or Clinton. I do not want to see carnage and destruction but but that does not mean that it can be avoided.

    “What we are up against is not about one candidate” Correct

    “it is about revering our Constitution and preserving our nation, not laying down quietly waiting for our women and children to spill their blood.” Correct, revolting is not laying down quietly now is it? Our founders made it quite clear that it is our right, our DUTY to throw off tyrannical governments.

    I want a return to our constitutional republic. I want our constitution interpreted as our founders intended, strictly. THIS WILL NOT HAPPEN WITH A TRUMP/CLINTON PRESIDENCY! Anything less is not worthy of my vote.

    You do a great job of assumptions and generalizations.

    “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.” Thomas Jefferson

  54. Alphamail says:

    .
    Quote: “Where did you get that paragraph of meandering text…”

  55. TrojanMan says:

    “To say your vote wouldn’t count is pure bloated conjecture” I never made such claim. I am voting just not for Trump/Clinton.

    I am not advocating revolt/secession as the first resort and never stated as such. At this point it seems to me inevitable if we wish to remain free. I am all for trying Article V but i think that is unlikely to succeed. If Article V fails then secession is the next logical step. If that fails then cut the head off the beast.

    If you want clarifications i suggest asking questions instead of making assumptions and generalizations.

  56. Alphamail says:

    .
    Denial….? Read your ill-written confusing question Torcer…!
    .
    Torcer: “Where there any stories of Trumpers being violent?”
    .
    My “denial” or your incoherency?
    .

  57. Torcer says:

    Answer the question instead denying the point.

  58. Torcer says:

    1. Then explain the reports of Trumpers being violent?
    2 & 3 Yes, that’s my point.

  59. TrojanMan says:

    HI Grumpy

  60. Alphamail says:

    .
    When you withhold your vote in support of the ONLY person who has a chance to defeat Hillary Clinton and instead vote for a non-contender, then you diminish the total power of her only opposition. When you don’t marshal all your forces and opportunities possible to defeat an opponent, then you either don’t treasure your opportunity and what you have, or you don’t understand the nature of the oppositional threat.
    .
    I contend it is pure conjecture to state that the only candidate who has a chance to beat Hillary (that would be Trump) CANNOT beat Hillary. To vote for a candidate who cannot beat her is basically a non-vote because it does not ADD to the total power of her opposition.
    .
    In this case, the nature of the threat is so great, that not to consolidate all our power is surrender.
    .

  61. Torcer says:

    What part of that sentence are you having trouble understanding?

  62. TrojanMan says:

    I voted for a person who could have defeated Hillary Clinton, but democrats, fanatics, and the media gave us the progressive Trump. Literally the only person who could lose to Clinton which was the idea.

    The oppositional threat was the progressive Trump and we lost.

    You have faith that Trump is superior to Clinton. I do not hold such faith, so why would i vote for someone i have deemed just as dangerous as Clinton?

    I shall vote for whom best aligns with my values and convictions. Neither one fits with my values and convictions. I am no longer willing to vote for lesser of evils . It is time to make a stand against evil period. You can go back through this website and you will never find where i advocated for ANYONE to not vote Trump. If you feel you must vote Trump then by all means do so.

    Clinton/Trump is just a symptom of the underlying terminal illness.

    Futhermore my state will be going to Trump anyway so my vote literally does not matter. Even if i lived in a swing state i would not be voting for Trump.

    Go vote Trump and be well.

  63. Stephen says:

    1. There’s video in this thread that explains it quite well;

    2. I addressed it quite adequately here:

    http://moonbattery.com/?p=70029#comment-2574950418

    3. The lying press sometimes lies.

  64. Torcer says:

    Don’t expect to use the wild goose chase scam – explain your point or it’s worthless.

  65. Alphamail says:

    .
    Read your question AGAIN Torcer – IT DOESN’T MAKE SENSE…! Read this slowly and tell me if it’s a typo or if you are really that bad a writer…? Here, I’ll reprint again what you asked (in capital letters):
    .
    “WHERE THERE ANY STORIES OF TRUMPERS BEING VIOLENT?”
    .
    Did you mean “Were there any stories….?” or, “Where were there stories…?” or, “Where are there…..?”
    .
    Please wake up and stop making accusations at me instead of verifying the coherency of your original written question.
    .
    .

  66. Torcer says:

    So you using one typo to avoid answering that Question?
    Corrected:
    Where there any stories of Trumpers being violent?

    Now, answer the Question please.

  67. Torcer says:

    We tried to inform you that Donald advocates violence and intimidation tactics:

    Donald Trump on a protester: ‘I’d like to punch him in the face’ http://wapo.st/1TwzYjY?

    Donald Trump on Rally Protester: ‘I’d like to punch him in the face’ https://youtu.be/1Czq0iuEghU via @YouTube

    Donald Trump Intimidates Megadonors Into Shutting Up http://www.dailywire.com/news/3656/donald-trump-intimidates-megadonors-shutting-hank-berrien

    Mega-donors shy away from fight with Trump http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/donald-trump-megadonors-219690

  68. TrojanMan says:

    Also FYI that is not the Constitution but the DoI.

  69. Stephen says:

    Watch the video moron. I can’t watch it for you.

  70. Torcer says:

    Your abject inability to answer the question reflects on your failings, not mine.

  71. Torcer says:

    Still waiting for an answer…

    BTW, If you want to dodge questions via the childish nitpicking grammar game we can always look through YOUR postings to see how your exacting standards measure up..

  72. Stephen says:

    Reports of Trump supporter violence are leftwing agitprop. Would you like a source for that?

  73. Alphamail says:

    .
    That is a non-sentence Mr. Erudite – and you defend your incomplete incomprehensible sentence structure. Now that you have become BMOC here at Moonbattery your arrogance and ego won’t let you admit a simple error.
    .

  74. Alphamail says:

    .
    I voted for Ted Cruz but I don’t believe for a second that Trump was nominated by democrats, fanatics, and the media. If you rule out democrats and the media then you are calling anyone – including Constitutional conservatives – fanatics, and that is outright dishonest and self-serving. I am not a fanatic and like many others who are now obligated to vote for a man we don’t particularly relish, we are doing so not because we like Trump any better than Hillary, but because when we compare the parties and philosophies they represent, we see one who represents furthering liberty and one furthering totalitarianism. If you haven’t been to a Trump rally, or talked in depth to a good number of Trump supporters then you will believe the ludicrous notion that they are fanatics or democrats-at-heart, when in actuality they are voting Trump simply because it is suicide not to oust Clinton and Progressivism..
    .

  75. Torcer says:

    You mean where mentioned that twice in that I corrected the original post and called it out with the word ‘edit’ and posted this:

    Corrected:
    Where there any stories of Trumpers being violent?

    AGAIN: Still waiting for an answer…

    BTW, If you want to dodge questions via the childish nitpicking grammar game we can always look through YOUR postings to see how your exacting standards measure up..

  76. Torcer says:

    Is that the best you can offer – ad hominem attacks on sources?

    Can you actually answer the question, or are you going to continue using the leftist tactic of dodging them?

    We tried to inform you that Donald advocates violence and intimidation tactics:

    Donald Trump on a protester: ‘I’d like to punch him in the face’ http://wapo.st/1TwzYjY?

    Donald Trump on Rally Protester: ‘I’d like to punch him in the face’ https://youtu.be/1Czq0iuEghU via @YouTube

    Donald Trump Intimidates Megadonors Into Shutting Up http://www.dailywire.com/news/3656/donald-trump-intimidates-megadonors-shutting-hank-berrien

    Mega-donors shy away from fight with Trump http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/donald-trump-megadonors-219690

  77. Stephen says:

    Ad hominem attack on sources? You really are a moron.

    The question was “explain the reports of Trumpers being violent?”

    The question has been answered–the reports are left wing agitprop.

    That’s not an ad hom attack on sources, that’s a statement of fact. If you weren’t a moron you’d understand the difference.

  78. Alphamail says:

    .
    The fact you now assign YOUR non-understandable non-question to ME – as playing a childish nitpicking grammar game – is precisely the idiocy and non-logic you spew daily to bash every single breath Trump takes. .

  79. Torcer says:

    N.Y. Gov. Cuomo tells fellow Democrats Trump is a gift from God — here’s why
    New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo told fellow Democrats that Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump is God’s gift to them since his “imploding” campaign gives Democrats a shot at taking over the House of Representatives, the New York Daily News reported.

    Cuomo — speaking at a House Democrats fundraiser that also featured House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) — said Trump’s behavior on the campaign trail has done damage to other Republican candidates, the paper said.

    “The good Lord gave us a moment with this Donald Trump,” Cuomo said at the Monday event in Albany. “He really, really did.”
    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/10/18/n-y-gov-cuomo-tells-fellow-democrats-trump-is-a-gift-from-god-heres-why/

  80. Torcer says:

    Still waiting for an answer…

    Were there any stories of Trumpers being violent?

    How is the spewing of childish invective and falsehoods supposed to spur someone on to support YOUR candidate?

    Given that he’s down in the polls and is going to lose anyway, why not vote on principle and give it a go with the 3rd party choices?

    A Stupid-Simple Way Out Of Trump Vs. Hillary 2016
    I am writing you to present a stupid-simple way out of a Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton presidency. The game plan is simple.

    1. If you reside in Utah, vote Evan McMullin (he is currently polling near dead even).

    2. If you reside in New Mexico, vote for Gary Johnson.

    3. If you are in the following swing states, vote for the highest-polling third-party candidate the week of the election: Iowa, Arizona, Florida, Ohio, North Carolina, Georgia, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, New Hampshire, and Maine.

    4. If Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, Ohio, and Pennsylvania are won by third-party voters (or any other number of permutations and combinations) combined with No. 1 and No. 2 above, then neither Hillary nor Trump can get the 270 Electoral College votes needed to win the election.

    5. So then Congress votes on the election and can choose from those third-party state winners, which in this case would most likely be McMullin and Johnson. This is how John Quincy Adams was elected president in 1824 despite not winning the majority vote or having the most Electoral College votes.
    http://cdn.thefederalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/image.png
    http://thefederalist.com/2016/10/14/stupid-simple-way-trump-vs-hillary-2016/#disqus_thread

  81. Torcer says:

    No, there were reports of Trump supporters initiating violence – or encouraging it.

    How is the spewing of childish invective and falsehoods supposed to spur someone on to support YOUR candidate?

    Given that he’s down in the polls and is going to lose anyway, why not vote on principle and give it a go with the 3rd party choices?

    A Stupid-Simple Way Out Of Trump Vs. Hillary 2016
    I am writing you to present a stupid-simple way out of a Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton presidency. The game plan is simple.

    1. If you reside in Utah, vote Evan McMullin (he is currently polling near dead even).

    2. If you reside in New Mexico, vote for Gary Johnson.

    3. If you are in the following swing states, vote for the highest-polling third-party candidate the week of the election: Iowa, Arizona, Florida, Ohio, North Carolina, Georgia, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, New Hampshire, and Maine.

    4. If Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, Ohio, and Pennsylvania are won by third-party voters (or any other number of permutations and combinations) combined with No. 1 and No. 2 above, then neither Hillary nor Trump can get the 270 Electoral College votes needed to win the election.

    5. So then Congress votes on the election and can choose from those third-party state winners, which in this case would most likely be McMullin and Johnson. This is how John Quincy Adams was elected president in 1824 despite not winning the majority vote or having the most Electoral College votes.
    http://cdn.thefederalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/image.png
    http://thefederalist.com/2016/10/14/stupid-simple-way-trump-vs-hillary-2016/#disqus_thread

  82. Alphamail says:

    .
    You’ve just shown yourself as capable of blaming someone else for your own simple error – an error I deem basically benign unless the person who hit the wrong computer key has such a massive ego that he can’t simply say that and move on. Your character flaws have shown up before we get through a single day and I feel sorry for you. If you want any more conversation with me you’ll have to provide excepts and links to your good character.
    .

  83. Stephen says:

    This is how I know you’re a moron:

    “there were reports of Trump supporters initiating violence – or encouraging it.”

    Of course there are reports, Moron. There have been plenty of reports. The question was not whether there have been reports, but rather ‘how do we explain the reports?’

    “How is the spewing of childish invective and falsehoods supposed to spur someone on to support YOUR candidate?”

    I couldnt care less how you vote. Im just calling out a useless idiot for being a useless idiot.

  84. TrojanMan says:

    You seem to have failed to comprehend what i said “Democrats, fanatics, and the media gave us Trump”. Meaning those that voted for him and pushed him in the primaries were democrats, fanatics, and the media. Cruz was the clear constitutional conservative choice but the above nominated Trump. Therefore constitutional conservatives did not give us Trump. I fail to see how those that voted for Trump in the primaries can call him or themselves constitutional conservatives. He is quite clearly not. You feel you have no other choice and that is a tough call, one that we have both made, in different directions.

    “obligated to vote for a man” You are not obligated to vote for anyone.

    “we see one who represents furthering liberty and one furthering totalitarianism.” Both the major parties favor totalitarianism, that is evident in the last 3-6 choices we have had to vote for president.

    “they are voting Trump simply because it is suicide not to oust Clinton and Progressivism..” By voting for Trump you are voting for a progressive. But as i said before, vote for whom you feel you must. We must not let the politics of fear motivate us, but alas quite a many have fallen into that trap.

  85. Artfuldgr says:

    i rarely ever say anything to you so dont be a nut job…

    you asked:
    Edit: Where there any stories of Trumpers being violent?

    and then what i put up were the tons of stories that the trumpers being violent were paid for by the opposition.

    now, if they are paid for by the opposition, and such illegal games, and you know it, your either a liar, dissimulating, or didnt read it.

    now, which of those are the nicest? that you missed it.
    i should have just called you a liar… you would have liked that better??? so please… give me a break here… you cont have to come into the bar swinging windmills trying to strike eveyrone because you think by influencing my 1/300,000,000 vote would change that who you wanted lost, who you dont want is up, and thats the final thing regardless of anything you do, whine about, yell, attack, etc… losing is losing… there is no reprieve…

  86. Artfuldgr says:

    Except that you dont know he cant beat her… you BELIEVE which is a far cry from knowing… its the same place that the christians, and islamics are in knowing there is a god… ie. they believe, they do not know.

    the problem here is what if your belief is wrong?

    to quote:
    To vote for a candidate who cannot beat her is basically a non-vote because it does not ADD to the total power of her opposition

    that might be so if the game is fixed, you fixed it, and you know it… not if the game is fixed, who knows who fixed it, and we dont know it…

    however… in the case of can not beat her, a vote is wasted.- so it doesnt hurt if you vote for TRUMP.

    but if you wrong, and he could beat her, your position means that your helping your own prediction come true!!!

    the logica place to be is to vote expecting it doesnt count, and if it does, have it in a place to win… the illogical place to be is to believe you know the outcome of the election is a foregone conclusion, dont vote, convince others, and by doing so, force the prophecy to truth…

  87. Artfuldgr says:

    by the way, your position alpha male is the same as the positoin of the researcher who has a 100% prediction rate… he points out that all the bs that the never trumpers wail about does not at all influence a race… what influences the race is whether the party that is in office is seen as earning another chance to be in office… its a comparative thing, not an absolute thing as the NT people want…

    They are delusional to think that they can change the outcome of this race in any way other than causing trump to lose to hillary…

    not one person they put up as an alternate has a chance. in fact, any of the people they mention has about as much chance as a paper mache dog chasing a steel cat through hell…

  88. Artfuldgr says:

    Meaning those that voted for him and pushed him in the primaries were
    democrats, fanatics, and the media. Cruz was the clear constitutional
    conservative choice but the above nominated Trump.

    except that constitutional conservatives are a minor branch of the secondary party… the party elitists… who are acting as party elitists and ignoring the people they are supposed to represent… which is why, they are losing losing losing… or rather, lost lost lost… and sinc ehtye lost, they are bieng childish in the position of “if i cant ahve waht i want, i will work against you to deny you what you want”

    double down on losing…

  89. TrojanMan says:

    I am not denying you what you want. Go Vote Trump just do not expect me to vote for the guy.

    If the constitutionalist are a minority branch then the republic stands no chance of surviving and indeed this is what is happening.

  90. 762x51 says:

    Unless one happens to be a professional gunfighter.

    Then, WAAAAAAYYYY different rules apply.

  91. Alphamail says:

    .
    Several times I wrote “to vote for the ONLY candidate who has a chance to beat her..”
    .
    And, to believe is to have faith – would you eliminate faith?
    .
    Further, who are you to do God’s work for Him in forcing prophecy to truth – what arrogance – you assume God wants prophecy fulfilled NOW. What if He wants to oust the candidate who sounds like Satan and slaughters small babies and sells their body parts – and defeat her so there’s more time to save more Christians?
    .
    Pure gibberish to justify you being right – it’s blasphemy – and I NEVER said Trump WOULD beat her- God help me if I’m as arrogant as you.
    .

  92. 762x51 says:

    “democrats, fanatics, and the media gave us the progressive Trump. Literally the only person who could lose to Clinton which was the idea.”

    A trick that has been played on these same fools three quadrennial election cycles in a row. Shallow learning cure, eh?

  93. Alphamail says:

    .
    I don’t know where you’re coming from – votes win elections and Trump has the only CHANCE of having enough to oust Hillary. And, if you believe Trump and Hillary are equal antagonists then you don’t know the difference between the two and are seriously low-information. Trump has never been a politician and Hillary and the Progressives are culminating their 75 year-old planned dream of intentionally destroying America, eliminating liberty, and turning it into a large central government ruled by Marxists. With Trump you will keep your freedom – with Hillary you will eventually be turned into a slave with no religion, no gun, no opinion, and no freedom. Get a clue.
    .

  94. Torcer says:

    Still waiting for an answer…

    Were there any stories of Trumpers being violent?

    How is the spewing of childish invective and falsehoods supposed to spur someone on to support YOUR candidate?

    Given that he’s down in the polls and is going to lose anyway, why not vote on principle and give it a go with the 3rd party choices?

    A Stupid-Simple Way Out Of Trump Vs. Hillary 2016
    I am writing you to present a stupid-simple way out of a Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton presidency. The game plan is simple.

    1. If you reside in Utah, vote Evan McMullin (he is currently polling near dead even).

    2. If you reside in New Mexico, vote for Gary Johnson.

    3. If you are in the following swing states, vote for the highest-polling third-party candidate the week of the election: Iowa, Arizona, Florida, Ohio, North Carolina, Georgia, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, New Hampshire, and Maine.

    4. If Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, Ohio, and Pennsylvania are won by third-party voters (or any other number of permutations and combinations) combined with No. 1 and No. 2 above, then neither Hillary nor Trump can get the 270 Electoral College votes needed to win the election.

    5. So then Congress votes on the election and can choose from those third-party state winners, which in this case would most likely be McMullin and Johnson. This is how John Quincy Adams was elected president in 1824 despite not winning the majority vote or having the most Electoral College votes.
    http://cdn.thefederalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/image.png
    http://thefederalist.com/2016/10/14/stupid-simple-way-trump-vs-hillary-2016/#disqus_thread

  95. Torcer says:

    1. You reliance on childish invective and circular logic reflects badly on your inability to argue like an adult.

    2 Answer the question please:

    How is the spewing of childish invective and falsehoods supposed to spur someone on to support YOUR candidate?

    Given that he’s down in the polls and is going to lose anyway, why not vote on principle and give it a go with the 3rd party choices?

    A Stupid-Simple Way Out Of Trump Vs. Hillary 2016
    I am writing you to present a stupid-simple way out of a Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton presidency. The game plan is simple.

    1. If you reside in Utah, vote Evan McMullin (he is currently polling near dead even).

    2. If you reside in New Mexico, vote for Gary Johnson.

    3. If you are in the following swing states, vote for the highest-polling third-party candidate the week of the election: Iowa, Arizona, Florida, Ohio, North Carolina, Georgia, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, New Hampshire, and Maine.

    4. If Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, Ohio, and Pennsylvania are won by third-party voters (or any other number of permutations and combinations) combined with No. 1 and No. 2 above, then neither Hillary nor Trump can get the 270 Electoral College votes needed to win the election.

    5. So then Congress votes on the election and can choose from those third-party state winners, which in this case would most likely be McMullin and Johnson. This is how John Quincy Adams was elected president in 1824 despite not winning the majority vote or having the most Electoral College votes.
    http://cdn.thefederalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/image.png
    http://thefederalist.com/2016/10/14/stupid-simple-way-trump-vs-hillary-2016/#disqus_thread

  96. Torcer says:

    Again: Answer the question or be shown that YOU are that which you accuse.

    1.

    Artfuldgr

    its obvious you did not see the video, and did not read the reports and the emails… convenient
    http://moonbattery.com/?p=77242#comment-2956834219

    Really and just how do you know that?
    So much for your credibility.

    2. How does that video absolve violence borne of Trumpers?

    3. You can dispense with the way long past tired talking point.

    The fact is Trump has done FAR more in destroying his own candidacy than anyone else could have done.

    Trump continues to Violate Campaign Rule No. 1
    June 9
    Unless you are Ronald Reagan running for re-election (“It’s morning again in America”), most competitive presidential campaigns are about a single objective: making the race a referendum on the opponent, particularly if he or she is a long-time politician who has high negatives.

    That’s how Barack Obama won a second term. He defined Mitt Romney and ran against that caricature he created (with Romney’s help, of course).

    But whether it’s because he really doesn’t understand campaigns, or more likely, that his obvious narcissism makes it impossible for him to see that any topic could be more interesting than himself, Donald Trump continues to make the 2016 election a referendum on his accomplishments, his past statements and his beliefs.

    That braggadocio may have worked in a crowded primary with weaker-than-anticipated opponents and a GOP grassroots that wanted red meat and a pure outsider with a flair for entertainment. But it is much less likely to work in a two-way sprint for the White House.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2016/06/09/trump-continues-to-violate-campaign-rule-no-1/

  97. Torcer says:

    I’m wondering why we ended up with a whole new crop of Trumpers all of a sudden…

  98. Alphamail says:

    .
    You call me childish so the conversation – if there even was one – is over. You have shown that you are unethical and basically dishonest when you make a typo that makes a sentence an unreadable non-sentence and I ask you to explain it so I can understand what you are asking – with no malice intended – and you say I use childish invective and falsehoods for simply pointing out a typo for clarity.
    .
    You convey yourself as brilliant but it’s arrogance in disguise and people have caught on that you’re a phony and a shill for Hillary – where nearly all your posts would be greeted by cheers at HuffPo – if you’re not writing some of their posts under a different name.
    .
    Your are not the king of this website, even though you act like it – everyone here has equal input and everyone here deserves their opinion to be accepted with at least some decorum. I have realized you are a low-information commenter who is only posting and reposting articles from other people or websites, with the uncanny inability to write extemporaneously without a plethora of typos and blather. A king with no clothes.
    .
    As far as “answer the question,” answer them yourself – that’s your dictate nearly every time you post, basically because you’re too lazy to do it yourself.
    .

  99. Torcer says:

    Wow! are you STILL trying to avoid answer that question over a mere typo?

    And I note that in your ‘parting shot’ you hurl some falsehoods since you won’t be able to back them up.

    Once again you need to answer this question:

    How is the spewing of childish invective and falsehoods supposed to spur someone on to support YOUR candidate?

  100. 762x51 says:

    Most likely different names, same swine, same stench.

  101. Alphamail says:

    ,
    Good try Hillary supporter – you change the discourse even worse than she does – you are the voice of leftist Progressivism – your posts match HuffPo verbatim, no questions asked. You now see your left-wing propaganda coming back to bite you in the ass like an electric snake.
    .
    Also, your lack of integrity and honesty won’t let you admit in a simple humble voice that you are still criticizing me for asking you to explain your typo – I make typos, we all make typos, and typos are a result of all our imperfections, but you still blame me for asking for clarity – and you do it with bitterness and malice. And you bend the truth like a pretzel by not admitting that you trashed me BEFORE you corrected it – another display of your unethical character. You are why I’m voting for Trump – to get rid of the ugliness, the lying arrogant nature of people who are ungrateful wretches, and those who despise their lesser fellow man – just like you and Hillary.
    .
    The very existence of America is at stake and while the entire house is burning down, you are ignoring it and are still in the kitchen rotating the shelf paper, while muttering to yourself and ordering people to produce excerpts and links.
    .

  102. Torcer says:

    Alphamail
    ,
    Good try Hillary supporter
    http://moonbattery.com/?p=77242#comment-2959710382

    Please post an excerpt where I have supported her.

    And once again please answer this question:

    How is the spewing of childish invective and falsehoods supposed to spur someone on to support YOUR candidate?

    Given that he’s down in the polls and is going to lose anyway, why not vote on principle and give it a go with the 3rd party choices?

    A Stupid-Simple Way Out Of Trump Vs. Hillary 2016
    I am writing you to present a stupid-simple way out of a Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton presidency. The game plan is simple.

    1. If you reside in Utah, vote Evan McMullin (he is currently polling near dead even).

    2. If you reside in New Mexico, vote for Gary Johnson.

    3. If you are in the following swing states, vote for the highest-polling third-party candidate the week of the election: Iowa, Arizona, Florida, Ohio, North Carolina, Georgia, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, New Hampshire, and Maine.

    4. If Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, Ohio, and Pennsylvania are won by third-party voters (or any other number of permutations and combinations) combined with No. 1 and No. 2 above, then neither Hillary nor Trump can get the 270 Electoral College votes needed to win the election.

    5. So then Congress votes on the election and can choose from those third-party state winners, which in this case would most likely be McMullin and Johnson. This is how John Quincy Adams was elected president in 1824 despite not winning the majority vote or having the most Electoral College votes.
    http://cdn.thefederalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/image.png
    http://thefederalist.com/2016/10/14/stupid-simple-way-trump-vs-hillary-2016/#disqus_thread

  103. Torcer says:

    One would think that now that their hero is going down to defeat and they are partially responsible for what happens to the nation that they would scurry off and hide somewhere.

  104. 762x51 says:

    Yes, but that would require them to take responsibility for their actions and that is not a trait that Progressives possess. They didn’t responsibility for McCain or Romney, why would they for tRump?

    I’ve still never gotten an explanation from one of them as to why, if tRump thought he could actually beat Hilary, he didn’t run against her as a Democrat. He could at least have made the valid argument that he has supported their causes all these decades and she has never gotten the results claimed. After all, Sanders almost beat her.

  105. Torcer says:

    It is still my contention that he wasn’t supposed to win in the first place.

    Consider that at one point a few weeks ago he was on a winning streak – the polling shows that:
    Look at the time period around the first debate:
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvPMl73UsAA3JDB.jpg

    Then he changed his tactics and started losing.

  106. 762x51 says:

    Probably wasn’t but things are never that simple with Progressives. The fools who support him have as a central theme the destruction of the GOP, as if it was not already 80% destroyed by the establishment Progressives running it, BEFORE tRump got in.

    At this point, the “race” what is left of it is as much about destroying the down ballot R candidates which both tRump and Clinton are doing. I’m not big on conspiracies but this smells like one to me. Should that ever come to light, say in the form of hacked email or a Project Veritas video or something, “the Donald” will end up like Chris Stevens.

  107. Torcer says:

    Part of my point on the line of bull from the trumpers with regard to those who dared to oppose him is how is our opposition to him having any effect on the down-ballot races?

    IF the reason he is losing is due to our daring to mention his many flaws then why should their be any trouble with the other races.

    But if the true cause of the problem is trump himself, then that easily explains the problem with the other contests.


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